[WRC] Rallye Monte Carlo 2021

[sti123]

Honestly, you can not call that a tyre, can you?

To avoid interpretation and confusion, the rule should be written like this: 20.1.5 On a road section that is a public road and at the start of a stage, a competition car may only be
driven on four freely rotating wheels and inflated tyres. Any car not complying with this article will be considered as
retired as per WRC Art. 46. An additional penalty may be imposed by the stewards.

[dimviii]

Neuville breaths away from third place: "Knowing my boss, he will undoubtedly ask for more!"


"Everything went pretty well in SS10, we had a good pace in the car, and conditions were fairly stable throughout the special, explained Thierry Neuville at the microphone of WRC All Live. I felt a little more comfortable in the car. I tried to be efficient, to find grip and to drive clean. In one part of the stage, I felt that I had a little more grip , so I decided to push a little harder. But at the end of the special, I was quite surprised to see the times, especially after the result of SS9, where we had lost time. beat with the car, OK, but the loss of time was very important. It went much better in the next stage! From the start, our goal is to accumulate kilometers in the car with Martijn, to get used to to each other. We still have work to do, so we have to continue on this path. And Monte-Carlo is probably the best "school" that Ma could dream of. rtijn for a start! It will therefore be necessary to keep the car on the road, especially after the problems encountered by Ott. But knowing the temper of my boss, he will probably ask for more! "

https://www.rtbf.be/sport/moteurs/rallye/wrc/detail_neuville-a-un-souffle-de-la-troisieme-place-connaissant-mon-boss-il-va-sans-doute-en-demander-plus?id=10680780

[Mirek]

To avoid interpretation and confusion, the rule should be written like this: 20.1.5 On a road section that is a public road and at the start of a stage, a competition car may only be
driven on four freely rotating wheels and inflated tyres. Any car not complying with this article will be considered as
retired as per WRC Art. 46. An additional penalty may be imposed by the stewards.

There's no confusion. 1 cm strap of rubber is not a tyre.

The tyre doesn't need to be inflated. It can be flat but it has to be a tyre. The black round one piece of thing.

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EsaT6Z7XYAAuw72?format=jpg&name=small

[br21]

To avoid interpretation and confusion, the rule should be written like this: 20.1.5 On a road section that is a public road and at the start of a stage, a competition car may only be
driven on four freely rotating wheels and inflated tyres. Any car not complying with this article will be considered as
retired as per WRC Art. 46. An additional penalty may be imposed by the stewards.

It's not confusing for teams. It's quite clear. You need to have a tire. If you write "inflated" then 1bar is still inflated or not anymore? Then you have bigger room for interpretation...

[Mirek]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EsaT6Z7XYAAuw72?format=jpg&name=small

How many times got someone penalized for wrongly fastened HANS? I remember seeing dozens of cases but no penalty whatsoever. A genuine question.

[jonkka]

To avoid interpretation and confusion

That can never be avoided and that's why stewards exist, it is their job to interpret the letter and spirit of the rules in any given situation. Admittedly, rules could always be written in more specific and clear way and that is what's constantly happening.

[T16]

Sordo LHR bent?

[dimviii]

Toksport WRT
@toksportwrt
some times old school is the way to go!

The overnight storm might have damaged our service area but not the Team!

Toksport WRT is still leading the Rallye Monte-Carlo with Mikkelsen comfortably in Front plus a great P4 for Bulacia on his first Rallye Monte-Carlo!

#WRC2


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EsaXDYBXAAAt1xr?format=jpg&name=large

https://twitter.com/toksportwrt/status/1352934945203892226

[steve.mandzij]

unless dani had no more spare and really had to nurse it that was embarrassing

[TypeR]

unless dani had no more spare and really had to nurse it that was embarrassing

nothing to catch and Katsuta is 2.31 behind..

[Rallyper]

There's no confusion. 1 cm strap of rubber is not a tyre.

The tyre doesn't need to be inflated. It can be flat but it has to be a tyre. The black round one piece of thing.

So it´s confusing then. Some talking about as long as "there´s some kind of rubber..." when you talk about a whole round black thing. Two different sayings, right?

[Mirek]

So it´s confusing then. Some talking about as long as "there´s some kind of rubber..." when you talk about a whole round black thing. Two different sayings, right?

No because it's not about what someone is saying. The rules state "tyre" and they have been clearly interpretted by stewards for more than ten years. Every team and crew knows what that means.

[Lead]

Mikkelsen on cruising mode now.

[wyler]

So it´s confusing then. Some talking about as long as "there´s some kind of rubber..." when you talk about a whole round black thing. Two different sayings, right?

rubber doesn't mean tyre in any way. rubber is not enough. you have to have a tyre.

[AndyRAC]

I thought the rule was brought in to prevent driving on the public highway with an 'unroadworthy vehicle'......(As already noted; Loeb in Mexico, Makinen/Gronholm in GB, etc) Surely Ott should have been stopped before the road section?

[Rallyper]

No because it's not about what someone is saying. The rules state "tyre" and they have been clearly interpretted by stewards for more than ten years. Every team and crew knows what that means.

Alright. "As long as there´s rubber" isn´t enough and have never been the case anytime then? Fine for me.

[jonkka]

Surely Ott should have been stopped before the road section?

Surely, but by whom? Either by driver, by team or by police because organisers have no power to stop competitors in road sections, there normal civil road traffic rules apply.

[Mirek]

Gryazin changed wheel in the stage.

[sti123]

Same penalty to be expected for Ogier: https://twitter.com/HartusvuoriWRC/status/1352946007236112384/photo/1

[EstWRC]

ridiculous

[rp]

Same penalty to be expected for Ogier: https://twitter.com/HartusvuoriWRC/status/1352946007236112384/photo/1

What else could be? It´s in France area...

[Mirek]

Oliver Solberg likely wins a stage finally.

[wyler]

so maybe this first category scratch for oliver has come...

[Mirek]

What else could be? It´s in France area...

Have you ever seen anyone being penalized for wrongly attached HANS or helmet before? I don't remember any other case than fine and even that only in very small number of cases. It got mostly unnoticed.

[sti123]

Same penalty to be expected for Ogier: https://twitter.com/HartusvuoriWRC/status/1352946007236112384/photo/1

Yep: https://twitter.com/HartusvuoriWRC/status/1352949145192046598/photo/1

[dimviii]

Oliver Solberg likely wins a stage finally.

and 0,86 sec/km slower from Evans stage winner
yesterday Mikkelsen at his fastest stage was 0,77 sec/km from stage 6 winner Evans again

[wwbroe]

So, down to Monaco now, four stages remaining tomorrow. What are the weather predictions for those stages?

[chamelilaheri]

WRC Rallye Monte-Carlo 2021: Thierry Neuville (https://sportshq.xyz/Rallye-Monte-Carlo/)

[Lead]

Check out Neuville onboard from SS9 at 4:38 mark. He actually hit a pole, the speed was low, but his rally could easily ended there.

[wwbroe]

Check out Neuville onboard from SS9 at 4:38 mark. He actually hit a pole, the speed was low, but his rally could easily ended there.
It was low speed, but he hit the pole after all, so it could be game over.:)

[dimviii]

Elfyn Evans
@ElfynEvans
En route to Monaco
Flag of Monaco
, 180km to go... anyone got a few song suggestions? #EE33

[dimviii]

rigostyle day 3
https://youtu.be/UKuHMP5w-WM

[AnttiL]

I find that slightly ridiculous - he managed to get to service - but has to retire.....

Basically he broke the rules by driving on the road section on a broken tyre. If they allowed him to continue just because no one noticed, the rule would lose its effect in the future...

[mknight]

Good for Solberg. At this point and position pushing on some stages where it's not risky is a good idea and just about the only thing he can do.

But generally I think both him and Formaux were a bit over-excited for the snowy stages. Talking about them all week and then on first stage Solberg has a spin right after start and on first snow stage both him and Formaux puncture in first corner.

[bwallace]

carlos del bario shuold have same penalty https://i.ibb.co/4JDkR7v/carlos.png (https://ibb.co/4JDkR7v)

[Sulland]

But 3 stages on a full rallyday is not enough, even if the rally is called Monte Carlo.
should be a min number of ss km per day, or is it?

[EstWRC]

https://www.motorsport.com/wrc/news/tanak-retirement-monte-carlo-hyundai/5171472/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

Second year in a row a recce mistake from Tänak. But the one spare cost him here the rally IMO

[bwallace]

Can it be, that they somehow mixed del Barrio and Wydaeghe?

the information did not came to stewards ears i guess :D o just not posted yet

[AndyRAC]

Basically he broke the rules by driving on the road section on a broken tyre. If they allowed him to continue just because no one noticed, the rule would lose its effect in the future...

Yes we know; you don't have to correct everybody all the time. My comment was before seeing the 'tyre' or what was supposed to be a tyre.
However, it's a poorly implemented rule - as it's not stopping people from driving on any road section; which is the reason they brought it in - it doesn't look good to general public.

[Rallyper]

Good for Solberg. At this point and position pushing on some stages where it's not risky is a good idea and just about the only thing he can do.

But generally I think both him and Formaux were a bit over-excited for the snowy stages. Talking about them all week and then on first stage Solberg has a spin right after start and on first snow stage both him and Formaux puncture in first corner.

I think Oliver stalled the first thing.

[Rallyper]

https://www.motorsport.com/wrc/news/tanak-retirement-monte-carlo-hyundai/5171472/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

Second year in a row a recce mistake from Tänak. But the one spare cost him here the rally IMO

Learning that always (almost) bring two spares...

[AnttiL]

Learning that always (almost) bring two spares...

It’s always a gamble.

[AnttiL]

Yes we know; you don't have to correct everybody all the time. My comment was before seeing the 'tyre' or what was supposed to be a tyre.
However, it's a poorly implemented rule - as it's not stopping people from driving on any road section; which is the reason they brought it in - it doesn't look good to general public.

Who should stop them? Should Tänak be penalized for not stopping when the tyre turned into a plain rim?

[tommeke_B]

Oliver Solberg did the same in Hungary last year, no penalty whatsoever...

[Mirek]

Oliver Solberg did the same in Hungary last year, no penalty whatsoever...

The stewards pretended to be blind.

[Rallyper]

It’s always a gamble.

But more or less tricky conditions appear.

[EstWRC]

It’s always a gamble.

yeah it is but today, with conditions being really hard and the knowing that you cant continue tomorrow if the tyres go, they should have had 2 spares. i was surprised right away when i saw in the morning that they only have one

and in monza, where there was basically service after every stage, he carried two ones the whole rally

[AnttiL]

and in monza, where there was basically service after every stage, he carried two ones the whole rally

Yeah that was weird. Maybe he wanted to shift the weight balance of the car more to the back?

[Got Mail]

Yep: https://twitter.com/HartusvuoriWRC/status/1352949145192046598/photo/1

To my mind a fine is the wrong punishment.

There should be a one minute time penalty, otherwise, if he realises his mistake whilst in the stage, there is not enough incentive for the driver to stop and properly fasten his helmet.

[wyler]

yeah it is but today, with conditions being really hard and the knowing that you cant continue tomorrow if the tyres go, they should have had 2 spares. i was surprised right away when i saw in the morning that they only have one

and in monza, where there was basically service after every stage, he carried two ones the whole rally

I think everybody related too much on the old michelin habits assuming pirelli will work the same, but ended up differently. maybe it's just me, but i don't remember so much punture on snow previous years and after that loop everybody carried 2 spare.

[Co-driven]

Who should stop them? Should Tänak be penalized for not stopping when the tyre turned into a plain rim?

I know some situations in the past few years where the Technical Delegate or some other FIA member would wait in the road section for the driver driving on the rim and would stop them right away.

[EstWRC]

I think everybody related too much on the old michelin habits assuming pirelli will work the same, but ended up differently. maybe it's just me, but i don't remember so much punture on snow previous years and after that loop everybody carried 2 spare.

yeah could be, and somebody already mentioned here, it seems to come off the rim quite quickly compared to michelin

[satnav]

Yes, most cars with punctures were all on the rim at the end, I don't remember any cars with flat tyres , all the tyre had gone compared to Michelin when the tyre usually stayed on the rim.

[Tom K]

So, it's a hattrick. del Barrio also 400 Euro. Guigou 200 for balaclava outside the suit.

[pantealex]

So, it's a hattrick. del Barrio also 400 Euro. Guigou 200 for balaclava outside the suit.

+ co-driver of Neuville (W-man)

[doubled1978]

Yes we know; you don't have to correct everybody all the time. My comment was before seeing the 'tyre' or what was supposed to be a tyre.
However, it's a poorly implemented rule - as it's not stopping people from driving on any road section; which is the reason they brought it in - it doesn't look good to general public.

Personally I don’t like that we are losing cars from rallies simply because they don’t have a tyre to drive the road section back to service on. I know it’s rallying etc, but to my mind the time loss on the SS is enough, for Tanak to be out completely for this is ridiculous to me.

[PLuto]

Personally I don’t like that we are losing cars from rallies simply because they don’t have a tyre to drive the road section back to service on. I know it’s rallying etc, but to my mind the time loss on the SS is enough, for Tanak to be out completely for this is ridiculous to me.

Usually it was only about traffic rules and police, if they have stopped that cars or not. Later FIA added this rule to the regulations and started to punish for it.

[Mirek]

Usually it was only about traffic rules and police, if they have stopped that cars or not. Later FIA added this rule to the regulations and started to punish for it.

Which was a correct step. Before it lead to number of traffic craziness and potentially negative publicity among general public (Elena sitting in the window during a drive on the motorway for example) and it was also very selective who got away with it and who didn't. If you have two drivers doing the very same thing, let's say in Mexico, and one's name is Loeb and the other's is let's say Bulacia. Who has a higher chance that the police let him pass? Now they are even, at least in something.

[bisak]

It's completely absolutely totally ridiculous that Tanak won't be driving tomorrow because of this.
Tanak as a driver is safer on the road than a 90 y/o half blind person that would have been perfectly legal to drive, even if he was to drive on his brake rotors.
What I'm saying is that in current times where there aren't too many rallies, half of the calendar will be inevitably cancelled compromises should have been made. 400 euro fine for Ogier is nothing and his offence is totally health/life threatening compared to Tanaks.

Please use your brains and question decisions. Right now people are living in tirany because of blind obedience of whatever stupid rules. Now go on and hit me with "rules are rules".

[doubled1978]

Which was a correct step. Before it lead to number of traffic craziness and potentially negative publicity among general public (Elena sitting in the window during a drive on the motorway for example) and it was also very selective who got away with it and who didn't. If you have two drivers doing the very same thing, let's say in Mexico, and one's name is Loeb and the other's is let's say Bulacia. Who has a higher chance that the police let him pass? Now they are even, at least in something.

I wasn’t suggesting they should let the guys drive back on rims or anything as trust me in years gone by I’ve followed some completely unroadworthy cars back, but maybe there could be a mechanism where the last stage of a loop or leg could have a van with joker rims at the end so someone who would otherwise be stranded and out can get back to service. 1 joker per rally per driver.
Just a thought to keep guys in the event for what is an easily solved issue for almost no cost.

[Mirek]

I wasn’t suggesting they should let the guys drive back on rims or anything as trust me in years gone by I’ve followed some completely unroadworthy cars back, but maybe there could be a mechanism where the last stage of a loop or leg could have a van with joker rims at the end so someone who would otherwise be stranded and out can get back to service. 1 joker per rally per driver.
Just a thought to keep guys in the event for what is an easily solved issue for almost no cost.

Well, everyone knows the rules and everyone knows that there is no superally before the last leg of Monte Carlo. The reason for this situation is the decision to take only one spare. It was a calculated risk which didn't pay off. Such is life.

[TypeR]

FIA/WRC should delete that stupid Monte exception rule or whatever it is, that retiring on Saturday means no re-start on Sunday.
Yes, the reason is that there isn't enough room in Monaco or whatever..

At that point P1(and even P2) drivers must be able to continue on Sunday.. They are the ones that bring money and fans to rallying.

[mknight]

Which was a correct step. Before it lead to number of traffic craziness and potentially negative publicity among general public (Elena sitting in the window during a drive on the motorway for example) and it was also very selective who got away with it and who didn't. If you have two drivers doing the very same thing, let's say in Mexico, and one's name is Loeb and the other's is let's say Bulacia. Who has a higher chance that the police let him pass? Now they are even, at least in something.

Problem is that the purpose is partly lost when people who have more punctures than ok wheels try to drive on it anyway and first get disqualified in service. (Tanak here, that guy on Canarias, Solberg in Hungary).

Maybe FIA will try to ammend the rule to 4 inflated tires or even start checking/forcing it after stage ends.

[meh]

I was actuallt thinking, that maybe there some solution like just "put/clue/attach some layer of rubber on the rim" and nurse your car to service with that.

[Mirek]

Problem is that the purpose is partly lost when people who have more punctures than ok wheels try to drive on it anyway and first get disqualified in service. (Tanak here, that guy on Canarias, Solberg in Hungary).

No, because without the rule everyone did that not just one or two guys per event. Also they were naturally risking more with taking less spare tyres.

There is really nobody else to blame than Tänak himself here. He knew the rules and the risks, he took only one spare tyres and he picked two punctures. It's not some bad evil FIA who made a mistake here.


I was actuallt thinking, that maybe there some solution like just "put/clue/attach some layer of rubber on the rim" and nurse your car to service with that.

The rules has been around for like forever and plenty of drivers retired because of that. Why is there suddenly such fuzz when it happens to Tänak and not when it happened to countless others before?

[TypeR]

To me it doesn't matter if it was Tänak, Ogier, Evans, Neuville or anybody else.. One of the top drivers is out for possible PS points on Sunday because some Monte-Carlo gets to make some €xception to FIA regulations..

What about some special lightweight space saver spare that is mandatory to have in cars(for using on liaison only) + 1 or 2 proper spares to use on stages..?

[meh]

No, because without the rule everyone did that not just one or two guys per event. Also they were naturally risking more with taking less spare tyres.

There is really nobody else to blame than Tänak himself here. He knew the rules and the risks, he took only one spare tyres and he picked two punctures. It's not some bad evil FIA who made a mistake here.



The rules has been around for like forever and plenty of drivers retired because of that. Why is there suddenly such fuzz when it happens to Tänak and not when it happened to countless others before?

It's not suddenly. It's stupid to loose competitor from competition because car is not valid for "overhead part" of the competition. From my point of view they may carry those cars on another car from one stage end to another stage start or service. It's more question - at the moment driving on public roads is part of the competition. Yes, it have been always like that, but rules have not been always there to give impact to rally results.

[br21]

FIA/WRC should delete that stupid Monte exception rule or whatever it is, that retiring on Saturday means no re-start on Sunday.
Yes, the reason is that there isn't enough room in Monaco or whatever..

At that point P1(and even P2) drivers must be able to continue on Sunday.. They are the ones that bring money and fans to rallying.

Imagine then some privateer who spends huge amount of his own money to participate in Monte, drives OK pace in this difficult rally and then can't start on Sunday because some factory driver made a risk to go only with one spare tire, gets 2 punctures and still can drive on Sunday only because he is factory driver...

[doubled1978]

Imagine then some privateer who spends huge amount of his own money to participate in Monte, drives OK pace in this difficult rally and then can't start on Sunday because some factory driver made a risk to go only with one spare tire, gets 2 punctures and still can drive on Sunday only because he is factory driver...

Of course, and I agree that would be unfair given the current rules, but also this rule for only 50 cars in MC is also stupid. I know everyone knows the rules etc etc.....that’s not the point. The same thing happened to Mikkelsen in Australia, and to me it’s stupid that cars are retired from a rally, or have to super rally because they can’t fit a tyre to complete a non competitive section. Not only does it diminish the competition, but spectators and viewers and losing cars to watch for shit reason that’s easily solved for tiny cost.

[Rallyper]

Which was a correct step. Before it lead to number of traffic craziness and potentially negative publicity among general public (Elena sitting in the window during a drive on the motorway for example) and it was also very selective who got away with it and who didn't. If you have two drivers doing the very same thing, let's say in Mexico, and one's name is Loeb and the other's is let's say Bulacia. Who has a higher chance that the police let him pass? Now they are even, at least in something.

So what would´ve been best solution, if not give them a wheel so they can reach SP? We discuss how to make WRC more friendly to new viewers/fans, at the same time as we DO like when the field goes like ten tin soldiers or whatever the international saying is (don´t want to give the swedish version...)

It´s ridicoulus punish cars that managed stages but not liasons bcs of lack of wheels.

[Rallyper]

Well, everyone knows the rules and everyone knows that there is no superally before the last leg of Monte Carlo. The reason for this situation is the decision to take only one spare. It was a calculated risk which didn't pay off. Such is life.

So you´re stuck with "rules are rules" and in another topic like to discuss the future of WRC, blind enough not to see the hippocracy...

[AnttiL]

FIA/WRC should delete that stupid Monte exception rule or whatever it is, that retiring on Saturday means no re-start on Sunday.
Yes, the reason is that there isn't enough room in Monaco or whatever..


I would say it's more likely ACM's decision, not FIA or WRC Promoter. In Tänak's case it would have been possible to continue since the car was intact and in service park. But usually the car is stopped along a stage somewhere, it needs to be hauled back to Gap, fixed, and then driven to Monaco and making it to parc ferme in time is not possible. And I guess they need to know which 50 cars are coming to Monaco...

It's crazy, some people say that super rally has ruined rallying because the routes should be completed in order to score points. Then there's one overnight break in the whole season when you cannot do super rally and instantly get other people complaining...

[br21]

But he could take two spares and no problem then. That's the reason why others took two. He took risk and he was aware of it.
If he will have 3 punctures you can complain, but with two with such road conditions it was nothing special.
Everyone knows the rules and then it's about risk management. He was aware of it, that's why he stopped on the stage to change slow puncture for rim only and then did opposite after the stage. But road section was too long, etc.
That's normal, this is well known that even with best wrc car driving on 3 wheels won't be successful

[br21]

Following your way of thinking then same would happen if you finish stage with broken radiator but can't reach service. So there should be someone waiting with radiators at the end of the stage?
Or similar with fuel? You finish the stage but then not enough fuel to reach service, so what then, refuel from special van?

[Rallyper]

You can take two wheels and be in same situation. It´s not about that.

I say it again. Remake the rules. Take action to ACM to follow common WRC organizers rules.

And finally, give the competitors a wheel if necessary after last stage to be able to get home to SP. With only 4-5 top drivers you don´t want to loose anyone because of these ridicoulus rules.

[TypeR]

Imagine then some privateer who spends huge amount of his own money to participate in Monte, drives OK pace in this difficult rally and then can't start on Sunday because some factory driver made a risk to go only with one spare tire, gets 2 punctures and still can drive on Sunday only because he is factory driver...
It doesn't have to be a puncture.. can be accident or other issue, that could be repaired in service..
but yes, I can imagine that. Everybody need money to rally, some more, some less.
Teams in WRC class pay hundreds of thousands for entry fees and tens of millions to build cars etc.. so yes, they may have some advantages.

[Rallyper]

Following your way of thinking then same would happen if you finish stage with broken radiator but can't reach service. So there should be someone waiting with radiators at the end of the stage?
Or similar with fuel? You finish the stage but then not enough fuel to reach service, so what then, refuel from special van?

Whataboutism...

[AnttiL]

I say it again. Remake the rules. Take action to ACM to follow common WRC organizers rules.

And again, elsewhere people complain that rallies are too similar with each other...:rolleyes:

[Mirek]

So what would´ve been best solution, if not give them a wheel so they can reach SP? We discuss how to make WRC more friendly to new viewers/fans, at the same time as we DO like when the field goes like ten tin soldiers or whatever the international saying is (don´t want to give the swedish version...)

It´s ridicoulus punish cars that managed stages but not liasons bcs of lack of wheels.

Who prevented Tänak to take second spare tyre like Ogier did?

[bisak]

Who prevented Tänak to take second spare tyre like Ogier did?

No one
We are not talking about giving Tanak an optimal time as if the stage has been cancelled for him and remaining at the same position.
We are talking about allowing him to continue providing the spectators with action, with all the time loss of having a flat, which is the whole goal of the sport.

[denkimi]

they could allow flying service again. a small van that follows the cars and waits at the finish of every stage.

that would solve most of the current problems.

[T16]

They should allow team mates to share tyres for road to service sections if required.
As someone said above, there are far too few cars anyway.
Wouldn’t harm anyone, the sport is better for it, with more top drivers still in contention and no road laws get broken.

[Mirek]

No one
We are not talking about giving Tanak an optimal time as if the stage has been cancelled for him and remaining at the same position.
We are talking about allowing him to continue providing the spectators with action, with all the time loss of having a flat, which is the whole goal of the sport.

It was Tänak who took the risk of being retired if he don't have tyres left to do the liaison. It was him who decided that 20 kg advantage over Toyotas is worth the risk of taking zero points from Monte.


they could allow flying service again. a small van that follows the cars and waits at the finish of every stage.

that would solve most of the current problems.

That would only create heaps of new problems. Those cars would have to get there somehow and to be parked somewhere. Especially in Monte Carlo this is nonsense. Just remember where Ogier was changing wheel today behind the stop control - he nearly blocked the liaison by one parked car.

[meh]

Breath guys.

Some are talking about Tänak's decision/situation, others about in general rules - try to match your arguments on topic :)

[doubled1978]

It was Tänak who took the risk of being retired if he don't have tyres left to do the liaison. It was him who decided that 20 kg advantage over Toyotas is worth the risk of taking zero points from
That would only create heaps of new problems. Those cars would have to get there somehow and to be parked somewhere. Especially in Monte Carlo this is nonsense. Just remember where Ogier was changing wheel today behind the stop control - he nearly blocked the liaison by one parked car.

Monte.


Look everyone knows the rules as they stand, my point is that it is stupid for a car to have to retire or superrally literally for the sake of a tyre to drive the liaison at the end of a loop/leg. We don’t need loads of vans, just one van with one tyre/wheel for each competitor at the end of the last stage of leg/loop. They can use it only once in the rally, and then it’s gone, and can only be used to drive that one liaison.
I think for everyone but hardliners who think out is out, this would be beneficial.
Of course people will say what about a radiator or whatever, but we are talking about a wheel/tyre not a service van. This issue is easily fixed and for tiny cost, keeps cars in rallies and would be better for WRC TV/promoter/spectators/competitors....

[cali]

As an estonian... I have to agree with guys like Mirek, AnttiL and br21. You have to comply within the rules. Rules are for a reason. Tänak took only 1 spare and with that they took a gamble which didn't pay off. They were only competitive on Thursday when they ran one spare wheel less. With 2 wheels I think they would've been nowhere close to Evans and Ogier (and probably Rovanperä). That's life and on to the next one. I see no reason to complain and yes, it's a pity that as a fan I don't see one of the best drivers out there but it is what it is.

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[Mirek]

Monte.


Look everyone knows the rules as they stand, my point is that it is stupid for a car to have to retire or superrally literally for the sake of a tyre to drive the liaison at the end of a loop/leg. We don’t need loads of vans, just one van with one tyre/wheel for each competitor at the end of the last stage of leg/loop. They can use it only once in the rally, and then it’s gone, and can only be used to drive that one liaison.
I think for everyone but hardliners who think out is out, this would be beneficial.
Of course people will say what about a radiator or whatever, but we are talking about a wheel/tyre not a service van. This issue is easily fixed and for tiny cost, keeps cars in rallies and would be better for WRC TV/promoter/spectators/competitors....

See the answer of Br21. It's the same like giving them fuel if they run out of it, spare radiator if they pierce it or whatever else. If you start doing things like that you will end with flying service (which is impossible in 21st century for many reasons). That is not a solution for anything. How about to aknowledge that it's up to the competitors to finish the event?

[AnttiL]

just one van with one tyre/wheel for each competitor at the end of the last stage of leg/loop.

How often has this double puncture thing happened at the end of a loop? When Mikkelsen had a double puncture in Australia 2017 it was before a super special. Same for Meeke in Portugal 2018.

[doubled1978]

See the answer of Br21. It's the same like giving them fuel if they run out of it, spare radiator if they pierce it or whatever else. If you start doing things like that you will end with flying service (which is impossible in 21st century for many reasons). That is not a solution for anything. How about to aknowledge that it's up to the competitors to finish the event?

Look, I don’t think we should return to the days of flying service and all that, cars are generally much more reliable and that would be a retrograde step.
But for the singular reason that it is illegal to drive the liaison with no tyre on a wheel, I think an effort could be made to provide a joker wheel/tyre once in an event after only the last stage of a leg or loop, to keep cars in rallies. It’s not a mechanical thing, it’s a legality thing in that the car could complete the road section as did Tanak today, but it was deemed that he shouldn’t have.
As a spectator it really pisses me off that one of the guys we are here to watch, won’t be on the stages tomorrow for such a shitty reason.
I accept not everyone will think the same as me, but I want to see as many good cars as often as possible....and from a competitive stand point that car will have been penalised on the SS anyway.

[Mirek]

Look, I don’t think we should return to the days of flying service and all that, cars are generally much more reliable and that would be a retrograde step.
But for the singular reason that it is illegal to drive the liaison with no tyre on a wheel, I think an effort could be made to provide a joker wheel/tyre once in an event after only the last stage of a leg or loop, to keep cars in rallies. It’s not a mechanical thing, it’s a legality thing in that the car could complete the road section as did Tanak today, but it was deemed that he shouldn’t have.
As a spectator it really pisses me off that one of the guys we are here to watch, won’t be on the stages tomorrow for such a shitty reason.
I accept not everyone will think the same as me, but I want to see as many good cars as often as possible....and from a competitive stand point that car will have been penalised on the SS anyway.

See, please. The liaison is part of the rally route just like the stages are. It's not something like cruising around boxes on circuit. The liaison is part of the competition and as such it has its competitive rules - you have to follow given route, be at exact time in time controls and do that with the same car with which you started from the last service. Without that it's not rally anymore.

[dimviii]

about the used/new snow tyres with spikes
------------------------------------------------------------


Evans explained: “There was obviously the discussion whether to take two new tires on the basis that you would think sometimes that a new tire should be better because the stud is more solid, and in some instances that can give you more grip.

“But [I’m] not sure it was the right call.

“I think what tends to happen is when the tires become used obviously the stud protrudes out of the tire a bit more and that can give you grip so it’s a difficult call and obviously with so little experience with the tire it’s hard to know what’s best.”

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/the-contrasting-choices-toyota-and-hyundai-both-regretted/

[Franky]

How about to aknowledge that it's up to the competitors to finish the event?

Feels like people are so used to have the option to 'restart' when something goes bad.

[djip]

FIA/WRC should delete that stupid Monte exception rule or whatever it is, that retiring on Saturday means no re-start on Sunday.

FIA/WRC should delete that stupid super-rally rule. Rallying is as much about speed as it is about finishing the event (=surviving the road).

[EstWRC]

but why though Monte has this rule?

there is no other rally with such a rule, i mean when you retire on saturday you cant continue on sunday

[dimviii]

some nice fast spots

https://www.facebook.com/sirbaloclinic/videos/202855888109377/

[doubled1978]

See, please. The liaison is part of the rally route just like the stages are. It's not something like cruising around boxes on circuit. The liaison is part of the competition and as such it has its competitive rules - you have to follow given route, be at exact time in time controls and do that with the same car with which you started from the last service. Without that it's not rally anymore.

I completely accept your opinion, my opinion is different.

[Mirek]

but why though Monte has this rule?

there is no other rally with such a rule, i mean when you retire on saturday you cant continue on sunday

I believe it is due to the available space in the Monte Carlo harbour (number of Sunday competitors was limited even in IRC times when there was no superally but many more competitors than now). The principality is a small and packed place. For sure no other event than RMC could ask for that but as we have seen in the past Monte Carlo outside of WRC is too dangerous for WRC popularity so it's worth to let them some freedom.

[MartijnS]

some nice fast spots

https://www.facebook.com/sirbaloclinic/videos/202855888109377/

Wrong link? :D

[AnttiL]

I believe it is due to the available space in the Monte Carlo harbour (number of Sunday competitors was limited even in IRC times when there was no superally but many more competitors than now). The principality is a small and packed place. For sure no other event than RMC could ask for that but as we have seen in the past Monte Carlo outside of WRC is too dangerous for WRC popularity so it's worth to let them some freedom.

Would there also be schedule difficulties because there's no overnight service? The car would have to be towed from the stage to Gap (obviously not in Tänak's case), fixed in Gap and then moved to Monaco parc ferme in time? Not sure, just guessing...

[dimviii]

Wrong link? :D

sorry guys,it just playing next video automaticaly as ends the video you watch
this is the correct link
https://www.facebook.com/1fan2rallyes/videos/941132106631746/

[dimviii]

rivierarally video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjwEyS4BFQA

[djip]

I believe it is due to the available space in the Monte Carlo harbour (number of Sunday competitors was limited even in IRC times when there was no superally but many more competitors than now). The principality is a small and packed place. For sure no other event than RMC could ask for that but as we have seen in the past Monte Carlo outside of WRC is too dangerous for WRC popularity so it's worth to let them some freedom.

This rule has existed since ancient times, even when the field was 300+ starters. Only the top 60 classifiers (number that I remember) after the "common run" (major , multi-days section over Ardeche, Vercors, Chartreuse ... all possible Alpine mountains) were eligible for the last sectionwhich was a full night on the mountains above Monaco. Labelled in French "la nuit du Turini - Turini's nigh". The survivors were greeted by the (warm) sunrise above Monaco in the wee hours in the morning. Part of the magic... we teenagers were listening the radio all night - the morning in school was a bit hard !

[Mirek]

This rule has existed since ancient times, even when the field was 300+ starters. Only the top 60 classifiers (number that I remember) after the "common run" (major , multi-days section over Ardeche, Vercors, Chartreuse ... all possible Alpine mountains) were eligible for the last sectionwhich was a full night on the mountains above Monaco. Labelled in French "la nuit du Turini - Turini's nigh". The survivors were greeted by the (warm) sunrise above Monaco in the wee hours in the morning. Part of the magic... we teenagers were listening the radio all night - the morning in school was a bit hard !

The Turini night (2009-2011 for me) was possibly the most intense rally experience of my life. There were even crews who celebrated passing the midnight Turini stopping there for a while (even Daniel Elena as a driver did so). We got back to Menton around 4-5 a.m. but happy. Fantastic times even without WRC!

[Humber]

Has no one developed a rally space saver tyre, to be used on road sections. Reduce weight instead of having two full tires?

The Africa eco-race did drive throughs of Monte-Carlo and assembled elsewhere, perhaps the rally needs to do something similar.

[Morte66]

The liaison is part of the rally route just like the stages are.

But I wish it wasn't. It's a hangover from 100 years ago. I'd love to get rid of it entirely, but I think that would get in the way of scrutineering etc in practice.


Without that it's not rally anymore.

So?

[Morte66]

FIA/WRC should delete that stupid super-rally rule. Rallying is as much about speed as it is about finishing the event (=surviving the road).

Bring on rally Gap. I'm sure they can find parking for more than 60 cars, and drivers wouldn't have the long liaisons, and now that Corsica is gone we don't have to pretend that The Rally In The French Alps is not a second French rally anymore.

[Mirek]

But I wish it wasn't. It's a hangover from 100 years ago. I'd love to get rid of it entirely, but I think that would get in the way of scrutineering etc in practice.

So?

Have you though about following another sport if you don't like the fundaments of this one?


Bring on rally Gap. I'm sure they can find parking for more than 60 cars, and drivers wouldn't have the long liaisons, and now that Corsica is gone we don't have to pretend that RMC is not a second French rally anymore.

You know that Rallye Monte Carlo without Monte Carlo is not Rallye Monte Carlo? You know that the organizer of the event since 1910 is Monaco principality?

[Morte66]

Have you though about following another sport if you don't like the fundaments of this one?

Frequently. Road cleaning sucks, it means rallies like Sardegna depend more on starting order than car or driver. But I put up with it so far. ;)

As for fundamentals... the fundamentals of rallying is special stages. Liaison is a historical relic and/or practical requirement for scrutineering. I pay my 8.99 to watch special stages, not to hear that I will be watching less of the special stages because of something outside them.


You know that Rallye Monte Carlo without Monte Carlo is not Rallye Monte Carlo?

Yes. And I am absolutely 100% fine with that if we can replace it with a Rally Gap that is a better rally.

[Essaj]

Yes. And I am absolutely 100% fine with that if we can replace it with a Rally Gap that is a better rally.

Are you funding it?

[Morte66]

Are you funding it?

That is the problem. We're stuck with the 60 car rule because the Monte Carlo brand is valuable. Life sucks.

[Mirek]

That is the problem. We're stuck with the 60 car rule because the Monte Carlo brand is valuable. Life sucks.

It's easy to criticize, blame and destroy. The real deal is to create something and the ACM created the most valuable rally brand in history and the only event which proved to be viable as an international event even without WRC. I'm sure you can do just as good. Come on, try it.

[TypeR]

Basically nothing would happen if the season wouldn't start with Monte.. shdt happens, times change..

Most valuable rally brand in history..? #moneyandfame
This year's start podium etc looked like some local national rally start or smth..

[AnttiL]

Basically nothing would happen if the season wouldn't start with Monte.. shdt happens, times change..

Most valuable rally brand in history..? #moneyandfame
This year's start podium etc looked like some local national rally start or smth..

Do you understand it’s not a normal rally this year? No spectators...

[djip]

The Turini night (2009-2011 for me) was possibly the most intense rally experience of my life. There were even crews who celebrated passing the midnight Turini stopping there for a while (even Daniel Elena as a driver did so). We got back to Menton around 4-5 a.m. but happy. Fantastic times even without WRC!

And the IRC years only had half of a "final night" (last SS around midnight). Imagine with SS all nightlong, and the last one in the morning sun ... That was fun !

[djip]

The thing is that no rally is irreplaceable.. if one can't adapt to today's norms, then smth has to be changed..

The format of events is (unfortunately imposed by FIA). I am sure Rally Monte Carlo organizers would love to make their event different / longer / etc ... They are just not allowed to do so and must comply to the cloverleaf / repeat stages / 3 days / ending sunday at noon format. I wish every event would have its own special character ...

[pantealex]

btw. It´s only 50 cars for Sunday

https://acm.mc/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/Start-List-for-Section-6-Sunday.pdf

[dimviii]

#RallyeLuminy13
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mc5EHrvb4gA&feature=youtu.be


Ouhla Lui
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMWIY1GEBbc&feature=youtu.be

[Eli]

On a different note, is Briançonnet – Entrevaux an entirely new stage or has it been used in the past? (and if so, when was the last time it was on the itinerary?)

[dimviii]

On a different note, is Briançonnet – Entrevaux an entirely new stage or has it been used in the past? (and if so, when was the last time it was on the itinerary?)

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/monte-carlo-powerstage-might-be-most-demanding-ever/

[Andre Oliveira]

btw. It´s only 50 cars for Sunday

https://acm.mc/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/Start-List-for-Section-6-Sunday.pdf

Special regulamention as allways.

[dimviii]

https://scontent-bru2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/141564323_3687898391298952_1672924614863189103_o.j pg?_nc_cat=105&ccb=2&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=4w2P8zDlPFgAX_delcx&_nc_ht=scontent-bru2-1.xx&oh=fbd5a1a4598e01d6bb8da25a9a40967f&oe=6031F9F4
https://scontent-bru2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/141418134_3687898407965617_5340104356685494650_o.j pg?_nc_cat=105&ccb=2&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=G9C89Jwi8nsAX8cgivN&_nc_ht=scontent-bru2-1.xx&oh=7f68aa13a9f942e9589d1795d531948e&oe=6032BC7D

[Steve Boyd]

I knew it was a mistake to allow SupeRally in the first place. Start of a slippery slope from real rallying to easy little sprints. Next we'll have all sorts of youths complaing that the drivers can't have a new car after every stage when they've broken something of gone off. It's supposed to be the real world - not something on a Playstaion or XBox.

[AnttiL]

On a different note, is Briançonnet – Entrevaux an entirely new stage or has it been used in the past? (and if so, when was the last time it was on the itinerary?)

2001, only partially.

And SS12/14 was used last in 2002 partially when Kresta crashed

[dupanton]

Ambulance and security not getting to the start of ss13 atm because of the ice. Stage is blocked. Hope they solve it in time

[AnttiL]

The format of events is (unfortunately imposed by FIA). I am sure Rally Monte Carlo organizers would love to make their event different / longer / etc ... They are just not allowed to do so and must comply to the cloverleaf / repeat stages / 3 days / ending sunday at noon format. I wish every event would have its own special character ...

In the late 80's and early 90's Monte had a 30 hour break before the final night. I can imagine the "this is a joke" cries from today's All Live viewers

https://www.rally-maps.com/Rallye-Monte-Carlo-1990

[cali]

Basically nothing would happen if the season wouldn't start with Monte.. shdt happens, times change..

Most valuable rally brand in history..? #moneyandfame
This year's start podium etc looked like some local national rally start or smth..So when Tänak is not allowed to restart suddenly Monte becomes disposable? Get a grip fanboy! Monte was before Tänak and probably will be after Tänak.

Basically nothing would happen if you bugger off from this forum... Shit happens, times change.... See the analogy?

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[wwbroe]

Morning guys;)

[dimviii]

Good morning guys!!


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EsejvRVVcAEQt08?format=jpg&name=small

[rage82]

Good morning guys!
Probably nice battles for 1-st and 3-rd place.

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[wwbroe]

Ogier was having a look at Neuville's car what tyres he have on it.:D

[dimviii]

a think we havent seen this hot moment of Tanak
https://twitter.com/ma_ipp/status/1352919398563123200

[Tauri_J]

a think we havent seen this hot moment of Tanak
https://twitter.com/ma_ipp/status/1352919398563123200

Was on alllive

[wwbroe]

Stage delayed, for what reason?

[Mirek]

btw. It´s only 50 cars for Sunday

https://acm.mc/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/Start-List-for-Section-6-Sunday.pdf

WRC teams need huuuuge space in the service park...


On a different note, is Briançonnet – Entrevaux an entirely new stage or has it been used in the past? (and if so, when was the last time it was on the itinerary?)

I only remember that Entrevaux is an absolutely beautiful place. Just google it ;)
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/82/Entrevaux1.JPG

[KKS]

Was on alllive
Yep, spotted that too

[Portimao]

Zero car stuck on the stage

[dimviii]

Stage delayed, for what reason?

from French forum

Car 0 stuck in the special.

[wwbroe]

Went off?

[br21]

quite many 5s penalties, should change gap betwen 3rd and 4th

[dimviii]

Went off?

according to rumors yes
btw must be Bernardi with new clio

[KKS]

from French forum

Car 0 stuck in the special.
Some extreme weather condition out there?

[wwbroe]

Is it F1 driver Esteban Ocon who is in zero car?

[dimviii]

The new estimated start time is 0845hrs...

[dimviii]

Ruben Perez
@RubnPerez
·
14s
We already know the reason for the delay in the start of the section. #RallyeMonteCarlo

The Renault Clio Rally4 that used to function as car 0 has suffered a breakdown and has been replaced by a Dacia Duster, which is logically slower. #WRC

[dimviii]

These short cuts have now caused 5 second time penalties to
- Tänak
- Rovanperä
- Greensmith
- Fourmaux
- Mikkelsen
- Loubet
- Camilli
- Bulacia
- Neuville
- Sordo

https://twitter.com/HartusvuoriWRC/status/1353245901272330241?s=20

[Tom K]

Is it F1 driver Esteban Ocon who is in zero car?

No, he drove only Thursday stages and with VIP car.

[mknight]

With the new PS points for WRC2 (which is good) they have created a bit of a problem.

On European rallies like here there are 5-6 WRC2 cars that can win it or score good points. They don't have time to run all those in front of WRCs. Creating an issue both sporting wise (road development is quite common) and promoter-wise (showing/announcing who won PS).

[Essaj]

Stage should go live at 8:50

[dimviii]

from official wrc

-----------------------

Time penalties for some crews

Greensmith, Loubet, Rovanperä, Neuville, Mikkelsen, Fourmaux along with a number of other competitors have been hit with 10sec penalties for deviating from the stage route during SS4 & SS7.

[Rallyper]

Who prevented Tänak to take second spare tyre like Ogier did?

You don´t want to understand, do you?

[Mirek]

Started! Loubet oveshoot already the first hairpin...

And Mads is back :)

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ese0wNeXEAAw-u4?format=jpg&name=large

[Mirek]

Greensmith nearly crashed in the first corner. Veeeery slippery black ice.

[Portimao]

Black ice alert

[br21]

and cold tires after 20mins waiting

[Tauri_J]

Black ice extravaganza

[dimviii]

at these conditions we are going to have big surprises.

[meh]

at these conditions we are going to have big surprises.

If we already expecting, they are not surprises ;)

[Rallyper]

Clear sky in the sunrise makes the moisty surface freeze.

[Mirek]

Who the hell thought that tilted camera is a good idea (also in Rovanperä's car)...

[Mirek]

Rovanperä with puncture.


"I don't know. Really shit".

[EstWRC]

Neuville amazing again this black icey stuff like yesterday

another puncture

[sti123]

Neuville amazing again this black icey stuff like yesterday

another puncture

Those Pirellis needs some reinforcements, not nice to have so many punctures over the rally.

[EstWRC]

i havent seen it myself but my friend says that Ogier had said yesterday he wont discuss the tyre issues with the press but he has talked with PIrelli that they have a lot to improve?

[wwbroe]

Besttime Ogier

[sti123]

i havent seen it myself but my friend says that Ogier had said yesterday he wont discuss the tyre issues with the press but he has talked with PIrelli that they have a lot to improve?

Fully agree with you, it's a matter of security and safety too.

[Ucci]

Besttime Ogier

Cool...one stage less to go.....

[TWRC]

Camilli with very good time

[KKS]

Solberg abd Gryazin good on splits too

[wwbroe]

What a time by Oliver

[Rallyper]

Camilli with very good time

Well, but Solberg even better. 4th overall...

[mknight]

Obviously some Rally2 crews push more than others at this point, but it might be that it started to melt/break up a bit.

[Lead]

What a time by Oliver

And Gryazin only 05.sec behind him.

[KKS]

Obviously some Rally2 crews push more than others at this point, but it might be that it started to melt/break up a bit.
Seems that studs and hot tyres creating a unfrozen racing line and it helps for laterunners. Same as yesterday

[EstWRC]

just a interesting stat from estonian TV coverage

there was a question from a viewer if its ever happened that a driver who gets 0 points from Monte has become champion.

turns out there is 8 of them including Vatanen, Biason (2 times), Mäkinen, Grönholm, McRae, Burns, Solberg

[mknight]

And Gryazin only 05.sec behind him.

Yes just check the other Rally2 coming Ciamin between Gryazin and Solberg on first split. Conditions changing.

[doubled1978]

i havent seen it myself but my friend says that Ogier had said yesterday he wont discuss the tyre issues with the press but he has talked with PIrelli that they have a lot to improve?

I said some weeks ago in the forum that I thought we could see more punctures with Pirelli.
I hope they can fix it.

[pantealex]

What do you think about PowerStage ?
Will "Big5" take all points or are we going to see some surprises ?
Has Rally2/RC2 drivers chance for points ?

[mknight]

What do you think about PowerStage ?
Will "Big5" take all points or are we going to see some surprises ?
Has Rally2/RC2 drivers chance for points ?

Way too early to say how conditions will be 3 hours from now.

There will be fast Rally2 drivers both before and after WRC. So things can happen.

I am not sure they can "take" WRC PS points since they now have own PS points

[sti123]

I think it is Pirelli's interest too to improve. Also many drivers have told now that the slick tire is really "snappy"- like Sordo said yesterday- real racing tire, but when you loose the grip, you are gone. Seams that Michelin was more forgiving on the grip limit level and the feedback from tire was easier to feel.

[jonkka]

just a interesting stat from estonian TV coverage

there was a question from a viewer if its ever happened that a driver who gets 0 points from Monte has become champion.

turns out there is 8 of them including Vatanen, Biason (2 times), Mäkinen, Grönholm, McRae, Burns, Solberg

They forgot 1994 and Didier Auriol.

[pantealex]

I said some weeks ago in the forum that I thought we could see more punctures with Pirelli.
I hope they can fix it.

They have time to do it, long time before next WRC rally with those type of 18" wheels.
Most tyres of Croatia should be different types (dry or semi-dry, not studded)

[Sulland]

Yes just check the other Rally2 coming Ciamin between Gryazin and Solberg on first split. Conditions changing.

Same as with a couple of stages yesterday, and said by Rallyper here, just around sunrise on clear weather days, the temp drop a bit, until the sun gets up and start to warm the asphalt. That just happened when the Rally2 cars started. So most of the frozen layer on the "wet asphalt" now is just wet, and now the studded tires are more slippy that just the snowtire without studs.

[EstWRC]

They forgot 1994 and Didier Auriol.

i guess they said it, it was rather me who forgot

[pantealex]

I am not sure they can "take" WRC PS points since they now have own PS points


It´s overall PS points, every driver can take those. Just like Top10 overall points, you can be in WRC2 and still get those.

[KKS]

Solberg Oliver - Johnston Aaron
"Crazy slippery start to the day - never driven a stage like that before but happy with the pace for sure! "

[jonkka]

It´s overall PS points, every driver can take those. Just like Top10 overall points, you can be in WRC2 and still get those.

Correction, those are Drivers' Championship points which are different from WRC2 or WRC3 or Manufacturers' Championship points. So if WRC2 driver wins PS, he will score five points for Drivers' and five points for WRC2.

[pantealex]

Correction, those are Drivers' Championship points which are different from WRC2 or WRC3 or Manufacturers' Championship points. So if WRC2 driver wins PS, he will score five points for Drivers' and five points for WRC2.

Right, but my idea was also right.
Top5 will score PS points, doesn´t matter which car or class they drive in. (Must be FIA car)
Top10 overall will score points, if FIA car (NAT cars can´t score)

[wyler]

+ WRC2 Powerstage points (remember 2021 has PS points for WRC2 also)

does fourmeaux will bring point to m-sport if it stay in top 10 as a second car??

[pantealex]

does fourmeaux will bring point to m-sport if it stay in top 10 as a second car??

No, he was not nominated for WRC Teams points.

[wyler]

maybe with only 2 wrc it will be a good idea to nominate also fourmeaux in wrc2 for the future! (if possible)

also: another different tyre choice for hiunday...

[Mirek]

What a stage :)

[meh]

oookei, this will be INTERESTING. The decider. The pin-ball pipe.

[Lead]

beautiful stage

[Mirek]

Spin for Guss

[jonkka]

Right, but my idea was also right.

Yes, absolutely it was. I only wanted to straighten out the overall PS points as there are no such thing, points are always tied to some championship. I know you meant the correct thing, just expressed slightly flawed.

[Tauri_J]

Greensmith looks terrified.

[Mirek]

Greensmith looks terrified.

Puncture maybe?

[Rallyper]

And studs doesn´t help much...

[TypeR]

Gus has puncture?

[EstWRC]

another puncture again? Gus

[Sulland]

What tyres had Gus on for this stage, still split btw studs and not?

[Lead]

WRC+ should show start of the stage, that were the fun is.

[Mirek]

What tyres had Gus on for this stage, still split btw studs and not?

4x studs

[Rallyper]

Wouldn´t it be nice if they show all cars in the righthander armco corner in the beginning...?

[Mirek]

Full black ice in the finish section.

Katsuta spun and hit the same armco as Guss.

[Rally Hokkaido]

Wouldn´t it be nice if they show all cars in the righthander armco corner in the beginning...?

I was about to write the same thing. Action at start of the stage so why are we shown the stage end instead??

[TypeR]

Neuville very fast at the end.. 8.2s faster than Loubet.

Could it be that they don't show the snowy section on AllLive, because later starters can make changes to notes?

[Mirek]

Could it be that they don't show the snowy section on AllLive, because later starters can make changes to notes?

No. They simply follow their normal way of working.

[meh]

Mikkelsen went for Katsuta (6th overall)

[Rallyper]

No. They simply follow their normal way of working.

And that´s a pity. "Where the action is" think it´s the slogan. More flexibility wanted.

[Mirek]

Very wild driving by Fourmaux in live!

[SubaruNorway]

No. They simply follow their normal way of working.

No proper signal since it's on the other side of the mountain guess

[EstWRC]

pretty quiet morning so far

[Mirek]

Good that they show so many Rally2 cars now.

[wwbroe]

Isn't stage 14 live in the meanwhile?

[Rallyper]

Should´ve started 5 mins ago...

[wwbroe]

It is live, but they are not showing it?

[TypeR]

Isn't stage 14 live in the meanwhile?

Loubet in the middle of the next stage already yep.. and now showing random guys..

[mknight]

Very wild driving by Fourmaux in live!


Yeah.
Leg4 results so far are Gryazin-Formaux-Solberg.

Only first rally allready Gryazin has shown more speed than whole last year.

[SubaruNorway]

Softer tires on the Rally2 right? One reason they do so good times now
Cars already finishing the next stage...

[Rally Hokkaido]

No SS14 coverage from WRC+!!?
Should change their trademark to 'Almost All Live'

[Rallyper]

So not all stages Live then...? Very bad!

It´s called AllLive, isn´t it?

Edit: SS14 now Live. Some confusion made by distributor...

[Essaj]

not really ALL LIVE is it? :p

[Mirek]

No SS14 coverage from WRC+!!?

According to ewrc SS13 stream was broadcasted on TV and scheduled till 11 a.m.

[meh]

No proper signal since it's on the other side of the mountain guess

Maybe it was a TV-stage and got a bit different coverage. Also it's "test for powerstage LIVE".

[mknight]

It's because the first run of PS is "TV" stage so it's ran as a block. Then allive is "separate".

[Rally Hokkaido]

Just started SS14 coverage

[Sulland]

Some live!

[mknight]

Sordo can still catch Rovanpera, but Rovanpera is not scoring teams points as 3rd car so it doesn't matter much.

[Tom K]

For Manu Power Stage points the rules are the same as for general? Two cars scoring?

[Mirek]

Camilli possibly out with engine problems.

EDIT: Started late.

[meh]

So, quite boring "filler stage", no-one want and no-one need to take any risks.

[pantealex]

For Manu Power Stage points the rules are the same as for general? Two cars scoring?

Yes but they must finish in Powerstage TOP5 to be able to score.

[jonkka]

For Manu Power Stage points the rules are the same as for general? Two cars scoring?

Yes, same two best placed scoring rule applies to PS manu points too (Art 5.2.3), third car does not score.

[Sulland]

Gryazin on fire today!

[wwbroe]

Gryazin having a great day

[dimviii]

Markus Ippach
@ma_ipp
This was the mistake of @KalleRovanpera
on SS6 on Friday #RallyeMonteCarlo

Rallye Racing 63 via YT

https://twitter.com/ma_ipp/status/1353281544002166784

[mknight]

Yes, same two best placed scoring rule applies to PS manu points too (Art 5.2.3), third car does not score.

If Rovanpera is faster on PS than Evans he will score manu points no?

Another interesting situation is WRC 2 where Solberg is not nominated for anything so imo can't score any points.

[Milujeme Rally]

yesterday's mistake Fourmaux

https://twitter.com/i/status/1352991637794934787

[wwbroe]

Camilli took 40 sec on liaison, now Solberg passed him in overall classification for just 1,4 sec.

[jonkka]

If Rovanpera is faster on PS than Evans he will score manu points no?

For PS yes, for overall classification Evans would score manu points.

[mknight]

Camilli took 40 sec on liaison, now Solberg passed him in overall classification for just 1,4 sec.

Solberg is not scoring any points though.

[Tom K]

He can score 1 point for general standings and being in Top 10 on Monte looks quite good.

[dimviii]

start list ps

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Esfeqf_XAAAv_pJ?format=jpg&name=small

[wwbroe]

start list ps

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Esfeqf_XAAAv_pJ?format=jpg&name=small

What is Rossel doing there?

[Rallyper]

About rules I guess, but Solberg (RC2 - None) should´ve been instead of Rossel (RC2 - WRC3). The fastest, not the ones in certain class... it´s about performance...

[mknight]

As expected Solberg and Gryazin as not-nominated WRC2 drivers (not scoring points), start 12 cars and 1 hour later.

With road likely getting faster they will likely be fastest Rally2 cars... kind of continuing the WRC2/3 point problem from last year, but at least only on PS so far.

Hard to say how hard Camilli, Fourmaux and Mikkelsen should push then.

EDIT:

About rules I guess, but Solberg (RC2 - None) should´ve been instead of Rossel (RC2 - WRC3). The fastest, not the ones in certain class... it´s about performance...

No, that's a promoter move. Cause it would look bad if he is among the fastest RC2 but is not scoring. As written above it actually might increase his chances to be fastest.

[mknight]

Snow completely melted at start, first pass WRC cars were on ice+snow there.