56. Renties Ypres Rally Belgium 2021

[Rallyper]

@andre olivera You got mail.

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E8vsevHWEAEWdnR?format=jpg&name=small

[dimviii]

all drivers with 6 hard tyres

[Rallyper]

Gryazin drove to 2nd loop of Friday... but should be att SS13...

[Rallyper]

Oliver in trouble again...?

[Tauri_J]

Gryazin drove to 2nd loop of Friday... but should be att SS13...

What on earth?

[Sulland]

Oliver in trouble again...?

Still servo-steering or something else now?

[dimviii]

M-Sport
@MSportLtd
·
10m
Looking back on @AdrienFourmaux
’s high speed accident yesterday and wow, what a crash Flushed face 170kph at the point he left the road…

[meh]

So I missed SS13 and based on comments here (no comments), nothing happened there ;) Just first stage win for Ogier

[mknight]

Nah just WRC2 turned from comedy to ridiculous levels.

Suninen retired again before stage (maybe for good with engine damage?).

Gryazin went to the start of wrong stage.

Solberg with some issues but he still has 5,5 mins over Huttunen after his two punctures.

So atm Solberg will lead while 10th-ish RC2 and Gryazin will be on podium while 1 hour-ish behind (after timepenalties).

That's worse than rough gravel rallies in WRC2 pro era.

[Mirek]

Before the rally some people were argueing that the locals absolutely can not dominate the RC2. Now there is 8 of them in top 12. Just saying.

[Rallyper]

Before the rally some people were argueing that the locals absolutely can not dominate the RC2. Now there is 8 of them in top 12. Just saying.

Not in speed, but in experience, which gave them the advance being high.

[jonkka]

Before the rally some people were argueing that the locals absolutely can not dominate the RC2. Now there is 8 of them in top 12. Just saying.

When every one else crashes, even the slowest competitor can win, eh?

[Mirek]

Not in speed, but in experience, which gave them the advance being high.

Sorry but that is wrong in every point of view.

1) It's easy to be fast but not to finish. Countless examples of that.
2) The locals have been pretty fast. Bedoret and Cracco jr. (big surprise for me) has been among the fastest by pure speed, especially Bedoret has been the fastest of all to this time fair and square. Third after yesterday and clearly fastest of all today.


When every one else crashes, even the slowest competitor can win, eh?

Everyone can drive fast and crash. It's part of the game not to trash it, eh?

[Sulland]

Before the rally some people were argueing that the locals absolutely can not dominate the RC2. Now there is 8 of them in top 12. Just saying.

Being a such a special rally, is also why none of the current top drivers choose to participate here.
If it should rain there it becomes insanly slippery, due to the farming machines.

[Rallyper]

Sorry but that is wrong in every point of view.

1) It's easy to be fast but not to finish. Countless examples of that.
2) The locals have been pretty fast. Bedoret and Cracco jr. (big surprise for me) has been among the fastest by pure speed, especially Bedoret has been the fastest of all to this time fair and square. Third after yesterday and clearly fastest of all today.


Absolutely not wrong in any way.

If you´re not fast you´ll never win. None of the top guys in WRC2 like to cruise. That´s why we have this outcome.

Nevertheless, the local guys are fast in this rally.

You´d like all of the local heroes to go to Rally Finland then? Maybe they win there as well? :)

[Mirek]

Being a such a special rally, is also why none of the current top drivers choose to participate here.

IMHO Suninen, Huttunen, Solberg, Gryazin are top drivers and they should not end being beaten like this (with the exception being Solberg who was just unlucky unlike his more experienced colleagues).

[Rallyper]

Solberg still suffering from powersteering failure.

[Mirek]

Absolutely not wrong in any way.

If you´re not fast you´ll never win. None of the top guys in WRC2 like to cruise.

Man, after being in Ypres ten times I dare to say that the only thing they did this year is that they coppied countless fails of many others before them. What we see is an absolutely standard way of how Ypres usually unfolds.

[Rallyper]

So what you say is the top crews should have given up before the rally, not even trying to be fast?

However the lack of experience was there, as you say. No doubt. That was the point.

[Mirek]

So what you say is the top crews should have given up before the rally, not even trying to be fast?

However the lack of experience was there, as you say. No doubt. That was the point.

They won't get fast here by crashing on the first day. You don't get the experience by that.

[Rallyper]

They won't get fast here by crashing on the first day. You don't get the experience by that.

They wasn´t in Ypres to crash. They are there for win. In WRC2. Not WRC3, actually. And without experience, too...

I admit, as a teamboss meybe I´d give some advices picked up from local heroes, but doubt it´d helped much...

[Mirek]

They wasn´t in Ypres to crash. They are there for win. In WRC2. Not WRC3, actually. And without experience, too...

I admit, as a teamboss meybe I´d give some advices picked up from local heroes, but doubt it´d helped much...

This is at least a decade old discussion which you can find even here on the forum if you follow previous Ypres editions. The thing is that there was a guy named Freddy Loix who won this event ten or eleven times. Nearly every year he won in IRC or ERC there was the very same talk: "Loix won by pure luck. Others were faster, they were just unlucky." Yet it was still the same Loix who was lucky and the same others who were unlucky. There is one thing you can learn from that: It is always possible to go faster but it counts only if you can come fastest in the finish of the event. Even Neuville and Breen failed several times in this very same way before they finally learned how to drive here.

[mknight]

IMHO Suninen, Huttunen, Solberg, Gryazin are top drivers and they should not end being beaten like this (with the exception being Solberg who was just unlucky unlike his more experienced colleagues).
None of these ever actually won a WRC or ERC tarmac rally in R5 afaik. So among the fastest R5 drivers yes, but not tarmac aces. ( Well Gryazin can be faster than anyone...until crashing)

Suninen was leading, with 22s to first Belgian before the off. After Friday it was Rossel, Solberg +17. I don't count Rossel as Belgian but I dunno how those French rallies he did look like. In either case he is still in close fight for win.

It's not like the Belgians don't crash (Vanneste, Princen, Tsjoen...), it's that there are many of them with very similar pace.

Anyway my main point was the crazy WRC2 gaps, much bigger than even on most gravel rallies.

[Rallyper]

This is at least a decade old discussion which you can find even here on the forum if you follow previous Ypres editions. The thing is that there was a guy named Freddy Loix who won this event ten or eleven times. Nearly every year he won in IRC or ERC there was the very same talk: "Loix won by pure luck. Others were faster, they were just unlucky." Yet it was still the same Loix who was lucky and the same others who were unlucky. There is one thing you can learn from that: It is always possible to go faster but it counts only if you can come fastest in the finish of the event. Even Neuville and Breen failed several times in this very same way before they finally learned how to drive here.

Did I say anything about luck? Did I say they were unlucky? Read once again before starting to yell...

I said they are up there bcs of experience. Or rather the other way around. Top guys lack of experience.
I never even said local heroes couldn´t dominate. Because I never was thinking about that matter.

[Mirek]

Suninen was leading, with 22s to first Belgian before the off. After Friday it was Rossel, Solberg +17. I don't count Rossel as Belgian but I dunno how those French rallies he did look like. In either case he is still in close fight for win..

The past editions have shown over and over again that results after the first or second loop are of little importance.

[meh]

My piece of offtopic - most of the times when I see Mirek in action in this forum: http://goodnewsplanet.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/310683B6-110F-4285-9901-16E575E5F424.jpeg

[meh]

Not sure, maybe it's already posted here, but 2000 EUR fine for Taka because didn't press "ok" button in 1 minute after crash.... (Facepalm!)

https://twitter.com/HartusvuoriWRC/status/1426547274264588288/photo/1

[Rallyper]

GG with technical problems. Driving in roadmode.

[itix]

Still servo-steering or something else now?He's been loosing time consistently throughout the day so yeah I imagine.

There was just a regroup midday today right? No service?

[Mirek]

He's been loosing time consistently throughout the day so yeah I imagine.

There was just a regroup midday today right? No service?

There was a service. Oliver said the car was working when leaving the service but the power steering stopped working again after some 5-6 km of the first stage in the second loop.

[Rallyper]

He's been loosing time consistently throughout the day so yeah I imagine.

There was just a regroup midday today right? No service?

Oliver said that they tried to fix it. It had function on the liasion and a couple of K´s on first stage but failed again after that.

Edit: you were first, Mirek... :) :)

[Rallyper]

What an impressive performance from Oliver and aaron this afternoon...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Another superb day for Rovanpera - a great example of how to drive when you're young, with low experience and never driven a rally here before.

[Rallyper]

Another superb day for Rovanpera - a great example of how to drive when you're young, with low experience and never driven a rally here before.

Quite a good sum up. See you tomorrow, all.

[Sulland]

Is there electric or hydraulic servo on the i20s?

[satnav]

Ogier's time for SS 10 has been adjusted again;

SS 10 – DIKKEBUS 1
Following the Clerk of the Course Decision No. 12 on the allocation of a notional time for all cars affected by
the interruption of SS 10, the Clerk of the Course
DECIDES
to apply Art. 52 of the 2021 FIA WRC Sporting Regulations and reallocates the times as follows:

Car No. 1 6.25.6

[Mirek]

Is there electric or hydraulic servo on the i20s?

Based on those marks of liquid on Oliver's windscreen I guess hydraulic.

[SubaruNorway]

Katsuta's crash from the outside in the comments on this one
https://www.facebook.com/rallyemag/posts/10159926329559973

[AnttiL]

Ogier's time for SS 10 has been adjusted again;

SS 10 – DIKKEBUS 1
Following the Clerk of the Course Decision No. 12 on the allocation of a notional time for all cars affected by
the interruption of SS 10, the Clerk of the Course
DECIDES
to apply Art. 52 of the 2021 FIA WRC Sporting Regulations and reallocates the times as follows:

Car No. 1 6.25.6

I think they used the results of the second run of that stage to create the notional time. The thing is just that Ogier likely wouldn't have performed so well on the morning loop due to road cleaning. Evans was faster on all the three other morning stages.

[Rallyper]

Based on those marks of liquid on Oliver's windscreen I guess hydraulic.

Could it be a electro-hydraulic device?

[Yugo_para_siempre]

I think they used the results of the second run of that stage to create the notional time. The thing is just that Ogier likely wouldn't have performed so well on the morning loop due to road cleaning. Evans was faster on all the three other morning stages.

Based on the splits of SS 10, Ogier was faster from Evans and Rovanpera by some margin.
Maybe, they had evidence that he would be faster also at the finish of the stage.

[Essaj]

Based on the splits of SS 10, Ogier was faster from Evans and Rovanpera by some margin.
Maybe, they had evidence that he would be faster also at the finish of the stage.

I'm like 99% sure that Ogier didn't pass a single split. Katsutas accident was like 1km from the start :D

[dimviii]

https://youtu.be/NvIWCVS7osk

[RS]

Nah just WRC2 turned from comedy to ridiculous levels.

Suninen retired again before stage (maybe for good with engine damage?).

Gryazin went to the start of wrong stage.

Solberg with some issues but he still has 5,5 mins over Huttunen after his two punctures.

So atm Solberg will lead while 10th-ish RC2 and Gryazin will be on podium while 1 hour-ish behind (after timepenalties).

That's worse than rough gravel rallies in WRC2 pro era.

Hopefully from next year when the WRC promoter also has ERC they can persuade the FIA to scrap this WRC2/3 divide and instead have works supported drivers in WRC2 and true privateers/young guys in ERC.

[Yugo_para_siempre]

I'm like 99% sure that Ogier didn't pass a single split. Katsutas accident was like 1km from the start :D

You are correct.
My bad, I am sorry, I was confused, from another stage.
Please ignore my previous comment.

[MartijnS]

Joost his video!

https://youtu.be/oCKTJxB9zIM

[doubled1978]

Another superb day for Rovanpera - a great example of how to drive when you're young, with low experience and never driven a rally here before.

Yes I agree, excellent from him.

[rp]

Suninen can not continue tomorrow. What a disaster for M-Sport in WRC2 also and both drivers made mistakes. Time to find new paying drivers!

[denkimi]

Another superb day for Rovanpera - a great example of how to drive when you're young, with low experience and never driven a rally here before.

i agree. i didn't excepted him to make it so far, but he has pleasantly surprised me.

[rp]

Another superb day for Rovanpera - a great example of how to drive when you're young, with low experience and never driven a rally here before.

It´s unbelievable how Kalle is able to drive as fast as Evans & Ogier with so little tarmac experience with the World Rally Car. Super talent indeed, but of course he is already the WRC winner!

[AnttiL]

It´s unbelievable how Kalle is able to drive as fast as Evans & Ogier with so little tarmac experience with the World Rally Car. Super talent indeed, but of course he is already WRC winner!

I’m a Kalle fan, but I’ve still been blown away by his pace and flawless performance. Impressive job to be so equal to the more experienced teammates in this difficult event where many young drivers ended up in the ditch.

[Eli]

I’m a Kalle fan, but I’ve still been blown away by his pace and flawless performance. Impressive job to be so equal to the more experienced teammates in this difficult event where many young drivers ended up in the ditch.

Hopefully he can keep it on the road tomorrow, in any case, he's been mightily impressive here considering the fact he has significantly less experience on tarmac than his team mates with a WRC car.

[denkimi]

It´s unbelievable how Kalle is able to drive as fast as Evans & Ogier with so little tarmac experience with the World Rally Car. Super talent indeed, but of course he is already the WRC winner!
What i believe is his main advantage here is that ogier and Evans have just as little experience. Except for breen and neuville this is a virgin rally for everyone.

Butt no matter what, i'm impressed by kalle.

[dimviii]

Teemu Suninen Racing
@TeemuSuninenRac
·
3h
Waving black flag Sadly we won't be able to continue the #YpresRally tomorrow. This is to avoid causing any further damage to the overheated engine. But we found a good feeling with the Ford Fiesta Rally2 this weekend and even had the confidence to push, and set fastest times once again.

[dimviii]

Fin level for Belgian spectators
https://twitter.com/BjornStorme/status/1426650525664260099

[Integrale]

It has been said before, this scenario is typically Ypres. But I'm impressed by those who are able to break the trend.

Rovanpera is unbelievable in his car control at such a young age. At Dikkebus 2 he took a series of downhill kinks so beautifully. You think he's losing it, but he just uses a bit more of the road. To do that constantly is impressive. It's a joy to watch.

Tanak as well. I'm dissapointed he had that puncture, because he was driving smart.

Neuville does what he has to do. You notice he's more at ease with the cuts, bumps and grip changes. And speed doesn't bother him at all. Where others left brake, he goes flat.

Breen is amazing and I would like him to fight for the win, but sadly that won't happen. I've seen him yesterday drifting like 10 centimeters away from a concrete pole on the outside after a fast blind corner. Brave but also insane! He really deserves a fulltime seat.

Ogier isn't doing bad, but his whining kind of annoys me. So it probably blurs my judgement. :)

Fourmaux, Loubet, Greensmith, Katsuta are the victims of this rally (and many more). The crash from Katsuta was at a weird spot. I didn't see the beginning, but the end looked really bad with that group of spectators there. Luckily everybody got away. Someone heard Katsuta tell to Ogier he didn't expect a bump there and couldn't turn in. Pretty incredible they got that pole out of the way in that amount of time.

See you tomorrow for something completely different.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210814/36cc67528c17c17f2af75932cc4bfe95.jpg

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[Myrvold]

Loubet had front right puncture before going off


It feels like I am saying this in every rally. It's a though life being a Loubet-fan :)

[Integrale]

Goodmorning :)https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210815/e0b1e38d5338059881fd1f2a35ede398.jpg

[meh]

It feels like I am saying this in every rally. It's a though life being a Loubet-fan :)

Now think about all estonians or Tänak's fans in general. At least we got year 2019 :)

[TheFlyingTuga]

Oliver Solberg will not start the day!

https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=373742560774181&set=a.196706305144475

Huttunen and Gryazin are the sole survivers

[TypeR]

WRCs on fast F1 sections are a bit weird :D similar to Rally Estonia's powerstage.. all weekend such nice stages and beautiful nature and last day you have stages behind narrow fences and outdoor WC's..

[wwbroe]

Ott on a charge;)

[wwbroe]

Flat tyre for Ogier loosing 6,9 sec, fastest time for Kalle sofar

[meh]

Ou ou, Breen 6.6s down in split 1, puncture?

edit 1: ALL-live reported moment on the stage

edit 2: "clipped a bank" from Becs

edit 3: 7.6sec lost to Rovanperä at the stage end, car seems ok.

[Erki]

I dunno, I have to say I don't mind them driving on the F1 circuit here. The stage looks way more attractive than Estonia's PS.

[wwbroe]

Breen slow on split

[wwbroe]

Thierry is trough, loosing 1,4 to Kalle

[krissucool]

Breen slow on split

Your mother is slow on splits.

[mknight]

Oliver Solberg will not start the day!

https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=373742560774181&set=a.196706305144475

Huttunen and Gryazin are the sole survivers

Just when I thought it couldn't get more ridiculous in WRC2.

Gryazin on the way to get his best result of the season with 2nd place 40 mins behind Huttunen who will win with 2 punctures...

[dimviii]

Rossel took 5,8 sec from Bedoret

[wwbroe]

Stage 18 delayed

[wwbroe]

Vanneste lost a lot, about a minute on the stage

[wwbroe]

The opening cars will have to run again trough te stage

Both 00 and 0 car back on stage

[Essaj]

00 only now going in, this will take a while...

[jonkka]

Just when I thought it couldn't get more ridiculous in WRC2.

Gryazin on the way to get his best result of the season with 2nd place 40 mins behind Huttunen who will win with 2 punctures...

When you only have five participants it's bound to get ridiculous. Same problem plagued WRC2-Pro in the day.

[TypeR]

Another stage delayed..

[TheFlyingTuga]

Just when I thought it couldn't get more ridiculous in WRC2.

Gryazin on the way to get his best result of the season with 2nd place 40 mins behind Huttunen who will win with 2 punctures...

2nd if Huttunen does not have problems until the end!

[mknight]

When you only have five participants it's bound to get ridiculous. Same problem plagued WRC2-Pro in the day.

Yes but that usually happens on rough gravel. On tarmac with no rain it's a bit surprising.


2nd if Huttunen does not have problems until the end!

I hear you.... based on how it went som far everything is possible.

[mousti]

Another stage delayed..Maybe also 2nd one to get cancelled.

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[TypeR]

300kms away and drivers can wait some more :D Stage mostly on closed circuit and still troubles preparing it on time..

[wwbroe]

Twenty minutes delay

[mousti]

300kms away and drivers can wait some more :D Stage mostly on closed circuit and still troubles preparing it on time..That's the problem. Circuit is boring for most so lots of People want to stand on the section outside the circuit. And that's not much..

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[Rallyper]

This ends up as a clownrally... :( :(

[Tauri_J]

Look how they massacred Eau Rouge :eek:

[Erki]

The previous stage was much better...

[Tauri_J]

Stage time deleted for Seb Ogier...if this would be F1 lol

[meh]

Really strong stage times from Tänak and Rovanperä

[wwbroe]

Bedoret loosing a lot of time, Rossel in the lead and Cracco second now

[EstWRC]

Very weird lines from Ogier today on the circuit and hasn’t been quite himself all the weekend

[Integrale]

Rovanpera incredible passage here. Wow.

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[meh]

Quite surprised actually, that Toyota can not match/beat Hyundai's - all 3 Toyotas fight for position and no Hyundai is fighting for position anymore but they are still faster than Toyotas.

[wwbroe]

Bedoret clearly has some kind of issue, loosing time on every stage

Edit: transmission problems for Bedoret

[AnttiL]

WRCs on fast F1 sections are a bit weird :D similar to Rally Estonia's powerstage.. all weekend such nice stages and beautiful nature and last day you have stages behind narrow fences and outdoor WC's..

Only half of first stage and fifth of power stage is inside the circuit

[mknight]

Very weird lines from Ogier today on the circuit and hasn’t been quite himself all the weekend


Quite surprised actually, that Toyota can not match/beat Hyundai's - all 3 Toyotas fight for position and no Hyundai is fighting for position anymore but they are still faster than Toyotas.

Agree, specially on the circuit the Toyotas seem quite lost.

Ogier just has no grip. Evans with lots of oversteer in the morning and lifting inside wheel. Rovanpera better, but now with visible understeer.

Maybe tried "desperately" to change setup for the other parts.

Anyway something to think about for Spain and Japan ( very different surface though), cause Hyundai really focused on tarmac (3? testing rallies so far this year).

[mknight]

Only half of first stage and fifth of power stage is inside the circuit

I actually like these two stages, especially the little we saw from the parts outside the circuit.

[wwbroe]

I think these two stages are rather nice, especially the parts outside of the circuit.

[Mirek]

It looks much nicer than Monza to me, to be honest.

[mousti]

I think these two stages are rather nice, especially the parts outside of the circuit.Big pity that the first one got quite shortened. Some very nice parts there aswell.

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[jonkka]

It looks much nicer than Monza to me, to be honest.

Monza was somewhat depressing with the sleet and such.

[mknight]

So WRC2 did manage to turn evenw more ridiculous after all.

Gryazin will get 4 powerstage points for this...

[Mirek]

Gryazin driving really slow through. Some mechanical problems...

[wwbroe]

Looks like he is in road mode

[wwbroe]

Is it a powersteering problem?

[meh]

WRC2 - if you are last (finisher) in your category, you are more than 43min behind the leader (who also have lost few minutes)... and you'll get 2nd place.

[wwbroe]

WRC2 - if you are last (finisher) in your category, you are more than 43min behind the leader (who also have lost few minutes)... and you'll get 2nd place.
And some points on PS:D

[mknight]

Well on the other hand this is the first time this year that WRC2 car won't be fastest Rally2 on a PS, and only second time when it's not fastest in the rally.

It was just the combination of lowest number of starters this year and massive attrition.

[doubled1978]

Gryazin driving really slow through. Some mechanical problems...

It’s had a hard life that car!

[Mirek]

Huttunen also in troubles. Stalled engine in a hairpin and possibly having power steering issues too. Ridiculous.

[mknight]

Everytime I write it's getting ridiculous it gets even worse....

Next is one retiring after PS and the second one getting DQed...

[Tauri_J]

Loubet is awfully slow too lol

[Mirek]

Loubet also driving like a snail... now stopped to change a tyre.

[ipe]

Can't drive fast with broken tire.

[meh]

did they attach the tire?

[Mirek]

Ostberg was allegedly speculating that Gryazin was running out of fuel hence why he drove slowly in the road mode. He refused to comment what was the issue.

[mknight]

Lol so Gryazin was running out of fuel....

(insert funny comment about electric cars)

[Matchbox826]

Could be fuel amount miscalculation at refuel

[Mirek]

Could be fuel amount miscalculation at refuel

Of course it was.

[mknight]

Losing almost 2 secs to Tanak on the last circuit part for Ogier.

[Mirek]

Evans just created an obstacle for others behind him...

[meh]

Losing almost 2 secs to Tanak on the last circuit part for Ogier.

it also contains this slippery gravel part

[jonkka]

Evans just created an obstacle for others behind him...

It'll be repositioned.

[Sulland]

Evans just created an obstacle for others behind him...

Organizers have time to adjust the tyrebulk.

[doubled1978]

Toyota’s look to be really understeering…

[meh]

Tänak have driven 7 PowerStage this year and won 4 of them.

[TypeR]

nice rally winner donuts! perfect weekend for Neuville-Wydaeghe

[mknight]

Congratulations to Neuville.

He handled the home rally pressure perfectly, with seemingly no moments. Compared to Tanak in Estonia it's quite a surprising difference.

Another Congratulations to Breen. Imo his best rally ever. For first time showing it might be good idea to run him on other than fast gravel/snow events. Off course he had lots of experience here even being the only guy driving a rally here last year in WRC car, but still he performed. Makes the silly season interesting again. Will Adamo sign him for more starts (maybe even dropping Sordo completely?) or will MSport take him at their expense? Would he want to "risk" MSport if he gets offered say 10/14 starts at Hyundai?

Disappointment of the rally is all Toyotas, but Ogier especially. Nevertheless he got ok points...like he usually does.

[bomber21]

This result is good for the championship. If Toyotas won again, there would be no interest for the rest of the season. Great job from Neuville!

And now Greece!!!

[EstWRC]

after 1 year and 7 months finally a win for Thierry. Congrats to all of his fans and belgian people, great drive


maybe next year the rally wil be more interesting when all the drivers have done it now but i would prefer Rally Germany back instead of this

[mknight]

The rally itself was quite bad for me.

The biggest problem beeing how similar basically all stages were on first two days. Every second corner and junction looked the same. Combined with 1s differences per stage and no big position changes it wasn't very exciting. ( Would likely have been very different if it rained).

The last day was nice and saved it a bit, but too few kms. If it should run again the route should be diversified as much as possible. For example 2 night stages, one very long stage (like 35km), trying to combined roads of same character or even moving one more day to some other part of Belgium with different roads.

Germany with the 3 different stage types and amazing views is completely different level.

[mousti]

Ogier has been weighed 3 times already 1 kg under limit..

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[rp]

Germany with the 3 different stage types and amazing views is completely different level.

That´s true! The Mosel region is special...

[Eli]

I actually enjoyed the rally a lot, and the views also. Sure it wasn't as action packed as it is usually in rallies like Deutschland or other tarmac events but you do have to bare in mind, only the top 2 had previous experience in this rally so catching them would always be a tough task. If anything the last day was a let down, didn't enjoy seeing the stages and the cars going into the Spa circuit just looked ridiculous, a part from taking more money from the fans, I see no reason why the crews need to be dragged for 318 km's for just 40km's of competitive action. Not very eco-friendly but hey at least we get hybrid cars next year so we can say we're a green, Eco caring championship. It felt, and looked like a joke, if they can make it 3 days out of 3 in Ypres, with (proper) night stages, would be nice to see this rally again in this championship.

[AnttiL]

Neuville doing donuts after the finish line, what do the rules say about turning back between the finish line and time control? At least you're not allowed to stop during that.

( :D )

[Mirek]

The biggest problem beeing how similar basically all stages were on first two days. Every second corner and junction looked the same.

That's actually the main specific of the event and what makes it difficult. It all looks the same and you need to trust the notes totally becasuse there is often nothing along the road to memorize. Also usually you can guess where the road is leading from the character of the countryside, houses etc. Here you get random corners and junctions with no logic whatsoever, sometimes among high corn where you drive like in a labyrinth of sort. I changed my view on the event completely when I first went there and drove some stages myself.

[mknight]

What I liked about the circuit part is exactly what Porter said. That they didn't place any chicanes/artificial stuff on the circuit itself. Specially the long turns of the first stage were nice to watch. Combined with the nice and tricky sections on normal roads it was cool. But off course wouldn't be nice to have whole stage on the circuit.

Basically the stages showing the whole point of rallying. The can drive like crazy on normal roads..and it can do that on the circuit as well.

[mknight]

That's actually the main specific of the event and what makes it difficult. It all looks the same and you need to trust the notes totally becasuse there is often nothing along the road to memorize. Also usually you can guess where the road is leading from the character of the countryside, houses etc. Here you get random corners and junctions with no logic whatsoever, sometimes among high corn where you drive like in a labyrinth of sort. I changed my view on the event completely when I first went there and drove some stages myself.

It can be difficult and challenging and at the same time boring to watch...

Onboards were ok, but outside cameras were massively boring to me. Specially watching some dusty corners where WRCs went at 50 kph.. The spectacle was missing.

[Mirek]

It can be difficult and challenging and at the same time boring to watch...

Onboards were ok, but outside cameras were massively boring to me. Specially watching some dusty corners where WRCs went at 50 kph.. The spectacle was missing.

That's probably also about where they place the cameras. They should have asked Tommeke or some other our Belgian members to tell them where to place cameras. In the past I enjoyed being there a lot. It is a crazy spectacular event if you do your homework and select places properly.

[krissucool]

Ogier has been weighed 3 times already 1 kg under limit..

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Maybe he just took a big dump...

[AnttiL]

What I liked about the circuit part is exactly what Porter said. That they didn't place any chicanes/artificial stuff on the circuit itself. Specially the long turns of the first stage were nice to watch. Combined with the nice and tricky sections on normal roads it was cool. But off course wouldn't be nice to have whole stage on the circuit.

Basically the stages showing the whole point of rallying. The can drive like crazy on normal roads..and it can do that on the circuit as well.

On the first stage they had picked a section of the circuit with tight bends and it looked good, but on power stage it was just long straights (looking like driving alone on a motorway) and hairpins.

[focus206]

Good job by Neuville and Breen, I underestimated their advantage for Ypres, and finally a positive weekend for Hyundai.
Impressed by Rovanpera, beating his teammates on asphalt. This wasn't Toyota's rally and definitely not Ogier's rally, but as you can see, still 3rd - 4th - 5th... when Hyundai and its drivers have a bad rally, it's DNF. So nothing to worry about for Toyota and Ogier, the championship is theirs to lose.

[denkimi]

It can be difficult and challenging and at the same time boring to watch...

Onboards were ok, but outside cameras were massively boring to me. Specially watching some dusty corners where WRCs went at 50 kph.. The spectacle was missing.

In ypres you need to go and watch 170km/h corners. There you can see the difference between drivers.

[jmwachuya]

Ogier has been weighed 3 times already 1 kg under limit..

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[denkimi]

After event scruteering, so is he likely to get a penalty for that?

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Should be disqualification i suppose.

But it turns out the alpine of bux was also under weight, and he got 30 minutes penalty.

[jmwachuya]

Should be disqualification i suppose.

But it turns out the alpine of bux was also under weight, and he got 30 minutes penalty.Would be big blow if he gets penalty. But rules are rules... I'm sure the yellow page is on the way. If the allegations are true

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[Rallyper]

Congrats to Neuville. did the job.

Breen also surprisingly good job.
Kalle and Oliver men of the rally. Kalle is more and more candidate for 2022 WDC.

[doubled1978]

On the first stage they had picked a section of the circuit with tight bends and it looked good, but on power stage it was just long straights (looking like driving alone on a motorway) and hairpins.

Spa is a fast, open circuit even for F1, so it was always going to be tricky to not make a WRC car just look plain slow. I thought Tanaks comment about needing an extra 500bhp was quite funny!

[Tauri_J]

Dunno If posted.

https://f1i.com/news/414918-spa-circuit-boss-nathalie-maillet-killed-by-husband.html

Horrible news

[Fast Eddie WRC]

No entry for Ingram is a bit of a surprise, especially with him being with SXM Competition who are a Belgian team.

Chris Ingram @ChrisIngramGB

Why oh why did I not do Ypres ?! Nevermind. Onwards and upwards with the plan...

[mknight]

Kalle and Oliver men of the rally.

Seriously....

[Integrale]

https://www.facebook.com/101904032011490/posts/170202295181663/

Some nice spots. Don't know where WRC+ guys were filming, but you need to do your homework.

[Integrale]

https://www.facebook.com/TimVanParijs.KurtHeyndrickx/videos/216432016965319/

Timothy Van Parijs slides into the ditch. 15 seconds later the cable is attached.

[Eli]

Is there any news regarding Ogier? Will he be disqualified?

[TypeR]

I doubt they dsq Ogier or give any penalty..

[mknight]

The guys that got 30 min penalty were 7 kg underweight.

So I doubt Ogier gets bigger penalty than one that puts him behind Tanak (1 position). (So no more than 10 min).

[Tauri_J]

Being underweight is a slam dunk penalty. But how harsh remains to be seen....

[PLuto]

Being underweight is a slam dunk penalty. But how harsh remains to be seen....

I remember two situations in ERC few years ago. David Botka has lost sumpguard, arrived to regrouping and after inspection car was underweight. Result? Disqualified... Another example was Rally Islas Canarias and czech 2WD junior driver. In the first leg he was few kgs underweight (their mistake, didnt know that they are calculating weight with only spare wheel, despite they had two). And result? Disqualified. Not allowed him to do second leg, despite he told he is there only for gaining experience, so he only wanted to do the stages and can retire personally after last stage...

In terms of these experiences, any time penalty or no penalty is funny...

[jmwachuya]

The guys that got 30 min penalty were 7 kg underweight.

So I doubt Ogier gets bigger penalty than one that puts him behind Tanak (1 position). (So no more than 10 min).I would think a breach of rule would cut across, doesn't matter if you're 1kg less or 7kg less.... It remains to be a breach of a regulation..and I would opine the penalty will be uniformly distributed, as the rule says!

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[dimviii]

Νeuvilles tasty donuts
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10226905849696344&id=1355751175

[cali]

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[dimviii]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHIVEkIKObg

[dimviii]

Andrea Ettori
@AndreaEttori
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7h
Top Speed in discesa verso Eau RougeRoller coaster

Hyundai 187 km/h
Toyota 192 km/h
Ford 196 km/h

[Mirek]

Andrea Ettori
@AndreaEttori
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7h
Top Speed in discesa verso Eau RougeRoller coaster

Hyundai 187 km/h
Toyota 192 km/h
Ford 196 km/h

There were quite many RPM limiter sections in the rally and the top speeds I saw on all live correspond to that post.

[Tauri_J]

Top speed is pretty useless stat in WRC.

[AnttiL]

And we got already those numbers in Arctic Rally. If it proves something, it's that Ford's problems on fast sections is not due to the engine, it's more about the chassis and aero working together on the fast bends.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

"Best of the Ypres newbies" - Kalle & Jonne did a brilliant job !

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E81sXSFXoAIeTs3?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

[mknight]

Final classification just released, so doesn't look like any penalty.

[jmwachuya]

Final classification just released, so doesn't look like any penalty.So Ogier escapes penalty.
Kindly share final classified results

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[Arnold Triyudho Wardono]

Dunno If posted.

https://f1i.com/news/414918-spa-circuit-boss-nathalie-maillet-killed-by-husband.html

Horrible newsMan, that's FXXKed up.. My condolences..

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[Integrale]

The photographer refused to come out of his dangerous spot in a corn field (kept on going back) and got the stage cancelled for everyone.

[MentalParadox]

Speaking of safety, during the rally I had not one, but TWO unpleasant encounters with Michelle Mouton. The first was on Zonnebeke 1. A safety marshall told me it was okay for me to walk the stage for a couple hundred meters to reach a hairpin (the one just across the bridge over the highway). So, I did as he suggested and went on my way. Literally 30 seconds later Michelle pulls up in her FIA Safety Delegate car and scolds me for walking on the stage. I told her the truth: I would obey, but the safety marshall told me it was okay. She just said she'd told her marshalls not to let anyone on the stage anymore, and that if I did not obey immediately she'd cancel the stage. I left the stage, thinking this one marshall and friends clearly didn't get that memo.

The second was on Dikkebus 2. We were standing behind the tape, guarded by another safety marshall, when Michelle again pulled up and said we were standing in a dangerous spot. Even though people had been standing in that exact same spot during the first run of Dikkebus, and it was marked with tape. We all had to move and the marshall had to move the tape.

I think both of these incidents highlight a problem with communication among organisers (Belgian marshalls working for Rally Ypres vs the FIA).

[Rallyper]

Seriously....

You tell me why not, instead of sarcasm...

[Mirek]

You tell me why not, instead of sarcasm...

Because there is not a single reason why yes.

[Rallyper]

Because there is not a single reason why yes.

What an answer you got up to. Nice work man.

Man of the forum, yes.

[Mirek]

What an answer you got up to. Nice work man.

Man of the forum, yes.

Sir, if you want to claim that someone was a man of the rally, it means that the individual achieved something extraordinary in the event. Since there was nothing extraordinary achieved by Oliver Solberg and in fact nothing at all, it is up to you to bring support for your, frankly ridiculous, claim.

[MentalParadox]

Sir, if you want to claim that someone was a man of the rally, it means that the individual achieved something extraordinary in the event. Since there was nothing extraordinary achieved by Oliver Solberg and in fact nothing at all, it is up to you to bring support for your, frankly ridiculous, claim.

He was leading the rally before an electrical glitch meant he couldn't start Sunday.

[Mirek]

He was leading the rally before an electrical glitch meant he couldn't start Sunday.¨

He was not, he was tenth among RC2 drivers at the end of Saturday: https://rally-base.com/2021/renties-ypres-rally-belgium-2021/?ssId=6359&cupId=209&ssGroupId=1

At no point of the rally he was leading even before his power steering issues.

[Rallyper]

I also mentioned Kalle. You forgot that.

I know Oliver doesn´t suit your references. It´s ok for me, but keep it for yourself.

Else I know you have technical knowledge that we all appreciate. Go on with that. I like it.

[focus206]

He was leading the rally before an electrical glitch meant he couldn't start Sunday.

In the joke WRC2 championship. Behind Bedoret, Rossel, Cracco, Verschueren, Kreim, McErlean, Casier, De Mevius and De Cecco.
Solberg did a good enough job, but in no way he could be considered "man of the rally" above Neuville, Breen, Rovanpera and Rossel.

[Mirek]

I also mentioned Kalle. You forgot that.

Nobody argued about Kalle. neither me, nor mknight.

[mousti]

Ypres has an agreement with the promotor to be the next year and year after to be in the ERC championship and then eventually again on the WRC Calendar.

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[Franky]

The photographer refused to come out of his dangerous spot in a corn field (kept on going back) and got the stage cancelled for everyone.

Think Sal is referring to Ree being moved to another spot on SS8 and the picture got blown up with "confiscated" online. When it wasn't exactly like that.

Tho there seem to be plenty of photographers who weren't happy on Friday.

[AnttiL]

¨

He was not, he was tenth among RC2 drivers at the end of Saturday: https://rally-base.com/2021/renties-ypres-rally-belgium-2021/?ssId=6359&cupId=209&ssGroupId=1

At no point of the rally he was leading even before his power steering issues.

I think we can rate Oliver's performance only through Friday. He made the fastest RC2 time on SS7 and didn't set a foot wrong, which is decent, but not enough for being one of the best drivers of the rally. By SS6 he was fifth in RC2, 25 seconds behind Suninen.

Meanwhile, Rossel did an amazing job in RC2, winning the class on his first start in the event.

[focus206]

From what I've gathered from this forum, Gino Bux got 30 minutes of penalty for having his Alpine 7 Kg lighter... Ogier had his Yaris 1 Kg lighter and no penalty whatsoever because he's Ogier? Is this confirmed?

[Integrale]

Speaking of safety, during the rally I had not one, but TWO unpleasant encounters with Michelle Mouton. The first was on Zonnebeke 1. A safety marshall told me it was okay for me to walk the stage for a couple hundred meters to reach a hairpin (the one just across the bridge over the highway). So, I did as he suggested and went on my way. Literally 30 seconds later Michelle pulls up in her FIA Safety Delegate car and scolds me for walking on the stage. I told her the truth: I would obey, but the safety marshall told me it was okay. She just said she'd told her marshalls not to let anyone on the stage anymore, and that if I did not obey immediately she'd cancel the stage. I left the stage, thinking this one marshall and friends clearly didn't get that memo.

The second was on Dikkebus 2. We were standing behind the tape, guarded by another safety marshall, when Michelle again pulled up and said we were standing in a dangerous spot. Even though people had been standing in that exact same spot during the first run of Dikkebus, and it was marked with tape. We all had to move and the marshall had to move the tape.

I think both of these incidents highlight a problem with communication among organisers (Belgian marshalls working for Rally Ypres vs the FIA).We had only one encounter with Michèle. No walking on the stage 30 minutes before the start. I'm always very compliant because it goes quicker that way. Once Michèle is gone, in your case over the bridge, it's back to plan A. There are 10-15 minutes left after she's gone. It's quite a silly job if you ask me. I hope you didn't actually leave the stage!

Marshalls and police were okay around us. Marshalls are volunteers and there's a lot of difference in their judgment and form of authority. Today on the parts of the real stages around Spa we could do whatever we wanted. Yesterday we had some Dutch marshalls who forbade people crossing the road to go to their car to get to the next stage. Police came to get the identities of those who did. Ridiculous. Marshalls and police tend to get crazy if there are many spectators, they feel challenged and/or something just happened (Katsuta's crash in this case). There were police officers from far away with no experience with rally. I translated something for an officer because she couldn't speak French (ridiculous as well), and after that they hung around and made some cellphone videos. :) Most marshalls were very okay.

So yeah, you win some, you lose some. But if the organisation tells you that you can stand anywhere on the stage at 10 metres (except the forbidden zones), then you're entitled to do that. Yes sir, yes ma'am, but after you're gone, I'm doing what I want. Of course I've seen spectators in very stupid spots as well.

[TypeR]

Jaanus Ree on FB about the situation:


Although there were many rumors about my gear taken by the police they were just rumors.
What really happened was that near me there were some spectators in the dangerous place and police got a call from the copter that they needed to clear up the whole area. They did not care that I was doing my job and I was acting by the given rules staying 10 meters away from the road and in a safe place behind one of the biggest trees I have ever seen. They "helped" me to take my gear to 20 meters away, sadly also forced me to take down remotes. Police were doing their job, fulfilling their orders. I respect their job and understand why they did everything. Thanks to their quick action, the stage was not cancelled. What is unfortunate is that they were not aware of what I was doing there and were confusing me with a spectator despite my tabard and media pass.

[Integrale]

https://youtu.be/tDsqZAD5LKc

Beautiful

[mknight]

From what I've gathered from this forum, Gino Bux got 30 minutes of penalty for having his Alpine 7 Kg lighter... Ogier had his Yaris 1 Kg lighter and no penalty whatsoever because he's Ogier? Is this confirmed?

The only source of Ogiers overweight that I saw was here. Might also be that Toyota requested check on another instrument and on that one it was within limits.
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Solberg stayed out of self-induced trouble (finally). But one good stage and staying out of trouble while being slower than 2 other WRC2 and multiple RC2 cars is certainly not enough to call him man of the rally.
RC2 man of the rally was Rossel, no doubt.

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On another note I was trying to find Breens moment on first Sunday stage. But there is no onboard and it's not shown on Sunday highlights.

[AnttiL]

On another note I was trying to find Breens moment on first Sunday stage. But there is no onboard and it's not shown on Sunday highlights.

Were his cameras broken? They were flickering on Saturday evening and I don't think we saw anything on All Live today?

[mknight]

Were his cameras broken? They were flickering on Saturday evening and I don't think we saw anything on All Live today?
True.. maybe they were so broken onboards didn't work either.

[mknight]

https://youtu.be/tDsqZAD5LKc

Beautiful

Places are nice...but the spectators right on the outsides of kicking 150+kph corners are surely immortal.

[AnttiL]

https://www.fia.com/news/wrc-t-neuville-was-important-both-championships

[Eli]

Ypres has an agreement with the promotor to be the next year and year after to be in the ERC championship and then eventually again on the WRC Calendar.

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Just like you said: https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/ypres-restored-to-erc-calendar-in-wrc-return-plan/

So not in the WRC until 2024 at the very least. Hopefully the world will be more of an open place without Covid, fingers crossed!

[MentalParadox]

We had only one encounter with Michèle. No walking on the stage 30 minutes before the start. I'm always very compliant because it goes quicker that way. Once Michèle is gone, in your case over the bridge, it's back to plan A. There are 10-15 minutes left after she's gone. It's quite a silly job if you ask me. I hope you didn't actually leave the stage!

Marshalls and police were okay around us. Marshalls are volunteers and there's a lot of difference in their judgment and form of authority. Today on the parts of the real stages around Spa we could do whatever we wanted. Yesterday we had some Dutch marshalls who forbade people crossing the road to go to their car to get to the next stage. Police came to get the identities of those who did. Ridiculous. Marshalls and police tend to get crazy if there are many spectators, they feel challenged and/or something just happened (Katsuta's crash in this case). There were police officers from far away with no experience with rally. I translated something for an officer because she couldn't speak French (ridiculous as well), and after that they hung around and made some cellphone videos. :) Most marshalls were very okay.

So yeah, you win some, you lose some. But if the organisation tells you that you can stand anywhere on the stage at 10 metres (except the forbidden zones), then you're entitled to do that. Yes sir, yes ma'am, but after you're gone, I'm doing what I want. Of course I've seen spectators in very stupid spots as well.

I left the stage, as she ordered, and positioned myself in a nearby field with plenty of other people. Seconds later after Michèle left, hordes of other spectators went back on the stage in the direction I wanted to go. Damn me for being so obedient...

"I translated something for an officer because she couldn't speak French (ridiculous as well)..."
Why ridiculous? Ypres is in Flander and people in Flanders speak Dutch. The only cops who need to speak French in that area are the French cops across the border in Westouter-Boeschepe. I saw that Katsuta crash happen on the horizon, by the way. We were about a K up the stage from that point. The ambulance drove by us and it got me pretty worried for Taka.

"Yesterday we had some Dutch marshalls who forbade people crossing the road to go to their car to get to the next stage. Police came to get the identities of those who did. Ridiculous."
I assume Flemish marshalls, because I don't see why there'd be Dutch cops in Belgium, the Netherlands being quite far away. Yeah, the field I was forced to stay in was separated from my car by the stage... Two cops showed up and started booking people who tried to cross the road. I needed to move on to the next stage (well, noon service in Ypres) so I had no choice but to wait until they were distracted, jump across and hide in a corn field until I was sure they stopped chasing... Quite the adventure, rallying...

[spiderem]

Am i the only one finding Oliver's end of stage boring and dull? He always says the things people want to hear, with no personality in my opinion... he has clearly been taught well for PR purposes.

[dupanton]

From me a few alternative comments about this rally.
I've participated as codriver. We where 38th overall after day 1 and 2nd in RC5 with our Clio Rally5. Unfortunately we retired saturday morning with a broken driveshaft. We restarted on Sunday to collect a few points in the clio trophy for our championship but finished last but one overall.

1) Katsuta crash: there is a bump in the road just before the fast left hander. It developped in the last year or so, wasn't there before. In a local rally 2 months ago, few drivers crashed there as well, although it was in the other direction

2) Fourmaux crash: there was dirt on the road in that corner. There was a field "exit" just at corner entry. There was nothing before the corner, just in the corner. I even read the farmer crossed the road to go to another field 100m further between the RNC and first car, but not sure that's true. For sure, it wasn't there during recce.

3) Stages being all the same isn't actually true. The surface in Reninge is completely different than other stages, Watou is very bumpy, Zonnebeke has very slippery tarmac, Dikkebus a lot of gravel. Maybe it's not so apparent when watching WRC live, but driving the stages, you feel the different nature of stages.

4) Tsjoen crash: quite a bit of controverse in local news, about hitting that garage (not their house fortunately). But there was also a public chat between the owner and Pieter Tsjoen. Basically she says "shit happens" and thanks the police, organizers etc for the help she got. And she is glad nobody got seriously hurt. Pieter Tsjoen replied with an apology, praizes her understanding and says he will pay if there are any problems with insurance (which shouldn't be the case).
Very nice to see it can also be solved like that. There are no winners in such a crash.

5) Bedoret was just heartbroken. He broke the central driveshaft on the first day on sunday, having to continue with FWD. He and his codriver where litteraly crying in parc fermé. I had to do with them, motorsport can be so hard.

[Rallyper]

From what I've gathered from this forum, Gino Bux got 30 minutes of penalty for having his Alpine 7 Kg lighter... Ogier had his Yaris 1 Kg lighter and no penalty whatsoever because he's Ogier? Is this confirmed?

Remember MSport having thinner rearwindow on their Focus? Not even penalty. Excluded. Remember?

[AnttiL]

Thanks dupanton for the excellent report and congrats on completing the event (albeit in Super Rally)

3) Stages being all the same isn't actually true. The surface in Reninge is completely different than other stages, Watou is very bumpy, Zonnebeke has very slippery tarmac, Dikkebus a lot of gravel. Maybe it's not so apparent when watching WRC live, but driving the stages, you feel the different nature of stages. .

Watou bumpiness was clearly apparent from an old onboard video. Also we could add into this list the cobble stones on Kemmelberg (and the beginning of Mesen - Middelhoek). Zonnebeke is mostly a bit wider, and also some wide sections in Kemmelberg. Reninge is very flat, Westouer and Kemmelberg have some more hills.

I would say it's difficult to characterize the stages because they all mix so different roads and sections, and so many of them. You can only try to say which element the stage has more than some other element, or which element is not present on other stages. In most rallies you can usually say this stage is fast and this is technical, or this is 10 km fast and then 5 km technical, but not in Ypres, it changes at least every kilometre...

[AnttiL]

https://www.fia.com/news/wrc-t-neuville-was-important-both-championships

Huttunen's sparse comments were interesting...Hyundai has a lot of work to do with the car.


Q
Jari, looking back to this week, how do you feel about this rally and your WRC2 win here?
JH
Not in every stage but in most stages I had some problems. I am so lucky that I am here.

Q
Your teammate experienced similar issues yesterday, were you able to affect any fixes or was it a case of muscling your way through?
JH
It is difficult to drive but the fault is not so big. It is a small fault. When you don’t have any oil in the system, it is hard to drive.

But there's also improvements.


Q
Jari, how do you compare the new Hyundai Rally2 to the old Hyundai R5?
JH
I think it is a big step with everything working well. Particularly with the handling side. Now we are in the window. I think the gap is big.

[Rallyper]

I think we can rate Oliver's performance only through Friday. He made the fastest RC2 time on SS7 and didn't set a foot wrong, which is decent, but not enough for being one of the best drivers of the rally. By SS6 he was fifth in RC2, 25 seconds behind Suninen.

Meanwhile, Rossel did an amazing job in RC2, winning the class on his first start in the event.

You can rate people by other than speed (which we know Oliver has oc).

Man of the rally can be any strong performance or doing.

Oliver drove 85K without power steering. That´s what I valued most...

[EstWRC]

so the two champs, Ogier and Tänak, were the only ones who had puncture?

[AnttiL]

so the two champs, Ogier and Tänak, were the only ones who had puncture?

And Ogier had two.

[EstWRC]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOkXOLcnc5o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttTex5fN7v8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiwasoodWlw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVeRQvdaNgw

[EstWRC]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E84ti6MUUAcD2uO?format=jpg&name=large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E84bWZ7VUAAFn1b?format=jpg&name=large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E82BRSdWYAQh0Un?format=jpg&name=large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E81M29oXEAEG4Sv?format=jpg&name=large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E81JenHWQAEQEsz?format=jpg&name=large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E81AfKvXoAM577-?format=jpg&name=large

[Integrale]

And Ogier had two.Loubet before his off.

[krissucool]

And Ogier had two.

And of course he lost like what - 15 seconds to 2 punctures? Only Ogier...man.

[Fredouye]

Remember MSport having thinner rearwindow on their Focus? Not even penalty. Excluded. Remember?

Was it only a rumor, or has there been an official statement ?

[Integrale]

Was it only a rumor, or has there been an official statement ?I think this was the source. According to a contributor to Rallylovers, Ogiers car had to be weighed three times. They would give an update but I haven't seen anything.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=369062251251497&id=100044431746415

[EstWRC]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHIVEkIKObg

[MartijnS]

Some of my photos!
We just went Thursday, Friday and Saturday.

https://scontent-amt2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/233856884_487854582306300_3280048834967904854_n.jp g?_nc_cat=102&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=0debeb&_nc_ohc=Kwm8fQOAXnwAX_U3jZU&tn=MeCp-gw9qc9Bypjx&_nc_ht=scontent-amt2-1.xx&oh=0e60d92fe0307a9bdbf7f8417f1f22ed&oe=6140FC10
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More at: https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?vanity=rallymedia&set=a.487857062306052 !

[MartijnS]

Katsuta crash: https://www.rallye-magazin.de/int/videos/2021/special/crash-takamoto-katsuta-ypres-rally/?

A LOT of lucky people there.

[EstWRC]

including the filming guy itself!

[mknight]

Katsuta crash: https://www.rallye-magazin.de/int/videos/2021/special/crash-takamoto-katsuta-ypres-rally/?

A LOT of lucky people there.

No kidding!!!

Could have been 10ish fatalities.

Combined with all the other videos of people standing on the outside of flat out corners it just confirms some of the vids from last years.

Don't see the rally back to WRC anytime soon...

[kiil]

Simply stupid. It's beyond my understanding why you would put yourself and the entire sport at risk just to be 10 meters closer to the stage. It is like poland all over again, some countries just don't get it.

[SubaruNorway]

I think if it runs again they need to run it after the crops have been harvested, makes it much easier finding a safe and good spot even a bit away from the road

[mknight]

I think if it runs again they need to run it after the crops have been harvested, makes it much easier finding a safe and good spot even a bit away from the road

While that might indeed reduce the number of immortal people I don't have much hope of eliminating it completely.

2-3 years ago I was commenting on this when watching Ypres with R5s without big crops. Dupanton said that it's always like that on Ypres for some reason (while other Belgian rallies are better).




Imagine if there were say 5 fatalities...

Toyota with their mentality (and money) and no R5 program, might just withdraw from WRC completely (while still paying salaries to the whole team for 2-3 years).

"Modern group B" would end (almost) just like old Group B.

[rp]

Very, very lucky indeed! There has been good luck also earlier during the current World Rally Car era. It is hard to say, but these cars are just simply too fast! There are only current top 5 drivers who have enough skills to master them. Now it was Katsuta´s and Fourmaux´s turn to make a bad mistakes...

True! Almost sure that if there had been fatalities Toyota would have ended their WRC program immediately...

[dimviii]

Andrea Ettori
@AndreaEttori
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Top Speed in discesa verso Eau RougeRoller coaster

Hyundai 187 km/h
Toyota 192 km/h
Ford 196 km/h

go figure...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E873qVQWQAIb54W?format=jpg&name=small

[Danny0405]

Good result for Neuville who ties with Evans but still keeps his 3rd position so he will still have an average road position in Greece (I don’t know if it was the plan but good pick from Hyundai to have let Neuville 3rd in Estonia).
It could get closer from Ogier thanks to better road position in Greece and Finland.

[focus206]

Good result for Neuville who ties with Evans but still keeps his 3rd position so he will still have an average road position in Greece (I don’t know if it was the plan but good pick from Hyundai to have let Neuville 3rd in Estonia).
It could get closer from Ogier thanks to better road position in Greece and Finland.

Evans and Neuville are too far in any case. Ogier could just "cruise" for the last 4 rounds, he wouldn't get worse than 5th and a podium is always a good possibility.
Only a DNF/Superrally by Ogier would re-open the championship, but even then, he would still have a good advantage.

[denkimi]

Simply stupid. It's beyond my understanding why you would put yourself and the entire sport at risk just to be 10 meters closer to the stage. It is like poland all over again, some countries just don't get it.
At those speeds you can stand 100m from te stage and still be in danger.

But there are indeed a lot of very stupid people in this world, looking at some videos.

[ziggysony]

Video WRC Ypres Rally 2021
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0aTBPzEnTk&t=1s

[EstWRC]

Flaaatttt ouuuuttt https://youtu.be/Nh8JEP0xZwU

[Rallyper]

Very, very lucky indeed! There has been good luck also earlier during the current World Rally Car era. It is hard to say, but these cars are just simply too fast! There are only current top 5 drivers who have enough skills to master them. Now it was Katsuta´s and Fourmaux´s turn to make a bad mistakes...

True! Almost sure that if there had been fatalities Toyota would have ended their WRC program immediately...

Agree. Also combination faster cars and tarmac rallies with tricky conditions, like Ypres. Just luck from many fatalities when Katsuta crashed.

Gravel and snow is way safer in general, not to count the idiots always in wrong places...

[AnttiL]

On tarmac you have full grip and when you lose the control you have zero grip. The car often even starts flying in the air, which means the speed is reduced less compared to sliding on gravel. This is apparent even from tarmac crashes with small FWD cars, let alone WRC monsters. Meanwhile on gravel you are usually already rotating/sliding the car when entering a corner, so it results in a roll which drains the movement energy and the car cannot change direction so quickly. Especially these fast tarmac rallies with bumpy surface are scary, both for the drivers and spectators. It's not so scary when the roads are slower (Corsica) or smoother (Catalunya).

[EstWRC]

Breen moment https://www.instagram.com/p/CSq_-1DqucW/?utm_medium=copy_link

[Fast Eddie WRC]

For me the current WRC cars changed the character of the Ypres Rally somewhat. They seemed too fast with the extra power and aero compared to previous cars I've ever watched on the event. They looked just brutal and like they were bludgeoning the roads into submission.

[JAM]

For me the current WRC cars changed the character of the Ypres Rally somewhat. They seemed too fast with the extra power and aero compared to previous cars I've ever watched on the event. They looked just brutal and like they were bludgeoning the roads into submission.

Completely agree.

And that's why i think the discussion about spectators is useless. I think there is no safe place for spectators in Ypres. A car coming off road at 160/170km/h can go 100 or 200 mts inside the files is there is no phisical obstacle.

[mknight]

Breen moment https://www.instagram.com/p/CSq_-1DqucW/?utm_medium=copy_link

Quite lucky there was no tree-stump or rock there! (to break radiator). He could have even rolled down.

It also happened just 2 corners before Ogiers puncture...and right infront of the WRC camera, yet we didn't get to see it.

[Mirek]

Completely agree.

And that's why i think the discussion about spectators is useless. I think there is no safe place for spectators in Ypres. A car coming off road at 160/170km/h can go 100 or 200 mts inside the files is there is no phisical obstacle.

During Barum 2012 there was a fatal accident where a spectator was hit by a car rolling 140 meters. It was "stupid" gr.N Impreza...

[Mirek]

go figure...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E873qVQWQAIb54W?format=jpg&name=small

The photo does not correspond with the all live footage (which corresponded with the tweet you posted earlier). Either the speedgun was wrongly calibrated or the wrc plus footage was wrongly calibrated (don't know what is the source of the data there but it's not GPS for sure).

[tommeke_B]

Had an amazing event. First time (and probably last time) seeing these extreme cars on my home event, packed with action. Great shakedowns and good action on all 3 competition days. The WRC cars were stunning to see. I've seen these cars plenty of times, also in Croatia earlier this year. But seeing them on roads I know so well helped me to put in perspective how crazy they are. I think both crashes of Fourmaux and especially Katsuta could be some kind of warning, that these cars are probably beyond the limit for tarmac. The line between being in a position where you can see some action, and being in danger, is thinner than ever before. Fortunately there seemed to be less spectators than usual in Ypres. Rally2-category was a bit boring to see after the WRC cars, probably due to the big difference in the cars themselves, and perhaps a bit due to slightly weaker entry field (with all respect to those who participated). Nearly all foreign RC2-drivers were discovering the event, so there's not much more they could do. Also, sadly my prediction of at least 3 of the 5 WRC2-drivers going off became reality. The junior category was, very entertaining to see, despite a solid win from Armstrong who seemed to be more confident than anyone else.

A few photos:

https://scontent.fbru4-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/221187428_6399627620049070_3923666041228030625_n.j pg?_nc_cat=104&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=0debeb&_nc_ohc=Cox2xTt3nUIAX8p2lE1&_nc_ht=scontent.fbru4-1.fna&oh=e5e0750e0d4e19410240f1c0f4608d91&oe=61418898

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https://scontent.fbru4-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/236816888_6399627570049075_6848888219592787477_n.j pg?_nc_cat=103&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=0debeb&_nc_ohc=cOPxSX2YWRQAX_5mVOd&tn=sUM-XXV5G8jFbHYQ&_nc_ht=scontent.fbru4-1.fna&oh=b21023c0be77e797eefa2232f19de509&oe=61408920

https://scontent.fbru4-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/238482182_6399627963382369_6281660153236626220_n.j pg?_nc_cat=111&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=0debeb&_nc_ohc=auub6ejiiFsAX9YIaPL&_nc_ht=scontent.fbru4-1.fna&oh=4d45e12f174541b6bfebf9021155fed3&oe=6142F1F6

https://scontent.fbru4-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/238821950_6399628763382289_5546425762011665726_n.j pg?_nc_cat=106&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=0debeb&_nc_ohc=13s0Ihdx358AX8d7cSW&tn=sUM-XXV5G8jFbHYQ&_nc_ht=scontent.fbru4-1.fna&oh=3a3ec9a627b655979baf802785d7a671&oe=61439869

A few more: https://www.facebook.com/media/set?vanity=rallyimage&set=a.6399647850047047

[dimviii]

The photo does not correspond with the all live footage (which corresponded with the tweet you posted earlier). Either the speedgun was wrongly calibrated or the wrc plus footage was wrongly calibrated (don't know what is the source of the data there but it's not GPS for sure).



Thats why I posted the photo
We have yo take with a pint of salt these info about top speeds


@Tom amazing photos mate!

[dimviii]

guys watch the flying wheel how close to camera man was

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E8-JGhXVoAEzEYK?format=jpg&name=large

[MartijnS]

You see there is a full car in front of the wheel haha? ;) Just kidding.

[BigWorm]

The photo does not correspond with the all live footage (which corresponded with the tweet you posted earlier). Either the speedgun was wrongly calibrated or the wrc plus footage was wrongly calibrated (don't know what is the source of the data there but it's not GPS for sure).

Onboard (WRC+) of Hyundais on Franchorchamps 2 is not corresponding with that photo or all live either!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Official speed guns like used by the police have to be calibrated very regularly to be truly accurate.

[denkimi]

Official speed guns like used by the police have to be calibrated very regularly to be truly accurate.
And even the speed guns of the police have a rather big margin of error.

Only gps speeds should really be trusted.

[dupanton]

Martijn Wydaeghe said in a podcast after the rally, that the topspeeds on WRC+ are not reliable. He says that in reality, they go near the 200km/h.

[Mirek]

And even the speed guns of the police have a rather big margin of error.

Only gps speeds should really be trusted.

Police radars are usually under +/- 3 km/h (at least here). That's not a big margin of error and it's not worse than GPS.

GPS speed is not accurate. GPS has large latency, limited position accuracy and very bad accuracy in vertical (i.e. when the road leads uphill or downhill it can not correctly count the real distance you drove during the signal period). It's accurate basically only when the speed is high and constant over a certain period of time. For dynamic driving where you accelerate and brake and nothing in between it is useless. It is also useless when you drive really slow. Basically the faster you move the lower GPS error (because it comes from the position accuracy which is usually around +/- 6 meters). When you walk GPS gives total bullshit speed numbers which is normal. With rising speed that bullshit gets more reasonable.

The most accurate measurement of speed is via optical or radar sensors mounted on the car itself (those tubes pointed on the ground you see during testing). The stationary radars are second best, if well calibrated (there are more precise ones than those used by police as well).

[doubled1978]

Martijn Wydaeghe said in a podcast after the rally, that the topspeeds on WRC+ are not reliable. He says that in reality, they go near the 200km/h.

I’ve always suspected that was the case, 185/190kph just seemed a bit slow for what I was watching.
Didn’t someone use a gun on Monte in 2017 and record something like 212kph? I’m sure as has been explained there is some error in that, but I doubt it’s 20/25kph error

I wonder if the displayed speeds on WRC+ are deliberately low so as not to advertise just how fast they really are going? I would imagine the new cars should have more top speed with more power and less aero drag…

[AnttiL]

I've understood the 2.0L WRC cars constantly did over 200 km/h speeds but since the 1.6L cars the gear ratios have been shorter, leaving top speeds lower.

I don't know why WRC+ would like about the top speeds. If something, they would probably make the top speeds appear faster than they actually are!

[denkimi]

Police radars are usually under +/- 3 km/h (at least here). That's not a big margin of error and it's not worse than GPS.

GPS speed is not accurate. GPS has large latency, limited position accuracy and very bad accuracy in vertical (i.e. when the road leads uphill or downhill it can not correctly count the real distance you drove during the signal period). It's accurate basically only when the speed is high and constant over a certain period of time. For dynamic driving where you accelerate and brake and nothing in between it is useless. It is also useless when you drive really slow. Basically the faster you move the lower GPS error (because it comes from the position accuracy which is usually around +/- 6 meters). When you walk GPS gives total bullshit speed numbers which is normal. With rising speed that bullshit gets more reasonable.

The most accurate measurement of speed is via optical or radar sensors mounted on the car itself (those tubes pointed on the ground you see during testing). The stationary radars are second best, if well calibrated (there are more precise ones than those used by police as well).
I know about the problems with gps, but when we are talking about max speeds that means at the limiter on a long straight for some time. In those conditions gps is nearly perfect.

The problem with radar is that it has to calibrated at the exact spot in the exact conditions to work perfect. Only fixed radars wil be surely within those 3km/h. Manually placed tripods and especially handheld devices like in the video have even smaller accuracy, even when calibrated often.

[Gio]

My pictures: https://rallyandraces.smugmug.com/Rally/Ieper-1/

[pantealex]

My pictures: https://rallyandraces.smugmug.com/Rally/Ieper-1/

Very good gallery because it has pictures of "different cars" also, not only those same WRC and top WRC2/3 entries.

[Eli]

My pictures: https://rallyandraces.smugmug.com/Rally/Ieper-1/

Fantastic photos, makes me realize how much I'm gonna miss seeing these machines, especially the i20 WRC Coupe, the best looking from the bunch (imho) in this short era. Thanks for sharing them with us.

[KertR]

Another Rally, where Tänak showed, that he cant be competitive behind the wheel of Hyundai. Strange, that first stage there seemed to be a hope of good speed, but after he just diffused away, like every rally, he just looses his speed or there will be a technical failure. Think it is a karma he left Toyota. Hyundai, just isnt a car for personal titel.

Hope, 2021 Hyundai will more like to Tänak, because we know, Tänak is a very good developer

[flat_right]

In my opinion it wasn't too bad. After day 1, he was the best of the rest behind Neuville and Breen, who both had previous experience from this rally. Apart from Breen, everybody else lost over 30s to Neuville after day 1 and Tänak was "leading" the pack. Also he won PS so speed was there just not the experience. It was a very specific rally where previous knowledge seemed to play an important role.

[EstWRC]

the guy hasnt followed this season at all it seems to me based on that post....

[denkimi]

Tanak was just very unlucky with his flat tyre and his jack malfunctioning. He had nothing left to fight for after that

He was the fastest driver on sunday, when nobody had any experience.