[WRC] XION Rally Argentina | 25th - 28th April

[N.O.T]

Lol, the only wrong decision they made is to let go Lappi out of the team. For me Citroen is shitty team, not Toyota who by the way won the title straight away.

of course they won the title they were the only team with a steady 3 driver team on their second year and with Ogier at Ford and hyundai with 1 driver and 3 tourists.

anyone would have won that title...

[N.O.T]

ok need to go and install my up/down quickshifter for track use on my motorbike now that the rally is over...

enjoy the cruising of the big stage.

[dimviii]

[B]

WTF!

Ott said he wasnt on his maximum while Neuville said he was in the morning.

Always this accusations for Tänak driving without his head, that was in 2012.

dont believe always what drivers said at every stage stop.
Plenty of times they play mind games.

[dimviii]

its mikkelsen losing oil

yeap now they edited from wrc.com

[EstWRC]

i predict Ogier will be second after this long stage

[denkimi]

[B]

WTF!

Ott said he wasnt on his maximum while Neuville said he was in the morning.

Always this accusations for Tänak driving without his head, that was in 2012.
Tanak takes more risks than ogier or neuville. I wouldn't day he takes too much risks, his car should be able to handle it.
But he sometimes goes flat out in situations where the sensible thing to do is to slow down a bit.

And do you really believe that tanak was not on the limit? Pushing for the lead, setting fastest times. Lol.

[KKS]

I think it's nothing to do with luck anymore. This is poor quality from TGR. Nothing else. These cars just keep breaking down.
did you already know a reason of Tanak off?

[cali]

did you already know a reason of Tanak off?Have you watched this rally and seen that thus far only Tänak's car was without problems until this stage.... Don't try to be smartass with me. The car is fragile and we all know it.

[dimviii]

Latvala 12,5 from Sordo,lets see if he can take some time at the long one

[EstWRC]

Tanak takes more risks than ogier or neuville. I wouldn't day he takes too much risks, his car should be able to handle it.
But he sometimes goes flat out in situations where the sensible thing to do is to slow down a bit.

And do you really believe that tanak was not on the limit? Pushing for the lead, setting fastest times. Lol.


Yes, definitely not on the first two stages this morning where he was on par with Neuville and a little faster on next. Definitely he pushed on the long one because the gaps were massive there.

His normal pace is just so good nowadays that he keeps still setting fastest times even not pushing, like last year here in Argentina when he had already big gap while leading but still won stages left and right.

Thats my opinion. im just getting fed up already that every time everyone here says he pushed too much when he retires while no one mentions it when Ogier or Neuville reitre.

[TypeR]

wtf, that's rallying and if you want to win you have to push.. Toyota has unlimited budget and still unreliable car..

[deephouse]

If he call the most lucky guy out there we always know that this is Ogier. With so much moments, technical issues, spins and obviously off pace he always escape big issues and get to the good positions by the expense of others. Whenever he is not that lucky he start to using holes in the rules and make most out of it.

But on the other hand let's not call that luck at all. He is experienced enough to deal with such moments. With Polo days he have nt have many of it, but since Ford and now Citroen days he have a lot of it and he is strugling and still won at the end of the year. And have a little feeling he will win it again once more. Neuville and Tanak keep making stupid mistakes and don't take advantage of his problems.

[KKS]

Have you watched this rally and seen that thus far only Tänak's car was without problems until this stage.... Don't try to be smartass with me. The car is fragile and we all know it.
so you 146% know that Tanak didn't hit a rock and damage steering or something? Ott never make a mistake it's always Yaris fragile? yep?

[cali]

so you 146% know that Tanak didn't hit a rock and damage steering or something? Ott never make a mistake it's always Yaris fragile? yep?I look at the general picture and this conclusion is based even before this event. But I understand that it is maybe too difficult for you to understand. Oh boy whyy I even boyher with you....

[Fast Eddie WRC]

After all this time and we still dont know why Tanak was slow on the first stage or why he stopped...

That must be so remote.

[dimviii]

about the barrier where Ogier lost the power steering from hit



Budar
"The rule is very clear: you have to follow the road book and the road book is very clear: there is a barrier and you go [left]."



Ogier added: "We went left as we should, but we could see the track to the right [of the fence].

"For now, we think that those who have not gone [left] will have problems because they have not followed the road book.

"During the recos the side of the road was blocked, that's why I hesitated and slightly touched the barrier"

https://d2d0b2rxqzh1q5.cloudfront.net/sv/1.67/dir/368/image/3688fd1abd7a6e32f012dae263201e91.jpg

[EstWRC]

Mikkelsen fastest so far, no oil leak then i guess. Neuville crusing now

[deephouse]

about the barrier where Ogier lost the power steering from hit



Budar
"The rule is very clear: you have to follow the road book and the road book is very clear: there is a barrier and you go [left]."



Ogier added: "We went left as we should, but we could see the track to the right [of the fence].

"For now, we think that those who have not gone [left] will have problems because they have not followed the road book.

"During the recos the side of the road was blocked, that's why I hesitated and slightly touched the barrier"

https://d2d0b2rxqzh1q5.cloudfront.net/sv/1.67/dir/368/image/3688fd1abd7a6e32f012dae263201e91.jpg

Lol

[stefanvv]

After all this time and we still dont know why Tanak was slow on the first stage or why he stopped...

That must be so remote.

Looking at the trails after his car on the corner, I assume it's kind of drivetrain collapse.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Autosport
Toyota is still awaiting information about the nature of Tanak's problem, but a technical issue is likely to be to blame as there are no outwardly visible signs of damage to his car.

[KKS]

I look at the general picture and this conclusion is based even before this event. But I understand that it is maybe too difficult for you to understand. Oh boy whyy I even boyher with you....
If ALL YARIS have same issue - it's a car. Near all Tanak offs in 2018 - it's his mistakes.

[mknight]

about the barrier where Ogier lost the power steering from hit



Budar
"The rule is very clear: you have to follow the road book and the road book is very clear: there is a barrier and you go [left]."



Ogier added: "We went left as we should, but we could see the track to the right [of the fence].

"For now, we think that those who have not gone [left] will have problems because they have not followed the road book.

"During the recos the side of the road was blocked, that's why I hesitated and slightly touched the barrier"



Yeah they will go watch all onboards of other cars and try to get them penalized.

[cali]

If ALL YARIS have same issue - it's a car. Near all Tanak offs in 2018 - it's his mistakes.It would be strange if they used trolleybus in rallying so yeah it must be a car you genius

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Maybe Tanak means he's not pushing HIMSELF... not the car.

He's always sooo cool and relaxed and not stressed by his speed.

[EstWRC]

Meeke hold his position but im afraid Ogier will take him tomorrow, i hope not

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ogier making the point clear enough about the roadbook.

[mknight]

Yeah they will go watch all onboards of other cars and try to get them penalized.

Yeah and now he repeats it again.
While I do respect him as a driver he really will do everything to get even the slightest advantage.

[dimviii]

no restart for Evans tomorow

Ogier angry about the gate where he lost power steering

[Allez Andruet]

Roadbook is the bible. Everybody should know that. This all might get interesting...

[deephouse]

Roadbook is the bible. Everybody should know that. This all might get interesting...

And seems like Ogier is god. Everything he says and everything he do is sacred. Sportman of the year. Winy little girl...

[mknight]

Budar says "there is a barrier and you go left"... but there wasn't the barrier on first pass, just on second.

Anyway the onboards are not on yet so I have no idea who went there, but if penalties are handed out I hope they are on 5 max 10s level. Even 10s is a bit too much considering they probably gained like 1-2s maximum.

[wrc2017]

if the French Mafia get a penalty applied......

[wrc2017]

https://twitter.com/planetemarcus/status/1122128151012872193?s=19

[EstWRC]

Estonian news site: Toyota guys went to bring the car back, still no mobile or radio service there and they dont know exact the reason.

[dimviii]

Budar says "there is a barrier and you go left"... but there wasn't the barrier on first pass, just on second.

Anyway the onboards are not on yet so I have no idea who went there, but if penalties are handed out I hope they are on 5 max 10s level. Even 10s is a bit too much considering they probably gained like 1-2s maximum.

Ogier talking about ''positions change''

i want to listen Neuvilles comments

[Morte66]

Estonian news site: Toyota guys went to bring the car back, still no mobile or radio service there and they dont know exact the reason.

I wonder if it's cold there. Somebody mentioned it was -4 overnight, earlier today.

[pantealex]

Toyota moved their service operations to Estonia.
Is that one of the reasons why car is "weaker" now ?

Work etics ?
Service quality ?

Just asking!

[dimviii]

Gary Boyd #BBP
‏ @KiwiWRCfan


Thinking back to Rally Australia 2014 when Kris Meeke was penalised 61 seconds for all 4 wheels having left the designated route.
Will be interesting to see how SS11 is viewed by Stewards today

[racerx1979]

Maximum time gained from.going right on that barrier must be 1.2 seconds lol. Can't it be considered as cutting a corner? Especially if it's the Organizers fault the barrier was removed after recce then put back up... Citroen and Ogier getting desperate too early in the season... Panic mode in full affect

[cali]

Toyota moved their service operations to Estonia.
Is that one of the reasons why car is "weaker" now ?

Work etics ?
Service quality ?

Just asking!I'm actually asking the same question

[dimviii]

Toyota moved their service operations to Estonia.
Is that one of the reasons why car is "weaker" now ?

Work etics ?
Service quality ?

Just asking!

i dont think so.
if we had an incident about loose bolts,or something not properly installed yes.
But i dont think the case is something like that

[EstWRC]

weaker now?

its been weak since 2017

i wouldnt say its even weaker

E: i agree with dimviii

[TypeR]

they don't design or engineer engines, transmission or etc in Estonia..

[EstWRC]

TGR World Rally Team
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@TGR_WRC
35s36 seconds ago
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ℹ️ Update on car #8 of @OttTanak: The team is yet to recover the car and speak to the crew, but we know that battery charge was decreasing before the stage. Our working assumption is that it is alternator or battery related.


Latvala retired for the same reason in germany last year and i think he had the alternator problem also on some other rally last year

[Alex009]

Everything is over the top in Australia. Prices of homes, food and the I come to debt ratio of 99% of the population... I would say 5 sec penalties....

It should be much more than that, if the road book says that you have to go from left side of gate.

Doesnt matter how much you win by using wrong side or is there barrier on first loop. There was barrier in recce. Normal cutting is different situation, its not linked with road book. This is.

[mknight]

Gary Boyd #BBP
‏ @KiwiWRCfan


Thinking back to Rally Australia 2014 when Kris Meeke was penalised 61 seconds for all 4 wheels having left the designated route.
Will be interesting to see how SS11 is viewed by Stewards today

Similar issues I recall:
M. Martin sometime in 2004? cut completely across a camping area either in Mexico or Argentina. Think he got 30s or so of penalty. Couldn't find it using quick search.
on the other hand:
P. Solberg drove across a sealed-off bridge in Mexico sometime around 2007? where the barrier on the bridge was put after the recced so he gained a lot relative to others but got no penalty as it wasn't like that in recce.

[dimviii]

TGR World Rally Team
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@TGR_WRC
35s36 seconds ago
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ℹ️ Update on car #8 of @OttTanak: The team is yet to recover the car and speak to the crew, but we know that battery charge was decreasing before the stage. Our working assumption is that it is alternator or battery related.


Latvala retired for the same reason in germany last year and i think he had the alternator problem also on some other rally last year
wasnt and another time they had alternator problems?

[racerx1979]

What a shame... 2017/18 year was hydraulics for JMLand this year electrics?...

[wrc2017]

Mexico high temp

[TypeR]

Mexico high temp

1st it aint Mexico
2nd it aint hot

[dimviii]

P. Solberg drove across a sealed-off bridge in Mexico sometime around 2007? where the barrier on the bridge was put after the recced so he gained a lot relative to others but got no penalty as it wasn't like that in recce.

https://youtu.be/-rXtCeGdwzM?t=2223

[EstWRC]

Mexico high temp

ah yes, you are right, in mexico Latvala had something like that or electrical one?

[wrc2017]

correct. but someone asked where there previous rallys where alternator problem. I answered.

[HaCo]

With the onboards on WRC+, did someone find who did not take the gate?

[USER47]

There are no onboards for SS11 yet:(.

[Morte66]

With the onboards on WRC+, did someone find who did not take the gate?

Today's onboards aren't there yet, they usually appear the next day.

[mknight]

https://youtu.be/-rXtCeGdwzM?t=2223

So following Ogier/Budar, Loeb should have been penalized on top of already loosing time.

[EstWRC]

he is whining because he hit the bridge, if he hadnt im sure he wouldnt talk about it

[HaCo]

Ok, thanks for the quick response... I'm very curious.

[wrc2017]

according to autosport.. inside line was barricaded off on recce' but not on first pass' it was on 2nd pass it... so I'd put this down to marshalling issue.. if you approaching this at 80mph.. you have not time to figure out if there should be tape there or not. ogier did.. and hit bridge. he should just get over it.

[dimviii]

an example hypothetical...

if Lappi was 1st or 2nd and he had used the same route as the rest,would Ogier asked for penalties that would ''change positions''?

[mknight]

Well it's Ogier, he will do everything "within" the rules to get some advantage. Last year at Msport he went as far as forcing FIA to change the rules as you all remember. He is a magnificent driver, but also a bit of an *hole.

Pic from second pass here:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D5Lj11fX4AA7-iB.jpg

[tc10a]

according to autosport.. inside line was barricaded off on recce' but not on first pass' it was on 2nd pass it... so I'd put this down to marshalling issue.. if you approaching this at 80mph.. you have not time to figure out if there should be tape there or not. ogier did.. and hit bridge. he should just get over it.

You need to see the roadbook box. If there is a clear order how to drive this passage than thats the only correct way. Thats the regulations, no matter who benefits or gets penalized.

[Mirek]

I wonder why Bulacia has superally time. There is now way in hell for this pile of scrap to be repaired.

[wrc2017]

You need to see the roadbook box. If there is a clear order how to drive this passage than thats the only correct way. Thats the regulations, no matter who benefits or gets penalized.

i think citroen we careful not to say ' you must go around bridge' ...all they said in autosport.com was that the right hand way was baricaded off on recce.... well on the 1st pass it wasnt... no penalty..

Budar

***
"The rule is very clear: we have to follow the road book. And the road book is very clear: there is a barrier and you go [on the left].

"During the recce the gate [on the right] was closed and there was also a barrier - we know this because we checked from the recce video.
**

[janvanvurpa]

I hope they will have a serious look into that. Steel tubes are not supposed to crack.
The wall thickness is super thin... and the gusset is also silly thin...Anything for weight I guess but there are rules.

[steve.mandzij]

TGR World Rally Team
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@TGR_WRC
35s36 seconds ago
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Update on car #8 of @OttTanak: The team is yet to recover the car and speak to the crew, but we know that battery charge was decreasing before the stage. Our working assumption is that it is alternator or battery related.


Latvala retired for the same reason in germany last year and i think he had the alternator problem also on some other rally last yearCan't remember if it was alternator related but the Yaris' electricals also failed Latvala in Finland 2017 when he retired out of the lead.

[mknight]

Can't remember if it was alternator related but the Yaris' electricals also failed Latvala in Finland 2017 when he retired out of the lead.

They said it was engine management unit failure then.

[wrc2017]

also... budar says.. "It's not our job to check. We have seen on some videos two different lines, so it's now for the FIA or somebody to check what is the proper line to be followed."
so they dont know if anyone went right or left... they only seen tyre marks?
but ogier at stage end was adament, that the order will change...
so, if the videos are not online... how does ogier know that the order will change? how does me know if nevuille, mikkelsen or meeke.. went right?
has budar some inside information? and how did he get it?

[EstWRC]

it gets even better...

Kaj Lindström sayin the problem on SS13 wasnt alternator related, there was a loss of power for Tänak because the valves didnt open after watersplash and the engine didnt get enough air.

[mknight]

Anyway looking forward to watch the onboards,

It's on 18:09 Ogier's time.
The ones that drove before were: Suninen, Latvala, Sordo, Mikkelsen, Meeke, Tanak
Neuville went after but he also could have cut then.

[wrc2017]

shiiiiiit... thats bad.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ogier must've seen and been following the lines, then saw they went right when his notes said left.

[Allez Andruet]

And seems like Ogier is god. Everything he says and everything he do is sacred. Sportman of the year. Winy little girl...

Rules are rules. It really as simple as that.

[dimviii]

it gets even better...

Kaj Lindström sayin the problem on SS13 wasnt alternator related, there was a loss of power for Tänak because the valves didnt open after watersplash and the engine didnt get enough air.

probably means the ''valves'' that protect water to sucked from engine
these valves open and closes manually from the co-driver if i remember correct.
so they tried to open the valve after the water pass and didnt opened,or they forgot to open?

[mknight]

They just showed onboard of Tanak and Meeke who went right.

[EstWRC]

probably means the ''valves'' that protect water to sucked from engine
these valves open and closes manually from the co-driver if i remember correct.
so they tried to open the valve after the water pass and didnt opened,or they forgot to open?

yes those valves, maybe flaps is better to say about them? google translate wasnt very helpful about this :D those didnt open according Lindström, yesterday the had the problem that it didnt close before the watersplash

[dimviii]

guys dont know if its right or false,just post it here


Michel XIV
‏ @rockollector
Replying to @Andrea____G @KiwiWRCfan @TorAndreBorrese

Meeke and Tanak took the wrong way, the rest they didn't say.

[denkimi]

The wall thickness is super thin... and the gusset is also silly thin...Anything for weight I guess but there are rules.
Even thin metal should bend and not crack.

They must have put huge amounts of heat in it while welding and then cooled it down way too fast too make it that brittle.

[dimviii]

yes those valves, maybe flaps is better to say about them? google translate wasnt very helpful about this :D those didnt open according Lindström, yesterday the had the problem that it didnt close before the watersplash

yeap flaps are more correct word.
so seems that wasnt Tanak or Jarveoja mistake.
But lets wait for the official announcement from Toyota

[mknight]

guys dont know if its right or false,just post it here


Michel XIV
‏ @rockollector
Replying to @Andrea____G @KiwiWRCfan @TorAndreBorrese

Meeke and Tanak took the wrong way, the rest they didn't say.

They showed it on alllive.

Ogier now saying Mikkelsen also maybe went right, but he isn't sure.

[steve.mandzij]

yes those valves, maybe flaps is better to say about them? google translate wasnt very helpful about this :D those didnt open according Lindström, yesterday the had the problem that it didnt close before the watersplashAnd Latvala's went wonky today too which caused a misfire. Sounds like the last part id have imagined failing.

[Mirek]

The wall thickness is super thin... and the gusset is also silly thin...Anything for weight I guess but there are rules.

There are clearly given requirements for the rollcage and during the homologation the manufacturer is obliged to proof they are met.

I admit I don't know what exactly is required now but when I studied the rules roughly ten years a go the rollcage was being loaded only in a semi-static case in the homologation testing/simulations per FIA requirement (15 seconds to reach the full load if I remember correctly). The testing load was 7,5 x (vehicle weight + 150 kg) for the main arc and 3,5 x (vehicle weight + 150 kg) for the front arc in that time (no crack and no deformation over 50-100 mm as a limit was required). The minimal size of the broken tube was 35 x 1,5 mm if I am not mistaken. It's very clear that in this case of Bulacia's accident the load compared to the testing conditions was higher by an order of magnitude at least.

It looks horrible for sure but we don't know how other rollcages would behave in the same kind of accident when the car flies in the air and lands exactly on the roof. This is very freak accident configuration.

[dimviii]

And Latvala's went wonky today too which caused a misfire. Sounds like the last part id have imagined failing.

also Meeke said that he had brake problems after watersplash?

[EstWRC]

also Meeke said that he had brake problems after watersplash?

yep, Tänak too yesterday on the morning stages, then in the service the enginers fixed it somehow.


the list is just endless :D

[Fast Eddie WRC]

M-Sport
Having assessed the damage back in service, the team have decided to retire @ElfynEvans and will now focus on preparing the EcoBoost-powered Ford Fiesta WRC ahead of the next event in Chile #WRCLive https://t.co/DyiEQmtjHD

[wrc2017]

yep, Tänak too yesterday on the morning stages, then in the service the enginers fixed it somehow.


the list is just endless :D

meeke just said he was driving all yesterday afternoon with a broken roll bar..

[dimviii]

They showed it on alllive.

Ogier now saying Mikkelsen also maybe went right, but he isn't sure.

Neuville drove at left.

[EstWRC]

so Neuville took the left side road as Ogier i read on twitter

[Morte66]

meeke just said he was driving all yesterday afternoon with a broken roll bar..

Holy *@&#

Not good.

[drive]

thats not only luck, Ogier knows how ro drive :)
https://www.facebook.com/purorallyvictorlopez/videos/424964681384259/

[Rally Power]

Maximum time gained from.going right on that barrier must be 1.2 seconds lol. Can't it be considered as cutting a corner? Especially if it's the Organizers fault the barrier was removed after recce then put back up... Citroen and Ogier getting desperate too early in the season... Panic mode in full affect

How much did Ogier gain for hitting the barrier last year in Mexico? Hitting a barrier or cutting a corner should never be penalized in a rally because it’s part of the sport nature; the purpose is to follow the route without the need to be inside its limits, once this is not circuit racing. Unfortanetly some years ago the FIA officials started to think differently and penalties become current; in that sense Ogier is entitle to ask for those to be applied.

Btw, this ‘Tanak dominates until car fails’ routine is frustrating; only WRC2 Pro farce seems to be worse (even if Ostberg stopped moaning). Hopefully P2 figth will be exciting to follow; fingers crossed.

[mknight]

How much did Ogier gain for hitting the barrier last year in Mexico? Hitting a barrier or cutting a corner should never be penalized in a rally because it’s part of the sport nature; the purpose is to follow the route without the need to be inside its limits, once this is not circuit racing. Unfortanetly some years ago the FIA officials started to think differently and penalties become current; in that sense Ogier is entitle to ask for those to be applied.


Well it is not hard to see that the Ogier penalty in Mexico 2018 was a lot about "punishing" him for starting the Powerstage mess in Sweden. (followed in Mexico by Neuville and Tanak)


EDIT2: Actually after double checking the attached pic does indeed show the correct spot in the roadbook.
Seems to just show "go trough gate" (probably marking a pole on the right side, since both sides were open and there was a pole on the right in both openings it's imo hard to punish people for not following it.

[EstWRC]

at least the fans are happy https://www.facebook.com/MartinJarveojaFanpage/videos/555464921643106/

[wrc2017]

fair play to spectators..👍👍

[Morte66]

Do we know whether Tanak will restart and be in the power stage?

[mknight]

Do we know whether Tanak will restart and be in the power stage?

Car still shows in the stage. That doesn't necessarily mean it is still there, but usually immediately when they put power into the electronics in service park it resets to the correct position there. (Evans did) So it probalby isn't in service park yet.

[wrc2017]

if flap stuck closed.. simply means engine starved of air... if flap stuck open... it could mean bent engine valves.

[dimviii]

"I said last night that it was necessary to copy and paste the first day, and today, we managed to do better!" Exclaimed Thierry Neuville at the microphone Olivier Gaspard, the envoy RTBF special in Argentina We can be very satisfied with the day The car was impeccable I knew that Ott Tanak had a problem, he started the engine just five seconds before starting the stage. He knew he was not going to go very far, everything can still happen tomorrow, we'll have to manage better and try to get through the three stages we have left, they're pretty brittle. we know that we will probably be struggling on some upcoming rounds (sweeping Friday, especially in Chile, Ed). "


"I was in a fight with Ott Tanak, and he seems to have cut too, and in that situation I would also be pleading for a penalty." I went to the left. Nicolas (Gilsoul, his co-driver, Ed) had told me during the reconnaissance that it was absolutely necessary to go to the left, by the barrier.It is certainly easy to lose three to four seconds, but That's how it was, in previous years you could go right, this year no, and you have to respect the course, but my main competitor is not racing, so somewhere I do not care! "

https://www.rtbf.be/sport/moteurs/rallye/wrc/detail_neuville-tres-satisfait-mais-si-on-gagne-on-sait-qu-on-va-galerer-sur-les-manches-a-venir?id=10206698&fbclid=IwAR2RgjjoNKcKx1phYXgPI_7boAdAj_HaXiBG-xRATr-J2gAKg4e4LLJuF3Q

[steve.mandzij]

Car still shows in the stage. That doesn't necessarily mean it is still there, but usually immediately when they put power into the electronics in service park it resets to the correct position there. (Evans did) So it probalby isn't in service park yet.Was just there, neither the car nor Tanak were there. Kaj said in the meet the crews that he hadn't heard anything at all from them since they had no radio signals, so the team doesn't know yet what happened.

[BigWorm]

SS11 onboards starting to drop in on WRC+ (only Toyotas so far)

[EstWRC]

Was just there, neither the car nor Tanak were there. Kaj said in the meet the crews that he hadn't heard anything at all from them since they had no radio signals, so the team doesn't know yet what happened.

Well Martin just arrived back on the bike driven by local guy :D.(video on his Instagram story) But the car still wasn’t there.

Interesting comment there by neuville quaoted by dimviii that he knew Ott wasn’t going far but he didn’t mentioned anything at the stage end.

[stefanvv]

if flap stuck closed.. simply means engine starved of air... if flap stuck open... it could mean bent engine valves.

It could mean severe engine damage, water in the cylinders can damage everything.

[wrc2017]

It could mean severe engine damage, water in the cylinders can damage everything.

first thing is valves.. as water doesn't compress to easily..

[mknight]

There is no watersplash anywhere between the start of the stage and where Tanak stopped. So it sounds more like the alternator, this talk about water is maybe some confusion?

[wrc2017]

Neville knew before he stated stage.. so issue from previous stage?

[EstWRC]

There is no watersplash anywhere between the start of the stage and where Tanak stopped. So it sounds more like the alternator, this talk about water is maybe some confusion?

The watersplash related issues are about ss13. Alternator issue on ss14.

[stefanvv]

first thing is valves.. as water doesn't compress to easily..

ok expert

[mknight]

The watersplash related issues are about ss13. Alternator issue on ss14.

I don't see any watersplashes on SS13 either...

[EstWRC]

Well, then I don’t know either. I just quoted what Linstrom said but maybe he messed something up?

Alternator it must be then.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Citroen Racing
Confused when the route seemed to differ from the roadbook, @SebOgier lost a lot of time, breaking the power steering. He then showed great skill to fight his way back to podium places.

🇫🇷 https://t.co/YL5Ol3C78h
🇬🇧 https://t.co/rcphQ7sIWd
#WRC #C3WRC https://t.co/83aRwUZvMc

[dimviii]

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[KiwiWRCfan]

from TGR end of day media release
"He [Ott] ended the morning loop only 6.4 seconds from the lead, but stopped on SS14 after he had started to lose battery voltage prior to the stage. The team is preparing the car to restart on the final day from ninth position overall."

[dimviii]

Tommi Mäkinen (Team Principal)

“Ott was showing very good performance again here in Argentina until he had to stop this afternoon. We are investigating the problem, but we know that the battery was losing voltage prior to the stage, so we think it is probably something to do with the alternator or battery.

https://toyotagazooracing.com/release/2019/wrc/rd05-day3.html

[EstWRC]

Ott Tänak (Driver car 8)
“We had a good start this morning. The roads today were very different to what we had yesterday: really smooth and fast in places. There were still a few slippery places, so the grip was inconsistent. We were looking forward to having a big push in the afternoon, but we knew in the first stage that we had a problem, that the battery voltage was going down, and in the second stage we had to retire. Of course, it’s disappointing. With the performance we have I believe we are capable of winning any rally, but we still have some work to do. Tomorrow we’ll do what we can, and we’ll keep pushing: it’s a long season.”

[KiwiWRCfan]

an example hypothetical...
... if Lappi was 1st or 2nd and he had used the same route as the rest,would Ogier asked for penalties that would ''change positions''?

An excellent hypothetical.
Ogier/Citroen may not have asked for penalties if it hurt their drivers title chances ... .... but another team probably would have asked for penalties if it assisted their drivers/manufacturers title chances.

[KiwiWRCfan]

SS11 Gate-gate penalty
Mads Ostberg, Ott Tanak and Kris Meeke have all received a 10 second penalty for taking right hand option thru gate rather than road book indicated (left hand) option over cattle grid.
Seb Ogier move up into P3, Dani Sordo up into P4 and Kris Meeke drops down to P5.
Stewards decision re Mads can be found here http://www.rallyargentina.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Stewards-Decision-No.-3.pdf

[ruesluporp]

With Ostberg, Tanak and Meeke received a 10 sec penalty!

https://zupimages.net/up/19/17/n3c0.jpg (http://zupimages.net/viewer.php?id=19/17/n3c0.jpg)

[mknight]

I posted the roadbook box here: https://www.motorsportforums.com/showthread.php?40193-WRC-XION-Rally-Argentina-25th-28th-April&p=1215267&viewfull=1#post1215267
, it's missing the explanation of the symbol which is mentioned in the decision. If it really means "gate" rather than "pole on right" (which I thought), it's hard to argue against.

In other news Tanak might just about be able to catch Ostberg for 8th.

[AnttiL]

I think the definitive thing is the cattle grid which is on the left route, not on the right. The road book tells you to drive over a cattle grid.

Last year the route went through the right path with the cattle grid blocked

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D5N0reRXoAAMiAN.jpg:large

[EstWRC]

So Ogier got what he wanted again.

[EstWRC]

Sunday start order
#WRC

Tanak
Suninen
Latvala
Meeke
Sordo
Ogier
Mikkelsen
Neuville

I think the gap between Tänak and Ostberg is too big, 2 minutes with only 52kms left. Plus Ott is opening the road.

[AnttiL]

Last year the fastest R5 was 1:13 slower than the fastest WRC car on the Sunday leg. So unless Østberg hits trouble or drives super carefully, no chance for Tänak.

[lankey555]

I hope Ogier goes off the road today after complaining about gate post

[Allez Andruet]

I hope Ogier goes off the road today after complaining about gate post

It's Ogier's fault that Meeke & co did not follow the roadbook?

[Mintexmemory]

It's Ogier's fault that Meeke & co did not follow the roadbook?
Also The Notre Dame fire, Brexit and the Mass Extinction Event!
A podium is still in reach, Meeke will have to be a different KM to be third by the end.

[racerx1979]

I bet people are now wishing they went after Seb when he forgot his time card in Sardignia...

[racerx1979]

Or did they all go after them for that fiasco??

[EstWRC]

I bet people are now wishing they went after Seb when he forgot his time card in Sardignia...

past is past.

and it was the kind hearted Ott Tänak who decided he will bring to Ogier.

[racerx1979]

Ah yes I remember that now lol. And this year Ott gets a nice 10 sec penality... If was still in the chase it would have been a shitty situation for him...

Today will be a good Sunday. The stages are epic...

[Morte66]

Man, that was a bad afternoon for Toyota. From a reasonable position at lunchtime, Meeke dropped 2 places on a penalty, and Tanak is restarting.

I guess Meeke is 4 seconds behind Sordo now. That would be worth chasing, but I wouldn't blame the team if they want Meeke and Latvala to avoid going crazy today.

[AnttiL]

Today will be a good Sunday. The stages are epic...

It's like a different rally from now on, all slow (except El Condor beginning) and partly very rough. And all three stages today are driven uphill, which could lead into overheating problems.

[AnttiK7]

Ogier is not a six-time World Champion for nothing. He never gives up, is ruthless and will fight like a hyena for every possible little advantage that he can gain, both on the stage and off it. I like that. He has more F1 mentality than the usually more gentlemanly WRC drivers. Especially after the VW time this trait has really come to the fore big time, when he has to really fight hard for his titles. Loeb is still the greatest for me, but let's keep in mind Ogier has packed six in a row in an era that is far more competitive than Loeb's Championship years were. If the Age of Sebs ends before Ogier retires, whoever ends it will have really had to work for it.

[ruesluporp]

I hope Ogier goes off the road today after complaining about gate post

I hope your favorite driver's teeth and hair will fall out!

[EstWRC]

who remembers this from rally mexico?

Toyota testing new alternator that stopped Latvala on Rally Mexico https://www.autosport.com/wrc/news/142057/toyota-testing-new-alternator-after-mexico


i wonder if they had the new one now. curious to know

[Norm75]

Man, that was a bad afternoon for Toyota. From a reasonable position at lunchtime, Meeke dropped 2 places on a penalty, and Tanak is restarting.

I guess Meeke is 4 seconds behind Sordo now. That would be worth chasing, but I wouldn't blame the team if they want Meeke and Latvala to avoid going crazy today.

While I kind of agree, with latvala and Tanak in the points I think it would be a shame not to allow Kris to fight for third, given the bad luck he's had so far he has deserved at least one podium this year.

And Kris is 1.2 behind sordo, 7.2 behind Ogier.

[racerx1979]

TGR in general is riddled with alternator issues throughout their racing genres... I think they need a new supplier but politics are strong.... LeMans car had alternator failure along with many circuit racing cars during testing... Pity

[mknight]

In Mexico J. Porter was saying that (all) WRC cars turn off the alternator in stagemode so that they don't reduce engine power. Somehow i don't get how that fits with Tanak "loosing charge" on SS13?

I get that if he couldn't charge between SS13 and SS14 and started SS14 with weak battery he then retired, but they said he started loosing charge in the middle of SS13.

-------------
Btw. another car that always seemed to have alternator issues was Peugeot 207 S2000.

[Tarmop]

Not so sure about that, the batteries in these cars are so tiny, and that car, once it is started (again, huge amount of power) is a big consumer itself, not to mention nightstages, where there are massive amounts of additonal lighting fitted (some still use halogens i believe? in any case, consumption is high, several hundred watts)+ ofc FIA and All live equipment. Going 50 km on a batterie with this i can`t imagine...
Maybe there is an option, to get that "extra boost", on some shorter stages?

[dimviii]

Not so sure about that, the batteries in these cars are so tiny, and that car, once it is started (again, huge amount of power) is a big consumer itself, not to mention nightstages, where there are massive amounts of additonal lighting fitted (some still use halogens i believe? in any case, consumption is high, several hundred watts)+ ofc FIA and All live equipment. Going 50 km on a batterie with this i can`t imagine...
Maybe there is an option, to get that "extra boost", on some shorter stages?

you are right,you cant compete at a 20-30-40km stage without alternator charging the battery.
but you can tune through the ecu to ''neutralise'' the alternator at given circumstances through the stage/or road

[dimviii]

Loeb is still the greatest for me, but let's keep in mind Ogier has packed six in a row in an era that is far more competitive than Loeb's Championship years were .

yes these 4 years (out of the six championships) with vw, the competition was extremely high.lol

[Tarmop]

yes these 4 years (out of the six championships) with vw, the competition was extremely high.lol

I would say, that Ogier has met similar competition to Loeb`s in the current generation only, whereas Loeb had the likes of Märtin, Grönholm, Hirvonen, Sainz, Mcrae, Mäkinen and others to compete with...so yeah, makes sense, if you switch the names.:D

[steve.mandzij]

I would say, that Ogier has met similar competition to Loeb`s in the current generation only, whereas Loeb had the likes of Märtin, Grönholm, Hirvonen, Sainz, Mcrae, Mäkinen and others to compete with...so yeah, makes sense, if you switch the names.:DLatvala was always a worthy competitor to Ogier, even if he either crashed himself or had the car crash him out of his VW campaigns.

Loeb mostly had competition from Gronholm and Hirvonen, while the rest were quite old already (and Martin retired very early on).

[Tarmop]

Can`t argue, but can`t agree also...
2003, ok, he lost to Solberg with 1 point and in general, the top was together until the end...https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_World_Rally_Championship
2004 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_World_Rally_Championship
and the list goes on and on. In any case, Ogier has had competition from 1, max. 2 guys before, still each time he was crowned champion 2-3 rallies before the end. Today he also has competition from...two guys, with the exception that the fight goes further, even until the last stages of the season.

[dimviii]

Latvala was always a worthy competitor to Ogier, even if he either crashed himself or had the car crash him out of his VW campaigns.

worthy competitor?
2016 Ogier 268 points Latvala 112
2015 Ogier 263 Latvala 183
2014 Ogier 267 Latvala 218
2013 Ogier 290 Latvala 162

Loeb mostly had competition from Gronholm and Hirvonen, while the rest were quite old already (and Martin retired very early on).

Only Sainz was ''old''

[AnttiK7]

Nothing away from master Loeb, but I think there is no dispute that WRC has been more competitive from 2017 onwards at least than in any of Loeb's Championship years. Sainz, Mäkinen & McRae were not Loeb's era really, but the previous era that was bowing out as Loeb was getting in to his stride. Still, Loeb would have probably won those titles anyway, no matter what the competition. But the way I remember it, WRC in about 2006-2009 was really depressing and it wasn't because of Loeb's domination, but because the level of competition was really poor compared to the preceding era and even the cars were more boring than in the previous or following era. I'd say we are definitely living a golden era again and let's enjoy it while it lasts.

[AnttiK7]

Yesterday's gate-gate brought a little flashback into my mind. Nothing new about Argentina & roadbook confusions. :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyNy4grO04E&t=6m30s

[wrc2017]

imagine ogier has committed to right hand gate'as he almost did, and hit gate with left wheel, instead or right.. and continued with broken power steering. would citroen still have complained. Citroen's only focus was to gain road position of day 3.. and the FIA obliged.

[Rally Power]

I bet people are now wishing they went after Seb when he forgot his time card in Sardignia...

Like Mr. Wilson answered then: what time card?

Again: people shouldn’t blame Ogier; they should blame the FIA for starting to penalize corners cutting or artificial barriers hitting. This is rally, not circuit racing and improvisation should be part of the driving.

[Jarek Z]

Yesterday's gate-gate brought a little flashback into my mind. Nothing new about Argentina & roadbook confusions. :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyNy4grO04E&t=6m30s

Wow! Great video, thanks for finding it and posting.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

imagine ogier has committed to right hand gate'as he almost did, and hit gate with left wheel, instead or right.. and continued with broken power steering. would citroen still have complained. Citroen's only focus was to gain road position of day 3.. and the FIA obliged.

If Ogier hadnt damaged his steering going the correct way at the last second, I doubt he would've made anything of the mistake by the others...

But he was 'penalised' by broken PAS and the others werent even though they went the wrong way.

[wrc2017]

sordo just said meeke will still start behind sordo and ogier, becuase the road order was published before the penalty was issued... interesting

[AnttiK7]

I was also reminded of this. :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxwGdup6L6U&t=10m25s

Yes it's Safari, but still modern era WRC. Difference being, apparently the roadbook in that case had two options on which route to take, so all ok. I remember cases from past with huge shortcuts that are more like blatant cheating than just improvising a little bit. Delecour in 1994 Monte Carlo comes to mind when he cut a huge field and gained something like 20-30 seconds, according to Kankkunen. I don't think he was carrying an onboard camera in that rally. Ironically, karma bit Delecour and he got disqualified that year for an apparently accidental shortcut in the RAC. Also remember from the last day of Finland 2013 when Neuville and Östberg were making big shortcuts across some grass field in front of the TV cameras. No penalties, but I think they were told not to do it on the second run. Where do you draw the line?

[KKS]

haha Meeke comment about gate penalty - was perfect ))))

[Morte66]

There seems to be less discussion of road order in this rally. Is it making less difference than usual?

[dimviii]

haha Meeke comment about gate penalty - was perfect ))))

give us a link

[wrc2017]

give us a link

he said ogier's indecisiveness cost him a lot more than his 10s penalty..

[racerx1979]

That's a pretty accurate statement from Meeke

[AnttiL]

Citroen's only focus was to gain road position of day 3.. and the FIA obliged.

This penalty doesn't alter the road order. Ogier will start before Meeke.

[EstWRC]

virtual standings at the moment

Neuville 107
Ogier 95
Tänak 79
Meeke 52
Evans 43
Mikkelsen 30

Last year after Argentina

Neuville 100
Ogier 90
Tänak 72

basically same

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D5PGuWlW4AANPdt.jpg

[dimviii]

All the Michelin @OfficialWRC drivers with 5 MICHELIN LTX Force Medium (M6)

[Rallyper]

All this technical inventions having no or at least small addition from alternator on stages makes me think. The more gizmos you put in a rallycar, the more things can break down...

Just a small tip to Toyota and the rest of the pack as well...

[racerx1979]

I'll pass this valuable info to the Toyota engineers. Thanks for your help... :D

[dimviii]

3 minutes intervals for all crews

[Rallyper]

I'll pass this valuable info to the Toyota engineers. Thanks for your help... :D

One could count the amount of money Otts retirement cost yesterday, against som hundreds of seconds it had gained... Plus other alternator failures...

[EstWRC]

Meeke fastest in first split, cmon!

[wrc2017]

goo meeke!!!!

[N.O.T]

Meeke pushes....

[EstWRC]

amazing split in second, 3.4 up on Ogier already!

[KKS]

Oh man! C'mon Meeke!

[Lead]

Meeke is going for it!

[EstWRC]

6 seconds in third split!

[wrc2017]

6up....cooooomonnnnnnnn!!!!

[EstWRC]

6.6 secs in 4th split

[Lead]

Neauville on cruise mode

[EstWRC]

Meeke didnt make it yet

[deephouse]

Hope he really take that place from him. He deserves it.

[KKS]

top job Kris. *clapping*

[Morte66]

Hang on to your hats.

[dimviii]

car is not working..

[wrc2017]

car is not working..

ogier? of course its not...

[EstWRC]

Mads lost a lot, Tänak definitely has a chance now

[racerx1979]

Meeke on fire!

Ogier complaining about the car... That's new :rolleyes:

[KKS]

Mads lost a lot, Tänak definitely has a chance now
r5 car without pacenotes and no need to push

[EstWRC]

without pacenotes? wow

[KKS]

without pacenotes? wow
intercom problems

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Massive team-mate role here for Meeke to take points off Ogier for Tanak and score Toyota some Manu points.

Hope he doesnt drop it pushing too hard.

[TypeR]

leaked photo of Toyota Yaris rally Chile edition

[deephouse]

Massive team-mate role here for Meeke to take points off Ogier for Tanak and score Toyota some Manu points.

Hope he doesnt drop it pushing too hard.

Ogi will again find some way to take advantage and hurt others. Like always. He just don't want to admit that he is a loser.

[N.O.T]

Ogi will again find some way to take advantage and hurt others. Like always. He just don't want to admit that he is a loser.

calling a 6 times world champion a loser is not exactly correct... he is just not man enough.

its ok though many men of today prefer the pet role instead of the husband one...

[KKS]

EDIT2: Actually after double checking the attached pic does indeed show the correct spot in the roadbook.
Seems to just show "go trough gate" (probably marking a pole on the right side, since both sides were open and there was a pole on the right in both openings it's imo hard to punish people for not following it.
according to that - all drivers take a road book order. They all drive between fences. Here is not a 'prohibited' route and rally route.

[mknight]

according to that - all drivers take a road book order. They all drive between fences. Here is not a 'prohibited' route and rally route.

That was my take at the time I wrote the post. But the stewards decisions says there is an explanation of the symbol on some other page in the roadbook. So that it says "drive trough the cattle-gate (or whatever the right term is in english" . Left side is a cattle-gate,right isn't.

[Lead]

Meeke's fightback makes this final rally day worth following.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Rich Millener ‏@richmillener

Cue the A-Team theme tune. Getting fixed up for Chile. @MSportLtd @rallyargentina @OfficialWRC #bigjob

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D5PRgurWsAEDQuY.jpg

[EstWRC]

Latvala already 4 secs up on Sordo

it seems Mäkinen has said, boys give it all

[EstWRC]

Sordo 8 secs slower in second split, Latvala will get him

[KKS]

-10,6
2,3 to go

[N.O.T]

-10,6
2,3 to go

sordo is nothing... when was the last time he actually won a battle for a position ?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Meeke has 3rd on the road.

[N.O.T]

Ogier lost time between split 2-3

[Lead]

Slower 3rd split from Ogier

[EstWRC]

Latvala has had a amazing stage here

[krissucool]

Tbf NOT has a point, when has Sordo won a battle for a position? He seems to be slower with every stage every rally, starting quite ok but at the end one of the slowest cars. Incredibly poor.

[EstWRC]

Neuville fastest on first split, where the hurry?

[wrc2017]

Tbf NOT has a point, when has Sordo won a battle for a position? He seems to be slower with every stage every rally, starting quite ok but at the end one of the slowest cars. Incredibly poor.

but he gets you points.

[wrc2017]

meeke 6 up on ogier..... meeke matching latvala.... ogier now 8s down on latvala

[N.O.T]

Ogier loses more time... he has some kind of problem.

[deephouse]

Ogier loses more time... he has some kind of problem.

No not him, the car, enviroment and others don't follow rules.

[krissucool]

Ogier loses more time... he has some kind of problem.

Yes, the problem is he is driving slow.

[wrc2017]

Ogier loses more time... he has some kind of problem.

the car.. i can tell you now.. even before the interview.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

The C3 just hasnt got the speed here.

[EstWRC]

the penalty didnt help

[EstWRC]

Neuville still the fastest man out there

[N.O.T]

5.2 Meeke ahead now...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Easy 3rd place for Meeke.

[krissucool]

Come on Meeke, it is payback time. Show that frog!

[EstWRC]

and again a some steering problem with the Toyota for Meeke

lol

[KKS]

"Some justice in a sport"©

[deephouse]

and again a some steering problem with the Toyota for Meeke

lol

It could be mind game, just to fire Ogier.

[wrc2017]

and again a some steering problem with the Toyota for Meeke

lol

if its electric assisted power steering, and he near stalled, could the power steering stop?

[KKS]

2 Huyndays are top fastest in a stage and one opposite side. What wrong?

[krissucool]

Btw, why has Teemu driven on Bertellis pace this rally?

[dimviii]

Btw, why has Teemu driven on Bertellis pace this rally?

probably under strict rules to finish the rally,after so many offs

[krissucool]

probably under strict rules to finish the rally,after so many offs

Well ok but what good does it do for anyone if he finishes 7nth, 3 minutes a drift of every other WRC? What is the team going to do with those points, fight for the title? (Lol)

Really poor team management if that is the case.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Btw, why has Teemu driven on Bertellis pace this rally?

M-Sport dont need more repairs, esp after Evans off and Chile coming up.

Plus Suninen was never here in a WRC car before so needs the experience.

[krissucool]

M-Sport dont need more repairs, esp after Evans off and Chile coming up.

Plus Suninen was never here in a WRC car before so needs the experience.

But he was here last year. Already doing that experience gaining snail pace drive.
Cant really say that 2nd year straight.

[Morte66]

I don't suppose the persistent intercom problems helped Suuninen, either.

[denkimi]

What the fuck is neuville doing driving the fastest time? Why is he not saving his tyres for the powerstage?

[TypeR]

What the fuck is neuville doing driving the fastest time? Why is he not saving his tyres for the powerstage?
actually that's okay, Ott and Seb have done the same. If you have a good feeling and rhythm, then you just do your thing and you are fastest

[AnttiL]

I don't suppose the persistent intercom problems helped Suuninen, either.

This. And yesterday first on the road, on Friday with engine problems. Although he would have probably been the slowest WRC even without these problems, but not by that big of a margin.

[AnttiL]

Østberg had a slow puncture and now Tänak is only 35.8 seconds behind him. On the first run Ott was 38 seconds faster, but Mads had an intercom issue.

[EstWRC]

What the fuck is neuville doing driving the fastest time? Why is he not saving his tyres for the powerstage?

Don’t worry. He isn’t on the limit ;)

[N.O.T]

What the fuck is neuville doing driving the fastest time? Why is he not saving his tyres for the powerstage?

its just 60kms you can go on the limit and still have plenty left even on softs

[Fast Eddie WRC]

This. And yesterday first on the road, on Friday with engine problems. Although he would have probably been the slowest WRC even without these problems, but not by that big of a margin.

Suninen has actually been faster on some stages than Evans, Latvala and Lappi.

[Frostmourne]

Any links for the power stage?

[Rally Power]

Come on Meeke, it is payback time. Show that frog!

Yep, fair play levels are definitely rising…btw, was the frog also responsable for this? https://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/news/september/meeke-cutting-corner/page/1762--12-12-.html

Before insulting people, you should understand what’s going on: by starting to implement stupid penalties, over zealous rally officials have opened a Pandora’s box and now everyone is entitled to ask for penalties use. Regrettably.

[er88]

Hope that Yaris holds up for Meeke for just one more stage. If Ogier scrambles another podium just hand the man another title now...

[EstWRC]

Hope that Yaris holds up for Meeke for just one more stage. If Ogier scrambles another podium just hand the man another title now...

not yet, but he will get it anyway.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

I prefer this stage run downhill.

[KKS]

Btw, why has Teemu driven on Bertellis pace this rally?
intercom problems. Like Ostberg aswell

[EstWRC]

Cmon Ott give it all now!

[TypeR]

good idea to show some pointless WRC2 cars, rather than WRC drivers

[KKS]

good idea to show some pointless WRC2 cars, rather than WRC drivers
with huge battles within 10min gaps )))

[EstWRC]

no points for Tänak from power stage


shitty weekend, totally shitty

[Essaj]

Ott actually managed to pass Mads :D

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Wonder if Ostberg couldve gone faster and held the place to help Ogier ?

[EstWRC]

Hyundai has been clever, SOrdo didnt push on the first two ones and pushes now to take points away from Ott

very clever

[TypeR]

Hyundai has been clever, SOrdo didnt push on the first two ones and pushes now to take points away from Ott

very clever

and also Mäkinen + Latvala very clever, taking points away. however, finishing 5th or 6th, there is no difference in manu points, coz Sordo doesn't count anyway

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Hyundai are learning what it takes...