[WRC] Rally Italia Sardegna 13th-16th June 2019

[Morte66]

It seems to me... With the current gaps, nobody has much reason to push tomorrow except Evans/Mikkelsen. And if it's true Mikkelsen will swap with Neuville, not them either.

So there should be a lot of reasonably fresh tyres at the power stage. But with the way this rally has been cleaning, I imagine that will depend mostly on road order.

[TypeR]

Julian explaining technical stuff

[EstWRC]

who is that von thurn guy who was fastest wrc2 today?

https://www.ewrc-results.com/leg/54467-rally-italia-sardegna-2019/?leg=2


E: never mind, his SS15 time is wrong with ten minutes or so

[Mirek]

Albert XII. Prinz von Thurn und Taxis: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert,_12th_Prince_of_Thurn_and_Taxis

In 19th century his ancestors owned my birthtown...

[janvanvurpa]

Yeah. Heard him also.


Men va betyder kiiiiirrraaaa? normal Finnish swearing?

[olemann]

They said Neuville needed a Wingman, and now I understand. When I see how Hunday behaves towards their drivers, I think none of the best drivers want to contract with them next year.

[Sulland]

Royal Taxi is smashing everyone in SS15!

[TypeR]

Royal Taxi is smashing everyone in SS15!

it must be fake taxi..

[Mirek]

Royal Taxi is smashing everyone in SS15!

He set an average speed of 214 km/h. Call Jonkka to fix his database! :D

[stefanvv]

He set an average speed of 214 km/h. Call Jonkka to fix his database! :D

Long gearbox?

[olemann]

Don't call a SQL (database) man. It's the input that is wrong ;-)

[EstWRC]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLG8tPwWwVE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-RE8kYUMqc

[Katvala]

Men va betyder kiiiiirrraaaa? normal Finnish swearing?Means tightens

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[KKS]

Loubet continues slowly even in this stage.
Puncture I guess cuz timeloss start in 4th split

[EstWRC]

Morning guys

Its Neuvilles birthday today.

[TypeR]

how come allLive reporters don't know the rules?
They were talking about Ogier and that maybe he is doing the same as he did in Sweden and comes to PS after Tänak..

except.. any penalty after re-group before PS means no points even if you win PS

[EstWRC]

Ogier going in road mode....

[AnttiL]

Ogier going in road mode....
Just to clarify, probably on purpose to save tyres :)

[KKS]

how come allLive reporters don't know the rules?
They were talking about Ogier and that maybe he is doing the same as he did in Sweden and comes to PS after Tänak..

except.. any penalty after re-group before PS means no points even if you win PS
It plenty of tactics can be play before regroup and 35min regroup allow play a lot. Let's see if Citroen know about that ;)

[rallyfiend]

how come allLive reporters don't know the rules?
They were talking about Ogier and that maybe he is doing the same as he did in Sweden and comes to PS after Tänak..

except.. any penalty after re-group before PS means no points even if you win PS

He doesn't have to wait until the regroup just before the PS to drop down to come after Tanak in the PS.

You only lose eligibiliy for PS points if you don't take your allocated start time. That is only given at the previous TC.

If you've already dropped 20 places before then, you are still taking your alloctaed start time....

[EstWRC]

all drivers with 5 medium drivers

[AnttiL]

Everybody with five mediums.

[KKS]

He doesn't have to wait until the regroup just before the PS to drop down to come after Tanak in the PS.

You only lose eligibiliy for PS points if you don't take your allocated start time. That is only given at the previous TC.

If you've already dropped 20 places before then, you are still taking your alloctaed start time....
no. If yours time 11:00 , next time - 12:00 and you late on 1st TC by 30min. Next your TC time = 11:30+1:00=12:30

[EstWRC]

Meeke cruising tooo...

[KKS]

They need a tyre fitting zone before PS to prevent this joke!

[EstWRC]

weirdly Neuvilles speed was 0km/h after start for a while but can be a glitch

[erikli2]

From Ogiers stage end interview he said that he'll sweep the road on the PS, but that just might be one of his mind games.

[TypeR]

They need a tyre fitting zone before PS to prevent this joke!

would be ,,too expensive'' and all the costs will go up.. while even small piece of aero costs more than a set of tires :D

[EstWRC]

he cant play any games, if you dont start PS in regroup order you dont get points, simple as that

[AnttiL]

If Meeke was my coworker, I would say tell him he's having a burnout with all these stage end interviews

[EstWRC]

Mikkelsen going for it!

[KKS]

he cant play any games, if you dont start PS in regroup order you dont get points, simple as that
Answer in your statement. Simply be late on regroup-in ;) And you physically can't be 1st

[EstWRC]

Answer in your statement. Simply be late on regroup-in ;) And you physically can't be 1st

wont work like that.

EVans faster than Mikkelsen

[Mirek]

How about to replace power stage by giving the points for the whole last day instead? It's short anyway and it would prevent this farce with boring cruising.

[AnttiL]

How about to replace power stage by giving the points for the whole last day instead? It's short anyway and it would prevent this farce with boring cruising.

Doesn't make as interesting TV broadcast and is even more difficult to explain to the average Joe

[KKS]

Ogier - read this forum :D

[TypeR]

Ogier playing clown again..

[Mirek]

Doesn't make as interesting TV broadcast and is even more difficult to explain to the average Joe

What is interesting on watching WRC cars cruising on road speed?

[AnttiL]

In Portugal we saw a lot of technical issues like brakes and dampers failing...has there been any of that this weekend? I've been busy and not able to follow All Live

[AnttiL]

What is interesting on watching WRC cars cruising on road speed?

It's not the power stage yet. This is not televised. Only rally geeks pay to watch WRC cars cruising on road speed ;)

[KKS]

wont work like that.

EVans faster than Mikkelsen
Why not?

Regroup out - 12:11, mimimum time on regroup - 3min, so 12:08 it's 'equal'
Regroup in - 11:36, 32min of latenes won't be affect any change, but all next extra 3 min - was.

As you can't be late more than30min on one TC you need 30+30 =60min and this is 28min extra lateness. 28/3 =9 positions
TC18 11:12+30=11:42
TC18A 12:06+30=12:36
First car on TC18B = 12:11 :)

[EstWRC]

calm down Ott, where so fast i dont get it

[EstWRC]

Why not?

Regroup out - 12:11, mimimum time on regroup - 3min, so 12:08 it's 'equal'
Regroup in - 11:36, 32min of latenes won't be affect any change, but all next extra 3 min - was.

As you can't be late more than30min on one TC you need 30+30 =60min and this is 28min extra lateness. 28/3 =9 positions
TC18 11:12+30=11:42
TC18A 12:06+30=12:36
First car on TC18B = 12:11 :)

so the rule they made last year doesnt mean anything?

great

[AnttiL]

calm down Ott, where so fast i dont get it

It's also difficult to drive slow but not in cruise mode.

[Mirek]

It's not the power stage yet. This is not televised. Only rally geeks pay to watch WRC cars cruising on road speed ;)

Isn't that sad?

Not only those paying for wrc+ but also all the people traveling to the stages themselves. I don't see how making it a liiiitle bit more interesting for random TV spectator justifies making it a farce for the real fanbase who actually spend their money to follow the event.

[KKS]

so the rule they made last year doesnt mean anything?

great
it make a bit difficult make a tactic, but still possible. But if regroup time will be more - nearly impossible do tactics. It depends on starting intervals and regroup time.

[KKS]

How about to replace power stage by giving the points for the whole last day instead? It's short anyway and it would prevent this farce with boring cruising.
With strict rally order it will be perfect

[KKS]

What a rally could be for Mads!
https://www.ewrc-results.com/leg/54467-rally-italia-sardegna-2019/?leg=2&ct=1018

[AnttiL]

What a rally could be for Mads!
https://www.ewrc-results.com/leg/54467-rally-italia-sardegna-2019/?leg=2&ct=1018

With R5's it's not always the purely fastest guy who wins, the cars are relatively more fragile on roads like this.

[Indreq]

So now Mikkelsen has no chance to catch Evans, only question is - will he let Neuville pass on this stage or on next?

Edit: he probably will check in late into TC few minutes in the beginning of next stage.

[Mirek]

Another blackout...

[KKS]

top service!:mad:

[rhm]

This is turning into a bit of a farce today with timings and penalties - good luck to any new fans out there

[Mirek]

Juho :D

[EstWRC]

the end is so rutted already

[COD]

Ogier is a great rallydriver but the worst sportsman I have ever enco7ntered and thus will never get my respect

[EstWRC]

Ogier just 2 secs faster than Latvala being first on the road

[Mirek]

Katsuta reportedly retired after previous stage.

[KKS]

In juniors Jan Solans attacking Radstrom all day, and looks only now will get in to the lead on SS16

edit: not in this stage. +1.0 overall

[EstWRC]

Mikkelsen not giving up it seems, fastest in split

[KKS]

Evans got time back for SS15
https://www.rallyitaliasardegna.com/?ddownload=3879&lang=en

[Ds3]

Ogier is a great rallydriver but the worst sportsman I have ever enco7ntered and thus will never get my respect

Ogier it will forever be a Ogier, and who are you ? .....

[mousti]

Evans got time back for SS15
https://www.rallyitaliasardegna.com/?ddownload=3879&lang=en

Then is the battle between Mikkelsen and Evans over..

[EstWRC]

thats a lot better Ott

[Essaj]

Mads is really trying to prove a point :eek:

[EstWRC]

after a good debut Greensmith has been totally last here


E: of course Molly asks what happened like nobody saw it, useless

[Mirek]

Greensmith with completely broken rim spokes. They broke in the middle of the road when hitting a rock sideways.

[KKS]

lol Greensmith broke a rim on a loose rock O_o

[dimviii]

Takamoto Katsuta
���� 勝田 貴元
‏

Got fire from engine room after morning stage.
I have no word.
I can’t believe this.

[KKS]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D9KuzOyX4AE45Ab.jpg

[KKS]

Another killing time from Mads

[SubaruNorway]

after a good debut Greensmith has been totally last here


E: of course Molly asks what happened like nobody saw it, useless

They don't have a TV screen to watch what's happing at stage end

[EstWRC]

They don't have a TV screen to watch what's happing at stage end

fair enough but she asks this all the time

[KKS]

They don't have a TV screen to watch what's happing at stage end
They have. It's PowerStage stage

[surdna]

fair enough but she asks this all the time

some stages are tv stages, broadcasted to a wider audience thats why prob some questions are repeated

[KKS]

Latvala in this game too.
So slow (

[SubaruNorway]

They have. It's PowerStage stage

That's not at the stage end but further up the road, she's aware that it seems silly some times but that's just how it is when they can't see exactly what's happening all the time. Everyone should have a go at doing a stage end, it's really stressful and your heart is pumping. I've done it once :)

I don't think it's strange asking what happened, driver could know something we didn't see.

[Tarmop]

They all get the info, most of the time. That`s not the first time, they are asking ridiculous questions aka "now that you have just lost your good position due to a breakage/mistake, how do you feel?"

[KKS]

With this powerstage tyre games - Juho can win a stage, or Mads :D

[EstWRC]

quite a huge rocks on the line right at the end

[Mirek]

Juho said he was about to go straight to the service and not taking the power stage...

[KKS]

What? Stage rough thats why I going to service? Oh c'mon Juho...

[Tauri_J]

he has nothing to gain

[Mirek]

What? Stage rough thats why I going to service? Oh c'mon Juho...

I think that it's not his decision.

[TypeR]

I bet it's something to do with using extra parts or smth..

[Tauri_J]

I bet it's something to do with using extra parts or smth..

what? its a one off for Juho

[EstWRC]

Ogiers tyres looking very well

[Tarmop]

Umh, one-off, shouldn`t be a concern...using as many as one want, and get fines what are given.

[the sniper]

I feel sorry for the people who chose to spectate on this stage...

[Mirek]

what? its a one off for Juho

It's testing of various stuff in the real event. Nothing to do with his own ambitions. I thought You already realized that especially when said so several times.

At least in theory they could have even used something not homologated on the car. If they retire nobody will ever know.

[KKS]

I think that it's not his decision.
Weird decision by Tommi. I know it's a testing rally, but it's a rally!

Juho stopping before junction. Right to the stage, left to service. He's standing there 5min at least.

[EstWRC]

Mikkelsen still not giving up, what a guys

[Tauri_J]

It's testing of various stuff in the real event. Nothing to do with his own ambitions. I thought You already realized that especially when said so several times.

of course I know that

[EstWRC]

Evans 2 secs slower!

[Mirek]

Weird decision by Tommi. I know it's a testing rally, but it's a rally!

For sure there is a reason for that ;)

[Tauri_J]

ffs WRC+

[KKS]

whatttttttt???? this wrc+ ridiculous!!

[Essaj]

WRC all live this weekend... :rolleyes:

[EstWRC]

Evans still 2.3 in split 2

[KKS]

I feel sorry for the people who chose to spectate on this stage...
Not big difference for WRC+ spectators too

[Mirek]

Suninen nearly crashed.

[EstWRC]

Teemu with a little mistake

[Essaj]

Hänninen heading towards the stage

Edit: and past it :/

[AnttiL]

Teemu with a little mistake

Similar to what Ott did in 2017? Same junction even?

[EstWRC]

Similar to what Ott did in 2017? Same junction even?

yep

[KKS]

Hänninen heading towards the stage
To regroup at least

[KKS]

To regroup at least
Nope. Drive straight in ((( pity

[surdna]

Similar to what Ott did in 2017? Same junction even?

what does this mean :eek:

[Mirek]

lol, the one shot with Adamo and Sordo in service :D

[eib1]

lol, the one shot with Adamo and Sordo in service :D


https://i.imgur.com/b53L2VH.jpg

[doubled1978]

Presumably Hyundai will swap Mikkelsen and Neuville over so Neuville takes a few points...

[COD]

I bet it's something to do with using extra parts or smth..

They have tested non homologated parts and don’t want to risk the car at technical inspection?

[KKS]

What will be with powerstage points when someone in TOP5 get a penalty? Pos6 get 1 powerstage point?

[Tauri_J]

wow Molly, really stupid

[KKS]

Fans from Czechoslovakia must be really be old. Oh Poor Molly ((

[Mirek]

Can somebody tell to the commentator that Czechoslovakia ceased to exist 26 years a go?

EDIT: I'm slow :) Anyway we are used to that...

[EstWRC]

Molly saing there are fans from Czechoslovakia!

[Mirek]

It's good to have Ostberg in the R5 to give Kalle and the rest of the gang the comparison with a real WRC driver. Ostberg was clearly faster here but for Kalle it was his first start on Sardinia.

[krissucool]

The stage looks so rough.

[EstWRC]

Ogier 3 secs quicker than Mikkelsens time in the morning

[Rallyper]

That face on Ogier driving...

[EstWRC]

surprised that Latvala is slower...

[Mirek]

Meeke very slow.

[EstWRC]

it seems Ogier is getting some points after all

[krissucool]

Meeke and Latvala have been utterly useless to Tänak this year. Tbf, the same can be said for Lappi to Ogier.

[Tauri_J]

The stage looks so rough.

I was there last year. Horrible ruts. Its not a proper road at all.

[EstWRC]

lets see what Neuville can do now

[TypeR]

Neuvilles gps messing around? 0kmh many times

[EstWRC]

nahhhh, Neuville with a mistake there

[Mirek]

Neuville did the same mistake as Kopecký.

[EstWRC]

ogier will win this, lol

[Mirek]

Mikkelsen on fire!

[EstWRC]

Yesssss Mikkelsennn

[Mirek]

Showing that the whole tyre saving farce was pretty much useless.

[Essaj]

+5.8! This is going to be close

[krissucool]

What is Evans doing?

[Essaj]

Mikkelsen did it! LOL

[EstWRC]

Evans gave it all away!!!!

[krissucool]

Thanks Mikkelsen! Wtf was that.

Mikkelsen took power stage points away from Neuville and now cant drop behind him as well. Incredible

[cosmin_sb]

Mikkelsen overtake Evans in the last stage

[Alex009]

Hah Mikkelsen so stupid... Evans helping Ogier here.

[EstWRC]

the ending is so rouhg, look at the losses there from others

[eib1]

:D

https://i.imgur.com/1eyn47q.jpg

[Mirek]

Sordo also with a mistake

[EstWRC]

Tänak blew it!!!

[Essaj]

What? No fking hell

[KKS]

pizdec

[EstWRC]

fucking helll man, fucking hell cant believe it

[EstWRC]

nice borthday present for Neuville

[Mirek]

We can congratulate to Sordo for his victory which nobody expected.

[KKS]

PowerSteering borken cuz of spin or spin cuz of failure?

[krissucool]

Tänak has managed to throw like 6-7 races from the lead either with his own mistake or mainly from Toyota struggles in the past 2 seasons.

[cosmin_sb]

Ogier can laugh now, not very much lost in this weekend for him

[EstWRC]

power steering failure

[EstWRC]

Tänak has managed to throw like 6-7 races from the lead either with his own mistake or mainly from Toyota struggles in the past 2 seasons.

own mistakes? WHERE?

[Rallyper]

We can congratulate to Sordo for his victory which nobody expected.

well, spin cuz of failure. Nothing else. The car let him down or the stage itself.

[cosmin_sb]

in this situation it is a good rally for Hyundai in the manufactured championship

[Rallyper]

Ogier the only lucky man here.

[Mirek]

well, spin cuz of failure. Nothing else. The car let him down or the stage itself.

I think You quoted a wrong post because Your reaction to my post makes no sense. In that post I didn't speak about Tänak at all.


We can congratulate to Sordo for his victory which nobody expected.

[dimviii]

Rally ItaliaSardegna
‏ @Rally_d_Italia

The @PresidenteACI Angelo Sticchi Damiani, announces the agreement with @OfficialWRC WRC to host the World Rally Championship in Sardinia also for the next three seasons 2020, 2021 and 2022.
@Rally_d_Italia
#jumpinginthedust

[Morte66]

nevermind

[krissucool]

own mistakes? WHERE?

This, right here in Sardinia.

Edit:at least it seemed so. Maybe the powersteering went before the crash, then take my words back.

[doubled1978]

I bet Malcolm Wilson has already sent Tanak a text about next season!

[dimviii]

InfoRallyes
‏ @inforallyes

Mundial de Pilotos tras el #RallyItaliaSardegna

Tanak 150 puntos
Ogier 146
Neuville 143
Evans 78
Suninen 62
Meeke 60
Mikkelsen 56
Sordo 52

[EstWRC]

This, right here in Sardinia.

Edit:at least it seemed so. Maybe the powersteering went before the crash, then take my words back.

will have to wait for his comment, for me it seemed it went before, the car just didnt turn

[Allez Andruet]

I bet Malcolm Wilson has already sent Tanak a text about next season!

I think Malcolm's going all-in on Tänak now. Not just sms, but with faxes and everything.

[dimviii]

I bet Malcolm Wilson has already sent Tanak a text about next season!


M-Sport
‏Verified account @MSportLtd

A message to @OttTanak and @MartinJarveoja - keep your heads held high! Your pace was simply sensational this weekend #WRC #MSPORTERS #SportCanBeCruel

[krissucool]

Its alright in the end. Tänak is in the lead of the championships and was already last year, the fastest driver on all remaining rallies except Turkey.

[wrc2017]

will have to wait for his comment, for me it seemed it went before, the car just didnt turn he could have hit it earlier in stage

[torsteinrp]

Thierry can't get the car starting after the finish!!

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[dimviii]

http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_06_2019/post-16799-0-71612300-1560684558.jpeg

[EstWRC]

Its alright in the end. Tänak is in the lead of the championships and was already last year, the fastest driver on all remaining rallies except Turkey.

yep we have to take positives, he is leading the championship, last year at the same time we were trailing almost by 70 points.

some guys from estonian forum said they watched the replay and already before the spin Ott said: "its gone"

[wrc2017]

Thiery can't get the car starting after the finish!!

Sent fra min SM-G960F via Tapatalk
Yes he is still there....

[jparker]

So now Mikkelsen has no chance to catch Evans......
Not quite

[Alex009]

Ott is not going to win any championships ever with that fragile toyota.

[dimviii]

yep we have to take positives, he is leading the championship, last year at the same time we were trailing almost by 70 points.


exactly!

[Mirek]

Thierry can't get the car starting after the finish!!

Any news?

[AL14]

What a pity for Tanak. I'm really gutted for him.
He is leading but to win the championship you can't throw points like that.
Anyways, he showed incredible speed this weekend and his rivals are making mistakes as well. He has big chances this year.
Happy for Sordo, he deserves it!

[Sulland]

Thanks Mikkelsen! Wtf was that.

Mikkelsen took power stage points away from Neuville and now cant drop behind him as well. Incredible

Mikkelsen drives for himself, in addition for the team.
I do not like team orders in Motorsport. But I can understand it makes sense in the latter parts of the season, but we are not there yet.
Neuvilles expression on the TV pictures with a Mikkelsen on a high after the PS was priceless!

[dimviii]

Hyundai Motorsport
‏ @HMSGOfficial


#WRC To our friends at @TGR_WRC, @OttTanak & Martin, you totally deserved the victory after a truly impressive performance this weekend. Sorry, we weren't able to share the podium with you today... #HMSGOfficial #RallyItaliaSardegna

[eib1]

Neuville moving

[EstWRC]

this hurts as hard as last years wales :(

would have been so happy to go the summer break and now it takes all the summer break to get over this


rallying is so harsh sometimes

[erikli2]

Neuville got help from marchalls, pushing the car from the power stage parking. Is that really allowed?

[EstWRC]

Neuville got help from marchalls, pushing the car from the power stage parking. Is that really allowed?

video of it https://www.facebook.com/paulfraikinchampions/videos/887130208308934/?v=887130208308934

[eib1]

https://twitter.com/i/status/1140224700502745090

[EstWRC]

is it allowed?

[cosmin_sb]

manufacturers championships standing:
Hyundai 242p
Toyota 198p
Citroen 170p
M-Sport 152p

[flykas]

Surprisingly top3 fight stays very intense. Unlucky Tanak, lucky Ogier.

Great to see Sordo getting second victory of his career.

Impressive drive by Andreas, he recovered from the downtime of previous rallies.

Also nice job by Suninen, I guess the Co-Driver gave him inspiration.

[Rally Hokkaido]

Neuville got help from marchalls, pushing the car from the power stage parking. Is that really allowed? If it had been blocking or partly blocking the road for other competitors then no problem, but from the parking area I am not sure. During the Power Stage is the rally suspended for the top teams while they wait for the whole group to complete their runs and spray the champagne?

[Tarmop]

Hmm, if it was blocking or partly blocking the road for other competitors then no problem.

It was parked. No threat to others, not blocking others.

[Mise]

this hurts as hard as last years wales :(

would have been so happy to go the summer break and now it takes all the summer break to get over this


rallying is so harsh sometimes

On the other hand if it had to happend, this was the place,
since Ogier and Neuville weren't 2nd and 3rd.

Would've hurt more in that case

[KKS]

Neuville moving
Suninen and Meeke do bump start yesterday, now it's Huyndai try with Neuville

[Eli]

On the other hand if it had to happend, this was the place,
since Ogier and Neuville weren't 2nd and 3rd.

Would've hurt more in that case

It's all a matter of timing, better for it to happen now, than in Turkey or Spain.

[dimviii]

If it had been blocking or partly blocking the road for other competitors then no problem, but from the parking area I am not sure. During the Power Stage is the rally suspended for the top teams while they wait for the whole group to complete their runs and spray the champagne?

i am sure i ve seen plenty times cars to be pushed at parc ferme

[KKS]

If it had been blocking or partly blocking the road for other competitors then no problem, but from the parking area I am not sure. During the Power Stage is the rally suspended for the top teams while they wait for the whole group to complete their runs and spray the champagne?
It's very fair and interesting point. Very interesting what CoC think about this

[KKS]

i am sure i ve seen plenty times cars to be pushed at parc ferme
By marshals?

[fredfush]

By marshals?


WRC Regs Art 42.3 PUSHING A CAR IN THE PARC FERMÉ
Only the officials on duty and/or the members of the crew are authorised to push a competing car inside a parc fermé.

[Rallyper]

I think You quoted a wrong post because Your reaction to my post makes no sense. In that post I didn't speak about Tänak at all.

aahh. Sorry. My bad. :)

[KKS]

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From the onboard it looked like the steering went heavy before the corner and Ott just didn't know what to do until he started using force to turn it. What a sad day yet again for Estonian rallying, but we'll get over it as there are more rallies ahead. #WRC (https://twitter.com/hashtag/WRC?src=hash) #WRCLive (https://twitter.com/hashtag/WRCLive?src=hash)

Exactly. Spotted the same. One corner before it's not heavy but such nasty landing by right side on a rock, that maybe caused a problem

[PLuto]

Neuville got help from marchalls, pushing the car from the power stage parking. Is that really allowed?

Yes, it is allowed.

[EstWRC]

The Toyota World Rally Championship team has explained that a steering problem cost Ott Tanak Rally Italy victory.

Tanak led Sardinian event by nearly half a minute going onto the final stage and looked set to collect a fourth win of the season and third in a row.

Instead, he suffered a heartbreaking final-stage failure that left him fifth at the finish.

Tanak's Yaris WRC was not the first to suffer steering problems in Italy, with team-mate Jari-Matti Latvala forced off the road on Friday when his steering locked solid.

Toyota chief engineer Tom Fowler suspects the two incidents are related.

"It Looks like Jari-Matti [pictured below] and Ott have had the same issue," Fowler told Autosport.

"It's not something we have seen before.

"All we know is that the components that came to this rally were all from the same group and all sealed here together.

"So we've had something happen in that batch that doesn't seem to be correct."



Fowler and his team will investigate the steering problem as soon as the car arrives back in Estonia.

"We've got [to look at] the complete system, so it's hard to know what it could be," he said.

"We will go away and investigate, but today it's difficult to say what it is. We need to check everything, but the feedback from the driver is the same."

Fowler added that he did not think it was heat related - despite some of the hottest conditions in recent years being experienced in Italy.

"We've run in conditions as hot and demanding as this before," he said.

"From the timing, it looks like a batch-related thing. The parts are brought in as an assembly and put into the car."

Tanak's problem handed a second WRC win to Hyundai's Dani Sordo.

But with title rivals Thierry Neuville and Sebastien Ogier enduring tough weekends, Tanak's fifth place was still enough to move him into the WRC points lead.



https://www.autosport.com/wrc/news/144160/toyota-thinks-steering-issue-repeat-cost-tanak-win

[Morte66]

So...

Tanak: Superb, then despair. But did gain on his rivals. I would love to know whether this was a technical problem or driver error. [Edit: hah! See post above.]

Ogier: Terrible. Hit a great big rock in plain sight that he'd been past several times. Somebody suggested that the C3 is pushing him over the edge like Meeke last year, and that does seem plausible.

Neuville: Poor. Talked about car problems. Ended Friday with bad road position, and apparently you don't come back in Sardinia from that unless everything is wonderful.

All the top three in the championship were lucky that the rest of the top three did badly.

Sordo: on Friday morning, the commentator said "this is not exactly a Dani Sordo rally". Which is absolutely true. But road position and Tanak's off gifted him a win, and he didn't screw up. Well, good for him. I like the guy, he deserves a win.

Mikkelsen: also had good road position. Threw it away a little on Friday morning with the wrong tires, but not enough to sink him. Drove well from there, deserves his good result, congratulations.

It is often said that you can take a good driver and make them reliable, but you can't take a reliable driver and make them fast. Hyundai have found the way: hire extras, leave them out of half the rallies, and good road position will make them faster.

Suuninen: good. Road position handed him a podium shot, and he took it with both hands. Drove well, looks like man who will keep his job, might even be a future star.

Evans: ok/good. Still a decent result even though Mikkelsen passed him.

Latvala: Terrible. Clipped a hairpin and rolled. I really like JML, he's so gloriously nerdy and he gives the best interviews. Also his old fashioned driving style is more fun to watch. If Meeke weren't in it, I'd be a Latvala fan. Poor guy, such a bad year. At least he is at Toyota, Citroen might have fired him today.

Meeke: OK/poor. Did worse than his starting road position. Not knowing the rally hurt him on day one. Perhaps unfortunately he was close to Evans/Mikkelsen on day two -- did he push too hard, did that cause his spin/puncture, everybody at Toyota will be wondering this. Some consolation in that (a) he didn't crash and (b) he beat Latvala.

At the moment, Mr Makkinen can ask himself if it would be so bad to swap one of these two for Rovanpera next year.

Lappi: whatever. Showed some "it might be worth keeping this guy" speed at times, and didn't crash. Seems like the car and/or team orders were slowing him sometimes.

[EstWRC]

Exactly. Spotted the same. One corner before it's not heavy but such nasty landing by right side on a rock, that maybe caused a problem

https://sport.postimees.ee/6708824/sudantlohestavad-hetked-tanaku-autos-akki-hudraulika-teeme-restardi?utm_source=sport_fb&utm_medium=wallpost&utm_content=6708824&utm_campaign=fb_post&fbclid=IwAR1tiicwJo6hkEOm9nX7dcczFsfzpeHJgiS2Z93zJ vuB1cB87W5I8D4LTY8


i dont know if you can see this outside estonia, the steering is turned to right by Ott but the car goes left. Exactly like Latvala on friday and what Fowler confirms.

Then Tänak and Järveoja are having a conversation, mostly Ott who says: "its gone, the steering is gone, its f'cked up, hydraulics, it isnt turning at all"
Martin says "maybe we should do a restart?"

[Eli]

Rally ItaliaSardegna
‏ @Rally_d_Italia

The @PresidenteACI Angelo Sticchi Damiani, announces the agreement with @OfficialWRC WRC to host the World Rally Championship in Sardinia also for the next three seasons 2020, 2021 and 2022.
@Rally_d_Italia
#jumpinginthedust

So no Rally Corsica & Rally Germany.

[PLuto]

So no Rally Corsica & Rally Germany.

And no Rally Roma...

[Päss1928]

Malcolm's words from 2017 about Tänak being back in 2 years' time are looking more and more likely now. Didn't believe them at the time at all.

[wrc2017]

Malcolm's words from 2017 about Tänak being back in 2 years' time are looking more and more likely now. Didn't believe them at the time at all.
There is more to this than meets the eye.

[Katvala]

Will be very interesting to see how driver lineups become for next season, across all teams

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[wrc2017]

So...

Tanak: Superb, then despair. But did gain on his rivals. I would love to know whether this was a technical problem or driver error. [Edit: hah! See post above.]

Ogier: Terrible. Hit a great big rock in plain sight that he'd been past several times. Somebody suggested that the C3 is pushing him over the edge like Meeke last year, and that does seem plausible.

Neuville: Poor. Talked about car problems. Ended Friday with bad road position, and apparently you don't come back in Sardinia from that unless everything is wonderful.

All the top three in the championship were lucky that the rest of the top three did badly.

Sordo: on Friday morning, the commentator said "this is not exactly a Dani Sordo rally". Which is absolutely true. But road position and Tanak's off gifted him a win, and he didn't screw up. Well, good for him. I like the guy, he deserves a win.

Mikkelsen: also had good road position. Threw it away a little on Friday morning with the wrong tires, but not enough to sink him. Drove well from there, deserves his good result, congratulations.

It is often said that you can take a good driver and make them reliable, but you can't take a reliable driver and make them fast. Hyundai have found the way: hire extras, leave them out of half the rallies, and good road position will make them faster.

Suuninen: good. Road position handed him a podium shot, and he took it with both hands. Drove well, looks like man who will keep his job, might even be a future star.

Evans: ok/good. Still a decent result even though Mikkelsen passed him.

Latvala: Terrible. Clipped a hairpin and rolled. I really like JML, he's so gloriously nerdy and he gives the best interviews. Also his old fashioned driving style is more fun to watch. If Meeke weren't in it, I'd be a Latvala fan. Poor guy, such a bad year. At least he is at Toyota, Citroen might have fired him today.

Meeke: OK/poor. Did worse than his starting road position. Not knowing the rally hurt him on day one. Perhaps unfortunately he was close to Evans/Mikkelsen on day two -- did he push too hard, did that cause his spin/puncture, everybody at Toyota will be wondering this. Some consolation in that (a) he didn't crash and (b) he beat Latvala.

At the moment, Mr Makkinen can ask himself if it would be so bad to swap one of these two for Rovanpera next year.

Lappi: whatever. Showed some "it might be worth keeping this guy" speed at times, and didn't crash. Seems like the car and/or team orders were slowing him sometimes.
Look at Meeke onboard S15. He done nothing wrong.

[Japé]

It seems that component supplier after another are letting TMR/TGR down, nothing new in there. But when issues are this type e.g. steering jammed, it would be best not to repeat it in Rally Finland stages..

[doubled1978]

I agree Meeke looked unfortunate on that one, didn’t seem to do anything that should cause it. I read somewhere rim failure again, but that might be speculation.
Much needed result for Mikkelsen, solid job for the team.
Happy for Sordo, Sunninen...
Bad one for Neuville, tried to push a bit on 2nd loop Friday and made mistakes which ruined his weekend.
Ogier...I’ve said it before, it’s been coming, he’s been bouncing off a few things and getting away with it, but not this time.

[EstWRC]

It seems that component supplier after another are letting TMR/TGR down, nothing new in there. But when issues are this type e.g. steering jammed, it would be best not to repeat it in Rally Finland stages..

yep, like with the generator which was from Mclaren

[Morte66]

Look at Meeke onboard S15. He done nothing wrong.

I agree (and I hope Toyota agree).

It's just... he's a guy that pushes a lot, and he's a guy that gets quite a few punctures. Everybody is going to wonder whether it's related, whether he "weakens the tyres" by the pushing and they get punctures with no error at that instant.

A couple of podiums and all this would be forgotten...

[EstWRC]

Tänak interview in english after rally https://sport.postimees.ee/6708872/ott-tanak-olen-vaga-pettunud-et-sellised-asjad-meiega-endiselt-juhtuvad

[steve.mandzij]

Well, holy shit.

If someone had told me that on Sunday SORDO would ever win another rally I'd have called them insane.

And if they'd told me the podium would be Sordo Suninen Mikkelsen? I'd probably have bet something ridiculous like eating my shoes if that were to happen.

Such a shame for Tanak, but the top 3 (especially Suninen and Sordo) were master class this time around. Spectacular drives from those three.

And nice curveball for the pickems :D

[Morte66]

And if they'd told me the podium would be Sordo Suninen Mikkelsen? I'd probably have bet something ridiculous like eating my shoes if that were to happen.

Nobody here will mind if you eat your shoes and upload it to youtube. ;)

[EstWRC]

at least a little part of the victory came to estonia because Sordos girlfriend is from here :D

[Ucci]

Ott is not going to win any championships ever with that fragile toyota.
Of course he will win....but not after Germany, we will have to wait until GB or Spain....the guy is simply destroying others, just look the times on Saturday....like cat playing with the mouse.

[dimviii]

Τanak trouble at power stage
https://youtu.be/0e4WZLp-dcA

[dimviii]

"What crazy final, we could never have imagined this scenario! Another crazy race Ott Tanak deserved to win this rally, he was superior to everyone throughout the weekend, said Thierry Neuville At the microphone of Olivier Gaspard, the special correspondent of RTBF in Sardinia, he was much more efficient than the others, no one could really do the same time as him, but unfortunately for him, he could not This is to our advantage, since it's Dani (Dani Sordo, his team-mate at Hyundai, ed) who wins this rally, Andreas Mikkelsen finishes third, I finish for my sixth place, we score very important points at the manufacturers and drivers championships, which makes the championship even more interesting! "

"At the championship level, it seemed bad start, but with the turnaround that occurred in the last stage, it helps us a little bit, took the quadruple vice-world champion.But there are still nice rallies to come, where we will be more competitive than this weekend We can not wait to make a break: I will go to Ypres, do some tests, then normally become a dad, and then we can focus on the future!
https://www.rtbf.be/sport/moteurs/rallye/wrc/detail_neuville-ott-meritait-de-gagner-mais-quel-final-de-fou?id=10247385&fbclid=IwAR3LOnyJQQYRoCrkSqfZhYLgIqDfov3eYD9i3iC5C K1v9iwiSrjk6Z4ahxk

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D9MZDvpXYAUXkS_.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D9MZDubX4AYglqw.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D9MZDwZWkAIecE9.jpg

[KKS]

https://sport.postimees.ee/6708824/sudantlohestavad-hetked-tanaku-autos-akki-hudraulika-teeme-restardi?utm_source=sport_fb&utm_medium=wallpost&utm_content=6708824&utm_campaign=fb_post&fbclid=IwAR1tiicwJo6hkEOm9nX7dcczFsfzpeHJgiS2Z93zJ vuB1cB87W5I8D4LTY8


i dont know if you can see this outside estonia, the steering is turned to right by Ott but the car goes left. Exactly like Latvala on friday and what Fowler confirms.

Then Tänak and Järveoja are having a conversation, mostly Ott who says: "its gone, the steering is gone, its f'cked up, hydraulics, it isnt turning at all"
Martin says "maybe we should do a restart?"
No. It didn't play. But if that same as shown on wrc+ - I watched and yes, Ott turn 5deg to the right, but car still turning left. But it's not the case. 1 or 2 corners before Ott can easily turn wheel from left to right. Than say something to Martin, at that time car hit a bank on RR side and start to spin left (luckily its left corner too) but on that moment powersteering didn't work and he can't compensate that left spin by his muscle strengths to turn enough steering to the right.

[KKS]

Malcolm's words from 2017 about Tänak being back in 2 years' time are looking more and more likely now. Didn't believe them at the time at all.
in that case we can believe for one or maximim two wins from Ott.
I don't know what worst: a) Didn't have ability to win or b) fight for a win on every rally, but on some lost a win due technical problems

I think b) is better

[Alex009]

in that case we can believe for one or maximim two wins from Ott.
I don't know what worst: a) Didn't have ability to win or b) fight for a win on every rally, but on some lost a win due technical problems

I think b) is better

This season with Fiesta, Tänak would have been even more dominant than he is now. And still he would have finished the rallies, unlike with yaris.

[denkimi]

in that case we can believe for one or maximim two wins from Ott.
I don't know what worst: a) Didn't have ability to win or b) fight for a win on every rally, but on some lost a win due technical problems

I think b) is better
Indeed. It's never a good idea to leave the team with the biggest budget and the best car if you're their starr driver.

[tommeke_B]

Indeed. It's never a good idea to leave the team with the biggest budget and the best car if you're their starr driver.

I don't think that at this point anyone can objectively say which car is the best one... ;)

[wrc2017]

I don't think that at this point anyone can objectively say which car is the best one... ;)
We could tell you which one isnt

[KKS]

I don't think that at this point anyone can objectively say which car is the best one... ;)
speed-wise it definitely - Yaris

[KKS]

This season with Fiesta, Tänak would have been even more dominant than he is now. And still he would have finished the rallies, unlike with yaris.
With Fiesta? Dominant? It's funny :)

[denkimi]

I don't think that at this point anyone can objectively say which car is the best one... ;)
Which car would you say is better than the toyota?

[stefanvv]

Τanak trouble at power stage
https://youtu.be/0e4WZLp-dcA

that car really sounds strange after the damage.

[Päss1928]

Which car would you say is better than the toyota?

Define better. Faster - yes maybe. The thing with Tänak is that he doesn't need to win every rally by 30 seconds or more (which he does), so he can afford a slower but more reliable car because of the raw speed he has. I think too that he would be in a better position this year with the Ford.

[tommeke_B]

Which car would you say is better than the toyota?
Hard to say, I think all are pretty equal, that's why I don't think anyone can point out the better one of them. The difference has to be made by the crew sitting in it, which is great. Put the top 3 (Tänak, Ogier, Neuville) in any car, and they could win with it. But I think none of those 3 would mind sitting in a Fiesta WRC at the moment. ;)

[spiderem]

Hard to say, I think all are pretty equal, that's why I don't think anyone can point out the better one of them. The difference has to be made by the crew sitting in it, which is great. Put the top 3 (Tänak, Ogier, Neuville) in any car, and they could win with it. But I think none of those 3 would mind sitting in a Fiesta WRC at the moment. ;)

I think you hit the nail on the head with your last sentence. instead of looking at which car is the best, we can look at which car is not the worse... Toyota = poor reliability; Citroen = unpredictable behaviour; Hyundai = hard to set up; Fiesta = ?

[wrc2017]

that car really sounds strange after the damage.

Why was Ott up on the bank before spinning?

[eib1]

Hard to say, I think all are pretty equal, that's why I don't think anyone can point out the better one of them. The difference has to be made by the crew sitting in it, which is great. Put the top 3 (Tänak, Ogier, Neuville) in any car, and they could win with it. But I think none of those 3 would mind sitting in a Fiesta WRC at the moment. ;)

Agree, sadly we have 4 teams but 3 top drivers.

Made some calculations just for fun, excluded our top 3 drivers from every rally so far this year and the results are:

Rally wins:
Hyundai - 4
Ford - 3
Citroen - 1
Toyota - 0

Podium places in total:
Ford - 9
Hyundai - 7
Toyota - 5
Skoda - 2
Citroen - 1

And some say that Toyota is dominant and fastest car by far...

[wrc2017]

Agree, sadly we have 4 teams but 3 top drivers.

Made some calculations just for fun, excluded our top 3 drivers from every rally so far this year and the results are:

Rally wins:
Hyundai - 4
Ford - 3
Citroen - 1
Toyota - 0

Podium places in total:
Ford - 9
Hyundai - 7
Toyota - 5
Skoda - 2
Citroen - 1

And some say that Toyota is dominant and fastest car by far...

Are u talking fast or realiable?

[stefanvv]

Agree, sadly we have 4 teams but 3 top drivers.

Made some calculations just for fun, excluded our top 3 drivers from every rally so far this year and the results are:

Rally wins:
Hyundai - 4
Ford - 3
Citroen - 1
Toyota - 0

Podium places in total:
Ford - 9
Hyundai - 7
Toyota - 5
Skoda - 2
Citroen - 1

And some say that Toyota is dominant and fastest car by far...

Somehow Ford running 2 cars in most rallies and citroen 2 in all of them has to have some influence.

[Mirek]

Agree, sadly we have 4 teams but 3 top drivers.

Made some calculations just for fun, excluded our top 3 drivers from every rally so far this year and the results are:

Rally wins:
Hyundai - 4
Ford - 3
Citroen - 1
Toyota - 0

Podium places in total:
Ford - 9
Hyundai - 7
Toyota - 5
Skoda - 2
Citroen - 1

And some say that Toyota is dominant and fastest car by far...

This is actually pretty interesting considering the strength of Toyota driver line-up.

[stefanvv]

Why was Ott up on the bank before spinning?

Could be because of the power steering.

[doubled1978]

I think you hit the nail on the head with your last sentence. instead of looking at which car is the best, we can look at which car is not the worse... Toyota = poor reliability; Citroen = unpredictable behaviour; Hyundai = hard to set up; Fiesta = ?

I think the Toyota is the fastest car most often if you want to put it like that, but is part of that the fact it’s on a knife edge reliability wise? The Ford is a very good package in that it doesn’t seem to have any duff events, yet is more sturdy than the Toyota. It’s at a slight disadvantage in that they are the only team without one of the top 3 drivers so headline results are harder to come by, Evans was majestic in Corsica tho. The Hyundai is great in the right conditions, but it does struggle with low grip situations/understeer and it’s only really Neuville that can get the best out of it consistently. The Citroen is still the most inconsistent for me, Ogier has done great and bullied it onto a lot of podiums it didn’t really deserve, but mistakes are being made along the way and I think he will feel slightly fortunate to be within sight of Tanak in the championship.
Will be interesting to see if the proposed updates from both Citroen and Hyundai change the balance at all...

[EstWRC]

Hard to say, I think all are pretty equal, that's why I don't think anyone can point out the better one of them. The difference has to be made by the crew sitting in it, which is great. Put the top 3 (Tänak, Ogier, Neuville) in any car, and they could win with it. But I think none of those 3 would mind sitting in a Fiesta WRC at the moment. ;)

you nailed it with your post man...i just wanted to write the same that Tänak, Ogier and Neuville are the ones who are making their machines look fast and the best. Take them away from those teams and we wouldnt have this conversation right here, because the championship would look so equal and interesting then. (not that it isnt interesting atm but you get what i mean)


Agree, sadly we have 4 teams but 3 top drivers.

Made some calculations just for fun, excluded our top 3 drivers from every rally so far this year and the results are:

Rally wins:
Hyundai - 4
Ford - 3
Citroen - 1
Toyota - 0

Podium places in total:
Ford - 9
Hyundai - 7
Toyota - 5
Skoda - 2
Citroen - 1

And some say that Toyota is dominant and fastest car by far...

thanks for this, really interesting statistic.

[denkimi]

Hard to say, I think all are pretty equal, that's why I don't think anyone can point out the better one of them. The difference has to be made by the crew sitting in it, which is great. Put the top 3 (Tänak, Ogier, Neuville) in any car, and they could win with it. But I think none of those 3 would mind sitting in a Fiesta WRC at the moment. ;)
i think you overestimate the speed of the fiesta. it wasn't the fastest car in 2016 or 2017. and it's very unlikely that they have made big improvements compared to the other teams since then.
even ogier, the best driver in the world, won his titels on consistency and by failure of the others, and not by dominating speed-wise.

i think every driver would want to be in that toyota at this moment. it may break often, but it has the speed to go for the win without even pushing hard.

[janvanvurpa]

Well, holy shit.

If someone had told me that on Sunday SORDO would ever win another rally I'd have called them insane.

And if they'd told me the podium would be Sordo Suninen Mikkelsen? I'd probably have bet something ridiculous like eating my shoes if that were to happen.

Such a shame for Tanak, but the top 3 (especially Suninen and Sordo) were master class this time around. Spectacular drives from those three.

And nice curveball for the pickems :D

Even if Ott not have problems being 29s after Ott in second to last stage is impressive as hell because we know Ott is on a roll, he's hot now so 29s back after 3 1/2 hours is realy good..especially when we consider how ancient he is..He's 36 years old and according to all the ex-spurts he should be in wheelchair and with a seeing eye dog leading him..
I guess he is deaf to criticism...well that is his name anyway..

[stefanvv]

i think every driver would want to be in that toyota at this moment. it may break often, but it has the speed to go for the win without even pushing hard.

I don't wanna be in Latvala & Meeke's place reading this.

[tommeke_B]

i think you overestimate the speed of the fiesta. it wasn't the fastest car in 2016 or 2017. and it's very unlikely that they have made big improvements compared to the other teams since then.
even ogier, the best driver in the world, won his titels on consistency and by failure of the others, and not by dominating speed-wise.

i think every driver would want to be in that toyota at this moment. it may break often, but it has the speed to go for the win without even pushing hard.

Watching the times of last Tour de Corse, I don't think I'm underestimating it's pace. 2017 is a while ago, the cars have evolved a lot since then. But remember, last year, Ogier won 4 events (and was 2 times extremely close to the win), Tänak won 4, Neuville won 3 (of which one less than a second in front of Ogier). Saying Ogier didn't win by speed is complete nonsense. ;)

If the Toyota had the speed without pushing hard, as you claim, why is Tänak the only one who ended up on the podium with it this year? Meeke and Latvala don't have a reputation of being slow drivers.

Let's talk about the speed of the Fiesta again, after Finland and Germany. ;)

[Tarmop]

denkimi is just humiliating once again...

[KKS]

Why was Ott up on the bank before spinning?
Cuz there he already have steering problems

[eib1]

made some more statistics, which is kind of opposite of my earlier thoughts

stage wins without our top 3 drivers:
Meeke - 35
Latvala - 22
Evans - 17
Sordo - 14
Mikkelsen - 14
Loeb - 13
Suninen - 12
Lappi - 11

Toyota - 57
Hyundai - 41
Ford - 29
Citroen - 11

[stefanvv]

Why was Ott up on the bank before spinning?

Just watched the onboard, the steering failed 1 corner earlier, with some cut through the wall, after that corner Tanak steers right, but the wheels were pointing left, go figure....