Wales Rally GB

[mknight]

If someone crashes because they didn't judge the speed right, how is that not a fair result?

Ref. Tanak in Sardinia.

[jonkka]

you can take out the IF from your sentence, he will definitely continue and make those records

Everything is IF until it has happened.

[EstWRC]

Ref. Tanak in Sardinia.


where did he crash in Sardegna?

[KKS]

Rallirinki / Teemu‏ @HartusvuoriWRC (https://twitter.com/HartusvuoriWRC) 57s58 seconds ago (https://twitter.com/HartusvuoriWRC/status/1048892724475248641)More

There's been an accident in the between stages show at The Great Orme. Start of the stage likely delayed, even rumours of cancellation. #WRClive (https://twitter.com/hashtag/WRClive?src=hash)

[mknight]

where did he crash in Sardegna?

You know that very well, nosedive to break the radiator.

Latvala, Ogier and Lappi who were top 3 on the stage all lifted off or braked before the jump. He didn't.

"Car let him down"

[AnttiL]

https://twitter.com/NWPRPU/status/1048892097569480706


We are currently dealing with a serious collision on the Promenade at #Llandudno which will affect the final stage of the @walesgbrally. Any witnesses or anybody who has footage from their camera phones are asked to contact us as soon as possible quoting reference number W142976

[deephouse]

What incident? What is happening

[Whinlatter]

Accident during motorbike demo I believe.

[mknight]

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/wales-rally-gb-live-latest-15236428

[mknight]

From the above link: "Police say the road is likely to remain closed until late this afternoon whilst emergency services assist with the accident."

Sounds like cancellation to me.

[steve.mandzij]

From the above link: "Police say the road is likely to remain closed until late this afternoon whilst emergency services assist with the accident."

Sounds like cancellation to me.Oh fucks' sake... I hope I haven't woken up for nothing

[KKS]

as incident was at the end of stage - they can just move finish

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Do5vOnxXgAIVSUO.jpg

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Sounds serious as an air ambulance is required.

As well as being terrible for those involved it will be bad for the organisers and their hopes of showing the area to the world on TV.

[Slazwierder]

On Rtbf they told that they will shorten the stage +/-650m

[HarriK]

On Rtbf they told that they will shorten the stage +/-650m

I dont think that is possible to do fast.

[deephouse]

Sounds serious as an air ambulance is required.

As well as being terrible for those involved it will be bad for the organisers and their hopes of showing the area to the world on TV.

You would love that right...To cancel the stage.

[Tarmop]

You know that very well, nosedive to break the radiator.

Latvala, Ogier and Lappi who were top 3 on the stage all lifted off or braked before the jump. He didn't.

"Car let him down"


You mean the place, where he was fighting with the top guys, only one who lifted, was Lappi, and they had gone over it for 3 times already? You are always such a good driver in theory, you should be there and showing them. Except real cars don`t handle like in GTA or something like that.

[mknight]

You mean the place, where he was fighting with the top guys, no one lifted, like him the previous 3(?) times? You are always such a good driver in theory, you should be there and showing them.

Go to the onboard, watch. All 3 others lift (no onboard for Neuville available), he doesn't. His car doesn't survive the nosedive, other cars don't nosedive at all.

That's facts. All this random insults you add don't change it.

EDIT: Even Østberg is on the brakes before the jump.

[Tarmop]

They aren`t insults, its what you always say, how it would be so easy to change the line going over 100 kph on loose gravel in something like 10-20 meters. Most of the time mathematically impossible, not to mention how it would result in a bigger crash due to physics.

[jparker]

You mean the place, where he was fighting with the top guys, only one who lifted, was Lappi, and they had gone over it for 3 times already? You are always such a good driver in theory, you should be there and showing them. Except real cars don`t handle like in GTA or something like that.

Well, the facts are facts. Only Tanak has retiremens like this.

[flykas]

They aren`t insults, its what you always say, how it would be so easy to change the line going over 100 kph on loose gravel in something like 10-20 meters. Most of the time mathematically impossible, not to mention how it would result in a bigger crash due to physics.

I guess this is where experience comes into play.

[Tarmop]

I just can`t see, how you can put those radiators on the driver. Maybe you lack rallying experience as a driver?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

UPDATE: The intention is now to run SS23 Great Orme Llandudno 2 for the top competitors at 1330.

[sonnybobiche]

How is it possible that I get the information from this forum before I hear it on the live TV coverage?

[PLuto]

How is it possible that I get the information from this forum before I hear it on the live TV coverage?

Better sources? ;-)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

You would love that right...To cancel the stage.

Wrong.

[flykas]

Well it is clearly up to the driver to prevent excessive nosedive and also if it was the place where others lifted and he didn't that seems logical to me.

[MrJan]

How is it possible that I get the information from this forum before I hear it on the live TV coverage?

Loads of places are ahead of TV coverage. Radio chatter, Twitter people at the event etc.

[Tarmop]

Well it is clearly up to the driver to prevent excessive nosedive and also if it was the place where others lifted and he didn't that seems logical to me.

Like Neuville, who landed even worse and after whom came Tänak as a third driver on the road? Remember, that Tänak warned his teammates and others also learned about it from alllive for instance.

[mknight]

I just can`t see, how you can put those radiators on the driver. Maybe you lack rallying experience as a driver?

Maybe Ogier that braked on the same Sardinia jump lacks experience as a driver you mean? + Latvala, Lappi and Østberg. Neuville onboard is not on.

[KKS]

How is it possible that I get the information from this forum before I hear it on the live TV coverage?
Cuz a TV it's rainbow country where all OK. And forum it's true truth :)

[Tarmop]

Maybe Ogier that braked on the same Sardinia jump lacks experience as a driver you mean? + Latvala, Lappi and Østberg. Neuville onboard is not on.

Lappi said, he lifted, Latvala said, that he was warned by Tänak just after his incident there. That i agree.

[itix]

Nose dive or not, this can relatively simply be rectified with a forward facing lip that is bent upwards so that it doesn't dig into the gravel.
If there is space for it however is a different question.

Bend the lip upwards and overlap it with the underside of the bumper. Even if the bumper gets damaged you have a secondary barrier and you still retain a flat floor while the bumper is intact.

[KKS]

New finish line
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Do52TmfW4AASUCV.jpg

[dimviii]

SUN 13:00 - SS23
Only the top 14 cars will tackle the stage.

[jparker]

I just can`t see, how you can put those radiators on the driver. Maybe you lack rallying experience as a driver?

You are lacking experience understanding what other say. Nobody denies the car has an issue, landings like that should not brake the car. Having said that, if one is aware of this, he should try to avoid nose down landing.

[flykas]

Like Neuville, who landed even worse and after whom came Tänak as a third driver on the road?

Neuvill's landing wasn't worse, because you can see that Toyota's front even bounced back into air after the impact, and in Neuvill's case it wasn't so much into the front of the car, but yeah I agree, I wouldn't say that he prevented it because of his skill, just luck and different car.

[PLuto]

Stage will start at 13:30, route will be shortened for 650 m and only top 14 crews will go through stage.

[SubaruNorway]

Like Neuville, who landed even worse and after whom came Tänak as a third driver on the road? Remember, that Tänak warned his teammates and others also learned about it from alllive for instance.

They ran the jump on the shakedown and Tänak nearly did the same then
https://youtu.be/Me9_qpG5xNI?t=75

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Al least tv are showing the stage from this morning for all to see the Gt Orme Llandudno. :)

[Essaj]

Stage will start at 13:30, route will be shortened for 650 m and only top 14 crews will go through stage.

What if lets say Pontus retires on the stage, guys who wont complete the stage will still gain a position?

[Rallyper]

New starting time on SS23 is 14:45 CET got it from All Live ...

[AnttiL]

What if lets say Pontus retires on the stage, guys who wont complete the stage will still gain a position?

The rest will get a notional time, so yes.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

UK TV (Ch5) are staying with the live coverage. Hope other countries do the same.

[MrJan]

I like Tommi. He knows that it's a tall order for JML to take the winner and even had a wry smile as he said that Ogier probably has it sorted.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

13.45 start now. Also seems to be raining a bit...

[KKS]

Imagine if Power Stage was a last stage....

[PLuto]

Stage will start at 14:00.

[KKS]

Stage will start at 14:00.
this day? :D

[Rallyper]

Stage will start at 14:00.

Your sources for sure are better than All Live ... ;)

[Rally Power]

Amazing rally so far, but this Great Orme deal has been a mess since they annouce it. The FIA should never allow the PS change and organizers should have run it as a SSS on Friday or Saturday. This is a sport, not a circus.

[Frostmourne]

Any live stream links for the power stage?

[Tarmop]

They ran the jump on the shakedown and Tänak nearly did the same then
https://youtu.be/Me9_qpG5xNI?t=75

It was actually on the second time they tackled the jump, adding 3x more on SDs so quite memorised. I gerenally don`t have a favourite and feel bad or good for everyone, but this national stuff just is stupid. One totals 2 chassis` and has major offs....its just on the car, other drives through a pothole smaller than some on public roads, breaks a RALLYCAR and its his fault.:D Not to mention some stated "facts".

[Fast Eddie WRC]

It was mostly a mistake to do bike displays in the area of the stage. The accident was by the jump. The display should be well away from the road.

[dnb]

Any live stream links for the power stage?

https://plus.wrc.com/en/live-stages/live/

[dimviii]

SUN 13:55 - ROAD ORDER FOR SS23
1. Tidemand 2. Rovanperä 3. Evans 4. Tänak 5. Østberg 6. Paddon 7. Mikkelsen 8. Neuville 9. Breen 10. Lappi 11. Latvala 12. Ogier 13. Greensmith 14. Huttunen

[Frostmourne]

@ dnb

I think that is not for free. Any other links? :D

[Rallyper]

SS23 has started.

[steve.mandzij]

Sure, it's cool, sure, it adds a mixed surface quality to GB, but this stage is plain silly.

[MrJan]

How's it working with WRC2 if only top 14 are doing the stage?

[PLuto]

Any live stream links for the power stage?

http://sportingvideo1.com/20181006/vv5bb867768d9c87.26438407-2053644.html

[PLuto]

How's it working with WRC2 if only top 14 are doing the stage?

They will give notional times.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Great Orme scenery looking spectacular... and its not even sunny !

[MrJan]

They will give notional times.

So the top 4 guys run the risk of a DNF and the others get to just mosey to service? Isn't that a waste of time?

[steve.mandzij]

So nice to see Kalle actually win a WRC2 rally! Finally!

[mufcAleksi]

So nice to see Kalle actually win a WRC2 rally! Finally!

Well he technically won in Australia last year;)

[deephouse]

So if Tidemand don't get the seat at the top there will be three WRC2 title contenders next year. Haha all by Skoda...

[steve.mandzij]

Well he technically won in Australia last year;)That's why I said actually, this time it's for real :D

[deephouse]

OK here we go

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ogier smashes it when it really matters.

[steve.mandzij]

I was hoping for a mindless attack from Latvala, but a nice finish nonetheless.

[Rallyper]

Two rounds still to go, but the Master is on fire!!! Congrats to seb, but even more happy for JML.

[KKS]

no drama stage. And JML wasted nearly last chance to win a rally. pitty

[dimviii]

Ogier took 1 sec/km from Latvala.

[EstWRC]

Congrats champ!

[steve.mandzij]

no drama stage. And JML wasted nearly last chance to win a rally. pittyIf he can repeat his performance from Australia last year he might have one final chance.

[jparker]

It was actually on the second time they tackled the jump, adding 3x more on SDs so quite memorised. I gerenally don`t have a favourite and feel bad or good for everyone, but this national stuff just is stupid. One totals 2 chassis` and has major offs....its just on the car, other drives through a pothole smaller than some on public roads, breaks a RALLYCAR and its his fault.:D Not to mention some stated "facts".

You can talk as much as you want, but that won't change the fact that Tanak broke the radiator 5 times, while the other two drivers none.

[itix]

So if Tidemand don't get the seat at the top there will be three WRC2 title contenders next year. Haha all by Skoda...Well he has hit his speed roof so I doubt he has a seat anywhere. No reasonable manager would sign him.

[Ucci]

What a relief!! Finally one event with luck on a Seb's side. I already wrote off his chances, now I see "sun above the horizon".
Great event, one of the most important victories for him. Congrats! And he showed, that Yaris can be beaten. Still very good result for JML and Lappi. Breen showed there is potential in C3 (imagine Ogier behind the steering wheel....future looks bright for 5x WRC champion).
Rovanpera: this victory clearly shows the immense potential of a boy, who is in his puberty. Deep respect!

[krissucool]

What a relief!! Finally one event with luck on a Seb's side. I already wrote off his chances, now I see "sun above the horizon".
Great event, one of the most important victories for him. Congrats! And he showed, that Yaris can be beaten. Still very good result for JML and Lappi. Breen showed there is potential in C3 (imagine Ogier behind the steering wheel....future looks bright for 5x WRC champion).
Rovanpera: this victory clearly shows the immense potential of a boy, who is in his puberty. Deep respect!

Well obviously the Yaris can be beaten. How many times this year has Ogier been slower than Latvala or Lappi on pure speed? Finland probably, any other rallies?

Its Tänak he is having trouble beating, not the Toyotas.

[MrJan]

You can talk as much as you want, but that won't change the fact that Tanak broke the radiator 5 times, while the other two drivers none.

He's won 4 rallies this season as well, while the other drivers have won none between them.

[Rally Power]

Congrats to Ogier/Ingrassia and MSport. Gutted for Tanak but after today show we must recognize Ogier deserved this win. Still a 3 way battle for the title and hopefully it'll continue so until the end of Australia rally!
Huge congrats to Rovanpera; the kid seems already a champ.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

What is this social media Julian Porter mentioned about Tanak's incident and his sumpguard getting embedded in the road ? Any pictures / links ?

[BigWorm]

What is this social media Julian Porter mentioned about Tanak's incident and his sumpguard getting embedded in the road ? Any pictures / links ?

It's posted here in the forum a few pages back

[denkimi]

Well obviously the Yaris can be beaten. How many times this year has Ogier been slower than Latvala or Lappi on pure speed? Finland probably, any other rallies?

Its Tänak he is having trouble beating, not the Toyotas.
He had far less trouble beating tanak when they were driving the same car last year.

I believe the toyota is the best car by some margin right now. Its just lappi and latvala who are not up to it. Just like mikkelsen and paddon at hyundai, or evans at msport.

[T16]

What is this social media Julian Porter mentioned about Tanak's incident and his sumpguard getting embedded in the road ? Any pictures / links ?
It’s further back on here somewhere.

[mknight]

Ogier now main title favorite.

Toyota clear manu favorite.

In this rally Hyundai lost quite a lot on both titles due to the Friday morning pace. Nandan admitted that himself on the stream that the setup was nowhere near where it should and also said their test was dry. (from vids it also looked like it was on a bit wider roads than those on Friday). Note that without the off which cost Neuville pretty much exactly 40s his time is only good for 3rd or 4th.


(Pending no crashes/retirements) Neuville still has a decent chance if he manages go end within top 4 in Spain and can also hope Loeb takes some points off Ogier there. Obviously Tanak also has a chance but has to rely on things happening (which is the norm lately anyway).

Imo both titles will depend a lot on how (if any) has Hyundai improved on tarmac. If they are where they were on smooth tarmac in Germany/Corsica/Spain last year, Neuville and Sordo will fight for 3-5 at best.

-----------------------

For the unsigned drivers and their future GB certainly improves Breen's chances on the driver market. Evans did show real speed for the first time this year but it was so brief that I don't think it helps much. Paddon again slowest Hyundai.

[Mirek]

So if Tidemand don't get the seat at the top there will be three WRC2 title contenders next year. Haha all by Skoda...

Who? I think that only Kalle is sure to stay at the moment.

I'm hugely impressed by Kalle not only here but through the whole season especially considering his age. If he drives like this he will become a WRC2 champion next year.

[krissucool]

He had far less trouble beating tanak when they were driving the same car last year.

I believe the toyota is the best car by some margin right now. Its just lappi and latvala who are not up to it. Just like mikkelsen and paddon at hyundai, or evans at msport.

I dont argue with that. But probably Tänak has improved his driving as well since last year was the first one he was really competitive. And already last year on pure speed they were equal drivers. Ogier did just fewer mistakes.

My real point was that you said that Ogier showd the Yaris can be beaten. But how did he show that?
He beat Lappi and Latvala who he has beaten on almost every rally. But he was beaten on pure speed by Tänak by a calendar until the car broke down.

So in this sense he did not show the yaris can be beaten. Kind of hard to put Tänaks radiator breaking to Ogier.

[Mirek]

Now I see that Kalle had his 18th birthday a week a go. Great present he gave to himself :)

[steve.mandzij]

He had far less trouble beating tanak when they were driving the same car last year.

I believe the toyota is the best car by some margin right now. Its just lappi and latvala who are not up to it. Just like mikkelsen and paddon at hyundai, or evans at msport.I disagree that Lappi and Latvala are on Mikkelsen or Paddon's levels, let alone Evans'. I could imagine only Andreas battling for victory in a Toyota out of the three. Sure enough, the Toyota finns would likely be in the middle of the pack at M-Sport or Hyundai.

Speaking of Hyundai, the i20 looks more and more like the worst car at the moment. It's as if they haven't developed anything new for it and it shows drastically. They've lost pace everywhere and it's short of a miracle what Neuville has pulled off this year.

[Tarmop]

You can talk as much as you want, but that won't change the fact that Tanak broke the radiator 5 times, while the other two drivers none.

Now that`s the "facts" part...it was his 3rd time but still talking like someone, who knows everything. BTWW, Latvala has had a broken gene two times now, others not. What has he done wrong in driving?

[mknight]

Speaking of Hyundai, the i20 looks more and more like the worst car at the moment. It's as if they haven't developed anything new for it and it shows drastically. They've lost pace everywhere and it's short of a miracle what Neuville has pulled off this year.
They are still top on (normal) dry gravel. As I have been saying for the last 6 months, it's the tarmac and Finland that is the issue. They never were good in Finland and the aero evolution seemingly made the car worse on tarmac. Problem is that the number of rallies that "doesn't fit the car" becomes quite long, and most are packed into the second half of the season.

Tänak is saying now that he wants to take the title cause you never know how competetive they are next year. That's pretty much what happened to Neuville from clearly fastest last year.

[Ucci]

My real point was that you said that Ogier showd the Yaris can be beaten. But how did he show that?
He beat Lappi and Latvala who he has beaten on almost every rally. But he was beaten on pure speed by Tänak by a calendar until the car broke down.
It not so easy-look at today's morning situation-JML was on a charge, in those moments I doubt that Ott would be any faster (some rare moments of winning speed shown by JML). But, Ogier thank god found an answer and in that cruical moment succeeded to regain the leadership. And very important-won the last stage. So there was nothing given to him (except Ott's off; but this is already another story).

[stefanvv]

Kind of hard to put Tänaks radiator breaking to Ogier.

Of course that's not what Ogier would want, but some people may argue the "pressure" forces a driver to be on the limit, with all the risks involved.

[Tarmop]

But was he under pressure? Well, yes, in a way you always are, but he himself said that it was more about just cruising through with a nice gap.

[krissucool]

Of course that's not what Ogier would want, but some people may argue the "pressure" forces a driver to be on the limit, with all the risks involved.

I completely agree. But he was not under any pressure. Ogier was miles from him. If anything he was in too much of a cruise mode.

[mknight]

Facts: On stage before Tänak lost 6s to Ogier in what was effectively his slowest stage time of the rally until then and said it was big surprise it was dry and that he needs to manage the rest of the loop.

[Tarmop]

Well yes, but still 42 seconds clear.

[dimviii]

De villers video
https://youtu.be/uGjxuvti23o

[dimviii]

lol


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[BigWorm]

lol


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[dimviii]

michelin video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHMNPcyaNTE&feature=youtu.be&a

nice small clip with Ostberg
https://twitter.com/WilloLeeds87/status/1048976258435096576

[T16]

When the clouds clear, you can see that Wales is absolutely stunning. The people there are sound too.
Whilst the WRC cars are mind blowing, it’s a shame that there are just over ten of them.
Why happens if one of the manufacturers. stops... just 7 or 8 WRC cars? That’s just not enough. Will more cars end up in private hands going forward? I can’t think of a RAC/ rally GB I’ve ever been to where the amount of top spec cars was so few. I follow the sport fairly closely, as do many on here, but I’m not even sure if the powers that be are planning on tackling this shortage of decent cars.... yeah, it would be fun to drive a R5, but watching them is complete shit.... too quiet and well behaved.
God that Toyota is fast.

[hype]

This is my first visit to WRGB and I have to say, I am impressed.
Very friendly helpful people everywhere, I had a lot of fun.
Great organization, great country 👍

[mknight]

Fun fact:

Rally GB is the first time this season that Lappi (1 stage) and Latvala (2 stages) led a rally.

[noel157]

What is this social media Julian Porter mentioned about Tanak's incident and his sumpguard getting embedded in the road ? Any pictures / links ?

Here you go Eddie:

https://twitter.com/IRDC_/status/1048851741511438336

[AnttiL]

Fun fact:

Rally GB is the first time this season that Lappi (1 stage) and Latvala (2 stages) led a rally.

First time a Finnish driver did so in 2018. And a Finnish driver is yet to win a rally this year. It would be the first time since 1995 (which is probably the only such season)

[mknight]

Well the last time a French driver didn't win a rally was in 1997. So Finland is not so bad ;)

[EstWRC]

does anyone know whats the record for consecutive stage wins? i mean how many rallies in a row not how many on one rally.

[mknight]

Well last time Tanak has not won a stage is Corsica last year if that's what you are asking. Otherwise I'd guess Loeb and Ogier should have long records, but dunno where to find it easily.

[EstWRC]

Yeah i know the Ott statistics, 20 rallies in a row for the moment but i also guess it is Loeb or Ogier.

of course not a important statistic but just interesting to me.

[T16]

does anyone know whats the record for consecutive stage wins? i mean how many rallies in a row not how many on one rally.

I have a feeling Loeb actually strung a few rally's worth of stage wins together consecutively. I'm not 100% though.

[mknight]

Loeb won in every WRC rally from Finland 2004 to Sardinia 2009, I count 73 rallies.

Ogier has won a stage in every single rally with Polo, so 40 + Monte 2017, didn't compete with WRC in 2012. If you add WRC before that you have whole season 2011 (13) + 4 last in 2010 for 58 in total.

The numbers are from manual counting so quite sure there are errors.

EDIT: Loeb won all stages on Corsica 2005.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Here you go Eddie:

https://twitter.com/IRDC_/status/1048851741511438336

Thanks mate.

This was all I saw for damage:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Do1gN-dXoAA6sX4.jpg:large

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Instagram post:

otttanak
(to Ogier) Congratulations my friend! Been too long for you without a win 🙈 Now let’s fight for it 💪😇

[eib1]

Instagram post:

otttanak
(to Ogier) Congratulations my friend! Been too long for you without a win �� Now let’s fight for it ����

https://www.instagram.com/p/BopHwsPgVXR/?taken-by=otttanak

[Fast Eddie WRC]

BBC report on the accident that delayed the final stage:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-45777590

And they actually report the rally !!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/motorsport/45773901

[RS]

Well he (Tidemand) has hit his speed roof so I doubt he has a seat anywhere. No reasonable manager would sign him.

My feeling is Tidemand could do a solid job in a WRC team, somewhere in the Breen-Ostberg ballpark but he doesn't seem so exciting any more with the speed Kalle has shown or how Kopecky took him on for the title this year.

If Skoda enter with a World Rally Car from 2021, I would expect them to start testing that in some form from the end of next year. IIRC Fabia S2000 and Fabia R5 had pretty long development periods and both projects turned out pretty well.

Will be interesting to see what they do next year driver wise.

[noel157]

De villers video
https://youtu.be/uGjxuvti23o

His best video and the best I've seen in years. Well done.

[mknight]

My feeling is Tidemand could do a solid job in a WRC team, somewhere in the Breen-Ostberg ballpark but he doesn't seem so exciting any more with the speed Kalle has shown or how Kopecky took him on for the title this year.



Suninen was never really shining in WRC2 and as far as I recall had usually same or worse speed as Tidemand (different cars though). Hard to tell how Tidemand would/will do in WRC, could do very well or not so good. In any case staying in WRC2 too long means stagnation. If he doesn't do a few rallies in WRC next year he might never move up.
Personally I never ranked him very high, but I would never dare say how he does in WRC.

Rovanpera obviously did very good and together with germany this makes me believe he will do well in WRC when the time comes . I don't think the time should come already in 2019. A few years ago you could do that, do full season just "learning" in WRC like Ogier did in 2009. Nowadays teams expect some results even in first year. I also hope he doesn't get his head full of all those fanboys everywhere that talk about him being next champion all the time. (some WRC-Allive crew joining those atm). That is for me biggest danger for his future.

[Rallyper]

A bit confused here.

Everyone seems to know Tidemand hasn´t got the speed in a WRC car, and at the same time already making Kalle a world champion.

Having said that it´s important to be aware of how development can work. We know nothing about those two, except from that Kalle will stay in WRC2 next year.

Besides I do believe Skoda already working with their WRC car listening to engine sounds in vids from Tidemands testing session recent weeks...

[RS]

Besides I do believe Skoda already working with their WRC car listening to engine sounds in vids from Tidemands testing session recent weeks...

It does sound a bit fruity, will be interesting to see what Skoda announce at their annual press conference.

[tommeke_B]

A few photos from a fantastic event:

https://scontent.fbru2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/43460558_2575476189130918_330273381515526144_o.jpg ?_nc_cat=101&oh=40ff6b988da37bd66f51635766cc2453&oe=5C4C422F

https://scontent.fbru2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/43519190_2575474892464381_4877047394534948864_o.jp g?_nc_cat=100&oh=93e22230ae062a5908a874b168d3e9f9&oe=5C5F6AF8

https://scontent.fbru2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/43358999_2575476462464224_8117160174197669888_o.jp g?_nc_cat=101&oh=c61d5247d33d3ddb87e6bc7286597ace&oe=5C51597C

https://scontent.fbru2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/43378992_2575475855797618_7291815284090863616_o.jp g?_nc_cat=111&oh=5eaf7061784b7a47d2e483610f2d0aef&oe=5C1771AC

https://scontent.fbru2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/43491465_2575476999130837_2208569408777879552_o.jp g?_nc_cat=108&oh=9218cc8e5849b24b3dfe1a645c1adbff&oe=5C5EBCE4

Some more: https://www.facebook.com/pg/rallyimage/photos/?tab=album&album_id=2575474629131074

[Devillersvideo]

His best video and the best I've seen in years. Well done.

Thanks !

What a GREAT rally with a lot of friendly Marschal and people in beautiful landscape :)

[bassist]

Thanks !

What a GREAT rally with a lot of friendly Marschal and people in beautiful landscape :)

Now that's what Rallying footage should look like. Well done !

[dimviii]

A few photos from a fantastic event:

excellent photos Tom!!


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Do-UaywXkAAGhev.jpg
https://scontent.fbru3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/43399107_10156885058179973_3380659262232461312_o.j pg?_nc_cat=108&oh=a6797537c08027514e4dcdcc03004b78&oe=5C4A7C71

[AMSS]

Quit a lot of toe in on the Hyundai R5 setup... ;)

[T16]

Amazing photos.

[gianni123]

my video from a fantastic event

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s548lbLZZdM

[Simmi]

Slowly recovering from another great Rally GB. Good conditions this year for the most part. Probably my first and last trips to Slate Mountain and Great Orme but always good to experience new stages. Really do enjoy the more common sense marshaling in Wales versus some other events.

You can find some photos here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/94998505@N03/albums/72157700637281421

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1923/31307408018_ab6991ca7b_z.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/PGwDES)1 (https://flic.kr/p/PGwDES) by Richard Simpson (https://www.flickr.com/photos/94998505@N03/), on Flickr
https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1917/44459019194_580e97a2f5_z.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2aJG6tG)2 (https://flic.kr/p/2aJG6tG) by Richard Simpson (https://www.flickr.com/photos/94998505@N03/), on Flickr
https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1902/31307407138_c4cb16eb9e_z.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/PGwDpG)3 (https://flic.kr/p/PGwDpG) by Richard Simpson (https://www.flickr.com/photos/94998505@N03/), on Flickr
https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1907/44459018794_fc3e18aac5_z.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2aJG6mN)4 (https://flic.kr/p/2aJG6mN) by Richard Simpson (https://www.flickr.com/photos/94998505@N03/), on Flickr
https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1963/31307405648_8fc470e406_z.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/PGwCY1)5 (https://flic.kr/p/PGwCY1) by Richard Simpson (https://www.flickr.com/photos/94998505@N03/), on Flickr
https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1901/44459018124_9f10136b31_z.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2aJG6af)6 (https://flic.kr/p/2aJG6af) by Richard Simpson (https://www.flickr.com/photos/94998505@N03/), on Flickr
https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1933/31307401328_f1ca7774c0_z.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/PGwBFw)13 (https://flic.kr/p/PGwBFw) by Richard Simpson (https://www.flickr.com/photos/94998505@N03/), on Flickr

[Mirek]

Besides I do believe Skoda already working with their WRC car listening to engine sounds in vids from Tidemands testing session recent weeks...

That was R5 Evo which will be soon homologated.

[dimviii]

Slowly recovering from another great Rally GB.

when you recover,tell us what did you see.

[dimviii]

my video from a fantastic event

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s548lbLZZdM

nie video mate!

[Allez Andruet]

my video from a fantastic event

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s548lbLZZdM

Holy f*ck at Tänak taking that junction @ 3:15 :eek:

[MrJan]

Really do enjoy the more common sense marshaling in Wales versus some other events.

I've not always had that experience but this weekend everyone we met was superb. Liked the comment by a guy on Dyfi "there's a lot of norms here this weekend so keep behind the tape for this bit, but after that you're fine" :D There's usually a few people around that act like knobends so it's not a huge surprise that sometimes marshals have to be a little strict, but it's also nice to be recognised as a fan that might have common sense.

Great photos btw.

[Norm75]

. . . . . Liked the comment by a guy on Dyfi "there's a lot of norms here this weekend so keep behind the tape for this bit, but after that you're fine" :D . . . .
Erm!:ninja:

[Whinlatter]

my video from a fantastic event

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s548lbLZZdM

Superb - I'm one of the blurred shapes in the background at about 5:32 getting sprayed by Mikkelsen....

[MrJan]

Erm!:ninja:

:laugh: His words, not mine

[dimviii]

love this clip
https://twitter.com/Leebo2804/status/1049063107165921282

[EstWRC]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ziIwvRdiwA&feature=youtu.be

[mknight]

After watching this:

https://youtu.be/NTRVY5lNwog?t=158 (should start at 2:40)

I remembered the talks about Toyota setup and tried to find same places for more cars (which somehow wasn't easy). On the places I saw the Toyota's seem to nosedive a bit more under braking than others, not much but you can see the difference, something like 5-10cms.

Here it's easiest to see:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ziIwvRdiwA&feature=youtu.be
0:20 Latvala with 3 loud touches, specially the first one is all the way to the sumpguard
6:20 Suninen never touches
6:50 Mikkelsen 1 touch

Here the differences are much smaller, but still looks like there is some:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGjxuvti23o&feature=youtu.be
0:15 Mikkelsen
2:07 Suninen
3:30 Toyota (cant see number)
4:40 Lappi (I think)

I also remember seeing photos from where Toyota is scraping with splitter under braking after a straight. Sure different drivers don't brake exactly the same, but it's not like other cars are braking the radiators/front suspension under braking either. (Toyota now had related issues in GB, Portugal (Tanak and Latvala) and Argentina (Latvala))

Could be rideheight by itself, setup or suspension design or a combination... or nothing, but then again the broken cars are real.

[raig0]

Softer suspension=more grip in low grip situations.
Maybe toyota must redisign their front suspension geometry also to prevent so much nosedive.

[EstWRC]

another vid https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ko3LXN3I_Is
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99ZNK7gJEys
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFRu4fugtkY

[AL14]

After watching this:

https://youtu.be/NTRVY5lNwog?t=158 (should start at 2:40)



Look at 2:45... Why people are so willing to die? I thought we all wanted to avoid that...

[er88]

Was a great event, really enjoyed the stages and the route this year. We managed to do Clocaenog 1, Slate Mountain and Brenig 2 on the Friday. Myherin 1, Dyfnant and Dyfi 2 on the Saturday, and both runs through the orme on the Saturday.

Only disappointment was the lack of top line WRC machinery. R5 cars have nothing on the old s2000s in terms of spectacle imo, so the lack of any decent privateers in this new generation of WRC cars is felt. Hopefully Citroen and Msport can run 3 cars next year.

[dimviii]

Neuvilles off from different angle
https://youtu.be/_57kpTIGM5M

[dimviii]

from French forum Neuvilles interview
----------------------------------------------------

*

Thierry, let's go back for a moment on this small exit which cost you about fifty seconds on Saturday morning. What really happened?

"I braked before a summit but I realized that it was too early so I released the pedal but when I came back it was too late, I was a few km / h too fast for negotiating the right turn, I was not far in the ditch, but I was sitting, it took six or seven people to help me out, and that error ultimately cost me up to two because I do not think I would have been able to do better than third in the regular, so it cost me between two and five points we will say.

*

Why was the Hyundai slightly behind the competition?

"Mostly because we did our dry weather pre-tests while the rally had a lot of mud and rain, Toyota tested two days after Turkey in hateful conditions and Elfyn Evans too. It's just a matter of tweaking. "

*

This 5th place final, you have been looking for the regular. You have not had the help of your teammates, they have not been asked to lift their feet in the last specials?

"No, not at all because it was as important that they beat Mads Ostberg in the Huyndai constructors championship, and at the last TRC, Andreas just waited to see if he should be late in the event he would be ironed in front of me, but that was not the case. "

*

You miss 4th place for less than five seconds. No regrets? It seems that you did not really attack Saturday at the end of the day, that you ensure your place to be first on the road in the Power Stage?

"No, that was not the case, I had just a bad position on the road on Saturday, and Andreas and Hayden, who were leaving in front, had better times than me, and I could not go faster."

*

You said that now you are hoping to win in Spain and Australia. A bit optimistic in opening the road to the land in Catalonia, no?

"It would surprise me that I said that ..." (mega lol !!)

*

It's written in the Hyundai press release ...

"Yes, it would obviously win the last two, but the Toyota was already very fast last year and they will still be very hard to beat in Catalonia."

*

Finally, you must have been relieved to hear that Ott had given up ...

"It's all part of the rally, and in the last three events, each of the title contenders was forced to retire when he was leading or about to win the race. is not really a mechanical break like me He broke his radiator by tapping too hard in a hole ... I would say we are therefore equal.

*

Sébastien Ogier and Ott Tanak exchanged their positions behind you. In the current situation, it may be better, right?

"Yes, we have seen this weekend that the Toyota is currently very fast and on all terrains, so I prefer in a sense to have the Ford of Ogier just behind me that the Yaris because for me Ott will be again favorite in Spain."

*

Even if mathematically can be crowned in Spain at the end of the month, there is a good chance that the title will be played in Australia. You remain confident?

"Of course, morale is good, I'm still leading with a seven-point lead, I've got my fate in hand, I won this rally last year and I'm sure my Hyundai will perform well. We did not miss much in England, it's just small details that make the difference. "
Did you say that you'd rather approach Australia five points behind than five points ahead, which means you're second on the road rather than having to open?

"Today, I do not think about that, my goal is to increase my lead over Ogier in Spain, if I can count a dozen points in advance, (note: he could then be content with a 3rd place in case of success of his rival), I want to open there. "

*

When we see the level of the Toyota today and that we know that Ogier goes to Citroën, you are not worried about the future?

"No, Michel Nandan (sports and technical director of Hyundai Motorsport) and the whole team are well aware that the task is going to be tough, we have to move forward and it is developing quite a lot for now. we are going to improve in the future. "

[dimviii]

hilarious moment
https://twitter.com/HMSGOfficial/status/1049655640354955264

some nice photos from Mikkelsens site
http://www.andreasmikkelsen.com/gallery-detail.php?s=2018-wales-rally-gb

[hype]

Was a great event, really enjoyed the stages and the route this year. We managed to do Clocaenog 1, Slate Mountain and Brenig 2 on the Friday. Myherin 1, Dyfnant and Dyfi 2 on the Saturday, and both runs through the orme on the Saturday.

Only disappointment was the lack of top line WRC machinery. R5 cars have nothing on the old s2000s in terms of spectacle imo, so the lack of any decent privateers in this new generation of WRC cars is felt. Hopefully Citroen and Msport can run 3 cars next year.

Yea, it's basically the WRC's, then the Skodas and then it gets kinda boring... :-/

I found it really hard to change between stages at Rally GB and was quite annoyed on Friday that every other access road to the stage is closed.
But as soon as I adapted to that on Saturday it was actually quite nice. Everything is pretty well organized. If they let you drive into the car park you know that there is going to be a spot to park your car somewhere.
Not like in Sardinia or Monte Carlo where parking sometimes results in pure madness ;-)

[mknight]

Some interesting points in Neuville interview.
- he realistically says that he could only get 3rd without the off
- sees Tänak as favourite in Spain (for me it's Loeb and Ogier)
- claims that Hyundai has a lot of development going on (well they certainly need it)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

UK's Channel 5 showed the freeview highlights of Wales Rally GB last night... at midnight. :(

After showing the live stages for the first time on Sat & Sun they then ruined that positive with a big negative.

I dont understand it as they show every other WRC round highlights at 7pm.

[tbtstt]

I had a fantastic day spectating on Myherin. Watched the International class run in the morning, walked a couple of miles down the stage to watch the National cars run, then headed back up the (endless!) hill to see the International cars second pass.

The 2018 WRCars are just astonishing to watch. Absolutely precision from all the top drivers and incredible speed. Really enjoyed seeing the WRC2 cars as well, I might be on my own, but the R5 class has massively increased my interest in WRC2 (and a lot of National Championships).

Felt so bad for Tanak when I heard the news of his retirement, very impressive surge from Latvala later on, real shame he couldn't hold off Ogier. Championship standings have closed slightly, though it's a real shame that Ott couldn't take the win and level things out even more.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Watching the OB's, I notice Loubet's car was still where he stopped on the first run of the Great Orme (SS21). I didnt see this at the time.

https://i.imgur.com/US8PM89.jpg

Shouldnt the car have been removed for the 2nd run (SS23) ? There was certainly plenty of time with the long delay...

[eib1]

Neuvilles off from different angle
https://youtu.be/_57kpTIGM5M

Is it the same place, where Markko Märtin did his famous slide?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aXnMt0yUFI

[Whinlatter]

I had to skip Sunday but managed to get three days' spectating in. Shakedown and service park on Thursday, then Brenig on Friday - got there nice and early and walked across the dam to watch the first WRC run by the lake (with Dave Richards and three helicopters' worth of VIPs who landed behind us). Once the stage had reopened I went along to the tarmac hairpin for the National crews before climbing back to the official speccie point by the road for the second WRC run and a (relatively) quick exit before the queue into Cerrig got too bad. That speccie point was a good one - the commitment of the top cars coming up the hill was fantastic, Lappi in particular was really twitchy and sideways over the fast left over crest.

On Saturday I parked in Sweet Lamb and walked into Hafren past the old mines - was so early that the farm gates across the stage were still closed as no marshals or safety crews had been through! Watched on a long open hairpin right, only me on that corner (and a group of lads 200 yards up the hill). Walked back to the double hairpin for the Nationals, then climbed up to the top of Sweet Lamb for the WRC and got to see Tanak's Yaris expire as it came up the hill towards me - gutted for him. Took an hour and 20" to queue my way out of Sweet Lamb, it's always a bit crap getting away but it seemed worse than usual this year.

Pace of the WRCs was sensational - some of the angles they come into view at.... just ridiculous, but memories that will last a lifetime - we're witnessing something very special here, we won't see the like again once hybrids and bloody electric power units start to be phased in....

I enjoy the R5s too - you've only to watch some of the vids linked from this thread to see how sideways and spectacular they can be - yeah ok, the noise is a bit feeble compared to a WRC or a screaming S2000, but they're still proper bits of kit.

[Simmi]

Is it the same place, where Markko Märtin did his famous slide?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aXnMt0yUFI

Looks like a similar spot but 2004 was when the rally was based in south Wales.

[AL14]

Not rethoric question: did Neuville ever say thank you to those 7-8 guys that put him back in the road allowing him to keep his championship hopes alive?

[mknight]

Yes, mediazone Saturday evening.

[gorganl2000]

i think his co-driver also said thanks to those that helped to get them back on the road via social media

[AnttiL]

Looks like a similar spot but 2004 was when the rally was based in south Wales.

True, no stages or roads shared between that and this year

[Simmi]

Apart from the big Meeke story in MN today - it also says that the service park for GB will likely be moved to Llandudno next year, with an opening spectator stage and start earmarked for either Liverpool or Manchester. Really taking the rally to the people.

Article also says that while there is funding from Wales for the next few years, from 2020 the rally could start to move around the UK.


I find that second bit hard to believe if I'm honest. But let's see.

[AnttiL]

Yes, mediazone Saturday evening.

there was also a tweet dedicated to the spectators

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Apart from the big Meeke story in MN today - it also says that the service park for GB will likely be moved to Llandudno next year, with an opening spectator stage and start earmarked for either Liverpool or Manchester. Really taking the rally to the people.

Article also says that while there is funding from Wales for the next few years, from 2020 the rally could start to move around the UK.


I find that second bit hard to believe if I'm honest. But let's see.

After the long liaison (103km) back to the SP on Friday lunchtime I'm not surprised they are considering moving the SP nearer to the stages.

A street stage in Liverpool would be mega... the people turn out in huge numbers for any event there.

[turves]

A street stage in Liverpool would be mega... the people turn out in huge numbers for any event there.

lets just hope theres no Parc Ferme - all the wheels will be nicked...

[BigWorm]

Just keep it away from Anfield...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

lets just hope theres no Parc Ferme - all the wheels will be nicked...

Car crime far is worse in many other cities - Liverpool isnt even in the worst 10.

Dated reference, like the unemployment chants from football fans.

It's also one of the safest cities in Britain and one of the biggest tourist attractions.

[AnttiL]

After the long liaison (103km) back to the SP on Friday lunchtime I'm not surprised they are considering moving the SP nearer to the stages.

Of course it depends on which stages they are running. Llandudno is further from Clocaenog, for instance, than Deeside, but closer to Slate Mountain.

[MrJan]

Car crime far is worse in many other cities - Liverpool isnt even in the worst 10.

Dated reference, like the unemployment chants from football fans.

It's also one of the safest cities in Britain and one of the biggest tourist attractions.

Sense of humour is also considerably lower than in other cities :p:


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[tbtstt]

Pace of the WRCs was sensational - some of the angles they come into view at.... just ridiculous, but memories that will last a lifetime - we're witnessing something very special here, we won't see the like again once hybrids and bloody electric power units start to be phased in....

I enjoy the R5s too - you've only to watch some of the vids linked from this thread to see how sideways and spectacular they can be - yeah ok, the noise is a bit feeble compared to a WRC or a screaming S2000, but they're still proper bits of kit.
Fully agree with your appraisal of both the current WRCars and the R5's.

Loved the way that the drivers were setting up the WRCars for some of the tighter corner - and the speeds they were doing that at - the current cars are not only quick, but they are really moving around as well. I was very much against the switch to 1.6L in WRC, but each iteration of the 1.6L cars has, in my opinion, seen the cars getting increasingly spectacular.

[AndyRAC]

Apart from the big Meeke story in MN today - it also says that the service park for GB will likely be moved to Llandudno next year, with an opening spectator stage and start earmarked for either Liverpool or Manchester. Really taking the rally to the people.

Article also says that while there is funding from Wales for the next few years, from 2020 the rally could start to move around the UK.


I find that second bit hard to believe if I'm honest. But let's see.

Yes, it does seem hard to believe. However, whilst the event has turned a corner, and is a success - let's be blunt, it's still pretty much invisible. If the organisers want to attract more people to the sport ( and gain greater exposure for associated sponsors, etc) , then they need to move the event around the country. It's not exactly rocket science. Where the sponsorship/ funding comes from is another matter.

And Fast Eddie is right; a stage in Liverpool could be great. This year has seen RedBull Drifters which pulled in a massive crowd - and this weekend' The Giants', which brought the city to a standstill (so I'm told, I was at RallyGB). Back in 1986 on the RAC, there was an overnight halt at the Albert Dock.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Sense of humour is also considerably lower than in other cities :p:


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Humour wears thin after hearing the same jokes for over 30 years.

[AndyRAC]

lets just hope theres no Parc Ferme - all the wheels will be nicked...

FFS - the 1980's wants it's joke back......

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Of course it depends on which stages they are running. Llandudno is further from Clocaenog, for instance, than Deeside, but closer to Slate Mountain.

Clocaenog is the exception being the most easterly of the forest stages.

[T16]

Looks like some changes are going to happen. Freshen it up a bit. https://www.autosport.com/wrc/news/139300/llandudno-tipped-to-host-rally-gb-in-2019

[Barreis]

Ogier onboard https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Lwmk0Ti4ow

[hype]

Few of my shots:

https://abload.de/img/wrcwalesrallygb2018-1fvfvm.jpg (https://abload.de/image.php?img=wrcwalesrallygb2018-1fvfvm.jpg)

https://abload.de/img/wrcwalesrallygb2018-2sxff5.jpg (https://abload.de/image.php?img=wrcwalesrallygb2018-2sxff5.jpg)

https://abload.de/img/wrcwalesrallygb2018-2yvfc6.jpg (https://abload.de/image.php?img=wrcwalesrallygb2018-2yvfc6.jpg)

https://abload.de/img/wrcwalesrallygb2018-2vmea6.jpg (https://abload.de/image.php?img=wrcwalesrallygb2018-2vmea6.jpg)

More here: http://patrik-pangerl.com/wales-rally-gb-2018/

[noel157]

Well, with all the help from some members here my son and his friends had a fantastic weekend. Saw 2 stages on Friday, 3 on Saturday and 2 on the Sunday along with a visit to the SP. Could not believe the speed of the cars and crews. They only used the official spectator areas twice and managed to hike and climb across fields and hill sides to catch the other stages. On some stages they were the only ones to be seen. An app on his phone showed that they had walked 40 kms (26 miles) over the weekend (oh to be young again...).
So again, thanks for the help, it made a massive difference and he's already talking about Germany/Finland along with RGB again next year.

[dimviii]

launching with 3rd gear
https://twitter.com/FakeHinkelstein/status/1051250867259760646

[T16]

Anyone seen the weather in Wales at present? I wonder what would have happened if the rally had been this weekend..

[hype]

Anyone seen the weather in Wales at present? I wonder what would have happened if the rally had been this weekend..

Dust like in Sardinia :-)

[T16]

Superb video from EvoStudio I found in youtube.

apologies if it has been shared already.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQCz0KlevlE

[Whinlatter]

Finally got round to sorting a few photos out from my weekend...

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1954/30407624017_71995ee17f_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/Nk22eB)

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1907/44433469105_78d11ca6a7_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2aGr9jV)

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1950/45346808291_8ae3fd249e_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2c69ffg)

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1958/45346806081_79fce7f5ee_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2c69eAa)

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1978/44433476615_326d62612f_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2aGrbyp)

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1909/30407625237_18842ddcb7_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/Nk22AD)



Full flickr gallery is here https://flic.kr/s/aHskKC86dJ for those who are interested.

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Absolutely awesome shots hype, love that first shot of the Yaris. Great shots as well Whinlatter, really like the penultimate shot of the Fabia.

I didn't want to get too distracted by the camera, but I took a handful of pictures:

https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1953/44443511655_0c9bb3a33d_b.jpg

https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1964/43541875160_6c7dea1874_b.jpg

https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1907/45307152262_6d61db9c67_b.jpg

https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1938/31482262478_aa00090f55_b.jpg

Few more here:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/22961613@N06/albums/72157702478514395