Rally Italia Sardegna 2018

[dimviii]

stage winners so far

Tanak 31
Neuville 29
Ogier 19

44 stages wins for Toyota
41 stages for Hyundai
26 stages for Ford

[KKS]

Why? There is no need for penalty, he was in time...
I miss a line... it was about TC19A but looks all fine there

[EightGear]

Nice comeback dog. Now you can watch recap from start and then come back again when you will saw everything.Who are you again?

[Zeakiwi]

Why? There is no need for penalty, he was in time...

Because Tanak/ MJ gave 'outside physical assistance' to Ogier. Only the organisers probably could have done that within the rules.
Therefore Ogier's timecard incident is likely to result in some type of penalty, potentially disqualification - What is similar Makinen(dsq) getting help to change the tyre at the Safari from the locals? https://www.nation.co.ke/news/1056-403504-ks6wbtz/index.html

[PLuto]

Because Tanak gave 'outside assistance' to Ogier. Only the organisers probably could have done that within the rules.
Therefore Ogier's timecard incident is likely to result in some type of penalty, potentially disqualification - What is similar Makinen(dsq) getting help to change the tyre at the Safari from the locals?

But KKS was writing about LATE penalty, which is different. Ogier was in time in TC with his timecard. Of course, penalty from stewards should be s different story.

[PLuto]

Because Tanak/ MJ gave 'outside physical assistance' to Ogier. Only the organisers probably could have done that within the rules.
Therefore Ogier's timecard incident is likely to result in some type of penalty, potentially disqualification - What is similar Makinen(dsq) getting help to change the tyre at the Safari from the locals? https://www.nation.co.ke/news/1056-403504-ks6wbtz/index.html

And there is question, if bringing timecard by different crew is a problem against rules. I think that this is not completely clear according to regulations and it depends mainly on the stewards what they will want to find there...

[Mirek]

Because Tanak/ MJ gave 'outside physical assistance' to Ogier. Only the organisers probably could have done that within the rules.
Therefore Ogier's timecard incident is likely to result in some type of penalty, potentially disqualification - What is similar Makinen(dsq) getting help to change the tyre at the Safari from the locals? https://www.nation.co.ke/news/1056-403504-ks6wbtz/index.html

I don't think that this can be considered as an outside assistance. In my opinion this incident happened within a grey zone not clearly defined by the rules.

[Zeakiwi]

Is the Ogier incident like the Dakar Rally and like the Peterhansel saga. The French language rule interpretation will have to be checked against the English language rule translation ?

The WRC rule books and technical regulations s provided to the wrc teams are likely to be more detailed than the pdf wrc rules posted online?

[Rallyper]

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Also N.O.T. has feelings.

[KKS]

Also N.O.T. has feelings.
we need just check a login's IP, probably it's a UK IP and comment from a past

[Rallyper]

Now we wait a month and a half for the next one....

Who´s showing up in Finland?

[GravelBen]

What a drive by Neuville, great to see the rally go right to the wire.

At least if Ogier does get a penalty for the timecard it won't be the penalty that decides the winner.

[tommeke_B]

Who´s showing up in Finland?

I'll be coming to Finland.

[EstWRC]

Ill be there

[AL14]

Stunning drive by Neuville. Definitely the best of his rallys. This rally could be a turning point for the championship. Hope to see some more of these fights!

[ESTR]

stage winners so far

Tanak 31
Neuville 29
Ogier 19

44 stages wins for Toyota
41 stages for Hyundai
26 stages for Ford

I think that more importantly that these statistics are more important or that this is what counts at the end od the day.

1. Neuville 149 1. Hyundai 212
2. Ogier 122 2. M-Sport 184
3. Tanak 77 3. Toyota 161
4. Lappi 70 4. Citroen 129
5. Sordo 60

[ruesluporp]

And note... no moaning from Neuville about road position and he WIN! Completely different to current champion

You are deaf and blind ?

[Mirek]

Sorry if it was already posted but Tänak was late in TC after the last stage and got 40 seconds penalty for that. As a result he lost the 8th position overall to Kopecký.

Also Loubet retired after the last stage...

[EstWRC]

I understood it was because traffic? I’m not sure it will hold?

[PLuto]

I understood it was because traffic? I’m not sure it will hold

I think it will stay. There were some crews later in 20A, no penalties there. But Tanäk was late in 20B, which is regrouping out. If he was not delayed by scrutineers or marshalls, it was stupid mistake.

[Rally Power]

Epic fight and amazing win for Neuville; huge congrats to him, Gilsoul and Hyundai. Second part of the season is looking promising. WRC rocks!

Btw, where's the RX fellow that said the WRC was less exciting than watching paint dry?

[stefanvv]

Btw, where's the RX fellow that said the WRC was less exciting than watching paint dry?

He is watching the Monster team domination in the Monster sponsored series.

[tommeke_B]

Anyone who knows why Loubet retired after last stage?

[MartijnS]

What a rally! Friday from dust till mud, everything was there on the 4 stages we did. Yesterday we choose quality over quantity and went to 2 stages without rushing. Today on and around the beach was great too!

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Many more at our Facebook Page https://www.facebook.com/pg/rallymedia/photos/?tab=album&album_id=1727752653979363
Joost couldn't make it, so unfortunately no video this time.

[AnttiL]

Latvala made the same power stage mistake as last year?

What a thriller to the end. What a drive by Neuville, beating Ogier by straight driving without big mistakes or setbacks from Ogier, a big mental step for Neuville. Watching the Neuville onboard from Cala Flumini was probably the greatest All Live moment so far, such crazy driving and fighting for fractions of seconds at the front. I think it was remarkable how far Ogier and Neuville were from the rest. And in a sense, the same was noticable yesterday between Lappi-Latvala and Paddon-Østberg.

Also nice that Lappi got now two clean drives after a troubled start of the season, a podium well deserved. Good to see Latvala back on pace as well, it's still unclear whether the retirement was his own fault or not. Kind of same with Tänak.

Breen has had a really difficult season apart from Sweden where the front runners suffered from the loose snow, but it seems he also has a lot of technical difficulties which always put him in a bad road position, ruining the rest of the rally. Paddon was also quite tame compared to his best days, maybe he took it easy because of the Portugal injury?

[Sulland]

Why does it take the wrc.com team to update the site on points?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_World_Rally_Championship

[spiderem]

wow... what a rally. Neuville deserves a big congrats.
Is it the first time Ogier has been bitten fair and square and cannot blame anyone or anything?! other than his driving??
the summer will be a long wait...

[Mirek]

Why does it take the wrc.com team to update the site on points?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_World_Rally_Championship

The results are not yet official. Post-event scrutineering, possible protests etc.

[dimviii]

ss 18 & 20
https://youtu.be/GwWbrbCwGXo

[dimviii]

https://www.facebook.com/thierryneuvilleofficial/videos/2015465565161639/

[KKS]

No new details about Tanak penalty?

[itix]

Curious question... Does the time card actually have any meaning these days in world rallying where everything is digital or is it just tradition and paperwork?

[Tarmop]

No new details about Tanak penalty?

Normally time after PS to TC is 10 minutes, this time it was 3. Their mistake.

[PLuto]

Normally time after PS to TC is 10 minutes, this time it was 3. Their mistake.

It was regrouping. Depends which time they will obtain from timekeepers to go out.

[PLuto]

Curious question... Does the time card actually have any meaning these days in world rallying where everything is digital or is it just tradition and paperwork?

Yes, time card is very important document. Also in this digital era.

[rp]

Sick dog?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DfVvzUJXUAAuOoq.jpg

[PLuto]

Stewards decided to give to Ogier fine 10 000 euro and suspended removing the points in drivers and teams championship.

From my point of view, it is stupid decision.

[dimviii]

a photo from Tempestinis c3 r5
https://www.facebook.com/timoanisphotography/photos/a.1719898091423419.1073741926.171185022961408/1723380241075204/?type=3&theater

[KKS]

Ogier "timecard" decision http://rallyitaliasardegna.com/?ddownload=1764

[N.O.T]

Ogier "timecard" decision http://rallyitaliasardegna.com/?ddownload=1764

it should be exclusion... but since they lost they treated them lightly...

Italians....

[KKS]

a photo from Tempestinis c3 r5
https://www.facebook.com/timoanisphotography/photos/a.1719898091423419.1073741926.171185022961408/1723380241075204/?type=3&theater
Fortunately he is a Frenchman

[m-ast]

Ogier "timecard" decision http://rallyitaliasardegna.com/?ddownload=1764

There is one thing i don't understand clearly in this decision, if the time card was returned from Tanak at the next regroup, how did he entered the regroup without a time card?

[KKS]

There is one thing i don't understand clearly in this decision, if the time card was returned from Tanak at the next regroup, how did he entered the regroup without a time card?
There was a queue of cars to check in at TC19A which is regroup-in TC. And they waited their time

[KKS]

it should be exclusion... but since they lost they treated them lightly...

Italians....
I think JML will definitely "buy" full battery for 10k€ yesterday evening, it same article

[tommeke_B]

I think Julien Ingrassia will have to pay the drinks tonight. :D

[PLuto]

it should be exclusion... but since they lost they treated them lightly...

Italians....

No. I think this is not break of article 2.13. There should be no penalty, maximum of reprimand.

[PLuto]

There was a queue of cars to check in at TC19A which is regroup-in TC. And they waited their time

But in this case they are not in regrouping. Regrouping start in TC 19A, not before...

[Sulland]

The results are not yet official. Post-event scrutineering, possible protests etc.

Of course, but it is just to publish with reservation on any changes on stewards or scrutineering after chequered flag on PS.
Most logical place to check is at WRC.com, and not on Wikipedia.

[KKS]

But in this case they are not in regrouping. Regrouping start in TC 19A, not before...
yep, but they can't check in before Tanak was checked. So if no TC19A late penalty for Ogier - it was before in queue to check-in.

That's why I post about 1.12km and so little time (6min) between next TC. If Tanak arrive straight on time without any holding before - it's solid 3min late for Ogier

[pantealex]

Stewards decided to give to Ogier fine 10 000 euro and suspended removing the points in drivers and teams championship.

From my point of view, it is stupid decision.

Yes it´s stupid but right one. Time penalty would have been wrong. And no penalty also would have been wrong. Time card is so important paper, so if you lose it you must get penalty.

[PLuto]

yep, but they can't check in before Tanak was checked. So if no TC19A late penalty for Ogier - it was before in queue to check-in.

That's why I post about 1.12km and so little time (6min) between next TC. If Tanak arrive straight on time without any holding before - it's solid 3min late for Ogier

Yes, but now we are talking about that strange decision of stewards. They are writing there that time card was handed over in a regroup. Which is a lie. It was handed over before regroup, before time control...

[PLuto]

Yes it´s stupid but right one. Time penalty would have been wrong. And no penalty also would have been wrong. Time card is so important paper, so if you lose it you must get penalty.

I dont agree with last part of your sentece. When regulations talks about time card, they are writing about giving it in time control (start, stop). There is nothing what should be done meanwhile. Of course, if nobody brought that time card to them and Ogier should be in time control without time card, it is very simple - he cannot continue. But forgetting the card in previous TC and bringing it by another driver is different story.

[Rallyper]

Latvala made the same power stage mistake as last year?

What a thriller to the end. What a drive by Neuville, beating Ogier by straight driving without big mistakes or setbacks from Ogier, a big mental step for Neuville. Watching the Neuville onboard from Cala Flumini was probably the greatest All Live moment so far, such crazy driving and fighting for fractions of seconds at the front. I think it was remarkable how far Ogier and Neuville were from the rest. And in a sense, the same was noticable yesterday between Lappi-Latvala and Paddon-Østberg.

Also nice that Lappi got now two clean drives after a troubled start of the season, a podium well deserved. Good to see Latvala back on pace as well, it's still unclear whether the retirement was his own fault or not. Kind of same with Tänak.

Breen has had a really difficult season apart from Sweden where the front runners suffered from the loose snow, but it seems he also has a lot of technical difficulties which always put him in a bad road position, ruining the rest of the rally. Paddon was also quite tame compared to his best days, maybe he took it easy because of the Portugal injury?

I should say they were the only two motivated bringing maximum speed on that one. No other fights.

[ESTR]

Curious question... Does the time card actually have any meaning these days in world rallying where everything is digital or is it just tradition and paperwork?

Of course it is important, because the digital system doesn't work at all. At least there are correct times.

[KKS]

I dont agree with last part of your sentece. When regulations talks about time card, they are writing about giving it in time control (start, stop). There is nothing what should be done meanwhile. Of course, if nobody brought that time card to them and Ogier should be in time control without time card, it is very simple - he cannot continue. But forgetting the card in previous TC and bringing it by another driver is different story.
it's completely Ogier problems how return a timecard, but... somebody at stage-end TC told to Tanak to deliver Ogier time-card.
It will be clearly that Ogier by car or foot goes back and took time-card back. But it cause a some TC late penalty. But now it must be an exclusion

[Mirek]

You can't drive back to TC. That's not allowed.

[seb_sh]

Great rally, good fight even in the last day, that's something very rare.

About Ogier I don't think he should get a penalty, he didn't break any rules...

[Tarmop]

Don`t be stupid and advocate rallying on paper. We have an interetsing championship in our hands, all of them, especially no. 1 and 2. gave us a hell of a fight, wasteing lots of effort, money and risking their lives. 10k itself is quite absurd for something not even in the regulations and looks more like blackmailing, but it is what it is..

[PLuto]

Of course it is important, because the digital system doesn't work at all. At least there are correct times.

Not always correct times in time cards... But it is important document for the crew to know correctly time of last TC/start and liaison time to next TC.

Not everything hi-tech or digital is absolute win. And for example, we have few crews here in Czech who are not able to fill the entry form electronically and are still sending it hand-written by mail. Of course, usually older people...

[PLuto]

it's completely Ogier problems how return a timecard, but... somebody at stage-end TC told to Tanak to deliver Ogier time-card.
It will be clearly that Ogier by car or foot goes back and took time-card back. But it cause a some TC late penalty. But now it must be an exclusion

For me, exclusion only if Ogier dont present time card at TC 19A. But he was in time with time card on that time control. So from this point of view, no reason for exclusion.

[KKS]

For me, exclusion only if Ogier dont present time card at TC 19A. But he was in time with time card on that time control. So from this point of view, no reason for exclusion.
Plan A. It's not allowed to give any assistance, correct? If Tanak helps him - it's an exclusion
Plan B: drive back for own time-card. but

You can't drive back to TC. That's not allowed.
it's an exclusion

So car #1 can't be checked-in into TC19A. It's mean - retirement.

[PLuto]

Plan A. It's not allowed to give any assistance, correct? If Tanak helps him - it's an exclusion
Plan B: drive back for own time-card. but

it's an exclusion

So car #1 can't be checked-in into TC19A. It's mean - retirement.

I am not sure "it is not allowed to give any assistance". Check the regulations and tell me which article exactly was broken. He was penalised for breaking article 2.13, but I think nothing happened wrong according to this article.

[dimviii]

exclusively for NOT

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180610/cefdf117554a7624e06f02a749dce205.jpg

[focus206]

10k itself is quite absurd for something not even in the regulations and looks more like blackmailing, but it is what it is..

What? I'm pretty sure Ogier is glad the punishment is only 10k without time or points penalty. If it wasn't for Tanak, Ogier wouldn't had been able to finish the rally. Maybe the stewards would have found a way to allow him to finish with a time penalty, who knows...

[dimviii]

its not clear if it was a driving error,or a mechanical failure of the arm.
https://media.citroenracing.com/en/c3-r5-racks-stage-wins-sardinia

[stefanvv]

Plan A. It's not allowed to give any assistance, correct?

"2.13 PROHIBITED SERVICE
The use or receipt by the crew of any manufactured materials (solid or liquid, unless supplied by the
organisers), spare parts, tools or equipment other than those carried in the competing car or the presence of
team personnel as defined in Art. 48.2."

[SubaruNorway]

Ogier has been making 10k a week for years so I'm sure he's just happy it stayed with that

[N.O.T]

Ogier has been making 10k a week for years so I'm sure he's just happy it stayed with that

I doubt these fines are paid by the drivers...

Again it should have been an exclusion...

just put italians on my "nations and people i really really really dislike" list...

[dimviii]

https://www.ewrc.cz/images/2018/photos/rally_italia_sardegna_2018/tfa__ftf2683.jpg
https://www.ewrc.cz/images/2018/photos/rally_italia_sardegna_2018/tfa__ftf2835.jpg

https://www.ewrc.cz/foto/44261-rally-italia-sardegna-2018/208/

[PLuto]

I doubt these fines are paid by the drivers...

Again it should have been an exclusion...

just put italians on my "nations and people i really really really dislike" list...

For sure not. There is for sure no reason for exclusion.

[itix]

Yes, time card is very important document. Also in this digital era.So what is it actually used for then? At least at world rally level?
I get that it has meaning in some local rally without fancy equipment etc...

[PLuto]

So what is it actually used for then? At least at world rally level?
I get that it has meaning in some local rally without fancy equipment etc...

Have you ever done any rally? Time card is basic focument on every rally, it works everywhere in same way. In some local rally and same also in WRC.

[sonnybobiche]

What is the PRECISE regulation regarding the handling of the time cards?

From the two rules that Julian Porter read word-for-word on All Live, there is absolutely no penalty that can be legally justified. The time card was handed to the start control on time, and no external object, solid or liquid, that was not manufactured by the organizers was given to the crew.

I know that stewards and drivers are maybe not the sharpest legal minds, but this 10,000 euro fine strikes me as arbitrary, capricious, unjustified, and unacceptable given the letter of the rules.

Anyone have a link to the stewards decision? I'd like to go over it with a fine-toothed comb.

Ed: found it. This is completely absurd. Not only should there be no penalty, but the three stewards should never be allowed to steward again, because they appear to have no concept of legal reasoning.

[dimviii]

https://www.ewrc.cz/images/2018/photos/rally_italia_sardegna_2018/hfr_dsc_9088.jpg
https://www.ewrc.cz/images/2018/photos/rally_italia_sardegna_2018/hfr_dsc_0796.jpg

https://www.ewrc.cz/foto/44261-rally-italia-sardegna-2018/515/

[sonnybobiche]

The stewards decision, under the section "Reason", reads as follows:

"WRC Art. 2.13 clearly states that the "... receipt by the crew of any manufactured materials (solid or liquid..." is not allowed."

Well, actually, no motherfucker. It states that "The use or receipt by the crew of any manutfactured materials (solid or liquid, unless supplied by the organizers)..." is prohibited. Nice try leaving that part out, as if nobody would consult the fucking rulebook. Obviously the timecard is supplied by the organizers.


The stewards' decision continues, "the time card was handed over at a regroup, which appears to have been permitted under WRC Art. 48.2.2 unless it is a regroup before a Power Stage, which was the case here"

So let's consult the rulebook again. Rule 48.2.2 reads, "The passing of food, drink, clothing and information (data card, road book, etc.) to or from the crew when located in the zone is permitted:
-in tyre fitting zones, in light fitting zones from the personnel authorised in the zone only;
-in service parks, at regroups or whilst the cars are in a media zone."

However, I cannot find any reference to not being allowed to receive materials at a regroup specifically before a power stage. I don't know where this is coming from.

Once again, I can see absolutely zero justification for Ogier/Ingrassia being handed ANY penalty whatsoever, suspended or otherwise. I hope they will appeal and I hope that the FIA will clean up this legal mess that they created through their complete incompetence. But since the FIA are clearly borderline retarded, I don't hold out much hope.

[dimviii]

https://www.ewrc.cz/images/2018/photos/rally_italia_sardegna_2018/bog_54235.jpg
https://www.ewrc.cz/images/2018/photos/rally_italia_sardegna_2018/bog_16910.jpg
https://www.ewrc.cz/images/2018/photos/rally_italia_sardegna_2018/bog_56198.jpg

[m-ast]

there is more going on, 10000€ fine to Hyundai for a wrong photo in the homologation form of the R5: rallyitaliasardegna.com/?ddownload=1767

[N.O.T]

there is more going on, 10000€ fine to Hyundai for a wrong photo in the homologation form of the R5: rallyitaliasardegna.com/?ddownload=1767

those italians are going to erase their country's debt at such pace....

[m-ast]

The stewards' decision continues, "the time card was handed over at a regroup, which appears to have been permitted under WRC Art. 48.2.2 unless it is a regroup before a Power Stage, which was the case here"

So let's consult the rulebook again. Rule 48.2.2 reads, "The passing of food, drink, clothing and information (data card, road book, etc.) to or from the crew when located in the zone is permitted:
-in tyre fitting zones, in light fitting zones from the personnel authorised in the zone only;
-in service parks, at regroups or whilst the cars are in a media zone."

However, I cannot find any reference to not being allowed to receive materials at a regroup specifically before a power stage. I don't know where this is coming from.



There is reference of that, just article 13.3.2, characteristics of the power stage: "Be preceded by Media Zone and a regroup of at least 30 minutes. Arts. 42.5.2 and 48.2.2 do not apply for this Media Zone and this regroup."

[dupanton]

I think the fine is weird. Normally, when they judge it's illegal assistance, the only possible penalty is exclusion. I'm not saying it is, it's a grey zone. And despite being a Neuville fan I'm happy his not excluded. But they don't have to state he breached that rule but not exclude him as they should do with every crew breaching that rule.

[dupanton]

those italians are going to erase their country's debt at such pace....

You mean those real Italian stewards, like Waltraud Wünsch and Kai Tarkiainen?

[Watson]

those italians are going to erase their country's debt at such pace....
Says the Greek guy. What was the proverb with the stones and the glass houses again?

[sonnybobiche]

There is reference of that, just article 13.3.2, characteristics of the power stage: "Be preceded by Media Zone and a regroup of at least 30 minutes. Arts. 42.5.2 and 48.2.2 do not apply for this Media Zone and this regroup."

Thanks for the reference. It indeed says that 42.2.2 does not apply for the media zone and regroup prior to a power stage. However, that only confuses matters more. Since 48.2.2 is an article that sets out constraints on when and by whom food, drink, clothing, and information can be passed to and from the crew, a strict reading of 13.3.2 would mean that 42.2.2 does not apply at this time and that there are no constraints on passing food drink clothing and information to or from the crew during this regroup. It is unclear what the intent of 13.3.2 actually is, but ambiguous wording can only be the fault of the FIA.

Moreover, it seems to me the stop control made a mistake handing the time card to Tanak, since Ogier could have realized his mistake or been informed by the team (who saw it on live TV) and turned around to go get it. Once it was given to another competitor, that was out of Ogier's control.

[Sulland]

At stagend where Ogier just drove off, he must have been given a message over the team comm system. He suddenly blew off the interviewer and just drove off.
Maybe something to do with tyrechange or something else that had to be checked before the next stage.

Have the team explained something on why he just had to go asap?

[c_o_r]

My video : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RT3F_nnaiWY

[rallyace]

The stewards decision, under the section "Reason", reads as follows:

"WRC Art. 2.13 clearly states that the "... receipt by the crew of any manufactured materials (solid or liquid..." is not allowed."

Well, actually, no motherfucker. It states that "The use or receipt by the crew of any manutfactured materials (solid or liquid, unless supplied by the organizers)..." is prohibited. Nice try leaving that part out, as if nobody would consult the fucking rulebook. Obviously the timecard is supplied by the organizers.


The stewards' decision continues, "the time card was handed over at a regroup, which appears to have been permitted under WRC Art. 48.2.2 unless it is a regroup before a Power Stage, which was the case here"

So let's consult the rulebook again. Rule 48.2.2 reads, "The passing of food, drink, clothing and information (data card, road book, etc.) to or from the crew when located in the zone is permitted:
-in tyre fitting zones, in light fitting zones from the personnel authorised in the zone only;
-in service parks, at regroups or whilst the cars are in a media zone."

However, I cannot find any reference to not being allowed to receive materials at a regroup specifically before a power stage. I don't know where this is coming from.

Once again, I can see absolutely zero justification for Ogier/Ingrassia being handed ANY penalty whatsoever, suspended or otherwise. I hope they will appeal and I hope that the FIA will clean up this legal mess that they created through their complete incompetence. But since the FIA are clearly borderline retarded, I don't hold out much hope.

The rule itself states:

"The use or receipt by the crew of any manufactured materials (solid or liquid, unless supplied by the
organisers), spare parts, tools or equipment other than those carried in the competing car or the presence of
team personnel as defined in Art. 48.2."

What the article says is this: You're never allowed to receive any good, solid or liquid, unless the good is supplied (i.e. given) to you by the organisers. In this case the first requirement is met due to a time card being a solid material. So far, so good. Hence the time card could only have been legally given to Ingrassia by the organiser, not by Tänak.

In other words: The rule has nothing to do with the fact that the time cards are issued by the organisers, but the fact of the matter is whether the time card in question is supplied (i.e. given) to a competitor by anyone who isn't an organiser.

Theoretically, if the time card had been given to Ingrassia by a steward (who went to the next time control by foot or bike), the acceptance of the time card would have been legal as per Art. 2.13. Since it was given ("supplied", cf. the rules) by Tänak, the reception constituted a breach of the rules.

Therefore, the decision of the stewards is completely in accordance with Art. 2.13 of the rule book.

[stefanvv]

What the article says is this: You're never allowed to receive any good, solid or liquid, unless the good is supplied (i.e. given) to you by the organisers. In this case the first requirement is met due to a time card being a solid material. So far, so good. Hence the time card could only have been legally given to Ingrassia by the organiser, not by Tänak.

That's completely wrong interpretation. "Supplied" != "Handed" (received by hand). The rule is unclear in the second case, so it can be interpreted according to someone's desire.

[focus206]

Moreover, it seems to me the stop control made a mistake handing the time card to Tanak, since Ogier could have realized his mistake or been informed by the team (who saw it on live TV) and turned around to go get it. Once it was given to another competitor, that was out of Ogier's control.

It has been stated earlier in this thread that it's not allowed to drive back into TC. Probably they decided to give the time card to Tanak as a mean to let Ogier continue the rally, without prematurely ending the fight, since Ogier would have been excluded without time card. I think if it was a random WRC2 driver to have forgotten the time card, nothing like this would have happened.

[Mk2 RS2000]

The International Sporting Code carries this item in the Penalties section

12.1.1.i Failure to follow the instructions of the relevant officials for the safe and orderly conduct of the Event.

It could be argued that Tanak was following following instructions in taking the card and giving it to Ogier.In other words both parties were doing as they were told and had they not done so then they would have both been penalised

[KKS]

I am not sure "it is not allowed to give any assistance". Check the regulations and tell me which article exactly was broken. He was penalised for breaking article 2.13, but I think nothing happened wrong according to this article.
Article that mentioned in decision - Art 2.13

2.13 PROHIBITED SERVICEThe use or receipt by the crew of any manufactured materials (solid or liquid, unless supplied by theorganisers), spare parts, tools or equipment other than those carried in the competing car or the presence ofteam personnel as defined in Art. 48.2.

If that time card was brought back by a marshal or any other "organiser" people - no problem. But it was returned by Ott Tanak, who not an organiser. So Ogier receipt a manufactured solid material. And it was prohibited.

[KKS]

"2.13 PROHIBITED SERVICE
The use or receipt by the crew of any manufactured materials (solid or liquid, unless supplied by the
organisers), spare parts, tools or equipment other than those carried in the competing car or the presence of
team personnel as defined in Art. 48.2."
When Ott Tanak jump from competitors to organisers? I missed that moment.

[danon]

https://twitter.com/i/status/1005756193573429248

^
^
https://www.reactiongifs.us/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/hiding-in-the-bushes.gif

[KKS]

Well, actually, no motherfucker. It states that "The use or receipt by the crew of any manutfactured materials (solid or liquid, unless supplied by the organizers)..." is prohibited. Nice try leaving that part out, as if nobody would consult the fucking rulebook. Obviously the timecard is supplied by the organizers.
Supply and provide are different words.
If organisers supply to Latvala full charged battery - it would be allowed. But did organisers make that battery? - no, just supply. So you can receive ALL things in the world FROM organisers



The stewards' decision continues, "the time card was handed over at a regroup, which appears to have been permitted under WRC Art. 48.2.2 unless it is a regroup before a Power Stage, which was the case here"

So let's consult the rulebook again. Rule 48.2.2 reads, "The passing of food, drink, clothing and information (data card, road book, etc.) to or from the crew when located in the zone is permitted:
-in tyre fitting zones, in light fitting zones from the personnel authorised in the zone only;
-in service parks, at regroups or whilst the cars are in a media zone."

However, I cannot find any reference to not being allowed to receive materials at a regroup specifically before a power stage. I don't know where this is coming from.

To enter a regroup - you must be checked-in into TC before regroup. HOW you can do it without timecard? All 48.2.2 worked only you checked in.

[sonnybobiche]

The rule itself states:

"The use or receipt by the crew of any manufactured materials (solid or liquid, unless supplied by the
organisers), spare parts, tools or equipment other than those carried in the competing car or the presence of
team personnel as defined in Art. 48.2."

What the article says is this: You're never allowed to receive any good, solid or liquid, unless the good is supplied (i.e. given) to you by the organisers. In this case the first requirement is met due to a time card being a solid material. So far, so good. Hence the time card could only have been legally given to Ingrassia by the organiser, not by Tänak.

In other words: The rule has nothing to do with the fact that the time cards are issued by the organisers, but the fact of the matter is whether the time card in question is supplied (i.e. given) to a competitor by anyone who isn't an organiser.

Theoretically, if the time card had been given to Ingrassia by a steward (who went to the next time control by foot or bike), the acceptance of the time card would have been legal as per Art. 2.13. Since it was given ("supplied", cf. the rules) by Tänak, the reception constituted a breach of the rules.

Therefore, the decision of the stewards is completely in accordance with Art. 2.13 of the rule book.

I disagree. What is prohibited is "The use or receipt by the crew of any manufactured materials (solid or liquid, unless supplied by the organizers), spare parts tools or equipment other than those carried in the competing car or the presence of team personnel as defined in Art. 48.2"

So what the article says is this: The crew are not allowed to use or receive any manufactured material except those supplied by the organizer... The term "supplied" refers to the nature of the manufactured material, i.e. receipt of manufactured materials supplied by the organizers is not prohibited. If "supplied" were intended to refer to the process of how an item is received by the crew, it would come at the end Art. 2.13, because it would also apply to the use or receipt of "spare parts, tools or equipment..."

Therefore, "supplied" can be read to mean that any item that was initially supplied by the organizers is ok, and that sort of seems to be how the stewards read it, since they mention under extenuating circumstances that "the time card [...] was not a new item received".

Even if you somehow interpret "supplied by the organizers" to refer to how the item is received by the crew, the fact that the organizers gave the time card to Tanak with the intention of Tanak bringing it to Ogier means that the organizers effectively "supplied" the card to Ogier. The only way to argue otherwise would be if there was an explicit rule that clearly stated that the manufactured material must be physically given directly to the crew by the organizers each time.

[KKS]

there is more going on, 10000€ fine to Hyundai for a wrong photo in the homologation form of the R5: rallyitaliasardegna.com/?ddownload=1767 (http://rallyitaliasardegna.com/?ddownload=1767)
BTW it's not first time when Hyundai make changes to R5 car and didn't renew photos in homologation.

[stefanvv]

When Ott Tanak jump from competitors to organisers? I missed that moment.

Anti Ogier propaganda won't make my words different. Well, actually not my words anyway.

[m-ast]

To enter a regroup - you must be checked-in into TC before regroup. HOW you can do it without timecard? All 48.2.2 worked only you checked in.

Not fully that, it also applies in the media zone before the entrance in the reagroup, so maybe there was the case

[danon]

The marshal should not be allowed to hand over one's crew time card to another crew/member.

[N.O.T]

Its a clear exclusion... simple as that.

Not fair of course, but still rules are rules...

[stefanvv]

Supply and provide are different words.

Of course they are, but the meaning is almost the same. Supply is more of economic term and has more global meaning. And in the context of that, "supply" is more justified to receive something, by someone else on behalf of the supplier.

[KKS]

Not fully that, it also applies in the media zone before the entrance in the reagroup, so maybe there was the case
did we have any boards which defines a start of media zones? But it does not matter. After SS19 and before La Pedraia regroup was no media zones.

[sonnybobiche]

Its a clear exclusion... simple as that.

Not fair of course, but still rules are rules...

Well now that you've cleared it up for everyone I guess the discussion is over. :rotflmao:

I thought the Greeks basically invented philosophy and legal reasoning. You can't just say "It's a clear exclusion... simple as that" without explaining how such an exclusion would follow from reasonable interpretation of the written rules.
:grenade:



Of course they are, but the meaning is almost the same. Supply is more of economic term and has more global meaning. And in the context of that, "supply" is more justified to receive something, by someone else on behalf of the supplier.

You are right, although it would good if we could have a native French-speaking member try to interpret the French text of the rulebook, since that's the one that matters anyway.

[KKS]

So what the article says is this: The crew are not allowed to use or receive any manufactured material except those supplied by the organizer... The term "supplied" refers to the nature of the manufactured material, i.e. only manufactured materials supplied by the organizers are not prohibited. If "supplied" were intended to refer to the process of how an item is received by the crew, it would come at the end Art. 2.13, because it would also apply to the use or receipt of "spare parts, tools or equipment..."


You see that marshals at the end of stage offer a bottle of water? It must be water from a rally HQ in a rally organisers bottle, otherwise it does not refers to the nature of the material ;)

[stefanvv]

You see that marshals at the end of stage offer a bottle of water? It must be water from a rally HQ in a rally organisers bottle, otherwise it does not refers to the nature of the material ;)

For sure the manufacturer of that bottle didn't meant it to be supplied to the crew Nwhatever in whatever competition:D

[KKS]

so we started to produce "if"'s and "what"'s

Only real rule of 2.13 that crew can accept everything what organisers give it. Timecards, water, spare alternator belts.. whatever.

[stefanvv]

so we started to produce "if"'s and "what"'s

Please exclude from that "we".

[danon]

https://www.ewrc.cz/images/2018/photos/rally_italia_sardegna_2018/hfr_dsc_0796.jpg

https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/french-driver-sebastien-ogier-and-codriver-julien-ingrassia-of-ford-picture-id970960316

read the description... - https://www.gettyimages.ae/detail/news-photo/french-driver-sebastien-ogier-and-co-driver-julien-news-photo/970960316#french-driver-sebastien-ogier-and-codriver-julien-ingrassia-of-ford-picture-id970960316

[GravelBen]

The marshal should not be allowed to hand over one's crew time card to another crew/member.

Probably right, imagine the uproar if the marshall gave the time card to another competing crew to take to him, who then lost it (or 'lost it' ;) ).

The fault is still with the driver/codriver who left it behind to start with, but they would not be happy if they went back for it and someone else had taken it and not passed it on.

[AnttiL]

no excitement without Meeke

Meeke gone and we got probably the most exciting rally of the season.

[Rallyper]

The stewards decision, under the section "Reason", reads as follows:

"WRC Art. 2.13 clearly states that the "... receipt by the crew of any manufactured materials (solid or liquid..." is not allowed."

Well, actually, no motherfucker. It states that "The use or receipt by the crew of any manutfactured materials (solid or liquid, unless supplied by the organizers)..." is prohibited. Nice try leaving that part out, as if nobody would consult the fucking rulebook. Obviously the timecard is supplied by the organizers.


The stewards' decision continues, "the time card was handed over at a regroup, which appears to have been permitted under WRC Art. 48.2.2 unless it is a regroup before a Power Stage, which was the case here"

So let's consult the rulebook again. Rule 48.2.2 reads, "The passing of food, drink, clothing and information (data card, road book, etc.) to or from the crew when located in the zone is permitted:
-in tyre fitting zones, in light fitting zones from the personnel authorised in the zone only;
-in service parks, at regroups or whilst the cars are in a media zone."

However, I cannot find any reference to not being allowed to receive materials at a regroup specifically before a power stage. I don't know where this is coming from.

Once again, I can see absolutely zero justification for Ogier/Ingrassia being handed ANY penalty whatsoever, suspended or otherwise. I hope they will appeal and I hope that the FIA will clean up this legal mess that they created through their complete incompetence. But since the FIA are clearly borderline retarded, I don't hold out much hope.

I think, though in more humble words, that this is the correct assement of the situation.

(If Tanak shouldn´t have brought the timecard, Ogier had to go back to stage end (outside timezon) and let Ingrassa run and fetch the timecard. That, may have been a late in to the next timecontrol, with 20 secs penalt every minute, which should have been the only bad outcome of the mistake)

[KKS]

Meeke gone and we got probably the most exciting rally of the season.
huge correlation

[EstWRC]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3J8H7gC3Lk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyZX9L0q4YY&t=

[tommeke_B]

Not sure if posted already, Mikkelsen's mistake: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcuX0Y0hsc4&feature=youtu.be
With last year's car that wheel could have been somewhere in the bushes.

[dimviii]

rallyingUK


• @rallyargentina 2017 - @thierryneuville won by 0.7 seconds over @ElfynEvans

• @Rally_d_Italia 2018 - @thierryneuville won by 0.7 seconds over @SebOgier

https://twitter.com/simon_lemag/status/1006147829574897665

[jbmarcus21]

Neuville-Gilsoul built win joker and extends lead of Drivers Championship by 8 points after #RallyItaliaSardegna ► http://bit.ly/2xZJSJh

[EstWRC]

caption this

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DfbkXWUWAAED5C5.jpg

[hype]

Here's a video I made at the finish, best moment ever :-D Amazing atmosphere.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89_8xQT2tHM

[Gregor-y]

That's a strange way to apply a penalty. Treating a time card as some kind of foreign support is silly compared to having a rule saying don't drive off without your card.

[hype]

Wales Rally GB? :)

https://abload.de/img/wrc-rally-italia-sarda1sbi.jpg

https://abload.de/img/wrc-rally-italia-sard5ksv1.jpg

[bassist]

[QUOTE=EstWRC;1184768]caption this

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DfbkXWUWAAED5C5.jpg[/


"Jari, Malcom just sent me a text, he overheard Tommi Skyping Kris about something!! Mad's didn't believe me - don't worry mate, your good at Historics with that Audi quattro anyway!

[Jarek Z]

Here's a video I made at the finish, best moment ever :-D Amazing atmosphere.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89_8xQT2tHM

A very nice video. You captured the moment. Thanks for sharing! :)

[Kestask]

https://youtu.be/HXPVi82xRwk at 1min rock on the line latvala, its seems like someone put it on the road special for latvala.

[dimviii]

https://www.giornalemotori.com/wp-content/uploads//2018/06/wrc-rally-italy-2017-thierry-neuville-nicolas-gilsoul-hyundai-motorsport-hyundai-i20-coupe-e1528705631523.jpg

[flykas]

https://youtu.be/HXPVi82xRwk at 1min rock on the line latvala, its seems like someone put it on the road special for latvala.

It's filmed from Ogier's car

[hype]

Sassari-Argentiera stage, first time I've been there, what an amazing stage!

https://abload.de/img/wrc-rally-italia-sardijywv.jpg

https://abload.de/img/wrc-rally-italia-sard4nxjp.jpg

[dimviii]

both very nice photos^^
first one if was closer,will be amazing.

[Atob WRC]

Hi people! Here our video of our Sardegna Rally!!! It was an incredible edition.

Hope you enjoy as us!

Best regards!!!

https://youtu.be/YTIHals1spU

[GigiGalliNo1]

Another great rally I attended! Such a good fight at the end, being there when Neuville and the hundreds of fans at the finish line. Never experienced such... I cannot describe it. The fans, the passion and intensity of the win! It was awesome.

[hype]

Another great rally I attended! Such a good fight at the end, being there when Neuville and the hundreds of fans at the finish line. Never experienced such... I cannot describe it. The fans, the passion and intensity of the win! It was awesome.

Same for me, best moment I ever experienced in 13 years of rally for me. It was just amazing!

[danon]

looks like a movie shot of the Gladiator movie...

https://www.rallye-magazin.de/typo3temp/yag-galleries/48/37/WRC-Rallye-Sardinien-2018-JU-062_483720_5b1e6a9f1.jpg

[Watson]

looks like a movie shot of the Gladiator movie...

https://www.rallye-magazin.de/typo3temp/yag-galleries/48/37/WRC-Rallye-Sardinien-2018-JU-062_483720_5b1e6a9f1.jpg
Would've been a pretty short one :P

[hype]

2007:

https://abload.de/img/sardo-2007cjjj5.jpg

2018:

https://abload.de/img/sardo-2018dzjbo.jpg

Same place, same guy, but 11 years older... holy crap :-|

[dimviii]

excellent video
https://www.ewrc-results.com/video/26064-wrc-rally-italia-sardegna-2018-crash-action-adracing/

[Rallyper]

looks like a movie shot of the Gladiator movie...

https://www.rallye-magazin.de/typo3temp/yag-galleries/48/37/WRC-Rallye-Sardinien-2018-JU-062_483720_5b1e6a9f1.jpg

They are Gladiators on the stage of World Rally Championship.

[EstWRC]

Mikkelsen onboard SS3 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ev_gEXKKtbY

[hype]

My gallery is now online on: http://patrik-pangerl.com/rally-italia-sardegna-2018/
Looking forward to 2019 :)

[bomber21]

My gallery is now online on: http://patrik-pangerl.com/rally-italia-sardegna-2018/
Looking forward to 2019 :)
They look great!!!

[AL14]

My thought on the Sardinia affaire. I don't see the connection between artificial jump and leaving Sardinia. Just remove artificial jumps... That's bullshit imo, all the car were ok, Tommi Makinen should worry about the fact that his car at third year of development broke so easily not about rally sardinia. Also I agree with others that people at Service Park are not how you measure a rally success, even if I think that Olbia and surrounding stages are better and can provide more closeness with the SP.

At stages is always full of people much more than a lot of others rallys, that's where you call a success.

On the other side I think that if you move WRC in the mainland you will have much more fans. I think the heart of rally in Italy is in the center/north of the mainland but the federations there have not enough money to organize a WRC rally. Anyways if there is a place in Italy where WRC should be hold is up there.

Regarding logistics I fully understand the teams. I live in the mainland but I occasionally go to Sardinia because my parents and some old friends live there and it's very difficulty to do it for me as a private traveller, with no more than a luggage with me. I can imagine it's a nightmare for teams, also in terms of costs.

[GigiGalliNo1]

Unbelievable end to the rally. Right at the finish line. The emotion, intensity from fans and driver, I can’t describe the feeling being there.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180615/8b808126d25e8594d2064eb9a1fb2371.jpg

[sonnybobiche]

Regarding logistics I fully understand the teams. I live in the mainland but I occasionally go to Sardinia because my parents and some old friends live there and it's very difficulty to do it for me as a private traveller, with no more than a luggage with me. I can imagine it's a nightmare for teams, also in terms of costs.

I would completely support an event with nightmarish logistics if it brought something unique and desirable. Safari? Yes. Azores? I'm Sold. Sardinia? Well...

Maybe it's just me but it feels like the most 'generic' rally on the calendar. Like, if you wanted to make a rally video game but you didn't want to go through the hassle of recreating real events and stages, you'd come up with something that looked like Sardinia. It's dirt. It's in the middle of the Mediterranean, right next to Corsica. I guess it's hard on the cars? But not exceptionally hard, the way Acropolis was. Sardinia back to back with Portugal reminds me of when we had Alsace back to back with Germany.

[N.O.T]

I would completely support an event with nightmarish logistics if it brought something unique and desirable.

its very easy to support something without having to organise it or finance it...

[GravelBen]

Sardinia back to back with Portugal reminds me of when we had Alsace back to back with Germany.

I think you're right, Sardegna and Portugal are just too similar in character especially one after the other.

I remember San Remo being quite spectacular, but would it be too similar to Corsica if they brought it back now?

[sonnybobiche]

I think you're right, Sardegna and Portugal are just too similar in character especially one after the other.

I remember San Remo being quite spectacular, but would it be too similar to Corsica if they brought it back now?

Even Corsica is too similar to Corsica right now IMO.

[GravelBen]

I like Corsica, its good to have a rally thats a bit different to the others with longer stages etc.

I know some people think its more exciting to watch 3 short stages than one long one, but if you feel that way you can just watch the split times from the long stage. ;)

[ESTR]

As long as they shuffle events a little bit that could be awesome. Not year after year the same story. I don't like Turkey being even on calendar but on the other side it will be interesting to watch after long time that something new is in the game.

[Zeakiwi]

Could the Sardinian organisers work at deal with the San Marino Rally Legend to alternate years?

https://youtu.be/MODnFR78iQU (Rally Legend 2017 )

[TWRC]

Could the Sardinian organisers work at deal with the San Marino Rally Legend to alternate years?

https://youtu.be/MODnFR78iQU (Rally Legend 2017 )
I don't think that is realistic. Rallylegend is already very crowded with lots of traffic and people between the stages and everywhere, with WRC it could be much more crowded. IIRC one of the reasons Sanremo was replaced with Sardinia was that the roads in the area couldn't handle the amount traffic generated by spectators driving between the stages.

[Simmi]

Went straight to Le Mans after the rally so a bit late to the party with some photos. If anyone still cares haha.

Happy to have ticked this event off - especially given it won't be around much longer.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/94998505@N03/albums/72157697992515525/with/28929876348/

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1726/42803249691_0b1b97d22c_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/28dnQTD)1 (https://flic.kr/p/28dnQTD) by Richard Simpson (https://www.flickr.com/photos/94998505@N03/), on Flickr
https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1745/42803249371_72a5abf5fd_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/28dnQN8)3 (https://flic.kr/p/28dnQN8) by Richard Simpson (https://www.flickr.com/photos/94998505@N03/), on Flickr
https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1756/28929892278_181f2ab3b3_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/L5rg5b)7 (https://flic.kr/p/L5rg5b) by Richard Simpson (https://www.flickr.com/photos/94998505@N03/), on Flickr
https://farm1.staticflickr.com/884/42754209672_c5ca3aaf43_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2893v15)15 (https://flic.kr/p/2893v15) by Richard Simpson (https://www.flickr.com/photos/94998505@N03/), on Flickr

[hype]

Nice photos 👍

[itix]

Have you ever done any rally? Time card is basic focument on every rally, it works everywhere in same way. In some local rally and same also in WRC.No I haven't, that's why I asked. I assume as a novice, that the time card was there in the beginning of rallying so that you could easily compile stage times to a rally time and determine the winner.

My assumption is that with synced clocks, the stages were all clocked via the time card.

Today when we have fancy timing equipment and live updates and all the times going into databases almost instantly, does the time card actually mean anything? Again, asking as a novice. How is it used?