[WRC] Rally Sweden 2024

[Eli]

Ooo, who here said Toyota aren’t helping Evans win the title?

[CeskyOndra]

Ooo, who here said Toyota aren’t helping Evans win the title?

;D neuville will also move. this is just another big lost for Tanak

[Tauri_J]

We knew it was coming. Shame though, was fun while it lasted

[GigiGalliNo1]

I predicted something with Lappi... still might happen if ya'll said it about Taka! :D

[CeskyOndra]

I predicted something with Lappi... still might happen if ya'll said it about Taka! :D

I hope we have some different winner than Ogi, Eva, Rov, Tan or Neu this year :D so please EP!

[EstWRC]

At the moment Fourmaux would be third in overall points table :D

[CeskyOndra]

At the moment Fourmaux would be third in overall points table :D

and tanak 4th or 5th on the road in Safari, depending on his Sunday points

[CeskyOndra]

but as we know, it doesnt matter where you start, objective is just to finish

[GigiGalliNo1]

Or Fourmaux the winner! :D

[Kras]

Whats with casters being so eager to convince us that everyone is gutted about drivers ahead of them crashing. Do they think were stupid?

[Rallyper]

No one wanted this (Taka) but it was predictable...

[EstWRC]

and tanak 4th or 5th on the road in Safari, depending on his Sunday points

1 . Neuville 40
2. Evans 34
3. Fourmaux 26
4. Ogier 24
5. Lappi 18
6. Tänak 15

I took the rally2 cars out in front of Neuville cause he will catch them anyway so I gave him 4th place points

Tänak needs those max points miserably IF, I repeat IF it stays like this

He needs them anyway whatever it happens

[Tauri_J]

Ott needs to go flatout tomorrow to earn even something

[CeskyOndra]

1 . Neuville 40
2. Evans 34
3. Fourmaux 26
4. Ogier 24
5. Lappi 18
6. Tänak 15

I took the rally2 cars out in front of Neuville cause he will catch them anyway so I gave him 4th place points

Tänak needs those max points miserably IF, I repeat IF it stays like this

He needs them anyway whatever it happens

If tanak will take 12 points tomorrow and Neuville just 5, it wouldn't be that bad for Ott. Neuville and Evans aren't that quick at the moment

[CeskyOndra]

But Im always thinkink like "just 25 points difference, that is one event" and then the points never come back.

[EstWRC]

But Im always thinkink like "just 25 points difference, that is one event" and then the points never come back.

Well I can remind you that in the beginning of 2022 Tänak had only 5 points after two events, Neuville had 32 but at the end of the season still Tänak managed to finish second overall and 16 points ahead of Neuville.

[Rallyper]

Guys, let´s take this rally to finish first. Then we talk points or starting order in Safari or whatever.

This is Rally Sweden still going on.

[Kras]

Guys, let´s take this rally to finish first. Then we talk points or starting order in Safari or whatever.

This is Rally Sweden still going on.

I'm running my simulation where Neville retires on Safari and Evans gets suspension damage in Latvia

[Tom206wrc]

Gutted for Takamoto !!! It would have been interesting to have the first asian driver winning Rally Sweden :(

Amazed by Adrien Fourmeaux currently on the podium :eek:

[EstWRC]

I’m not surprised people aren’t posting here much anymore ….

FFS

[deephouse]

It's a shame that Taka go out. I really wanted that battle to go on. But now I'm rooting that Adrien do take that second place or even win. This year I really don't root for anyone specifically, only for show, stories, battles and different event leaders, stage and event winners... We all need that, the sport need that. Even if there is not enough drivers out there, so much part timers, and WRC2 crews (or even Bertelli) taking top 10 places, even podiums, surprise wins. I root for different. And Hyundai taking drivers title this year is a must. For the health of sport. And them to continue. You all know what I'm talking about.

[mknight]

At the moment Fourmaux would be third in overall points table :D

The amazing part is he can achieve this by being basically 6th fastest in terms of speed in Monte and 6-7th here.

[Eli]

I’m not surprised people aren’t posting here much anymore ….

FFS

I'm mostly enjoying the rally, yes yesterday was kind of crazy, but it's nice to see the oddball here and there, the scenery is absolutely stunning and makes me wish we'd have a double header and next weekend we'd see another snow rally like we had back in 2007.
As for Tänak, at this point I just wish he'd stayed at Toyota after the end of 2019 and endured Tommi Mäkinen and his wife and maybe just maybe, he'd have more than one title by now...

[deephouse]

The amazing part is he can achieve this by being basically 6th fastest in terms of speed in Monte and 6-7th here.

I'm surprised that M-Sport drivers don't have that much problems with car. Tanak and Loubet did constantly. And keep wondering that they were not right drivers after all for the team. Tanak do still have problems in Hyundai. Is he too much agressive of a driver, or he break cars too much, don't know.

[Morte66]

No point in doing rally then, because no matter what you do, you will never have equal conditions, and there will be advantages/disadvantages based on road position.

Or rather, no point in watching I guess ;)

Whilst that is a logical, factually correct statement in itself... ...have you heard the saying "be careful what you wish for"?

[mknight]

I'm surprised that M-Sport drivers don't have that much problems with car. Tanak and Loubet did constantly. And keep wondering that they were not right drivers after all for the team. Tanak do still have problems in Hyundai. Is he too much agressive of a driver, or he break cars too much, don't know.

Tanak does seem a bit hard on cars. That said Loeb also had constant issues in Puma and he is neat. Both Loubet and Tanak also had.many issue even before starts of first stage or after first run of SD.

Too early to tell after 1,5 rallies if MSport reliability is improved. Maybe they don't push hard for top.performance and focus on reliability.

[Corcaíoch]

I was afraid the mistake would come from Taka but a real shame it came on only the 2nd stage. It'll be interesting to see what approach Fourmaux and M-Sport take. The smartest thing to do is to not get sucked into trying to battle with Evans considering his superior experience and speed and to just focus on 3rd and the podium but easier said than done.
Also would agree that it's too early to say if M-Sport's reliabilty has improved and also its not comparing like for like if comparing the pressure Tanak v Munster but's on the car and their expectations of its performance as well.

[Morte66]

The amazing part is he can achieve this by being basically 6th fastest in terms of speed in Monte and 6-7th here.

Perhaps a strategy of "let the others lose, instead of trying to beat them" makes good sense for a slower car on rallies that punish mistakes by beaching you.

[GigiGalliNo1]

I’m not surprised people aren’t posting here much anymore ….

FFS

I've missed it! I gave up in 2021ish 2022 and 2023 as I wasn't involved in the sport. Hit Monte this year, now home for Sweden and back for a few more events but happy to be watching and following here in the forum!!

Twitter is a...... desert.

[wwbroe]

Kalle seems to be a lot faster then Ott on this long stage

[jonkka]

I’m not surprised people aren’t posting here much anymore ….

FFS

What's your proposed reason for that?

[EstWRC]

Kalle seems to be a lot faster then Ott on this long stage

Seems it’s cleaning now. Munster also with decent splits so far

[wwbroe]

11,3 faster in the end

[wwbroe]

Kalle even had a small off, hitting the snowbank

[CeskyOndra]

Neuville found something. Or maybe just a cleaning

[CeskyOndra]

If neuville can find something today, then he can battle Ott and Kalle tomorrow

[Rallyper]

Munster only just over 0,5 sec/km slower than Kalle on this stage. Great improvement from him.

[wwbroe]

Neuville with problems with intercom, he didn't hear Martijn in the end

[wwbroe]

What happened with Evans between split 4 and 5, loosing some time?

[wwbroe]

He hit snowbank and snow must have entered the air intake

[Rallyper]

Lost power after hitting a snowbank, he said at the end.

[wwbroe]

Besttime for Fourmaux

[EstWRC]

Cmon Elfyn it was your own decision to cut so much in that corner. Saw that on onboard

[EstWRC]

Fourmaux is really impressing second rally in a row so far

[Mirek]

Great run by Fourmaux. Nice to see that!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Stage win. Allez Adrien ! :D

[CeskyOndra]

happy for fourmaux. 2nd place would be great

[Mirek]

Linnamäe was stopped for amoment accoridng to the commentary.

EDIT: Stood for about 20 seconds.

[wwbroe]

Big time loss for Linnemae, but i din't hear why was that?

[wwbroe]

Apparently he had a spin

[TypeR]

Big time loss for Linnemae, but i din't hear why was that?
Spin

But why no camera in his car? Seems that all are put into finnish cars.. although out of top3

[wwbroe]

Off for Gryazin

[wwbroe]

Good time for Korhonen, now third in Rally 2

[Mirek]

Nice battle of Pajari, Korhonen, Linnemäe and Heikkilä

[Mirek]

Pretty stupid mistake from Gryazin as it looked from the onboard. Just way too fast into a junction.

[Morte66]

Evans gained some on Fourmeaux, but less than I was hoping before he clipped that snowbank.

Pajari looked less committed than his competitors, but Linnamae spun, so I guess it fell his way.

Not much else to say about the morning loop. We seem to be running out of R1 drivers to talk about...

[WRCStan]

At this point and based only on expected entertainment value, who wants the old points system back?

[deephouse]

At this point and based only on expected entertainment value, who wants the old points system back?

I do. I would only add one point for stage win across all weekend. That way you could spice things up. So likes of Katsuta, Adrien or SuperRally drivers would benefit a little too. So there would be 18 points available for fastest times. Maybe reward more points for overall clasification.

[Mirek]

At this point and based only on expected entertainment value, who wants the old points system back?

For me the old scoring system was as bad as the new one :)

[Rallyper]

Yes, Sunday will be massive competition, that´s for sure.

[WRCStan]

I do. I would only add one point for stage win across all weekend. That way you could spice things up. So likes of Katsuta, Adrien or SuperRally drivers would benefit a little too. So there would be 18 points available for fastest times. Maybe reward more points for overall clasification.

Not an option.

[CeskyOndra]

I do. I would only add one point for stage win across all weekend. That way you could spice things up. So likes of Katsuta, Adrien or SuperRally drivers would benefit a little too. So there would be 18 points available for fastest times. Maybe reward more points for overall clasification.

no points for frontrunners at all, not an option

[WRCStan]

I apologise to everyone if I sparked 20 more pages of discussion on the ideal points system. I only wondered if the points system we actually have was better than the system we actually had for this moment in time.

[Dontcut]

As a Tänak fanboy I have to be on a good terms with the new scoring system. After two rallies, is highly likely that Ott would have most plus points vs old scoring system. Sunday will be blast here in Sweden

[CeskyOndra]

new points system will be interesting in next rallies also, if 2-3 drivers retire then sunday will be always nice

[Kenneth]

Imo points for a stage win would work only if there were more overall points (let's say up to 50 for the best driver) and more importantly, consistent stage amount for every rally.

I think that a few points for overall winner would be best.

[EstWRC]

I personally would have left the old system and just added the super Sunday.

[er88]

Taka unable to finish the interview during the service. In bits, tears in his eyes

[Tauri_J]

Probably this was his best chance for a win.

[Mirek]

Kalle 1 s/km fatser than Ott. I don't think that the difference between being first and second is that huge.

[CeskyOndra]

Probably this was his best chance for a win.

what do you mean? poland, latvia, estonia, finland or chile?

[Rallyper]

Ott saving tyres?

[Mirek]

Small overshot of a junction for Neuville.

[jonkka]

Ott saving tyres?

For what? Don't they have just one tyre option for snow?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Smart driving again by Fourmaux, looking after the tyres.

[EstWRC]

Ott saving tyres?

He should have plenty of them cause he didn’t drive yesterday afternoon

[Tauri_J]

what do you mean? poland, latvia, estonia, finland or chile?

You know what I mean. Hard to Think that he Will ever get a better chance for a win like here.

Whats with the high speed stuff? He’ll never have a chance there

[jonkka]

First stage win for Evans in Sweden this year.

[Managarium]

https://i.postimg.cc/SQBzzQBb/Snimka-zaslona-2024-02-17-145239.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[Morte66]

First stage win for Evans in Sweden this year.

I'm waiting for WRC3 to go through before celebrating. ;)

Nah, OK, I'm joking. Elfyn's not had it easy with the order, especially after Neuville changed, but his circumstances are somewhat better now.

[Mirek]

Great time for Pajari.

[Morte66]

Great time for Pajari.

Wow. He beat Tanak, never mind WRC2. And it wasn't on rally.tv.

I wonder whether his onboard will be available later.

[Rallyper]

He should have plenty of them cause he didn’t drive yesterday afternoon

Ok, then. Enough fresh new tyres it is. :)

[Mirek]

Now an overshot also for Munster.

On the long straight Munster reached only 181 km/h where Tänak did 192 km/h. 186 km/h for Bertelli.

[Rallyper]

Wow. He beat Tanak, never mind WRC2. And it wasn't on rally.tv.

I wonder whether his onboard will be available later.

Only shows Ott wasn´t driving full speed. He doesn´t enjoy today at all.

[EstWRC]

So the main question before the long stage is who has managed their tires the best

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Great job by Fourmaux... one more to go.

[wwbroe]

Solberg loosing allready 10 sec to Linnemae on third split

But taking some time back towards the end

[Morte66]

Suddenly it's all tyres, all the time.

[Morte66]

Great job by Fourmaux... one more to go.

Yep, he's done well.

Damn. ;)

[doubled1978]

Great job by Fourmaux... one more to go.

Yes, he’s been excellent so far.
I’ve said before, this lad has got the minerals. He had a torrid 2022 when everything snowballed away from him, but got himself together last year and has so far started very well, cautiously, this year.
People were comparing him to Loubet, he’s miles better than Loubet. I’ve seen a lot of good and bad drivers over the last 40+ years watching, and he’s good.
How far can he go? Who knows, but I hope he keeps up the good work.

He will probably throw it in a snow bank now I’ve said this! ��

[TypeR]

10km stage and first split on 7.3km :D

[wwbroe]

Kalle a second slower on last stage of the day, wich is also the power stage tomorrow

[Mirek]

Munster crashed.

[Rallyper]

Munster stuck

[Morte66]

He will probably throw it in a snow bank now I’ve said this! ��

Snowbanks exist to embarrass us.

[Rallyper]

Munster struck

[spyros]

I hope Adrien stays ahaid of Elfyn.

[wwbroe]

Pitty for Gregoire

[Morte66]

Oh, he's really parked that.

[TypeR]

Don't know how they can't get it out there..
Half the car is on the road.. shovel faster, open the boot and sit/stand on the rear..

[wwbroe]

Lot of time lost by Evans

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Fuck ! Oh yes ok !

[Mirek]

Super lucky moment for Fourmaux!

[Morte66]

Oh bloody hell.

[Rallyper]

Oh, dear Fourmaux!!!!

[PLuto]

when and who is the last time that rally2 drive win the stage ?? 2012 ogier in Italy?

I think Josh McErlean in Portugal 2022 - https://rally-base.com/2022/vodafone-rally-de-portugal-2022/?ssId=6838&ssGroupId=1

[CeskyOndra]

my heart stopped

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Wow... I couldn't have taken a double off there for MSport!

[TypeR]

Still.. you have like 2x3m to shovel.. it could be done in that 10 minutes



E: Fourmaux need second pair of new underwear during this rally :D

[Morte66]

Yay, it moves.

[EstWRC]

Yes, heâs been excellent so far.
Iâve said before, this lad has got the minerals. He had a torrid 2022 when everything snowballed away from him, but got himself together last year and has so far started very well, cautiously, this year.
People were comparing him to Loubet, heâs miles better than Loubet. Iâve seen a lot of good and bad drivers over the last 40+ years watching, and heâs good.
How far can he go? Who knows, but I hope he keeps up the good work.

He will probably throw it in a snow bank now Iâve said this! í*½í¸

You almost cursed him.

I don’t get it why he was coming there so fast

Seems that some learning still has to be done

[Rallyper]

Is Malcolm still alive?

[TypeR]

Nice sportsmenship from Munster worrying about slowing Lappi down.. but all good, no problem with that!

[EstWRC]

Today overall

https://www.ewrc-results.com/leg/84371-rally-sweden-2024/?leg=3


Good luck to Tänak for tomorrow for hoping some points with only Taka starting ahead of him

[Morte66]

Pajari creeping.

[Eli]

You almost cursed him.

I don’t get it why he was coming there so fast

Seems that some learning still has to be done

He said he saw Munster’s off and he thought it was a corner earlier so by the time he came to the right corner he came too fast. He himself said it was too late.

[Morte66]

Oh boy, Pajari two tenths ahead of Linnamae.

It's looking like a bit of a bloodbath for WRC2 tyres.

[Mirek]

Heikkilä with another crazy stuff.

[Morte66]

Oh boy, Pajari two tenths ahead of Linnamae.

With WRC2 so close, that one place on the running order could be a big deal tomorrow.

[Rallyper]

Oliver taking loads of seconds on his rivals. Wasn´t he asking for fresh tyres after SS14? ;)
Guess he weared his tyres more than well.

[Mirek]

Oliver taking loads of seconds on his rivals. Wasn´t he asking for fresh tyres after SS14? ;)
Guess he weared his tyres more than well.

The Toyota guys behind him were in direct fight all day. He had a comfortable position after yesterday and he used it perfectly.

[Rallyper]

So long. See ya tomorrow...

[doubled1978]

You almost cursed him.

I don’t get it why he was coming there so fast

Seems that some learning still has to be done

He said in the interview at the end he thought that Munster was off in the corner before so I presume he assumed Munster had got the car out and then realised too late that he was still in the bank at the next corner. He turned it in really early to miss Munster and was amazingly lucky!

[doubled1978]

He said in the interview at the end he thought that Munster was off in the corner before so I presume he assumed Munster had got the car out and then realised too late that he was still in the bank at the next corner. He turned it in really early to miss Munster and was amazingly lucky!

To be fair he was also really lucky to miss Tanak on Friday when Tanak was nearly stopped on the exit of a fast corner after his crash.

[Morte66]

Fun day.

Didn't get what I wanted in WRC1, Evans passing Fourmaux, because Fourmaux did well and Evans hit a snowbank on a cut and got snow in his intake. But he ~halved the gap to 16.7s and tomorrow is 60km, so it's still on.

I did get what I wanted in WRC2, Pajari in 2nd place. Only by 0.2 seconds, but ahead is ahead.

I imagine there will be all sorts of dizzying tactical considerations tomorrow, what with Sunday points, power stage points, and people who have Schrodinger points from Saturday to protect. It makes my head spin like a car with no studs on the back tyres.

[focus206]

Great rally by Fourmaux. I expected Evans to catch him today, but he held on. Now the most important thing, to bring it home.
Very good from Lappi too, he had good road position and 2-3 key retirements, but he has always been up there and hasn't put a wheel wrong so far.

[CeskyOndra]

Lets see If Tanak can get more points than Evans or Neuville tomorrow. I dont know how much will road position play a role here, probably not so much because of low temperatures. If Neuville will get more points than Evans and Tanak, then he will has just a perfect weekend from first on the road.

[PLuto]

At this point and based only on expected entertainment value, who wants the old points system back?

I want the old points system back, this new one is stupid. Or rather make better version (like discussed before in different thread).

[EstWRC]

Lets see If Tanak can get more points than Evans or Neuville tomorrow. I dont know how much will road position play a role here, probably not so much because of low temperatures. If Neuville will get more points than Evans and Tanak, then he will has just a perfect weekend from first on the road.

Tänak lost 40 secs to fastest and was only 6th fastest today

Yes tomorrow he has Taka in front of him but that isn’t enough for surely.

[mknight]

Fun day.

Didn't get what I wanted in WRC1, Evans passing Fourmaux, because Fourmaux did well and Evans hit a snowbank on a cut and got snow in his intake. But he ~halved the gap to 16.7s and tomorrow is 60km, so it's still on.



There is nothing "on". Fourmaux gets more points from today unless he crashes
The gap has nothing to say at all for Sunday.

[seb_sh]

At this point and based only on expected entertainment value, who wants the old points system back?

But it's old vs new is it? It's old or many other better versions vs this stupid one which has a minor improvement compared to the initial one.

[Morte66]

[Pajari in SS12]


Wow. He beat Tanak, never mind WRC2. And it wasn't on rally.tv.

I wonder whether his onboard will be available later.

Onboards are up. It was a good run, looks committed, good rhythm. That's what Pajari looks like when everything clicks, then.

[Morte66]

There is nothing "on". Fourmaux gets more points from today unless he crashes
The gap has nothing to say at all for Sunday.

Well blimey. You are right, I was still thinking the old way.

Although I would find it satisfying for him to pass Fourmaux.

[Myrvold]

At this point and based only on expected entertainment value, who wants the old points system back?

I do.
This new system have ruined the full rally. And what's the point in the Fourmaux v Evans battle now?

[Myrvold]

He said he saw Munster’s off and he thought it was a corner earlier so by the time he came to the right corner he came too fast. He himself said it was too late.

I was a bit surprised that at no-time was there any warning triangle, or specators trying to warn the drivers? I know that the rear lights could be seen, but yet, it felt unecessary.

[WRCStan]

I do.
This new system have ruined the full rally. And what's the point in the Fourmaux v Evans battle now?

Why, what's different for Fourmaux and Evans now?

[Myrvold]

Why, what's different for Fourmaux and Evans now?

What are they fighting for? Who will take the 2nd place trophy instead of 3rd, and which side of Lappi they will stand? But I mean, in terms of championship it's pointless. Sunday is what matters there, but that's not a fight between them. The total rally standings are, maybe with the exception of being a "WRC Rally Winner" quite pointless now. Literally.

[wwbroe]

Good morning guys

[Eli]

Why, what's different for Fourmaux and Evans now?

16.7 seconds going into today.

[Tauri_J]

Ott is pushing

[CeskyOndra]

its quite loose here, isnt it?

[Rallyper]

Morning.

[Tauri_J]

No chance for Ott

[Rallyper]

Why this stage. Only full speed straits... Bah.

[wwbroe]

132,5 km/h average speeds for Taka:eek:

[Rallyper]

Tanak dropping time..?

[CeskyOndra]

tanak slower than katsuta..

[wwbroe]

Kalle is flying in there

[TypeR]

Katsuta faster than Tanak.. no points coming for Tanak with that pace

[Kras]

I keep hoping its not the case, but it seems that Tanak lost his mojo

[EstWRC]

Huge difference how Kalle was behind the wheel and Tänak. Tänak worked like crazy while Kalle was so smooth

[CeskyOndra]

tanak was so quick compared to neuville

[Rallyper]

Must be the Huyndai. Also Therry losing time.

[wwbroe]

Neuville complaining about the car not wanting to turn in

[EstWRC]

Hyundai must have done something really wrong overnight or it’s just Toyota stage. Huge differences

Neuville and Tänak saying the same things. Oversteer and understeer

[TypeR]

Hyundai should have gone to Arctic rally.. all cars total failure today.

[Kras]

These questions about driving for overall position feels funny. Like who cares

[EstWRC]

And Evans into second in overall

[CeskyOndra]

Hyundai not so many points today..

[TypeR]

And Evans into second in overall

And took 30sec off from Lappi, 53sec to 1st place

[jonkka]

And took 30sec off from Lappi, 53sec to 1st place

First place only has symbolic meaning these days and besides, there are only two stages left to run and even with the same differences over those two, Lappi's lead is secure.

[TypeR]

First place only has symbolic meaning these days and besides, there are only two stages left to run and even with the same differences over those two, Lappi's lead is secure.
It is still a fight for rally win.

[mknight]

The stupid part of the new rules comming to action.

Evans might even get first overall time today and then he will stand on top of podium while Lappi will get points for first place for Saturday.

There shouldn't be Saturday points. Those 18-15-13 etc. should be awarded for overall at the end of the rally.

[Kras]

The stupid part of the new rules comming to action.

Evans might even get first overall time today and then he will stand on top of podium while Lappi will get points for first place for Saturday.

There shouldn't be Saturday points. Those 18-15-13 etc. should be awarded for overall at the end of the rally.

Yes those should be awarded either for overall win, or for saturday win without the requirement of finishing the rally.

[jonkka]

or for saturday win without the requirement of finishing the rally.

In which case a retired driver could score a sizeable amount of points, again difficult to explain to the audience.

[wwbroe]

Very mature rally for Oliver, dominating Rally 2 without taking extreme risks

[Kras]

In which case a retired driver could score a sizeable amount of points, again difficult to explain to the audience.

It wouldnt be difficult to explain. Those retired on friday and saturday can already win a sizable amount of points. This would be more consistent. I the end you take a guy with most points and declare him the winner.

But I would still prefer points for overall win and extra points for sunday stage wins

[Rallyper]

Those retired on friday and saturday can already win a sizable amount of points. This would be more consistent. I the end you take a guy with most points and declare him the winner.



Fastest guy. on stages all weekend should always be the winner. Nothing else

[Morte66]

First place only has symbolic meaning these days and besides, there are only two stages left to run and even with the same differences over those two, Lappi's lead is secure.

I think for Lappi personally, when it comes to getting a contract renewal and maybe some additional drives the following year, "winner of Rally Finland" will count.

The Saturday/Sunday WDC points don't matter to Lappi.

Are his Sunday WCC points important to Hyundai, since Tanak/Neuville both restarted and he goes back to being their third driver?

[spyros]

I wonder how after 3 days Ott didnt find the balance?

[Morte66]

First place only has symbolic meaning these days and besides, there are only two stages left to run and even with the same differences over those two, Lappi's lead is secure.

I think for Lappi personally, when it comes to getting a contract renewal and maybe some additional drives the following year, "winner of Rally Finland" will count.

The Saturday/Sunday WDC points don't matter to Lappi.

Are his Sunday times important to Hyundai's WCC points, since Tanak/Neuville both reset and he goes back to being their third driver?

[Kras]

Fastest guy. on stages all weekend should always be the winner. Nothing else

I'd like it that way too, but it's not like its some universal truth. You could extend that logic to the championship and say the champion should always be the guy who took the least amount of time to finish all rallies

[CeskyOndra]

now points are just different and we have to get used to it..

[Morte66]

The real question is "will it stop people cruising to the power stage, who would have done so under the old rules?"

[Kras]

The real question is "will it stop people cruising to the power stage, who would have done so under the old rules?"

It stops saturday losers from cruising, but incentivises saturday winners to cruise

[CeskyOndra]

It stops saturday losers from cruising, but incentivises saturday winners to cruise

yes.. but if you have good lead from Saturday, you are always cruising, you dont wanna bin it. I would say that with the new rules it became more about speed than about reliability.

[240RS]

This event will teach us a thing or two about the psychological impact of the new points system.
Kalle has all to gain for the team and can adopt a win-or- nothing approach. Hyundai drivers are treading a thin line between drivers points and manufacturer benefit

[Morte66]

It stops saturday losers from cruising, but incentivises saturday winners to cruise

yes.. but if you have good lead from Saturday, you are always cruising, you dont wanna bin it. I would say that with the new rules it became more about speed than about reliability.
Time will tell, but I think I'll take that trade. Too often, I got up early on Sunday morning and thought "might as well have gone for a walk and come back for the power stage".

[WRC1]

i am wondering how Hyundai will choose the drivers for the next Rallyes, if they have to choose between a Rally Sweden Winner and a guy who is fighting against Rally2 Cars...

[Managarium]

https://i.postimg.cc/sfmxztS7/Snimka-zaslona-2024-02-18-092154.jpg (https://postimg.cc/HjJd4v6k)

[Rallyper]

I'd like it that way too, but it's not like its some universal truth. You could extend that logic to the championship and say the champion should always be the guy who took the least amount of time to finish all rallies

Big no.

[WRCStan]

Champion should be the most points in Colin Clark's driver ratings and nothing else.

[mknight]

yes.. but if you have good lead from Saturday, you are always cruising, you dont wanna bin it. I would say that with the new rules it became more about speed than about reliability.

Moving Saturday points to overall on Sunday would eliminate Fourmaux cruising today.

[mknight]

i am wondering how Hyundai will choose the drivers for the next Rallyes, if they have to choose between a Rally Sweden Winner and a guy who is fighting against Rally2 Cars...

So you want to drop Neuville then?

If you are serious I suggest you look at Lappi's results on tarmac, like on Monte a year ago.

[WRCStan]

Moving Saturday points to overall on Sunday would eliminate Fourmaux cruising today.

No it wouldn't, his goal is the podium.

[EstWRC]

https://i.postimg.cc/sfmxztS7/Snimka-zaslona-2024-02-18-092154.jpg (https://postimg.cc/HjJd4v6k)

lol is this real or photoshop?

[Kras]

One more interesting scenario is possible with current points system. Imagine this was a tarmac rally. You'd have Kalle, Ott on Taka, who dont have any saturday points to hope for, in a position where the worse they do on saturday the best chance whey'll have on sunday (better starting position)

[Kras]

No it wouldn't, his goal is the podium.

His main goal is saturday points, it's foolish to believe otherwise

[CeskyOndra]

So you want to drop Neuville then?

If you are serious I suggest you look at Lappi's results on tarmac, like on Monte a year ago.

I think he meant Mikkelsen

[WRCStan]

His main goal is saturday points, it's foolish to believe otherwise

Doubt he cares whether finishing 5th or 6th in the championship. Podiums are psychological development milestone. As it stands Elfyn is taking more points than him, and the table doesn't differentiate Saturday and Sunday points.

[EstWRC]

Tänak fighting a lot and really on the edge. Great to watch in that sense

[mknight]

I think he meant Mikkelsen

Oh, not easy to read. Seeing that Neuville was behind Rally2 after leg 1 here and Lappi was behind three Rally2 after leg 1 in Japan while Mikkelsen was never behind Rally2 overall in Monte.

Picking Lappi instead of himself didn't make much sense so it left Neuville.

[Rallyper]

Tanak spun at the end. Quite big damages on front and rear left. Mostly panels, but still.
"Not good, not good..." (Taka)

[Rallyper]

Lost about 20 secs

[CeskyOndra]

Kalle wanted to go slowly here, to let pass Evans in Sunday's points.

[EstWRC]

Neuville overhauled Tänak with 2 second now in todays overall

[Rallyper]

Is really points on Sundays 60K in relation to Friday/Saturday points fair and square? I wouldn´t say that.

[jonkka]

Is really points on Sundays 60K in relation to Friday/Saturday points fair and square? I wouldn´t say that.

Definitely not but likely FIA thought that in order to make it appealing enough, points haul from Sunday must be substantial or drivers aren't motivated to take risks. And whole point is diluted if drivers cruise on Sunday.

[mknight]

So "no team orders" at Toyota lasted one rally.

[wwbroe]

So "no team orders" at Toyota lasted one rally.

:D

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Sunday positions so far...

https://www.ewrc-results.com/leg/84371-rally-sweden-2024/?leg=4

[Morte66]

So "no team orders" at Toyota lasted one rally.
But was it team orders, or a private agreement between the drivers? I think the distinction does matter.

[Rallyper]

Oh dear. What happened around Becs this weekend. Some gentle words to her now from other commentator.

[Morte66]

Oh dear. What happened around Becs this weekend. Some gentle words to her now from other commentator.

That is about the most public way possible to say something private. Hmm.

[Doon]

As it stands
Lappi 1st 19pts
Evans 2nd 20pts

What a ridiculous points system.

[Kras]

but was it team orders, or a private agreement between the drivers? I think the distinction does matter.

lmao

[Kras]

As it stands
Lappi 1st 19pts
Evans 2nd 20pts

What a ridiculous points system.

Yes, but Lappi is the overall winner. That's really important, at least thats what a protion of the people here believe

[CeskyOndra]

As it stands
Lappi 1st 19pts
Evans 2nd 20pts

What a ridiculous points system.

its not that rudiculous. if u want most points, you have to be great and push all the weekend

[wwbroe]

its not that rudiculous. if u want most points, you have to be great and push all the weekend

But you are not the winner of the rally, yet you take more points than the rally winner. Explain that to somebody reasonable.

[CeskyOndra]

champ. points before PS:

1. Neuville 45
2. Evans 41
3. Fourmaux 29
4. Ogier 24
5. Tanak 19

... Great starting position for Ott in Safari

[meh]

Rally2: fast-food competition behind the energy drink.

https://twitter.com/lukebarry97/status/1758857670482669712

[WRCStan]

But you are not the winner of the rally, yet you take more points than the rally winner. Explain that to somebody reasonable.

Championship points are awarded not just to the win.

Really not that hard to understand.

[Kras]

Championship points are awarded not just to the win.

Really not that hard to understand.

Championship points are NOT AT ALL awarded for the win.

It seems like you are having a hard time understanding

[Fast Eddie WRC]

The points system is easy enough but it needs to be made clear for new fans that each rally is now like two separate scoring events.But the question is whether its devaluing the overall win.

[WRCStan]

Championship points are NOT AT ALL awarded for the win.

It seems like you are having a hard time understanding

Or you understanding I was explaining what it wasn't. Which means I wasn't clear enough.

Nevermind.

[Morte66]

[...]clear [...] that each rally is now like two separate scoring events.

I was thinking this morning that the onscreen graphics on rally tv aren't helping with that.

They'd need to show stage time, total Sunday time, and total rally time. But that's going to be some clutter on the screen.

[CeskyOndra]

guys, just let it be, you can't do nothing with it.. I hope we will have good championship fight atleast this year

[CeskyOndra]

I was thinking this morning that the onscreen graphics on rally tv aren't helping with that.

They'd need to show stage time, total Sunday time, and total rally time. But that's going to be some clutter on the screen.

they are atleast showing it after the stage, small improvement from Monte. And I have also seen a table with points calculated from both days and all together

[CeskyOndra]

https://www.instagram.com/stories/thierryneuville/3305385822077427575?igsh=anYzMWkxcmNhbHhr

what is thierry saying? look how they all are looking at him :D

[EstWRC]

Order

12h15 : Joona
Heikkilä
Korhonen
Linnamäe
Pajari
Solberg
Katsuta
Tänak
Rovanperä
Munster
Bertelli
Neuville
Fourmaux
Evans
Lappi

[becher]

As it stands
Lappi 1st 19pts
Evans 2nd 20pts

What a ridiculous points system.

Would be fitting Evans was the first to achieve this, after all he didn't hesitate to point out this fault.

[rp]

As it stands
Lappi 1st 19pts
Evans 2nd 20pts

What a ridiculous points system.

Evans will get more poits than 20. It´s possible than 25.

[Eli]

Order

12h15 : Joona
Heikkilä
Korhonen
Linnamäe
Pajari
Solberg
Katsuta
Tänak
Rovanperä
Munster
Bertelli
Neuville
Fourmaux
Evans
Lappi

2 minute gaps?

[denkimi]

The points system is easy enough but it needs to be made clear for new fans that each rally is now like two separate scoring events.But the question is whether its devaluing the overall win.
But then they should act like it are 2 different events. 2 podiums, different tyre allocations, starting list based on Championship standings.

Now how well you can do on Sunday is highly dependand on what you have done the days before, so it's not a separate rally.

[TypeR]

2 minute gaps?
I'm pretty sure, regular PS 4min gaps

[wwbroe]

2 minute gaps?

Rally 2's with 3 minute gaps, Rally 1's with 4 minute gaps

[WRCStan]

Lappi won one rally and Evans is on target to win the second rally, do they have two podium ceremonies?

[wwbroe]

Joona's time is about 6 seconds faster then yesterday's evening last stage time of Oliver

[wwbroe]

Road is becoming faster apparently

[Fast Eddie WRC]

This rally is quite unusual in the the leader has been happy just to finish as the overall winner, plus Tanak has been out of it

If all the main contenders were at the top they'd all be fighting for position on both days, and their points would be a fair reflection.

[wwbroe]

Oliver really going for it on power stage

[PLuto]

Definitely not but likely FIA thought that in order to make it appealing enough, points haul from Sunday must be substantial or drivers aren't motivated to take risks. And whole point is diluted if drivers cruise on Sunday.

FIA (and person who made this idea) is not interested in fair or sporting side, they want only some action and show...

[Rallyper]

Oliver just outstanding! Congratulations to him outbursting the others in WRC2. Also great words from him at the finish.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Great drive by Solberg. It's a shame he couldn't get a deal done and be in the Rally1 Puma.

[PLuto]

The points system is easy enough but it needs to be made clear for new fans that each rally is now like two separate scoring events.But the question is whether its devaluing the overall win.

Points system is not easy for people who understand it, for most of regular and news fans it is only chaos. So it doesnt needs to be made clear, it should be made more easier and understandable for everybody.

[jonkka]

FIA (and person who made this idea) is not interested in fair or sporting side, they want only some action and show...

Indeed. And do we get the action and show? Given that there is no easy way to see Sunday standings (downright impossible with official sites), the entire competition for Sunday classification remains in the dark for vast majority of followers.

[PLuto]

Oh dear. What happened around Becs this weekend. Some gentle words to her now from other commentator.

I think it is not secret as it was mentioned on social media, but her brother died last week.

[Rallyper]

I think it is not secret as it was mentioned on social media, but her brother died last week.

Ahhh. Feel sorry for her.

[wwbroe]

Kalle fastest sofar

[EstWRC]

Tänaks second half of the stages has been a nightmare this weekend. Loses so much time after first splits

[Tauri_J]

Lappi won one rally and Evans is on target to win the second rally, do they have two podium ceremonies?

What are you talking about?

[Kras]

What are you talking about?

Hes making fun of the points system. Whos the real winner here. Obviously the one with most points scored

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Points system is not easy for people who understand it, for most of regular and news fans it is only chaos. So it doesnt needs to be made clear, it should be made more easier and understandable for everybody.


I dont agree. I'm sure we rally fans understand it perfectly, but some just dont necessarily agree with it.

[seb_sh]

Yea while drivers aren't cruising i wouldn't say the action is interesting, it's all a bit muddled up. They need to come up with something more natural than this gimmick.

Otherwise happy for Lappi he drove well, and Evans somehow got good points in the end. Tanak needs a comeback soon or he may find himself supporting Neuville.

[CeskyOndra]

I dont agree. I'm sure we rally fans understand it perfectly, but some just dont necessarily agree with it.

agree with u

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Wow Neuville !!

[Morte66]

Well, that's a new way to optimise the car for weight.

[wwbroe]

What a jump, but just 0,1 too slow

[Tauri_J]

Ott always gaves up points on PS by very little margin