Rally Croatia 2022

[Essaj]

Neuville handed with additional 1 minute time penalty and 2 days of FIA public service for both Thierry and Martijn. If police would have catched them that would have been few months without drivers license so they still got away pretty lightly.
https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/neuville-handed-public-service-duty-for-road-section-speeding/

[focus206]

Neuville handed with additional 1 minute time penalty and 2 days of FIA public service for both Thierry and Martijn. If police would have catched them that would have been few months without drivers license so they still got away pretty lightly.
https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/neuville-handed-public-service-duty-for-road-section-speeding/

As much as there should be harsher penalties for bad road behaviour, this becomes a joke compared to the 0 seconds penalty Ogier received in last year's Rally Croatia after running a red light and disobeying a police officer. What a pathetic penalty consistency.

[Myrvold]

Neuville handed with additional 1 minute time penalty and 2 days of FIA public service for both Thierry and Martijn. If police would have catched them that would have been few months without drivers license so they still got away pretty lightly.
https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/neuville-handed-public-service-duty-for-road-section-speeding/

Why is it that the FIA are unable to do stuff until something bad actually happens...

[TypeR]

According to Lappi, there is rain on SS11

[TypeR]

Neuville's car not starting out of garage.. another HY error?

engine started and worked after getting out of EV zone

https://www.upload.ee/image/14077835/TN1.jpg

Rovanperä 2 spares(covered) and used rain tyres put on the rear in service
https://www.upload.ee/image/14077838/KR1.jpg

[EstWRC]

Ouch for Neuville

is this the first time in recent years where FIA actually does something results wise ?

[EstWRC]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FRAV1ELXIAAKyOg?format=jpg&name=small

[Rallyper]

Lappi's rock...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FQ9sOrdWQAYd1W1?format=jpg&name=900x900

Ooh, dear!!

[TypeR]

oh boy, the rain tyres will be done on dry tarmac pretty fast..

interesting choice Tänak vs Neuville

[EstWRC]

Interesting choice by Tänak and Kalle indeed

Doesn’t seeM that wet to be honest

[Rallyper]

Morning.

[EstWRC]

oh boy, the rain tyres will be done on dry tarmac pretty fast..

interesting choice Tänak vs Neuville

I have a bad feeling about this too

Seems too dry for the rain tires.

History repeat? Hyundai made wrong tyre choice also last year on Saturday

[TypeR]

Mr Penalty-boy Neuville was 1min late to TC after service and +10s for him :D

Loubet a lot faster than Gus, 13s faster

Solberg changing tyre?

[EstWRC]

Solberg stopped

[AnttiL]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FRAV1ELXIAAKyOg?format=jpg&name=small

At least the new Platak stage, closer to the sea, seems to have rain on it

[jonkka]

Fourmaux not re-starting?

[Rallyper]

Fourmaux not re-starting?

No, too much damage.

[TypeR]

hopefully GPS issue.. Tänak still on start line, 2 minutes already

e: all ok, not allowed to start because Solberg's crash

[Rallyper]

So, what happens to Oliver?

Edit: accident. Crew ok.

[TypeR]

okay, stage stopped, because Solberg crashed, both OK

[EstWRC]

hopefully GPS issue.. Tänak still on start line, 2 minutes already

Stage stopped because of Oliver acciden

They are okay

[TypeR]

must have been pretty heavy crash as live hasn't shown any footage from his car

[Rallyper]

must have been pretty heavy crash as live hasn't shown any footage from his car

Yeah. Seems so... :(

[dimviii]

Rallirinki / Teemu
@HartusvuoriWRC
·
2m
People at SS9 reporting rescue vehicles / fire trucks on the stage. Stage start is stopped for the moment.

[TypeR]

Neuville said he saw a car, but didn't see who's was it.. on a fast section

[Rally Hokkaido]

must have been pretty heavy crash as live hasn't shown any footage from his car

Thierry said it was on a fast section - he couldn't tell who crashed. EDIT TypeR beat me to it!

[bisak]

Do you boys think the best drivers in the world with the sharpest handling cars on gigantic brakes and mega sticky tires should be exempt from pathetic speeding fines because things just don't compare to normal people/cars? It doesn't make sense how a Thierry at 160 is more dangerous than your grandma at 40?

I'm no fan of Thierry, just sounds completely absurd to me.

[Rally Hokkaido]

SS9 cancelled

[dimviii]

WRC - FIA World Rally Championship
@OfficialWRC
·
1m
SS9 is cancelled. SS10 coming up at 0841 CET

[EstWRC]

SS9 cancelled

Kalle and Ott saving rain tires a lot with this decision

[Rallyper]

So maybe spectators involved? Hope not.

[erikli2]

Not good for the drivers who completed the stage, more tire wear than the rest.

[Eli]

Stage 9 cancelled now, I’m sorry but Oliver should’ve gone back to a rally2 car, do a season or two with it and come back when he’s a bit older.

[AnttiL]

Do you boys think the best drivers in the world with the sharpest handling cars on gigantic brakes and mega sticky tires should be exempt from pathetic speeding fines because things just don't compare to normal people/cars? It doesn't make sense how a Thierry at 160 is more dangerous than your grandma at 40?

I'm no fan of Thierry, just sounds completely absurd to me.

Handling wise it's true but there are other people in the traffic, and visibility from these cars in traffic is bad. You're sitting low and can't see much to the sides, and the mirrors are small (if you still have them on after hitting haybales on stages).

I think it's a good move from FIA to give this time penalty for speeding, hopefully drivers learn that it's not a good idea to prevent lateness.

[AnttiL]

must have been pretty heavy crash as live hasn't shown any footage from his car

Did we have any footage from the start of the stage anyyway? It's a long stage and they can cover only a section of it.

Reportedly fire trucks were seen on the stage

https://twitter.com/HartusvuoriWRC/status/1517748981597671424

[Tauri_J]

Do you boys think the best drivers in the world with the sharpest handling cars on gigantic brakes and mega sticky tires should be exempt from pathetic speeding fines because things just don't compare to normal people/cars? It doesn't make sense how a Thierry at 160 is more dangerous than your grandma at 40?

I'm no fan of Thierry, just sounds completely absurd to me.

Not sure, If you Are joking or not

[AnttiL]

Not sure, If you Are joking or not

Based on earlier messages, not joking.

[TypeR]

other cars re-routed and not driving thru the stage..

[Got Mail]

https://twitter.com/NenadNikolich/status/1517753411202125824/photo/1

[bandit12]

Based on earlier messages, not joking.

Last year Ogier rammed police.... No penalties...

[TypeR]

rear of the car fully on fire.. total loss
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FRAkrblXwAALD2z?format=jpg&name=small

[Rallyper]

Stage 9 cancelled now, I’m sorry but Oliver should’ve gone back to a rally2 car, do a season or two with it and come back when he’s a bit older.

You talk against better knowledge.

[Rallyper]

rear of the car fully on fire.. total loss
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FRAkrblXwAALD2z?format=jpg&name=small

Big relief. Only material things. Driver error should be the case... though...

[dimviii]

we cant see clearly the right back corner,but it is not like a big crash to create a fire.
strange

[dimviii]

https://www.ewrc-results.com/video/39405-wrc-croatia-solberg-crash-car-on-fire/

[TypeR]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RV_zm-QOYJc

big slide and rear ended to a tree or smth

edit: not available anymore


https://twitter.com/ShakedownFR/status/1517763228364943360?s=20&t=by-BFPvMaJyNAiYVuPvtuA

this should work, Solberg's crash video

[Rallyper]

we cant see clearly the right back corner,but it is not like a big crash to create a fire.
strange

Maybe woods made a hole in petroltank when going off...?

[Tauri_J]

Big relief. Only material things. Driver error should be the case... though...

Probably crashed with back end first and then exhaust lighted the fire.

[Eli]

You talk against better knowledge.

Against better knowledge? how?

[dimviii]

the green/red warning light doesnt work?

[EstWRC]

this stage even more dry than previous one

[Rallyper]

Against better knowledge? how?

You better find out yourself.

[Rallyper]

Why 4 min gap?

[Tauri_J]

Why 4 min gap?

Julien said that those who didnt run SS9 could catch up to this stage on time.

Dunnno if he's right though

[Rallyper]

So temporary then?

[dimviii]

hmsgofficial
@HMSGOfficial
· 3m
#WRC ���� UPDATE @OliverSolberg01 & @EAERallying had a spin in SS9 and went off the road damaging the rear of the car. The exhaust caught fire and the rear of the car started burning. The fire was put out shortly after. We will recover the car and investigate the damage.

[TypeR]

SS9 notional times for Tänak, Breen, Rovanperä, Evans

[EstWRC]

It seems it doesn’t matter which tyre you have

Although I think wet is better for late startes with the dirtier road

[dimviii]

hmsgofficial
@HMSGOfficial
·
4m
Replying to
@HMSGOfficial
,
@OliverSolberg01
and
@EAERallying
The fire triggered the red light on the hybrid unit and the car will have now go through the related FIA safety procedures. The issue will be investigated further.

[TypeR]

Rovanperä took it very easy, 10.6 slower than Tänak

[René]

The fire triggered the red light on the hybrid unit and the car will have now go through the related FIA safety procedures. The issue will be investigated further. @HMSGOfficial


https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x8a99j3

[dimviii]

just after crash
https://twitter.com/ma_ipp/status/1517772278519447552


after fire

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FRA2TaDWYAITst7?format=jpg&name=small

[Fast Eddie WRC]

EP with early spin !

[SubaruNorway]

Oliver's off yesterday at 4:30 in SS6 saw they missed it in the copy paste highlights

[Rallyper]

SS11 will be hard for those on softs...

[Eli]

What a half spin by Lappi, will be a carnage stage out there for the crews taking 4 softs.

[er88]

So slippery. Tanak and Kalle with a great tyre choice

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Full wet runners should smash the others in this stage.

[Eli]

It seems it doesn’t matter which tyre you have

Although I think wet is better for late startes with the dirtier road

Will definitely matter here, good Ott took those four full wets ey?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Hairy conditions with those white lines.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Neuville oof, close to being off.

[SubaruNorway]

Another penalty for Neuville for not stopping...?
https://youtu.be/AOqVVYn5vEE

[TypeR]

Another penalty for Neuville for not stopping...?
https://youtu.be/AOqVVYn5vEE

basically didn't even lift..
he said that he didn't understand who it was.. car was straight in front of him..

[Essaj]

Mid stage donut? that seems fairly dangerous

[TypeR]

Neuville still fastest..? impressive

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Full wet runners should smash the others in this stage.

Oh yes... look at Tanaks speed !

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Super brave drive there by Neuville.

And Breen !!

[Rallyper]

Lappi must have been very fast after his spin.

[wia5958]

He could be in trouble no ok board displayed and he continued

[Rallyper]

Another penalty for Neuville for not stopping...?
https://youtu.be/AOqVVYn5vEE

Heroic by Oliver, trying to put out the fire... everybody else seemed remarkable passive. And yes, Neuville should´ve stopped. Couldn´t have missed that fire.

[Tauri_J]

Tänak's on a push

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Wow Kalle lost a lot to Ott.

[Tauri_J]

Kalle is ei messy in these conditions

[EstWRC]

Cmon Tänak!!!!

[Tauri_J]

Car looks twitchy, may have hit something

[TypeR]

puncture for Kalle?

[meh]

Massive statement from Tänak. I would like to see more of it, feels like 2019 :)

[EstWRC]

Puncture for kalle

[seb_sh]

Kalle with some issues Tanak back into the fight!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Kalle nearly losing the lead !

[seb_sh]

Now imagine if Neuville didn't have the penalties...

[TypeR]

Tänak: ,,First time, huh?''
He could tell him tons of stories about leading rally by far and then puncture or smth..

happens, but I believe Kalle will fight on!

[krissucool]

How is weather on the next one?

[EstWRC]

So only Thierry is who hasn’t had a puncture?

Lappi too I guess

[dimviii]

Rossel excellent pace and controlling the gap he has create.

[COD]

Not so easy for Kalle today not starting first?

[EstWRC]

We can finally compare the cars. This stage is basically dry and the same as last year so interesting to see the times compared to last year

[COD]

Pajari 8th OA on SS11 in WRC3 car!

[EstWRC]

Loubet last year 4.45, this year 4.42.8

[bandit12]

Loubet last year 4.45, this year 4.42.8
Last year Loubet drove with car, what was made from leftovers. So it is not rair to compare

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Porter raving over Neuville on the last stage... Breen was only 0.6s off him.

[meh]

Without penalties Neuville could be in 20+sec lead... (after SS11)

[skarderud]

If Solbergs car was on fire and no OK sign is out, the next drivers has to stop. Thats mandatory.
In a national rally you would be disqualified.
Second serious break of rules by Neuville in same rally....


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[EstWRC]

The confidence that Ott has with this new Hyundai is totally different compared to previous generation. You can see he trusts the car a lot

[meh]

If Solbergs car was on fire and no OK sign is out, the next drivers has to stop. Thats mandatory.
In a national rally you would be disqualified.
Second serious break of rules by Neuville in same rally....


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At the stage end interview he said that he saw some car but didn't recognize who's it was. And maybe it was not on fire on that time. Board-cameras will give answers for that.

[EstWRC]

Morning loop https://www.ewrc-results.com/leg/73359-croatia-rally-2022/?leg=2

Great stage from Loubet

[SubaruNorway]

At the stage end interview he said that he saw some car but didn't recognize who's it was. And maybe it was not on fire on that time. Board-cameras will give answers for that.

It was on fire https://youtu.be/AOqVVYn5vEE

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Breen needs to cut out the mistakes if he is only capable of a mostly average pace here.

[SubaruNorway]

Greensmiths puncture in SS5 at 1.32 maybe?
https://youtu.be/7OBOSgip0sg

[jonkka]

Board-cameras will give answers for that.

I am quite sure they will be asked to stewards and on-board footage will be examined. It was a fast and blind corner so crew certainly got only very fleeting glimpse of the accident.

What we as audience saw was from different, wider camera angle and we knew what was coming so it's easy to be critical. It's true that per regulations, competitor must stop at accident site unless OK sign is displayed.

[Humber]

Be interesting to see what the rulebook and the Rallysafe system dictate with respect to Neuville driving past Solberg's car.

[jonkka]

Be interesting to see what the rulebook and the Rallysafe system dictate with respect to Neuville driving past Solberg's car.

Quote from FIA regulations pertaining to incident on special stage:

53.3.2 Any crew which has the red “SOS” sign displayed to them, or which sees a car which has suffered an accident and the OK sign is not shown, shall immediately and without exception stop to render assistance. All following cars shall also stop. The second car at the scene shall proceed to inform the next radio point. Subsequent cars shall leave a clear route for emergency vehicles. All crews stopping under this procedure will be allocated a time in line with Art. 52.

53.3.5 Any crew which is able but fails to comply with any of the above rules will be reported by the Clerk of the Course to the Stewards.

[wia5958]

Fact is he said he seen the car. Regardless off anything else listen to the engine was no lift from him at all he will be in trouble over it no doubt and rightly so

[denkimi]

Quote from FIA regulations pertaining to incident on special stage:

53.3.2 Any crew which has the red “SOS” sign displayed to them, or which sees a car which has suffered an accident and the OK sign is not shown, shall immediately and without exception stop to render assistance. All following cars shall also stop. The second car at the scene shall proceed to inform the next radio point. Subsequent cars shall leave a clear route for emergency vehicles. All crews stopping under this procedure will be allocated a time in line with Art. 52.

53.3.5 Any crew which is able but fails to comply with any of the above rules will be reported by the Clerk of the Course to the Stewards.

does this still apply with the SOS system they carry in the car? Do upcoming drivers know if someone has crashed and pushed te OK/SOS button?

[WRCStan]

If Solberg had pressed the OK button and Thierry didn't get a warning signal, is that the same as displaying an OK sign? But then if fire trucks were needed.... ? Maybe the fire was delayed.

[wyler]

Fact is he said he seen the car. Regardless off anything else listen to the engine was no lift from him at all he will be in trouble over it no doubt and rightly so

i'd be very surprised in case of a penalty for this. that's no regional rally. they have in car radio for emergency and on board flag sistem for that situation. it's totally probable that solberg pushed the ok button even before getting out of the car to check and see the fire, so no need to look for signs. also marshall were at spot with no sign of slowing down on requesting for help, so...
everything was managed by marshalls and clercks, stopping the race and sending fire truck. nowadays, it's normal ( and way better) use radio com to the drivers rather than stop them randomly by hand signs. we saw that kind of accident lots of time, without that much fuss.
seems that there's people really on edge!!!

[jonkka]

does this still apply with the SOS system they carry in the car? Do upcoming drivers know if someone has crashed and pushed te OK/SOS button?

Yes, it applies. OK/SOS-button is one-way info to rally HQ, that information is not passed on to other competitors. Thus, even after activating buttton, crew of crashed car still must show OK/SOS signs to other competitors.

[wia5958]

I believe the ok button goes back to rally control. And there's no radio contact as far as I know while car is live in the stage. So for a competitor to pass another with no ok board displayed and also a fire. Is a big deal. The fact he never lifted doesn't bode well for him either. If it had been on a section where there was no Marshall evident it would have been a lot worse for him. The competitors are supposed to look out for each other in these instances. And the fact he could of stopped and helped extinguish the fire. Also has to be factored in.

[wyler]

in the video used as a reference, you can easily see a marshall on the right side, near the camera, taking pictures on the phone. that's clearly a sign that the situation is under control ( or supposed so). drivers seeing marshall behave like this will never stop to check on other competitors, because marshall's behavior is basically saing "all ok"...

[WRCStan]

Yes, it applies. OK/SOS-button is one-way info to rally HQ, that information is not passed on to other competitors. Thus, even after activating buttton, crew of crashed car still must show OK/SOS signs to other competitors.

Other crews do get warnings: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDWseIQE42U&t=398s

[wia5958]

in the video used as a reference, you can easily see a marshall on the right side, near the camera, taking pictures on the phone. that's clearly a sign that the situation is under control ( or supposed so). drivers seeing marshall behave like this will never stop to check on other competitors, because marshall's behavior is basically saing "all ok"...
That alone is a current problem he is there to Marshall not take pictures on his phone. Why hasn't he told the crew they need they're ok board displayed or asked them for it to display himself instead of taking a picture. You can't rely on the attitude of a Marshall for the seriousness of an incident. The fact Edmund asks for the next car to be stopped doesn't help

[wyler]

in the video used as a reference, you can easily see a marshall on the right side, near the camera, taking pictures on the phone. that's clearly a sign that the situation is under control ( or supposed so). drivers seeing marshall behave like this will never stop to check on other competitors, because marshall's behavior is basically saing "all ok"...

btw: in the same video you can see the fire spread out badly well after neuville. after using the extinguisher at the end of the video, the co-driver clearly says to stop next car, and marshall asks for "any sign". so the danger situation is assessed well after neuville.

[wyler]

That alone is a current problem he is there to Marshall not take pictures on his phone. Why hasn't he told the crew they need they're ok board displayed or asked them for it to display himself instead of taking a picture. You can't rely on the attitude of a Marshall for the seriousness of an incident. The fact Edmund asks for the next car to be stopped doesn't help

completely agree on that.
just saying the general behavior around the car at the moment of neuville arrival seems relaxed and doesn't signal any danger or need to stop for help. this is what the driver sees, doesn't mean that was not needed, but drivers rely on what they can see and i think neuville is not to blame in that case, maybe the marshall a bit more. probably they didn't get the seriousness of the fire, or were convinced it was already under control or extinguishing...

[jonkka]

Other crews do get warnings: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDWseIQE42U&t=398s

I stand corrected, this is confirmed by Supplementary Regulations. Interestingly, FIA Sporting Regulations do require crews to use OK/SOS signs as well, despite this technology?

[wyler]

I stand corrected, this is confirmed by Supplementary Regulations. Interestingly, FIA Sporting Regulations do require crews to use OK/SOS signs as well, despite this technology?

use of both is probably a good idea anyway to get the situation sorted quickly and get notice fast to both marshall/spectator and drivers, i think.

[rallyfiend]

That alone is a current problem he is there to Marshall not take pictures on his phone. Why hasn't he told the crew they need they're ok board displayed or asked them for it to display himself instead of taking a picture. You can't rely on the attitude of a Marshall for the seriousness of an incident. The fact Edmund asks for the next car to be stopped doesn't help

It is not the role of a marshal to make sure the competitor knows / follows the regulations. you can't expect a volunteer marshal who is there to keep the public safe to worry about adherence to sporting regulations.

That reference to the Supp Regs is quite telling 'shall immediately and without exception'..... that is a clear statement from the rules.

[denkimi]

It is not the role of a marshal to make sure the competitor knows / follows the regulations. you can't expect a volunteer marshal who is there to keep the public safe to worry about adherence to sporting regulations.

That reference to the Supp Regs is quite telling 'shall immediately and without exception'..... that is a clear statement from the rules.
What?

the marshals are there in the first place to keep everyone safe, including competitors. That's why they have fire extinguishers, radio's, flags and first aid training. They are supposed to know at least the basic rules.

[AnttiL]

WRC+ onboards are up but nothing from SS9. Thus we can't confirm from Neuville's onboard whether someone showed him the OK sign earlier than in the video.

[wyler]

It is not the role of a marshal to make sure the competitor knows / follows the regulations. you can't expect a volunteer marshal who is there to keep the public safe to worry about adherence to sporting regulations.

That reference to the Supp Regs is quite telling 'shall immediately and without exception'..... that is a clear statement from the rules.

i get it! that's why all the closed to public sector and rallies have no marshall! ah no..wait... : )

(just joking)

[Eli]

What are their tyre choices for the afternoon?

[Tauri_J]

All 4softs and 2 wets

[Eli]

All 4softs and 2 wets

So no rain on the 3rd stage of the loop this time round?

[becher]

What happened to greensimth on ss12? He looked to be in road mode.

[wyler]

What happened to greensimth on ss12? He looked to be in road mode.

5th puncture of the weekend!

[Tauri_J]

So no rain on the 3rd stage of the loop this time round?

Other 3 are bone dry so its a pretty easy choice imo. Even If it rains in one stage.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Breen slow... disappointing.

[er88]

Thierry flying......, and now more trouble

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Power issue for Neuville.

[er88]

Engine trouble - wonder if that's fixable

[er88]

Poor this from Breen but he will likely get another podium

[Eli]

Thierry can’t seem to catch a break this rally, so close to the podium, hits trouble each time.

[Rallyper]

Let´s hope Neuville can fix engine problem. Breen some 15 secs slower anyway.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Breen with no problem, just slow.

[er88]

Neuville really had a blinder in this stage. Would've been an incredible time if not for that loss of power

[er88]

Tanak drives off no comment - another Hyundai issue? Or just Ott pissed with his time (which will still be faster than Kalle)

[Eli]

Tanak drives off no comment - another Hyundai issue? Or just Ott pissed with his time (which will still be faster than Kalle)

Or another Hybrid problem?

[er88]

Or another Hybrid problem?Tanak will be taking a sledgehammer to that box if so!

[meh]

Or another Hybrid problem?

based on All-Live, it was Martin who gave order to move forward. So probably something from dashboard or something. I hope they can compete on special stages, not on nursing their cars.

Nightmare for Neuville. If he could come this time "I got most of the troubles" speech, I could believe him.

[wyler]

they said it was martin to call the go

e: burned! : )

[Rallyper]

Now sauna. And only watch All Live. More comments on this forum tomorrow.
Have a good Saturday night, fellow rallyfans.

[denkimi]

so tanak only 13s behind rovanpera, neuville 11 behind breen.

[meh]

Now sauna. And only watch All Live. More comments on this forum tomorrow.
Have a good Saturday night, fellow rallyfans.

Hyvää höyryä? anna kuuma! :)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Is Breen being slower than Gus and Loubet acceptable just because he didnt do the stage this morning?

[EstWRC]

Man I’m praying Tänak doesn’t have anything serious. The time was okay

[wia5958]

Is Breen being slower than Gus and Loubet acceptable just because he didnt do the stage this morning?

It is if your sitting in 3rd why risk it on a stage you don't know and what condition it's in having not got the first run over it

[Fast Eddie WRC]

It is if your sitting in 3rd why risk it on a stage you don't know and what condition it's in having not got the first run over it

Couldnt he watch the stage from this morning and his team-mates onboards though ?

[EstWRC]

Was stopping then for a long time?

[denkimi]

It is if your sitting in 3rd why risk it on a stage you don't know and what condition it's in having not got the first run over it

he isn't going to keep 3th with that pace.

[wia5958]

Couldnt he watch the stage from this morning and his team-mates onboards though ?

And would he be able to alter his notes from that experience grip levels etc

[Fast Eddie WRC]

I think Breen is going safety-first to ensure a finish and some good points, even if it means Tanak passing him.

[wia5958]

he isn't going to keep 3th with that pace.

No he won't but Neuville had a good run over that stage this morning. I'd say Malcolm has give him orders bring it home anything resulting in a hedge will be unacceptable. Losing one place to Neuville is acceptable to msport I would think. Also giving he has potential penalty or possible exclusion hanging over him

[meh]

I think Breen is going safety-first to ensure a finish and some good points, even if it means Tanak passing him.

Tänak is 50sec ahead of him. You meant Neuville probably

[Eli]

To finish first, first you have to finish, or in this case third(place).

[Eli]

Seems his engine is ok for now.

[Eli]

Only 5.9 between them now.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Breen slower than Gus again and says he cant do any more.

[Eli]

Breen slower than Gus again and says he cant do any more.

Lack of confidence perhaps? Only M-Sport driver running in the top 10.

[TypeR]

Ott said that he had gear changr issues after last stage and couldn't stop, but now it's fixed!

[meh]

Breen slower than Gus again and says he cant do any more.

Road-position is big impact here.

[EstWRC]

Next one is gonna be the decisive one

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Road-position is big impact here.

Not to Neuville...

[er88]

Not to Neuville...One is an elite driver. The other isn't at that level (yet/ maybe never will be)

[Tauri_J]

Cancelled, what a joke

[Tauri_J]

Most interesting stage of the rally

[dimviii]

WRC - FIA World Rally Championship
@OfficialWRC
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⚠️ SS15 is cancelled due to safety reasons

[TypeR]

wtf..

,,let's limit rain tyres for no reason and slick in rain are dangerous..??''

[EstWRC]

What a disappointment. Was only chance for Tänak to attack

[Tauri_J]

So annoyed by these cancellations. Not one but two! Rallies are too short already.

[Eli]

So annoyed by these cancellations. Not one but two! Rallies are too short already.

They really should have spare stages or something, another thing I’m missing here, night stages!!! It’s a tarmac rally, no dust issues at night like Greece or Australia, should have at least two for the first two days.

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FRCiiXFWYAEev2C?format=jpg&name=large

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Fog off ! :rolleyes:

[Fast Eddie WRC]

One is an elite driver. The other isn't at that level (yet/ maybe never will be)

The way he drove in Ypres, battling with Neuville, Breen should beat Greensmith even with a bit of exrta dirt on the road.

[AnttiL]

I think some of the drivers said at the stage end interviews of the first pass that it's dangerous to drive in such thick fog, maybe they asked the stage to be canceled?

[AnttiL]

The really should have spare stages or something, another thing I’m missing here, night stages!!! It’s a tarmac rally, no dust issues at night like Greece or Australia, should have at least two for the first two days.

Spare stages LOL :D How would that be implemented? They would have to make road agreements, drivers recce, marshalls and everything, just in case?

As for night stages, it's just practically tricky with the shcedules, less to see on TV and more difficult to control spectators.

[TypeR]

I think some of the drivers said at the stage end interviews of the first pass that it's dangerous to drive in such thick fog, maybe they asked the stage to be canceled?

Lol..

how the joke was.. football and basketball need 1 ball, rallying two balls..

[Eli]

Spare stages LOL :D How would that be implemented? They would have to make road agreements, drivers recce, marshalls and everything, just in case?

As for night stages, it's just practically tricky with the schedules, less to see on TV and more difficult to control spectators.

I don't know, I was just throwing an idea, but night stages I wouldn't dismiss that easily.

[focus206]

Disappointing decision, big favour to Kalle and Breen...
But if it's the drivers who asked for it, they know better than me I guess.

[TypeR]

if today was raining on all stages.. would they cancel saturday?
let's drive hundreds of km's liaisons.. but some extra tyres would be so big extra cost on 1mil eur cars.. :)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Great day by Lappi even with the road position.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

More like it from Breen, having a good run at last.

[TypeR]

Kalle going fast! didn't chicken out after big loss, he has the winner material!

[Eli]

More like it from Breen, having a good run at last.

Said he did a reset, perhaps needed to reset himself before the gap became single digits.

[EstWRC]

Awesome response from kalle

It’s over now

[Eli]

Kalle going fast! didn't chicken out after big loss, he has the winner material!

He’ll take the title this year, mark my words.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Kalle is back, what a way to end the day !

[TypeR]

Kalle: ,,This is my reply! (showing sticker on helmet) FULL SEND!''

[EstWRC]

Mature approach from Ott, said he didn’t have the feeling to push


But hats off to Kalle, what a stage

I can see him and Ott fighting for many rounds this year

[Eli]

Mature approach from Ott, said he didn’t have the feeling to push


But hats off to Kalle, what a stage

I can see him and Ott fighting for many rounds this year

Hopefully Tänak will have the machine to fight Kalle for the remaining 10 events of the year.

[EstWRC]

Hopefully Tänak will have the machine to fight Kalle for the remaining 10 events of the year.

Yeah let’s hope

It seems to me that Hyundai is still missing a little on tarmac compared to Toyota

We will see how it’s on gravel

[EstWRC]

Today https://www.ewrc-results.com/leg/73359-croatia-rally-2022/?leg=2

Kalle lost 54 secs with the puncture

[Eli]

Yeah let’s hope

It seems to me that Hyundai is still missing a little on tarmac compared to Toyota

We will see how it’s on gravel

They haven't tested on Gravel yet, right? Good thing they have a 4 week gap now to catch up.

[hari]

Some pictures from Saturday: https://www.ir7.at/content/fotos_bestof_wrc_croatia_rallye_2022.html (https://www.ir7.at/content/fotos_bestof_wrc_croatia_rallye_2022.html)
https://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2022/croatia3/9.jpghttps://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2022/croatia3/2.jpghttps://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2022/croatia3/1.jpghttps://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2022/croatia3/6.jpghttps://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2022/croatia3/11.jpghttps://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2022/croatia3/4.jpg

[focus206]

Could have been a great fight Rovanpera vs Neuville, or Rovanpera vs Tanak had Ott managed to recover more. Now it's over, apart from mistakes / problems. Only battle left should be Breen vs Neuville for 3rd spot.

[denkimi]

if today was raining on all stages.. would they cancel saturday?
let's drive hundreds of km's liaisons.. but some extra tyres would be so big extra cost on 1mil eur cars.. :)
No tyre is able to help with fog.

Although i personally don't see the problem, its up to the drivers to adapt to the conditions. If they have to lift off for most of the stage than so be it.

[dupanton]

For sure it's more tricky in terms of accident response and spectator management in thick fog. I guess that might be a bigger issue than the drivers thinking it's dangerous.

[denkimi]

Yeah let’s hope

It seems to me that Hyundai is still missing a little on tarmac compared to Toyota

We will see how it’s on gravel
Without the mechanical problems and penaltys due to them, neuville would have been comfortably in the lead.

[EstWRC]

Without the mechanical problems and penaltys due to them, neuville would have been comfortably in the lead.

Even without Kalles puncture?

[TypeR]

Without the mechanical problems and penaltys due to them, neuville would have been comfortably in the lead.


without these problems Tänak would have been 3-4x WDC..

[focus206]

He’ll take the title this year, mark my words.

I agree. Maybe early to say but he seems to have matured. But I think his biggest weapon is still Toyota's better reliability compared to Hyundai. I could see Neuville and Tanak challenging him on speed, but not when Hyundai keeps having problems.
Meanwhile, Breen is not good enough yet and Evans seems lost.

[AnttiL]

if today was raining on all stages.. would they cancel saturday?
let's drive hundreds of km's liaisons.. but some extra tyres would be so big extra cost on 1mil eur cars.. :)

Nothing about tyres on the canceling decision. It's just you who says the stage was canceled because of lack of rain tyres. Not true. The COC decision says stage was canceled because of thick fog. Kaj Lindström was interviewed on Finnish TV saying he had seen a photo from Michele Mouton's safety car and they couldn't see beyond the dashboard. Lindström said "it was the only choice to cancel the stage" It's not just the drivers' safety in question, also the numerous spectators'.

[Eli]

I agree. Maybe early to say but he seems to have matured. But I think his biggest weapon is still Toyota's better reliability compared to Hyundai. I could see Neuville and Tänak challenging him on speed, but not when Hyundai keeps having problems.
Meanwhile, Breen is not good enough yet and Evans seems lost.

I think he's learnt a lot from the 2020-2021 seasons with Ogier, learned how finish rallies even when they don't go his way, and now he's close to winning on all three surfaces, if it weren't for Hyundai's troubled car I'd say Neuville would have a chance due to his experience but it seems that with every rally now, Rovanperä learns how to lead and control this championship. As for Breen, he still needs to get that full season under his belt, after 4 years of not doing half of the events on the calendar (& we don't even have Mexico this year which he's never been too). Evans like you said seems lost, even Lappi managed to find more pace (yes I know, road position but still), and it's only his first time on Tarmac with this car.

[dimviii]

Fourmaux crash was a big one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ev6_PKP0sVE&t=13s

[AnttiL]

Fourmaux crash was a big one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ev6_PKP0sVE&t=13s

To me it doesn't look like a big one. They just crash through the fence, that's it. The car doesn't roll or hit anything hard. The speed is about 80 km/h when the control is lost.

[AnttiL]

I agree. Maybe early to say but he seems to have matured. But I think his biggest weapon is still Toyota's better reliability compared to Hyundai. I could see Neuville and Tanak challenging him on speed, but not when Hyundai keeps having problems.
Meanwhile, Breen is not good enough yet and Evans seems lost.

I think getting the first two wins last year was a big step on Kalle's career. Similar to what happened to Tänak in 2017.

[denkimi]

Even without Kalles puncture?
It would be pretty close. Anyway, hyundai doesn't seems to be pretty similar to toyota in terms of speed. Hyundai is just less reliable right now.

[Eli]

I think getting the first two wins last year was a big step on Kalle's career. Similar to what happened to Tänak in 2017.

Exactly but for now at least it looks like he's managed slip right into Tänak's 2019 season.

[dimviii]

To me it doesn't look like a big one. They just crash through the fence, that's it. The car doesn't roll or hit anything hard. The speed is about 80 km/h when the control is lost.

car was going out of control sideways,they were lucky that they didnt hit a pole a tree with side of the car

[SubaruNorway]

To me it doesn't look like a big one. They just crash through the fence, that's it. The car doesn't roll or hit anything hard. The speed is about 80 km/h when the control is lost.

Looked like he had hit some kind of harvesting tool for the tractor

[dimviii]

https://twitter.com/LubomirStauder/status/1517853276544417793


rallyciak video
https://youtu.be/rme2fwhkS2c

[bearclaw]

In detail I'm not so familiar with the hole tyre regulations. What if there's rain the whole weekend and fully wet conditions, from shakedown to the power stage and no stage gets canceled because of fog like today. I have read that there are just 8 rain tyres for the whole weekend.

Is it possible for the FIA stewards to allow more rain tyres during the rally when they were needed for safety reasons? i mean no extra tyre fitting zones like in sweden 2020 - just a new amount of rain tyres for the teams that they can use with the regular 8 rain tyres. would this work logistically for the tyre manufacturer? or have the teams to deal with 8 rain tyres and the other tyres and cross it on some stages, like some drivers did today at platak 1 stage, and/or going on full wet tyres for the other stages of the whole rally.

[EstWRC]

Morning guys
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220424/63539d16215f99cd30aed341d00d0148.jpg

[AnttiL]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FRFZOq6XIAIiGsl?format=jpg&name=large

Case closed about "Thierry passing Solberg without OK or stopping"

[Eli]

Morning guys
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220424/63539d16215f99cd30aed341d00d0148.jpg

M-Sport being brave for the final morning?

[EstWRC]

Allive broadcast and maps working for you guys?

[Eli]

Allive broadcast and maps working for you guys?

No, allive not working.

[SubaruNorway]

Cut out 30min ago during morning service

[EstWRC]

Luckily I’m seeing all the stages from the tv today but at the moment they just showing helicopter flying

[AnttiL]

https://www.wrc.com/en/wrcplus/live-updates/

This gives at least some information

[haris274]

https://www.wrc.com/en/wrcplus/live-updates/

This gives at least some information

Back to 00's!!! 🤬🤬🤬

[AnttiL]

And split times of course

https://www.wrc.com/en/wrcplus/live-timing/

[AnttiL]

"We're saving the tyres! All fine - it's dry and quite abrasive, so I think the softs would be hard to maintain in that stage. It's all cutting up at the end."

- Greensmith

Let's see how Ott manages with softs

[Got Mail]

Raining on SS18

[erikli2]

Stream up and running now.

[EstWRC]

Tänak sliding a lot with the softs

[TypeR]

Rovanperä 1.2 faster than Tänak in split 1

Tänak really slow on split 2, +7.5

[AnttiL]

Tänak losing a lot time

[EstWRC]

Oh man

Have no words

[bandit12]

Tänak losing a lot time

Let's see next stage...

[TypeR]

Rovanperä taking the win with this one..

[Eli]

Oh man

Have no words

It was always gonna be a gamble.

[bandit12]

Oh man

Have no words

What words do you need? With clean run he in unable to catch Kalle. So he must gamble. If it doen not work, he does not risk with anything. If it works, there is plenty to win...

[EstWRC]

What words do you need? With clean run he in unable to catch Kalle. So he must gamble. If it doen not work, he does not risk with anything. If it works, there is plenty to win...

If he looses the same amounts on next ones or even more then Breen will get very close

[bandit12]

It rains on next stage

[Eli]

If he looses the same amounts on next ones or even more then Breen will get very close

Isn’t Breen like a minute behind Tänak?

[EstWRC]

Isn’t Breen like a minute behind Tänak?

44.6 but on the first one took 9 secs out of Ott

[Eli]

44.6 but on the first one took 9 secs out of Ott

But still, it’s just 3 stages left, not 6, should be fine, hopefully.

[EstWRC]

It rains on next stage


good, good, lets hope so

[EstWRC]

seems to be no rain at all

[Sergiow]

seems to be no rain at all

In that regard interesting comment: SS18: Greensmith

Quicker than Loubet, but struggling with his slick tyres in the damp conditions.

"That is so much worse than last year! Give me four wets and we might be able to be quick on the second pass!

note: my first post on this forum, I have been lurking around here for a long time ;)

[jonkka]

note: my first post on this forum, I have been lurking around here for a long time ;)

Welcome!