Wales Rally GB

[cosmin_sb]

I have seen that the power stage isn't the last stage. What happen if you take points in power stage and after that you will abandone. Do you keep the points?

[SubaruNorway]

The place Julian was talking about if this happened again
https://youtu.be/4BR50J9JnGs

[jonkka]

I have seen that the power stage isn't the last stage. What happen if you take points in power stage and after that you will abandone. Do you keep the points?

No.
https://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/news/september-2018/rally-gb-power-stage/page/5768--12-12-.html

Q: What happens if a crew scores points at the Power Stage but retires before the Llandudno finish?
A: Crews must complete the entire rally in order to claim any bonus points from the Power Stage. If any of the five quickest drivers in the Power Stage retire on the three remaining tests that lead to the Llandudno finish, their points will pass to the next fastest driver in SS20.

[HaCo]

Gutted for Tanak!

[AL14]

This sport can really hurt the shit out of you. Sorry for Tanak he didn't deserve that.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Toyota:
SS16 Sweet Lamb Hafren 2 (19.95 km): @OttTanak has stopped in the stage, to try and save the engine in order to restart tomorrow. The team will assess the car once it returns to service. #WalesRallyGB #WRC

[steve.mandzij]

Terrible for Tanak, it's unfortunate the sport is so unfair sometimes. He was running a risky low setup all weekend though, so it must have eventually bitten back.

On the bright side, the championship is still far from over, and Latvala now has the greatest chance of victory he's had all year. Especially for Tanak, he should push for the win.

(Also, it's horribly unfair to Toyota to belittle them for being a village team when they're leading the manufacturer's championship).

[EstWRC]

but they are a village team...third time this season Tänak has to retire with the same problem and also the engine overheating in Mexico which they also couldnt solve with a year time!!!!


man i so pissed at the moment sorry

[dimviii]

Latvala now has the greatest chance of victory he's had all year. Especially for Tanak, he should push for the win.


will they risk manufacture points for Tanak?

[EstWRC]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Do1czbiWwAAoPD2.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Do1czbjXkAA-l3z.jpg

[N.O.T]

Village team of nobodies... 3 years and nothing changed... only some finish pockets got bigger...

[focus206]

will they risk manufacture points for Tanak?

My guess is they won't. But I'd love to see Latvala challenging Ogier for the lead.

[OnlyRally]

Terrible for Tanak, it's unfortunate the sport is so unfair sometimes. He was running a risky low setup all weekend though, so it must have eventually bitten back.

On the bright side, the championship is still far from over, and Latvala now has the greatest chance of victory he's had all year. Especially for Tanak, he should push for the win.

(Also, it's horribly unfair to Toyota to belittle them for being a village team when they're leading the manufacturer's championship).

Tänak’s chanses for the title now are just theoretical, better that Ogier wins this rally to make sure Neuville doesn’t get the title.

And i agree with others that Toyota is a village team, the car is a joke, if u have to ride i that low to go fast. Same issue third time, and the turbo in mexico. This car will never be reliable as the Polo was.

[Franky]

Village team of nobodies... 3 years and nothing changed... only some finish pockets got bigger...

Judging by your posts, you must really root for Toyota.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

but they are a village team...third time this season Tänak has to retire with the same problem and also the engine overheating in Mexico which they also couldnt solve with a year time!!!!




Sorry but its also the same car that allowed him to win the last three rallies.

Shit happens.

[OnlyRally]

Sorry but its also the same car that allowed him to win the last three rallies.

Shit happens.

Too many times this year

[jparker]

Too many times this year
Yes, but that makes their achievements even more impressive.

[KKS]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Do1giFiX4AEjWhK.jpg

[Lead]

What happened to Mikkelsen? He was soooo slow yesterday and today suddenly fastest stage times?

[dimviii]

photo of the front bumper of Tanak
https://twitter.com/Karlip1/status/1048600491939319808

[KKS]

Latvala PUSHING!

[Lead]

Latvala PUSHING!

I hope that ends well....

[itix]

So disappointing.
It's ironic that the car survived all of turkey but breaks down in a smooth rally like this.

Residual damage from Thursday maybe? (provided that it IS indeed the radiator).

[Eric]

What happened to Mikkelsen? He was soooo slow yesterday and today suddenly fastest stage times?

It was only the morning loop where he was slow. The setup wasnt the way he wanted. On the aftenoon loop he was pretty much on pace with drivers around him.
Today he has actually been the fastest driver..

[KKS]

Crazy rush from Latvala! WELLDONE!

[EstWRC]

Cmon Jari go for the win and help Ott a little bit!

[Tauri_J]

So disappointing.
It's ironic that the car survived all of turkey but breaks down in a smooth rally like this.

Residual damage from Thursday maybe? (provided that it IS indeed the radiator).

all cooling system was changed

[KKS]

So disappointing.
It's ironic that the car survived all of turkey but breaks down in a smooth rally like this.

Residual damage from Thursday maybe? (provided that it IS indeed the radiator).
You didn't see what happen so to early to make a judgments

[focus206]

Nice stage by Latvala, but if he wants to win he'll probably have to push like hell for all remaining stages...

[dimviii]

can you stop with the calculations ??? its GB... yesterday you had Tanak leading...

plus the hyundais are going to allow neuville to pass...

Now Ostberg is 8 sec from Mikkelsen and 11,2 sec from Paddon.
Will they also sacrifice manufacture points for Neuville?
Lets see what will happen

[Sulland]

Will the top two start to think starting position for sunday, or flat out on SS18?

[N.O.T]

That useless team ows tanak to let Latvala push... Ogier will not take risks because 0 points means a lot to him... latvala has nothing to lose...

Let them fight !!!!

worthless village nobodies....

[Tauri_J]

Will the top two start to think starting position for sunday, or flat out on SS18?
wat

[itix]

all cooling system was changedYes, but could still be something bent that was rubbing on the radiator. Stress fractures on some other component that suddenly created a large load on the radiator etc.

[N.O.T]

Now Ostberg is 8 sec from Mikkelsen and 11,2 sec from Paddon.
Will they also sacrifice manufacture points for Neuville?
Lets see what will happen

yes they will... neuville has better chances winning the title than the team, plus it matters more in the overal image... can you name the manufacturer titles throughout the years ??? i am sure you can name every driver....

[Tarmop]

On the plus side, Wilson could be getting a top 3 driver for 2020 again...like he already said last year, one day they will reunite. :D

[jonkka]

Now Ostberg is 8 sec from Mikkelsen and 11,2 sec from Paddon.
Will they also sacrifice manufacture points for Neuville?

Since they all are adjacent to each other, their internal position changes won't affect Hyundai's point haul.

[Mirek]

I feel really sorry for Tänak but calling championship-leading Toyota a village team is seriously retarded trolling.

[dimviii]

yes they will... neuville has better chances winning the title than the team, plus it matters more in the overal image... can you name the manufacturer titles throughout the years ??? i am sure you can name every driver....

agree but we dont know what Nandan needs. for Korean heads at Hyundai.

[steve.mandzij]

Nice stage by Latvala, but if he wants to win he'll probably have to push like hell for all remaining stages...I'm glad to see he's still got the pace locked up in there somewhere :D

[mufcAleksi]

Did Paddon make a false start to let Neuville pass?

[dimviii]

Since they all are adjacent to each other, their internal position changes won't affect Hyundai's point haul.
i didnt mean to just change positions between them,but to pass Ostberg for more manufacture points.
If they attack to pass Ostberg,how they will change positions with ''slow'' Neuville?

[Tauri_J]

Since they all are adjacent to each other, their internal position changes won't affect Hyundai's point haul.

he probably meant Paddon/Mikkelsen passing Ostberg and gaining manufacturer points that way

[Tarmop]

I feel really sorry for Tänak but calling championship-leading Toyota a village team is seriously retarded trolling.

Well, TMG would probably have sorted that issue, which has now cost the team 5 results. Especially with that kind of a budget.

[jonkka]

i didnt mean to just change positions between them,but to pass Ostberg for more manufacture points.

I thought so - if that should happen, then your question stands and I don't think Hyundai would lose points to favour Thierry.

[dimviii]

Latvala at Dyfi
https://twitter.com/FakeHinkelstein/status/1048604732925861890

[EstWRC]

without the mistake latvala could have led, damn

[KKS]

All OK Jari-Matti. It's all Sunday to come...

[jparker]

I thought so - if that should happen, then your question stands and I don't think Hyundai would lose points to favour Thierry.
And that's the way it should be. If TN wants the title, he better push for it.

[Tarmop]

Tänak’s chanses for the title now are just theoretical, better that Ogier wins this rally to make sure Neuville doesn’t get the title.

And i agree with others that Toyota is a village team, the car is a joke, if u have to ride i that low to go fast. Same issue third time, and the turbo in mexico. This car will never be reliable as the Polo was.

This talk has been going on since the beginning of the season. Not that much behind and 60(5) points on the table for him.

[N.O.T]

And that's the way it should be. If TN wants the title, he better push for it.

M-sport did it for Ogier 3 times already... They will do it for Neuville.... when was the last time a driver lost points in favour of the team ? i can only remember Loeb back in 2003 but again it was a long shot for the drivers title back then.

[N.O.T]

Come on latvala you dog !!!!!! Do something useful in your driving life for once !!!!!

[Rallyper]

I think Latvala will do it!!

[bomber21]

It will be a huge boost to Latvala’s sensitive personality if he manages to win tomorrow! Come on Jari Matti, this is your chance! I do not want Ogier to win another championship in a row, this destroys the sport.

[EstWRC]

nobody has won anything yet, still 2 rallies to go

[N.O.T]

It will be a huge boost to Latvala’s sensitive personality if he manages to win tomorrow! Come on Jari Matti, this is your chance! I do not want Ogier to win another championship in a row, this destroys the sport.

the sport needs the best to win... if ogier takes it then so be it.

[dimviii]

nobody has won anything yet, still 2 rallies to go

at this point i want to offer you 2 beers.
https://www.petrolheads.gr/images/smilies/smooth/drinks.gifhttps://www.petrolheads.gr/images/smilies/smooth/empathy.gif

[tomhlord]

but they are a village team...

Come on now, I used to hold you in higher esteem than that. Disappointing.

[tomhlord]

You didn't see what happen so to early to make a judgments

Also, a very good point.

[Mirek]

Well, TMG would probably have sorted that issue, which has now cost the team 5 results. Especially with that kind of a budget.

That changes nothing on what I have said.

[eib1]

https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/43213638_1830956430336751_2010538469738151936_n.jp g?_nc_cat=102&oh=8cd085ff26182c1be593827a77391e2f&oe=5C5ED29A

[Tarmop]

That changes nothing on what I have said.

Except that they have the biggest budget, are earning 8 mil. per year profit, but giving back "proto" quality cars- exceptionally fast, with faults oftenly kicking out and ruining everything. What makes it worse, same faults at the worst possibe time.

[itix]

I feel really sorry for Tänak but calling championship-leading Toyota a village team is seriously retarded trolling.Mirek speaks wisdom as usual

[Mirek]

Except that they have the biggest budget, are earning 8 mil. per year profit, but giving back "proto" quality cars- exceptionally fast, with faults oftenly kicking out and ruining everything. What makes it worse, same faults at the worst possibe time.

You seem to have serious comprehension problem.

[HaCo]

I feel really sorry for Tänak but calling championship-leading Toyota a village team is seriously retarded trolling.

I agree completely! With a bit less bad luck, they could have won the championship easily. If they are so bad, the rest is...

[N.O.T]

I agree completely! With a bit less bad luck, they could have won the championship easily. If they are so bad, the rest is...

Tanak carries them... look at the points... how many points did they lose to mechanical these 3 years ? how many points did other teams lost ?

they are nothing !!!

[dimviii]

michelin video day 2
https://youtu.be/ehtugs1rbTU

[mknight]

michelin video day 2
https://youtu.be/ehtugs1rbTU

The watersplash where Ogier is cutting over the concrete side at 0:22 is just before the spot where Tanak stopped. (the vid is from first pass btw.) Could be where the damage is from.

EDIT: nvm it was a different place. Just showed it on alllive, it's a hole that he hit under braking.

[Ucci]

how many points did they lose to mechanical these 3 years ?

Correct me, but Toyota is second year in WRC with Yaris...somebody should check the calendar....

[KKS]

Tanak carries them... look at the points... how many points did they lose to mechanical these 3 years ? how many points did other teams lost ?

they are nothing !!!
which 3 years?

[KKS]

The watersplash where Ogier is cutting over the concrete side at 0:22 is just before the spot where Tanak stopped. (the vid is from first pass btw.) Could be where the damage is from.
no Tanak stopped further. He jumped from junction where RBR version of stage turn left - and land hard.

[Ucci]

Gutted for Tanak!

Of course I do not wish reteirment to anybody, especially for technical reasons, but we all should be fer and say, that Tanak was the only one, who had his share of luck in Turkey....all others were efected. So, once is this period over. But, rally is far from over, Ogier is in the last time also prone to mistakes, so nothing is decided yet.

[mknight]

The on board is on allive (the evening "media zone" section). Tbh like Sardinia, it's not like it was completely out of his control.

[bugwrx]

Of course I do not wish reteirment to anybody, especially for technical reasons, but we all should be fer and say, that Tanak was the only one, who had his share of luck in Turkey....all others were efected. So, once is this period over. But, rally is far from over, Ogier is in the last time also prone to mistakes, so nothing is decided yet.

Tanak has not done a single mistake this season that cost him a rally, he deserves more.

[focus206]

Looking forward to see if Latvala can annoy Ogier tomorrow. He needs to be perfect to win, though.
Tanak will go flat out for the PS which I hope he'll win, even if just for a handful of points.
Paddon will let Neuville pass probably, what if Mikkelsen passes Ostberg? Will he drop behind Ostberg again to drop behind Neuville as well?

[itix]

Tanak has not done a single mistake this season that cost him a rally, he deserves more.Neither did Latvala last year...
And if you think about it, Neuville did very few mistakes last year that should have cost him the rally.

All these what ifs won't change a thing. It is what it is.

[itix]

Also I'm fairly sure both Toyota crews are under orders to try to get ahead of Ogier tomorrow to minimize his points chances and maximize Otts.

[EstWRC]

Come on now, I used to hold you in higher esteem than that. Disappointing.

well, sorry to disappoint you but i was very pissed off at that moment.

but still, i cant understand how they cant sort out some of their issues, for example the stalling with handbrake which also happens very often.

[EstWRC]

this really caused it? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXZTqGxhlWg


thats not even a hard hit

[Mirek]

well, sorry to disappoint you but i was very pissed off at that moment.

but still, i cant understand how they cant sort out some of their issues, for example the stalling with handbrake which also happens very often.

It seems to me that Toyota generally took more risky approach. You win something on speed and You loose something on reliability. How can we judge if that astrategy works or not other than by results? In this moment they are leading the manufacturer championship and even though they might not win the driver's title we simply can not say that their strategy has been failing.

[focus206]

Also I'm fairly sure both Toyota crews are under orders to try to get ahead of Ogier tomorrow to minimize his points chances and maximize Otts.

I don't think Lappi can do much this time. They might tell him to bring it home to get some manufacturer points at least.

[EstWRC]

Tänaks first words for estonian media: "The sump guard came off and broke the radiator, what can i say, thats life. The game still isnt over yet but at this moment when you have made all the hard work it is so hard. Of course i will still try but if you look what points were taken away from us then it is painful. The power stage is on the first pass tomorrow and we will be last ones so it will be hard but i will go for maximum"

[KKS]

Lappi joking about Breen fire at Turkey https://www.facebook.com/wrc.driver.5/videos/1406627956139553/ ))))

[Allez Andruet]

this really caused it? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXZTqGxhlWg


Unbelievable if that caused it.

[KKS]

https://twitter.com/JariMattiWRC/status/1048668793621372929

[stefanvv]

Unbelievable if that caused it.

I heard Porter mentioning a hard impact at the end of previous stage which seem to have caused initial damage (watched the onboard, indeed it was hard over a compression). The above just made it terminal.

[KKS]

Unbelievable if that caused it.
Same as in Sardegna, jump and land on rock or something hard.

[KKS]

I heard Porter mentioning a hard impact at the end of previous stage which seem to have caused initial damage (watched the onboard, indeed it was hard over a compression). The above just made it terminal.
If that prev. stage damaged was critical - he even couldn't reach a stage start. And now from video it's clear. Jump → hard landing → lost a speed and power → parked after 100m.

[stefanvv]

If that prev. stage damaged was critical - he even couldn't reach a stage start. And now from video it's clear. Jump → hard landing → lost a speed and power → parked after 100m.

You don't understand. In Sweet Lamb (already broken) part of the bumper drilled a hole in the radiator.

[EstWRC]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Do2nfDOU0AApxin.jpg

[focus206]

Guess Neuville didn't care about opening the road on Sunday, nothing to gain from where he is... well, except PS points.

[SubaruNorway]

Read in an interview with Mikkelsen that they think it will polish tomorrow also, i thought those stages would have dried up today

[dimviii]

Passats de canto video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5aAKyv2RwM

[dimviii]

"I arrived a little too fast, I undersigned ... I pulled the handbrake, and the rear landed in the ditch, said Thierry Neuville at the microphone of Olivier Gaspard, RTBF's special correspondent in Wales, I was posed, I skated, I could not move on, I did not think about the championship, I just hoped there were enough spectators push the car so we can start again as soon as possible! "Finally, it did not take long: after forty seconds, we were gone.

The only point "positive" for the leader of the World Championship this Saturday is the abandonment of his rival Ott Tanak, who flew over the rally before being betrayed by his mechanics (broken radiator).

"It's the same scenario we experienced in Turkey: in the lead on the second day, and an abandonment on mechanical concerns, it's part of the race, the rally."

Never in the rhythm of the best, however, Thierry Neuville will have to try to move up the rankings and score points in the Power Stage Sunday, his other opponent in the race for the title, Sebastien Ogier, having risen from fifth to first position .

"In front, now there is a big fight with four cars in less than fifteen seconds, I think the situation will still evolve, said the Hyundai driver.My teammates, right in front of me, will probably agree to help me a little bit! Sunday, it's not too bad to go in the first positions, although it's never easy to know in advance what exactly will be. I'll be the first to take the road, we'll see! We'll give everything in the Power Stage, we have no choice.We have never really been in the rhythm of the best this weekend, so it will be difficult to get the five points, but a few, it's possible. "
https://www.rtbf.be/sport/moteurs/rallye/wrc/detail_tanak-le-coup-de-main-de-ses-coequipiers-le-fosse-neuville-fait-le-point-sur-une-journee-folle?id=10038604

[danon]

Perhaps this shakedown off has something to do with the later damage of Tanak's car... https://youtu.be/THtyWLpWV04?list=PLVyRAt2cxbxsiLWIlox15AAw6fIN8yU6 E

[EstWRC]

How come? They changed the parts after that.


Our mechanics and engineers did exellent job this evening and we are happy to tell you, that the car of @OttTanak and Martin Järveoja #8 is ready to hit the roads - so it is Rally 2 tomorrow

https://twitter.com/tgr_wrc/status/1048706655448432641?s=21

[steve.mandzij]

https://twitter.com/JariMattiWRC/status/1048668793621372929He really does overthink things!

[AnttiL]

Citroën/Tanak/Neuville/Mikkelsen: 5 MICHELIN LTX Force S6
Lappi: 5M6
Latvala/Ogier/Evans: 2S6 +3M6
Paddon: 4S6 +1M6

[KKS]

How come? They changed the parts after that.


Our mechanics and engineers did exellent job this evening and we are happy to tell you, that the car of @OttTanak and Martin Järveoja #8 is ready to hit the roads - so it is Rally 2 tomorrow

https://twitter.com/tgr_wrc/status/1048706655448432641?s=21
yep. And if that problem yesterday caused by that off at shakedown - he never survive 1.5 days and 200+ km of special stages and problem didn't come of. If it's shakedown damage it will pop-up at Friday morning stages. And it's unlikely that in 4 services they didn't spot problem with a radiator.

[KKS]

Citroën/Tanak/Neuville/Mikkelsen: 5 MICHELIN LTX Force S6
Lappi: 5M6
Latvala/Ogier/Evans: 2S6 +3M6
Paddon: 4S6 +1M6
Lappi play a long game?

[mknight]

There is a tire fitting zone after 3nd stage (PS). But for Great Orme mediums could be better.

[KKS]

There is a tire fitting zone after 3nd stage (PS). But for Great Orme mediums could be better.
in this case not clear why he did full medium. Orme so short stage

[EstWRC]

whats going on with Lappi with this weekend? He seems to be pissed off all the time and look at this video beneath, little bit cocky not that laid back, great humour Lappi https://www.facebook.com/wrc.driver.5/videos/1406627956139553/

[deephouse]

whats going on with Lappi with this weekend? He seems to be pissed off all the time and look at this video beneath, little bit cocky not that laid back, great humour Lappi https://www.facebook.com/wrc.driver.5/videos/1406627956139553/

Indicator that he give up fighting already this year and going out of Toyota?

[the sniper]

I'm in Gwydyr. The road is damp but no puddles. Sky is beautiful!

[mknight]

Indicator that he give up fighting already this year and going out of Toyota?

I'd say so too. Similar to lackluster Tanak in GB and Australia last year.

[EstWRC]

Lappi going for it, fastest in split 1 by some time

[GravelBen]

in this case not clear why he did full medium. Orme so short stage

Possible he used up too many softs yesterday? Not sure how many they have for the rally.

[KKS]

Latvala & Lappi splits - amazing! BATTLE!

[EstWRC]

Ogier 2.6 secs slower then Latvala in split 1

E: and Latvala virtually in the lead now

E: but Ogier takes back in the end and keeps his lead by 1.7 seconds

[KKS]

Latvala went wide. He was on Lappi pace and finish +1.6 behind.
But still ssoooo close 1.7sec to go

[mknight]

Didn't look like first on the road was advantage here. Can change for PS.

[EstWRC]

man the power stage will be interesting now...Tänak wants 5 points, Neuville wants 5 points, Latvala and Lappi wanting a win so they will also go flatout and may steal the 5 points from Ott or Neuville.

cant wait

[KKS]

First time we have 2min gaps for PowerStage so things will go quickly. No any an advantage for laterunners when they know time to beat.

[dimviii]

Good morning guys!
cant remember any other powerstage,with so many crews to want these 5 points.
Let the dogfight beginhttps://www.petrolheads.gr/images/smilies/smooth/yahoo.gif

[EstWRC]

And off we gooooooooooo

[dimviii]

And off we gooooooooooo

this time they dont run the power stage as 2nd time to correct the pace notes.Lets see if we have any drama.

[EstWRC]

Paddon second faster than Thierry in spl1, lol

[mknight]

Just look at Neuville, he is sliding off in every other corner.

[KKS]

Mikkelsen didn't have left any rubber on front tyres

[T16]

Mikkelsen nearly off the road in front of us in Gwydir.

[EstWRC]

paddon -0.6 in spl2

[deephouse]

Is Mikkelsen ruining the road on purpose?

[KKS]

All Hyundais have luck of grip... strange

[EstWRC]

and now Paddon rested his foot, +2.9 in spl3

[KKS]

tyres are gone completely for Mikkelsen

[EstWRC]

shit, the stage goes very slippery after split1, everybody losing a lot after that

[KKS]

Mads drop a place on splits

[deephouse]

5th Place reachable for Neuville.

[EstWRC]

5th place for Neuville it seems yes

3 beers for the driver who beats Neuvilles time here

[deephouse]

EDIT: 4th reachable for Neuville

[T16]

Ogier very neat and tidy. Actually looked slow, so it will be interesting to see his time.

[KKS]

Wild Citroen rear axle remind herself again. Breen spun

[EstWRC]

Latvala really going for it!!!

[Lead]

Latvala on massive push

[EstWRC]

yessssss Jariiiiiiiii

[dimviii]

Tanak even faster

[Lead]

So next season Rally 2 drivers will start ahead of the all other drivers for day2 and day3?

[jonkka]

So next season Rally 2 drivers will start ahead of the all other drivers for day2 and day3?

Huh?

[EstWRC]

Yesssss at least Tänak in front of Ogier and Neuville


Nice words from Ott

[KKS]

Fcikng hell. I'm not been so nervous since Loeb era .... oh man... what a stage

[Allez Andruet]

Jauhot suuhun!

[AL14]

Lol Tanak crazy drive.

[dimviii]

as NOT requested,virtual points after ss 20

Neuville 177 + 4 + 2 = 183

Ogier : 154 + 18 + 3 = 175

Tänak : 164 +4 = 168

[EstWRC]

as NOT requested,virtual points after ss 20

Neuville 177 + 4 + 2 = 183

Ogier : 154 + 18 + 3 = 175

Tänak : 164 +4 = 168

Neuville will probably get 6th at the end of the day, so it may be

Neuville 187
Ogier 175
Tänak 168

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Incredible PS by Latvala on tricky conditions.

He doesnt have Title pressure but he really wants to win again.

[KKS]

Neuville will probably get 6th at the end of the day, so it may be

Neuville 187
Ogier 175
Tänak 168
And maximum what driver can gain by himself its 7+1=8pts. 16pts for 2 rallys. So Tanak need still to hope for some not good rallys from Nueville and Ogier :/

[Tarmop]

Huh?

Yes, they will.

[EstWRC]

Ott Tänak
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@OttTanak

"It is very hard. I want none of my opponents to feel how I felt yesterday, it was the worst I've ever felt."

[jonkka]

Yes, they will.

Source? They just reversed that two years ago...

[mknight]

FIA said it month or two ago.

I think it's correct. Originally it was to make sure that there are cars to watch on saturday/sunday, but these days it's usually not a problem + you have people going for PS.
Right now on cleaning gravel rallies you can have those that cleaned on Friday and loose time due to that then have to clean again on Saturday and Sunday.

[Rallyper]

I think Latvala will do it!!

He´s on his way... What a PS for JML!!

[jonkka]

Damn, I am getting old and/or demented. Yes, I've already saved that rule change to database but didn't remember it myself. Ashamed...

[GravelBen]

What a stage from Latvala, he is on it today!

[dimviii]

Ott Tänak
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@OttTanak

"It is very hard. I want none of my opponents to feel how I felt yesterday, it was the worst I've ever felt."

they have feel it plenty of times.
Neuville was leading at Turkey,suspension collapsed,and while he had 36 points gap from Tanak went to 13 points

[Päss1928]

they have feel it plenty of times.
Neuville was leading at Turkey,suspension collapsed,and while he had 36 points gap from Tanak went to 13 points

What are you on mate? In Neuvilles case his title chances dropped from very good to still good (didn't even lose the lead). In Tänaks case they went from promising to non existant, feels even worse coming off his momentum after those 3 wins.

[mknight]

What are you on mate? In Neuvilles case his title chances dropped from very good to still good (didn't even lose the lead). In Tänaks case they went from promising to non existant, feels even worse coming off his momentum after those 3 wins.

Non-existent? You must be on something...

Neuville also had similar situation last year in both Germany and Spain (twice actually in Spain (friday engine issue and then sunday suspension).

So while indeed terrible for Tanak similar situations do happen quite a lot and very hard to beat Sainz issue on that.

[EstWRC]

of course they all have felt it, Latvala last year too

i just thought it was nice thing he said and he meant the future not past.

[itix]

Non-existent? You must be on something...

Neuville also had similar situation last year in both Germany and Spain (twice actually in Spain (friday engine issue and then sunday suspension).

So while indeed terrible for Tanak similar situations do happen quite a lot.This is exactly what I was thinking.

Last year it was Hyundai and the suspension issues, this year it is Toyota and sump guards.

Likely it is down to homologation regulations and that's why they can't immediately rectify the situation.

[Tarmop]

It would be non-existant, when there would be a gap bigger than 30 points, but it isn`t...and there are still two rallies ahead.

[dimviii]

What are you on mate? In Neuvilles case his title chances dropped from very good to still good (didn't even lose the lead). In Tänaks case they went from promising to non existant, feels even worse coming off his momentum after those 3 wins.

no its not good while you have 36 points gap,and while you lead at Turkey=to extend more this gap,to be unlucky and the gap goes to 13 points ,and to have to open the road at Spain and Australia.
from 36 points + leading Turkey=some theoritically 45-50 points,to narrow the gap so much that 2 drivers came into the play for the championship.

[dimviii]

SUN 08:53 - SS20: TIDEMAND
Potential rear suspension damage for Tidemand's Fabia. He's got right-rear damage and it looks like he's crabbing towards the flying finish. He's 12.2sec down on Rovanperä. What does he tell Molly? "A small hit right-rear, we have some spare suspension arms so lets see if we can change."

[dimviii]

Neuville passed Paddon

[EstWRC]

and we have a tarmac rally all of a sudden :D

[mknight]

There totally is potential for a massive crash on this stage.

[GravelBen]

There totally is potential for a massive crash on this stage.

Mikkelsen tried, but there was a bale in the way.

[EstWRC]

really beautiful seaside helicopter shot! love it

E:this tarmac stage should have been power stage!

[jonkka]

Now let's see if Ogier responds...

[EstWRC]

and he does, second faster in spl1

[dimviii]

https://twitter.com/OfficialWRC/status/1048855169117696000

[KKS]

wow -2.9 on 2nd split from Ogier

[EstWRC]

what a battle!

[jonkka]

Just 0,2s at the end... wow...

[krissucool]

Come on Jari!

[Eli]

Wow, what a time by Ogier, what a fantastic battle.

[Rallyper]

Organizers shouldn´t choose stages to gain their tourism. Especially not tarmac ones on a gravel event.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Great time Ogier... game on !

[KKS]

And what a story of this coastline road? It start and finish at one place and does not lead anywhere. Why people build it?

[EstWRC]

some problems for Tänak again, with the engine

[KKS]

some problems for Tänak again, with the engine
throttle have only 0% and 100% positions

[RS]

And what a story of this coastline road? It start and finish at one place and does not lead anywhere. Why people build it?

To see the coast?

[SubaruNorway]

Tricky stage since they set all this up over night so they just did the recce on roadbook

[KKS]

To see the coast?
Very expensive pleasure

[RS]

Very expensive pleasure

Probably built in the olden days when it didn't cost £3million to lay 50 yards of tarmac.

[Mirek]

Organizers shouldn´t choose stages to gain their tourism. Especially not tarmac ones on a gravel event.

Why not? It's only 8 km long stage after all. There's likely more overall asphalt distance on some other gravel events than that.

[SubaruNorway]

Probably built in the olden days when it didn't cost £3million to lay 50 yards of tarmac.

Finished in 1878 it seems and one of Uk's longest toll roads at only 6.4km, lucky bastards!

[Rallyper]

Why not? It's only 8 km long stage after all. There's likely more overall asphalt distance on some other gravel events than that.

Why not? Bcs gravelrallies should be on gravel and vice versa. At least not tarmac on the day everything shall be decided.

And to connect two gravelroads it´s ok to have a few hundred meters of gravel, but this one´s only for PR.

[mknight]

Funny similarity:

In Turkey the 4th fastest driver won when all 3 ahead hit trouble, out of these only Ogiers' off was clear driver error
Here Latvala as 4th fastest driver (over 3 days) is fighting for win, again only one of these (Neuville) lost due to clear driver error

[KKS]

Finished in 1878 it seems and one of Uk's longest toll roads at only 6.4km, lucky bastards!
Seems like old style pay attraction

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Some info on the Great Orme road:

It leads to Llandudno from the other side of the Orme, its not a loop.

It's been there for decades.

It has been used as a rally stage many; many times on local events and RAC Rally.

I think if you are going to have spectator stages then make them beautiful to watch and a challenge to the drivers. This is both and so much better than that terrible Tir Prince.

[Integrale]

Probably built in the olden days when it didn't cost £3million to lay 50 yards of tarmac.

Haha, I don't know what you're getting at, but it costs more now to produce something because of inflation.

[KKS]

hahah Tommi.

Porter: Kris Meeke was spotted at Manchester airport. Why he visited that area?
Tommi: People moving and travelling ))))

[RS]

Haha, I don't know what you're getting at, but it costs more now to produce something because of inflation.

I'm aware of the concept of inflation but here in the UK at least any kind of road or construction project seems to cost a ridiculous amount of money these days. Our local council were charging disabled people about £2000 to paint a parking bay on the road for example (sorry for off-topic guys!)

[mknight]

I'm aware of the concept of inflation but here in the UK at least any kind of road or construction project seems to cost a ridiculous amount of money these days. Our local council were charging disabled people about £2000 to paint a parking bay on the road for example (sorry for off-topic guys!)

Labor cost relative to other things have increased like crazy in the richest European countries.

[KKS]

5+min into a stage and that two still talking #WRCLive ((((

[dimviii]

gap to 0,2 sec
before some years at Jordan,Ogier won against Latvala at final stage for 0,2 sec

[EstWRC]

Ostberg with a mistake and Neuville up to 5th

[KKS]

Ostberg have a bad split and Neuville pass Mikelsen

[EstWRC]

cmon breen give the 4th also to neuville

[krissucool]

Go fuck off Mads.

[EstWRC]

wow Mads really angry


no need for such words krissu

[deephouse]

Wow... WHat a rally

[krissucool]

Cmon Breen just give it to Thierry like they all do without any fight. Every fking rally.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Mads blew it at the worst time.

[EstWRC]

not a fastest split for Latvala

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Breen slow too ! Neuville still too far back to get 4th.

[dimviii]

Michelin Motorsport

#Tyre info for the 2 final stages

Breen/Mikkelsen: 5 MICHELIN LTX Force S6
Lappi/Ogier/Evans: 5M6
Ostberg: 3S6 + 2M6
Latvala/Tanak: 1S6 + 4M6
Neuville/Paddon: 2S6 +3M6

[krissucool]

Breen slow too ! Neuville still too far back to get 4th.

No he is not. Breen will bottle it. Just wait and see.

[deephouse]

Never say never. The real battle is between Latvala and Ogier and if something happens... Let's hope not to Latvala

[Fast Eddie WRC]

No he is not. Breen will bottle it. Just wait and see.

8.2s is a lot.

[N.O.T]

Go fuck off Mads.

relax kid...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Latvala is faster.

[jonkka]

Splits are lagging - no final split for JML yet but final already.

[mknight]

Ogier faster on 2nd splits, its on maps in split1 section.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Yes Seb is faster !!

[EstWRC]

and the win is gone for latvala

[Fast Eddie WRC]

WOW Ogier !!

[EstWRC]

Ogier showing why he is a 5 time champion

[Rallyper]

The Master has talked!! Hat off. JML did what he could.

[deephouse]

Guys it's not over yet? he show that too in the past, I think that in spain...

[dimviii]

SUN 10:58 - SS22: LATVALA
Latvala is 1.7sec up on Neuville at the final split and across the line he drops the time down by 2.0sec. Fastest time for him. "If he has two softs he can be faster, but if he has mediums then I raise my hat to him if he goes faster."


Ogier had 5 mediums.

[krissucool]

Hats off to Ogier. So many bottlers in the field but Ogier is a real champ. Congrats.

[BigWorm]

I reckon Seb's got it, but it will be very interesting. Clawing back 16 points from Neuville will be huge.

[Eli]

What an absolute champ. really, hats off.

[KKS]

fckit (

[mknight]

SUN 10:58 - SS22: LATVALA
Latvala is 1.7sec up on Neuville at the final split and across the line he drops the time down by 2.0sec. Fastest time for him. "If he has two softs he can be faster, but if he has mediums then I raise my hat to him if he goes faster."


Ogier had 5 mediums.

Thing is, just about everyone has run out of "new" softs by now. So all those on soft use less or more worn ones. If Ogier has brand new mediums the thread is surely much better.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Guys it's not over yet? he show that too in the past, I think that in spain...

You want it decided by a crash ? You are not a rally fan.

[N.O.T]

so what the points are if they finish like this calculator boys ? and no beers for you because you got in my nerves with the useless calculations for 2 days...

[BigWorm]

so what the points are if they finish like this calculator boys ?

Neuville 189, Ogier 182, Tänak 168

[focus206]

Shame for Latvala, but Ogier was just too fast, nice pace from him.

[dimviii]

so what the points are if they finish like this calculator boys ? and no beers for you because you got in my nerves with the useless calculations for 2 days...





Neuville 177 + 10 + 2 = 189

Ogier : 154 + 25 + 3 = 182

Tänak : 164 + 4 = 168

[EstWRC]

so what the points are if they finish like this calculator boys ?

Neuville 189
Ogier 182
Tänak 168


Evene if Ott wins the last 2 rallies he needs Ogier and Neuville at least to have 4th or lower result on one rally, really hard situation for him

[krissucool]

You want it decided by a crash ? You are not a rally fan.

Well it was already decided by a mechanical failure...
But still, hats of to Ogier. He had the best speed and car reliability combination this week. Just like Ott did in Turkey.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Latvala also needed points for Toyota so cant really risk all for the win.

[Päss1928]

Shame for Latvala
I hope he won't bin it in the last stage now, because he can't win anymore, Ogier is way faster on tarmac. Just accept you got beaten and take your 2nd place please.

[deephouse]

You want it decided by a crash ? You are not a rally fan.

And you define who is what. You must be god around here

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Well it was already decided by a mechanical failure...
But still, hats of to Ogier. He had the best speed and car reliability combination this week. Just like Ott did in Turkey.

I meant Ogier in Spain like was referenced.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

And you define who is what. You must be god around here

I want a fair result based on speed.

[dimviii]

Guys watch how deep Tanaks sumpguard went. lol
https://twitter.com/IRDC_/status/1048851741511438336

[jonkka]

I want a fair result based on speed.

As long as it's M-Sport driver that's fastest, eh?

[KKS]

guys watch how deep tanaks sumpguard went. Lol
https://twitter.com/irdc_/status/1048851741511438336
just wow!

[dimviii]

manufacture points
Toyota: 284 + 18 + 15 = 317

Hyundai: 279 + 10 +8 = 297

[jparker]

Why the champ lost the PS? I don't ware hat, so .....

[spiderem]

toyota have 1 hand on the trophy already in my opinion.

[GravelBen]

You want it decided by a crash ? You are not a rally fan.

He never said he wanted it, just that its happened before and could happen again.

[GravelBen]

I want a fair result based on speed.

If someone crashes because they didn't judge the speed right, how is that not a fair result?

[EstWRC]

its been a year since there was a rally winner someone other besides Ogier, Neuville or Tänak.

Latvala you can still make history:D

[itix]

its been a year since there was a rally winner someone other besides Ogier, Neuville or Tänak.

Latvala you can still make history:DI'd be incredibly surprised if he manages... stranger things have happened though.

Ogier might be pushed to make a mistake. Latvala has shown speed on tarmac before so...

[jonkka]

Latvala you can still make history:D

If he continues next season, he'll make history. Not only will he become the driver with most WRC starts ever but also first to have 200 of those.

[EstWRC]

you can take out the IF from your sentence, he will definitely continue and make those records