Acropolis Rally Greece 2022 (8-11 Sep)

[cali]

Some people are discussing it, but Dirtfish clearly is trying to make a scandal out of it and judging by some posts in this thread, some people see it as a scandal.This team order discussion started here and with my friends way earlier than the DF published first news about it.
DF as a publication ofc is milking the very last out of it and this is also very normal for every news outlet in the World.

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[Maui J.]

What a turn around from the "finnish village team", some older members will remember well...

Exactly my thoughts.
Once again NOT shows us he knows nothing about rallying. So according to him Toyota are the only professional team. How many times in 2016, before they even entered a rally, did he call them the village idiots that would fail on race day and then disappear into rallying obscurity.

His comments are just uneducated sensationalism trying to gain votes with the younger forum audience.
Anyway, I thought he was banned.

Well done Hyundai on a 1-2-3.

[skarderud]

Yeah, i saw him put out normal, adult, posts before the rally, thats nice!
But in the end of the rally he is back as usual, sadly enough.

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[jonkka]

Anyway, I thought he was banned.

I was wondering the same but as I added NOT to my ignore list, I noticed that it's a new account as the previous one (N.O.T) already was on my ignore list.

[Rallyper]

And Virves is JWRC champion!

amazinngggggg. he has really made an big step forward this year with speed and also stabiity

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FcX7QDLXkAABo8E?format=jpg&name=large

With Swedish female co-driver, Julia Thulin!

[AnttiL]

With Swedish female co-driver, Julia Thulin!

Only on the last two rallies, with Aleks Lesk on the first ones.

JWRC co-driver title went to Brian Hoy

https://twitter.com/FIAJuniorWRC/status/1568937889207304193

[EstWRC]

And great to hear that Tänak has been helping Virves


Q: We just had Ott Tänak in the WRC press conference and asked him what he thought about you and your result, and he was full of praise for you. How much has he been supporting you and advising you?

RV: He has been supporting me financially this year, making it also possible just to start the season so yeah, it’s been a great help from him. And of course if I have any questions about how to do anything on the stages or whatever he is the first one that I text.

[PLuto]

Only on the last two rallies, with Aleks Lesk on the first ones.

JWRC co-driver title went to Brian Hoy

https://twitter.com/FIAJuniorWRC/status/1568937889207304193

This is what I never liked. To have different champions betwen driver and codriver...

[AnttiL]

This is what I never liked. To have different champions betwen driver and codriver...

It's especially weird in the case of JWRC when the driver is the one who gets the prize.

[meh]

maybe it is already somewhere many pages ago, but link to "Acropolis Rally Greece 2022 Post-event Press Conference":
https://www.fia.com/news/wrc-acropolis-rally-greece-tneuville-get-1-2-3-weekend-feels-amazing

[WRCStan]

This is what I never liked. To have different champions betwen driver and codriver...

And having the wrong different codriver crowned. Enni Mälkönen won when the rules as they are written are actually applied.

[AnttiL]

And having the wrong different codriver crowned. Enni Mälkönen won when the rules as they are written are actually applied.

How?

[MartijnS]

We had a really good rally this year!
Shakedown and SS1 on thursday were nice. Good atmosphere at the stadium!

Friday we did Harvati first, than Loutraki 2, few minutes by car, perfect!
Left Loutraki 2 after the WRCs and made it just in time at Livadia and after that also Bauxites with a very good spot at the final corners. Excellent day!

Saturday 3 stages, Perivoli 1, Pyrgos 2 and Tarzan 2. Good spots, but not as good as fridays :)
Sunday 2 stages, first Elatia-Rengini at the watersplash and than the powerstage.

Before the rally we were convinced next year we would choose Sardinia next year instead of Greece, but not sure now after this weekend. Photos will follow later!

[RallyFan13]

Video from Leg3 final day of Acropolis Rally,Subscribe to our channel for more videos!
https://youtu.be/h683G9ufCak

[WRCStan]

How?

OK let me get my tie on and a peg on my nose.

Double points in Greece should only apply to the driver and they haven't nilled off one poor co-drivers round in the standings. Hoy and Korhonen have more points than Armstrong and Joona, should that make any sense? Unless I'm missing something, like Malkonen being a senior which shouldn't be a problem, I guess they have a secret clubhouse reason to crown Hoy. That's fine, it's how it goes, we've been here before and if she's not bothered, I'm not.

FIA are yet to publish their version of the standings though.

[meh]

and the most important after-rally topic is ready to be opened for you :)

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/colin-clarks-2022-acropolis-rally-driver-ratings/

[mknight]

For once I'd give Sordo much less, like 5/10. Long time since he was so slow vs others on gravel.

Same with Katsuta, he had 40s slower time on gravel stages than a Rally2 car. 2/10

Breen 5/10 max, but that's just a detail.

Surprised he gave Greensmith so little, I'd even consider giving 5/10.

[DoN_cz]

Back from the rally. We made a wise move and booked ourself an accommodation in Loutraki for one night, so we didn't have to drive the mega long road section so early on Friday morning. Saw SS 2/4 (Loutraki) and then moved to SS 6 (Livadia) by the powerplant (tip by NOT). Unfortunately our rental car had a puncture over there, so we arrived quite late and couldn't pick the best viewing spot, but still a nice place. On Saturday we took it easy and just did SS 9/12 (Perivoli) twice, with lunch, regroup and service in between. Sunday on Elatia at the watersplash. Have to say, Loutraki city is so much nicer than Lamia... Wouldn't mind if the rally moved over there in the future.

But could someone explain me the thinking of Greek rally fans? This happend on every stage: as soon as there is somebody trying to cross the stage between cars, all the greek people suddenly go very hysterical and begin shouting, whistling etc. Even though you are at a place where you can see/hear the car for kilometers before they reach you and you know, there are 3 minutes intervals. And at the same time you see other Greek people standing in the most stupid places, taking selfies in hairpins and nobody cares. Was quite fascinating.

[EstWRC]

Nice video https://youtu.be/KhX-XHRsuqo

[NOT]

But could someone explain me the thinking of Greek rally fans? This happend on every stage: as soon as there is somebody trying to cross the stage between cars, all the greek people suddenly go very hysterical and begin shouting, whistling etc. Even though you are at a place where you can see/hear the car for kilometers before they reach you and you know, there are 3 minutes intervals. And at the same time you see other Greek people standing in the most stupid places, taking selfies in hairpins and nobody cares. Was quite fascinating.

its tradition... no hard feelings.

[NOT]

and the most important after-rally topic is ready to be opened for you :)

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/colin-clarks-2022-acropolis-rally-driver-ratings/

this pseudo-reporter that follows the wrc for decades and still hasn't got a clue is something else... its really amazing.

he should include team ratings as well to see if he has any balls critising m-sport.

[EstWRC]

Passats de Canto vid https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtGRH3YoVwM

[ouvreur]

this pseudo-reporter that follows the wrc for decades and still hasn't got a clue is something else... its really amazing.

he should include team ratings as well to see if he has any balls critising m-sport.

At this stage it's hard to know if he gives such moronic ratings because he is incompetent, or just to generate clicks / discussion. I hope for his sake it's the latter, but either way, you can't help but get the feeling that pretty much anyone else could do a better job.

[AndyRAC]

Well, to be fair he's not really a rally expert. He came into the sport from a marketing/ promotion background...

[AnttiL]

Well, to be fair he's not really a rally expert. He came into the sport from a marketing/ promotion background...

How can you become a rally expert then? Only by being first a driver?

[Hartusvuori]

How can you become a rally expert then? Only by being first a driver?

You must born to race.

[AndyRAC]

How can you become a rally expert then? Only by being first a driver?

The same as being an expert in any subject........

Being a sportsman doesn't automatically mean you know everything; we see that quite often in lots of sports coverage/ analysis. The ex professional talking nonsense is a regular occurrence.

[cali]

The same as being an expert in any subject........

Being a sportsman doesn't automatically mean you know everything; we see that quite often in lots of sports coverage/ analysis. The ex professional talking nonsense is a regular occurrence.
The problem with him is that while not having any background in rallying and in many years being close to almost everything in rallying he has not evolved even close to expert level.
While even recently I have started to agree on some of his thoughts, he is still way way way off and mostly talking nonsense.

[ouvreur]

The problem with him is that while not having any background in rallying and in many years being close to almost everything in rallying he has not evolved even close to expert level.
While even recently I have started to agree on some of his thoughts, he is still way way way off and mostly talking nonsense.

That's what does it for me. He's been paid to be around the sport for years, and at times he comes out with the sort of crap someone watching their first rally would be embarrassed to say...

[meh]

"- Let's try to make the right decisions in the tests now. It didn't work out in Greece - it went wrong on all of us, and it wasn't just the drivers' fault, says Rovanperä."
(Google translated, hopefully there is no "lost in translation" issue here)

https://www.rallit.fi/kalle-rovanperalla-ja-toyotalla-edessa-tarkeat-paivat-yritetaan-tehda-oikeat-paatokset/

So Rovanperä makes critical and public statement, that team made mistake. Something new for me.

[AnttiL]

Estonia 2020? Arctic 2021? Even Finland 2021? I think they admitted they tested on wrong types of roads

[dimviii]

Going into more detail on the issue which ended his Acropolis, the Frenchman believes the alternator bearing was to blame.

“I took everything apart to make the alternator loose so that we could put the belt back on and make it strong,” he explained. “I rebuilt everything and it was on a downhill, so we could jump-start the car.

“The engine started but 200 metres later it switched off again. The belt had jumped off again, so I think the bearing of the alternator broke was broke.”

https://www.wrc.com/en/news/2022/wrc/loeb-backs-puma-potential/

[Sergiow]

Going into more detail on the issue which ended his Acropolis, the Frenchman believes the alternator bearing was to blame.

“I took everything apart to make the alternator loose so that we could put the belt back on and make it strong,” he explained. “I rebuilt everything and it was on a downhill, so we could jump-start the car.

“The engine started but 200 metres later it switched off again. The belt had jumped off again, so I think the bearing of the alternator broke was broke.”

https://www.wrc.com/en/news/2022/wrc/loeb-backs-puma-potential/

The WRC Rally 1 top class is not fun anymore. Each rally this year has become more and more a lottery because of technical problems, handling problems which vary from Rally to Rally, from team to team. This is much less a factor with the current Rally 2 cars which are much more durable. I would be happy to trade in the Rally 1 cars for a much closer fight with Rally 2 and Rally 3 cars only.

[br21]

Rumours say next year base will be in Loutraki

[RudiH]

It is not a rumour, the maire of loutraki confirmed it to us "on stage", deal for 2 years, minister of sport equally present, acknowledged

[meh]

The WRC Rally 1 top class is not fun anymore. Each rally this year has become more and more a lottery because of technical problems, handling problems which vary from Rally to Rally, from team to team. This is much less a factor with the current Rally 2 cars which are much more durable. I would be happy to trade in the Rally 1 cars for a much closer fight with Rally 2 and Rally 3 cars only.

How long you have followed rallying? It has always been like that.

[Co-driven]

Rumours say next year base will be in Loutraki

On one hand, Loutraki maybe has more to offer regarding structure for the teams. On the other hand, those traditional stages are bit far away...

[dimviii]

https://www-dirtfish.imgix.net/2022/09/10_Tanak10GRE22tb503.jpg?fit=scale&fm=pjpg&h=760&ixlib=php-1.2.1&q=70&w=1140&wpsize=gallery-carousel

more Mc Klein photos
https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/mcklein-the-top-10-acropolis-rally-2022-photos/

[MartijnS]

On one hand, Loutraki maybe has more to offer regarding structure for the teams. On the other hand, those traditional stages are bit far away...

Rally 10/11 years ago from Loutraki was perfect imo.

[bomber21]

Loutraki stages are also traditional and easier to follow.

Also Loutraki is a nicer city next to the beach. To be honest, I have missed SS Klenia a bit!

[NOT]

It would be a good choice to move the rally from Lamia to loutraki.

[macebig]

There will probably be a new government and new mayors in Loutraki and Lamia by this time next year,so take nothing for granted. Even the rally itself could well not take place... It's just the sad truth.

[NOT]

There will probably be a new government and new mayors in Loutraki and Lamia by this time next year,so take nothing for granted. Even the rally itself could well not take place... It's just the sad truth.

isn't the contract for 3 years ? so next years rally is guaranteed ?

[macebig]

Without the vast government support the last iterations of Acropolis have received, nothing is guaranteed. Don't think especially you need to be told how things work in Greece...

[bomber21]

Lets not spread rumors once again. Rally Acropolis has contract for at least one more year. Lets not speculate.

[NOT]

Its not that i trust greeks... but i trust the FIA vultures when it comes to money that they have their asses covered.

[SubaruNorway]

Going into more detail on the issue which ended his Acropolis, the Frenchman believes the alternator bearing was to blame.

“I took everything apart to make the alternator loose so that we could put the belt back on and make it strong,” he explained. “I rebuilt everything and it was on a downhill, so we could jump-start the car.

“The engine started but 200 metres later it switched off again. The belt had jumped off again, so I think the bearing of the alternator broke was broke.”

https://www.wrc.com/en/news/2022/wrc/loeb-backs-puma-potential/

Same as I mentioned, those one way bearings tend to break. Had to bend the belt back on by loosening the alternator since had no tool

[dimviii]

lol Isabelle couldnt change a wheel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmIssNebrII

[dimviii]

WHY THE WRC AND ACROPOLIS RALLY NEED EACH OTHER
TOUGHER THAN THE SAFARI AND A CLASSIC, THE GREEK ROUND OF THE WORLD RALLY CHAMPIONSHIP IS A MUST, ARGUES DAVID EVANS

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/why-the-wrc-and-acropolis-rally-need-each-other/

[Fredouye]

Back from this wonderful rally :)

We spent 2 days on holidays and 3 days for recce, and managed to see shakedown and 7 SS. But damn we d’ère exhausted on friday evening :D

All my photos are here : https://flic.kr/s/aHBqjA6V4A

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[Yugo_para_siempre]

If the rally will be rebased at Loutraki, we will support it and enjoy it.

But honestly I do not like so much the stages near Loutraki and Northeast Peloponnese that will be the main ones.

In such case they may include Dafni and Livadia from this year's edition, but regarding Bauxites or more stages from Central Greece, they are almost impossible to include with 300-320 competitive kms.
At 2012 edition which had more than 400 competitive kms they were able to include also Drossohori (mainly reversed Gravia), but this was the most they could do even with so many kms.

From Northeast Peloponnese I really like SS Ziria, it is simply fantastic, the landscape, fast flowing road mainly or extremely fast in some places.
But the rest stages, cannot much the classics from Central Greece, in my opinion.

In any case we will follow.

[MartijnS]

Some of my photos of the rally!

https://scontent-ams2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/306124279_741385030286586_5723227875613000658_n.jp g?_nc_cat=100&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=0debeb&_nc_ohc=V8tHh2sKXk0AX-VW6Re&_nc_ht=scontent-ams2-1.xx&oh=00_AT-paDJnm787Cl54gPj_xAVpcnMM-m0bWmQpUuWja7s2lg&oe=63275B00

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More at https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?vanity=rallymedia&set=a.741387423619680 :)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

46 mins to re-shell a rally car.. great job by Toksport:
https://www.wrc.com/en/video/player/?videoId=1522285

[dimviii]

Some of my photos of the rally!

always you find the best spots,congrats MartijnS!!

[macebig]

Seems like Toksport guys put in quite the overtime this weekend. Rebuilding one car and then doing some flashback road side service on Mikkelsen in the middle of the night.

[RudiH]

Options from Loutraki:
- 1995 SS Veniza (near cost road north of Loutraki towards Erithres)
- 1995 SS Mandra
- 1995 SS Ossios Meletios (parts of 2022 Dafni)
- 1995 SS Kitheronas (near Vilia)
- 2001 SS Pateras
- 2006 SS Psatha
- 2006 SS Agia Sotira
- 2007 SS Agia Triada

[AnttiL]

Ossios Meletios beginning is reportedly damaged badly.

Moving the rally to Corinth would make it more of a slow and rough rally.

[spyros]

Ossios Meletios beginning is reportedly damaged badly.

Moving the rally to Corinth would make it more of a slow and rough rally.

Thats true, this year format was good, the rally must remain in central Greece and around the mountains of Lamia ( here in Greece we call it finlamia )

[RallyFan13]

Acropolis Rally 2022 Rally1 Highlights
https://youtu.be/pgars0X8Q3g

[dimviii]

Kalle vs Loubet,or dirty vs swept road
https://twitter.com/jesusmg2192/status/1571127781026824194

[Christos Kolperiadis]

https://youtu.be/ngOJjW_m1js

Another one rally Acropolis came to the end.
A video from our point of view with fast and medium speed spots.



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[EstWRC]

Loeb talking about Tänaks tyre choice while deciding his https://twitter.com/msportltd/status/1573300976886468608?s=46&t=fIrVCSsGrkoLWWKIqcfXCA

[dimviii]

Things can happen but the problem was we were running out of kilometers, and of course we had done some updates on the suspension and we would have needed more kilometers.

“And the boys didn’t have enough kilometers with the new suspension settings, that was basically the problem when we came to the rally – that we had something new which we had not been able to run enough and do the finetuning.”

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/what-really-hampered-toyota-in-greece/

[mknight]

Loeb talking about Tänaks tyre choice while deciding his https://twitter.com/msportltd/status/1573300976886468608?s=46&t=fIrVCSsGrkoLWWKIqcfXCA

I think that actually speaks a great deal about Loeb.

In 2018 he had long experience with those tires and made a "wrong" tire choice based on his experience. This choice won him Catalunya.

This year he is one of the guys with least experience on the tire+ car combination due to few starts and not much testing. So he uses info from others, instead of just getting stuck in "I am 9x champion and I know best".

(Yet sometimes it gets brought up as "bad" when drivers try to copy/use info from other drivers).

[bandit12]

Well. MSport tagging other team driver on their social media... This is most interesting thing on this case...

[wyler]

Well. MSport tagging other team driver on their social media... This is most interesting thing on this case...

reply directly from m-sport! :D
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[RallyFan13]

Congratulations to our Champion Crew
Video for Kalle Rovanpera-Joanne Halttunen From Acropolis Rally!
https://youtu.be/SfSTKNeAQbA

[NOT]

if you want to promote your youtube channel i suggest you visit some nice spectating spots... those places are worthless and you should have stayed home.

[dimviii]

this photo voted as the best from Acropolis. By Nikos Katikis Rallypixels
Photo taken at ss Pyrgos
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FjyDtbJXgAgT-pY?format=jpg&name=medium

[MartijnS]

Not that special ;)

[RallyFan13]

Acropolis Rally 2022 what a race…great atmosphere and great people !!
Enjoy my best of video from Acropolis and please subscribe for more :)
https://youtu.be/pgars0X8Q3g

[bomber21]

According to Acropolis Rally organization:


50.000.000 people watched Acropolis Rally 2022 in total
60.000 spectators were present in SSS in Olympic Stadium of Athens
300.000 spectators were present in the mountains
1,7 mil euros was the cost of the SSS (tickets 1,1 mil and sponsorship 0,6 mil)
30% of the total cost was covered by the Greek State
544 journalists, photographers and technicians from 32 countries came in Greece for the event


They promised 2023 will be special because it will be the 70th edition of the rally.

[DoN_cz]

2023 Based in Loutraki?

[bomber21]

Yes, this is what rumors say in Greece

[Oliverk]

So booking accomondation from last years maps would be premature?
More like 2012?

[bearclaw]

This year our plan is to visit Rally Acropolis (the last European round we are missing in our list). Is it normally possible to enter the stages via start or finish or even to enter the small villages near the start or finish line? Because our experience for example in Portugal was that, even the villages near the start or finish area were spacious blocked by police.

Looking for accommodation is too early? wrc.com says service is in Lamia but as always, maybe they are a bit behind. ;)

[bomber21]

Access to stages in Acropolis Rally has nothing to do with Rally Portugal.
It is more or less free to walk across the stage. Access to villages is free and more or less easy.

If you want to book early, you can book two apartments (with free cancelation): one in Lamia and one in Loutraki.......

[bearclaw]

Access to stages in Acropolis Rally has nothing to do with Rally Portugal.
It is more or less free to walk across the stage. Access to villages is free and more or less easy.

If you want to book early, you can book two apartments (with free cancelation): one in Lamia and one in Loutraki.......

Thanks for your quick answer. That sounds promising – Portugal was way too strict in terms of spectator movement. But I know there is a big difference between the WRC events in every county.

[Tom K]

When you do Acropolis - around Loutraki it will be easier for the debut, I think - you will forget about discgusting and derogatory behaviour of Portuguese police especially GNR unit, which is my favourite around the world, next to guardia civil from Spain:D

[NOT]

This year our plan is to visit Rally Acropolis (the last European round we are missing in our list). Is it normally possible to enter the stages via start or finish or even to enter the small villages near the start or finish line? Because our experience for example in Portugal was that, even the villages near the start or finish area were spacious blocked by police.

Looking for accommodation is too early? wrc.com says service is in Lamia but as always, maybe they are a bit behind. ;)

yes you can enter the stage from the start.. entering it from the finish and moving opposite of the stage flow is dangerous and you could be stopped though.

also some times stages close earlier than the 3 hour limit set by the organisers so i would suggest to be there earlier than that, maybe 4 -4.30 hours just to be safe.

it is really up to the marshals and police though... some are more strict than others.

[bearclaw]

yes you can enter the stage from the start.. entering it from the finish and moving opposite of the stage flow is dangerous and you could be stopped though.

also some times stages close earlier than the 3 hour limit set by the organisers so i would suggest to be there earlier than that, maybe 4 -4.30 hours just to be safe.

it is really up to the marshals and police though... some are more strict than others.

thanks for your help guys – maybe there are one or two more questions from my side when the route will be published.

[PLuto]

Maybe with next questions we can start 2023 edition thread ;)