[WRC] Rally Italia Sardegna 2021

[mknight]

WRC2 is a bit boring now, we just wait if someone gets a puncture or an issue, otherwise the situation likely won't change

It's extremely boring, from 5 cars close in pace to 2 at best already half way trough first day. Safari will be even worse with just 2 starting in the first place... compared with Portugal or Croatia it's quite a big letdown.

[dimviii]

Ogier 5 sec faster than Tanak first pass

[Tauri_J]

neuville really slow

[dimviii]

neuville really slow

puncture

[mknight]

puncture

Caused by him hitting the bank.

[er88]

Great time Dani boy

[itix]

Did anyone catch Loubets problems?
I understood brakes but it looked like he had zero acceleration as well. He didn't even rotate the car through the hairpins.

[mknight]

He just said no brakes. Prbly not keep on accelerating too much when he can't brake for next corner.

[itix]

He just said no brakes. Prbly not keep on accelerating too much when he can't brake for next corner.True, but unless the brake fluid to the rear is gone he should still be able to rotate the car through the tight corners.

I know trail braking is a common technique to get the car rotated but that seemed a bit extreme.

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E3DR27hWUAEYuiX?format=jpg&name=medium

[dimviii]

https://youtu.be/tNvBkh99tQM

[meh]

Neuville went to "provement". Hopefully he will not overcookit it to ash.

[itix]

Who's with Becks in the comment booth?

[er88]

Ogier driving so well, and seems fired up for this weekend. Made it known he'd dominated Evans and Neuville at the stage end

[itix]

Who's with Becks in the comment booth?Never mind, Becks answered.
Molly clearly is quick, but a great commentator, she is not.

[meh]

Neuville: "2 punctures WITHOUT HITTING anything" :)

[meh]

Ott have again some problems with car, "the same as in Portugal", and was happy to get through the stage.

Not some easy day to watch tomorrow...

[EstWRC]

Cmon Neuville we saw you hitting the bank.

And heads will fly over Hyundai. Haven’t seen Ott so pissed off long time


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[dupanton]

If I've seen his correctly, I think his tyres where fully delaminated...

Greensmith broke gearbox/driveshaft at the startline...

[Tauri_J]

Why is it always Tänak having these weird issues?? smdh

[meh]

To make M-Sport day 100% failure, Greensmith stopped (assumed gearbox).

[dupanton]

To make M-Sport day 100% failure, Greensmith stopped (assumed gearbox).

They "repaired" it. I think maybe switched it to RWD/FWD

[dupanton]

Now Finally stopped. I think they would break everything if they would have continued, which could endanger their restart

[dimviii]

guys whats the problem with Tanak? i lost it.

[Tauri_J]

guys whats the problem with Tanak? i lost it.

Firstly I thought it was delaminating tyres but then he said same problem as in Portugal. So suspension imo

[Francis44]

guys whats the problem with Tanak? i lost it.

Same situation as in Portugal, suspension.

[meh]

guys whats the problem with Tanak? i lost it.

After stage came out of car end made "investigation loop" around it. Was not happy and said that "felt similar like in Portugal"

[itix]

They "repaired" it. I think maybe switched it to RWD/FWDYou could hear something go bang off the line.

Presumably they've locked the center diff but whatever went bang was rattling around like mad.

They will only destroy the car completely by continuing. If it a broken shaft It going around destroying everything around it by now.

[dimviii]

You could hear something go bang off the line.

Presumably they've locked the center diff but whatever went bang was rattling around like mad.

They will only destroy the car completely by continuing. If it a broken shaft It going around destroying everything around it by now.

something was leaking,so yes they are going to destroy it completely trying to reach service park.


Greensmith

He's stopped again. We can hear him on the phone to the M-Sport Ford team, explaining that the car is leaking gearbox oil.

[dimviii]

Emil Lindholm
@Emil_Lindholm
SS6 UPDATE:

That's it for the day. Our water pipe exploded for some reason during the stage. We tried to repair it in the stage and managed to get in to the finish but with the tools we have here it's impossible to fix it properly.

@toksportwrt @MotorsportSkoda @OfficialWRC


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E3DbMhJWEAUPvLZ?format=jpg&name=900x900

[Tom K]

Kajto stayed on stage, near finish, after last split.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

WRC3 Leader Kajto:
Unfortunately, right ahead of the finish line on Friday’s final stage the car of Kajto & Maciek slid off the road. Despite the lack of damage, it was not possible to push the car back on the road and continue...

[mknight]

Neuville: "2 punctures WITHOUT HITTING anything" :)

Just like FX said two weeks ago in the interview... rally drivers never hit anything.


To make M-Sport day 100% failure, Greensmith stopped (assumed gearbox).

Prokop (the 4th and last MSport car) also had some issues on the last stage but as the only one of the 4 actually managed to finish the first leg.

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Ogier is extremely impressive so far. If we add rain on top on Sunday he might even fight for win.

[dimviii]

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[dimviii]

Just like FX said two weeks ago in the interview... rally drivers never hit anything.


some of them they roll without knowing the reason.

“It was a left-hand corner just after the start,” Mikkelsen explained.

“I cut the corner like first pass but then suddenly the car went to the right just in the cut, so I’m not sure if I hit something.

“I didn’t feel anything in the steering wheel so I was sure that something snapped but then we rolled, and it looked like when the car was actually upside down so we rolled it back and we continued driving. But in the end the rollcage has the damage and we’re forced to retire because of that.”

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/mikkelsen-explains-bizarre-italy-retirement/

[dimviii]

"We can divide this day in two. In the morning, I couldn't find the rhythm and the confidence. I didn't feel comfortable to attack. Then there was the afternoon which could have been spent clearly Better. We were slowed down by two punctures and we had once again a problem with the engine. The engine stalls suddenly, that happens to us quite often. I was lucky to be able to start again quite quickly, but it still costs us a few precious seconds ... and therefore a position on the road for Saturday ", enumerates the Belgian at our microphone.

"It's frustrating! Without that, we could have come within 10 seconds of Ogier's 3rd place. We had the best intermediate times before the puncture. It was a slow puncture, we drove a long time on the road. rim. I had to slow down at the end because the rim was starting to break. I lost the brakes, it was a hassle the last two kilometers. We have been talking about tires for many rallies this season, "he continues.

Before concluding on a positive note: "Apart from the first two stages, the performance is there. We were as fast or faster than the Toyotas in front of us. It looks difficult, but we still believe in the podium. You have to see the scenario. The drivers in front of us had no problems. We hope that luck will change sides and that it will run better for us. "

https://www.rtbf.be/sport/moteurs/rallye/wrc/detail_wrc-sardaigne-thierry-neuville-c-est-frustrant-on-espere-que-la-chance-va-changer-de-camp?id=10776412

[dimviii]

“I think pressure is part of this job, so if you can’t deal with it then that’s not our problem,” he said.

“It’s down to somebody else’s problem to solve it himself, we can’t do everything for them. We give the drivers the best car we can and the best team we can and the rest is down to them.”

Describing the incident, Suninen said: “Under braking I pulled the handbrake and stalled the engine, and then I didn’t have the engine to pull through the corner and just slide off.”

While it was undoubtedly a driver error, Suninen pointed to the fact he had no competitive experience of Pirelli’s gravel tires on the World Rally Car prior to SS1 and the fact his last gravel rally in the car was this same event last year as to reasons how this could have gone wrong.

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/the-fraught-friday-millener-knows-m-sport-is-better-than/

[Tauri_J]

After the last stage Ott was talking tyres not suspension. Confirmed by Estonian media.

[dimviii]

After the last stage Ott was talking tyres not suspension. Confirmed by Estonian media.

Tänak won five of the day’s eight stages but there was some sort of problem on SS8 as a vibration could be heard as he drove from the finish boards to the time control.

The 2019 World Rally Champion hopped out at the end of the stage to assess his Hyundai i20 Coupe WRC.

“It’s nothing new,” he said. “It was the same in Portugal and that’s why we need to be very focused for tomorrow as well.

“I had it since the beginning and have just been coasting through, I’m glad I got here.”

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/tanak-takes-control-on-the-first-day-of-rally-italy/

[mknight]

some of them they roll without knowing the reason.

“It was a left-hand corner just after the start,” Mikkelsen explained.

“I cut the corner like first pass but then suddenly the car went to the right just in the cut, so I’m not sure if I hit something.

“I didn’t feel anything in the steering wheel so I was sure that something snapped but then we rolled, and it looked like when the car was actually upside down so we rolled it back and we continued driving. But in the end the rollcage has the damage and we’re forced to retire because of that.”

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/mikkelsen-explains-bizarre-italy-retirement/

I looked on the onboard, there is no obvious difference in how he drives it in first and second pass. Doesn't mean the road didn't change slightly or different suspension settings affected how the car reacted.

You know some people loose a wheel without a reason as well (in Portugal) ;)

[mknight]

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/the-fraught-friday-millener-knows-m-sport-is-better-than/

Millener on Suninen starts:


"We’re old enough and wise enough to not make snap decisions,” he said. “We need to think about it but it certainly hasn’t helped.


Adamo is the opposite.... make snap decision immediately (Solberg to Arctic after Monte this year, Loeb out last year after Monte etc etc...). So Adamo is not wise enough or not old enough.

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Anyway as they point out Suninen never drove the tires on gravel and never even tested them (on pre-Portugal test he drove Rally2) and didn't get test before rally. When MSport is using so much money/effort on it wouldn't it be a good investment to give him half a day or a day of testing?

[EstWRC]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8qUUxOj9CU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNvBkh99tQM

[EstWRC]

By his own admission, he’s driving somebody else’s car right now. The i20 is, understandably, seen as a Neuville car.

“The [Ford] Fiesta, I work myself since the beginning and we worked the other one (Toyota Yaris WRC) out as well,” said Tänak.

“It depends how the car is first meant to be driven and sometimes these things are not easy to change.

“If you want to find the speed to dominate then you can’t just do this with adjusting your driving style. If you want to dominate, the car needs to work for you and you need to be free to drive as you wish and as your instinct works.”


https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/how-italy-shows-the-instinctive-driving-tanaks-tunnelling-for/

[Fredouye]

I slept in SS 10-12, lot of rain last night, but no mud.

[dimviii]

Αdamo massage Neuville
https://twitter.com/thierryneuville/status/1401048456639172608

[EstWRC]

Good morning guys


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E3GLuC-WUAEdFg6?format=jpg&name=small

[meh]

Evans have proper start... 4.1 up on Neuville in split2

[EstWRC]

the stage profile should suit Toyota more IMO

[TypeR]

nice attack from Evans!

[meh]

ououou, Tänak 3.2 up in split 1. I'm a bit scared now. Works like espresso btw.

[EstWRC]

Calm down Ott

[EstWRC]

Sordos car stalled after watersplash

[dimviii]

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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E3GXP1zUcAEAZqh?format=jpg&name=900x900

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E3GXRYMXoAcgnf-?format=jpg&name=large

[EstWRC]

Thierry 2 secs up on Evans in spl1

[Rallyper]

Morning.

Ouschh. Katsuta just hit somth very bad. Seems going on.

[dupanton]

Interesting comment from Neuville: he is using dampers developed for Safari, but he's not feeling comfortable with them.

[EstWRC]

Sordo +3.3 to Ogier in spl2

the Toyotas are really good on the second part of the stage here

[TypeR]

not sure if Adamo approves Neuville's comment about using damper meant for Kenya and them not working..

[EstWRC]

and Ogier is past Sordo

[krissucool]

Sordo not even putting up a fight.

[EstWRC]

finally non Hyundai stage win

[jonkka]

Sordo not even putting up a fight.

Hyundai is in delicate position. Toyota has outscored them and now is their chance to claw some points back. But if Sordo goes off, it's Evans behind him ready to exploit that and Neuville doesn't seem to be able to do anything but complain how difficult things are. So from Hyundai's perspective, it's better to maintain current positions and have slight advantage pointswise than to risk a lot and potentially lose a lot. Anyway, Sordo vs Ogier is somewhat risky proposition, if you ask me.

[meh]

I think Sordo is a bit Friday hero - using road position advantages. When road position is equal to others, he will not match times anymore. If to take in account he's seat-time compared to others, I think it's quite normal.

[krissucool]

Hyundai is in delicate position. Toyota has outscored them and now is their chance to claw some points back. But if Sordo goes off, it's Evans behind him ready to exploit that and Neuville doesn't seem to be able to do anything but complain how difficult things are. So from Hyundai's perspective, it's better to maintain current positions and have slight advantage pointswise than to risk a lot and potentially lose a lot. Anyway, Sordo vs Ogier is somewhat risky proposition, if you ask me.

Well, at this pace Evans will catch him as well.

[jonkka]

Well, at this pace Evans will catch him as well.

Too early to tell, it's been just two stages with the watersplash incident included. Sordo vs Evans is much more even fight and difference is still 23.9 secs or so - but that is a possibility, yes.

[Ds3]

Even Neuville will skip Sordo it today, in my opinion ...

[EstWRC]

Suninen 17 secs faster than in the morning

[TypeR]

Loubet should go back to R5 for some rallies..

[EstWRC]

no picture?

[rp]

no picture?

No!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

WRC - FIA World Rally Championship
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[EstWRC]

Gus with problems again

[Essaj]

Gus in trouble

[Rallyper]

All Live back, but at my place no sound...

[haris274]

All live back but no sound also!

[Tom K]

Nice harbour :D

[satnav]

Tanak stopped in stage

[EstWRC]

i cant believe this....

[Rallyper]

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!

[Portimao]

Title gone for Tanak

[Rallyper]

Giving it all away. Whole Huyndai team should be sad.

[Timmy]

no sound but did it seem like to you like he was going slow and then boom - like rear suspension failed or something?

[EstWRC]

nothing he could do there

cant believe his luck

[TypeR]

lol, little piece of shit car

[Rallyper]

So now full charging from Sordo and Neuville. Nothing else matters...

[AnttiL]

And now Ogier leads...first on the road on Friday

Unbelievable for Ott. He truly managed to turn the i20 into Yaris. Fast but unreliable.

[Timmy]

After the last few weekends I feel like I could just skip watching the rallies and instead watch ISIS beheading videos.
I could get the same emotion just more quickly.

[Lord_Shaitan]

Shoot just before braking the suspension.

[EstWRC]

Ogier hit the same stone?

Said he had two big moments and also hit a stone quite hard

[rp]

It´s always pure luck! Also Ogier hit the rock (maybe the same), but of course nothing happened for him. Maybe Toyota must be stronger nowadays...

[haris274]

I'm not imagine what is going to happened in Acropolis Rally with this kind of suspension & tires issues in Sardinia!

[EstWRC]

even Meeke saying Hyundai has to do something

[AnttiL]

I'm not imagine what is going to happened in Acropolis Rally with this kind of suspension & tires issues in Sardinia!

And Safari

[Eli]

Unlike last season which was heavily affected by the Covid-19 situation, this year we're starting to feel the impact of having one less manufacturer. To be fair, even if Citroën wouldn't have left at the end of 2019 they still only planned to do one more season, but the lack of another manufacturer is really showing itself with all these retirements and having only a 5 top consisting of WRC cars. I really hope we'll get another manufacturer real soon.

[Francis44]

Unlike last season which was heavily affected by the Covid-19 situation, this year we're starting to feel the impact of having one less manufacturer. To be fair, even if Citroën wouldn't have left at the end of 2019 they still only planned to do one more season, but the lack of another manufacturer is really showing itself with all these retirements and having only a 5 top consisting of WRC cars. I really hope we'll get another manufacturer real soon.

Something has to be said about Hyundai aswell, after 4 years with this car they haven't been able to build a strong enough package, we are being deprived of an awesome championship battle because of that.

[Eli]

Something has to be said about Hyundai as well, after 4 years with this car they haven't been able to build a strong enough package, we are being deprived of an awesome championship battle because of that.

Of course, not taking anything away from it, something isn't right with that car; I'm just looking at it from the overall grand scheme of things, it was more interesting when you had each title contender in a different machine, unlike now where you have 2 on each side while M-Sport are (doing their best) fighting hard just to stay in the game.

[wyler]

Something has to be said about Hyundai aswell, after 4 years with this car they haven't been able to build a strong enough package, we are being deprived of an awesome championship battle because of that.

not so sure of this...

tanak+toyota=car unreliable
tanak+hiunday=car unreliable

just unluck?

[Lord_Shaitan]

From Ogier:
"Rough stage! We had two big moments. There were big stones on the line that I couldn't avoid. Luckily I wasn't flat out at that moment and I tried to lift the car, but still we had a very big hit on the front."

[denkimi]

not so sure of this...

tanak+toyota=car unreliable
tanak+hiunday=car unreliable

just unluck?
no. certain drivers just don't know when to back off. you can give them a tank and they would still manage to break it.

[cali]

not so sure of this...

tanak+toyota=car unreliable
tanak+hiunday=car unreliable

just unluck?I was thinking the same.
IMHO 2 reasons;

- how he sets the car to be fast
- doesn't back off when needed

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[Francis44]

not so sure of this...

tanak+toyota=car unreliable
tanak+hiunday=car unreliable

just unluck?

True to some point, but the I20 reliability and rigidity as been a problem for Neuville aswell long before Tanak started driving for them.

[EstWRC]

no. certain drivers just don't know when to back off. you can give them a tank and they would still manage to break it.

he was 2 secs slower than Ogier in first split....

[Ds3]

Adamo only brings turmoil and tension to the team, unfortunately. Adamo only wants victory victory, but this does not happen, you have to be human from time to time.

[er88]

Adamo only brings turmoil and tension to the team, unfortunately. Adamo only wants victory victory, but this does not happen, you have to be human from time to time.Adamo brings manufacturers titles.

Let's see if that continues this season though....

[denkimi]

he was 2 secs slower than Ogier in first split....
So?
One can be faster and still avoid problems.

2 weeks ago in Portugal i witnessed how everyone swerved to avoid a big stone in the line. Untill evans came along, he just kept to his line and went straight over it. It could have ripped his wheel clear off.
Yet he was slower than rovanpera and katsuta who went around.

It just so that certain drivers don't respect their material, while others do.

[KKS]

and front suspension got a bigger impact from a rock but rear suspension was wrecked. This rear of Hyundai seems so fragile

[KKS]

So?
One can be faster and still avoid problems.

2 weeks ago in Portugal i witnessed how everyone swerved to avoid a big stone in the line. Untill evans came along, he just kept to his line and went straight over it. It could have ripped his wheel clear off.
Yet he was slower than rovanpera and katsuta who went around.

It just so that certain drivers don't respect their material, while others do.
Yep, seems Ott can't play a long game. 40 sec of lead and trying to push a stage not cleaver for me. He got enough of speed to be fast and safe out of troubles

[krissucool]

I was thinking the same.
IMHO 2 reasons;

- how he sets the car to be fast
- doesn't back off when needed

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It has to be how he sets the car up. No other explanation I can think of why his cars always have weird reliability issues.

Tänak has managed to retire or lose about the same amount of rallies from the lead as how much he has won.

Think about that in proportion to how much times it has happened to Ogier? Nobody is this Lucky/Unlucky

[TypeR]

Yep, seems Ott can't play a long game. 40 sec of lead and trying to push a stage not cleaver for me. He got enough of speed to be fast and safe out of troubles

yes.. he should have driven with Loubet' pace and used a blinker to go around the stones.. Tänak's push is something like Portugal's PS, not today's stages.. that's his more or less normal speed.

[cali]

It has to be how he sets the car up. No other explanation I can think of why his cars always have weird reliability issues.

Tänak has managed to retire or lose about the same amount of rallies from the lead as how much he has won.

Think about that in proportion to how much times it has happened to Ogier? Nobody is this Lucky/UnluckyOgier has no luck, it's pure skill and he's helluva clever guy

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[EstWRC]

Yep, seems Ott can't play a long game. 40 sec of lead and trying to push a stage not cleaver for me. He got enough of speed to be fast and safe out of troubles

how come he was pushing for FFS?

i would agree if he was fastest in splits but he wasnt. Already in the morning after SS10 he said this: "In this one I was already easing up and trying to be in a good rhythm, but as smoothly as possible."

what should have he done then? drove every stage 10 secs slower than Ogier?

There was a stone on the line which he couldnt avoid and i dont get it what this has to do with respecting the materials and other BS.

[USER47]

There was a stone on the line which he couldnt avoid and i dont get it what this has to do with respecting the materials and other BS.
Explaining his retirements by bad luck is making less sense with every rally. Tanak has been having crapton of retirements and technical issues, caused supposedly by bad luck and unreliable machinery, in every team he's been in. Meanwhile Ogier has won 7 championship titles with 3 different cars. It's really hard to imagine this trend wouldn't have anything to do with the driver.

[KKS]

how come he was pushing for FFS?

i would agree if he was fastest in splits but he wasnt. Already in the morning after SS10 he said this: "In this one I was already easing up and trying to be in a good rhythm, but as smoothly as possible."

what should have he done then? drove every stage 10 secs slower than Ogier?

There was a stone on the line which he couldnt avoid and i dont get it what this has to do with respecting the materials and other BS.
Did you see Ott onboards from yesterday? He cutting corners aggressively, this is was kind a push. And it was not relative to stagetimes sometimes. Mads can do the same and lost over a 1min cuz it's WRC2 car.
If you play smart and guessing that it maybe could be unavoidable stone on a line - u can't drive like in Finland from one edge to other. It's rocky road and you must wait for surprises

[EstWRC]

so let be clear then

you guys say he could have avoided the stone, do i get it right?

[KKS]

Meanwhile Ogier has won 7 championship titles with 3 different cars. It's really hard to imagine this trend wouldn't have anything to do with the driver.
Being slower that Ott...
Championship it's a long game, rally - it's still long game. And you can control the gap having 40sec in a pocket... Ott push and retire and got 0 for now... Ogier didn't push and wait... 18pts? OK... Tanak retired - and doing nothing got already 25pts. Seems Ott can't play long...

[KKS]

so let be clear then

you guys say he could have avoided the stone, do i get it right?
avoid - don't know
get less damage from unavoidable stone - yes

[EstWRC]

Being slower that Ott...
Championship it's a long game, rally - it's still long game. And you can control the gap having 40sec in a pocket... Ott push and retire and got 0 for now... Ogier didn't push and wait... 18pts? OK... Tanak retired - and doing nothing got already 25pts. Seems Ott can't play long...

i just cant...

Ogier won that stage by 4 seconds and said also hit two stones and you say he wasnt pushing?

Tänak was 2 secs slower in first split but you say he was pushing?

double standards?

[Rallyper]

Did you see Ott onboards from yesterday? He cutting corners aggressively, this is was kind a push. And it was not relative to stagetimes sometimes. Mads can do the same and lost over a 1min cuz it's WRC2 car.
If you play smart and guessing that it maybe could be unavoidable stone on a line - u can't drive like in Finland from one edge to other. It's rocky road and you must wait for surprises

Did you see Ogier cutting yesterday? One meter out in the bushes off road in a corner? No one, saying, no one - was near of Ogiers line. So cutting isn´t the issue inthis case. And not many times either. It´s rather a question what´s been left on the road after the car ahead...

[USER47]

Maybe he's setting up the car too low or stiff, maybe the rock was avoidable, maybe he was going too fast, maybe the car was already a bit battered from before. None of us knows. But the long term trend is clear and while couple rallies could be explained by bad luck, the period of 5+ years, when the same thing is happening over and over, really cannot.

[KKS]

Did you see Ogier cutting yesterday? One meter out in the bushes off road in a corner? No one, saying, no one - was near of Ogiers line. So cutting isn´t the issue inthis case. And not many times either. It´s rather a question what´s been left on the road after the car ahead...
yep, it was massive and I think he know from prev.years that it possible or he recced that
PS I'm not Ogier fan but that man can avoid troubles

[krissucool]

Maybe he's setting up the car too low or stiff, maybe the rock was avoidable, maybe he was going too fast, maybe the car was already a bit battered from before. None of us knows. But the long term trend is clear and while couple rallies could be explained by bad luck, the period of 5+ years, when the same thing is happening over and over, really cannot.

I agree with this. Maybe this time there was nothing to do and the same thing would have happened to Ogier if he would have been at the same time in the same place.

But for some reason its almost always Tänak there.

[KKS]

i just cant...

Ogier won that stage by 4 seconds and said also hit two stones and you say he wasnt pushing?

Tänak was 2 secs slower in first split but you say he was pushing?

double standards?
pushing it's not always about time. I can pushing a stage taking too many risks and been 1min slower than Ott taking it easy.
Seems Ogier faster here in safe mode and Ott need to push to be on his level and still be "2sec slower on split"

[Rallyper]

Maybe he's setting up the car too low or stiff, maybe the rock was avoidable, maybe he was going too fast, maybe the car was already a bit battered from before. None of us knows. But the long term trend is clear and while couple rallies could be explained by bad luck, the period of 5+ years, when the same thing is happening over and over, really cannot.

So Tanak just: "Ok. Let´s set the car 5 mm lower, we can avoid stones anyway... and I´ll be fastest on every stage today also..." No way. You just speculate. I´d say this is rallying...

[USER47]

Obviously I speculate. That's what the word "maybe" means.

[TypeR]

Ostberg 6min late to TC and 1min penalty

[meh]

Ott have again some problems with car, "the same as in Portugal", and was happy to get through the stage.

Not some easy day to watch tomorrow...

Like expected...

[Rallyper]

Obviously I speculate. That's what the word "maybe" means.

Yes. Speculating. But didn´t want to add the word before...

[TypeR]

Mads beating Suninen and Rovanperä big time on this stage :D C3 r5 on the limit :D

[USER47]

I have no clue what you're on about. I think adding the word "maybe" 5 times in the post and then stating "none of us knows" should be clear enough indication of the speculation, but apparently not for everyone.

[Rallyper]

I have no clue what you're on about. I think adding the word "maybe" 5 times in the post and then stating "none of us knows" should be clear enough indication of the speculation, but apparently not for everyone.

But speculations without substance doesn´t contribute.

[USER47]

As opposed to whatever these posts of yours are. I was just highlighting the long term trend of the issues of Tanak, and how it cannot really be explained by bad luck only.

[cali]

Did you see Ott onboards from yesterday? He cutting corners aggressively, this is was kind a push. And it was not relative to stagetimes sometimes. Mads can do the same and lost over a 1min cuz it's WRC2 car.
If you play smart and guessing that it maybe could be unavoidable stone on a line - u can't drive like in Finland from one edge to other. It's rocky road and you must wait for surprisesSo was Ogier

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[Rallyper]

As opposed to whatever these posts of yours are. I was just highlighting the long term trend of the issues of Tanak, and how it cannot really be explained by bad luck only.

Well, that´s statistics which probably satisfies some guys. But this is rallying. And this time it´s clear what happened. No speculations needed.

[cali]

Did you see Ogier cutting yesterday? One meter out in the bushes off road in a corner? No one, saying, no one - was near of Ogiers line. So cutting isn´t the issue inthis case. And not many times either. It´s rather a question what´s been left on the road after the car ahead...Yes, I saw it as well. Others were meters away from his lines

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[Fast Eddie WRC]

Takak after SS11:
“It's a different job now, especially with the roughness. It's quite difficult with the tyres, so it needs a lot of a focus and fingers crossed.”

[Sulland]

Mads took back a big chunk of the minute on Huttunen, in just one stage.
Having the Rally1 tempo in your system, makes a big difference.

[meh]

Those really smart ones - put your contact info for team principals here, because they really need your knowledge. They clearly don't know what they are doing. And also for drivers, they clearly don't know how to drive or how to set up a car.

... or there are some actual reasons, why one is leading team, why one is driving a car and why one knows everything only in forums.

Breath. guys, breath.

[meh]

Stages 1 .. 9 won by Hyndais
Stages 10 .. 14 won by Toyotas

[Sulland]

Did you see Ogier cutting yesterday? One meter out in the bushes off road in a corner? No one, saying, no one - was near of Ogiers line. So cutting isn´t the issue inthis case. And not many times either. It´s rather a question what´s been left on the road after the car ahead...

To dare to do that kind of cutting you will habe to trample over there to check for stones etc. Do most drivers do that, or will gravel crews do that kind of detailed recce?

[wyler]

Well, that´s statistics which probably satisfies some guys. But this is rallying. And this time it´s clear what happened. No speculations needed.

true! no speculation needed. ott again hit something and broke the car. like the previous one and lots other. he's that kinda driver. and this is rallying.

btw, statistics tend to explain reality. title won by a driver or another one is also statistic.

[1988senna]

guys .what's the weather tomorrow? any possible for raining?

[EstWRC]

true! no speculation needed. ott again hit something and broke the car. like the previous one and lots other. he's that kinda driver. and this is rallying.

btw, statistics tend to explain reality. title won by a driver or another one is also statistic.

What previous ones? Examples please

Thank you

[TypeR]

can make an album of Hyundais' lost rear wheels..
https://www.upload.ee/thumb/13208778/196724753_4083188981749161_296552701129530035_n.jp g

[wyler]

What previous ones? Examples please

Thank you

Portugal.

[GRN]

true! no speculation needed. ott again hit something and broke the car. like the previous one and lots other. he's that kinda driver. and this is rallying.

btw, statistics tend to explain reality. title won by a driver or another one is also statistic.

Sorry for being emotional today, but what the fuck are you trying to express?

No speculation needed?

I always try to be humble and think that my knowledge and experience as a person in the scene for long-long time is no where near to understand or comment the actual level of competition in the top, to understand those small edges and specifics, but when someone comes and spits these kind of facts and statistic statements about someone then I just go nuts and say that you are a fucking moron.

"He's that kinda driver"... What a....

[TypeR]

Portugal.

and what exactly did he hit in Portugal?

[the sniper]

Neuville stalled on a slow corner, had looked pretty ragged while pushing earlier on in the stage.

[EstWRC]

Portugal.

If you don’t know shit then don’t comment.

He didn’t hit anything there.

[rp]

What happened today for Linnamäe ja Kaur?

[Essaj]

Sordo rolled

[Essaj]

can make an album of Hyundais' lost rear wheels..
https://www.upload.ee/thumb/13208778/196724753_4083188981749161_296552701129530035_n.jp g

You can add Sordo on that list :D

[the sniper]

Dani Sordo out! Just clipped something on the rear and tipped the car on its side! Another Hyundai rear gone!

[cosmin_sb]

disaster for Hyundai...Sordo rolled

[Rallyper]

Those really smart ones - put your contact info for team principals here, because they really need your knowledge. They clearly don't know what they are doing. And also for drivers, they clearly don't know how to drive or how to set up a car.

... or there are some actual reasons, why one is leading team, why one is driving a car and why one knows everything only in forums.

Breath. guys, breath.

i do agree. No room for speculations.

I´d also say forums is a room for discussion. Not for giving advices to teamprincipals if you thought so.

[er88]

Smuggle Dani out of Sardinia before Adamo gets a hold of him....

[EstWRC]

Nightmare event for Hyundai

[TypeR]

Sordo pushing too hard.. such kind of a driver..

[the sniper]

If I brought a Hyundai, I think I'd have to attach a tyre to the rear bumper just to make it look like the WRCar.

[Ds3]

Adamo is guilty, he's driving his pilots crazy. This is what happens when you are a psycho with your pilots. Get rid of Adamo and things will work out.

[jonkka]

Wow... If Ogier and Evans can hold it together until the end, this will third Toyota 1-2 this season - out of five rallies...

[Eli]

So no we're down to just 4 cars with Katsuta being far off the top 3...I really really really hope another manufacturer will join us in 2023, but that's a discussion for another time (& a different thread). Shame for Sordo, would've liked to see him on the podium again. I know it's only round 5 but the way things are going, Hyundai will need a miracle by this point to get back their title.

[TWRC]

Slowly but steadily Hyundai might be preparing to write off this year and concentrate on next years' car development?

[Rallyper]

Soon we´ll have Suninen on podium... :) :)

[rallyfiend]

So no we're down to just 4 cars with Katsuta being far off the top 3...I really really really hope another manufacturer will join us in 2023, but that's a discussion for another time (& a different thread). Shame for Sordo, would've liked to see him on the podium again. I know it's only round 5 but the way things are going, Hyundai will need a miracle by this point to get back their title.

4?

Isn't there 6 P1 still running?

[EstWRC]

This rally decided a lot in both championships

[TWRC]

Meanwhile Ostberg has almost caught up to Huttunen.

[TypeR]

https://www.upload.ee/image/13208907/thumbnail_IMG_20210605_192801.jpg

[Rallyper]

I´d like the heli to take a close look at the place where he hit the wheel...

Again, it looked like he just followed the line. There were marks from other cars which he followed...

[BigWorm]

Really awkward interview with Adamo there I thought. Poor guy, media loves to jump at him as soon things go wrong because he's known for his temper.

[Rallyper]

Really awkward interview with Adamo there I thought. Poor guy, media loves to jump at him as soon things go wrong because he's known for his temper.

Although I think Adamo handled it well...

[BigWorm]

Although I think Adamo handled it well...

Absolutely. Think Julian Porter was expecting more drama, he seemed surprised of Adamo's calm reaction

[steve.mandzij]

A Rally2 car in the top 5 is just embarrassing for the championship, at this stage. I don't think the new Rally1 cars will have been such a great idea after all.

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[Rallyper]

No answer to resent post.

We know Huttunen and Ostberg are fast. But what about Marco Bulacia? He´s done very good for a long time and have a stunning development curve.

[Rallyper]

Now over and out for today. Have to be polite to my wife... It´s Saturday after all... ;)

[Eli]

4?

Isn't there 6 P1 still running?

Yes but only 4 of them haven't gone into Super-Rally.

[Eli]

Really awkward interview with Adamo there I thought. Poor guy, media loves to jump at him as soon things go wrong because he's known for his temper.

That's sugar-coating it, they need to work on their questions, and honestly if you haven't got anything to ask (which honestly they didn't) and you're trying to get a reaction for the sake of the reaction or drama, just leave that person alone. I saw in his reaction, he was holding himself from saying anything offensive to them, although he did say and I quote:'I'm sure you did better questions in your life' . They need to work on their commentary in-between and during stages but that's off topic and for the WRC+ thread.

[meh]

That's sugar-coating it, they need to work on their questions, and honestly if you haven't got anything to ask (which honestly they didn't) and you're trying to get a reaction for the sake of the reaction or drama, just leave that person alone. I saw in his reaction, he was holding himself from saying anything offensive to them, although he did say and I quote:'I'm sure you did better questions in your life' . They need to work on their commentary in-between and during stages but that's off topic and for the WRC+ thread.

I agree. If there is validation "do you have anything to share?" and if the answer is no, then it's enough to say to the audience that they don't have or don't want to share any information. Making those "we have seen everything like you have seen in All-Live" is a bit waste of time. But it's question of taste, some may like it.

[meh]

How it is going with pickems? Anyone had Huttunen-Ostberg-Rossel-Lopez in their top8? :)

[mknight]

Was out on stages of a local rally whole day (and saw Henning Solberg who btw. was the first guy to run to help when a Polo R5 rolled). Was only following results and watched just some vids now.


Ogier is just amazing, even without Tanak's retirement he would have ended 2nd on a sweeping rally from first on the road. That's almost VW-like dominance.

Tanak's list of retirements and issues is now so long that it certainly isn't just "bad luck". Whether it is due to how he develops the car, how he sets-up the car or how he drives it is hard to tell. Probably a bit of all. One thing that is clear to see is that both at Toyota and Hyundai he made the car "dive" and transfer weight with roll much more than before and much more than others did. Anyway I don't remember him having many issues in 2017 Fiesta which he also helped develop.
In either case the statistics are quite large now.. Similarly Neuville has a long list of retirements, but for him it's basically almost always clearly his fault.

Rare mistake from Sordo, can't even remember last time he crashed out that was clearly his fault, probably Spain 2017 and Germany 2017 or something like that.

Disappointment of the rally is Neuville though, was 2nd last year on a rally that usually suits Hyundai and is somewhat nowhere. Reminds a bit of his 2019 performance here.

In addition to these 3, Loubet's Hyundai broke like every second stage?
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Huttunen staying close to Østberg (with penalty) in a private-run I20 in basically his first rally of the year without any testing (afaik) is great. Likely won't be able to hold him off and wouldn't want to risk it, but nevertheless great. Especially compared with the Hyundai "factory" R5s results so far this season.

[petttu]

https://www.upload.ee/image/13208907/thumbnail_IMG_20210605_192801.jpg


For Thierry 2018 Australia,
Mikkelsen Monte 2018,
Loeb 2019 Portugal.

[skarderud]

How it is going with pickems? Anyone had Huttunen-Ostberg-Rossel-Lopez in their top8? :)I have ostberg at 8:)

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[skarderud]

Quite funny at the friday revue at wrc+, the reporter ask neuville why Hyundai is so strong at Sardinia, he answers "why are the others so weak her"
Oh, the irony....

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[AnttiL]

Rare mistake from Sordo, can't even remember last time he crashed out that was clearly his fault, probably Spain 2017 and Germany 2017 or something like that.



Monte 2018, Germany 2018. But long since last time on gravel

[EstWRC]

watched Ogiers and Sordos onboard, the stone is there, but more to the left and not on the line and hasnt been pulled out yet like it was for Ott

[Eli]

Monte 2018, Germany 2018. But long since last time on gravel

The last time was a long time ago, here actually, back in 2015:

https://www.ewrc-results.com/media/19124-rally-italia-sardegna-2015/360/

[mknight]

Monte 2018, Germany 2018. But long since last time on gravel

Maybe Portugal 2013?!! 8 years!

But I seem to recall some small off when he bent the steering or something on the front with current gen. car 2017/2018? But that just cost some time. Couldn't find it though.

Either way, very like long time ago indeed.

[mknight]

The last time was a long time ago, here actually, back in 2015:

https://www.ewrc-results.com/media/19124-rally-italia-sardegna-2015/360/
Thx, "ages" still.

[Eli]

Thx, "ages" still.

Exactly lol, ages, in most cases of outside of top 10 results his car lets him down before he does.

[AnttiL]

Nice looking stage, fast flowing, crests, tricky corners.

[TypeR]

will a r5 car be on podium? :D

[AnttiL]

Maybe Portugal 2013?!! 8 years!

But I seem to recall some small off when he bent the steering or something on the front with current gen. car 2017/2018? But that just cost some time. Couldn't find it though.


Yeah Argentina 2017 I think. But it wasn't a real off. Also he had a minor off in Finland 2017, dipped the rear in a ditch in Päijälä in a corner where dozens of cars crash every year.

[TypeR]

Evans doesn't sleep either, 1s faster than Neuville on SPL1
5.9s faster on SPL2. Evans again making it clear on Sunday's first stage

11s @ finish, 33.7 lead over Neuville now.

[mknight]

Good that we get to see the only real fight there is... The WRC2 lead with 1,5s...

[rp]

Not showing WRC2 at all! Great job by WRC+

[AnttiL]

They always have to prepare half an hour in advance for tv stages.

It’s always the same and always people complain like it never happened before

[mknight]

When something.is bad and stays bad surely it should just not be accepted.

[Tauri_J]

When something.is bad and stays bad surely it should just not be accepted.

Have they ever listened us?

[rp]

It’s always the same and always people complain like it never happened before

We are paying for the service. Does it need to be like always before?

[tc10a]

I am already missing the legendary Sassari Powerstage - no comparison to new powerstage in spectacle, landscape, atmosphere.

[erikli2]

That C3 R5 hasn't completed many stages without issues..

Edit: puncture, poor Mads

[Essaj]

Mads slightly angry :eek:

[mknight]

Not impressed by the "expert commentators" unable to see a clear puncture with details cameras views to it..

[skarderud]

This "TBT willage team" is it paid by Citröen to run theire rallyefforts?
Seems they are not at the right level.

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[dupanton]

This "TBT willage team" is it paid by Citröen to run theire rallyefforts?
Seems they are not at the right level.

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How is a puncture the fault of the team??
I think Mads should watch his words a bit more :p

[dupanton]

Bulacia rolled the car, finished 0.4s off the scratch and than gives the calmest interview ever :p

[meh]

and WRC+ is out of service again...

[TypeR]

got to love Mads.. that game from the bottom of his heart :)

[mknight]

This "TBT willage team" is it paid by Citröen to run theire rallyefforts?
Seems they are not at the right level.

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It's Citroen in terms of car development, he has the highest level of development in Rally2 besides Hyundai. (fresh development parts between Portugal and Sardinia..not even WRC teams did that, "test rally" in Hungary before Croatia and then new dampers developed for Croatia after...).

But Hyundai are busy making new car and Huttunen is ran by completely private team here.

"Daily running"/mechanics of the team is something else though. No idea about the level.

[mknight]

Bulacia rolled the car, finished 0.4s off the scratch and than gives the calmest interview ever :p

Don't play poker with the man!

[EstWRC]

http://www.rallifoorum.ee/foorum/download/file.php?id=715

[KKS]

Mads have another problem beside puncture for sure... too slow pace as for just puncture. Ogier did "a normal stage" with that kind of punctures in a past

[skarderud]

How is a puncture the fault of the team??
I think Mads should watch his words a bit more :pMaybe the last one wasn't theire fault, but brakepads, skidplates, brakehoses, hubs etc, its been lots of this small shit-things this season.

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[KKS]

17sec to go for Mads... he cut 7.9sec on prev. stage to Huttunen and now Lopez cut 7.1sec on this stage = 15sec . So it's doable gap. It will be quite a run for next two stages for Mads... Fight goes on!

[meh]

Mads kept it nicely after the finish line and nursed car nicely. I think a lot of drivers are holding this kind of reactions back and maybe it should not be streamed then - but this IS rally. He made hard work to fight back previous loss, reached that goal and it all was taken away again with puncture. He let the emotions out, maybe should just skip the stage end interview part but personally I don't mind - if stage end interview is meant to get pure emotion and reaction, you got it. If you don't like it, don't go and ask or watch. Simple as that.

And Bulacia's interviews are like high-school esseys, with the same structure and organized. Some calm description + "Thank you" at the end. Nice own style :)

[mknight]

Will it start to rain for some late drama?

[EstWRC]

High five for Mads finally being the first driver to have the balls to say it loud about pirelli.

[mknight]

Maybe the last one wasn't theire fault, but brakepads, skidplates, brakehoses, hubs etc, its been lots of this small shit-things this season.

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With Mads it's like this with almost every team. (C3, Fiesta in Prokops team before that...).

But I am not so sure there actually are more issues or whether it's that he is open about them. For example Ogier doesn't even mention he just crashed into a civilian car and ran from police (Croatia Sunday first SS).

He has some hope to catch up, especially if it starts to rain. Question is if he will risk it and also if he took 6 tires or 5 today.

[mknight]

High five for Mads finally being the first driver to have the balls to say it loud about pirelli.

The Rally2 tires are not the same as WRC ones and have been used for a few years.

[TypeR]

The Rally2 tires are not the same as WRC ones and have been used for a few years.

But since this season everybody must drive w Pirellis..

[Lead]

Mads kept it nicely after the finish line and nursed car nicely. I think a lot of drivers are holding this kind of reactions back and maybe it should not be streamed then - but this IS rally. He made hard work to fight back previous loss, reached that goal and it all was taken away again with puncture. He let the emotions out, maybe should just skip the stage end interview part but personally I don't mind - if stage end interview is meant to get pure emotion and reaction, you got it. If you don't like it, don't go and ask or watch. Simple as that.

And Bulacia's interviews are like high-school esseys, with the same structure and organized. Some calm description + "Thank you" at the end. Nice own style :)

I missed the interview, what exactly happened?

[pantealex]

But since this season everybody must drive w Pirellis..

Yep, Mads was Michelin user last year. Many others have way more experience with Pirelli.

[Myrvold]

They always have to prepare half an hour in advance for tv stages.


Which is understandable the times where there has been 12-13 WRC cars. Now there are 9. Doesn't make completely sense.

[dupanton]

The tyre saving on Sunday is getting silly...

[Rallyper]

I missed the interview, what exactly happened?

He said f-word about a thousand times...

[Rallyper]

The tyre saving on Sunday is getting silly...

Yeah. Something has to be done to Sunday stages competition. However it could be the other way around if the time difference would have been only seconds.
But what to change?

[EstWRC]

I missed the interview, what exactly happened?

https://twitter.com/RallySolo/status/1401437739703230465?s=20

[AnttiL]

Yep, Mads was Michelin user last year. Many others have way more experience with Pirelli.

I think Torstein's overalls still have the Michelin man.

[AnttiL]

Which is understandable the times where there has been 12-13 WRC cars. Now there are 9. Doesn't make completely sense.

Number of cars doesn't matter. They need a certain amount of time to prepare the equipment before broadcasting to a number of television companies around the world and that takes a fixed amount of time.

Of course, they could imply a rule that there is no special stages one hour before a live TV stage so we don't have to cut anything. But that would just mean less stages in a rally.

[AnttiL]

OK, Now I don't understand why they cut it short when there is so long before the power stage

[KKS]

Huttunen already got a mistake or something. PS would be hot :)

[mknight]

Great drive by Østberg, but Fourmaux isn't that much slower on splits. Huttunen taking it way too easy?

[mknight]

Yep, Mads was Michelin user last year. Many others have way more experience with Pirelli.

More importantly he was actually paid by Michelin last year.

[TWRC]

This "TBT willage team" is it paid by Citröen to run theire rallyefforts?
Seems they are not at the right level.

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TRT has been a Peugeot/Citroën support/partner team for about 15 years now, starting in 2007 with the 207 S2000. They debuted the 208 T16 in the WRC in 2014, here, in Sardinia with Kruuda. They are well prepared, have tons of experience, they are also one of the 2/3 teams that are entrusted by PSA to build the new 208 Rally4s. Also, this year they already had 2 engine problems with the new Rally2 engine - Ostberg had to retire once, next time he was able to nurse it to the finish. So maybe the new C3 parts are to blame for some of these issues, not necessarily the team.

[Tom K]

SS19 stopped. Probably Georg Linnamea off.

[Mise]

Great drive by Østberg, but Fourmaux isn't that much slower on splits. Huttunen taking it way too easy?

Huttunen has 6 hards, Ostberg has 5 softs according to WRC+.
Maybe not taking easy as much. More like playing it safe which seemed to be a wise decision.

[mknight]

Huttunen has 6 hards, Ostberg has 5 softs according to WRC+.
Maybe not taking easy as much. More like playing it safe which seemed to be a wise decision.

Thx for tire info. If Østberg had 5 tires and only has 4 now after puncture that's quite a risk to take.

[Rallyper]

Has this sight been hacked or something. When pushing the like button there´s an advertise coming up...

[mousti]

Yes quite hard on a fast section..https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210606/72ec4c9bbef5b3cc64231a9480442d79.jpg

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[mknight]

Rain started. Maybe we get Rally2 stage win?

[mknight]

Wow to Huttunen to hards. Amazing rally after the non-existing start of season.

[Got Mail]

Bulacia rolled the car, finished 0.4s off the scratch and than gives the calmest interview ever :p

He's been really impressive this weekend. Times improving every stage. Super calm and controlled. And only 20.

[Mirek]

Puncture for Katsuta or some other issue on LF I think.

[Lead]

Puncture Katsuta?

EDIT: Just cruising through.

[Essaj]

Porter speculating makes me want to punch my monitor

[Mirek]

Evans's engine stalled in the ford!

[Got Mail]

What happened to Ingram on SS19?

[Lead]

The master shows how its done... again.

[meh]

Reason for Ogier's slow 1st split - got also misfire after watersplash.

[krissucool]

The master shows how its done... again.

Every time Ogier leads the rally you are confident that he will get the win. Weird things can happen once in a blue moon but in general when Ogier is leading you know there wont be any trouble.

Master.

Cant say that for any other driver unfortunately. Him and Loeb absolute masters in finishing things off.