[WRC] Wales Rally GB 2019

[Mirek]

Unfortunately in this weather and in the dark the stage is really boring for spectating in TV.

[Katvala]

But the close up zoom-filming isn't doing it any favors

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[mknight]

Unfortunately in this weather and in the dark the stage is really boring for spectating in TV.

The big problem so far is that they can not seem to be able to switch the correct cameras in sequence at all and half of their cameramen seem to have huge issues (not being able to follow cars, then zoom in too much with half car out...)

[AnttiL]

Quite big gaps, nice stage. Not just good for TV.

[Sulland]

The R2 Fiesta on full song sound like a 2 stroke SAAB!
I like it!

[tc10a]

Stage probably already much more slippery as Breen and Tidemand was quite slower than Petter Solberg in R5.

[AnttiL]

Petter faster than Breen and Tidemand

[mknight]

So far not a single shot from onboard any car.

[the sniper]

For what it is I think it's pretty good in person. I'm right at the South of the circuit. TV coverage looks terrible though!
My video, corner at 00:27 and 01:17 has been good, especially with WRCs. This is Oliver Solberg: https://youtu.be/8yUXs-2AvYM

[Katvala]

For what it is I think it's pretty good in person. I'm right at the South of the circuit. TV coverage looks terrible though!
My video, corner at 00:27 and 01:17 has been good, especially with WRCs. This is Oliver Solberg: https://youtu.be/8yUXs-2AvYMYep, looks great from that view. If only you were doing the camera work instead!

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[AnttiL]

So far not a single shot from onboard any car.

probably no aeroplane to pick up the signals

[EstWRC]

Suninen did seemed to enjoy the drifting :D

[tomhlord]

Meeke looks so smooth there, even left-foot braking on straights to control wheel-spin towards the end of the stage.

[Mirek]

One can clearly win a lot of time on this short show stage.

[Simmi]

Not sure this works as a night stage? Iconic British circuit but you can't really see it.

Happy to be in my Welsh cottage with a beer ready for tomorrow.

[tomhlord]

Not sure this works as a night stage? Iconic British circuit but you can't really see it.

Agreed, three hours earlier would have been better for me.

[dimviii]

Michelin Motorsport
@Michelin_Sport
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Replying to
@Michelin_Sport

#tyre info - SS1

Meeke & Tänak: 5 MICHELIN LTX Force S6
Latvala & Neuville: 2 M6 + 3 S6
Breen: 4 M6 + 1 S6
Ogier & Lappi & Mikkelsen: 1 M6 + 4 S6
Suninen & Evans & Tidemand: 5 M6

[EstWRC]

Tänak stalled

[Mirek]

Stalled engine in a junction for Ott.

[Allez Andruet]

Yaris stalls at a junction/hairpin?!? Never seen that before.

[EstWRC]

Yaris stalls at a junction/hairpin?!? Never seen that before.

it was because he couldnt see anything with lights showing nowhere


i remeber in 2017 he also had bad night stages because of the lights, with fiesta that time

[Katvala]

Toyota Stallaris?

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[Mirek]

Colin: Why did the engine stall?
Ott: Because the engine stalled.

:D:D:D

[EstWRC]

Tänak Ott - Järveoja Martin

"The engine stopped! I had no lights, they were pointing to the top of the trees and I just missed it." / "Na horizontu světla svítila nahoru a já minul zatáčku, motor zhasl."

[AnttiL]

Rain is getting much heavier

[AnttiL]

pre-event press conference https://www.fia.com/news/wrc-rally-gb-press-conference

This bit was interesting


Let’s see what the weather does. If it does rain, it can be more consistent and wash [the mud off] the road – and if the sun comes out, the grip can get worse and it can be the most tricky.

as it seems we're in for a rainy morning but a non-rainy afternoon.

[Sulland]

Petter on Pirellis in a wet GB, rings a bell.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

It's quite a good stage but it really should've been run in daylight for fans & viewers benefit.

Shakedown back to Llandudno and onto Liverpool could've been done by early afternoon... then started Oulton Park by 4.30pm.

[AnttiL]

It's quite a good stage but it really should've been run in daylight for fans & viewers benefit.

Shakedown back to Llandudno and onto Liverpool could've been done by early afternoon... then started Oulton Park by 4.30pm.

All rallies always start at the same time. Also, there’s media stuff during the day plus recceing of the super special

[Whinlatter]

Had an ok day watching RGB today - didn't start well when Police closed the Wallasey tunnel while I was driving through it. I sat in there for an hour before they reopened it, which meant I was late arriving to shakedown and had a longer than planned walk all the way up to the stage, only arriving at a 90R just as Tanak started the stage. The action was good, though I can see from the videos linked earlier that there were better spots if I'd had more time to explore.

In the afternoon I went to watch the ceremonial start - not usually my kind of thing, but I live in Liverpool and the office where I work is only 500m from the rally start - so it felt quite surreal watching the cars drive across the road and park up at the place where I often go for a walk in my lunch hour! Went onto the rooftop balcony of the Mersey Ferries building (for the cost of a Pepsi in their bar) to get some panoramic photos, though unfortunately the sun had gone in by then.

Dyfnant tomorrow I think - can't be bothered getting up at 3am to do Elsi first (and get soaked in the process), so I'll probably just stay in Dyfnant all day and have a walk through the stage between runs.

[er88]

Has a starting order for tomorrow been released anywhere yet? Interested to know where the Solbergs are running amongst the other R5s

[dimviii]

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[Fast Eddie WRC]

All rallies always start at the same time. Also, there’s media stuff during the day plus recceing of the super special

But they could still have got the cars running in daylight. The WRC cars were there by 5pm and didnt run for another 2 hours. Recce could have been done previously and all the media stuff at the SP and Lpool start.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

I was at Liverpool too and there was a very good turnout of fans, especially considering there was minimal publicity in the area and it was a workday afternoon.

[Rally Power]

On WRC Live it was hard to see the crowds but the weather looked like a proper Rally GB weather! Maybe the Promoter will now realize that fans don’t bother about the heavy rain and extreme conditions are a distinctive sign of this event. Fingers crossed for having again GB as WRC season epic finale.

[EstWRC]

MOrning guys

Michelin Motorsport
@Michelin_Sport
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#Tyre info - Day 1 morning

Meeke/Neuville: 1 MICHELIN LTX Force M6 +4S6
Tanak/Ogier/Lappi/Suninen/Evans: 5M6
Latvala: 4M6 +1S6
Breen/Mikkelsen/Tidemand: 5S6

[AnttiL]

MOrning guys

Michelin Motorsport
@Michelin_Sport
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3m
#Tyre info - Day 1 morning

Meeke/Neuville: 1 MICHELIN LTX Force M6 +4S6
Tanak/Ogier/Lappi/Suninen/Evans: 5M6
Latvala: 4M6 +1S6
Breen/Mikkelsen/Tidemand: 5S6

That's weirdly listed. Basically Meeke, Neuville, Breen, Mikkelsen and Tidemand are on softs, the rest on mediums.

[mknight]

Expected everyone on softs tbh

[AnttiL]

Expected everyone on softs tbh

Ogier said on press conf that he won last year driving all along on mediums. They were all confused about what to choose

[Rallyper]

Morning guys. Exciting days ahead. Let´s go!!

[Tauri_J]

Ott said Mediums and Softs have pretty much same performance.

[EstWRC]

Ogier 0.6 faster in spl1

[mknight]

Ogier said on press conf that he won last year driving all along on mediums. They were all confused about what to choose
Ogier was 5th 40s behind after the wet friday last year. So not sure that is a good metric.

[EstWRC]

well Thierry with the same speed with his softs so far

[AnttiL]

Ogier 1.7 down on split 2

[AnttiL]

Ogier was 5th 40s behind after the wet friday last year. So not sure that is a good metric.

Last year he span and lost two gears in Penmachno, and had to do the slow Slate Mountain with no two first gears

[EstWRC]

Ogier hast lost over 2 secs to Tänak with split 2

[AnttiL]

Ogier hast lost over 2 secs to Tänak with split 2

Neuville also 1.5 down

[AnttiL]

Meeke flying!

[EstWRC]

what a split by Meeke!!!

[Morte66]

Some trouble with the plane = they fancied an extra bacon sarnie in this weather?

[Rallyper]

Rumour of JML being late to TC2.

[AnttiL]

Some trouble with the plane = they fancied an extra bacon sarnie in this weather?

You know, it was already there for a while...

[tomhlord]

Meeke flying!

Oh crap. Take it steady, Kris!

[EstWRC]

Meeke gave aaway little in the end, 2.3 faster than Tänak

[TypeR]

can't even put up stage end stationary camera or smth.. very messy coverage from SS1 and now SS2 also

[AnttiL]

Meeke gave aaway little in the end, 2.3 faster than Tänak

Tänak was slower in the first half, compared to everyone.

[rallyfiend]

can't even put up stage end stationary camera or smth.. very messy coverage from SS1 and now SS2 also

Most of them run through the plane....

[AnttiL]

can't even put up stage end stationary camera or smth.. very messy coverage from SS1 and now SS2 also

What should they do, draw 100 km of cable from the stage ends to the service park? If the weather meddles with the wireless signals, there's nothing to do.

[EstWRC]

Latvala was in the ditch, thats why the big loss

[Rallyper]

can't even put up stage end stationary camera or smth.. very messy coverage from SS1 and now SS2 also

I thought the technical development had come longer than this 70´s level...

[AnttiL]

Suninen at Ott's pace at split 2. Latvala been in a ditch

[EstWRC]

Evans fastest in first split

[AnttiL]

ewrc has their stage end comments

5
flagMeeke Kris - Marshall Sebastian
"We're happy and the Yaris is working really well." / "Jsme spokojeni, auto je dobré."
89
flagMikkelsen Andreas - Jæger Anders
"The car feels really good. I had a couple of moments at the beginning so we had to be cautious." / "Měli jsme několik krizí, musíme být opatrní."
11
flagNeuville Thierry - Gilsoul Nicolas
"I'm really uncomfortable in the car and struggling with the balance." / "V autě se necítím dobře."
1
flagOgier Sébastien - Ingrassia Julien
"We ran wide on the last corner of the stage and lost some time there." / "V poslední zatáčce jsme ztratili nějaký čas."
8
flagTänak Ott - Järveoja Martin
"Slippery and difficult, but we have to improve." / "Klouže to, musíme se zlepšit."

[Rallyper]

Evans fast in the beginning...

[AnttiL]

Interesting contrast between Neuville and Mikkelsen. One likes the car but is slow, one is faster but uncomfortable.

[EstWRC]

Evans still fastest in spl2

[AnttiL]

Tidemand already 17s down on first split

[AnttiL]

Breen with a good first split

[Rallyper]

Tidemand already 17s down on first split

Catastrophic. Disaster. Must be some mistake. But still...

[AnttiL]

Evans fastest!

[EstWRC]

Look at the daylight difference, massive compared to frst ones

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Yes Elfyn come on !

[TypeR]

Look at the daylight difference, massive compared to frst ones

don't understand why they couldn't start the stage like 15-20min later, so than everybody could have same light conditions.. quite a difference between driving with extra lights and shadows vs without them.. especially with rain

[stefanvv]

Good start for M-Sport 1 and 2

[AnttiL]

don't understand why they couldn't start the stage like 15-20min later, so than everybody could have same light conditions.. quite a difference between driving with extra lights and shadows vs without them.. especially with rain

It's a long day with no time to spare

[mousti]

don't understand why they couldn't start the stage like 15-20min later, so than everybody could have same light conditions.. quite a difference between driving with extra lights and shadows vs without them.. especially with rain

That's rallying same with the evening that frontrunners start in the light and the later runners in the dark etc.

[Allez Andruet]

Tidemand and WRC just don't match...

[AnttiL]

Rovanperä was faster than Lappi!

[Rallyper]

Almost four hours rest mid-day... ;)

[EstWRC]

what the hell, Ogier took 2 secs back from ott with just one minute ?

[RS]

Mega time by Rovanpera!

I really hope Tidemand had some spin or technical problem with that time..

[EstWRC]

and now Ogier has lost 1.2 secs again

[AnttiL]

Almost four hours rest mid-day... ;)

Long liaison.

[EstWRC]

it seems Tänak has had some kind of moment between split1 and split2, everybody gaining time on him from there, even Mikkelsen with 0.2 secs

[Rallyper]

Tidemand and WRC just don't match...

Do we know what happened? It´s not just driving. Couldn´t be... :(

[EstWRC]

Solberg stopped, Oliver it is

[Katvala]

Considerable gaps starting to form already

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[Rallyper]

Evans loosing time...

[Entertainer]

Do we know what happened? It´s not just driving. Couldn´t be... :(

I refuse to believe that it was just driving, must have been big moment and off somewhere or wrong turn in a junction with 15+ seconds lost. Or else, he might as well just park it. Massively disappointed for him if he doesn't show significant improvement this weekend compared to Turkey.
He has now spent upwards of 8-10 hours in the car over three rallies, not counting test days...

[EstWRC]

good time from Lappi considering his starting pos

[TypeR]

I refuse to believe that it was just driving, must have been big moment and off somewhere or wrong turn in a junction with 15+ seconds lost. Or else, he might as well just park it. Massively disappointed for him if he doesn't show significant improvement this weekend compared to Turkey.
He has now spent upwards of 8-10 hours in the car over three rallies, not counting test days...

SS3 split1 +15 also.. so most likely its driving

[Rallyper]

Puncture RL for Evans.

[denkimi]

What should they do, draw 100 km of cable from the stage ends to the service park? If the weather meddles with the wireless signals, there's nothing to do.
Its weird to see they have wireless internet in countries like somalia or syria, but there are not even cables yet in wales.

[stefanvv]

shame, could be a good rally for Evans

[EstWRC]

Rovanpera already 6 secs faster than Tidemand in spl1

[Rallyper]

I refuse to believe that it was just driving, must have been big moment and off somewhere or wrong turn in a junction with 15+ seconds lost. Or else, he might as well just park it. Massively disappointed for him if he doesn't show significant improvement this weekend compared to Turkey.
He has now spent upwards of 8-10 hours in the car over three rallies, not counting test days...

Even me gave up on him this morning. He has no future in WRC. Very sorry to say. But fact.

[AnttiL]

Its weird to see they have wireless internet in countries like somalia or syria, but there are not even cables yet in wales.

The cameras don't work over regular 3G, it's a connection with the transmitter aeroplane.

[denkimi]

Do we know what happened? It´s not just driving. Couldn´t be... :(
There must be something very wrong with the car i believe. No way he could be that much slower than the r5 cars.

[Rallyper]

There must be something very wrong with the car i believe. No way he could be that much slower than the r5 cars.

Let´s hope he only had three cylinder RC3 engine mounted... :)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Gutted for Evans on his comeback. At least he's still going and can show some good times later.

[Entertainer]

Even me gave up on him this morning. He has no future in WRC. Very sorry to say. But fact.

It certainly seems so. I am still hoping that there is something wrong with the car or tires, or team orders (drive extremely safe day 1, pedal to the floor day 2 & 3)..ANYTHING else than that and his WRC-career is over after this weekend.

[EstWRC]

Paddon not so quick as i hoped before the rally, but ok, long time away from the series and the rally is just in the beginning


E: Kajito stopped

[Katvala]

Do you really think so? This is just in line with his driving on previous WRC rallies

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[tomhlord]

Greensmith closes the gap at the front of WRC2 Pro. Maybe this Fiesta has some pace?

[Rallyper]

Do you really think so? This is just in line with his driving on previous WRC rallies

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But there were reasons before. Now, no excuses.

[Rallyper]

Technical for Oliver, according to tweet from Petter, pasing him on stage.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Really good start by Greensmith... he always goes well in the rain.

[EstWRC]

EVans mistake

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EGBGQVyWsAA5WOT?format=jpg&name=large

[AnttiL]

EDIT: Late :)

[Entertainer]

But there were reasons before. Now, no excuses.

Exactly.

I just dont GET IT? I can't wrap my head around it. Technically Tidemand is an amazingly talented driver, with great potential, JWRC champion, WRC2-champion... He is now slower in a WRC-car than he would have been in his Skoda - what the hell? Beaten on two first stages by Loubet and Veiby, drivers who rnever/arely beat him when he was driving the Skoda. WHY?!

[EstWRC]

technical for Oliver Solberg, what a shame

[AnttiL]

technical for Oliver Solberg, what a shame


Bad news from SS2 - we stopped on the stage with technical issues �� I think it's a steering issue, something broke and we couldn't steer so stopped on a bank. Not what we wanted at all... but we are okay, and we stay positive!

https://twitter.com/OliverSolberg01/status/1180022414551457792

[Katvala]

Exactly.

I just dont GET IT? I can't wrap my head around it. Technically Tidemand is an amazingly talented driver, with great potential, JWRC champion, WRC2-champion... He is now slower in a WRC-car than he would have been in his Skoda - what the hell? Beaten on two first stages by Loubet and Veiby, drivers who rnever/arely beat him when he was driving the Skoda. WHY?!Yeah. I'd like to see him talking about it.. His stage end commentary always is like "it went well/OK, we'll keep going like this"

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[EstWRC]

now over an hour till next stage :rolleyes:

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Oliver S
Bad news from SS2 - we stopped on the stage with technical issues 😞 I think it's a steering issue, something broke and we couldn't steer so stopped on a bank. Not what we wanted at all... but we are okay, and we stay positive! https://t.co/E5FfBzclxT

[Fast Eddie WRC]

ℹ️ Welshman @ElfynEvans reports some damage to his Fiesta after clipping something in a fast corner. He and @scottmartinat will now see if they can make a repair on the road section #WRC #WRGB

[Entertainer]

Sad for Oliver, I was looking forward for the fight with Petter, for months. :(
Come back stronger in Rally2.

[Mk2 RS2000]

The cameras don't work over regular 3G, it's a connection with the transmitter aeroplane.
What part of the ancient world is still using 3G.. that went out with wooden wheels and horse drawn carriages

[Katvala]

What part of the ancient world is still using 3G.. that went out with wooden wheels and horse drawn carriagesI'm lucky to get edge where I live, I spotted o the other day. 3G certainly is well alive...out there

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[Fast Eddie WRC]

Great clip:

Was this where Evans had an issue? https://t.co/2w6MQVGy2g

[denkimi]

What part of the ancient world is still using 3G.. that went out with wooden wheels and horse drawn carriages
Apparently the wrc promotor still uses horses.

50 years ago people all over the world watched neil armstrong set foot on the moon. Live. From 300.000km's away.
Nowadays there seems to be no way to make a stable connection beween a camera that is places a few kilometers into a forest and the nearest internet acces point.

Either we have gone backwards, or the promotor just doesn't care.

[AnttiL]

now over an hour till next stage :rolleyes:

Sorry but I'm a bit tired of these complaints. I have never arranged a rally myself but I can say I have studied the rules and many itineraries pretty extensively. It's not as simple as you might think, refuels and things like that need to be arranged.

SS2 and SS3 were practically across the road so they started concurrently. To SS4 there's 90 km of liaison. Google Maps gives an estimated driving time of 1:45 from the end of SS3 to SS4 start. If the stages would have been spread more evenly, SS3 would have started later and you wouldn't have noticed.

Also, SS4 and SS5 are classic stages closer to mid Wales with a different character and I think it's worth the liaison instead of doing more of the narrow technical stuff in North Wales.

EDIT: Here you can study the itinerary https://d2cx26qpfwuhvu.cloudfront.net/wrgb/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/27131327/2019-Wales-Rally-GB-Route-1.5.1-1.pdf and there is indeed a refuel after SS3 and the liaison from SS3 to SS4 is 85 km.

EDIT2: Fast Eddie WRC should also study the Thursday itinerary and say again how reasonable it would have been to run SS1 any earlier.

[Indreq]

Sorry but I'm a bit tired of these complaints. I have never arranged a rally myself but I can say I have studied the itineraries pretty extensively. It's not as simple as you might think, refuels and things like that need to be arranged.

SS2 and SS3 were practically across the road so they started concurrently. To SS4 there's 90 km of liaison. Google Maps gives an estimated driving time of 1:45 from the end of SS3 to SS4 start. If the stages would have been spread more evenly, SS3 would have started later and you wouldn't have noticed.

Also, SS4 and SS5 are classic stages closer to mid Wales with a different character and I think it's worth the liaison instead of doing more of the narrow technical stuff in North Wales.

Where did you see complaint? Just statement of fact. Or smalltalk. Or even if it is ment as a complaint then surely it is nothing worth getting upset about. I believe all members of this forum know thing or two about rally schedules. Surely such complaint is not meant 100% as complaint without hint of humor. Slightly off-topic - as avid reader, another book from one of my favorite series came out last week. Less than 12 hours later there were posts in authors page asking when would next part be about and "why not tomorrow". Nobody started to explain process of bookwriting and publishing, everybody understood that it is just humorous expression of frustration of having to wait for several months before next one.

PS Sorry if i misunderstood you and you tried to be funny instead of being seriously annoyed.

[EstWRC]

Evans moment https://twitter.com/RalioS4C/status/1180023462414491649

hahahah the spectators! :D

[AnttiL]

Where did you see complaint? Just statement of fact.

My interpretation of the rolling eyes smiley.

Also this discussion related to the topic


don't understand why they couldn't start the stage like 15-20min later, so than everybody could have same light conditions.. quite a difference between driving with extra lights and shadows vs without them.. especially with rain

Almost four hours rest mid-day... ;)

Sorry for coming off a bit cranky, I'm a bit down with a flu. Let's enjoy the rally! :)

[Rallyper]

Well, four hours is four hours. Use to be two or two and a half hours. So...

Wasn´t the formula WRC should be more for the spectators and media? This isn´t the way to it. Just my thoughts...

[AnttiL]

Well, four hours is four hours. Use to be two or two and a half hours. So...

Wasn´t the formula WRC should be more for the spectators and media? This isn´t the way to it. Just my thoughts...

Here is how that "four hours rest" is actually used

https://i.imgur.com/TUcx1vf.png

1:42 for 81 km of liaison from SS5 end to technical zone entry
21 min for technical zone / regroup
42 min for service
48 min for 36 km of liaison from service to SS6 with a refuel on the way

[swanny]

Evans moment https://twitter.com/RalioS4C/status/1180023462414491649

hahahah the spectators! :D

Evans: This is why you're not supposed to stand on the outside of a corner....

[Fredouye]

In Penmachno...
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191004/d532f6fd8e9c80bef63ed6b0074265f1.jpg

[AnttiL]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EGBQfLpXkAA4Zdb?format=jpg&name=900x900

https://twitter.com/TCFx/status/1180031958765768704

[T16]

Penmachno early doors. Now stuck in a massive queue for Aberheirnant. Proper conditions!

[Katvala]

Seems like the tricolor of Tänak, Neuville and Ogier will be the top runners here as well going forward (I am not Confident Meeke will hold the lead). Will be interesting to see who makes the first mistake/puncture..

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[Rallyper]

Here is how that "four hours rest" is actually used

https://i.imgur.com/TUcx1vf.png

1:42 for 81 km of liaison from SS5 end to technical zone entry
21 min for technical zone / regroup
42 min for service
48 min for 36 km of liaison from service to SS6 with a refuel on the way

Yeah. Sure. But as said, you don´t have to explain. I have time schedule on my wall in front of me. I can read. But still; is this the way to have rallies?

[Rallyper]

Ok. Here we go again. SS4.

[EstWRC]

wow so slippy, Tänak off the gas and hesitating but the car just makes his own decisions

[Tauri_J]

I think sSuninen is stopped

E: GPS issue

E:Becs confirmed he was stopped

[EstWRC]

Ogier took chunk out of Ott with last split

E:Neuville the same, bad last split from Tänak it seems

[Rallyper]

Yeah, Suninen stopped. Not MSport´s day. On the move again.

[AnttiL]

This stage is so much nicer than the two first ones

[EstWRC]

Meeke also took 2 secs back in the end, he had a half spin too in the middle of the stage

E: awesome last split from Latvala

[EstWRC]

Greensmith has been up to something, 22 secs to Rovanpera in split 1

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Great job Elfyn...

[EstWRC]

TOP6 separated just by 10 secs!

[wia5958]

Breen again doing a great job so far in the Hyundai

[RS]

Bit better from Tidemand now, faster than Kalle. Still slowest WRC though.

[AnttiL]

Quite a tricky corner near the end! Breen went in the bushes and many cars having moments.

[Sulland]

Seems like the Fiesta R5 Mk2 works ok when top line drivers handles them.

[EstWRC]

Paddon stopped

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Greensmith had high speed spin..

[TypeR]

Veiby also stopped, just some corners before Paddon

[AnttiL]

Now this next stage. It will be fast. Very fast. But narrow. And slippery. Can't wait.

[Rallyper]

Veiby also stopped, just some corners before Paddon

Stopped or offs...?

[EstWRC]

This was Toyotas 100th stage win this year. And Tänaks 63rd.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Chicane to slow them down. :(

[Rallyper]

Paddon..."sliding off and got stuck..." MSport quote.

[AnttiL]

Chicane to slow them down. :(

It has been there always on this stage in the last few years. Dyfi will also have a couple, and Sweet Lamb Hafren before the arena.

[Rallyper]

Both Ott and Ogier near offs at beginning of SS5...

[EstWRC]

man this stage will be like hell tonight with the dark

[EstWRC]

Mikkelsen also quicker in second split than Tänak and Ogier, stage getting better for late starters there?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

man this stage will be like hell tonight with the dark

The bright orange bails will help them.

[EstWRC]

stage definitely now getting better for back starters

Latvala with a mega time

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Wow JML !

[EstWRC]

this is just mega, the pack has now really closed up with the last two stages

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Go on Elfyn.

[meh]

Maybe this stage has cleaning effect?

[TypeR]

Maybe this stage has cleaning effect?
no.. Mikkelsen, Lappi and Suninen are just suddenly faster than Tänak or Ogier

[EstWRC]

Maybe this stage has cleaning effect?


well something it had because Tänak and Ogier are the slowest ones and i doubt it was because of their driving skills, every car basically comes quicker,

and now the stage has been delayed because of the safety reasons. may be a good for Breen

[Tauri_J]

well something it had because Tänak and Ogier are the slowest ones and i doubt it was because of their driving skills, every car basically comes quicker,

and now the stage has been delayed because of the safety reasons. may be a good for Breen

or not, not good to run this stage in pitch black for the first time

[Mirek]

Its weird to see they have wireless internet in countries like somalia or syria, but there are not even cables yet in wales.


What part of the ancient world is still using 3G.. that went out with wooden wheels and horse drawn carriages

Somalia and Syria don't have many forests. Wireless internet works pretty bad in deep forests. Even here in CZ where the internet coverage is great (better than in Germany for example) in the forests you loose the signal very often and it doesn't matter that much if it's 3G or 5G if you can't get the signal to the device.

[EstWRC]

Wales Rally GB
@WalesRallyGB
·
19s
STAGE STOPPED

The cars have driven through at non competitive speeds with no further action through Aberhirnant 1

This is due to spectators on a fast section mid stage standing in dangerous positions - and returning to them despite instructions to spectate elsewhere

[meh]

Seems that Breen is just driving it through

[mknight]

Not easy to pick a time for Breen, if you give him the time of last car before him (Evans) it's stage winning time that will make him jump from 5th to 3rd, that doesn't look likely. A time around Neuville and Meeke is more likely, but that will still make him gain on Tanak and Ogier.

[AnttiL]

Somalia and Syria don't have many forests. Wireless internet works pretty bad in deep forests. Even here in CZ where the internet coverage is great (better than in Germany for example) in the forests you loose the signal very often and it doesn't matter that much if it's 3G or 5G if you can't get the signal to the device.

Julian also just talked on All Live about the Wales 2017 incident when Ogier went off and had to fix the brakes of his car and couldn't contact the team because there was no phone signal in the forest.

[dimviii]

like at previous rallies,Neuville upping his pace after first stages.


Kajetanowicz K. - Szczepaniak M.
2 spare tyres, 3 punctures

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Wales Rally GB
@WalesRallyGB
·
19s
STAGE STOPPED

The cars have driven through at non competitive speeds with no further action through Aberhirnant 1

This is due to spectators on a fast section mid stage standing in dangerous positions - and returning to them despite instructions to spectate elsewhere

Idiots. Not proper fans I bet.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Breen
I urge all the spectators to heed the word of the marshals, SS5 was cancelled before we got to drive it, very disappointing. #WRC #WRGB https://t.co/RIRJPNbbn7

[AndyRAC]

Most likely the 'once a year mob'.....you can't tell them or ask them.....

[Allez Andruet]

Idiots. Not proper fans I bet.

No real fan would jeopardize the show everybody's come to watch by acting like a moron.

[meh]

So far overall situation, visually: http://elarlang.eu/rally_gb_2019.html

[Rallyper]

So far overall situation, visually: http://elarlang.eu/rally_gb_2019.html

Headline says Rally Turkey... ;)

[mknight]

Breen got Neuville's time as I predicted, which is a kind of compromise. He looses a bit to Latvala but gains on Tanak and Ogier who were ahead of him in standings.

[irish_tiger]

What happened to Matt Edwards ?

[PLuto]

What happened to Matt Edwards ?

retired

[Sulland]

Breen got Neuville's time as I predicted, which is a kind of compromise. He looses a bit to Latvala but gains on Tanak and Ogier who were ahead of him in standings.

Would be more fare if all gor the same time, and not that those that have completed gets their time.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Paddon
Unfortunately got caught out when the rear of the car snapped sideways in some mud, which spun the car 360 in the road and ended up here.....completely stuck. Not all bad, starting to get to grips with the new @MSportLtd Fiesta which has a lot of potential and build on tomorrow.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EGCSjq0VUAAs5q0?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Chris Hoy from last night:

What an evening ! Driving Colin McRae’s 1996 WRC Impreza with his dad Jimmy in the co-driver seat for a demo at the Oulton Park stage of
@WalesRallyGB ! Such a huge privilege, and quite an emotional moment. Thanks so much @prodrive and of course Colin for the inspiration.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EF_MB1RX0AIiVws?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EF_MB1jX0AMDQZt?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

[TypeR]

Omg.. please send the new commentator away.. awful to listen

[EstWRC]

Michelin Motorsport
@Michelin_Sport
·
36s
#Tyre info - Day 1 afternoon

Meeke & Tänak & Latvala & Ogier & Lappi & Suninen & Evans: 5 MICHELIN LTX Force M6

Neuville & Mikkelsen: 2 M6 + 3S6

Breen & Tidemand: 5 S6

[Fast Eddie WRC]

The sun is out. :cool:

[AnttiL]

Omg.. please send the new commentator away.. awful to listen

I remember her being a guest on All Live on some rally, Chile?...I just tuned in, is this a substitution gig because the day is so long or what?

[EstWRC]

this is just so embarrassing

[TypeR]

Why 3 min gaps? too much dust?

[BobJones]

I remember her being a guest on All Live on some rally, Chile?...I just tuned in, is this a substitution gig because the day is so long or what?

Molly is pregnant, maybe practice/trial for maternity leave cover?

[itix]

Not even Per can believe in Tidemand after today.

Most R5 are faster than him and he can't blame lack of seat time either at this stage.

It's absolutely appalling to watch.

He should just stick to euro RX where he actually has decent competitive speed in Eklunds old home built beetle.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Yes finally some heli shots... :)

[EstWRC]

lets see if the trend continues now that the Toyotas arent as fast as in the morning

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Wow some ruts there !

[Rallyper]

Not even Per can believe in Tidemand after today.

Most R5 are faster than him and he can't blame lack of seat time either at this stage.

It's absolutely appalling to watch.

He should just stick to euro RX where he actually has decent competitive speed in Eklunds old home built beetle.

I already stated that earlier on. Even on Twitter.
We all had hopes... :(

[Rallyper]

Why. Can be discussed... Maybe over some beers... ;)

[EstWRC]

Mikkelsen quickest now, it seems it is actually getting better now late starters

[itix]

I already stated that earlier on. Even on Twitter.
We all had hopes... :(No offense mate, but "we all" are you and your multiple personalities ;)

I lost hope ages ago...

The only hope for sweden as a rally nation these days is Solberg who seem to have switched to a swedish competitive license, but technically he isn't even 100 percent Swedish.

[AnttiL]

Mikkelsen fastest on first split

[AnttiL]

No offense mate, but "we all" are you and your multiple personalities ;)

I lost hope ages ago...

The only hope for sweden as a rally nation these days is Solberg who seem to have switched to a swedish competitive license, but technically he isn't even 100 percent Swedish.

I had hope before this season, but I lost it after Sweden. :( I was really looking forward to seeing Tidemand in a WRC car.

[itix]

Why. Can be discussed... Maybe over some beers... ;)And I'm all up for beers if we ever meet :)

[Rallyper]

No offense mate, but "we all" are you and your multiple personalities ;)

I lost hope ages ago...

The only hope for sweden as a rally nation these days is Solberg who seem to have switched to a swedish competitive license, but technically he isn't even 100 percent Swedish.

Excactly when...? What did you know, I didn´t, before... let´s say RMC?

Him, not driving rallies regularly, is maybe one point.

[Rallyper]

Multiple personalities? Explain, please.

[EstWRC]

very bad first split for Latvala


E: Lappi stopped just after start

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Nooo Lappi off...

[Rallyper]

Lappi off!!

[AnttiL]

Lights blinking so it has been a hard impact

[Rallyper]

No finns can help him...

[EstWRC]

what haeppened Latvala?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Rear is loose..

[EstWRC]

slow puncture for Latvala

[Rallyper]

Why no live from Lappi??

[AnttiL]

EDIT: Suninen's split was corrupted

[itix]

Excactly when...? What did you know, I didn´t, before... let´s say RMC?

Him, not driving rallies regularly, is maybe one point.Many different times.

The numerous times he had trouble beating his team mates like Kalle Rovanperä, Kopecky etc.

The time he was beaten in his home rally by Katsuta who's really just a national shop window decoration for Toyotas Japanese fans.

The time he failed win the WRC 2 championship several times.

I was hugely impressed by Tidemand when he was a young gun that just came on to the rally scene and led rally sweden.

After that he became more careful, less risk taking and his pace just vanished and he just got "stuck" like so many others before him.

So many drivers hit a development roof where they just simply can not coax more speed out of their driving. This happened to Tidemand as well.

I've seen this happen for many years and I knew already then that he was no hope for the future. I told you this in previous discussions too ;)

[itix]

Multiple personalities? Explain, please.It was a joke, nvm!

[AnttiL]

The time he was beaten in his home rally by Katsuta who's really just a national shop window decoration for Toyotas Japanese fans.

One word: Pirelli.

Also, Tidemand has his own topic.

[TypeR]

some technical issue for Lappi? seems quite a weird place to crash..

[EstWRC]

Meeke and Tänak bettered their time only by 3 secs, while Ogier and Neuville with 8 secs

[AnttiL]

some technical issue for Lappi? seems quite a weird place to crash..

Like I said, the crash indicator lights were blinking on the dashboard

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Classic GB with low sun on the screens...

[EstWRC]

the road looks awful a some parts...

[itix]

One word: Pirelli.

Also, Tidemand has his own topic.Let's just call Pirelli a factor, not an explanation.
A young Loeb or Ogier would have beaten Katsuta despite the tyres.

Never mind though, we're side tracking.

I'm discussing Tidemands pace in this rally which is an embarrassment.

[Rallyper]

Many different times.

The numerous times he had trouble beating his team mates like Kalle Rovanperä, Kopecky etc.

The time he was beaten in his home rally by Katsuta who's really just a national shop window decoration for Toyotas Japanese fans.

The time he failed win the WRC 2 championship several times.

I was hugely impressed by Tidemand when he was a young gun that just came on to the rally scene and led rally sweden.

After that he became more careful, less risk taking and his pace just vanished and he just got "stuck" like so many others before him.

So many drivers hit a development roof where they just simply can not coax more speed out of their driving. This happened to Tidemand as well.

I've seen this happen for many years and I knew already then that he was no hope for the future. I told you this in previous discussions too ;)

Well, well. It´s easy to be wise like this. When I´m saying "we" meaning there were a lot of people thinking he needed a proper chance.

Having said that, meaning also proper testing, good funding. Without that we have the situation. To that one can add some parts of your thoughts, but I think they are "efterkloka". Om du fattar...

[AnttiL]

To that one can add some parts of your thoughts, but I think they are "efterkloka". Om du fattar...

Javvist!

[AnttiL]

the road looks awful a some parts...

There's a really small road after the quarry, one of the roughest roads of the whole rally, along with the whole Elsi stage.

EDIT: Looks a bit rough also after the first tarmac section

[EstWRC]

Ogier has come alive after lunch, again quicker than Ott

[AnttiL]

Rovanperä is again faster than Tidemand

[Rallyper]

Not getting any better in the afternoon...

He drives like he has to pay whole car of 700k Euros himself if he crashes... :)

[AnttiL]

Not getting any better in the afternoon...
It seemed he gained his "usual pace" which is at least above the R5's on Dyfnant after making setup changes

[EstWRC]

Ott starting to fall away from Ogier and Neuville now

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ogier on his usual second pass push.

[AnttiL]

Ott starting to fall away from Ogier and Neuville now

Seems like he has issues with the dirty windscreen, washing it all the time. Ogier doesn't even have his wipers on.

[Mirek]

Rovanperä is again faster than Tidemand

... by nearly a second per kilometer...

[EstWRC]

Seems like he has issues with the dirty windscreen, washing it all the time. Ogier doesn't even have his wipers on.

this or the usual that Toyotas arent fast after lunch, it has been the trend this year

for example Ogier was faster in here than in the morning, Ott 5 secs slower than in the morning

[TypeR]

Seems like he has issues with the dirty windscreen, washing it all the time. Ogier doesn't even have his wipers on.
maybe something to do with Toyotas aero?

[AnttiL]

Apparently Østberg retired in the service park

https://twitter.com/MadsOstberg/status/1180126190700568576

EDIT: not retired, just 11 minutes late

[EstWRC]

wow Thierry even slower in the end

[AnttiL]

What a great battle for the lead positions, I was expecting a great rally but not this tense

[EstWRC]

Latvala stopped

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Dont blame others or look for reasons, its Ogier is just faster.

[Rallyper]

Latvala stopped!

[AnttiL]

perkele!

[EstWRC]

even Meeke slower, Ogier has been man on his own on this stage

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Rolled it...

[Rallyper]

Two finns out this afternoon then. Very bad!

[wia5958]

If you were Tommi do u tell Meeke to push to stay ahead of Ogier or stay in safe zone for Manu point's