[WRC] 91e Rallye Automobile Monte-Carlo (16-22 January 2023)

[dimviii]

https://twitter.com/HartusvuoriWRC/status/1616129566736629811

[dimviii]

WRC freak
@FakeHinkelstein
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Very atmospheric on the Col de Turni. It's was -4° when we left the car.
@ACM_Media
#WRCLive
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fm2lkg_XwBU74SD?format=jpg&name=large

[EstWRC]

Dirtfish live Centre is on now https://dirtfish.com/rally/monte-carlo-2023-thursday-live-center/

[Fast Eddie WRC]

But for some reason the fords don't have them.

The driver numbers are now on the rear of the Fords. Not as clear as on the Toyotas though which don't have any sponsors in that area.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Dirtfish live Centre is on now https://dirtfish.com/rally/monte-carlo-2023-thursday-live-center/

Says Pajari wont start due to sickness.

[dimviii]

food poisoning rode at French forum


https://livecenterimagesnorth.azureedge.net/lc-images-2021/lcimg-e2dad948-2786-470f-a8c0-00bd062342c5.jpg

[dimviii]

GRAVEL NOTES: SS1
The stage is bone dry, save for a few small damp patches up at the Col. Temperatures vary from 2.5°C at the start to -5°C at the finish.

[meh]

Here we go, enjoy the rally and the season! :)

Really hope all the silly-season mess now is going to deliver and we will have epic season.

[rage82]

This guys on WRC+ are clear joke. Talking bullshit for 8 min and not showing the start of Rovanpera, late with 3 Min

[MentalParadox]

Love how it took WRC+ 3 minutes to get the first images from the stages, they couldn't even get the first car launching into the stage. Since 2018 they've only evolved backwards

[Tauri_J]

Front looks really heavy on Tänak's Puma

[Lead]

The last year's champ starts the first stage of the new season..... and WRC+ misses it :D "All Live"

[EstWRC]

Last split 20 seconds before the stage end

Sensible

[RS]

What happened to the bit going down the other side?

[Kras]

Tanaks time gives me hope

[satukata]

working splits?

[MentalParadox]

Impressive time for Ott despite the broken gearbox/electronics... amazing luck from Ott again....

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Gearchange problem for Tanak.

[Tauri_J]

Issues already lol

[EstWRC]

I just can’t believe this man’s luck

[Rallyest]

Issues already lol

Unbelivable, just unbelivable

[Kras]

I wonder if it's something he can fix between stages

[Lead]

Evans comes out blasting

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Evans superfast !

[MentalParadox]

Elfyn flying

[Kras]

Wow Evans

[Rallyest]

Flying welshman is back

[MentalParadox]

Ogier will smash all of them, watch

[MentalParadox]

told ya

[Kras]

Taka doing this well makes me think the road conditions are somehow improving. Maybe less dew...

[MentalParadox]

Taka doing this well makes me think the road conditions are somehow improving. Maybe less dew...

Road rubbering in, like in circuit racing?

[EstWRC]

Great time Taka!

[TypeR]

Wouldn't want to be Wilson or M-Sport's mechanic right now.. :D

But oh well.. it can't get worse than 3 last years for Tanak.. :)

First stage afterall, hopefully will get everything working by tomorrow..

[meh]

But oh well.. it can't get worse than 3 last years for Tanak.. :)


Hopefully there is no "challenge accepted" now :)

[EstWRC]

Sordo and lappi nowhere at the moment

[Kras]

Road rubbering in, like in circuit racing?

Fair guess

[jonkka]

Sordo and lappi nowhere at the moment

Lappi has an excuse, being newcomer but Sordo's lack of pace is somewhat worrying.

[Kras]

Can't stand this crooked dash cam. Looks like the car is crabbing

[becher]

Lappi has an excuse, being newcomer but Sordo's lack of pace is somewhat worrying.

He wasn't doing Monte that often in the past few years and the event doesn't suit him that much.

[RS]

I don’t like this camera position on the roof, it feels like you’re looking at it with a bent neck or the car is crabbing.

[RS]

Will Formaux catch Sederidis in the stage?

[NOT]

serderidis is a disgrace to the human race... he should be banned from rallying.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Impressive time for Ott despite the broken gearbox/electronics... amazing luck from Ott again....

It's a brand new Puma built for Tanak too.

[Rallyper]

Kalle slowest amongst Toyotas...

[Kras]

It's a brand new Puma built for Tanak too.

Tanak must have gremlin infestation

[jonkka]

Kalle slowest amongst Toyotas...

But all four Toyotas are in top-5? Yes, it's just first stage and in dark but still...

[Tauri_J]

serderidis is a disgrace to the human race... he should be banned from rallying.
Waiting to hear what he has to say for being so slow

Edit: visibility

[Rallyper]

But all four Toyotas are in top-5? Yes, it's just first stage and in dark but still...

Still I have Kalle as winner. ;)

[Allez Andruet]

Food poisoning for Pajari and that's why he didn't start.

[NOT]

Waiting to hear what he has to say for being so slow

Edit: visibility

he is a disgrace for the sport... and should be banned from rallying.

Having money was always a factor in rallying... but there should be limits to everything.

[meh]

WRC+ shows Solberg with Hyundai... did I miss something? Or it should be Skoda

[Kras]

I know this not a predictions thread, but i predict Formaux won't be top5 in wrc2 at the end ofnthe season

[erikli2]

Instead of watching another top WRC 2-driver, we get a 60 year old guy who has a lot of money and can barely keep up with Rally4 cars. Great branding for the sport.


.. And then a Russian, perfect.

[NOT]

.. And then a Russian, perfect.

well you are somali so...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Wow Gryazin !

[Kras]

Nikolay wiping the floor with rally1 dropouts.

RBR legend

[TypeR]

serderidis is a disgrace to the human race... he should be banned from rallying.
Haven't seen(and never will) you drive top tier rally car on world rally stages and on live tv..

Or what are your hobbies :D


so better stfu :)

[EstWRC]

Tänak is already discovering problems on the Puma: "We had electrical problems in the road section. We cannot use fifth gear and every gear change is complicated, we will try to bring the car back to service. "

I hope they managed to fix it

[Kras]

Haven't seen(and never will) you drive top tier rally car on world rally stages and on live tv..

Or what are your hobbies :D


so better stfu :)

You cant criticise anyone richer than you. Nice...

[NOT]

Haven't seen(and never will) you drive top tier rally car on world rally stages and on live tv..

Or what are your hobbies :D


so better stfu :)

that is the problem... you could see me if i was rich enough.

but you are british so i do not expect you understand.

[jonkka]

Haven't seen(and never will) you drive top tier rally car on world rally stages and on live tv..

Or what are your hobbies :D


so better stfu :)

Ignore the troll. Better yet, put him on your Ignore List and avoid those posts completely.

[NOT]

You cant criticise anyone richer than you. Nice...

he is british... its like arguing with an autist... only worse.

[RS]

Decent start for Cais and Ingram in the old car too.

[seb_sh]

Toyota seems to have an advantage but the rally is long

[seb_sh]

Tänak is already discovering problems on the Puma: "We had electrical problems in the road section. We cannot use fifth gear and every gear change is complicated, we will try to bring the car back to service. "

I hope they managed to fix it

it begins... :/

[Kras]

Toyota seems to have an advantage but the rally is long

Shortest car on twisty stages

[TypeR]

he is british... its like arguing with an autist... only worse.

Lol, go eat olives..

Watch rally if you understand that sport :)

[jonkka]

Shortest car on twisty stages

GR Yaris and i20 both have same wheelbase (2630mm) and what comes to length, Yaris is 4225 mm vs 4100 mm of I20.

[Kras]

I can't believe WRC can't get some better comentators...

[becher]

ewrc is down?

[Kras]

GR Yaris and i20 both have same wheelbase (2630mm) and what comes to length, Yaris is 4225 mm vs 4100 mm of I20.

I would never guess. Where can I see those specs?

[Kras]

Are they seriously baffled by dew turning to ice?

[jonkka]

I would never guess. Where can I see those specs?

For example wikipedia (GR Yaris (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_GR_Yaris_Rally1) and i20 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyundai_i20_N_Rally1)) or teams' own sites (https://toyotagazooracing.com/wrc/cars/2023/ and https://motorsport.hyundai.com/rally/wrc/i20-n-rally1/)

[Kras]

For example wikipedia (GR Yaris (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_GR_Yaris_Rally1) and i20 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyundai_i20_N_Rally1)) or teams' own sites (https://toyotagazooracing.com/wrc/cars/2023/ and https://motorsport.hyundai.com/rally/wrc/i20-n-rally1/)

Thx

[seb_sh]

ooh Neuville slipped off

[jonkka]

ooh Neuville slipped off

Completely or just momentarily?

[Kras]

Stream froze for anyone else?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Tanak super careful for the icy corner. Neuville looks to have gone off there.

[meh]

Stream froze for anyone else?

yes

[Kras]

Completely or just momentarily?

Hit the bank quit hard. Atm stream is down for me. Can't tell if he escaped

[becher]

ooh Neuville slipped off
Able to continue or out?

[Rallyper]

Stream froze for anyone else?

Yep here too

Froze the moment he went off. Looked briefly.

[seb_sh]

Completely or just momentarily?

stream is freezing so can't see but he was off the road, there was some room on the side and a soft bank, he's probably fine

[Tauri_J]

Ah Neuville crashing, nothing new

[Negaiss]

yes

yes, stil forzen. one second after Neuvilles off

[MTA]

According to the map, Neuville is moving

[SubaruNorway]

Looks like someones splashed or poured water on the road there, puddle on the right

[MentalParadox]

WRC+ died completely for me.

[Eli]

Here three.

[flykas]

Neuville broke the stream!

[Kras]

WRC+ died completely for me.

Yep. Money well spent

[seb_sh]

Looks like someones splashed or poured water on the road there

could be, there are suspiciously many people with phone lights on and filming on that corner...

[Eli]

You could see he was going much faster, it was inevitable, as is WRC+'s completely being frozen...

[Rallyper]

Vänälainen?

[seb_sh]

That's why WRC doesn't have more fans, when there are too many ewrc and wrc+ goes down :P

[Negaiss]

splits seems to be working. Tanak - GO !

[Negaiss]

Hyundai cut the streem, so others do not get information about ice and go off too

[wyler]

SPIN DIDN'T COST NEUVILLE
He might have spun off the road, but Neuville is still fastest so far! Five seconds faster than Rovanpera and four tenths faster than Tanak in the fourth split

from df live

[EstWRC]

Great two stages from Tänak despite the problems

Can go even better

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Neuville recovered and is fastest still.

But then lost some again at the end.

[Rallyper]

Katsuta in trouble?

[RS]

Delecour and Miele quite quick on SS1 for oldies. Both faster than Serderidis!

[Kras]

They should give us a free monthly sub for this disgrace

[TypeR]

Hahaha what a story from Neuville..
Oil spilled by spectators or smth.. :D

[Kenneth]

bruh literally everyone is faster than Serderidis so far

[Tauri_J]

Amazing pictures from Ogier onboard

[wyler]

Hahaha what a story from Neuville..
Oil spilled by spectators or smth.. :D

actually water that freezed.

[meh]

Amazing pictures from Ogier onboard

thank you teasing us

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Gary Boyd aka KiwiWRCfan:
22.4 seconds seperated top 9 cars last year on a similar distance SS1. This year it is only 12.9 seconds across top 9 cars. Hopefully an early indication of an extremely competitive season ahead with multiple round winners

[MentalParadox]

I think WRC+ servers may have been placed at the outside of that corner where Neuville went wide, because since that incident the entire WRC+ site has been performing like sh-t. Not only is the live stream still not working, I can't watch older streams, or any videos for that matter. Even loading for example the results table for the 2022 season took a full minute. What on Earth is happening.

EDIT: now it's suddenly logged me out, and the login page won't load. MARVELLOUS

[Negaiss]

Meh, Its time to admit, that is is not OK, that guys like Serderidiridis is driving rally 1. At the moment it is the bad image for WRC.

[seb_sh]

Evans fastest so far by 2.1s

EDIT corrected time

[RS]

Amazing pictures from Ogier onboard

Are you watching on proper tv?

[Kras]

Evans is on fire

[meh]

Gary Boyd aka KiwiWRCfan:
22.4 seconds seperated top 9 cars last year on a similar distance SS1. This year it is only 12.9 seconds across top 9 cars. Hopefully an early indication of an extremely competitive season ahead with multiple round winners

I don't remember, but maybe last year there were a little bit more difficult road conditions?

[MTA]

Bring back the old radio. It usually worked unlike this…

[Kras]

Evan's time corrected to -2.1 on Tanak

[seb_sh]

did Katsuta go off or?

[Jajá]

I also got off the streaming and now when I log in it says I do not have an active subscription... well done WRC+... :(

[jonkka]

did Katsuta go off or?

Since he bled time constantly during the stage, that's not likely explanation.

[Kras]

Katsuta assuming his natural position

[Fast Eddie WRC]

did Katsuta go off or?

No just issues with the hairpins.

[Kras]

I also got off the streaming and now when I log in it says I do not have an active subscription... well done WRC+... :(

Same

[SubaruNorway]

Same, even EWRC is down

[meh]

I also got off the streaming and now when I log in it says I do not have an active subscription... well done WRC+... :(

seems that API for authentication service does not work / is down.

If they can not identify users, they should show stream for free. Bastards.

[eib1]

#11 Neuville Thierry - Wydaeghe M.
"I don't know what happened to be honest. There was zero grip and I was not the first one to go wide there for sure. I could see the lines but I was already too late. I lost probably seven or eight seconds because the car stalled."

[Rallyper]

Meh, Its time to admit, that is is not OK, that guys like Serderidiridis is driving rally 1. At the moment it is the bad image for WRC.

If Serderidis wanted to go Formula One with money, he couldn´t.

Should be same in WRC...

[Kras]

If Serderidis wanted to go Formula One with money, he couldn´t.

Should be same in WRC...

That's because his gut can't fit in and f1 car

[EstWRC]

Tänak third at the end of the day!

I’ll take that

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Some atmos for those with no pictures:

https://twitter.com/LPaanala/status/1616170165892169734

[Tauri_J]

Serderidis off

[Kras]

Tänak third at the end of the day!

I’ll take that

Ye, he survived this pretty fine

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Serderidis slid off on the icy corner.

[Hackinator]

The issue appears to be resolved on mobile and web for the time being.

[mknight]

That's because his gut can't fit in and f1 car

Some years ago Loeb wasn't allowed to start in F1 cause he did not have enough testing km in the car.

A bit of a difference.

[Andre Oliveira]

You can't race with Rally1 without x rallies too, and a manufacter team approve (easy).

[seb_sh]

The issue appears to be resolved on mobile and web for the time being.

oh great just in time for Serderidis...

[Kras]

Serderidis slid off on the icy corner.

Was probably going 5km/h. Car should be fine

[RS]

All Live back online

[Kras]

All Live back online

WRC some live*

[Rallyper]

WRC+ now working again. Had to do a new login.

[SubaruNorway]

We can jump back around 28min

[EstWRC]

Great that Estonian TV service is broadcasting the stages. Didn’t miss a thing :D

[Kras]

Formaux gonna catch the old fart

[Tauri_J]

Whats the time Gap behind Serderidis? He might get overtaken

[Tauri_J]

Jesus, its actually embarassing...he might be allergic to throttle

[WRC1]

please got this old man out.....this has nothin to do with rallying

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Great that Estonian TV service is broadcasting the stages. Didn’t miss a thing :D

Ditto with BT Sport.

BTW, the live video has now come up on WRC.com and I'm not subscribed. They must've just made it free to solve the issue.

[Kras]

If an icy stage happens in this rally old man Jordan is gonna fuck it up for rally2 guys

[Kenneth]

Can you people shut up about Serderidis? Some of you are talking like a toxic whining zeroes who never left their basements. He's just trying to enjoy the challenge called Monte, so what? If he wasn't in that Puma, there would be only 2 Pumas.

So shut the fuck up, enjoy the performance of others and stop filling this forum with your toxicity, thanks.

[Rallyper]

Oliver faster than Lappi on split 3...

[Kras]

Can you people shut up about Serderidis? Some of you are talking like a toxic whining zeroes who never left their basements. He's just trying to enjoy the challenge called Monte, so what? If he wasn't in that Puma, there would be only 2 Pumas.

So shut the fuck up, enjoy the performance of others and stop filling this forum with your toxicity, thanks.

Who cares what hes trying to do

[RS]

WTF, now they left the SS2 broadcast?

[mknight]

He's just trying to enjoy the challenge called Monte, so what? If he wasn't in that Puma, there would be only 2 Pumas.

So shut the fuck up, enjoy the performance of others and stop filling this forum with your toxicity, thanks.

So what, we could instead watch more from great WRC2 battle.

Also talk about toxicity and tell people to shut the fuck up....right.

[Hackinator]

Nice to see Tanak in third with the Puma.

[Rallyper]

WTF, now they left the SS2 broadcast?

What are they doing?! Do they not want us to watch the Rally2 competition?

[Kras]

What are they doing?! Do they not want us to watch the Rally2 competition?

Morons...

[mknight]

Oliver faster than Lappi on split 3...
...and then he lost masively on next split.

Just what he shouldn't be doing again...epic splits or stage time and then issues immediately.

Only solace is that he is not nominated for points here.

[RS]

What are they doing?! Do they not want us to watch the Rally2 competition?

If they have to cut to another stage for Rally1s ok.. tonight there is no excuse.

[Kenneth]

So what, we could instead watch more from great WRC2 battle.

Yes, I would love that too. But that's an issue of broadcast production. And it's definitely not a reason to call someone old fart and similar stuff.

[Kras]

Solberg +2:22 on a split

[RS]

Solberg +2:22 on a split

It would have been nice to see/hear why.

[Kras]

Gryazin killing it once more. Give this man a Rally1 car

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Dirtfish
DAMAGE FOR SOLBERG
Oliver Solberg has made it to the end of SS2, but not completely unscathed. He's got damage to his left rear wheel.

That's cost him over two minutes. Not the ideal start to the rally for him.

https://livecenterimagesnorth.azureedge.net/lc-images-2021/lcimg-d5ad65b5-c52f-44f5-9842-6270764955bf.jpg

[Kras]

Dirtfish
DAMAGE FOR SOLBERG
Oliver Solberg has made it to the end of SS2, but not completely unscathed. He's got damage to his left rear wheel.

That's cost him over two minutes. Not the ideal start to the rally for him.

He has a bright future in ARA

[erikli2]

Can you people shut up about Serderidis? Some of you are talking like a toxic whining zeroes who never left their basements. He's just trying to enjoy the challenge called Monte, so what? If he wasn't in that Puma, there would be only 2 Pumas.

So shut the fuck up, enjoy the performance of others and stop filling this forum with your toxicity, thanks.

Sure, let him race and have fun, but don't give him a starting position among the best rally drivers in the world.

[Kenneth]

Sure, let him race and have fun, but don't give him a starting position among the best rally drivers in the world.

Yeah, I agree with that. But that's not really his fault, is it? It's fault of promoter.

[erikli2]

Yeah, I agree with that. But that's not really his fault, is it? It's fault of promoter.

100%

[bearclaw]

Can you people shut up about Serderidis? Some of you are talking like a toxic whining zeroes who never left their basements. He's just trying to enjoy the challenge called Monte, so what? If he wasn't in that Puma, there would be only 2 Pumas.

So shut the fuck up, enjoy the performance of others and stop filling this forum with your toxicity, thanks.

he could rent a rally2 or a rally3 car to have some fun and give his rally1 car to a young talent. he is supporting munster for example and that's really cool. but people should know where there talents and limits are.

[NOT]

Can you people shut up about Serderidis? Some of you are talking like a toxic whining zeroes who never left their basements. He's just trying to enjoy the challenge called Monte, so what? If he wasn't in that Puma, there would be only 2 Pumas.

So shut the fuck up, enjoy the performance of others and stop filling this forum with your toxicity, thanks.

either american or some british i presume...

social justice warrior plague has entered the sport.

don't you have some pride event to attend ?

[mknight]

Gryazin killing it once more. Give this man a Rally1 car

Lol, he barely won anything for last 3 years...cause he was always "killing it" until crash (with Polo) or with previous Fabia usually didn't have the speed to win.
.

[WRC1]

Dirtfish
DAMAGE FOR SOLBERG
Oliver Solberg has made it to the end of SS2, but not completely unscathed. He's got damage to his left rear wheel.

That's cost him over two minutes. Not the ideal start to the rally for him.

https://livecenterimagesnorth.azureedge.net/lc-images-2021/lcimg-d5ad65b5-c52f-44f5-9842-6270764955bf.jpg

he should step back for 2 years into WRC3...WRC2 is too early for him....

[Kras]

Lol, he barely won anything for last 3 years...cause he was always "killing it" until crash (with Polo) or with previous Fabia usually didn't have the speed to win.
.

Unlike Solber/Formaux/Taka who are killing it in 7th place till they crash

[J4MIE]

Some of you lot need to get off your high horses about Serderidis. It’s pathetic reading the hateful comments. He’s not affecting anyone else so I can’t see what the issue is. If he wants to spend money going rallying in a let’s face it half decent car, then there’s nothing to stop him.

If my lottery numbers came up I would be doing the same.

Wonder how many WRC results any of you complaining have got so far?

[Kras]

Wonder how many WRC results any of you complaining have got so far?

Being last is not something anyone aspires to. What kind of argument is that?

[Hackinator]

gryazin killing it once more. Give this man a rally1 car

yes!

[Galev62]

Actually Serderidis is a very good thing for the sport and i would be happy if there were 10 other drivers just like him. Then young drivers would have much higher chanche of getting to rally 1 machinery. There used to be many independent wrc drivers in the early 2000s but no one has the money anymore to drive these cars. Dont hate him hate the organizers who put him so early in the start list.

[Kras]

Take NOT with you, because you can't handle that b.utthurt alone :)

I thought you we're too busy hating all things rusian to pay attention to me

[Kenneth]

he could rent a rally2 or a rally3 car to have some fun and give his rally1 car to a young talent. he is supporting munster for example and that's really cool. but people should know where there talents and limits are.

I think people forget that he OWNS the car. So it doesn't make sense to rent a Rally2 or a Rally3, also nobody else would drive 3rd Puma there, probably. It's really up to the promoter what they do in the situation of one driver with top tier car, but who isn't competitive against lower tier drivers.

And as you said, he supports Munster and there are already hints that Munster will drive the Puma at the end of the season.

[mknight]

Unlike Solber/Formaux/Taka who are killing it in 7th place till they crash

Obviously since Gryazin won very few rallies even though he drives all the time someone else must have won them....Rossel is one of those. Plenty more (besides WRC drivers like Mikkelsen, Suninen, Østberg and Lappi) you have Lindholm, Huttunen, Lukyanuk.

Indeed unlike Solberg and Fourmaux who won one rally each in Rally2 before going to WRC/Rally1.

Anyway the biggest surprise so far in WRC2 is Pepe Lopez.

[seb_sh]

Maybe time to go to bed guys, that's not what we talk about here.

Back on topic Evans had a good run, looks like his form in Japan was not an accident.

[Eli]

Maybe time to go to bed guys, that's not what we talk about here.

Back on topic Evans had a good run, looks like his form in Japan was not an accident.

Looks like he and the team did fine tune the car for him, hopefully he can keep it up tomorrow & not muck it up.

[Kras]

Get your grammar correct and then answer again..
If that one guy would have spoken/acted the same as Lukyanuk, then nobody wouldn't have anything against him. But as he hasn't said anything, then he shouldn't race in WRC.

That's all rich coming from an englisman. How many languages do you speak? How many people did Tony Blair kill? When did Richard Burns apologize for Iraq?

[Norm75]

It’s rallying we are following. Leave the bickering and racism to the football fans

[Kras]

It’s rallying we are following. Leave the bickering and racism to the football fans

I agree. Good night

[J4MIE]

Being last is not something anyone aspires to. What kind of argument is that?

Does that mean he has done better than you?

Results aren’t everything. If the aim is to go out and enjoy yourself going rallying, then I’m sure he’s succeeding.

[EstWRC]

Btw Tänaks gravel crew is Ken Torn - Kuldar Sikk not Markko Märtin like it was reported here and in Twitter in the beginning of the week

[EstWRC]

Kalle and Neuville in the same corner

https://twitter.com/mundorallyes/status/1616184464199008282?s=46&t=sIy2JURrLzUXx89kaa3dVg

https://twitter.com/rallysolo/status/1616182846112022552?s=46&t=sIy2JURrLzUXx89kaa3dVg

[Eli]

Kalle and Neuville in the same corner

https://twitter.com/mundorallyes/status/1616184464199008282?s=46&t=sIy2JURrLzUXx89kaa3dVg

https://twitter.com/rallysolo/status/1616182846112022552?s=46&t=sIy2JURrLzUXx89kaa3dVg

Very nice! finally some outside footage ;)
Thanks for posting it.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

SS2 action
https://youtu.be/v3KILTDTL_4

[Fast Eddie WRC]

M-Sport & Tanak happy after solving his car issue... https://twitter.com/MSportLtd/status/1616208107293577228?s=20&t=e2KYQOvGHMwr8GoB2ga1pw

[Myrvold]

Being last is not something anyone aspires to. What kind of argument is that?

Having fun, and doing what makes you happy should be something everyone should aim for.
If that is using your own money to drive a rally1 car, why the heck not?

The only reason it's a "problem" is due to the lack of seats in the top class. It's not like we didn't have multiple Serderidis' back in the "golden days". The 2000 season is a year with a fair amount of rides. 10 full time cars, loads of part time factory cars. 24 A8 cars at Monte. Almost 1hr40 min after Mäkinen was the slowest A8 - beaten by all classes except N1. Granted, it was an older car, but you could find an Impreza 1998 barely inside the top 40, just like the slowest Group A/WRC car, he was there due to pace, not issues. Same in Sweden, WRC cars in the last half of the results, due to pace.
If you go through any WRC event in 2000, you are (almost) hitting a rally where you have one or more top class car(s) way down the field due to a lack of pace. I can't understand that a driver can, after multiple stages in a top-class car, being behind a Group N1 car (we are talking Renault 4, Rover Mini Cooper etc.), even after a day it was the same. I am sure they had fun doing so though.

There has always, and will always be slow people with money who wants to have fun, why not appreciate that rally is a place where this can be done. There are less and less chances for these things in motorsport sadly. And if said slow people, also financially support other driver(s), what's the issue? Want to get rid of more drivers as well?

Serderidis is a symptom. Removing the symptom doesn't cure the reason for the symptom showing.

[dimviii]

https://youtu.be/qsMrbVjN7ZA

[dimviii]

Serderidis is a symptom. Removing the symptom doesn't cure the reason for the symptom showing.

i found the ''symptom''

https://twitter.com/paddocknews/status/1616185309351264267
http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_01_2023/post-1181-0-01316300-1674164203.jpg

[WRC1]

Having fun, and doing what makes you happy should be something everyone should aim for.
If that is using your own money to drive a rally1 car, why the heck not?

The only reason it's a "problem" is due to the lack of seats in the top class. It's not like we didn't have multiple Serderidis' back in the "golden days". The 2000 season is a year with a fair amount of rides. 10 full time cars, loads of part time factory cars. 24 A8 cars at Monte. Almost 1hr40 min after Mäkinen was the slowest A8 - beaten by all classes except N1. Granted, it was an older car, but you could find an Impreza 1998 barely inside the top 40, just like the slowest Group A/WRC car, he was there due to pace, not issues. Same in Sweden, WRC cars in the last half of the results, due to pace.
If you go through any WRC event in 2000, you are (almost) hitting a rally where you have one or more top class car(s) way down the field due to a lack of pace. I can't understand that a driver can, after multiple stages in a top-class car, being behind a Group N1 car (we are talking Renault 4, Rover Mini Cooper etc.), even after a day it was the same. I am sure they had fun doing so though.

There has always, and will always be slow people with money who wants to have fun, why not appreciate that rally is a place where this can be done. There are less and less chances for these things in motorsport sadly. And if said slow people, also financially support other driver(s), what's the issue? Want to get rid of more drivers as well?

Serderidis is a symptom. Removing the symptom doesn't cure the reason for the symptom showing.

everything you wrote is correct! even in almost every national championship there a rich guys with not sooo much talent in good and very good cars! all good!

BUT why the whole world have to see this in live stream??? they show Serderidis as he is crawling through the stage, not even pushes the gas on long straights and they dont show us Gryazin who flies trough the stages!
And this getting worse, tomorrow he will be almost sure the FIRST car on the road and gets the full audience, he gets more wrc live time than the best in the world and that is not ok....he should get the starting position he deserves, he can have his fun also as last car on the road

[Rallyest]

Kalle and Neuville in the same corner

https://twitter.com/mundorallyes/status/1616184464199008282?s=46&t=sIy2JURrLzUXx89kaa3dVg

https://twitter.com/rallysolo/status/1616182846112022552?s=46&t=sIy2JURrLzUXx89kaa3dVg

Kalles "moment" seemed much bigger from inside view than from outside.

[denkimi]

everything you wrote is correct! even in almost every national championship there a rich guys with not sooo much talent in good and very good cars! all good!

BUT why the whole world have to see this in live stream??? they show Serderidis as he is crawling through the stage, not even pushes the gas on long straights and they dont show us Gryazin who flies trough the stages!
And this getting worse, tomorrow he will be almost sure the FIRST car on the road and gets the full audience, he gets more wrc live time than the best in the world and that is not ok....he should get the starting position he deserves, he can have his fun also as last car on the road
I agree. He should be put somewhere between the last rc2 cars. If he wants to drive a wrc car he can do it, but nobody else should be bothered by it.

[Zoli]

Kalle and Neuville in the same corner

https://twitter.com/mundorallyes/status/1616184464199008282?s=46&t=sIy2JURrLzUXx89kaa3dVg

https://twitter.com/rallysolo/status/1616182846112022552?s=46&t=sIy2JURrLzUXx89kaa3dVg

According to multiple sources on Twitter and French TV also reported that Italians brought the water onto the road from the puddle next to it, that created the ice in that corner.

[EstWRC]

According to multiple sources on Twitter and French TV also reported that Italians brought the water onto the road from the puddle next to it, that created the ice in that corner.

Not sure. How come Tänak had it in the notes then. Martin says “black” before the corner to Tänak

[cali]

Oh I see we have someone moderating this forum, good! ;)

[Rallyest]

2366

[doubled1978]

2366

Slot - 100 - into tunnel?

[EstWRC]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fm5iRDLXkAEcGro?format=jpg&name=small

[AnttiL]

Ogier risking with five Pirellis. And bluuford has given instructions for M-Sport to use only softs?

[ouvreur]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fm5iRDLXkAEcGro?format=jpg&name=small

Section 3? Why are Pirelli already publishing this afternoon's tyre choices? :laugh:

[AnttiL]

Section 3? Why are Pirelli already publishing this afternoon's tyre choices? :laugh:

There was a regroup after SS1 so today we have Sections 3 and 4.

[denkimi]

Ogier risking with five Pirellis. And bluuford has given instructions for M-Sport to use only softs?
Seems ogier goes for win or bin. But why not, he can afford it.

[Tauri_J]

Ogier with one spare...spicy

[EstWRC]

Is it just me or Tänak seems to be so cautious?

[macebig]

M-Sport clearly gambled on Super Softs not making it. They were gonna lose some time early on. We ll see if their strategy is right and they can make up the time as the day progresses.

[meh]

Is it just me or Tänak seems to be so cautious?

In a way expected I guess. First stages in new car. If you bin it, you just going to loose all really required kilometers to get experience.

[Rallyest]

Loubet on great pace

[EstWRC]

Lappi “The cars are the same” doing great so far

I like the guy a lot but he is always digging a grave for himself with this sayings

Like last summer he said “I’ll be rather at home then at Hyundai “

[EstWRC]

Loubet doing great

On Tänaks pace

[Rallyest]

Wondering if they didnt have a better picture of Alexandre :D 2367


Looking straight into my soul

[Essaj]

Like last summer he said “I’ll be rather at home then at Hyundai “

Can you show me where/when he said this?:rolleyes:

[EstWRC]

Can you show me where/when he said this?:rolleyes:

During rally Estonia or Finland last year

Last night the Estonian tv presenters were joking that he must be homeless then if he chose Hyundai

So I’m not the only one remembering it

[DrLill]

Can you show me where/when he said this?:rolleyes:


https://sport.postimees.ee/7588154/lappi-naeris-voimaluse-hyundai-eest-soita-valja-ma-oleks-pigem-kodus

[240RS]

The divide between the "A" listers (Ogier, Rovanpera, Neuville, Tanak, Evans) and the rest has never been more pronounced.

There are drivers who can live with them on the odd stage or stages, but when it comes to stringing a whole load of times you can't fail but notice there is a clear trend. Dani Sordo looks sadly way past it making me wonder whether he is really the better option when compared to Craig Breen. Katsuta and Loubet are showing great promise, and may very well get there, but for now it's the top five in command.

[dimviii]

Fourmaux slower from Ingram,Cais,Bulacia,Lopez...

[mknight]

The divide between the "A" listers (Ogier, Rovanpera, Neuville, Tanak, Evans) and the rest has never been more pronounced.

There are drivers who can live with them on the odd stage or stages, but when it comes to stringing a whole load of times you can't fail but notice there is a clear trend. Dani Sordo looks sadly way past it making me wonder whether he is really the better option when compared to Craig Breen.

Tanak was a "B" lister at Hyundai often enough.
Evans at Toyota most of last year.
Ogier and Neuville have a long list of weak Finlad/Estonia type rallies.

So the "divide" might be clear on a single rally or two but over more rallies its not the same.

---------------
Sordo dropped a lot in pace with Rally1s last year, was surprising he actually went for more starts this year rather than retiring. But at least he can finish the rallly at decent pace (which got him podiums last year), hard to argue that Breen with 5 crashes in 6 starts is the better option. He might but at this point it is extremely uncertain card.

[cali]

Fourmaux slower from Ingram,Cais,Bulacia,Lopez...

C'mon this was expected. Fiesta R5 just is not good enough against the competition

[Galev62]

Fourmaux slower from Ingram,Cais,Bulacia,Lopez...
Because the Fiesta rally 2 is shit. Shows how good Huttunen is. At least he beat these guys with it.

[EstWRC]

Delay?

[RS]

Nice time by Solberg on SS3, begins his fightback.

[Rallyest]

Where did the studs come from? lol

[dimviii]

C'mon this was expected. Fiesta R5 just is not good enough against the competition

yeap,also Munster with same time,0,4 slower from Fourmaux

[RS]

Bumper cam so much better than wonky dash cam.

[dimviii]

i see sun at stage.Lets see how they will cope the superofts
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fm58WLgWQAEXV_C?format=jpg&name=900x900

[EstWRC]

Great battle between Tänak, Neuville and Rovanperä

[Rallyper]

he should step back for 2 years into WRC3...WRC2 is too early for him....

Yes, he should. First ever driver getting a puncture in Monte. He´s finished.

Wait... he won SS3.

[Rallyest]

Taka flying

[EstWRC]

What the hell taka. Where this came from

[Sulland]

Because the Fiesta rally 2 is shit. Shows how good Huttunen is. At least he beat these guys with it.

The Fiesta is normally not far off on asphalt, it ot on gravel/white stuff it is far behind the opposition.

[mknight]

Yes, he should. First ever driver getting a puncture in Monte. He´s finished.

Wait... he won SS3.

Here we go again...

Winning stages even by huge margins (which this wasn't) is not what his aim should be in WRC2 (and not really in WRC either). He has shown already in 2019-20 that he can be fast on single stages.
It's connecting the fast stages to good results (first rally then championship) that should be the goal.

Puncture already in second stage of the season doesn't look promising. I would applaud him being 1-2 secs slower than fastest Rally2 cars and staying on podium more than this.

[EstWRC]

What’s the problem with ewrc, too much traffic?

[RS]

Here we go again...

Winning stages even by huge margins (which this wasn't) is not what his aim should be in WRC2 (and not really in WRC either). He has shown already in 2019-20 that he can be fast on single stages.
It's connecting the fast stages to good results (first rally then championship) that should be the goal.

Puncture already in second stage of the season doesn't look promising. I would applaud him being 1-2 secs slower than fastest Rally2 cars and staying on podium more than this.

He is not scoring points this weekend so doesn’t need a podium.. he may as well explore the limits of the new car with no pressure.

[Galev62]

The Fiesta is normally not far off on asphalt, it ot on gravel/white stuff it is far behind the opposition.
All other Rally 2s get updates for this season but fiesta doesnt. Engine is the biggest problem. The car seems to be ok to drive but there is just not enough power.
Msport still have some jokers left to update it. They promised updates already last season mainly to the engine but they were nowhere to be seen.

[EstWRC]

Ogier without a hybrid and such a time. Lol

[Galev62]

The Fiesta is normally not far off on asphalt, it ot on gravel/white stuff it is far behind the opposition.
It was not far off on asphalt 2 seasons ago but now in my opinion is far off on every surface as the other cars get better. Suninen 2 years ago had to push like hell with it to get competive times against Skodas.

[Rallyper]

Here we go again...

Winning stages even by huge margins (which this wasn't) is not what his aim should be in WRC2 (and not really in WRC either). He has shown already in 2019-20 that he can be fast on single stages.
It's connecting the fast stages to good results (first rally then championship) that should be the goal.

Puncture already in second stage of the season doesn't look promising. I would applaud him being 1-2 secs slower than fastest Rally2 cars and staying on podium more than this.

My sarcasm was, if you didn´t get it, over another sarcasm hinting about WRC3... or was that a serious quote?

[EstWRC]

I’m really impressed by Loubet so far. Apart from ss2 he is not far away from Tänak at all

[dimviii]

I’m really impressed by Loubet so far. Apart from ss2 he is not far away from Tänak at all

LOUBET LIFTED BECAUSE OF PUNCTURE
Loubet had started SS4 well, but he backed out midway through, believing he had picked up a puncture.

[Sulland]

Oliver is in Monte for one reson only, getting to know the new car. He will probably test different settings, to find the limit.

But it is always good with a stagewin under your belt!

[dimviii]

FOURMAUX OFF BRIEFLY AT THE FINISH
Fourmaux says he "cannot do more" and he certainly showed that at the end of the stage, dropping off into a field!

[EstWRC]

What a lucky man kalle

[Rallyper]

What a lucky man kalle

Not only lucky. He managed his fault very good.

[wyler]

What a lucky man kalle

seems he was on a big push...

[spyros]

7,7 secs faster than Tanak.

[EstWRC]

What the hell kalle did on this stage

Incredible time with the moment