[WRC] Rallye Monte Carlo 2022

[itix]

I think we can dismiss fears that the Hyundai is slow now.

Both Neuville and Tänak that has a shed load of experience are right up there on this last stage and the first one they were all everywhere.

Solberg should not be expected high up.

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[denkimi]

One has no confidence. The other had technical issues and in RMC to learn....
Lacking confidence is not an excuse, it only shows a lack of skill.

[Danny0405]

Loeb showing his talent.

I feel the ford could be the best car out of the box here.

Personnally, on the small amount we have seen, I think it is the best balance speed/reliability at this stage of the season, as in 2017 (but as I said before, it is a special rally and above all, the stage of development of each brand is not the same so they might have less improvement margin).
Their issue, compared with 2017, should be the quality of the drivers which is not a surprise:
- I’m not sure Breen is a championship-material driver (I hope for him he can reach this level but I’m a bit skeptical on him since his 2018 Citroen season) even if it was the most consistent choice as far as big names prefered to stay in Toyota and Hyundai and they did not reach an agreement with Lappi.
- Greensmith is better than some expects but at best, he can become a Ostberg-type driver (except in snow where he is quite bad)
- Fourmaux has great potential but his consistency is clearly short at the moment (maybe normal, it took a while to Tanak to become consistent)

The Toyota is probably also very close.
The Hyundai seems to have some issues in reliability of the hybrid system but are they at the same level of development? Probably not considering the rumors so a top4-top5 performance with Ogier-Loeb in 1-2 would not be a bad result for the championship.

[RS]

Why do they cut away from SS4 without showing any Rally2 cars when there is 35m to go until the next stage?

[er88]

Lacking confidence is not an excuse, it only shows a lack of skill.Didn't expect better from Solberg but Kalle is a big worry. We know he has undoubted talent but he will be shocked how slow /lost he is....

[er88]

Why do they cut away from SS4 without showing any Rally2 cars when there is 35m to go until the next stage?Not sure. Sometimes they show a fair amount of the wrc2 crews and then randomly on other stages they just cut as soon as the main class is finished.

[dimviii]

Watch Astiers time at previous stage

[cali]

How many picked Loeb to win (in pickems)? :)We have pickems in our own group and friends and my pick was Loeb Ogier Neuville.

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[COD]

Those plastic cars sure look bad after crash. Not sure that is good for the image of rallying

[er88]

Those plastic cars sure look bad after crash. Not sure that is good for the image of rallyingSurely all that matters is the support sell keeping the crew safe? Then a distant second is that some key components aren't totally a write off.

Neuville and Fourmaux have had absolutely huge offs now and walked away fine, and the battery hasn't been an issue either.

[Thousandlakes]

Watch Astiers time at previous stage

Good notice. Superb time. Dry condition with 2wd is working well. Alpine is lighter and little bit more power than rally2.

[TypeR]

,,Take off'' camera angle
https://www.facebook.com/fredrik.delborn.3/posts/684453656244164

[dimviii]

Wow scary!

[er88]

,,Take off'' camera angle
https://www.facebook.com/fredrik.delborn.3/posts/684453656244164Christ! Looks worse the more videos and pics you see of it

[Rallyper]

,,Take off'' camera angle
https://www.facebook.com/fredrik.delborn.3/posts/684453656244164

Can´t see. It´s on FB...

[becher]

Really? I thought he would also have problems with it...

No Latvala needs a car with understeer built into it so he "doesn't have to worry about controlling the front end" and is able to drive the car via the rear axle. It's quite interesting, someone who drives with lots of oversteer isn't necessarily a oversteer driver.

[AnttiL]

No Latvala needs a car with understeer built into it so he "doesn't have to worry about controlling the front end" and is able to drive the car via the rear axle. It's quite interesting, someone who drives with lots of oversteer isn't necessarily a oversteer driver.

Interesting. But I thought that he struggled at VW with a car that was suitable for Ogier (and now we have an understeering car with no center diff and the car definitely suits Ogier)

[becher]

Interesting. But I thought that he struggled at VW with a car that was suitable for Ogier (and now we have an understeering car with no center diff and the car definitely suits Ogier)

Well there are obviously more elements than just a simplistic view at over/understeer, so none of as can make a proper assumption, but the understeer thing is just something he explained once in an interview and it didn't sound like he made it up.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Go Elfyn !!

[ouvreur]

That's one hell of a time for Elfyn!

[jonkka]

If Evans can do that and if Ogier is correct that road will get better, just wait for Loeb's time!

[Rallyper]

I think heavy crashes have affected the youngsters. Fourmaux will also suffer from that from now...

Only Colin could shake it off without any problems.

[EstWRC]

Hyundai needs slippery conditions. Works then

[spyros]

he made mistakes and last year, Monza for example, he needs alot of work...................

[EstWRC]

And msport works best on dry tarmac but loose a lot on slippery one

[Fast Eddie WRC]

I think heavy crashes have affected the youngsters. Fourmaux will also suffer from that from now...

Only Colin could shake it off without any problems.

He shook off a big crash on Rally di Roma in 2020 and got some good results.

[flat_right]

Hyundai needs slippery conditions. Works then

This is what Ott said in interview also that they tested for different Monte than it was in the first stages i.e. more slippery, black ice, snow. Makes sense now.

[jonkka]

Greensmith is losing it...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

No hybrid for Gus...

[ouvreur]

Greensmith is losing it...

Hybrid issue?

[EstWRC]

This is what Ott said in interview also that they tested for different Monte than it was in the first stages i.e. more slippery, black ice, snow. Makes sense now.

Dunno. Their last test last week was completely dry but we can definitely see that they lose a lot on dry tarmac

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Loeb M-Sport leads !

[Jewy46]

Loeb leads!!!!

[Rally Hokkaido]

Turn your clocks back to 2003 Loeb is leading Monte Carlo Rally!

[EstWRC]

Loeb is in my eyes the greatest and most talented Motorsport guy the world has ever seen

[EstWRC]

morning loop https://www.ewrc-results.com/leg/72281-rallye-automobile-de-monte-carlo-2022/?leg=2

[René]

I have a thought for Isabelle Galmiche who sees the landscape passing by at a speed she did not dare to imagine possible before today !

[240RS]

After just five stages of the opening round of the 2022 season, M-Sport Ford have won thrice the number of stages they won in the whole of the 2021 series. . . .hmmmmm!!!!

[er88]

I think heavy crashes have affected the youngsters. Fourmaux will also suffer from that from now...

Only Colin could shake it off without any problems.Fourmaux has shown last year at times he can be sensible though - take it easy on certain stages and then target specific stages to increase the pace etc.

Imo he should just focus on the positives of his pace in these few stages before his off. Accidents happen, and he just got a bit overconfident finally having a competive car. Hopefully the next few rallies he can keep it on the road even if he dialls the pace back a bit.

As you say too many crashes can really effect a driver. And there won't be another McRae with his mindset to never let crash after crash effect his belief in his ability/speed.

[EstWRC]

SS4 by rivierarally https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWLLnV4sFqU

[René]

The second loop will be interesting to follow.

[Fitz]

Turn your clocks back to 2003 Loeb is leading Monte Carlo Rally!


Loeb is in my eyes the greatest and most talented Motorsport guy the world has ever seen


I have a thought for Isabelle Galmiche who sees the landscape passing by at a speed she did not dare to imagine possible before today !


After just five stages of the opening round of the 2022 season, M-Sport Ford have won thrice the number of stages they won in the whole of the 2021 series. . . .hmmmmm!!!!

Wow wow wow. This is just amazing.

Sadly shows how bad a time he had with that Hyundai car but this reverses those doubts about Seb losing any pace & his outright pace.

Loving Isabelle’s pink watch but crickey what a load of fun it must be.

Allez Seb !

[EstWRC]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FJn1OtaX0AIN0j4?format=jpg&name=large

[becher]

Loeb in the lead by 10 seconds no less! What a story!

[AnttiL]

Fourmaux has shown last year at times he can be sensible though - take it easy on certain stages and then target specific stages to increase the pace etc.

Imo he should just focus on the positives of his pace in these few stages before his off. Accidents happen, and he just got a bit overconfident finally having a competive car. Hopefully the next few rallies he can keep it on the road even if he dialls the pace back a bit.

As you say too many crashes can really effect a driver. And there won't be another McRae with his mindset to never let crash after crash effect his belief in his ability/speed.

I think he was aiming at the same here, after SS1 he said that "this is the most difficult stage so we took it carefully".

Remember also Fourmaux had a major crash in Ypres, a medium one in Monza and a small touch in Catalunya...crashes in all four latest tarmac rallies

[dimviii]

Camilli lost plenty of time

[AnttiL]

Camilli lost plenty of time

hit something, broke suspension, retired

[AnttiL]

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1180648408618439/posts/5401414659875105/

Post-crash footage of Fourmaux

[WRCStan]

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1180648408618439/posts/5401414659875105/

Post-crash footage of Fourmaux

It's sick what people film and share these days, let them get out the car and take a breath FFS. Until they are confirmed OK and visibly calm this isn't fair.

[dupanton]

Puncture for Loix, changed on the stage

[Alex009]

It's sick what people film and share these days, let them get out the car and take a breath FFS. Until they are confirmed OK and visibly calm this isn't fair.

Amen. That is so stupid.

[focus206]

I hope Loeb gets to the finish, but no matter what, he's just the greatest in my book. 2nd at Dakar, flies to Monte, swaps overalls, gets in the Puma and now he's leading Monte... at what age?? :D

Hyundai doesn't seem very slow, but Neuville's comments on how "scary" it is to drive is worrying.

[AnttiL]

It's sick what people film and share these days, let them get out the car and take a breath FFS. Until they are confirmed OK and visibly calm this isn't fair.

Yeah I noticed as well it isn't really cool. I was focusing on the damage of the car. Could it be still fixed with just new panels?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Yeah I noticed as well it isn't really cool. I was focusing on the damage of the car. Could it be still fixed with just new panels?

Rich Millener seemed to think it was game-over and looking at it I do too.

[linni]

It's sick what people film and share these days, let them get out the car and take a breath FFS. Until they are confirmed OK and visibly calm this isn't fair.

Exactly! Like some random FB video, where a guy is rescuing some animal from the ice. Almost drowning himself. But the other guy? The other guy - he is shooting a glorius footage!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

https://scontent.fman4-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/272167579_10162898765813647_5950849726645849722_n. jpg?_nc_cat=108&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=dbeb18&_nc_ohc=IbY83jNzgskAX-aEj5H&_nc_ht=scontent.fman4-1.fna&oh=00_AT-0x5pRI3Ho44ievn4IPvEFki5Ix3fj65EGGn4giQHlag&oe=61EF1A68

[denkimi]

Looking at the pace of loeb and especially greensmith, i think the ford is a level above the others speedwise. Although it is weird to see breen so far back then.

[EstWRC]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FJoHlpKX0Aoyprf?format=jpg&name=small

[doubled1978]

Looking at the pace of loeb and especially greensmith, i think the ford is a level above the others speedwise. Although it is weird to see breen so far back then.
My personal perception is that the Ford is perhaps the most resolved package at the minute, but the Toyota maybe a little quicker when it’s in the window (or it could be Ogier/Evans making the difference) weird to see Rovanpera and Katsuta so far off tho.
The Hyundai is just underdeveloped, but I’m sure it’ll get there quite quickly and with Neuville and Tanak they will always have a chance.

[dimviii]

Neuville spin

https://twitter.com/Guillermo_WRC/status/1484446766078566402


Malcolm happy bunny

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FJn24AfXwBEvLHe?format=jpg&name=small

[dimviii]

Ogier +armco
https://twitter.com/ma_ipp/status/1484498360455380993

another record of Loeb
https://twitter.com/eWRCresults/status/1484488869278011394

[Rallyper]

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1180648408618439/posts/5401414659875105/

Post-crash footage of Fourmaux

Poor guys. :(

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FJk-_yPVgAEucNH?format=jpg&name=small

[itix]

Did your feed also crash now?

[MentalParadox]

Did your feed also crash now?

Yep...

[AnttiL]

yes

[erikli2]

Did your feed also crash now?

Yep.

Edit: back again

[rp]

yes

Yes, but now back.

[itix]

Back again...

[dimviii]

Ogier 8 sec faster from first pass

[Fast Eddie WRC]

More like it Kalle.

[EstWRC]

Would have been a good stage from Ott but gave a lot away with the final kilometer

[dimviii]

Camilli
https://www.facebook.com/OuhlaLui/videos/211823241151571/?extid=CL-UNK-UNK-UNK-AN_GK0T-GK1C

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Woah Gus ! :D

[Rallyper]

Man! GG. Don´t do a Fourmaux now...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Great stuff Gus.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Loeb smashing it even more.

[MentalParadox]

I want Loeb to win this rally so badly...

[Rallyper]

The "old couple" smashing everyone else...

[dimviii]

speechless.....simply GOAT.

[denkimi]

Loeb smashing it even more.
I would say ford is mashing it here.

That, or either GG has become way faster suddenly.

[smwrc1]

Loeb, but for years

[dimviii]

Ogier escapes penalty for first hybrid rules breach

The Monte Carlo Rally leader left the start ramp without using electric power, which is a new rule for 2022
https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/ogier-escapes-without-penalty-for-first-breach-of-hybrid-rules/

[Fast Eddie WRC]

I would say ford is mashing it here.

That, or either GG has become way faster suddenly.

Only Loeb is faster than the Toyota's though...

[dimviii]

and another one record
https://twitter.com/eWRCresults/status/1484527810714783747

[Fast Eddie WRC]

No restart for Fourmaux..

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/fourmaux-wont-restart-monte-carlo-rally-after-crash/

[Danny0405]

No restart for Fourmaux..

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/fourmaux-wont-restart-monte-carlo-rally-after-crash/

Not really a surprise
Question could be more about Sweden: probably no Loeb there but maybe a (or 2) customer was interested (Bertelli? Mikkelsen?); don’t know if it’s enough time to repair (would say yes in general with little doubt but in this specific period as now, with the work continuing on the regulation + spare parts’ issues, it may affect the work)

[EstWRC]

live maps also black for you?

[Essaj]

live maps also black for you?

works for me

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Taka going well now.

[EstWRC]

Strange splits from Hyundai guys. Thierry fast in first half and Tänak fast on second half

[Essaj]

Gus now fastest on first split, could the first stage win happen

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Good run Craig... learning the car.

[EstWRC]

Very tight times on this stage!

[meh]

Gus now fastest on first split, could the first stage win happen

Just... Loeb.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Shame if Loeb denies him..

[Rallyper]

That´s a good one. GG!

[er88]

Brilliant Gus

[EstWRC]

Awesome Gus!

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FJn0lUoX0AMCS1r?format=jpg&name=large

[Rallyper]

Obviously the Pumas are really good! All credits also to MSport.

[EstWRC]

Solberg fastest Hyundai!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Yes Gus - THE FASTEST TIME !!!!

Well done from all M-Sporters.:)

[meh]

So, Greensmith will have it. Really deserved one - everyone without problems (well, Loeb and Neuville (?) without EV) and went through the stage. Well done!

[Rallyper]

Really happy for GG.

[EstWRC]

The Ford is miles ahead of everybody else

[MentalParadox]

I think M-Sport is in a similar situation to 2017 - a really competitive car - but this time they won't always have an "A-lister" like Ogier or Loeb to extract the maximum potential.

[Thousandlakes]

GG is flying. Very good. it finally happened

[TypeR]

Good guy Gus!
Pure emotions ;)
Not bad for first stage win - beating all last 18 year World Champions ;)

[EstWRC]

On Estonian tv they have calculated that you loose approximately 0.5sec/km if you don’t have hybrid. Based on the cases so far but of course it depends but it’s something like that

[dimviii]

SS7: Loeb

Greensmith gets his first WRC stage win, but the flying Frenchman holds onto his rally lead despite hybrid issues.



"My run was really good, but I had no hybrid. For sure we lost a lot of time, but we are pushing as hard as possible.

[Rally Hokkaido]

Out of the eleven crews, who has not had a hybrid boost failure in a stage, so far? Fourmaux?

[er88]

I've been critical of Gus for a while, and Msport for sticking with him as a factory driver (even though he pays), but I'm delighted to see him proving me and many others wrong. I did not see this step up in speed coming.

That extra motivation of knowing you have a competive car/proper testing has worked wonders. He seemed so deflated over the last season or two.

He also seems like a genuinely good bloke. Now he just has to continue consistently setting stage times in and around the top 5/6, and stop having stages where he loses 30s randomly.

[doubled1978]

That was great to see, really pleased for the lad. He has and does take a pasting on here, and I for one am happy to see him do well.

[EstWRC]

Out of the eleven crews, who has not had a hybrid boost failure in a stage, so far? Fourmaux?

I think the Toyotas haven’t had?

[ouvreur]

Greensmith the first non-French stage winner of 2022...

[er88]

Good run from the maestro without Hybrid - this stage you'd maybe miss it most?

[Rally Hokkaido]

I think the Toyotas haven’t had?

I believe Katsuta had trouble on SS3? (IIRC, he said 'electrical problem') Also, Evans on one stage.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Gus :D

https://twitter.com/RallyMad7/status/1484542162222161920?s=20

[ouvreur]

Gus :D

https://twitter.com/RallyMad7/status/1484542162222161920?s=20

Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but you watch him get a fine or some other garbage for having his phone in his hand while driving...

[spiderem]

I haven't really followed how the hybrid boost works, but if it is not working on a stage, is it broken or likely to work again on the next? Or is it more complex than that?
So far seems to be kind of an on/off issue

[EstWRC]

So for the final stage we have some fights

Gus is just 0.7 from Tänak, Tänak is 3.6 from Breen and Breen is 3.4 from Neuville

Evans is 0.8 from Ogier

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Why are they now calling them 'route-note crews' ?

[Gregor-y]

I'm not sure for whom I should feel happier: Seb or Malcolm. I wasn't such a fan in 2006 when it dawned on me there wasn't going to be much of a championship battle for the foreseeable future but these days I can take solace that Loeb is about five months older than I am. Wilson's definitely turned M Sport into a real powerhouse, which was nice after seeing how my former favorite Prodrive has evolved.

[TypeR]

Gus has won more stages this year than all Hyundai drivers together :D

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Adrien FOURMAUX @AdrienFourmaux

Message to tell you that me and Alexandre, are ok.

This is a huge disappointment for me. A year of shaping a Puma Hybrid Rally1 alongside M-Sport Ford, huge expectations for this rally and my first full season. :(

I am thinking of the entire team who worked relentlessly, day and night, to allow us to evolve in the best possible car. To the team, I am sorry for this mistake.

We will not leave tomorrow, we will work even harder to come back strong to Sweden.

[dimviii]

Ogier more than 25 sec faster from morning pass

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but you watch him get a fine or some other garbage for having his phone in his hand while driving...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FJotCnBXEAYlLp9?format=jpg&name=large

[JRodrigues]

Ogier more than 25 sec faster from morning pass

and 41s faster than his time.

[Danny0405]

Think Ogier knows it is his best opportunity to get closer from Loeb with Ford’s hybrid issue (+ too careful this morning)

[WRCStan]

Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but you watch him get a fine or some other garbage for having his phone in his hand while driving...

He might have been parked up!?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Poor time to finish the day by Elfyn has taken some pressure off Ogier.

[dimviii]

Do we have any info if Loeb still have hybrid problem?

[Essaj]

He might have been parked up!?

Yep he was parked and instead it was the trees that were moving ;)

[spiderem]

Rovanpera on the same pace as Monza?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Slightly disappointing for Breen. He has had so much testing time in the new Puma (even while others were still finishing WRC 2021) but is not as confident as some others here.

Maybe that test crash has affected him more than he admits...

[EstWRC]

Ott takes Breen with stage. Gus also slow

Quite a good day for Hyundai today.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Superb day for Greensmith despite that last stage. Brilliant to see him win a stage at last - great achievement.

[EstWRC]

todays https://www.ewrc-results.com/leg/72281-rallye-automobile-de-monte-carlo-2022/?leg=2

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Loeb slowed a bit by a more frosty road. Shame after his amazing speed today. He still leads. :)

[René]

Problem with the hybrid during SS7, which caused a loss of power.

Seb: "it's much better with the hybrid!
Isa: " ah yeah definitely! "

[Carbon]

https://i.imgflip.com/62574c.jpg

[linni]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FJk-_yPVgAEucNH?format=jpg&name=small


In some countries he would be fined, as in - rim LED lights are not allowed.

[JUF]

I´m surprised that as for me the connection of M-Sport and Loeb feels quite natural. It doesn't look strange at all to see him in a suit with the blue oval.

[EstWRC]

watching the overall results, take Loeb away and you would have Ford drivers as still the third quickest after Toyota and Hyundai drivers.

Loeb is making a huge difference atm, and what a difference from two years ago. Just watched 2020 Monte results and he was 40 secs behind Neuville after 5 stages, now he is leading Neuville by the same amount.

Hyundai had a lot better day today, Ott just 5.7 secs behind Ogier in todays overall result, yesterday he lost 41 secs alone with two stages.

Kalles performance makes me worry now too, he seems so lost at the moment, better today but still.

Breens inexperience shows and it will show again during the season on the events he hasnt done.

[EstWRC]

Friday by passatsdecanto https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ticq-OOa2J4

[dimviii]

“We’re really happy to hear what Séb is saying about the balance of the car and that he’s comfortable in it straightaway – that’s even more impressive when you consider how little testing he’s done.”

Leader Loeb told DirtFish: “I’m really happy from what we did in the morning. I feel well in this car compared to the previous one [the Hyundai i20 Coupe WRC]. I can feel really confident and my gravel crew made some good work too.

“Craig and Gus are on a different agenda to Sébastien,” Millener added. “Craig’s never been here in a World Rally Car and to expect him to be immediately at the front is unrealistic and Gus isn’t at that point in his career where we are expecting him to be winning stages on the Monte Carlo Rally.

“Both of those guys are doing the job.”

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/m-sport-hails-dream-start-to-monte-carlo/

[EstWRC]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FJpR_FeXIAYoU_M?format=jpg&name=large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FJpR-HIXIAkvd2O?format=jpg&name=large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FJpR726XoAAVba_?format=jpg&name=large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FJpSAFXXIAQnu1-?format=jpg&name=large

[dimviii]

Sainteloc Racing
@SaintelocRacing
·
42s
.@EricCamilli
and @YRocheCodriver
will not restart tomorrow, due to the lack of sporting interest and the possibility of competing in the Power Stage, regarding their position.

[dimviii]

https://youtu.be/kIv-xS00V-0

[linni]

Sainteloc Racing
@SaintelocRacing
·
42s
.@EricCamilli
and @YRocheCodriver
will not restart tomorrow, due to the lack of sporting interest and the possibility of competing in the Power Stage, regarding their position.

That`s a poorest PR I´ve seen in ages.

[er88]

Having watched some of the fan shot vids, these cars could become a better generation than the last when developed. Unreal noise and power, plus they are much more twitchy and difficult to drive which will lead to more moments/ different lines. Not so much on rails with the lesser suspension and aero, and I'm all for it.

Think driver talent can make a bigger difference than the last gen. Look at the two Sebs here....., and you'd sense that someone like McRae, Vatanen, Makinen etc etc etc would love wrestling with these beasts and trying to tame them.

[AnttiL]

Monte has a special rule that only the best 50 cars can start Sunday. Camilli is currently at P71 so they would need 21 cars to retire in front of them tomorrow in order to finish the rally.

Similarly in their class, they are P20. They would need half of the cars retire tomorrow to get any points (and above reason means they couldn't start the power stage).

[Gregor-y]

Think driver talent can make a bigger difference than the last gen. Look at the two Sebs here....., and you'd sense that someone like McRae, Vatanen, Makinen etc etc etc would love wrestling with these beasts and trying to tame them.
Watching the Fourmaux crash the first thing I thought was "that looks like something Colin would do."

[dimviii]

and a little whine as always about starting position.

“Starting first was definitely not an advantage either,” he added.

“The sun was coming through, the road was gaining [speed] faster, especially for Loeb starting half an hour behind us.




“It was a mix of a couple of issues,” Ogier told DirtFish.

“One of those is that probably, with Simon [Jean-Joseph, two-time European Rally Champion and Ogier’s safety crew driver], my gravel crew were a bit on the safe side.

“The information I received from them was very safe and slowed me down quite a lot on the frosty section, which they described a bit more towards being ice.

“That can make a big difference on such a rally. We’ve been talking about it tonight and we said, OK, tomorrow we do better. It’s always a very difficult task for them so I don’t blame anybody.”

Ogier made a decision to back off in light of his cautious pacenotes, which in turn made a strong rhythm harder to find on the latter parts of the stage, where he dropped the most time.

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/the-caution-that-cost-ogier-the-monte-carlo-rally-lead/

[er88]

and a little whine as always about starting position.

“Starting first was definitely not an advantage either,” he added.

“The sun was coming through, the road was gaining [speed] faster, especially for Loeb starting half an hour behind us.




“It was a mix of a couple of issues,” Ogier told DirtFish.

“One of those is that probably, with Simon [Jean-Joseph, two-time European Rally Champion and Ogier’s safety crew driver], my gravel crew were a bit on the safe side.

“The information I received from them was very safe and slowed me down quite a lot on the frosty section, which they described a bit more towards being ice.

“That can make a big difference on such a rally. We’ve been talking about it tonight and we said, OK, tomorrow we do better. It’s always a very difficult task for them so I don’t blame anybody.”

Ogier made a decision to back off in light of his cautious pacenotes, which in turn made a strong rhythm harder to find on the latter parts of the stage, where he dropped the most time.

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/the-caution-that-cost-ogier-the-monte-carlo-rally-lead/He was a big bit down on Evans before any of the icey downhills and corners at the end of the stage though? Iirc Evans was about 7or8secs up at split 2 on that stage. Loeb I guess would've been more up.

Yes he may have been too cautious towards the end and the gravel notes could've been better, but I don't think he drove well the whole stage regardless.

[mknight]

I wasn't able to follow at all today.

But now when I look on the overall results I have to wonder about all the hype about Greensmith. Yes he won a stage, but is 7th and has 7th time for the leg. So basically similar like in say Croatia last year and it's his 3rd time here in a WRC. Previous year it was also normal with 1-2 good times and a few terrible ones.
For other Pumas Fourmaux crashed from 6th, Breen is 6th and 6th in leg.

If Loeb wasn't there what would we say about the speed of the Puma? Maybe something like "not so much behind"?

Now when Loeb is there we (and MSport) might only wonder what could have been if they had more top drivers......and Loeb is only confirmed for Monte and has schedule conflicts with quite a few rallies for rest of the eason.


(Breen should be better on other rallies where he has more experience, but he still lacks it for half of the rallies in the season. So I really doubt he can challenge for championship)

[EstWRC]

Tänak to Estonian media: "The day started like it ended yesterday, luckily we managed to fix it quickly. After that it went quite okay, if we had Monte like conditions then the car was actually quite okay but if there is dry and good grip tarmac stage then we have problems and we dont have speed but this is a thing we already knew and we know why it is like that. In the end the situation isnt that bad as it first seemed. Yesterday it was stress and chaos but overnight the mechanics did all the needed work and its okay today. I would like to change things for tomorrow and we know what to do but unfortunately we dont have the parts to change the set-up. The car is comfortable to drive but not fast enough but has potential. The snowy parts tomorrow on stage can favour us but it all depends on the tyre choice and how the conditions change overnight."

[becher]

and a little whine as always about starting position.

“Starting first was definitely not an advantage either,” he added.

“The sun was coming through, the road was gaining [speed] faster, especially for Loeb starting half an hour behind us.




“It was a mix of a couple of issues,” Ogier told DirtFish.

“One of those is that probably, with Simon [Jean-Joseph, two-time European Rally Champion and Ogier’s safety crew driver], my gravel crew were a bit on the safe side.

“The information I received from them was very safe and slowed me down quite a lot on the frosty section, which they described a bit more towards being ice.

“That can make a big difference on such a rally. We’ve been talking about it tonight and we said, OK, tomorrow we do better. It’s always a very difficult task for them so I don’t blame anybody.”

Ogier made a decision to back off in light of his cautious pacenotes, which in turn made a strong rhythm harder to find on the latter parts of the stage, where he dropped the most time.

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/the-caution-that-cost-ogier-the-monte-carlo-rally-lead/

It is pretty clear Loeb is still a thorn in Ogiers side, similar comments were made by him in Catalunya 2018.

[becher]

Having watched some of the fan shot vids, these cars could become a better generation than the last when developed. Unreal noise and power, plus they are much more twitchy and difficult to drive which will lead to more moments/ different lines. Not so much on rails with the lesser suspension and aero, and I'm all for it.

Think driver talent can make a bigger difference than the last gen. Look at the two Sebs here....., and you'd sense that someone like McRae, Vatanen, Makinen etc etc etc would love wrestling with these beasts and trying to tame them.

One shouldn't confuse a car with lots of grip with an easy car to drive pretty much anyone can drive a car "on the limit" on snow and play a bit with it, yet very few people would be able to do the same on tarmac.

[Kielder]

Craig was right calling him an "asshole":

https://i.postimg.cc/Vk67N1rm/SS8.png (https://postimg.cc/ZCGPfGxM)

Yes, as Becs said: "Please, be sensible".

[Norm75]

I wasn't able to follow at all today.

But now when I look on the overall results I have to wonder about all the hype about Greensmith. Yes he won a stage, but is 7th and has 7th time for the leg. So basically similar like in say Croatia last year and it's his 3rd time here in a WRC. Previous year it was also normal with 1-2 good times and a few terrible ones.
For other Pumas Fourmaux crashed from 6th, Breen is 6th and 6th in leg.

If Loeb wasn't there what would we say about the speed of the Puma? Maybe something like "not so much behind"?

Now when Loeb is there we (and MSport) might only wonder what could have been if they had more top drivers......and Loeb is only confirmed for Monte and has schedule conflicts with quite a few rallies for rest of the eason.


(Breen should be better on other rallies where he has more experience, but he still lacks it for half of the rallies in the season. So I really doubt he can challenge for championship)
With regards Gus, he just looks more comfortable in the car. Quick from the off yesterday and you are not a poor driver if you can beat both Sebs on stage.

[WRCStan]

Monte has a special rule that only the best 50 cars can start Sunday. Camilli is currently at P71 so they would need 21 cars to retire in front of them tomorrow in order to finish the rally.

Similarly in their class, they are P20. They would need half of the cars retire tomorrow to get any points (and above reason means they couldn't start the power stage).

How do WRC2 Team points work in this situation where an otherwise scoring crew can bothered making it to the cut?

[er88]

Craig was right calling him an "asshole":

https://i.postimg.cc/Vk67N1rm/SS8.png (https://postimg.cc/ZCGPfGxM)

Yes, as Becs said: "Please, be sensible".Twat asking to be run over

[flat_right]

Yeah. They should invent zoom or something, that you could get closer without being closer. Billion dollar idea I think

[dimviii]

Rigostyle video
https://youtu.be/GJoN3XgobE8

[Rally Hokkaido]

That`s a poorest PR I´ve seen in ages.

Not only poor PR, it is against FIA regulations. By entering in an event you are making a contract to compete unless force majeure. OK, others have withdrawn for similar reasons, but they always come up with an excuse. In this case, Camilli's 'honesty is not the best policy'!

[EstWRC]

This is interesting

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220122/91ea49f7bf90b57ee45d21e747529f1b.jpg

[AnttiL]

Not only poor PR, it is against FIA regulations. By entering in an event you are making a contract to compete unless force majeure. OK, others have withdrawn for similar reasons, but they always come up with an excuse. In this case, Camilli's 'honesty is not the best policy'!

What is this contract? I have never heard

[TypeR]

Not only gambling with slicks, Neuville and Tänak take only 1 spare too..

[AnttiL]

I wasn't able to follow at all today.

But now when I look on the overall results I have to wonder about all the hype about Greensmith. Yes he won a stage, but is 7th and has 7th time for the leg. So basically similar like in say Croatia last year and it's his 3rd time here in a WRC. Previous year it was also normal with 1-2 good times and a few terrible ones.
For other Pumas Fourmaux crashed from 6th, Breen is 6th and 6th in leg.

If Loeb wasn't there what would we say about the speed of the Puma? Maybe something like "not so much behind"?

Now when Loeb is there we (and MSport) might only wonder what could have been if they had more top drivers......and Loeb is only confirmed for Monte and has schedule conflicts with quite a few rallies for rest of the eason.


(Breen should be better on other rallies where he has more experience, but he still lacks it for half of the rallies in the season. So I really doubt he can challenge for championship)

Clearly you weren't able to follow...lots of great split times, and both Gus and Seb had one stage without hybrid. Fourmaux was the only one who could match Ogier's splits before crashing. Gus's pace compared to teammates (sans Loeb) has been outstanding. Actually Breen has been slightly disappointing.

So far it seems Puma and Yaris are the best cars but this is just one type of rally, we need to wait until Portugal in May to find out how they work on gravel

[AnttiL]

Not only gambling with slicks, Neuville and Tänak take only 1 spare too..

I dunno, it could be a better choice to go with slicks over that short snow section, studs on tarmac are slippery as well

[TypeR]

I dunno, it could be a better choice to go with slicks over that short snow section, studs on tarmac are slippery as well

True, but can't see two Monte kings, who are battling, doing so wrong choices..
Well, let's see ;)

[AnttiL]

It's also weird that Tänak and Neuville took only one spare for this three-stage bit. On the afternoon it's only two stages.

[AnttiL]

BTW many people were expecting Loix to perform well...he's been 10th on a stage in RC2 at best. Any comments?

[EstWRC]

i have a really bad feeling about Tänaks and Neuvilles tyre choice....

[Rally Hokkaido]

What is this contract? I have never heard
Prior to these days of online registration, the entrant and driver signed their entry form, which always has words like 'agree to abide by FIA regs, supplementary regs, etc. That makes it a contract between organiser and competitor.

[AnttiL]

i have a really bad feeling about Tänaks and Neuvilles tyre choice....

I remember from past years that Neuville has often chosen rather slicks on ice than studs on tarmac, so I think it's his preference. And he hasn't done bad in Monte.

[AnttiL]

Prior to these days of online registration, the entrant and driver signed their entry form, which always has words like 'agree to abide by FIA regs, supplementary regs, etc. That makes it a contract between organiser and competitor.

And what says you cannot retire a rally if you have lost too much time to gain anything?

[EstWRC]

I remember from past years that Neuville has often chosen rather slicks on ice than studs on tarmac, so I think it's his preference. And he hasn't done bad in Monte.

I remember one year also Tänak choose slicks or snow ones compared to others with studs and we thought he is crazy but in the end he didn’t loose at all

It was 2018 or 2019

[Rally Hokkaido]

And what says you cannot retire a rally if you have lost too much time to gain anything?

I understand your argument however the competitor signed an agreement to compete in the event. He is breaking the agreement if he decides to stop at any time or not even start the event without a valid reason. I wonder what was written on his retirement form? Anyway, if the Stewards haven't taken any action, then it is probably not worth us discussing it further.

[AnttiL]

I understand your argument however the competitor signed an agreement to compete in the event. He is breaking the agreement if he decides to stop at any time or not even start the event without a valid reason. I wonder what was written on his retirement form? Anyway, if the Stewards haven't taken any action, then it is probably not worth us discussing it further.

I'm quite sure this isn't the first time this kind of retirement has happened. For a privateer driver, every stage and kilometer is costly. You don't go out on the stages just for fun or to entertain the audience. You want to compete. And if you can not achieve anything, all those tyres, fuel and car maintenance is going to waste. Better save those resources for the next rally.

[dimviii]

BTW many people were expecting Loix to perform well...he's been 10th on a stage in RC2 at best. Any comments?

yeap,me too was expecting more.

[satukata]

Loeb 2 supersoft. disadvantage?

[TypeR]

Loeb 2 supersoft. disadvantage?

on snowy/icy places can be a bit better than soft? crossed with studs maybe?

[er88]

Loeb running low on softs compared to Ogier? Think he used up more yesterday iirc

[Rallyper]

Mawnin´

[seb_sh]

Loeb running low on softs compared to Ogier? Think he used up more yesterday iirc

He did, don't know if he is running low but maybe he has to start to manage it.

[PLuto]

Not only poor PR, it is against FIA regulations. By entering in an event you are making a contract to compete unless force majeure. OK, others have withdrawn for similar reasons, but they always come up with an excuse. In this case, Camilli's 'honesty is not the best policy'!

This is nonsense. It is not against any regulation. It is will of the driver to continue or not.

[Rallyper]

Oliver still has issues with intercom. Shame they didn´t manage to fix it. Möhhh!

And smoke in the car...

[seb_sh]

Oliver still has issues with intercom. Shame they didn´t manage to fix it. Möhhh!

And smoke in the car...

That's incredible, also the smoke problem, it can't be good for his health...

[COD]

BTW many people were expecting Loix to perform well...he's been 10th on a stage in RC2 at best. Any comments?

He is not Loeb and not a young man anymore

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FJsGhf2XMAUHLOU?format=jpg&name=small

[PLuto]

He is not Loeb and not a young man anymore

But half of the surname is same :)

[EstWRC]

Interesting everybody losing a lot to kalle

[er88]

Interesting everybody losing a lot to kalleHopefully Kalle has found some performance

[Rallyper]

Yeah. Kalles time looks better and better...

[Rallyper]

Ott! Driving slow...

[dimviii]

http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_01_2022/post-564-0-68376700-1642836340.jpeg

[EstWRC]

Tänak third year ina row with no points

[TypeR]

3 years in a row, Tänak leaves Monte with 0p?

[er88]

With Kalle finding this pace I find his horrible speed the last day and a half baffling

[Rallyper]

Puncture for Tanak. And one spare. Lost 1:16

[seb_sh]

Tänak third year ina row with no points

Just a puncture and he's not even last yet. But now he has to be careful as he is one of two drivers with only 1 spare...

[TypeR]

Puncture for Tanak. And one spare. Lost 1:16

fk rookie mistake..

[EstWRC]

Every time he chooses to go with one spare he has a puncture

Stupid decisions again.

[er88]

Yeah with nothing huge to win/gain it was silly.

Could maybe understand it if he was 3rd and 15s back from the lead and needing a big push, but...

Poor risk management

[Tauri_J]

More like bad luck

[TypeR]

penalty coming for Neuville? radio (with service/team) wasn't turned off.. Shouldn't have said that maybe :D

[EstWRC]

at least the decision not to change was right...

[EstWRC]

theres a tyre change at mid-day right?

[Tauri_J]

theres a tyre change at mid-day right?

Yes

[er88]

Maybe Loeb not comfortable with the tyre cross over

[TypeR]

Loeb gave 7.4 to Evans and 3.4 to Ogier.
after SS9
1. Loeb
2. Ogier +6.5
3. Evans +14.7

[AnttiL]

I can't believe Tänak doesn't learn from his mistakes

[monsieur moustache]

He said in French that he didn't find his rhythm. And commented that she didn't neither and she said yep.

[henzo]

Well he did, in a sense that he slowed down... But yea, one spare is silly.

[AnttiL]

theres a tyre change at mid-day right?

38 km to go still…and lots of hazards ahead

[satukata]

When rossel got timepenalty?

[er88]

He said in French that he didn't find his rhythm. And commented that she didn't neither and she said yep.If the Maestro says you didn't find your rhythm, you cant argue.

Isabelle has done a great job so far though.

[satukata]

Any info next stage conditions?

[René]

Any info next stage conditions?

https://twitter.com/DirtFishRally/status/1484809386757431298?s=20

[Rally Hokkaido]

SS10 delayed - spectators in unsafe position. Short delay.

[Rallyper]

Swedish Televison doing great Live from RMC. Jonas Kruse (former swedish top rallydriver) and Maria Wallberg teaching swedish citizens about HY.

Bra gjort Jonas.

[Rallyper]

Oliver off. Looked weird.

[pantealex]

How do WRC2 Team points work in this situation where an otherwise scoring crew can bothered making it to the cut?

Those which are cutted out will stay in overall results, if they don't remove cars from parcferme.

They will get time from every Sundays stage (+5? minutes to slowest stage time)

(check last years Sundays times and you will understand)

[becher]

Solberg off

[EstWRC]

that was really weird, just didnt turn

[dimviii]

Ivan Fernandez
@fernischumi
·
43s
30 minutes of penalty to Stéphane Lefebvre that lower him from the leadership in WRC2. His ouvreurs circulated between the finish line and the Stop Control line on SS8 when the stage was already underway #WRC



http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_01_2022/post-157-0-13991000-1642842348.png

[EstWRC]

Gus with a puncture

[becher]

Might be over simplifying it, but these cars might have a bigger tendency to have a lazy front axle on turn in with that 90kg lump in the back. Sort of 911/A110 behavior.

[EstWRC]

sorry seems Gus doesnt have a puncture

[Rallyper]

Are RC1 cars included in the "cut" of 50 cars to start on Sunday?

I mean, teams are not investing in NOT being able to show up last day...

[Essaj]

Are RC1 cars included in the "cut" of 50 cars to start on Sunday?

I mean, teams are not investing in NOT being able to show up last day...

No, they can continue tomorrow even if out of top-50

[Tauri_J]

sorry seems Gus doesnt have a puncture

He does and maybe Even suspension damage

[EstWRC]

Tänak faster than Thierry in spl1 although no spare

[Rally Hokkaido]

He does and maybe Even suspension damage And engine problem - reported misfire.

[dimviii]

seems that Greensmith had and engine problems except puncture

[René]

Gus puncture right rear wheel

https://twitter.com/THenroteaux/status/1484820520696791041?s=20

[meh]

Rovanperä has done a really good split2 > split3

[dimviii]

Sisteron km 8

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FJsbEa-XsAIpelr?format=jpg&name=4096x4096
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FJsbFByXMAMUyT8?format=jpg&name=4096x4096
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FJsbFwQX0AENNTP?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

[EstWRC]

Thierry having problems?

very slow

[seb_sh]

Somehow Katsuta is moving up in the standings :D Or others moving down? :P

[EstWRC]

damn cant see the speed of Hyundais again this morning with their problems

[dimviii]

Valmar Viisel
@paddocknews
·
2m
Thierry Neuville gets 10s penalty due one minute late TC

[Päss1928]

To me it looked like Thierry's front right corner was sitting lower than other corners.

[meh]

Toyota makes it clear here.

[TypeR]

Neuville: ,,Something is broken.. It's over''

[Tauri_J]

To me it looked like Thierry's front right corner was sitting lower than other corners.

Yup something broken there

[Rallyper]

Splits doesn´t work?