[WRC] Wales Rally GB 2019

[EstWRC]

they dont let other car start again? Evans sill the the startline

[Rallyper]

If you were Tommi do u tell Meeke to push to stay ahead of Ogier or stay in safe zone for Manu point's

"Go on like this" I´d say. Not saying "push", but also not saying "stay safe".

[AnttiL]

Latvala seemed to jump too long into the bank with spectators standing on it, maybe they want to fix that

[AnttiL]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EGCpXE3XoAEqilC?format=jpg&name=medium

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Nice run Teemu !

[tomhlord]

Holy cow.

[Eli]

Why can't we see the stage end for Temmu & Co.????

[Rallyper]

Two careers ending this season was decided today. One of them didn´t even start properly...

[EstWRC]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EGCqGZfWoAA2964?format=jpg&name=large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EGCqJpnWkAI2gHX?format=jpg&name=large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EGCqK70WwAErveD?format=jpg&name=large

[AnttiL]

More images of Latvala crash

https://twitter.com/Brad84MJ/status/1180130222533947392

[Lead]

Is stage delayed? Whats going on?

[meh]

Is stage delayed? Whats going on?

Need to check Latvala and Anttila.

[TypeR]

https://www.upload.ee/image/10556337/tommi.jpg

[Eli]

Is stage delayed? Whats going on?

From what I've heard, they've stopped the stage (just like they did in the morning but this time it's Latvala's crash which is causing this) and next up is SS8- Slate Mountain.

[EstWRC]

Latvala https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRoSIILH6jk

man i have seen so many times people standing in dangerous places today and yesterday

[wia5958]

Looks like quite a big 1

[wia5958]

Ridiculous spot to stand

[Japé]

JML's car seems to be quite ok based to video, all tires on right places etc

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Latvala crash the same place Evans slid this morning covering the fans with mud...

[EstWRC]

stage delayed by 15 minutes

[Fast Eddie WRC]

It's all happening out there...


North Wales Police @NWPolice

We're receiving complaints regarding the manner of driving of some @WalesRallyGB competitors and are liaising with the organisers.

Police Officers are out and about. This is a reminder that ALL drivers need to adhere to the rules of the road.

@OfficialWRC @fia #WRGB #StaySafe

[EstWRC]

what a mess there since yesterday, lol

i remeber someone tweeting that shakedown organizing was bad already

[PLuto]

SS 7 cancelled, SS 8 delayed for 15 minutes

[Fast Eddie WRC]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EGCti00WkAEieP_?format=jpg&name=medium

[dimviii]

Lost engine for Mads after oil leaking

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Matt Endean @MattEndeanRally

If you think this is an appropriate place to spectate on a rally, then please do not turn up. Stay at home and let the real rally fans enjoy the event.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EGCOlsRW4AA8Aqf?format=jpg&name=large

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Real shame for Matt Edwards on his home event... :(
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EGCUqvdWwAcq8Y_?format=jpg&name=medium

[mknight]

Again a real dilemma on what times Breen and Evans should get. They lost quite a bit of time on the stage before, but so did Suninen who got 2nd time in this stage. So how to decide what they should get now? I would say giving him them better than Neuville's time wouldn't be fair.

[EstWRC]

so the night stages will be dlayed too now i guess ?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

New vid of Evans where JML crashed
https://youtu.be/0g9B6hTE6LQ

[SubaruNorway]

Oliver broke a rim in a hole in the middle of the road and then got stuck driving to the edge of the road, not broken steering like first reported https://parcferme.no/rally/oliver-om-wales-exiten-fredag-jeg-hadde-bare-lyst-til-a-grine/?fbclid=IwAR1OPe6-rRCHp7s8nID5xLbV2D5graJQPDpQGME-ztWfRGKBe2TYTVjMvw4

Properly stuck
https://www.nrk.no/ostfold/oliver-solberg-ble-staende-i-veikanten-mens-faren-suste-forbi-1.14729193?fbclid=IwAR08j-xR6nO8bAcUS1hu0dUovQpLSAYqXdhkhosW5bcx_nJfgGKktCEy cTU

[Lead]

New vid of Evans where JML crashed
https://youtu.be/0g9B6hTE6LQ

Those spectators are completely crazy...

[TypeR]

this joke stage could be driven without notes :D

[KKS]

this joke stage could be driven without notes :D
I want see roadbook page with finish of this. Ogier seems out of rally route.

[KKS]

oum... Neuville too

[denkimi]

this joke stage could be driven without notes :D
most superspecials can.

on those stages it should be a rule that the copilot films everything live on facebook instead of reading notes. :p

[EstWRC]

Ogier and Neuville taking the wrong line on finish line

[steve.mandzij]

Poor Jari Matti, that place looked like a bit of a gamble to go off...

I'm not sure that's gonna do his career any favors.

[PLuto]

so the night stages will be dlayed too now i guess ?

There is regroup before, so it can go back to previous time.

[EstWRC]

Mikkelsen too with the wrong line

[KKS]

They should be all penalized, except Tanak

[mknight]

If they start giving 20s penalties we might get more time difference from how drivers drive AFTER the finish line on a 1km stage than how they drive trough whole day on stages....

[EstWRC]

Meeke with the right line!!!

man this will be controversial, im sure

[TypeR]

would be fair, as Tänak, Meeke and Mads got penalized for going from wrong side of a post in Argentina

[EstWRC]

i think it would be only if Toyota protests?

i thnk it was Citroen who protested in Argentina?

[Eli]

But it's after the stage end? isn't it? I mean, if it's after they finish it, it doesn't affect the time.

[BigWorm]

But it's after the stage end? isn't it? I mean, if it's after they finish it, it doesn't affect the time.

Does though. They need to slow down on the straight leading to the chicane if they take it properly

[EstWRC]

But it's after the stage end? isn't it? I mean, if it's after they finish it, it doesn't affect the time.

yep it doesnt make a big difference timewise, i dont know the exact rules if they must take thw right line

but in case of the ones who take it right, they have to brake a little while the ones who go straight dont have to.


you could also see Mikkelsen codriver explaning something to Andreas after finish, i think it was it

[KKS]

We need see roadbook page to make some conclusion

[meh]

I would just call it "stupid solution". It's not clear for drivers and now to start deciding rally (and maybe championship) results based on that is just stupid.

Too much mess there.

[AnttiL]

You need to follow the road book even on the liaisons. But the finish line should have been after the chicane, it's stupid like this.

[Tarmop]

No...just the time penalty shouldn`t be that big.

[mknight]

would be fair, as Tänak, Meeke and Mads got penalized for going from wrong side of a post in Argentina

That was in the stage and in the roadbook. This wasn't in the stage and we dunno yet what the roadbook said.




you could also see Mikkelsen codriver explaning something to Andreas after finish, i think it was it

Mikkelsen stalled after the finish line avoiding the hale balls and his codriver asked what happened (with the stall).

[AnttiL]

Østberg was late in the service, had an oil leak, fixed it, but had to retire with loss of power in the engine

[KKS]

I would just call it "stupid solution". It's not clear for drivers and now to start deciding rally (and maybe championship) results based on that is just stupid.

Too much mess there.
Nope. You must not thinking that you smarter than others. Only Ogier is smartass and can make it, all other just follow it after watching on WRC+

[Fast Eddie WRC]

I thought it was the wrong line taken at the finish, but then they all seemed to do it so I thought it was just me ...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Mads Østberg
@MadsOstberg

⚠️ Retired ⚠️ An easy service went wrong, and we had an oil leak on our way out as a consequence from the service. We managed to find it and fix it, but now there is another issue. I have no power in the engine. The maximum time is out, so that's it. @walesrallygb is over #gutted

[mknight]

View from Ogier going to the Finish line.

Arrow points left, but on the left side of the green bale is also left from the arrow.

Anyway roadbook/recce should decide, as mentioned the whole setup of putting finish line "ahead" of a chicane is retarded in the first place.
Also great that we don't see more than first 6 cars trough...

[tc10a]

It is complete clear what was the correct route. There is even an arrrow sign there pointing to the left. All going straight for sure will be penalized as they got an advantage. Also the liaison starts after the finish timecontrol.

[Katvala]

Are we really getting the slow replays and terrible music between stage end and interview for every car now? That's awful. That was for me another thing that made all live better than live tv, the lack of that. Not the case now it seems..

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[Fast Eddie WRC]

Are we really getting the slow replays and terrible music between stage end and interview for every car now? That's awful. That was for me another thing that made all live better than live tv, the lack of that. Not the case now it seems..

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Rally GB is all being shown live on TV in the UK, so maybe that's why...

[wia5958]

https://www.facebook.com/groups/WRGBforum/permalink/3301560163202539?sfns=mo

[BigWorm]

No...just the time penalty shouldn`t be that big.

Would probably be 10s

[AnttiL]

According to this guy, no protest will be made https://twitter.com/LPaanala/status/1180154165835771905

[mknight]

As it is after the finish line they could even drive "straight" on full throttle, then turn around and go on the left side again and still getting better time, ridiculous.

[PLuto]

Yes, there is no place for penalty as that haybale was after finish line. It is stupidity from organisers to made finish like this...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Next stage at 18.31UK ...

[Rally Power]

Yes, there is no place for penalty as that haybale was after finish line. It is stupidity from organisers to made finish like this...

Besides being after the finish line, that chicane is a total mess as there should be no open space among the final bales; it certainly doesn’t cope with FIA chicane design rules.

Anyway it would be a disgrace for the sport to ruin a fantastic figth because of a terrible chicane on a useless SSS.

[PLuto]

SS 9 and 10 delayed for 20 min

[AnttiL]

WRC+ onboards for the morning loop are up. You can go check Suninen's moment on Dyfnant at 0:45. Quite lucky not to roll the car

[EstWRC]

any fog expected on the night stages ?

[steve.mandzij]

WRC+ onboards for the morning loop are up. You can go check Suninen's moment on Dyfnant at 0:45. Quite lucky not to roll the carI wonder if the Yaris might be unstable compared to the Fiesta, for instance. Both Latvala and Meeke have rolled various times this year while Suninen Evans have at times gotten away with high speed near rolls.

[AnttiL]

Latvala won't restart tomorrow. Rollcage damage

https://twitter.com/TGR_WRC/status/1180157331297968130

[Whinlatter]

A few weeks ago there was a story in Motorsport News about how great it is that Rally GB ticket sales were massively up on last year - which from a commercial point of view is true, but unfortunately the more fans who come, then even if only 0.1% of them are d*ckheads, the numbers of d*ckheads who stand in stupid places will go up - it feels like that's what we're seeing today. Can't help thinking the amount of beer and weed being consumed by some people will dull their judgement too....

[KKS]

According to this guy, no protest will be made https://twitter.com/LPaanala/status/1180154165835771905
Perfect! Now we should have a protest to force drivers run according roadbook. No protest - do what ever you want. Rules - for loosers :/

[KKS]

As it is after the finish line they could even drive "straight" on full throttle, then turn around and go on the left side again and still getting better time, ridiculous.
Nope. But if they they reverse and join at same point - it will be according the rules.

[Rally Power]

Amazing (title) figth also in JWRC; Kristensson is now 3.7s ahead of Solans.

[KKS]

Amazing (title) figth also in JWRC; Kristensson is now 3.7s ahead of Solans.
Open question is about winning stage points for cancelled stages. They will not count at all those stages?

[Norm75]

Yes, there is no place for penalty as that haybale was after finish line. It is stupidity from organisers to made finish like this...disagree a little there.
I only really saw Meeke and Mikkelsen go over the finish line, didn't watch any of the runners before or after, but it was clear that Kris had to slow down a lot more than Andreas going over the finish line when taking the correct route. It will be in the road book so the drivers will know what line to take and some have deviated from that, as Kris and one or two others did with the gate post earlier this season.
Fully agree it is stupid place to put the chicane though.

[AnttiL]

As it is after the finish line they could even drive "straight" on full throttle, then turn around and go on the left side again and still getting better time, ridiculous.

Are you allowed to do that between finish line and stop control?

[AnttiL]

Latvala's moment on SS2 is at 6:25 on the onboard. Not even that much of a moment, it's like the car turns too much and he goes to the ditch on the inside after the tight corner, but gets instantly out.

[AnttiL]

I can confirm that the Slate Mountain finish line chicane is in the road book.

[Allez Andruet]

Why All Live is not live? SS9 should be running? Or have I missed something?

[EstWRC]

Why All Live is not live? SS9 should be running? Or have I missed something?

delayed, starts 18.30 local, 20.30 our time

[Fast Eddie WRC]

I could see a clear difference as soon as Ogier finished and took a straighter line than Tanak. It looked quite dodgy.

[Allez Andruet]

delayed, starts 18.30 local, 20.30 our time

Oh, thanks :) So no need to throw the laptop out of the window then.

[AnttiL]

Oh, thanks :) So no need to throw the laptop out of the window then.

Yeah, go pick it up.

[meh]

It's all down to comparing moments... Molly is quite enjoyable to listen on ALL Live :)

[satukata]

Now real Rally starts. Love night stages

[EstWRC]

i thought it is darker

[Mirek]

disagree a little there.
I only really saw Meeke and Mikkelsen go over the finish line, didn't watch any of the runners before or after, but it was clear that Kris had to slow down a lot more than Andreas going over the finish line when taking the correct route. It will be in the road book so the drivers will know what line to take and some have deviated from that, as Kris and one or two others did with the gate post earlier this season.
Fully agree it is stupid place to put the chicane though.

That changes nothing on what Pluto wrote. You can go like crazy through the flying finish and subsequently go off behind the finish on a normal stage as well and it's perfectly legal. Placing a chicane behind the finish is just stupid and ridiculous.

[KKS]

Ott wide couple of times... real push

[Mirek]

i thought it is darker

They are two thousand kilometers to the west from you ;)

[Mirek]

First stage I'm watching live today and I have to say that the onboard quality is much better than in most of the previous events. Nice stage too.

[Lead]

Tanak goes for it!

[EstWRC]

Ott finally decided to show his speed

[Allez Andruet]

Tänak going all-in.

[nafpaktos]

Hi i am thinking to go tomorrow to the rally (last moment decision). The online tickets are not available, is it possible to buy them in the stage???? tickets can also be bought on SP but thi is not convinient, so if i can buy them in the stage i will go otherwise stay home.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

i thought it is darker

Its light here til 7pm. Thats why running the spectator stage last night in the dark was so unnecessary.

[Allez Andruet]

Toyota 1-2 after this stage?

[EstWRC]

Tänak seemed to be worried about something, damn

[Norm75]

That changes nothing on what Pluto wrote. You can go like crazy through the flying finish and subsequently go off behind the finish on a normal stage as well and it's perfectly legal. Placing a chicane behind the finish is just stupid and ridiculous.
Of course it does if it's clearly stated in the road book that you have to navigate through the chicane. Cutting it is an unfair advantage against those sticking to the rule book.
I get your point, we have seen in the past cars going off into fields after the flying finish, but in those cases there probably is nothing in the road book to say you can't do that.

[PLuto]

Are you allowed to do that between finish line and stop control?

yes

[AnttiL]

i thought it is darker

Will be on the next one

[Norm75]

i thought it is darker

When the rally was run in November it was after the clocks moved forward an hour so always used to be darker.
Other than that, don't forget that to cameras always make it appear lighter than it actually is.

[AnttiL]

Rain forecasted again for tomorrow

https://www.yr.no/place/United_Kingdom/Wales/Pennant~2640441/hour_by_hour.html

[Allez Andruet]

Geez, that time of Tänak's was really something.

[AnttiL]

yes

As long as you don't stop?

[Allez Andruet]

Come on Thierry... "he was six minutes ahead" :o And then people accuse the ever-classy Ogier for "whining".

[AnttiL]

Now suddenly on Mikkelsen's onboard it looks properly dark...it happens so fast. In the morning Tänak might have suffered from the dark on SS2, but now he benefits.

[mousti]

Bad time for Neuville ...

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[EstWRC]

Now suddenly on Mikkelsen's onboard it looks properly dark...it happens so fast. In the morning Tänak might have suffered from the dark on SS2, but now he benefits.

but looks like different world from Meekes onboard now,

[AnttiL]

but looks like different world from Meekes onboard now,

It also changes from place to another, in the woods it's darker.

[Allez Andruet]

Tänak leading after today. No doubt.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

When the rally was run in November it was after the clocks moved forward an hour so always used to be darker.
Other than that, don't forget that to cameras always make it appear lighter than it actually is.

Yep... it was going dark by 4pm and many stages had to be in the dark.

[EstWRC]

Meeke looks like he has been in sauna, lol

[dimviii]

Geez, that time of Tänak's was really something.

was almost same time as his first pass,just some tenths faster. Neuville and Ogier were slower from first pass ,7sec for Neuville and 3 for Ogier

[noel157]

Matt Endean @MattEndeanRally

If you think this is an appropriate place to spectate on a rally, then please do not turn up. Stay at home and let the real rally fans enjoy the event.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EGCOlsRW4AA8Aqf?format=jpg&name=large

Crazy:

Check the time stamp bottom left:

Zero seconds

https://i.imgur.com/RaNCrPE.jpg

4 seconds

https://i.imgur.com/Pnjzglq.jpg

7 seconds

https://i.imgur.com/wk2OPY6.jpg

[noel157]

Tänak leading after today. No doubt.

0.6 off.

[AnttiL]

We can see the times getting slower and slower because of the falling darkness

[AnttiL]

0.6 off.

One stage to go

[Allez Andruet]

0.6 off.

Not after the next one.

[EstWRC]

this is actually so unfair for others compared to first starters

[Allez Andruet]

Bad split from Breen, slower than Tidemand.

[surdna]

Tänak leading after today. No doubt.

lets see, i have noticed that darkness is Tänaks weakness

[noel157]

One stage to go

Yep, was just an update supporting your prediction.

[Mise]

Pontus likes the darkness. At least now he has a reason for his lack of pace. ;)

[Mirek]

this is actually so unfair for others compared to first starters

IMHO that is part of the game.

We have night stages on basically every rally here in CZ and the night runs are not generally slower. The top drivers are regularly faster in the second night runs than in the first day runs (if it's not too dirty but than it's another reason). Maybe it's different on gravel but the night alone shall not be a reason to be slower.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

The delay has done the later runners no favours here...

[Katvala]

In the original itinerary there would be more similar conditions for the WRC class

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[Ds3]

Tanak stoped 0km......

[AnttiL]

Whoa, Greensmith retired.

[surdna]

this is actually so unfair for others compared to first starters

morning was other way around

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ahh no, Greensmith with a technical. :(

[Mirek]

Greensmith out, technical issue on the road section. Both works Fiestas Mk.II out...

[Mirek]

Rovanperä in troubles? Very slow...

[AnttiL]

Kalle's splits are slow, puncture?

[Mirek]

From the onboard either puncture or transmission issues.

What a good luck in bad luck for him with Ostberg and Greensmith retired...

[Katvala]

Tänak stopped on tracker roadside for a while now, with Meeke passing him now (if it's accurate or not I don't know)
Fixing something or an issue perhaps?

Edit: oh moving again now

[KKS]

Tänak stopped on tracker roadside for a while now, with Meeke passing him now (if it's accurate or not I don't know)
Fixing something or an issue perhaps?

Edit: oh moving again now
"No, all fine" moment )

[EstWRC]

Tänak stopped on tracker roadside for a while now, with Meeke passing him now (if it's accurate or not I don't know)
Fixing something or an issue perhaps?

Edit: oh moving again now

he does this quite often

[Mirek]

RR puncture for Kalle.

[mknight]

Now Tanak doing 120 on road section..

[Katvala]

I forgot to account for delay, so I thought he was about to be late. Seems to be of no worry

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[drive]

Come on Thierry... "he was six minutes ahead" :o And then people accuse the ever-classy Ogier for "whining".
And then comes Mikelsen even later, even faster... thats why my mates doesnt like Thierry: he is allways doing great, just 'something else' makes his times sometime not that great

[mknight]

Loubet might lead RC2, we will see. Still not expected that at all looking at the startlist.

[Katvala]

Now Tanak doing 120 on road section..Noticed. Overtook Mikkelsen and Meeke as well

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[Mirek]

Loubet might lead RC2, we will see. Still not expected that at all looking at the startlist.

Kopecký got ahead of him after this stage.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

They said Breen lost as much time in the dark than he lost all day !

[AnttiL]

Kopecky's safe approach is paying off. This is a rough rally for R5 cars.

[Mirek]

Kopecky's safe approach is paying off. This is a rough rally for R5 cars.

Strangely his safe approach made him destroy everyone else on this stage :eek: Tobe honest I would never expect him to do this srage time what he did now.

[Allez Andruet]

Game on.

[dimviii]

Olivers rim

http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_10_2019/post-3242-0-72591800-1570209503.jpg

[EstWRC]

insane commitment from Ott there on the fast part

[AnttiL]

insane commitment from Ott there on the fast part

I thought the same, that was crazy!

Ott confessed he lost the lights on the previous stage and had to fix on the road section

[AnttiL]

Strangely his safe approach made him destroy everyone else on this stage :eek: Tobe honest I would never expect him to do this srage time what he did now.

For others it was darker?

[EstWRC]

so Ott was fixing his lights on liason,

[Mirek]

For others it was darker?

I don't believe in that as I wrote before. Nobody is slower in the dark here where we have night stages in every rally. The only exception are old drivers with bad eyes.

[EstWRC]

Interesting "tactics" from Tänak, decided to push on the last two night stages

[Mirek]

Greensmith in SS9. Veeeery late but going.

[Sulland]

Big difference in light picture the works drivers and teams choose.
So far to me it looks like Citroens more conventional lamps gives best results vs LED bars.

[Mirek]

Big difference in light picture the works drivers and teams choose.
So far to me it looks like Citroens more conventional lamps gives best results vs LED bars.

You can't compare that without knowing that the cameras, their settings and placement and the windshield properties are same.

[EstWRC]

Great day Kris! Really Great!


and refering to some guys may get some pentalies instead or what was he talking about?

[AnttiL]

Great day Kris! Really Great!


and refering to some guys may get some pentalies instead or what was he talking about?

Slate Mountain finish line chicane?

[Allez Andruet]

Great day Kris! Really Great!

Atleast one of the Toyota wingmen is doing his job properly.

[EstWRC]

Slate Mountain finish line chicane?

Yep, he said there may be time changes

[Mirek]

Greensmith second fastest behind Kopecký (+12,5) in the SS9 so it looks like the car is ok now. He will only get a big time penalty for being late.

[Allez Andruet]

Well that would ruin the battle wouldn't it if Ogier and Neuville get penalties or something. Let's hope not.

[Eli]

What the hell???? why when you have half a field still to go you stop broadcasting??????

[Tarmop]

Well that would ruin the battle wouldn't it if Ogier and Neuville get penalties or something. Let's hope not.

Spice things up, as they two would have to push even more.
And after Argentia, it`s fair.

[mknight]

What the hell???? why when you have half a field still to go you stop broadcasting??????

The 20 min? delay prbly has a lot to do with it.

[wrc2017]

Well that would ruin the battle wouldn't it if Ogier and Neuville get penalties or something. Let's hope not.
Mexico.

[Allez Andruet]

So no onboards from the cancelled SS7 on WRC+? Nice job, very nice.

[trykmann]

Well that would ruin the battle wouldn't it if Ogier and Neuville get penalties or something. Let's hope not.

In Argentina Tänak and Meeke also recieved penalties for similar reasons.

[Eli]

The 20 min? delay prbly has a lot to do with it.

Probably....but still, you would expect them to at least get all the WRC cars....I'm guessing I'm expecting too much from them....

[Mirek]

In Argentina Tänak and Meeke also recieved penalties for similar reasons.

That was in stage there not behind the finish.

[Allez Andruet]

In Argentina Tänak and Meeke also recieved penalties for similar reasons.

Would still ruin the battle in Wales.

[KKS]

Yep, he said there may be time changes
Will be good to show to some "6 times" that he not going to be smartass anymore.

[ipe]

So Evans did second fastest time on final stage today but we didn't get to see it...

[KKS]

Would still ruin the battle in Wales.
to not ruin a battles - let's stick to the rules and all be fine. But someone decide he's a smarter.

[AnttiL]

So no onboards from the cancelled SS7 on WRC+? Nice job, very nice.

Maybe they're just not uploaded yet?

[Tarmop]

to not ruin a battles - let's stick to the rules and all be fine. But someone decide he's a smarter.

+10/20 seconds spices things up...

[EstWRC]

shame that Ott lost the 8 secs yesterday, otherwise the lead could be in double figures, or may be not because he wouldnt have pushed then...who knows

shame about Evans too, really good speed and he would be up there or even leading without the mistake.

[KKS]

Greensmith was a 26 places down the road order and start the stage. If it 2 min gap - there 52min of delay and you allow only 30 min delay into TC. How that was possible?

[EstWRC]

Meeke Kris - Marshall Sebastian

"I had a big slide and aquaplaned on some mud with the rear so I was a little cautious after that! It's not over yet - there will be a few time differences tonight I hope."

[Mirek]

Greensmith was a 26 places down the road order and start the stage. If it 2 min gap - there 52min of delay and you allow only 30 min delay into TC. How that was possible?

Only one minute long gaps between the cars because 2 minutes were only between WRC Pro (i.e. in this case only one gap between Greensmith's time and Kopecký).

[Allez Andruet]

Maybe they're just not uploaded yet?

But usually they're uploaded in chronological order. And SS8 is already online.

[PLuto]

Greensmith was 27 mins late in TC 9.

[KKS]

Only one minute long gaps between the cars because 2 minutes were only between WRC Pro (i.e. in this case only one gap between Greensmith's time and Kopecký).
check now on michelin site Greensmith target start time - 18:59, actual start 19:36. 37min but it's possible if he check into TC on time but stage commander sort out a road order. But still strange situation.

[mknight]

Slate mountain onboards are up. Suninen is the last driver to have the bales in the unclear position.
Between him and Tidemand someone (marshalls?) moved one of them so that you cant drive on the right side any more => but this also means that Tidemand, Breen and all later cars had a much more open chicane than the front runners

All in a big mess and seemingly totally unecessary as there was a lot of space to make the stage a bit longer.

[KKS]

Slate mountain onboards are up. Suninen is the last driver to have the bales in the unclear position.
Between him and Tidemand someone (marshalls?) moved one of them so that you cant drive on the right side any more => but this also means that Tidemand, Breen and all later cars had a much more open chicane than the front runners

All in a big mess and seemingly totally unecessary as there was a lot of space to make the stage a bit longer.
red strip will be better solution. To clear a right way and not open-up chicane for laterunners

[Mirek]

Is there a single person on this board who expected Kopecký to be lading R5 driver after leg 1, especially with such a super strong entry list?

[EstWRC]

"The Hay bale case"

Yes me Mirek.

[Allez Andruet]

Is there a single person on this board who expected Kopecký to be lading R5 driver after leg 1, especially with such a super strong entry list?

My poor bet was on Paddon, so definitely not me.

[Jeppe]

Is there a single person on this board who expected Kopecký to be lading R5 driver after leg 1, especially with such a super strong entry list?

No, but there is more to come. Anyway, it´s nice to see Jan (x2) still got the pace ;)

[Martin Liddle]

Only one minute long gaps between the cars because 2 minutes were only between WRC Pro (i.e. in this case only one gap between Greensmith's time and Kopecký).

Actually the first 8 cars through SS9 and SS10 were at 3 minute intervals.

[Allez Andruet]

Now onboards from SS7 are up.

[Mirek]

Actually the first 8 cars through SS9 and SS10 were at 3 minute intervals.

Thanks, that explains the question of KKS.

[Mirek]

Solans nearly 16 seconds faster than Kristensson in SS10!

[KKS]

Solans nearly 16 seconds faster than Kristensson in SS10!
It's mega time! Compare that they fighting for tenths all day.

[satukata]

I don´t like WRClive! they show stupid socialmedia tweets and they missed ss8 and ss10 after suninen.. pissed

[mknight]

I don´t like WRClive! they show stupid socialmedia tweets and they missed ss8 and ss10 after suninen.. pissed

Both are due to the delay. They kept to their TV schedule so now they have to fill time before the drivers actually come to the media zone.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

My friend Peter on Twitter earlier today speaks for the true rally fans:

Aberhirnant cancelled after only getting to see 8 cars. All due to some idiotic spectators. Now at Penmachno. If you're here too, don't be a dick, listen to the marshalls.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

These spectators got a stage stopped at Wales Rally GB today. Please repost! https://t.co/BVCGhgz1jS

[EstWRC]

AnttiL you were right...Tänak confirmed he had trouble with getting mud away from his windscreen and poor visibilty on the afternoon, said he hopes the designer can make miracles for tomorrow.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Lappi
We will restart tomorrow 👍 #WRC #Rally2 #RallyWalesGB #C3WRC #L4PPI
@CitroenRacing @OfficialWRC https://t.co/8ZBYrXin58

[EstWRC]

Meeke again mentioning the "hay bale" case...saying that there were a lot of complaints about him not following roadbook in Argentina and now the 3 guys here didnt follow it too. Says "One rule for all"

[Allez Andruet]

Solans nearly 16 seconds faster than Kristensson in SS10!

Anyone who witnessed his car-handling abilities on the Auto-Glym rally this summer wasn't surprised.

[satukata]

Meeke again mentioning the "hay bale" case...saying that there were a lot of complaints about him not following roadbook in Argentina and now the 3 guys here didnt follow it too. Says "One rule for all"

3 guys?

[TypeR]

3 guys?
Ogier, Neuville Mikkelsen

[mknight]

Ogier says it was different than in roadbook and in recce. Saying there was 1 bale in roadbook but 2 in the stage.
Neuville says also it was moved since recce.

[Rally Power]

to not ruin a battles - let's stick to the rules and all be fine. But someone decide he's a smarter.

Check page 65 of FIA rally guidelines: https://www.wrc.com/fileadmin/upload/PDF/WRC/19_02_21_fia_rally_guidelines_2019_def_en.pdf

How can penalties be imposed if that chicane didn’t match FIA standarts? Crews can’t be penalized for the organizers wrongdoing, even if it was printed on the roadbook.

[EstWRC]

Ogier says it was different than in roadbook and in recce. Saying there was 1 bale in roadbook but 2 in the stage.
Neuville says also it was moved since recce.

but how come Tänak, Meeke and Suninen drove it the right way then?

anyway, a big mess with this.

[wia5958]

Penalty should stand. Especially if members of the field got it correct be different if everyone got it wrong which wasn't the case

[mknight]

but how come Tänak, Meeke and Suninen drove it the right way then?

"The Right way" is rather subjective if it didn't match the roadbook as claimed by Ogier.

Clearly there were more car tracks in the very left opening cause the national rally drove that before, but we dunno where the bales were for them.

Additionally what we do know is that they were moved by marshalls after Suninen. Therefore Evans, Tidemand and Breen had a much straighter and wider line than all those before, and it also shows in the times as they also beat Tanak and Meeke.

[AnttiL]

Just make no chicanes and everything's good.

[doubled1978]

I was in Dyfnant 2 this evening and it was noticeably darker for Breen than Tanak....darkness came quickly.
Was also in Elsi first thing this morning, can’t say I noticed much difference in lightness, was basically full light by time they got to us.
Tanak was clearly pushing in Dyfnant, bit lucky past us as he hit the inside bank on a quick left hander...

[wia5958]

Ogier says it was different than in roadbook and in recce. Saying there was 1 bale in roadbook but 2 in the stage.
Neuville says also it was moved since recce.

Rules say organisers can add barriers or other objects of hinderence if they feel correct route wasn't followed in recce. But I'm also certain this would of been addressed at drivers briefing if that was the case

[RS]

Is there a single person on this board who expected Kopecký to be lading R5 driver after leg 1, especially with such a super strong entry list?

Not me. He's not at his best on this type of rally and he has a new co-driver too.

Tbh some of his stage times were quite poor, but as usual he is still there and in a good position.

Expect Kalle to overhaul him pretty quickly tomorrow though.

[KKS]

Check page 65 of FIA rally guidelines: https://www.wrc.com/fileadmin/upload/PDF/WRC/19_02_21_fia_rally_guidelines_2019_def_en.pdf

How can penalties be imposed if that chicane didn’t match FIA standarts? Crews can’t be penalized for the organizers wrongdoing, even if it was printed on the roadbook.
And what wrong with stage-end chicane according to guideline? Not marked by arrows?

[KKS]

Mads on a startlist for tomorrow
https://d2cx26qpfwuhvu.cloudfront.net/wrgb/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/04215557/5.4-Start-List-for-Section-5-TC10F.pdf

[dimviii]

https://scontent-bru2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/72045674_10158907812266632_1648404694403383296_n.j pg?_nc_cat=102&_nc_oc=AQkPXTj1Z7qTw9wMG7RmNghBD03cGXa5xHGPdwH8YZq fypP5P5nHvtdKeUT1RZ8v_ZY&_nc_ht=scontent-bru2-1.xx&oh=bfc010641eead5fa1d42d725c7f63800&oe=5DF08340

[dimviii]

Latvala crash from another angle
https://youtu.be/dhTLcH74s0c

[Rally Power]

And what wrong with stage-end chicane according to guideline? Not marked by arrows?

The bales must be close to each other to form a barrier, with no open spaces between them; clearly that wasn’t the case.



Solans nearly 16 seconds faster than Kristensson in SS10!
Hopefully just a minor issue for Kristensson; 16s can still be recovered, especially coinsidering tomorrow’s long leg. Fingers crossed for the Swede.

[fredfush]

This is what the road book showed

[EstWRC]

#Tyre info - Day 2 morning - SS11-SS13

All @Michelin @OfficialWRC drivers with 5 MICHELIN LTX Force M6 except Tidemand with 4M6 +1S6

#MichelinWRC #WRGB

[AnttiL]

There was some confusion about Østberg being retired (and not in Rally2, because he said his rally is over) but he's still there on the start list.

[mknight]

This is what the road book showed

Huh, that's definitely not how the chicane looked ... for any of the cars.

There are 3 bales and 2 "roads" in the roadbook. If you read it from left you should go left after the first bale. If you read it from right you should go second from right.

In reality there were 4 bales and 3 "roads". So those that read if front left were correct and those that read it from right were also correct.

Hence I can't see any penalties getting handled. Quite big messup from the organizers both on the idea of putting the finish in a chicane and then messing it up.

[AnttiL]

Huh, that's definitely not how the chicane looked ... for any of the cars.

There are 3 bales and 2 "roads" in the roadbook. If you read it from left you should go left after the first bale. If you read it from right you should go second from right.

In reality there were 4 bales and 3 "roads". So those that read if front left were correct and those that read it from right were also correct.

Hence I can't see any penalties getting handled. Quite big messup from the organizers both on the idea of putting the finish in a chicane and then messing it up.

https://i.imgur.com/jtpOAqG.png
https://i.imgur.com/J9AZibu.jpg

The road book has three big dots and one smaller, not sure what's the difference, but otherwise the layout is the same.

[TypeR]

nice to have Molly back at the studio :D

[mknight]

The road book has three big dots and one smaller, not sure what's the difference, but otherwise the layout is the same.

The small dot marks the finish (compare with the STOP just below). So 3 bales in roadbook 4 bales in reality. If you count from right you have bale-finish-bale-(the road you should drive) and then 2 bales on left instead of one.

EDIT: As to the layout, the bale you should drive around on the left side is in the middle between the two finishing bales (just like in roadbook). The "extra" one to the left is behind the left side bale.

[EstWRC]

and we are Go guys...huge day ahead without service

[KKS]

Huh, that's definitely not how the chicane looked ... for any of the cars.

There are 3 bales and 2 "roads" in the roadbook. If you read it from left you should go left after the first bale. If you read it from right you should go second from right.

In reality there were 4 bales and 3 "roads". So those that read if front left were correct and those that read it from right were also correct.

Hence I can't see any penalties getting handled. Quite big messup from the organizers both on the idea of putting the finish in a chicane and then messing it up.
we have 4 bales on roadbook and 4 bales in reality. What wrong? From roadbook you should past two first opposite bales and than keep left on last two

[Katvala]

I have a feeling the afternoon will be quite eventful

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[AnttiL]

The small dot marks the finish (compare with the STOP just below). So 3 bales in roadbook 4 bales in reality. If you count from right you have bale-finish-bale-(the road you should drive) and then 2 bales on left instead of one.

EDIT: As to the layout, the bale you should drive around on the left side is in the middle between the two finishing bales (just like in roadbook). The "extra" one to the left is behind the left side bale.

Right, so actually it appears that Ogier et al drove the correct path

[AnttiL]

and we are Go guys...huge day ahead without service

And awesome awesome stages. This is proper Wales.

[mknight]

Right, so actually it appears that Ogier et al drove the correct path

If you look from left (go left after first bale), then the other 3 drove "correct" hence there is no clear answer and no penalties to anyone.

[AnttiL]

For my Finnish translated route preview of the day the editor in chief interviewed Lappi and asked for his comment about the Colwyn Bay stage

"Even a simpler person can do well there, you won't need pace notes there" :D

https://www.rallit.fi/mm-rallin-ohjelmassa-erikoiskoe-jolla-parjaa-yksinkertaisempikin-ihminen/

[AnttiL]

Lappi and Tidemand are about equal now at split 3

[EstWRC]

nobody matching Evans so far

[KKS]

wow Tidemand faster than Lappi.

[EstWRC]

completely different perspectives from Lappi and Tidemand, one liked the other not

[AnttiL]

Meeke losing some time, a few seconds

[AnttiL]

There was some confusion about Østberg being retired (and not in Rally2, because he said his rally is over) but he's still there on the start list.

And now it appears he hasn't started.

[AnttiL]

Paddon with a fast first split. However, we must remember that Kalle can just play it safe now.

[EstWRC]

man i thought the next stage is 11.08 estonian time but now i noticed it is 12.08...meh (AnttiL will be furious again now with me )

[Katvala]

I mean, one can be "meh" about it being a long time to the next stage without it being complaining about the rally/organizers
I certainly am "meh" about it, but hey, now I got time to do some dishes while I wait

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[AnttiL]

man i thought the next stage is 11.08 estonian time but now i noticed it is 12.08...meh (AnttiL will be furious again now with me )

:D sorry about yesterday...

for me it's a chance to go buy some lunch!

EDIT: 88 km of liaison between Dyfi and Myherin.

[AnttiL]

Greensmith screwed up! Kalle is now again closer to being a champion

[Katvala]

That's probably it for GUS today then. He is making a lot of rally ending accidents...

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