Barum Czech Rally Zlín 2019

[Mirek]

last line
https://www.fiaerc.com/breaking-news-erc3-junior-results-adjusted-llarena-promoted-to-class-victory/

I heard M-Sport appealed not against the time alocated to Franceschi but protested against the one alocated to Llarena because there were some reports Llarena drove with a puncture before the stage was canceled. Take it as a rumor only.

What I know for sure is that Cais was fastest halfway the stage and quite possibly would win the rally if Vlček didn't crash.

[dimviii]

from Francheschis facebook

877/5000
What a desappointment..

At the last ES of this Barum Rally, we have had to stop 3 times due to a technical problem on our Ford Fiesta.
After leaving, the red flag �� was triggered following the accident of a competitor preceding us .. (red flag = SS canceled). In our misfortune we are lucky ..

But, well after the end of hostilities, GPS analysis was requested by a competitor.

Appraisal: estimate of our loss of time close to a minute ..

Decision: 1 minute added to the lump sum.

So we do not win this Barum Rally and our teammate Ken Torn is not ERC Junior Champion ... really sad and frustrated for the whole Msport team .. ������

We will remember our beautiful performance ... the job was done ..

Sometimes there are complicated decisions to understand.

Nothing more to say...

[Mirek]

Official results are signed by FIA stewards: https://www.czechrally.com/wcd/docs/2019/bcrz_2019_5.10_final-clasification-erc.pdf

Ingram's onboard SS9 which he won: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3Jrmg0iAZE

That stage was from 2/3 new for everyone (not used in last 11 years). I was at 4:43 in the first run and 5:25 in the second one.

[Mirek]

Was Passats de Canto video already here?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-P7mgNRf4U

Crash of Lahola: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlhNbuRrWL8

[EstWRC]

at least we have a explanation now but estonian rally god strikes again i must say.....

but how come they come up with the 1 minute loss? maybe he would have lost 2 minutes with his problem or wouldnt even reached the stage end without red flag? then would have Torn ended up in 4th place and had been the champ.

man it is so hard to be estonian rally fan with all the rotten luck all the time.

[Lehus]

check ewrc https://www.ewrc-results.com/profile/16873-alexey-lukyanuk/
crash, crash and crash. Even if he was reminded not crash - he will crash anyway. I follow Lukiyanuk a bit longer than you, cuz you not following national Baltic championships or russian nat. championship. And nothing change since that time. One exceptional year was 2018 when he crash less than usual.
strange, strange and strange.

In my opinion crash - is a significant damage to the car, like Azores this year.
if you check thoroughly, the main part of Lucas's offs were pure technical, as the Opel was not a car to depend upon. some Fiesta offs were driven by fragile arms, that were made stronger afterwards per our (and others) requests.
also Azores this year, though spectacular, crash was not caused by Alexey's mistake, but due to technical factor.

of course, there are mistakes. Here I will support Gryazin's philosophy - you better be fast than crawl to get some points. the most disgusting feeling after the rally there you have to get to the finish to score in zero-risk mode. (BTW even here you can get a puncture or a rock that will crash half of suspension)

Ok, the wheels can be damaged due to drivers mistake, like our ss15, but for ss8, with slow puncture... it is obviously impossible to figure out what actually happened, especially as the tire was already used one. and to call it crash sounds more of stupidity.

so, I rather suggest you change your sofa and start to track Alexey's performance using some analytical skills.

[Lehus]

PS Novikov was supported by his sponsors. it was his own decision to reject

[dimviii]

Special M.
@TheSizSilent
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What penalty (aka revision of notional time) is fair enough for puncture on the cancelled stage?One minute at least!
#BarumRally


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ECUVTgRXUAIjM8c?format=jpg&name=900x900

[Got Mail]

It saddens me when people just come on the ERC forum when they see a crashed car to slag off the driver (in this case Gryazin), or Lukyanuk or another. Where are they when they are driving well and winning stages, beating the local guys or even the current champion ?

And do they not enjoy their flat-out style ? Many young stars had these crashes ('Colin McCrash', and even the new hero Tanak).

Do they prefer one of the dozen guys just driving around safely and finishing 3 minutes behind ?

100% correct.

Nikolay reminds me of a young Colin McRae in his style and attitude.

ERC is not his focus this year and he has a pretty good finishing record in WRC2, where he is trying to learn the events without taking too may risks.

Career retirement rate for NG is 22%. McRae was 34%.

So please let's not assassinate this young guy, who is probably the most spectacular driver in the world to watch right now.

[Andre Oliveira]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ECU-bJ8XsAsHWlT?format=jpg&name=large

[Fast Eddie WRC]

He (Mares) made it harder to himself (due to the missing budget coming afaik from Yates's pre-season change of plans).

What is the Yates connection ?

[Mirek]

Two cars in the team mean less cost per each.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ingram - Lord of the Night https://youtu.be/v3Jrmg0iAZE

[Carbon]

It is clear that Llarena is going to have atleast +1min penalty.

[Mirek]

It is clear that Llarena is going to have atleast +1min penalty.

No. Official results are signed by FIA (as posted on the previous page). Moreover the talk about penalties is nonsense. Nobody got any penalty. Notional time is not a penalty. Llarena was simply lucky that he was not stopped in the stage (moreover repeatedly) as Franceschi was.

The thing is that notional times are always unfair to someone. My friend Erik Cais could have won his first ERC3-J event here if the stage was not canceled for him but in the same time his former co-driver was sitting in the crashed car and required medical assistance. Sometimes it's like that.

[Rally Power]

100% correct.

Nikolay reminds me of a young Colin McRae in his style and attitude. (...)

Or Vatanen (another WDC) on his earlier days.


PS: congrats to Kopecky for the win and Mares for the U28 title. Hat off for Lukyanuk, Gryazin and Ingram; it's never easy to figth Czech top drivers on Barum.

[Mirek]

The fact is that Gryazin or Lukaynuk are the reason why you decide to travel to such distant events. These guys are so crazy to watch that sometimes you feel even scared about them crashing too hard. But you can always bet that it will be passes of these guys you will take home with you in your memories.

[Mirek]

The crash of Vlček: https://www.facebook.com/mediasport.cz/videos/643838956123506/?hc_ref=ARQm6nKPTQILg6eg0KmWE2r15ziTPpMEZ_Ag8hxa33 B7w2TfnjAieHC3x2IvWZQbO4c&fref=nf

And another view of Melengari's crash: https://www.facebook.com/mediasport.cz/videos/412250089638706/?hc_ref=ARQm6nKPTQILg6eg0KmWE2r15ziTPpMEZ_Ag8hxa33 B7w2TfnjAieHC3x2IvWZQbO4c&fref=nf

[Andre Oliveira]

M-Sport can appeal to FIA. It takes weeks (like Ogier situation).

[Carbon]

M-Sport can appeal to FIA. It takes weeks (like Ogier situation).

Yes, thats what i meant.

[mknight]

Career retirement rate for NG is 22%. McRae was 34%.

So please let's not assassinate this young guy, who is probably the most spectacular driver in the world to watch right now.

Can't really compare retirement rates from a time without "superrally" with today when even "local" events allow restart after crash.

There is no denying he is spectacular. What I react to is how is worshiped as next WRC driver/champion on same level as Rovanpera when in contrary to Kalle he is very rarely able to keep the speed to the finish.

Yes the popular saying goes that it is harder to make a reliable driver fast than to make a fast driver reliable, but that does not mean that a fast driver will become reliable. (see Duval). Yet often people interpret it like that.

[m-ast]

M-Sport can appeal to FIA. It takes weeks (like Ogier situation).


Yes, thats what i meant.

Not, as I said yesterday I think that allocation of notional times can't be appealed (couldn't find the exact article of the code, if someone knows), and moreover the final classification doesn't indicate that is subject to any appeal lodged by M-Sport, only fuel analysis on some cars

[Rallyper]

I'm just glad he didnt hit the white van that appeared to be parked in a very stupid position. Certainly a very dramatic driver. They always say you can educate a driver to slow down however they need to be born with speed and this boy seems to have it in spades.

I´m glad he didn´t hit the fence one meter earlier on his car. Then he wouldn´t be sitting in a rallycar any more. Or any car.

[CWJ]

What penalty (aka revision of notional time) is fair enough for puncture on the cancelled stage?

Depends on how much time you have lost until the red flag appeared. Not afterwards. So who knows?

[Got Mail]

Can't really compare retirement rates from a time without "superrally" with today when even "local" events allow restart after crash.


Please indicate which rallies that NG has finished using SuperRally or restart after accident.

(A clue - there aren't any.)

[pantealex]

M-Sport can appeal to FIA. It takes weeks (like Ogier situation).

Based on which rule?

No entry was made for name M-Sport. Franceschi was private entered.
M-sport was only car manufacturer in this case, I don´t think they have rights to appeal.

[Mirek]

Štajf's big crash on the last stage is here: https://youtu.be/mobksISVvzk?t=390 He was blinded by the sun.

[Mirek]

Let's make a small report this time :)

At first I'd like to say that despite not so star-filled entry list this edition was one of the most spectacular ever at least for me. I had a great time on stages and I will remember it for a long time. Also spectating was again easier, sometimes the marshals were maybe relaxed even too much but for spectating it was definitely a plus.

This year the rally was nearly completely dry. Last year it was a crash galore on the wet roads but the crashes mostly happened in lower speed. This time there were also many accidents but a lot of them were pretty hard ones. Speedy recovery to all those who got injured! Barum isn't any walk in the park and it can be cruel as hell.

We can say that Jan Kopecký is now what Loix used to be in Ypres. He knows perfectly how to drive fast enough and with smallest possible risk in the same time. He can well control himself and wait for the others to make seamingly inevitable mistakes trying to beat him. Alex Lukyanuk actually looked calmer with the Citroën than what we were used to. Of course he had some wild moments but it's Gryazin who took over as the mad Russian geroi now. In fact Lukyanuk was the first one to fight for the podium here with Citroën since Simon Jean-Joseph with C2 S1600 some 12-13 years a go! What to say about Nikolai Gryazin? Blindingly fast and crazy. Watching him was pure joy but in the same time you really felt that this must end with a crash and you only hoped it won't be too bad one.

The fight between Filip Mareš and Chris Ingram for the junior title was another highlight of the event. I'm actually amazed that they both made it without mistakes till the closest possible finish! I hope the fight continues in Hungary and on Cyprus and that we'll have a great battle for the overal title with Alex Lukyanuk and Lukasz Habaj.

Allready before the event I was really looking forward to the ERC3-J drivers and I was not disappointed. Quite the opposite, I was amazed by them. It was interesting to see how hugely different the Fiestas and the Peugeots are. Fiesta has a lot of torque and power but it looks somewhat less stable and often all over the place. As I already wrote before I rate Franceschi as the most impressive driver of the weekend for me. He was crazy spectacular but he didn't make any misakes and considering he has never driven Barum or any other Czech event before I can only applaud him. The Fiesta drivers were driving interestingly. While Franceschi was all over the place, Torn was driving the cleanest and calmest of them. Cais was somewhere in between. From Peugeot drivers Llarena was very aggressive but pretty precise while Furuseth looked interestingly calm and smooth (I was actually always amazed by his times compared to the appearance on stage).

Yeah, that's it. Next year it's 50th aniversary of the event and I am pretty sure the organizers will try to make it special.

[tommeke_B]

Back from another great Barum Rally! It was the 6th time I visited this event, and it keeps amazing me. Seen great competition from R5 and R2 class, some amazing action. Two drivers of the rally for me are Gryazin and Franchesci. Gryazin crashed, but I think it was impossible to not crash, when driving like this. Every time we saw him, we couldn't believe now fast he was going! I'm watching rallies for a good number of years now, and I can honestly say I've never seen someone attacking that hard! Seeing an R5 car totally sideways in corners at 150kph on tarmac, it's something different... :) For the other top R5 cars, Kopecky did what we expected. Lukyanuk a bit unlucky with his retirement. The C3 needs cleaner driving than the Fiesta, and he clearly adapted to it. However I hope to see him in another car next year... :) From Mares and Ingram both very strong performance, nice to see the fight lasting till the very end! Very strong competition in R2 with many drivers on the same level, it was almost as crazy to watch as the R5 cars. Franchesci was extremely strong, especially for it being his first Barum Rally. Certainly a driver we need to keep an eye on!

A few photos.

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Link to my album: https://www.facebook.com/pg/rallyimage/photos/?tab=album&album_id=3317914718220391

[dimviii]

@Tom amazing photo with Gryazin sideways.!

[Mirek]

I would add to Tommeke that on his photos this is a 5th gear corner! It's this place (Ingram had 140 km/h in the corner): https://youtu.be/v3Jrmg0iAZE?t=282
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[dimviii]

Gryazin trolling himself

https://twitter.com/PorkyInside/status/1163440455998234625

[EstWRC]

this event must be a WRC round!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Gryazin:
Whatever the outcome of the Barum Czech Rally Zlín for us (OK, we are upset!), we’ll never forget this event first of all by the remarkable special stage Semetín – one of the most challenging and exciting in the ERC.

https://youtu.be/l7FCcXbif8s

[Mirek]

Unfortunate and very scary accident of Hýbner from the historic event. The crew is fortunately ok, only the car is gone.
https://youtu.be/lThlmkyg5Cg?t=48

Jakeš braking the wheel on Pindula: https://youtu.be/lThlmkyg5Cg?t=82

[tommeke_B]

this event must be a WRC round!

It would be a dream to see the WRC drivers and cars in this region, but I think it will only remain a dream. The Barum Rally is probably the best organized event in ERC (and better organized than many WRC events). But being in central Europe the crowds would be huge, and I don't know if the region could take it. There are few access roads so getting from and to the stages is difficult, not even talking about traffic jams that could make things difficult for the crews competing in the event. Also there are not that many hotels (the whole region is full already with ERC event).

[dimviii]

It would be a dream to see the WRC drivers and cars in this region, but I think it will only remain a dream. The Barum Rally is probably the best organized event in ERC (and better organized than many WRC events). But being in central Europe the crowds would be huge, and I don't know if the region could take it. There are few access roads so getting from and to the stages is difficult, not even talking about traffic jams that could make things difficult for the crews competing in the event. Also there are not that many hotels (the whole region is full already with ERC event).

pitty,it would be a dream to watch Ogier/Tanak/Neuville etc at these amazing roads.

[Andre Oliveira]

“All ERC3 drivers had red flag. Franceschi stopped on stage and then continued, and after rally organizers changed only his time giving 1 extra minute to national time. It dropped him to 4th positon but still before Torn, what resulted that Llarena jump to 1st place. In this way they destroyed Torn Championship and rally win to Franceschi. After rally the evidences that Llarena had puncture on last stage come out, but stewards did not change his time and penalized only Franceschi and Torn in result. There is lot of question marks:
1. Why they looked only on Franceschi stage time and changed it
2. Why they add him 1 minute? If they add more then Torn would have won the title
3. Why they did not penalized Llarena for driving on puncture? There is gps evidence that Erik Cais was faster 12 sec on the spl,it than Llarena who had puncture and would have lost more for sure. Be aware that before the stage Cais had only 5.6 sec drop to Llarena and he will win the rally, what resulted again in Torn winning champion title.

FIA ERC should be equal to all competitors what means that or they are giving the same time to everybody or panalized each single driver if had a problem on canceled stage.

This is how Champion title is stolen due to not fair play game.”

[Mirek]

As far as I understood from Franceschis comment his time was changed based on a protest from certain competitor (Peugeot, Llarena?) - that's answer to your first question why only one time was changed.

Franceschi clearly said they were stopped three times for an overall time roughly equal to one minute. This is answer to your question number 2.

Hard to answer the third question without knowing more. Either nobody protested against Llarena's time (hard to believe) or the GSP data didn't show anything so exceptional to change his time by some small margin and to move Cais to the first place. Take into account that if Llarena was 12 seconds slower than Cais on let's say 15 km it's less than 0,5 s/km which means he was still faster than majority of R2 drivers hence there is hardly any reason to make an exceptional change of his time compared to the others. That is something completely different than a competitor standing for one minute here and there and obviously having big problems to even move.

If the car is stopped it's very clear from the GPS. Similar thing happened with Kostka and Mareš after Gryazin's crash. Mareš slowed down but probably didn't stop completely - he got no time back. Kostka clearly stopped at Gryazin (as shown on the onboard in one of the Mediasport videos) and his time was later adjusted.

[Andre Oliveira]

I added the ""

Not mine the words ;)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

this event must be a WRC round!

If you want a great new tarmac rally in WRC, the nearest thing could be if Rally GB moves to Northern Ireland.

Barum is too small as stated and exciting enough with just R5 cars.

[Rally Power]

(...)
FIA ERC should be equal to all competitors what means that or they are giving the same time to everybody or panalized each single driver if had a problem on canceled stage.
This is how Champion title is stolen due to not fair play game.”

Without the confirmation that Llarena got his puncture before the red flag it seems hard to say Torn was robbed; still, it’s quite a shame to see an exciting ERC3 Junior championship being decided behind the curtain.

To add more confusion to this matter, Llarena said to AS that Franceschi was stoping to let Torn pass him on the stage but the red flag changed their tactic (which seems a bit strange as it’d be easier to halt just once, rather than several times…). https://as.com/motor/2019/08/19/mas_motor/1566223693_869093.html

Btw, Llarena is entered by the spanish ASN (RFEA) under the Rally Team Spain badge; having the RFEA pressuring the organizers to change a direct (privately entered) competitor notional time, while avoiding his own time to be changed due to the flat tyre issue, was probably vital for Llarena’s late success.

[m-ast]

Btw, Llarena is entered by the spanish ASN (RFEA) under the Rally Team Spain badge; having the RFEA pressuring the organizers to change a direct (privately entered) competitor notional time, while avoiding his own time to be changed due to the flat tyre issue, was probably vital for Llarena’s late success.

Torn is also entered by the Estonian ASN, so I not see any point on this comment of an ASN pressuring the organizers

[Rally Power]

Torn is also entered by the Estonian ASN, so I not see any point on this comment of an ASN pressuring the organizers

Was Estonian ASN president there? Maybe I'm wrong, but isn't the guy in the middle the RFEA president?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ECR1KQsXsAAD_cz.jpg:large

[m-ast]

Was Estonian ASN president there? Maybe I'm wrong, but isn't the guy in the middle the RFEA president?


You are correct in the second question and I don't know the first one, but obviously I don't think the Spanish president has the power to pressure a foreign organiser with he has no relation.

[Hartusvuori]

Loubet in Finland was much much deeper and there where three stumps...

Those Arai pictures show that audience didn´t even try...

and yes, it´s very to shoud from sofa :)

Just catching up with this thread. Loubet - well, about the same distance off road, but Arai's car was in a much steeper angle. If you look at the Loubet rescue video, he drives back up mostly. Arai on the other hand, about 45 degree angle, that's very hard to pull a car back up. And what Mirek says, this is a high speed place with most of the crews just coming. Loubet's place with a warning was relatively safe to rescue.

You can judge fellow spectators for not trying from home, but please don't do it publicly.

[sb7]

pitty,it would be a dream to watch Ogier/Tanak/Neuville etc at these amazing roads.

Tänak and Neuville have been already there in IRC era. However didn't drive WRC but S2000, which is a big difference. ;) As far as I remember organizers were trying to candidate this rally to be WRC event but they left it later. Maybe Czech guys can confirm my memo.

[tommeke_B]

On that place Ilka Minor already said they wouldn't even restart on sunday. Hiroki was blaming the tyres for the crash... It's not like they were asking someone to push them back on the road. Also with that angle the car was in, and all the bushes around it, you would need a rope to pull the car out of the deep ditch.

[Jarek Z]

As far as I remember organizers were trying to candidate this rally to be WRC event but they left it later. Maybe Czech guys can confirm my memo.

Yes. According to this article Barum Rally was a candidate for the WRC in 2005:
http://skoda.tj/en/motorsport/rally/2014-barum-czech-rally-zlin

[Mirek]

Tänak and Neuville have been already there in IRC era. However didn't drive WRC but S2000, which is a big difference. ;) As far as I remember organizers were trying to candidate this rally to be WRC event but they left it later. Maybe Czech guys can confirm my memo.

Pluto can say more but at some point there were WRC ambitions indeed. I think that it would be realistically possible only if Škoda entered WRC but as Tommeke said the infrastructure would be an issue for sure. I honestly can't imagine let's say 2x more spectators than now.

[Coach 2]

“All ERC3 drivers had red flag. Franceschi stopped on stage and then continued, and after rally organizers changed only his time giving 1 extra minute to national time. It dropped him to 4th positon but still before Torn, what resulted that Llarena jump to 1st place. In this way they destroyed Torn Championship and rally win to Franceschi. After rally the evidences that Llarena had puncture on last stage come out, but stewards did not change his time and penalized only Franceschi and Torn in result. There is lot of question marks:
1. Why they looked only on Franceschi stage time and changed it
2. Why they add him 1 minute? If they add more then Torn would have won the title
3. Why they did not penalized Llarena for driving on puncture? There is gps evidence that Erik Cais was faster 12 sec on the spl,it than Llarena who had puncture and would have lost more for sure. Be aware that before the stage Cais had only 5.6 sec drop to Llarena and he will win the rally, what resulted again in Torn winning champion title.

FIA ERC should be equal to all competitors what means that or they are giving the same time to everybody or panalized each single driver if had a problem on canceled stage.

This is how Champion title is stolen due to not fair play game.”

Things like this has happened before. In WRC too, with Ogier on a punkture before red flag.
It is all about what you can or have proof of.

1. Franceschi is or have been overtaken by the car that started behind him, before red flag. With proof.
2. The proof is has been overtaken, nut he could be going one behind him. That make the minute.
3. Now proof of Llaren have a punkture before red flag.
When he saw the red flag, he new the chapionship was over, he maybe lost his conesentration and then got the punkture. WHAT DO WE NOW.

My humble opinoin.
You can not call that stolen, you do not now enough.

[Ucci]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mobksISVvzk&feature=youtu.be&t=390

Mirek, what is Kostka saying?

[Coach 2]

Furuseth did this rally maybe fourth time. Franceschi was here for the first time, Llarena second time and they were both faster. Torn was here also for the first time. That makes a huge difference here. For me Franceschi was the most impressive driver of the weekend.

Furuseth 3 time. First year the car let him down on the last stage the first day. I think he would have been in the lead.
Second year the car let him down on the first stage the first day, and one the first stage the second day.
So he has newer don the sunday stages, and this year some saturday stages was different from two years ago.
So to say he has big exsperience from this rally is an overstatement.

But I do agree, Francechi was very impressiv, Llarena and Cais too.

[Mirek]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mobksISVvzk&feature=youtu.be&t=390

Mirek, what is Kostka saying?

He was in a very good mood. He said he was happy especially about Sunday. He said he had to learn the car a bit during Friday and Saturday and that the car is still very new and that he was confident it would be definitely faster next year when more experience with suspension setup is gained. Nevertheless he praised the team of his brother-in-law that everything worked perfect. The reporter asked him (jokingly) if he could get on the podium if there was another leg. He said something like "hard to say, we could also end in the forest" :) At the end he was asked if he would bring the current Fiesta WRC to Rally Vsetín as he promised after Kopná and he said he would if the car is free (due to date collision with Catalunya).

[Jarek Z]

they have enough cars, in Barum 2 bodyshells wrecked, but few more waiting.

Apparently not enough ;)
Gryazin pulls out from Rally Turkey. They won't fix the crashed car from Barum:
https://gryazin.com/gryazin_will_miss_wrc_turkey

[Ucci]

He was in a very good mood. He said he was happy especially about Sunday. He said he had to learn the car a bit during Friday and Saturday and that the car is still very new and that he was confident it would be definitely faster next year when more experience with suspension setup is gained. Nevertheless he praised the team of his brother-in-law that everything worked perfect. The reporter asked him (jokingly) if he could get on the podium if there was another leg. He said something like "hard to say, we could also end in the forest" :) At the end he was asked if he would bring the current Fiesta WRC to Rally Vsetín as he promised after Kopná and he said he would if the car is free (due to date collision with Catalunya).

Thank you!

[Rallyper]

You can judge fellow spectators for not trying from home, but please don't do it publicly.

What´s wrong?

I think this forum is well suited for all comments around rallying. Also subjects like the one on Arai´s off. So in the future I´ll be glad seeing people go publicly also with comments like these, from home.

I started it... ;)

[Mirek]

I also think that it's perfectly ok to discuss the matter here on the forum. It could look easy to recover the car but honestly I am not so suicidal to do that myself in that place and I don't think that slowing the others down because of the car which doesn't block the road is a good idea either.

[Mirek]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ECU-bJ8XsAsHWlT?format=jpg&name=large

Just for info. This photo is taken in village Vlčková roughly 4 km before the place where Vlček crashed and 5,5 km before the stage finish (i.e. around 20 km from the start). If I am not mistaken six cars started to the stage between Vlček and Llarena. It's possible that by that time the stage was already red flagged for him.

[Rally Power]

You are correct in the second question and I don't know the first one, but obviously I don't think the Spanish president has the power to pressure a foreign organiser with he has no relation.

Manuel Avino (RFEA President) is far from being a John Doe; he’s a titular member of the WMSC, FIA’s most important motorsport ruling body.

Let’s be clear: a last minute complaint is always a stressful issue for an organizer to judge, especially when it evolves a title result. I’m not saying the organizer decision was wrong or unfair but it’s more than obvious that it was quite useful for Llarena to have RFEA top officials directly supporting him in this situation.

Anyway, both Llarena and Torn deserve to be praised for their brave efforts through the whole season and hopefully they’ll have a bright future in the sport. Fingers crossed for them.

[Mirek]

Another nice videos:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HA2N4-bME3w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwDbHiEic2s

[dimviii]

best photo so far belongs to Jan

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ECbBk2vWkAAhzPD?format=jpg&name=large

[Kestask]

https://youtu.be/osmBSyA6EA0 Semetin : real Gryazin vs RBR simulator

[HaCo]

https://youtu.be/osmBSyA6EA0 Semetin : real Gryazin vs RBR simulator

Woooooow that's amaaazing!!!

These guys shoud be crowdfunded to make more tarmac rally's, would love to try Ypres Rally!

[Mirek]

You can support them if you like here: http://rbr.onlineracing.cz/?act=al&p=donations

Václav Šourek is author of this stage (and several others, some real some fictional but also great).

[Mirek]

best photo so far belongs to Jan

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ECbBk2vWkAAhzPD?format=jpg&name=large

Here is Tarabus from the same place also nicely on two wheels (different run): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBOBsWcywlA&feature=youtu.be&t=57

[marcosg]

https://youtu.be/s6WXoTZjHH4

[Jarek Z]

Gryazin explains his philosophy in a clear way - "It's better to crash on the first stage than be slow the whole weekend" :)

Mattias Adielsson says that sometimes it is good to be slow the whole weekend ;)
https://www.fiaerc.com/why-being-bad-was-good-for-erc-junior-adielsson/

[Mirek]

He wasn't that slow at the beginning (at least he didn't look that slow) and with his budget it's quite understandable approach. AFAIK he had two or three punctures which also threw him way back to a position where fighting for anything was useless.

[the sniper]

Mattias Adielsson says that sometimes it is good to be slow the whole weekend ;)
https://www.fiaerc.com/why-being-bad-was-good-for-erc-junior-adielsson/

It all makes sense now... :D

[RS]

c3 is not near a fabia at bumpy sections.All fabias are stable,c3 nervous specially at back,and not only at hard brakings at bumpy,but even midcorner.

It looks like especially Kopecky with his new car ran quite soft suspension for these bumpy roads, which creates quite a lot of dive under breaking, but because of the Fabia's huge rear suspension travel they are able to do this whilst rear wheels stay in contact with the ground.

https://www.ewrc.cz/images/2019/photos/barum_czech_rally_zlin_2019/zk_imgp0687.jpg

[Mirek]

Great atmospheric photos from Nowi: https://www.rallylife.cz/barum-czech-rally-zlin-2019/

Some more nice footage: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_q-tNzBdCwc

[Mirek]

Only now I checked the Opel Adam Cup results. The guys drove only the first leg and despite one of the stages was canceled for them (due to the crash of Melengari) the winner of all 2019 Czech events Dominik Stříteský won by over 2 minutes :eek: I hope he can step to the R2 soon.

[Mirek]

New onboards:

Pech SS5 Kostelany with a wild jump at 2:20 (after that Pech says "I'll slow down, ok? and Uhel answers: "No, I just read slow" :D ):https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CV6SApGSovE
Kostka SS10 Maják with a big moment at 1:42 (video title is wrong on youtube): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkNbSopVhuA

[Mirek]

Some more
Kostka SS14 Pindula, brutally bumpy classic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kw0JfueF59I
Pech SS7 Semetín with the best camera position: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLoaxgjXwNo
Jakeš SS11 Pindula with broken wheel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhanI5-iv28
Jakeš SS10 Maják: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rorXHwesAY
Březík SS15 Kašava, the longest stage of the rally and a pretty crazy one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqc8Ox0prKc

[PLuto]

He wasn't that slow at the beginning (at least he didn't look that slow) and with his budget it's quite understandable approach. AFAIK he had two or three punctures which also threw him way back to a position where fighting for anything was useless.

I think in the final it was six punctures during the race... So in the final it was more important for him to finish the rally and score some points for junior championship.

[Mirek]

238 people enlisted themselves as potential bone marrow donors during Barum Rally. Altogether through the several years of this project Barum Rally brought 3169 potential bone marrow donors into the national register (3-4% of all).

[Mirek]

Crash of Marczyk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zH4WsjM4qs8

[Got Mail]

Crash of Marczyk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zH4WsjM4qs8

Looks like wrong or misheard note.

[Mirek]

Vlček released onboard from his crash: https://www.facebook.com/MartinVlcekRider/videos/474545696712592/

[Jarek Z]

Looks like wrong or misheard note.

You are right. Marczyk said in an interview that they had a mistake in their pacenotes.

[Mirek]

Jarek, do You remember this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDnfjNbAWsw

That's same place as Vlček, 13 years a go. Solowow was extremely lucky. He somehow managed to miss several rows of trees and even get back on the road with help from the spectators :)

[Jarek Z]

Jarek, do You remember this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDnfjNbAWsw

That's same place as Vlček, 13 years a go. Solowow was extremely lucky. He somehow managed to miss several rows of trees and even get back on the road with help from the spectators :)

No, I didn't remember this. It's a dangerous bumpy section.

[Mirek]

Finally onboard of Mareš from the last stage!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67znbh9rtJk

[Mirek]

FIA rejected the appeal of M-Sport regarding the junior championship results on the basis that everything what was presented was already known to M-Sport in time to put a protest directly in time in Zlín when they should have acted instead. Llarena is now officially the champion.
https://www.czechrally.com/wcd/docs/2019/bcrz_2019_2.5_stewards-decision-2.pdf

[Mirek]

This time it took a very long time for JNK to put their videos from the event online but nevertheless they are out. Take a beer and get back to the rally mood :)

Friday: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ix8nTk1J6BU
Saturday: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBB-WLXRwRY
Sunday: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WUX-BrBkuc

Historics (crazy Ladas etc. worth watching and @ 3:12 Tommeke vs. Lada :D ): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fuzz7BDqI5Y