[WRC] Rally Italia Sardegna 2021

[mknight]

Neuville got 20 points over Evans 18 due to the watersplash. Some luck.

[dupanton]

What happened to Ingram on SS19?

Retired with mechanical issue according to ewrc

[Fast Eddie WRC]

What happened to Ingram on SS19?

Had to stop to fix a water leak but got a notional time due to an accident in the stage.

But the repair was not possible and he is out. :(

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[mknight]

And the massive rain comes right after PS.

[mknight]

Btw. Sordo got manu points for 4th overall, 21 mins behind..

[meh]

Neuville got 20 points over Evans 18 due to the watersplash. Some luck.

A bit oil to this fire here - if Neuville and/or Tänak could get troubles from watersplash, you could call it driver bad decision or mistake, instead of bad luck? :)

[Mirek]

A bit oil to this fire here - if Neuville and/or Tänak could get troubles from watersplash, you could call it driver bad decision or mistake, instead of bad luck? :)

No. That's about car design.

[TypeR]

A bit oil to this fire here - if Neuville and/or Tänak could get troubles from watersplash, you could call it driver bad decision or mistake, instead of bad luck? :)
Obviously... pushing too hard :D

[Fly_Half]

Porter speculating makes me want to punch my monitor

Amen. His incessant speculation about absolutely everything drives me up the wall.

[AnttiL]

A bit oil to this fire here - if Neuville and/or Tänak could get troubles from watersplash, you could call it driver bad decision or mistake, instead of bad luck? :)

If it happens continuously in watersplashes...

[EstWRC]

A bit oil to this fire here - if Neuville and/or Tänak could get troubles from watersplash, you could call it driver bad decision or mistake, instead of bad luck? :)

it definitely wouldnt have been as quiet here

[mknight]

A bit oil to this fire here - if Neuville and/or Tänak could get troubles from watersplash, you could call it driver bad decision or mistake, instead of bad luck? :)

That's easy:
Neuville -driver mistake
Tanak - weak car
Sordo - bad luck

At Toyota it's:
Evans -bad luck
Ogier - stupid organisers/bad car
Rovanpera - driver mistake

Summing up the general pre-assumptions about each driver.;)

[dupanton]

Ostberg got a €1000 fine for the swear words at stage end + 25 points penalty with suspension.

[denkimi]

A bit oil to this fire here - if Neuville and/or Tänak could get troubles from watersplash, you could call it driver bad decision or mistake, instead of bad luck? :)
That's a codrivers error.

https://youtu.be/AVYSaDoJaqE

[mknight]

Ostberg got a €1000 fine for the swear words at stage end + 25 points penalty with suspension.

That's reasonable. 1000 euro is nothing while 25 points is huge. So a heads up not to do it. Was by far not the first time and was not just one word that slipped.

[TypeR]

25 point suspension? Fkn h3ll..
will start to hear less stage end comments if such things start to happen...

better to drive with open strapped helmet or causing accidents on roads..

[mousti]

Had to stop to fix a water leak but got a notional time due to an accident in the stage.

But the repair was not possible and he is out. :(

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E3MbAuFX0AIiG3N?format=jpg&name=smallAccording to the teammanager the engine is broken..

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[Japé]

25 point suspension? Fkn h3ll..
will start to hear less stage end comments if such things start to happen...

better to drive with open strapped helmet or causing accidents on roads..

Year by year WRC is becoming more of a joke! If one can't be allowed to express true emotions without getting penalized, what is the whole point of having incar cameras facing to drivers, or having incar driver sounds or stage end interviews, etc. On stage ends WRC+ could just as well then start to play different PR and advertising scripts send by manufacturers PR departments. To my opinion they should give +25 points to Mads for being human, not a stupid PR robot.

[mknight]

5 swear words in one interview in English and before that about as many in Norwegian without turning audio off.

[TypeR]

Pirelli in F1.. two max speed punctures and heavy crashes for Stroll and now Verstappen.

[erikli2]

Sounds like FIA just wants the normal boring stage end answers.

"I had a clean stage"
"It felt alright"

[krissucool]

5 swear words in one interview in English and before that about as many in Norwegian without turning audio off.

Were you hurt by these words? Are you offended?

FFS, pure emotion. Thats why we watch sport. Dont have to be such a pussy.

[mknight]

Just checked Gronholm famous speeches. Highest number of swear words was 2. More importantly, none of that was live.

Now with alllive you have regulators restricting what could be said. If it goes on the TV , the channels get hefty fines. So either they add more delay to allive, or they just stop showing it om TV. Less spectators, less manus ....

For what? It's entirely possible to express emotions without swearing all the time. See Gronholm for reference.

[dupanton]

Well, it would have been owkay if he would just have used 1 or swear words. But that were complete sentences of swear words.
I'm not suprised tbh, although for me personally I don't care.

[BigWorm]

Just checked Gronholm famous speeches. Highest number of swear words was 2. More importantly, none of that was live.

Now with alllive you have regulators restricting what could be said. If it goes on the TV , the channels get hefty fines. So either they add more delay to allive, or they just stop showing it om TV. Less spectators, less manus ....

For what? It's entirely possible to express emotions without swearing all the time. See Gronholm for reference.

Mads knew exactly what he was doing there. Is that the behaviour of a 33-year old? Incredible.

Ok emotions run high as shown when he crossed the finish line. To get a fine for swearing is quite stupid imho and won't change much but c'mon, Mads, as an adult, should know that he doesn't need to use excessive swearing there. Way over the top.

[mknight]

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/is-ostbergs-penalty-fair-our-verdict/

The most interesting part is that Dirtfish staff doesn't know WRC and Rally2 use different tires.

Btw. I read somewhere that Citroen uses own rim design which is slightly different. On the other hand Huttunen said he damaged 3 rims yesterday without puncture.

Also how many WRC cars had a puncture this weekend? Don't remember any.

[Myrvold]

Mads knew exactly what he was doing there. Is that the behaviour of a 33-year old? Incredible.

Ok emotions run high as shown when he crossed the finish line. To get a fine for swearing is quite stupid imho and won't change much but c'mon, Mads, as an adult, should know that he doesn't need to use excessive swearing there.

Then again, non-native English speakers, very clearly pissed off. You won't get an articulated answer with loads of synonyms and so on. You will get much of the same words that comes to mind, and to be honest. I would've said "fck" and "shit" a lot as well.

But in all honesty, this is a great way to make the drivers answer less questions, and with a lot less words.

[BigWorm]

Then again, non-native English speakers, very clearly pissed off. You won't get an articulated answer with loads of synonyms and so on. You will get much of the same words that comes to mind, and to be honest. I would've said "fck" and "shit" a lot as well.

But in all honesty, this is a great way to make the drivers answer less questions, and with a lot less words.

Doesn't have to be. Doesn't have to be full with curse words just for the sake of it either. This was all a bit over the top for me. Anyway, Mads will continue wearing his heart on his sleeve, which is good.

[satnav]

There could be some "No Comment" interviews now

Also on the subject of questions there needs to be some more thought into the questions that are being asked, sometimes the questions aren't questions at all they are just a thought being said aloud for a reaction.

[dimviii]

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[Eli]

There could be some "No Comment" interviews now

Also on the subject of questions there needs to be some more thought into the questions that are being asked, sometimes the questions aren't questions at all they are just a thought being said aloud for a reaction.

Thank you very much, it relates directly to what I wrote yesterday after Adamo's interview.

As for Ostberg I completely understand his frustrations and I'm guessing Pirelli didn't like his comments and were probably offended, after all they didn't respond when Autosport tried to contact them regarding this.

[Fredouye]

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[skarderud]

Thank you very much, it relates directly to what I wrote yesterday after Adamo's interview.

As for Ostberg I completely understand his frustrations and I'm guessing Pirelli didn't like his comments and were probably offended, after all they didn't respond when Autosport tried to contact them regarding this.Is italan pirellipeople new to rally? Anyone that have been around rallies know that this is quite common when things don't work. Like shitröen.
Some smallheaded people there.

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[Fredouye]

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[Fredouye]

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[dimviii]

Is italan pirellipeople new to rally? Anyone that have been around rallies know that this is quite common when things don't work. Like shitröen.
Some smallheaded people there.

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so you dont have a problem with what Ostberg said.
Wish they had withdrawn him completely.The guy doesnt belong at wrc.
There are champions that have lost championships because of tyres,engines breakdowns etc at last 500 meters,and didnt spoke like that.
Totally unexpectable speech.

[Eli]

Is italan pirellipeople new to rally? Anyone that have been around rallies know that this is quite common when things don't work. Like shitröen.
Some smallheaded people there.

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I'm aware these things happen, I was just speculating, I didn't say I know Pirelli didn't like the comments, just said: 'I'm guessing'. As I said before, I completely understand Østberg's frustrations about both the tires and the car, that's it.

[drive]

video of Østberg 'taking a leak' https://youtu.be/n5DhHfyxYfA
and comment: 'Ostberg should pee on Pirelli tyres, not some innocent stones :)'

[skarderud]

so you dont have a problem with what Ostberg said.
Wish they had withdrawn him completely.The guy doesnt belong at wrc.
There are champions that have lost championships because of tyres,engines breakdowns etc at last 500 meters,and didnt spoke like that.
Totally unexpectable speech.No, no problem with that.

I'll tell you that it was no microphones when sainz throw his helmet thru the window... That was probably worse to.

I understand him, personally i wouldnt say faen and fu.k more than a couple of times, then use some other words in addition:)

He had a fighting weekend with several punctures , several technical problems.
At friday the protectionplate under the back axel get lost, maybe because bad teameffort(?) and the brakepipe was off.
He had trouble with a wishbone and some other stuff at the back on saturday, probably after friday. At saturday he collected all the parts they had left and make it work, i can understand some frustration come to speak when you have saved the game several times and are tired.
It is sports. This happens.

In Norway and sweden we use a lot of this words as a spice in our language, maybe thats the reason we don't react?

My german worker use just ßeiße and then change to scandinavian words, so we have translated some of them to german:)


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[Franky]

Regarding uncensored speech.

You can't have a lot of access without the downsides and another thing is that nearly everything is politically correct by now. Saying that a 30 or a 40-year-old can't lose control of their emotions and just vent everything out at the spot, is naive. Only way you can avoid seeing it is not having a camera with a microphone right in their face. But when you want to see more, you need to accept the possible downsides. People are different, reactions are different.

If you want a sport to be popular, you need characters and emotions. If you only have sterilised politically correct interviews, you won't be happy either. You need variety and threatening with penalties for non politically correct speech might as well produce even more closed doors at the stage end.

In all honesty, I liked their reaction and believe it can easily be used in a compilation promoting the sport. If they have issues with the broadcast legislation, then they know the solution. Delay. Or don't broadcast.

[bomber21]

Regarding uncensored speech.

If you want a sport to be popular, you need characters and emotions. If you only have sterilised politically correct interviews, you won't be happy either. You need variety and threatening with penalties for non politically correct speech might as well produce even more closed doors at the stage end.

In all honesty, I liked their reaction and believe it can easily be used in a compilation promoting the sport..
This is very true. Emotions and drama attracts fans.


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Nice pictures! It seems you enjoyed the rally!

[meh]

https://twitter.com/GustavKruuda/status/1401548589676077059 - if you want to pay Mads "being yourself" fee.

[mknight]

Is italan pirellipeople new to rally? Anyone that have been around rallies know that this is quite common when things don't work. Like shitröen.
Some smallheaded people there.

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When Gronholm said he is "fed up with this car", he got called to bosses in France to apologize.


Regarding uncensored speech.

You can't have a lot of access without the downsides and another thing is that nearly everything is politically correct by now. Saying that a 30 or a 40-year-old can't lose control of their emotions and just vent everything out at the spot, is naive. Only way you can avoid seeing it is not having a camera with a microphone right in their face. But when you want to see more, you need to accept the possible downsides. People are different, reactions are different.

If you want a sport to be popular, you need characters and emotions. If you only have sterilised politically correct interviews, you won't be happy either. You need variety and threatening with penalties for non politically correct speech might as well produce even more closed doors at the stage end.

In all honesty, I liked their reaction and believe it can easily be used in a compilation promoting the sport. If they have issues with the broadcast legislation, then they know the solution. Delay. Or don't broadcast.

1. Just look back 15 even 30 years and look at the "angry" interviews at stage ends. Marcus saying one bad word is the worst you could get. These were directly at stopline as well.
Saying it's policial correctness when drivers talk much worse than before is simply not correct.

2. Great idea. Stop selling WRC to TV, reduce promotion, reduce viewers , reduce manu interest... then cry about not enough manus.


FFS he got 1000 euro fine... that's it!!!! After swearing trough whole interview, even directly at the tires. Not a single random slip.

This discussion is starting to go to similar levels like the post Tanak at Monte one. " Let's change everything cause one guy made a mistake...'

[Franky]

First of all, people are different. I'm not you and you are not me, both of us might blow the fuse at a completely different moment resulting in a unique result that is common to ourselves. And Peugeot did have issues with Grönholm's stage end comments.

Secondly. Would you like to place a swear jar in the rally cars and for every swear or offensive word the counter would go 'ching-ching' and at the end of the rally invoices are printed out and forwarded to the crews?

Also, please add 2 Euros to the swear jar for using 'FFS'.

Obscene language isn't something that should be encouraged but how often do you hear a driver swear during an interview? Over reacting is exactly the same thing you've done. If people don't want to hear or see obscene language used, then delay or not broadcasting are literally the two only options to artificially weed the issue out some people have. We can always do it like in circuit racing. Interviews only in the service park and drivers have plenty of time to calm down and compose themselves to behave like good boys who never make a wrong step.

[TypeR]

F1 is also under FIA and every other race weekend somebody bursts in the radio ,,what a fk id**ot'' when someone makes a stupid/dangerous move..
Haven't got any penalties for that..

And why bring up Gronholm ten times.. He said it about his employer and salary payer, ofc he had to explain later..

Now giving a penalty and a suspension brings it up 100 times more (in media) + is spread more than would have without the decision.

[Jarek Z]

2. Great idea. Stop selling WRC to TV, reduce promotion, reduce viewers , reduce manu interest... then cry about not enough manus.

I'm not sure if I understand you correctly. Are you trying to suggest that showing real emotions of sportsmen is going to reduce the number of viewers?! How did you come to this conclusion?

[mknight]

Obscene language isn't something that should be encouraged but how often do you hear a driver swear during an interview? Over reacting is exactly the same thing you've done. If people don't want to hear or see obscene language used, then delay or not broadcasting are literally the two only options to artificially weed the issue out some people have. We can always do it like in circuit racing. Interviews only in the service park and drivers have plenty of time to calm down and compose themselves to behave like good boys who never make a wrong step.

That's the point you never hear more than a word or two, out of the past 20 years I can't remember any interview which was like this.

So when it's one that stands out you draw the line. Cause it's just the one driver that once crossed it.

Got a tiny money penalty (you get more for 20 km/h over the speed limit in Norway). And a reminder not to do it again. But hey let's start with end of the world drama like for Tanak....


I'm not sure if I understand you correctly. Are you trying to suggest that showing real emotions of sportsmen is going to reduce the number of viewers?! How did you come to this conclusion?
Gronholm, M. Martin, P. Solberg, McRae or Meeke had no real emotions? Yet they managed that without anything like this.

Getting kicked from TV broadcasts reduces viewers, no matter the reason.

Also somehow most people watch rally to see cars go fast, not because they love stage end interviews.

[denkimi]

But in all honesty, this is a great way to make the drivers answer less questions, and with a lot less words.
This.

If it was me i wouldn't ever open the door from now on. Fuck them. It they want to make what drivers say interfere with championships that should be decidede by driving it's not worth ever saying anything again.

If it was just a fine i would understand, but never something that could decide a championship. But this is just mad.

[henzo]

That punishment was way too harsh, 25 points deducted for just expressing your raw emotion...
Thats so not good for the sport, either is swearing on public tv, but chances were 50/50 that there was a power outage in sardegna anyways and the picture was down lol :D

[mknight]

If it was me i wouldn't ever open the door from now on. Fuck them. It they want to make what drivers say interfere with championships that should be decidede by driving it's not worth ever saying anything again.

If it was just a fine i would understand, but never something that could decide a championship. But this is just mad.

It's part of the job. Just like going to press conferences (you get penalties for not showing up there too, last was some 3? years ago). Same is true for example for football players.
If you don't like it don't do that job.


That punishment was way too harsh, 25 points deducted for just expressing your raw emotion...


Except he didn't loose any points...

[henzo]

on Tänak - he may have shown some of the hyundais weaknesses on the last two rallys, or may have had bad luck. BUT, he has managed something that either Loeb, or Neuville didnt manage, make the car fast and driveable, if not for everyone, atleast for himself.
And in a interview for estonian tv he said that portugal and sardegna were too close together and they didnt have enough time to change anything big in the rear - that implies to me that there is a weakness in the back of the hyundai and they know what to do to fix it. He also said it should be better by kenia.

[er88]

on Tänak - he may have shown some of the hyundais weaknesses on the last two rallys, or may have had bad luck. BUT, he has managed something that either Loeb, or Neuville didnt manage, make the car fast and driveable, if not for everyone, atleast for himself.
And in a interview for estonian tv he said that portugal and sardegna were too close together and they didnt have enough time to change anything big in the rear - that implies to me that there is a weakness in the back of the hyundai and they know what to do to fix it. He also said it should be better by kenia.I disagree. Neuville has shown plenty of brilliant speed in that car over the years. His issue is silly mistakes/ coping with the pressure at the business end of the season.

The major question is about how fast and driveable Ott can make the car on tarmac. So far only Neuville has been able to properly find a way

[Jarek Z]

Getting kicked from TV broadcasts reduces viewers, no matter the reason.

Also somehow most people watch rally to see cars go fast, not because they love stage end interviews.

Thank you for your explanation. I see what you mean, but I have a different opinion. I think that we shouldn't castrate motorsport in such way and make it even more boring than it is now. Have a look at some other sports disciplines:

Have John McEnroe's constant rants at referees reduced the number of tennis viewers? People still watch them, even 30 years later.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hmkv5a4gkQw

Has the famous Eric Cantona's kung fu kick reduced the number of football fans?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7PSY7KYThk

Did Zidane's headbutt attack stop football from being the most popular sport discipline in the world? As far as I know it is more popular than ever.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAjWi663kXc

All the above mentioned sportsmen did much worse things than Ostberg and they didn't get kicked from TV broadcasts.
I think that a fine of 1000E is OK, but suspending 25 points seems to much. Just my opinion.

[Franky]

That's the point you never hear more than a word or two, out of the past 20 years I can't remember any interview which was like this.

So when it's one that stands out you draw the line. Cause it's just the one driver that once crossed it.

Got a tiny money penalty (you get more for 20 km/h over the speed limit in Norway). And a reminder not to do it again. But hey let's start with end of the world drama like for Tanak....


Gronholm, M. Martin, P. Solberg, McRae or Meeke had no real emotions? Yet they managed that without anything like this.

Getting kicked from TV broadcasts reduces viewers, no matter the reason.

Also somehow most people watch rally to see cars go fast, not because they love stage end interviews.

I'm sure there's been interviews like this before in the last ten years. Not going to compare the amount of nice words in them, but the message of the answers.

Getting kicked from TV broadcast? Don't be so hysterical.

And no point in writing anything about Tänak's dramas to me. Don't care about them.

[mknight]

Thank you for your explanation. I see what you mean, but I have a different opinion. I think that we shouldn't castrate motorsport in such way and make it even more boring than it is now. Have a look at some other sports disciplines:
....

All the above mentioned sportsmen did much worse things than Ostberg and they didn't get kicked from TV broadcasts.
I think that a fine of 1000E is OK, but suspending 25 points seems to much. Just my opinion.

Zidane got red card immediatelly, which is the biggest punishment you can get in footbal as a player and it severly hurts the team.

Østberg got a tiny fine, nothing else as long as he doesn't repeat it this year.

It again illustrates my point perfectly, Zidane got red car cause it was not alright (over the line) and he never did that again afterwards.




I'm sure there's been interviews like this before in the last ten years. Not going to compare the amount of nice words in them, but the message of the answers.



No they weren't, prove it. WRC controversial interviews get recorded just like any others.

The language is what matters in this case, not the message. Again precisely the point, it's entirely possible to get the message across without using only swearwords.

[denkimi]

It again illustrates my point perfectly, Zidane got red car cause it was not alright (over the line) and he never did that again afterwards.


and do you know why zidane never did that again?

[Franky]

Also, if FIA has issues with abusive language. Then why does F1's official Youtube channel include these kind of moments. They are beeped, but beeping really doesn't change anything in the way a viewer perceives it - https://youtu.be/wBeHD8KFhYE?t=72

And beeped radio communication is also played during the race, so live broadcast element is there as well.

[henzo]

But they dont get fined when they swear between the finish and stop control, even though that is sometimes also aired to tv...
basically just swear before you open your door, if youre lucky someone will hear what you really meant to say, and when you get to the stop control and open the door, act cool and natural and answer politically correctly... smh...

[cali]

I disagree. Neuville has shown plenty of brilliant speed in that car over the years. His issue is silly mistakes/ coping with the pressure at the business end of the season.

The major question is about how fast and driveable Ott can make the car on tarmac. So far only Neuville has been able to properly find a wayI think Henzo didn't mention Neuville because he has been the only one who has been comfortable in the i20 and he excluded him from that list on this basis

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[cali]

Re Ostberg case. I thought it was hilarious but also I get why he got the fine. Relax, it was just a little bit overboard this time.

But again... It was hilarious

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[henzo]

His co-drivers reaction was even more funnier, looked as if he wasnt that upset even, but saw an opportunity to toss the pacenotes around abit

[Jarek Z]

Can I see it anywhere?

[cali]

Can I see it anywhere?https://twitter.com/THenroteaux/status/1401444440129036289?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1401444440129036289%7Ctwgr% 5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_c10&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fsport.delfi.ee%2Fartikkel%2F 93658111%2Fvideo-kuradi-s-tad-rehvid-norra-ralliass-hakkas-parast-rehvipurunemist-maratsema

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[cali]

His co-drivers reaction was even more funnier, looked as if he wasnt that upset even, but saw an opportunity to toss the pacenotes around abitI had the same impression :D

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[cali]

Can I see it anywhere?https://fb.watch/5Y__CzWRUA/

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[Jarek Z]

Thank you very much. It looks funny, indeed :)

[pantealex]

Every rally you can hear swearwords when drivers give "your own language" answers.

Finnish drivers did use "vituttaa" many times during Sardinia
(V word is same as F word)

I´m OK with Mads money penalty but that 25p is stupid, what you say shouldn´t matter to your point score, time matters.

[cali]

Every rally you can hear swearwords when drivers give "your own language" answers.

Finnish drivers did use "vituttaa" many times during Sardinia
(V word is same as F word)

I´m OK with Mads money penalty but that 25p is stupid, what you say shouldn´t matter to your point score, time matters.But hey, finns use their precious V-word everywhere, it goes unnoticed when someone uses it, it's like a comma for you guys :D

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[AnttiL]

Every rally you can hear swearwords when drivers give "your own language" answers.

Finnish drivers did use "vituttaa" many times during Sardinia
(V word is same as F word)


"own language answers" don't go out live, they are only used for edited recaps.

I don't understand why people think this penalty will change stage end interviews forever, like no one would say anything anymore. Just try to limit your f-words. I don't think even using the f-word just once in an interview would have resulted in a penalty.

[Franky]

When a person has reached that level of emotionality, you can tell them to limit their language use as much as you want. But it won't happen as they just can't, unless you force them to calm down.

[denkimi]

"own language answers" don't go out live, they are only used for edited recaps.

I don't understand why people think this penalty will change stage end interviews forever, like no one would say anything anymore. Just try to limit your f-words. I don't think even using the f-word just once in an interview would have resulted in a penalty.
If they can destroy your championship because of wat you say, it's safer to say nothing at all. After all, they don't even want to hear want you would like to say. They just want some lame bullshit that has no meaning, so they definately don't offend anyone.

You better just write a generic sentence, print it on a piece of paper and show it at every stop.

[flykas]

Ostberg's co-driver's reactions was very funny, It looked like he is just trying to support Ostbergs anger :]] Also strange that they didn't ask him to repeat that whole bit about tires in Norwegian : D

[mknight]

If they can destroy your championship because of wat you say, it's safer to say nothing at all. After all, they don't even want to hear want you would like to say. They just want some lame bullshit that has no meaning, so they definately don't offend anyone.

You better just write a generic sentence, print it on a piece of paper and show it at every stop.

Right.... a bit more drama please.

As AnttiL wrote and you quoted, you hear one swear word at least 2-3 times every rally from different drivers and nobody ever got penalized for that and I don't think they will. It was also correctly pointed out that you can express emotions and meaning extremely well without swearing.

Going full retard is something else, never go full retard.


Østberg was not on Panizzi's level yet though: https://youtu.be/N1dawGiMEzM?t=61 (do watch to whole vid, for some Safari reality back in the days)

Note that Panizzi didn't swear once, just went to punch the other driver in the face... and got kicked from the rally. Those nasty FIA officials didn't want him to express his emotions.

[AndyRAC]

I actually think his fine was because of a combination of 'fruity' language - and also the absolute damning criticism of the awful Pirelli tyres. You can't criticise an official FiA supplier/sponsor.....it doesn't go down well.

However, later in the day, Pirelli suffered a much higher profile embarrassment due to their poor tyres.......

[TheFlyingTuga]

I actually think his fine was because of a combination of 'fruity' language - and also the absolute damning criticism of the awful Pirelli tyres. You can't criticise an official FiA supplier/sponsor.....it doesn't go down well.

However, later in the day, Pirelli suffered a much higher profile embarrassment due to their poor tyres.......

Pirelli has an embarrassment of a weekend with F1 and WRC. But I'm with you, more than the "lively" language, I think the Pirelli criticism is what got him the fine. Maybe they should fine Max for kicking the tyre as well.

[seb_sh]

I think Ostberg went a bit over the top, it was not "just swearing" it was quite aggressive swearing and demeanor so he got the penalty, the points deduction is suspended so more like a warning. If he just said "fuck these tyres" i'm sure it would have been overlooked. I can understand he was very tired and had layers and layers of frustration building but once you open the door a switch should go off in your head to control yourself. I think the suspended penalty will remind him and others to keep it below a certain level. I love a real character and an f-bomb here and there but there is a line somewhere.

Otherwise i enjoyed the rally, although it was not very intense it was an attrition rally and was waiting for the next issue for someone. Interesting that Adamo "predicted" Sordo's mistake by saying he sometimes cracks under pressure in an interview, if I heard it correctly.

[denkimi]

Right.... a bit more drama please.

As AnttiL wrote and you quoted, you hear one swear word at least 2-3 times every rally from different drivers and nobody ever got penalized for that and I don't think they will. It was also correctly pointed out that you can express emotions and meaning extremely well without swearing.



Exactly, nobody got punished. Because it was never considered illegal.

So why did they feel like they suddenly had to change that? Would we dare to say it's because it was aimed at the tyres of a big sponsor of the championship?



Østberg was not on Panizzi's level yet though: https://youtu.be/N1dawGiMEzM?t=61 (do watch to whole vid, for some Safari reality back in the days)

Note that Panizzi didn't swear once, just went to punch the other driver in the face... and got kicked from the rally. Those nasty FIA officials didn't want him to express his emotions.
Please take note that punching people is illegal in most countries, while swearing is not. Especially not when it is not aimed at a person but at objects.

[Sulland]

Some of the challenge here is non native speakers trying to swear in english, but chooses to do it in american.

When working in a international organisation, I often overheard brits that was asked the question; What is the difference btw english and american languages.
many different answers of course, the best one was giver by a senior UK officer:
You take the english language, and stip it of 50% of the words.
Then when you speak, you replace 50% of the words with fuck, shit and bitch - then you are close.
An Amecican general present smiled and said, I am sorry to say you are right. This is American pop culture's gift to the world!

The penalty Mads got is imo way to hard. If you are to start tightening in on language use then all drivers need to be told before you start making examples.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E3Q-cbjX0AEa3-0?format=jpg&name=medium

[Fast Eddie WRC]

The difference between Ogier...
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E3NXL2qXEAYTBi6?format=jpg&name=medium

And Evans.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E3Oky3EWEAEVoPh?format=jpg&name=medium

[mknight]

It's just as much about the money, as it is about the "looks".

Last year Østbergs WRC2 season was partly paid by Michelin.
When Pirelli became sole supplier of WRC2 this year he lost the funding and had issues financing the season (which is why he didn't start Monte and Arctic).

Also last year he had punctures on Michelin in Monte and in Estonia.
Monte SS3:
Østberg Mads - Eriksen Torstein
"I touched a rock with my rear - I don't really understand why it damaged the rim."
Estonia SS4:
Østberg Mads - Eriksen Torstein
"I was landing on a jump and straight away I had a puncture.. I don't know why it happened."

[AnttiL]

If they can destroy your championship because of wat you say, it's safer to say nothing at all. After all, they don't even want to hear want you would like to say. They just want some lame bullshit that has no meaning, so they definately don't offend anyone.

You better just write a generic sentence, print it on a piece of paper and show it at every stop.

You know it won't become this, it's childish to exaggarate like this. I haven't seen any driver or even Mads himself comment how bad this penalty was.

[AnttiL]

I think this whole issue shows how differently we perceive things. Some of us believe on complete individual freedom, some of us want regulations to be obeyed for the common benefit.

We can all ask ourselves:
1. Do I accept that kind of language?
2. Do I think that most people accept that kind of language?

And we can get four different combinations of the answers. We just need to agree to disagree.

BTW does anyone remember Latvala's reaction on a puncture in Catalunya 2019, at the end of Terra Alta? He also used the f-word at least once (likely more) on his stage end interview tantrum. But that wasn't a live TV broadcast, it was only direct on All Live. They were able to beep that on the TV review broadcasts.

[TypeR]

I think it's not drivers business to follow if it's a TV stage or not.. it's on AllLive anyway. As wrc+ is having troubles quite a lot with the live, tehn adding 10-20s delay wouldn't really change anything as livemaps works..

if Mads' thing hadn't been brought up with the penalty, it would have been forgotten already.. but now it went worldwide and even people who don't follow rally, has seen it.

Meeke - https://youtu.be/Cko4smM0ekU?t=55
Latvala - https://youtu.be/2ewRN8wWrVs?t=24

[Fast Eddie WRC]

I've seen it quite a few times where a driver shows a really bad reaction.

Last I remember was Lukyanuk in the ERC going berserk when his co-driver check-in error cost him the win.

The problem is we see everything now with in-car cameras and stage reporters. Why should the driver have to censor himself, I think that ahould be the responsibility of the TV broadcaster.

[denkimi]

We can all ask ourselves:
1. Do I accept that kind of language?
2. Do I think that most people accept that kind of language?

yes and yes.
if people want a safe space they can go play Pétanque with the other boring people.

rallying used to be an exciting sport for drivers with big balls. nowadays they can't even swear anymore. the pussyfication of society tries to destroy everything.

[dimviii]

agree 100% with mknight at this subject,as also with seb sh.

i will use a post of ''mknight'' to see the big problem created from Pirelli tyres to Ostberg,which drove him to talk like a 16 year old football hooligan.



Note that in Sardinia afaik the only one out of the top 4 WRC2 (Hutunnen, Østbeg, Bulacia, Fourmaux, and Gryazin + Mikkelsen but they drove only a few stage) with a puncture was Østberg on one stage. That's hardly any drama.
In Portugal afaik it was Østberg and Suninen with one each, Lappi, Solberg, Bulacia etc. didn't have any.

Historically R5s get a lot of punctures though, in Turkey it's usually at least one each..


i really cant understand some mates opinion that the fia was very hard to Ostberg.

So if Ogier loose the championship ,its ok for you to start talking live about the f@cking fia that with their rules he lost the championship.
Or Tanak start talking about the f@cking hyundai that another time something broke
Or whatever driver has a problem to start talking about f@ckings for whatever believes is a problem for him.
Just because he had some misfortunes at previous stage,and because he just had finished the stage,he was at steam so it is acceptable.

No it is not.
And its not because the tyres (a new one which created inside the covid problems at short time)did excellent for other wrc2 competitors.
Yes you cant blame a manufacture talking about f@cks because you had a puncture.
You cant make problem to a manufacurer that is wrc from 1970, with decades of championships ,because Ostberg had a puncture,probably because of his driving/fault.

Except that, the fia announced just a 1000 euro and 25 points if he would do the same at future.
So they did NOTHING to him, but just a warning.
And plenty of some mates here ,believe that they were very harsch to him.

[the sniper]

Regarding the Mads issue, while I'm surprised the FIA got involved, particularly to the extent they have, it isn't necessarily an incident without consequence for the sport. Personally it doesn't bother me at all, but from a UK regulatory point of view (sorry NOT, if you're out there!), if OFCOM (UK TV regulator) were aware of this being broadcast and were aware how often spearing was being broadcast pre-watershed (9pm) during WRC, they'd be fining BT Sport (UK WRC broadcaster) for repeated violations. Isolated incidents are fine, but OFCOM have been/are particularly bothered by repeated breaches of regulations where nothing is seen to be done to prevent a reoccurrence. An odd 's***' or 'f***' they'll get away with, but for some reason 'f***ing' is considered worse, and repetition seen as worse and avoidable by the broadcast for failing to intervene or cut away. A large part of why F1 went to delayed radio playout is because of OFCOM influence. Some context can be seen here for a far more minor incident in F1: https://motorsportbroadcasting.com/2013/02/18/ofcom-clear-bbc-sky-over-sebastian-vettel-swearing/

While I absolutely don't want the sport having to bow down to UK TV regs, I'd imagine BT Sport is one of the higher paying rights holders to WRC, so the Promoter may have been warned by BT that they're putting them at risk of trouble/fine. The FIA probably acted on the Promoters behalf as they don't have a mechanism to do it themselves. Plus BT, as a big organisation, wouldn't want to be broadcasting that kind of language at that time of the morning regardless. UK rally fans are obviously a sensible bunch, as seemingly no one has complained about any of the swearing broadcast so OFCOM haven't been made aware. But I have to say this, I've NEVER heard anywhere near as much swearing on British TV pre watershed (9pm) as I have during the last couple of years on WRC live. It's literally an exceptional case.

EDIT: I should add, this was broadcast on BT Sport 3 rather than behind the 'red button' interactive service as it was a TV stage. While it may be a coincidence, the feed cut out a couple of times (which also wouldn't have pleased BT). After the Mads incident, when the feed dropped out, BT Sport didn't wait long for it to return and went to alternative programming instead.

[dimviii]

Βulacia roll from another angle
https://twitter.com/ma_ipp/status/1401785660063813632

[dimviii]

The difference between Ogier...
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E3NXL2qXEAYTBi6?format=jpg&name=medium

And Evans.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E3Oky3EWEAEVoPh?format=jpg&name=medium


winner is Latvala

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E3Rnm57WEAAumHY?format=jpg&name=small

[AnttiL]

rallying used to be an exciting sport for drivers with big balls. nowadays they can't even swear anymore. the pussyfication of society tries to destroy everything.

I don't remember the greats like Mikkola, Röhrl, Vatanen, Kankkunen, Salonen, Auriol, Sainz, Loeb etc. showing their "big balls" through excessive swearing in interviews.

[AnttiL]

Regarding the Mads issue, while I'm surprised the FIA got involved, particularly to the extent they have, it isn't necessarily an incident without consequence for the sport. Personally it doesn't bother me at all, but from a UK regulatory point of view (sorry NOT, if you're out there!), if OFCOM (UK TV regulator) were aware of this being broadcast and were aware how often spearing was being broadcast pre-watershed (9pm) during WRC, they'd be fining BT Sport (UK WRC broadcaster) for repeated violations. Isolated incidents are fine, but OFCOM have been/are particularly bothered by repeated breaches of regulations where nothing is seen to be done to prevent a reoccurrence. An odd 's***' or 'f***' they'll get away with, but for some reason 'f***ing' is considered worse, and repetition seen as worse and avoidable by the broadcast for failing to intervene or cut away. A large part of why F1 went to delayed radio playout is because of OFCOM influence. Some context can be seen here for a far more minor incident in F1: https://motorsportbroadcasting.com/2013/02/18/ofcom-clear-bbc-sky-over-sebastian-vettel-swearing/

While I absolutely don't want the sport having to bow down to UK TV regs, I'd imagine BT Sport is one of the higher paying rights holders to WRC, so the Promoter may have been warned by BT that they're putting them at risk of trouble/fine. The FIA probably acted on the Promoters behalf as they don't have a mechanism to do it themselves. Plus BT, as a big organisation, wouldn't want to be broadcasting that kind of language at that time of the morning regardless. UK rally fans are obviously a sensible bunch, as seemingly no one has complained about any of the swearing broadcast so OFCOM haven't been made aware. But I have to say this, I've NEVER heard anywhere near as much swearing on British TV pre watershed (9pm) as I have during the last couple of years on WRC live. It's literally an exceptional case.

EDIT: I should add, this was broadcast on BT Sport 3 rather than behind the 'red button' interactive service as it was a TV stage. While it may be a coincidence, the feed cut out a couple of times (which also wouldn't have pleased BT). After the Mads incident, when the feed dropped out, BT Sport didn't wait long for it to return and went to alternative programming instead.

Yes, this is an important point. For example movie ratings in the US allow you to use only once the F-word, otherwise it becomes Rated R.

[dimviii]

187 grams lighter dashboard at Mads c3

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E3Q7btZWQAEAFMD?format=jpg&name=large

[AnttiL]

I think it's not drivers business to follow if it's a TV stage or not.. it's on AllLive anyway. As wrc+ is having troubles quite a lot with the live, tehn adding 10-20s delay wouldn't really change anything as livemaps works..

It does make a difference. All Live is shown only through the WRC+ service behind a paywall, they only have to be responsible to their users. But the TV stages are broadcast to various television channels, who are paying for the contract, and they might want to stop showing rallying at daytime or stop showing live broadcasts if swearing becomes frequent, and these are big sums of money.

[mknight]

Latvala - https://youtu.be/2ewRN8wWrVs?t=24

I am quite sure Latvala got a money penalty for that. The big difference there for promoter is that he is just angry not "blaming" tires (Michelin) or car.

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Anyway for my own part I don't care about their language.

But there are two things:
1. I sometimes watch with my son who is quite a bit below 10 years and speaks quite a bit of English. He didn't watch at this moment with Østberg but if he did I already know what he would ask. "What does f***** mean?"
"Don't watch with him" => less viewers (I go do something else with him), less future fans => less manus => less cars etc.

2. What sniper says and was mentioned before. TV channels get hefty fines for this kind of stuff if it is repeated. So they stop buying the broadcasts or move them to alternate channels => less promotion, less viewers => less manus => less cars.
"TV broadcasts are not important, fans watch on Alllive". This is wrong, TV broadcasts are important for getting new fans or hooking "semi-interested" fans. If you go for paying for allive you mostly already are hooked.

[dimviii]

lighter front subframe at Rossels c3

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E3Qs4gzXoAAHixI?format=jpg&name=large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E3Qs5E_XEAIOM1v?format=jpg&name=large

[AnttiL]

Anyway for my own part I don't care about their language.

But there are two things:
1. I sometimes watch with my son who is quite a bit below 10 years and speaks quite a bit of English. He didn't watch at this moment with Østberg but if he did I already know what he would ask. "What does f***** mean?"
"Don't watch with him" => less viewers (I go do something else with him), less future fans => less manus => less cars etc.



+1

I was also watching the power stage with my four year old who is starting to build interest in the sport. I wouldn't want my kid to hear one of the Finnish drivers pull out a similar interview as Mads did (luckily doesn't understand English yet)

[Franky]

Antti, all stages broadcasted are essentially TV stages by now. Just the "TV stages" have got more channels broadcasting.

[AnttiL]

I am quite sure Latvala got a money penalty for that. The big difference there for promoter is that he is just angry not "blaming" tires (Michelin) or car.

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No penalty for him in the stewards' decisions

http://www.rallyracc.com/2019/en/tablon.html

[mknight]

rallying used to be an exciting sport for drivers with big balls. nowadays they can't even swear anymore. the pussyfication of society tries to destroy everything.


So much this:

I don't remember the greats like Mikkola, Röhrl, Vatanen, Kankkunen, Salonen, Auriol, Sainz, Loeb etc. showing their "big balls" through excessive swearing in interviews.

In the past with all these (missing McRae and Gronholm deeply on the list) you very rarely had any swearing, the post 1995-ish generation also always got a mic right in the face at stop control.
Now when you see more swearing than before trying to limit it is "pussyfication" and "political correctness".

It's actually entirely the opposite. Proper characters can express their feelings without "cheap" words, sometimes much better. Takes control and wit to do that. Repeating a few swear words is something any simple person can do.
So if anything there is "dumbification" going on.

[AnttiL]

Antti, all stages broadcasted are essentially TV stages by now. Just the "TV stages" have got more channels broadcasting.

But with different volumes. There's likely more money involved in the TV stages.

[mknight]

No penalty for him in the stewards' decisions

http://www.rallyracc.com/2019/en/tablon.html

I was searching for it here and didn't find it either, weird. Maybe it was some warning?

[Sulland]

Was it not too heavy?

[mknight]

187 grams lighter dashboard at Mads c3



lighter front subframe at Rossels c3


This is actually extremely mild penalties considering some decisions from the past.

- Lykyanuk wheelbase on C3 in Roma
- Ford 4mm windows in Portugal etc.

Privateers are a whole different world altogether, getting kicked for the slightest thing.

[Franky]

But with different volumes. There's likely more money involved in the TV stages.

If it's broadcasted on a TV channel, it doesn't matter if it's more channels or not. Watershed rules apply nearly everywhere in the developed world.

Just trying to say that if you enforce some kind of rules, then you need to do it for all the stages by now. Can't be selective and have different approaches for stages depending how you sell them to TV stations.

[dimviii]

Explaining the changes he had made, Evans told DirtFish: “We tried some stuff, tried some areas that we were struggling with in Portugal which to be fair, it did [improve] to a point but it hampered other areas more than what we expected.

“We were trying to fight for a bit more support after Portugal. I felt the car was a bit soft and it didn’t really give you any feeling, so we got the support but didn’t get the connection with the road.

“While that often doesn’t cost you so much performance, it really affects your feeling behind the wheel. You just can’t feel the grip basically. That’s the sensation I felt [on Friday] morning.

“You always try to do something because we felt we had a bit of a deficit we needed to find, so on one hand it was worth the gamble but looking back now, hindsight’s a wonderful thing, it probably wasn’t,” he added.

“The idea was great, and normally when you’ve done your set-up for Portugal you don’t normally need to change so much for Sardinia but we didn’t envisage to struggle, especially on Friday morning.

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/the-set-up-panic-that-hindered-in-italy/

[lmmjvss]

Hmmm Im not paying for WRC+ this years cuz I lost my job so Im only watching that shitty RedBullTV's highlights coverage with lots of bla bla bla instead of showing the actual highlights like in WRC+ highlights...
However I just realized that RedBullTV is actually using the WRC+ highlights this year!
Any infos on that? I mean, I like WRC+ highlights better but that doenst sound like a "Gmbh thing".

[mknight]

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/colin-clarks-2021-rally-italy-driver-ratings/

I'd drop Greensmith a bit from 7/10 to 6 or 5. He indeed didn't do anything wrong, but not anything specifically good either. But last minute codriver change is a problem.

More importantly 8/10 to Neuville is way too much. He finished as last WRC bare Katsuta who had lots of issues. On a rally where Hyundai always does well and Tanak was leading from start posistion just behind him.
Great power stage doesn't save whole rally. 6/10 at best.

Loubet 2/10 is a bit harsh. The car was breaking down every second stage and with 0 zeros in last two rallies surely he wasn't going to push in the 1-2 stages where it works.

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Since they brought it up Meeke is like 8 or 7 as a commentator. Constantly long stories about his career and what he likes instead of commenting the rally (it's not supposed to be an interview). Not seeing Østbergs puncture when he drives slowly right in front of the cameras and saying it's turbo issue...

Østberg as a commentator is a level better.

[dimviii]

impossible to avoid the stone,just right at his line,and with the speed he had definetely he hadnt had time to react.
https://twitter.com/OfficialWRC/status/1401962162906537984

[Rallyper]

I don't remember the greats like Mikkola, Röhrl, Vatanen, Kankkunen, Salonen, Auriol, Sainz, Loeb etc. showing their "big balls" through excessive swearing in interviews.

Because live interviews were not common at all, if they ever excisted...

[Oliverk]

impossible to avoid the stone,just right at his line,and with the speed he had definetely he hadnt had time to react.
https://twitter.com/OfficialWRC/status/1401962162906537984

That "fan" with a green shirt next to the Tänak stone. Must be vey happy now, for not removing it. I have moved 30 kg boulders in my local rallyes 10-s of times.

[Rallyper]

So FIA tries to make Citroen leave the circus completely?

This sub frame weighting more...? 30 000 Euros!!!

And dashboard is controlled...? What were they looking for? Are all cars been scrutinered that dissected?

[AnttiL]

https://twitter.com/TakamotoKatsuta/status/1401838956304646145


I must say huge thanks to my co-driver Dan.
I know it was impossible to keep concentrating but you did it for the team and for me... I hoping quick recovery and see you soon!Winking faceFolded hands

??

[Jarek Z]

I don't remember the greats like Mikkola, Röhrl, Vatanen, Kankkunen, Salonen, Auriol, Sainz, Loeb etc. showing their "big balls" through excessive swearing in interviews.

I think that there was no live broadcast from the stages at that time.

[mknight]

I think that there was no live broadcast from the stages at that time.

Since at least 1997 there have been reporters at almost every stopline with camera and mic right into drivers face.

[JRecords]

https://youtu.be/h_A5ZVGiA0Q
My video with Rally Sardegna in 0:04 amazing Katsuta jump...

[AnttiL]

I think that there was no live broadcast from the stages at that time.

Yes there was, even in the 80’s

[Jarek Z]

Yes there was, even in the 80’s

Thanks for the info. I was too young in the eighties. Plus - in Poland we didn't have access to western TV channels at those dark times ;)

[tommeke_B]

My resume from our Rally Italia Sardegna. After the travel restrictions eased a few weeks ago, we booked for the rally, quite last-minute. Went from Thursday night until Sunday night, so no shakedown, and no powerstage (as we had to catch the plane back). Thanks to the easy itinerary with different stages in the morning and the afternoon, we managed to see 10 stages.

First stage on Friday was the reversed Monte Lerno (ignoring the name they used), a fast righthander only 3km after the start. Not that much special to see, apart from Suninen who went really wide despite not going so fast compared to others. Later that stage we heard he went off, nobody was surprised... Then we went to SS4, Terranova, to some fast section with some bump that hadn't been used since 2008, a place found on an onboard with Loeb. Not sure if it's down to the evolution of the suspension, or the shape of the road having changed, but from that big bump little was left. In 2008 the car hit the ground, now they barely had an impact. Anyway, still a very nice spot where you had a long view. Then off to SS6 and SS8. SS6 the famous 2 jumps near a windmill. Lots of spectators and a lot of remote cameras on spot, so no photos. What I'll remember is that it was less spectacular than other years, and very hot. SS8 some technical section after the start, not much special to see, the road was getting very rutted.

Saturday we started on SS9 with a fast section of corners between the cork trees. Always spectacular to see the cars slide from one corner into the other on those roads which seem to be made just around the trees. After that we went to SS12, on some extremely fast section (roughly 160kph), it's a long left hander some kind of drop in the middle. Very spectacular to see the cars slide full throttle and then fly for a few tenths of a section before proceeding their high-speed drift. Especially Evans and Neuville were crazy to see. Ogier was clean but looked at least as fast, and so was his stage-time. Then we went to the finish of SS13, a new stage. Great views. Some km before the finish I found some Safari-like section, where they drove on the grass, there was some right hander with a sharp jump in it. Most drivers took it easy, and it didn't take long before the stage was neutralized. We ended the day on SS16 Castelsardo, the sharp downhill section with all the jumps, which most people who watched WRC+ will recognize. Very interesting to see how much some were pushing there, especially regarding there's little time to be won there and for many the rally was pretty much over.

Sunday we did SS17 and 19, arrived at the last junction before the finish, without much preparation. Luckily there was a nice spot just after the junction, where you could see the junction, a lefthander with a watersplash in it, into a medium right. Interesting to see, lots of different lines, and also fun to watch the later runners. On the second loop I chose a fast lefthander over a sharp crest between rocks, nearly 200m before that junction. Despite looking like a really nice place, I expected it to be boring, as it's the last stage before the powerstage. However it was nice, both Neuville and Sordo went quite wide. Then for the R5 cars (sorry, rally2..) we waited until Linnamäe before leaving, he was spectacular every time we saw him... And he had a huge crash there, one of the biggest ones I've seen in my life. He arrived way too fast, completely sideways, went wide and hit the bank, after that the nose went over, and he rolled front-to-end. The impacts were very brutal and it seemed like he kept rolling. After the corner it was sharp downhill, the car stopped some 150m after the corner, the road was littered with dampers, wheels and pieces from the cars, sump guard laying in front of the car, gearbox sitting loose underneath it... I opened the co-drivers door and asked if they were ok, but they seemed to be dizzy from the crash. Fortunately at the junction just after, the paramedics were there, so it didn't take long for them to be looked after. Also the car started smoking but that was shut quickly. I hope someone can confirm both are OK now.

So we ended the rally with a bang... All in all great event. It was my 8th Rally Sardinia, and apart from one place, everything was new for me. The organizers are really blessed with Sardinia as a location. There are a lot of roads to choose from so they can keep innovating their rally, making almost every edition different from the others. Only downside is how rough the stages are, resulting in a lot of retirements, but also that is part of the sport. Without SuperRally, it would be a disaster on sunday.

A few photos:

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Neuville pushing it on SS12.

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Huttunen in the watersplash on SS17.

https://scontent-ams4-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/196833666_6052139934797842_5966399904538560577_n.j pg?_nc_cat=104&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=0debeb&_nc_ohc=i3l7BCfdKuMAX9J4vkm&_nc_ht=scontent-ams4-1.xx&oh=21924c3b2e84314d456b3fa4175f66a9&oe=60E5647E
Linnamäe on SS19 where it went wrong.

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Ogier on SS 13.

https://scontent-amt2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/198338513_6052140611464441_2320936252035274117_n.j pg?_nc_cat=101&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=0debeb&_nc_ohc=vqH_vGlSkBIAX9loPf2&_nc_ht=scontent-amt2-1.xx&oh=88edd0693b739e9c9be80c56c751b833&oe=60E3F11D
Ingram on SS9.

Some more photos: https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?vanity=rallyimage&set=a.6052183768126792

[tommeke_B]

So FIA tries to make Citroen leave the circus completely?

This sub frame weighting more...? 30 000 Euros!!!

And dashboard is controlled...? What were they looking for? Are all cars been scrutinered that dissected?

Making the sub frame stronger for a rough event like Sardinia could be a serious advantage to the car... If you homologate a part, it should be the same for every event, not lighter or heavier. If they allow that, all teams can make their parts stronger/heavier for Safari only.

[dimviii]

plenty here didnt undertand how wrong was Mads,at least he understand it himself.

https://twitter.com/MadsOstberg/status/1402009538656677890

[the sniper]

https://twitter.com/TakamotoKatsuta/status/1401838956304646145



??

Hmm. The Google translation of the Japanese bit adds a little more:


I am grateful to Dan for working hard to the end in a really difficult situation like never before during this rally.

[bluuford]

https://twitter.com/TakamotoKatsuta/status/1401838956304646145



??

Kind of heat stroke after Friday super warm weather...

[bluuford]

Linnamäe OK, they went to hospital for checks, today was on the plane, looked a bit beaten up, but otherwise OK.

[TypeR]

plenty here didnt undertand how wrong was Mads,at least he understand it himself.

https://twitter.com/MadsOstberg/status/1402009538656677890
Sorry - check

Yet thanked everybody who supported him (who took it as a normal reaction after so many dramas and didn't see it as the end of the world).

[EstWRC]

can somebody please do something with the spam bots? that one has already made 55 posts, how is this possible?

[AnttiL]

can somebody please do something with the spam bots? that one has already made 55 posts, how is this possible?

With this old forum software, likely not much to do. You can ban them, but they keep registering.

[Rallyper]

Yes there was, even in the 80’s

But no live, possibly occasionally. So very easy to beep up.

[Rallyper]

Making the sub frame stronger for a rough event like Sardinia could be a serious advantage to the car... If you homologate a part, it should be the same for every event, not lighter or heavier. If they allow that, all teams can make their parts stronger/heavier for Safari only.

I´ll buy that. Good answer. :)

[cali]

Sorry - check

Yet thanked everybody who supported him (who took it as a normal reaction after so many dramas and didn't see it as the end of the world).Define normal reaction

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[mknight]

The reaction to what Mads said was normal, he was bit too vocal and got a tiny money penalty from FIA and a big reminder not to be that vocal again.

The reaction to the FIA penalty here and elsewhere was anything but normal...... "omg end of free speech", "huge penalty", "they don't want emotions"...etc.

What followed was explaining why FIA had to do something at all and not just let it pass to all those "OMG" people.

[Franky]

Just forget it already. In a month some will remember that some rally driver was really pissed off and maybe something about the penalty side. Majority of people won't even remember any of it.

[EstWRC]

Just forget it already. In a month some will remember that some rally driver was really pissed off and maybe something about the penalty side. Majority of people won't even remember any of it.

exactly

why guys you cant agree to disagree, people have always different opinions but at the moment one side is trying endlessly convince the other and vice versa

[dimviii]

So strong in Portugal before his departure, Thierry Neuville was unable to regain that level of performance in Sardinia, tangling without being able to reverse the trend. At the finish line, the Hyundai rider lost "only" seven points to Sébastien Ogier in the championship, a minor problem.

Like Elfyn Evans, the Belgian rider had a very disappointing first day, quickly leaving the race for victory.

"I could take Elfyn's comments and say they're the same for me (general lack of feeling). I couldn’t have good feelings and struggled to find a little more speed and compete with Séb and Ott. I focused on driving the car and my style. In the second passes there was good speed, but in the first passes I struggled a lot. Unfortunately, Elfyn was also able to pick up speed. I felt helpless and realized I had to go ahead and go to the Power Stage. ”

Fortunately, this Sunday, the multiple runner-up in the rally world was able to find the resources needed to achieve speed despite the difficulties of the tires.

“I had two punctures on the first day and that meant we had lost two soft tires out of the eight allowed. on Sunday I just finished with used tires. We wanted to have a good position on the Power Stage and that was our only satisfaction this weekend. ”

The Belgian rider now hopes to find a good feeling in Kenya for an event that promises surprises.

“In Portugal the car worked well. We’ve done several tests and I hope we get the right setup right away. Safari will be a new and interesting adventure for all of us. It will be a really difficult event. "

Asked about the alleged fragility of his Hyundai, the Belgian believes that the Korean manufacturer will stop adding new upgrades to the current car, as it will focus on next year’s car.

If you look back on Saturday and see the size of a rock he touched (Tänak), I don't think any of these cars can stand it. True, we may be taking a little more risk than Toyota, but the team is more focused on the new car and we know what we have to solve to be strong with the new car. ”

https://motoresport.cat/2021/06/08/wrc-neuville-creu-que-hyundai-deixara-de-millorar-el-cotxe-actual-per-centrar-se-en-el-rally1-de-2022/?feed_id=3541

[scn]

I don't remember the greats like Mikkola, Röhrl, Vatanen, Kankkunen, Salonen, Auriol, Sainz, Loeb etc. showing their "big balls" through excessive swearing in interviews.

It is not "showing big balls". It is pure anger and frustration because a product of inadequate quality has damaged the effort of this guy in very difficult and dangerous conditions. Anger and frustration are very common human emotions under such circumstances and have nothing to do with "showing big balls".
Regarding swearing, Colin, Gigi and Marcus have done it. Before them there were no interviews.
And regarding "sporting attitude", the great Walter Rohrl, one of the best of all times and surely one with the most "sportsman" attitude, before entering Desfina stage in on Acropolis, stopped the car, went into a small village tavern and drunk a glass of retsina wine. Can someone imagine what would happen if this happened today and someone saw it?

[Fredouye]

My photos from this 2021 edition : https://flic.kr/s/aHsmVWXbgN

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210608/1559118993cd2d49a5da498c0901d44a.jpg

[Simmi]

The reaction to what Mads said was normal, he was bit too vocal and got a tiny money penalty from FIA and a big reminder not to be that vocal again.

The reaction to the FIA penalty here and elsewhere was anything but normal...... "omg end of free speech", "huge penalty", "they don't want emotions"...etc.

What followed was explaining why FIA had to do something at all and not just let it pass to all those "OMG" people.

When people started confusing 'shows of emotion' with torrents of prolonged swearing - that was the issue I think.

[steve.mandzij]

If there's something this forum knows how to do it's making a huge, long, droning deal about the most insignificant issues. Really, how much does anyone care anymore about Mads' outburst?

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[Sulland]

Was the fine given for the swearing just after the finish line, or for the post PS interview, if there was one?

[Jarek Z]

If there's something this forum knows how to do it's making a huge, long, droning deal about the most insignificant issues. Really, how much does anyone care anymore about Mads' outburst?

I have just found out that there are 12 pages about it. Over 100 posts. It starts on page 52 :)

But I enjoyed this discussion. It was interesting to see what other people think.

[Maui J.]

Oliver Solberg misses Rally Italia Sardgena

Oliver Solberg will not start next week’s Rally Italia Sardegna.

Oliver’s father Petter Solberg tested positive for coronavirus on Monday (May 24). The FIA’s Appendix S COVID-19 protocol and national government regulations offer clear quarantine instructions for those in close contact.

Oliver has tested negative repeatedly since Monday, but will remain in quarantine in a hotel in Porto for 14 days.

Oliver had been scheduled to make his second Hyundai i20 Coupe WRC appearance of the season at next week’s Olbia-based World Rally Championship round.

Oliver said: “You can imagine, I am more than disappointed by this news. I am a little bit devastated.

“But you know, we have seen in the last year what coronavirus can do. My papa is doing well with a small fever and I’m thinking to him right now.

“It’s really hard to take now, but the time for my next rally in that amazing Hyundai i20 Coupe WRC will come. We have these rules and regulations for a reason and that reason is to try to stop this thing spreading.

“My family accepts completely what the FIA, the rally organisers, the national governments and medical professionals are telling us. The most important thing is that we keep people safe.”

Sounds like Hyundai offered Solberg's vacant seat to Hayden Paddon at the last minute. Unfortunately due to quarantine requirements the window was just too small to work. Interesting that they still have him in their sights though.

https://talkmotorsport.co.nz/rally/hayden-paddon-writes-a-wrc-invite-to-rally-in-sardenga/

[1988senna]

in the event review . I see the M sport engineer said the difference between road mode and stage mode is engine calibration and engine map?? how is the things change and how is the foumaux feeling about ??

[Mirek]

in the event review . I see the M sport engineer said the difference between road mode and stage mode is engine calibration and engine map?? how is the things change and how is the foumaux feeling about ??

What do you mean by how is Fourmaux feeling about it? Every rallycar has a road mode to safe engine, clutch and transmission life and also fuel. The anti-lag is disangaged, the engine maps are much less sharp, throttle reactions are slow etc. It feels lazy and slow compared to the stage mode, for everyone.

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E3g9a1dX0AIbUBX?format=jpg&name=large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E3g9mjHWEAEUS3U?format=jpg&name=large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E3g95w1XwAEeksM?format=jpg&name=large


Credit #TimoAnis - @NikosKatikis

[MentalParadox]

The Ostberg penalty was 100% the Italian stewards running defense for "their" team, Pirelli. They were already under fire for their crap tires in the F1 Azerbaijan Grand Prix, and now THIS happens. When the event is run by your compatriots, this can be exploited to silence your critics.

[focus206]

The Ostberg penalty was 100% the Italian stewards running defense for "their" team, Pirelli. They were already under fire for their crap tires in the F1 Azerbaijan Grand Prix, and now THIS happens. When the event is run by your compatriots, this can be exploited to silence your critics.

lol "100%", sure it is.
You know it's FIA stewards who decide these fines and not rally organizers, right? As if Italian organizers would care in the slightest if a driver swears in English or Norwegian, or if he insults a tyre manufacturer that happens to be Italian. Most Italians into motorsport don't even care about FIAT, go figure if they feel obliged to defend a tyre manufacturer by imposing fines.

[1988senna]

What do you mean by how is Fourmaux feeling about it? Every rallycar has a road mode to safe engine, clutch and transmission life and also fuel. The anti-lag is disangaged, the engine maps are much less sharp, throttle reactions are slow etc. It feels lazy and slow compared to the stage mode, for everyone.

Thanks for your explaining, I almost understand,But maybe My English listening skill is not good,The MS engineer Jamie McMilian said there are two big differences ,
First is the engine calibration include the second is tillglation?? pressure target and Anti lag
Second is Engine Maps set.
But I guess the Engine maps function belong to the engine calibration set right?

Fourmaux said when change to stage mode ,the feel of the engine will get more banks? what does he mean for banks?

[mknight]

The Ostberg penalty was 100% the Italian stewards running defense for "their" team, Pirelli. They were already under fire for their crap tires in the F1 Azerbaijan Grand Prix, and now THIS happens. When the event is run by your compatriots, this can be exploited to silence your critics.

The Azerbaijan F1 started some 5 hours after Østberg said it. (He said it on first pass of PS)

Decision on penalty was annouced about half - way trough the F1 race (before the punctures happened)

[Franky]

Can't understand why people can't get over it. It happened, it's over. Life goes on.

[AnttiL]

lol "100%", sure it is.
You know it's FIA stewards who decide these fines and not rally organizers, right? As if Italian organizers would care in the slightest if a driver swears in English or Norwegian, or if he insults a tyre manufacturer that happens to be Italian. Most Italians into motorsport don't even care about FIAT, go figure if they feel obliged to defend a tyre manufacturer by imposing fines.

Correct, stewards are typically not all local. The stewards in Sardegna were Timo Rautiainen (Finland), Mathieu Remmerie(Belgium) and Edoardo Delleani (Italy).

[cali]

Correct, stewards are typically not all local. The stewards in Sardegna were Timo Rautiainen (Finland), Mathieu Remmerie(Belgium) and Edoardo Delleani (Italy).That's very "local italian" :D

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[Erki]

I don't really care about this Östberg outburst. I found it funny and was not offended by it. Why should I as a spectator be offended? He didn't say anything about me.

I don't recall now, has he been swearing in stage-end interviews before? There are a few drivers out there who just casually drop s- and f-bombs here and there, with no reason whatsover. I don't mind drivers boiling over if they're frustrated to the max, but needless swearing makes them look like undereducated coal miners having a pint in a pub.

After the finish, before the podium, winner Ogier, said something along the lines "I thought I would have a shit rally again". I was personally more bothered by that. Just needless and making him look less solid.

[Steve Boyd]

Fourmaux said when change to stage mode ,the feel of the engine will get more banks? what does he mean for banks?
I heard it as "bangs" - you get more backfiring when the anti-lag is active due to excess fuel getting into the exhaust. You don't have this in "road mode".

[EstWRC]

https://youtu.be/Gw_-DT6FYD4

[Eli]

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/rally-italy-set-for-another-location-change-in-2022/

As this year (imho) wasn't the most interesting rally (no offense), it's nice to see the organisers on their toes making it different from year to year.

[1988senna]

I think the bang is the right word.sorry for that it's the Greensmith not the formaux.
As the Mikemilan said the two different is the engine calibration and the center deep maps???

[DoN_cz]

Sorry to bring up old thread, but i feel its a bit early to create one for 2022....

Anyone know where the rally will be based this year? This page (https://www.carrentalinsardinia.com/blog/rally-sardinia-wrc/) claims it will be in Alghero, but it doesn't seem very reliable...

Have they always been alternating between Alghero and Olbia - year after year?

EDIT: and on wrc.com it says Olbia (https://www.wrc.com/en/championship/calendar/wrc/rally-italia-sardegna/overview/) - but that is not very reliable either :)

[AnttiL]

https://www.lanuovasardegna.it/sport/2021/06/08/news/il-rally-torna-ad-alghero-dalla-prossima-edizione-1.40369313

Alghero next year, they have planned to rotate the center every year. Before last year it was in Alghero for 5-6 years.