Rally Mexico 2018

[KKS]

Michelin splits are back!
https://ranking-wrc.michelin.rngd.io/sites/embed.php?key=1#!/saison/2018/event/rally-guanajuato-mexico-2018/splits/4

[HaCo]

Michelin splits are back!
https://ranking-wrc.michelin.rngd.io/sites/embed.php?key=1#!/saison/2018/event/rally-guanajuato-mexico-2018/splits/4

That's nice!

[er88]

The point is (thankfully for Ott), is that he didn't have as big issues as his teammates over those stages, Tom Fowler said as much.

They have a system this year that kicks in to protect the engine and other components when the engine starts to overheat, and they'll work on Lappi and Jari's car in service to give them the chance to fight like Ott has been able to do.

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[HaCo]

Wish you could click on a driver to have it as reference in the spilts. A long time ago this was possible.

[ToyotaFan95]

I know that it is early but I am impressed with Loeb so far. He is little bit more competitive than I thought considering how long he has been away.

[EstWRC]

The point is (thankfully for Ott), is that he didn't have as big issues as his teammates over those stages, Tom Fowler said as much.

They have a system this year that kicks in to protect the engine and other components when the engine starts to overheat, and they'll work on Lappi and Jari's car in service to give them the chance to fight like Ott has been able to do.

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He said it now on all live? If so then thanks for the information! I couldn’t watch after the stage

[bigattack]

Mightily impressed by Loeb. All those other competitions have made him an even more complete driver. I think he will get faster as the rally goes and that will make a few guys stressed likely. Even though you are fighting for the championship, you don't want to beaten by somebody whos been away that long. Let's see if he can make it stick.
Great rally so far, shame for the toyotas.

[racerx1979]

Loeb doing great and fully taking advantage of his road position.

It's amazing how on the pace he is. A true master....

[mknight]

Originally Posted by dimviii View Post
cant understand his ''answer''...From his times at highest stage there is no problem with overheat.


The avg. speed of the last stage was 30 km/h faster than the stage before.

It's air cooling after all



the air cooling was different from other 2 yaris?


All 3 Yaris had much better stage times in SS4 than all morning. Q.E.D.


so you dont know if all yaris had engine overheat problems. Thats the answer you had to give at my question.
answer is not that ''they are faster vs previous stages''.


Off course I don't know if they had overheat problems, you don't know either. Heck often the drivers can't be sure either as the engine turns down power automatically (ref. Toyota engineer), supposedly without even telling on the dashboard (ref. Latvala SS2).

But based on times they clearly had much less issues in SS4 and the higher speed is for sure the reason. I recommend you actually read and think about whats written first. "Highest stage" doesn't mean much if the difference is a few 100m while the avg. speed difference is 30 km/h.

[steve.mandzij]

The point is (thankfully for Ott), is that he didn't have as big issues as his teammates over those stages, Tom Fowler said as much.

They have a system this year that kicks in to protect the engine and other components when the engine starts to overheat, and they'll work on Lappi and Jari's car in service to give them the chance to fight like Ott has been able to do.

Sent from my SM-G920F using TapatalkCould it be then that Lappi and Latvala pushed harder (as in, were stressing the engine more) than Tanak, meaning that their engines overheated first?

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[dimviii]

The avg. speed of the last stage was 30 km/h faster than the stage before.

It's air cooling after all



All 3 Yaris had much better stage times in SS4 than all morning. Q.E.D.


Off course I don't know if they had overheat problems, you don't know either. Heck often the drivers can't be sure either as the engine turns down power automatically (ref. Toyota engineer), supposedly without even telling on the dashboard (ref. Latvala SS2).

But based on times they clearly had much less issues in SS4 and the higher speed is for sure the reason. I recommend you actually read and think about whats written first. "Highest stage" doesn't mean much if the difference is a few 100m while the avg. speed difference is 30 km/h.

drivers quotes from stage, tells me that you dont have a clue what happened.
you dont have to imagine theories with average speeds vs high altitude vs times from previous stages,when drivers said THEY SWITCHED OFF ANTILAG DUE TO HIGH ENGINE TEMP.

hope its clear now.

[er88]

He said it now on all live? If so then thanks for the information! I couldn’t watch after the stageYeah he was interviewed by Molly after the stage in service. Basically it's a failsafe system which he said wasn't in place last year, which kicks in to protect the engine and other components when temps get too high. Basically the system manages power output in relation to Performance vs reliability when the temps are high. Said things were under control although obviously he was putting a brave face on it, as they've still had two cars suffer a bit much.

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[N.O.T]

Its not funny Mr Loeb... you should stop that...

[dimviii]

Could it be then that Lappi and Latvala pushed harder (as in, were stressing the engine more) than Tanak, meaning that their engines overheated first?

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according to Fowler, they had different mapping to Tanaks yaris.
Maybe they had to try some different things at one car from other 2 cars, for safety reasons.
ie less power for Tanak from mapping,but when you dont have high engine temp like at Latvalas and Lappis car with different mapping for more power,at the end you gain,because your less power car(Tanak)car didnt get at safe mode due to mild mapping,so no high engine temp=no safe mode.

[EstWRC]

this is the most pointless stage i have ever seen...my god

[Simmi]

Big problem in that stage for Thierry. Looked like he was in road mode. Dropped 25secs!!!

[er88]

Wow Neuville!!! I totally missed what's happening on this pathetic stage

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[dimviii]

his door was opening through the stage reported.

[er88]

this is the most pointless stage i have ever seen...my godIt's like every rally is having a competion to win the biggest 'mickey mouse stage' award.

Neuville rattled. Really unhappy

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[mknight]

drivers quotes from stage, tells me that you dont have a clue what happened.
you dont have to imagine theories with average speeds vs high altitude vs times from previous stages,when drivers said THEY SWITCHED OFF ANTILAG DUE TO HIGH ENGINE TEMP.

hope its clear now.

Yep totally clear. You do anything to "save" yourself from the fact that you spam post too fast without thinking. So for the last time on your way to NOT-land.


the air cooling was different from other 2 yaris?

Obviously it wasn't since all 3 improved. bb

Going to follow real drama with Neuville instead.

[Ucci]

Its not funny Mr Loeb... you should stop that...
Indeed...somebody could not understand this joke....

[er88]

So Neuville has an engine issue, and also his door was open and he's hurt his arm...

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[seb_sh]

I just noticed Toyota painted the top dive planes white, the stickers don't look as weird now.

[dimviii]

Yep totally clear. You do anything to "save" yourself from the fact that you spam post too fast without thinking. So for the last time on your way to NOT-land.



Obviously it wasn't since all 3 improved. bb
.
no Tanaks car had a different mapping and hadnt got same problem.
Is it clear now who is ''spamming post too fast without thinking''?

thats the reason i firstly asked that i didnt understand Tanaks answer,because he didnt answer clear if he had or not engine overheat problems.

that was my post


cant understand his ''answer''...From his times at highest stage there is no problem with overheat.


But you preffered to answer without having a clue mixing average speeds,previous stages etc

[stefanvv]

thats the reason i firstly asked that i didnt understand Tanaks answer,because he didnt answer clear if he had or not engine overheat problems.But you preffered to answer without having a clue.

Tanak and Lappi did PR job, Latvala didn't, and probably Tanak was less careful to the issue. Is this an answer?

[Simmi]

Neuville receiving more and more attention to that injured arm.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Neuville trebled his time loss to Ogier on that SSS after keeping close all morning... no wonder he's fuming.

[Simmi]

Meeke vs plant pot hahaha.

This stage is much better than Saarbrucken

[stefanvv]

Indeed...somebody could not understand this joke....

Tell that to Meeke

[er88]

Lol, Meeke didn't like the plant pots so took action into his own hands ;)

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[KKS]

Meeke vs Mexican bushes Episode 2 :D

[dimviii]

Tanak and Lappi did PR job, Latvala didn't, and probably Tanak was less careful to the issue. Is this an answer?

Tanak did a PR job for himself (he managed better the overheat problem)and Toyota.
Lappi and Latvala said the obvious and truth.The engine overheating problems.

[dimviii]

lol

https://twitter.com/OfficialWRC/status/972208388150059008

[T16]

Anyone notice that Evans seat looked like it was nearly outside the door line if the car at the end of the street-stage? Didn't look good at all...

[T16]

I'll say it now.. Loeb will come back next year for a full season and win number 10.

[Norm75]

T16 . . . That's the safety pad between the door and drivers head, not the seat, it's meant to be there.

[Simmi]

So am I right that, discounting Loeb, the only works driver to not win a stage this season is JML?

[T16]

T16 . . . That's the safety pad between the door and drivers head, not the seat, it's meant to be there.
Cheers... shouldn't have had that last beer.

[T16]

Fucking hell.... can we criticise Desbrough here, or does it need to be on the WRC+ thread?... he really is a complete dick.

[er88]

Ooh Tanak saying it's exactly the same for him and Jari. Jari won't like that, whether it's true or not ;)

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[KKS]

Tanak now clearly describe all situation. All three cars have same problems.

[Zeakiwi]

Do the Toyota cars' engine management systems have sensors for the altitude or an oxygen sensor etc?

[racerx1979]

Well all the cars should have O2 sensors... I think the ECU's are seeing knock and backing off timing, turning off Anit-Lag etc.

[KKS]

Evans retire for today due to Dan health checks

[er88]

Dan Barrit not doing great. Feeling unwell, concussed. So that's Evans out if so

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[Fast Eddie WRC]

Sounds like bad news for Dan and so a big blow to Evans yet again this year.. :(

[seb_sh]

Hope Dan will be OK!

[dimviii]

His co-driver Nicolas Gilsoul tells us the unfortunate episode. "The morning was good in real specials, we just had a very short special in town where we had engine misfires, and it looks like gas pressure like last year. the special as a snail and we lost about twenty seconds in the adventure.He had to activate a security mode and he had to open his door to do the manipulation.The door closed several times on his arm so it him "It was painful for him," Gilsoul told the microphone of our colleague Olivier Gaspard, special correspondent of RTBF in Mexico.

And to add: "We would have done well of this technical problem.The biggest challenge will be to make a reset in his head in about fifty minutes not to do stupid things during the afternoon."

The co-pilot from Neuville also detailed the scan for us. "The sweeping in Mexico is very localized, there are more sandy and some more earthy portions, some places are artificially repaired so it's very changeable, it should be better during the afternoon." he concluded.

https://www.rtbf.be/sport/moteurs/rallye/wrc/detail_gilsoul-raconte-la-blessure-au-bras-de-neuville-consecutive-a-des-rates-du-moteur?id=9862426

[dimviii]

Hyundai Motorsport
UPDATE #Neuville: we identified an unforeseen over consumption of fuel in @thierryneuville’s car which caused a loss of fuel pressure in SS5. Thierry is now on the way to the afternoon loop of stages. #WRC #HMSGOfficial #RallyMexico

[er88]

Any word on tyre choices for the crews?

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[Fast Eddie WRC]

Apparently Evans thought the car 'would be in bits' as the crash and roll felt so hard...

[stefanvv]

I heard Loeb is going to take some hards?!?

[stefanvv]

Fri 15:35 - Evans update 2/3 Wilson also reveals what he knows about the crash: "It's a bit confusing because it happened at very high speed. Elfyn managed to control the car after the bump, but went wide on the next corner and hit a bank. He believes he rolled, but looking at the television coverage its hard to see whether it rolls or not. There is extensive damage to the left-hand side and quite a lot of damaged suspension. From the look of some of the fractured components it was clearly a very big impact."

[Lead]

Why I'm listening to Makinen when all the guys are in the stage....

[dimviii]

I heard Loeb is going to take some hards?!?

Βoth Meeke and Loeb
Tyres choice made: 5 Michelin Hard for our crews this afternoon!




@Michelin_Sport



Περισσότερα
#Tyre info: Day 1 - Afternoon: Toyota & Citroën drivers and Mikkelsen with 5 MICHELIN LTX Force Hard (H4)
Ogier & Suninen with 4 Hard + 1 Soft (S5)
Neuville & Sordo with 3 Soft + 2 Hard

WRC2: Tidemand 4 Hard + 2 Soft and Huttunen with 5 Hard

[denkimi]

Hyundai Motorsport
UPDATE #Neuville: we identified an unforeseen over consumption of fuel in @thierryneuville’s car which caused a loss of fuel pressure in SS5. Thierry is now on the way to the afternoon loop of stages. #WRC #HMSGOfficial #RallyMexico
So they just ran out of fuel.

For a factory team that's no less than retarded.

[tc10a]

Why I'm listening to Makinen when all the guys are in the stage....

Then you are probably doing something wrong - very nice coverage of Neuville since the start of the stage and no Mäkinen.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Michelin splits are back!
https://ranking-wrc.michelin.rngd.io/sites/embed.php?key=1#!/saison/2018/event/rally-guanajuato-mexico-2018/splits/4

Reminder ! :)

[AL14]

Is it true that Neuville just forget his door open before sss?

[dimviii]

So they just ran out of fuel.

For a factory team that's no less than retarded.

no, it was low fuel pressure.

[stefanvv]

Yaris seems cooled down, Jaris-Matti is on fire though.

[SubaruNorway]

Is it true that Neuville just forget his door open before sss?

No, resetting ECU or turning the main switch off and on or something like that, not sure what's by the seat of the Hyundai. You could see Latvala do it in Finland when the car stopped in Ouninpohja.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Panic over re Ogier... stopping for puncture they cry... then, nothing wrong.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Yaris seems cooled down, Jaris-Matti is on fire though.

Nope, behind Ogier.

[mousti]

No, resetting ECU or turning the main switch off and on or something like that, not sure what's by the seat of the Hyundai. You could see Latvala do it in Finland when the car stopped in Ouninpohja.

In a Fiesta R5 you can do that indeed by example.

[steve.mandzij]

Latvala still not putting in championship material performances :( as we say in Argentina, "siempre le faltan 5 para el peso" (always 5 cents away from the full peso!)

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[dimviii]

Karlip
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#RallyMexico - SS6 - Ogier punches a wall after the flying finish
photo at link
https://twitter.com/Karlip1/status/972236047231971328

[stefanvv]

Nope, behind Ogier.

Yeah, first split only comment:disturb: Ogier's finish was UUUHHHAAAAAAAA.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Driver's are losing time to Ogier towards the end of the stage...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DX4U1fWV4AAZyv6.jpg:large

[SubaruNorway]

It is in the center of the car on the center console.

What's down by the left of the seat then since he got the arm caught between the door and rollcage?

[er88]

Top time again from the Champ!

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[denkimi]

no, it was low fuel pressure.
Its hard to have fuel pressure if there's no fuel in the tank.

[dimviii]

Its hard to have fuel pressure if there's no fuel in the tank.

without fuel he couldnt reach service park=retirement.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Meeke just pipped Ogier by 0.3s.

[dimviii]

lololol



FRI 16:31 - SS6: TANAK
Second quickest. How is your car? Tanak picks his words carefully: "When it's full power the engine is working well, no complaints," he says.

FRI 16:29 - SS6: LAPPI
Latvala's optimism is not shared by his team-mate. He completes 14.2sec off the pace. How's the car? "Everything is the same as it was this morning. So no change."

FRI 16:26 - SS6: LATVALA
6.7sec slower than Ogier here. Is the overheating issue fixed? "The guys have been working hard in the office trying to fix it. At the moment everything is okay - the next one is more demanding."

[er88]

Good time Kris

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[RaunoK]

lololol



FRI 16:31 - SS6: TANAK
Second quickest. How is your car? Tanak picks his words carefully: "When it's full power the engine is working well, no complaints," he says.

FRI 16:29 - SS6: LAPPI
Latvala's optimism is not shared by his team-mate. He completes 14.2sec off the pace. How's the car? "Everything is the same as it was this morning. So no change."

FRI 16:26 - SS6: LATVALA
6.7sec slower than Ogier here. Is the overheating issue fixed? "The guys have been working hard in the office trying to fix it. At the moment everything is okay - the next one is more demanding."

Lol, Lappi didn't get the PR note :)

[AL14]

lololol



FRI 16:31 - SS6: TANAK
Second quickest. How is your car? Tanak picks his words carefully: "When it's full power the engine is working well, no complaints," he says.

FRI 16:29 - SS6: LAPPI
Latvala's optimism is not shared by his team-mate. He completes 14.2sec off the pace. How's the car? "Everything is the same as it was this morning. So no change."

FRI 16:26 - SS6: LATVALA
6.7sec slower than Ogier here. Is the overheating issue fixed? "The guys have been working hard in the office trying to fix it. At the moment everything is okay - the next one is more demanding."

I don't wanna be their head mechanic and engineers today :D

[dimviii]

Sordo must be at Suninens dust?

[stefanvv]

Problem for Suninen?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Great having Breen on comms. :)

[er88]

Loeb overshoot

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[EstWRC]

pretty decent times from Tänak with power still down as i understand

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Big time loss for Suninen but didnt puncture just thought he had ??

[KKS]

What a lovely stage co-commentate with Craig on WRC+.

[EstWRC]

SOrdo has shot himself with those soft tyres.

[stefanvv]

Big time loss for Suninen but didnt puncture just thought he had ??

Suspension

[dimviii]

Loeb excepth the missed junction ,was on par with stage winner Meeke.Not bad .

FRI 16:49 - SS6: LOEB
Sixth quickest, 6.3sec slower than stage winner Meeke despite an overshoot that cost him around seven seconds! What happened? "I didn't see it until it was too late, I was looking at the junction after!"

[KKS]

SOrdo has shot himself with those soft tyres.
"Great time to realize it"© Breen

[stefanvv]

Loeb excepth the missed junction ,was on par with stage winner Meeke.Not bad .

FRI 16:49 - SS6: LOEB
Sixth quickest, 6.3sec slower than stage winner Meeke despite an overshoot that cost him around seven seconds! What happened? "I didn't see it until it was too late, I was looking at the junction after!"

What is Elena for? Extra weight?

[EstWRC]

Latvala? was up to speed but now 0km/h for some time already

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Suninen
Went wide on SS6. We thought it was just a puncture but obviously it is a suspension damage. Gutted. We are now 11th, +3.22,2 to the first place. https://t.co/KweCPWzPQh

[stefanvv]

Lappi?

[steve.mandzij]

I must admit I expected (or hoped) more from Bulacia despite this being his debut. Slower than Heller is too slow.

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[Fast Eddie WRC]

Yeah... why would you take one odd tyre ?

[EstWRC]

everything okay, GPS glitch

[stefanvv]

Latvala's car is obviously down on power

[EstWRC]

such a shame the Toyota guys have to drive like this...i doubt they will find a solution for tomorrow

[KKS]

Sick dogs spotted :D

[stefanvv]

Evans/Barritt not going to restart.

[dimviii]

Hyundai Motorsport

A radiator issue on SS6 has forced @HuttunenRacing to stop and retire for the day at @RallyMexico. #WRC2 #HMDP #HMSGOfficial

[EstWRC]

Lappi seems to be stopped

[dimviii]

Νeuville 3 sec down to morning pass

[COD]

Toyota still same heat problems as last year. Have they learned nothing? Or is this the event they are ready to sacrifice to be competitive elsewhere?

[KKS]

Meeke start to lose time. +4sec at 2nd split.

[dimviii]

Meeke start to lose time. +4sec at 2nd split.

-0,2 at 2nd split shows wrc for me

[wrc2017]

lappi stopped?

[EstWRC]

+3.4 show wrc plus for me Meeke from Tänak...lol

[stefanvv]

-0,2 at 2nd split shows wrc for me

but Neuville isn't benchmark, is he?

[dimviii]

+3.4 show wrc plus for me Meeke from Tänak...lol

lol i was comparing with Neuville .

[KKS]

-0,2 at 2nd split shows wrc for me
+3.4 to Tanak

[EstWRC]

its Tänak not Lappi you morons

[steve.mandzij]

Latvala's car is obviously down on powerHe did say it was working fine. I'm just clueless now.

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[dimviii]

Ogier spun at stage .
Neuville with 3 softs and 1 hard compound.

[KKS]

its Tänak not Lappi you morons
Interesting how many time they will spend to realize it

[EstWRC]

Tänak seemed quite pissed, haha

[stefanvv]

He did say it was working fine. I'm just clueless now.

May be it was just hard section for the car, but was looking really clumsy.

[KKS]

Tadam... they realized.

[er88]

Tänak seemed quite pissed, hahaJust roasting more like lol

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[EstWRC]

cmon Loeb take that stage win now!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

ALL LIVE dont even notice no Lappi !!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Suninen.. off.

[EstWRC]

Meeke with a spin, just 1.5 secc separating him and Tänak now

[er88]

Spin for Meeke. Let's Tanak close up

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[stefanvv]

Suninen stopped

[KKS]

Citroens looking good this afternoon

[Simmi]

Tough event for Suninen. Didn't have the pace early and then a couple of mistakes.

Testament to how good he is that it can be disappointing this early in his career.

[KKS]

Loeb - joint fastest 3rd split with Sordo!

[dimviii]

Tough event for Suninen. Didn't have the pace early and then a couple of mistakes.

Testament to how good he is that it can be disappointing this early in his career.

just remembered the arguement about if Finland is a special event compared to other gravel rallies.

[EstWRC]

lets see how the stage end goes for Sordo, many have lost there

[Fast Eddie WRC]

As I said from the start of the year, M-Sport has only Ogier and Driver's title to think about. The Manu's is no chance.

[EstWRC]

Sordo continues to amaze me

[dimviii]

Rally Paradise
#WRC #RallyMexico A nigtmare event for the Finns! @KalleRovanpera & @HuttunenRacing radiator & now @EsapekkaLappi #crash & @TeemuSuninenRac crashed into an armco barrier. Their aim was to learn & not drive too fast! Not this way boys! :( #WRClive #Mexico @RallyMexico

[dimviii]

its coming

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Go Loooooeb ! :D

[Simmi]

Come on Seb bring it home for the stage win!

[kirungi okwogera]

Sordo looking really solid.

Loeb may be heading for a stage win - ahead at split 4!

[EstWRC]

a stage win for Loeeeeebbbbbbbb

[Lead]

Comon Master!!!

[dimviii]

Loeb 5 sec faster from Sordo.

[EstWRC]

and second into overall! and people thought i am crazy when i said he can win.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

He has to come back.

[Lead]

Hahahaha

[jparker]

As I said from the start of the year, M-Sport has only Ogier and Driver's title to think about. The Manu's is no chance.
Maybe M-Sport has to start thinking about something more realistic.

[kirungi okwogera]

Loeb into 2nd? Chrissakes. If he doesn't have an off or something he could be heading for a win. I don't know what that says about Loeb - or about everybody driving since the Loeb era. The dude is absurd. This shouldn't be possible, even with road position advantage.

[Franky]

and second into overall! and people thought i am crazy when i said he can win.

Except you weren't that confident in your pickems :D

[stefanvv]

That's embarrassing for Meeke.

[kirungi okwogera]

That's embarrassing for Meeke.

Ehhh... kind of embarrassing for everybody but Loeb really.

[EightGear]

His reaction was priceless lol!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Neuville not happy.

[EstWRC]

Except you weren't that confident in your pickems :D

and i regret it already!

[seb_sh]

The master is giving a lesson, everyone should pay attention.

[KKS]

Great that we have Loeb here, and he still winning a stages!

[Eric]

No power steering for Neuville

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Nueville lost power steering.. and time.

[wrc2017]

That's embarrassing for Meeke.

meeke spun. anyway its impressive in anyones book.
Meeke should be looking at championship, with Neuville in problems, and Ogier down order.

[er88]

Great from the WRC GOD.

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[stefanvv]

Ehhh... kind of embarrassing for everybody but Loeb really.

Why everybody. He and Meeke are only in the same car and similar road position.

[EstWRC]

Why everybody. He and Meeke are only in the same car and similar road position.

+1

[Norm75]

Why everybody. He and Meeke are only in the same car and similar road position.
Because Meeke is in the championship and Loeb is just playing.
We saw what meeke is capable of in Finland 16 with no pressure.

[kirungi okwogera]

Why everybody. He and Meeke are only in the same car and similar road position.

Of course. Everybody else is still getting taken to school too. It shouldn't be possible for a guy who retired from full time rally in 2012 to get stage wins in 2018!

[wrc2017]

+1

2 car more cleaning, and no championship to think about, both have spun, and there is 4 seconds between them after 120kms... how is that embarrassing.

[Allez Andruet]

There is only one Sebastien Loeb. Even if he'd crash on the next one, this is still one for the ages.

[wrc2017]

Neville +30s, powersteering prob?

[dimviii]

i have a feeling that we are going to listen plenty of bullshit at this topic.

its coming....

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Loeb has done well here but dont slag off the current drivers.. Loeb wouldnt.

[stefanvv]

Of course. Everybody else is still getting taken to school too. It shouldn't be possible for a guy who retired from full time rally in 2012 to get stage wins in 2018!

Yeah, alright. Even newcomers can win rallies with the right car with current technical rules and road position, ref. Lappi. I don't think it's something extraordinary, but ok, still an achievement.

[wrc2017]

Latvala alternator.. if so.. thats the end.

[kirungi okwogera]

i have a feeling that we are going to listen plenty of bullshit at this topic.

its coming....

Yeah I said on SS2 it'd be hilarious if Loeb shows himself competitive in the slightest with the current guys, the arguments will spread like a rash... oh his road position, oh he's not thinking about the championship, etc. etc.

Just enjoy the show as a guy 5 years retired is in second place at the moment, amongst drivers devoting their every waking moment to this competition. No need to worry about hypotheticals if Ogier was running 10th, or Loeb running 1st, or blah blah blah...

[dimviii]

Yeah, alright. Even newcomers can win rallies with the right car with current technical rules and road position, ref. Lappi. I don't think it's something extraordinary, but ok, still an achievement.

i said its coming...

[stefanvv]

Neuville is going to lose much in the mickey mouses as well, not good rally for him.

[KKS]

Lappi - off
JML - alternator, off
Tanak - next?

[steve.mandzij]

Latvala alternator.. if so.. thats the end.I think it'll put the Latvala fans out of their misery. It's not good when he's slow and happy.

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[er88]

Jari has been unlucky. Shame for him

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[René]

You understand what kind of nightmare it is when you have an opponent like Seb Loeb in your career.

[kirungi okwogera]

Loeb has done well here but dont slag off the current drivers.. Loeb wouldnt.

You're right - I don't know whether Loeb's performance is just a consequence of him being one-of-a-kind (or one of two, given the way Ogier has been since his era) or if it's a great set of lucky circumstances that have allowed this. I don't mean to sound like everybody else driving now is trash!

[EstWRC]

Great day from Tänak...victory is still possible!

[dimviii]

Yeah I said on SS2 it'd be hilarious if Loeb shows himself competitive in the slightest with the current guys, the arguments will spread like a rash... oh his road position, oh he's not thinking about the championship, etc. etc.

Just enjoy the show as a guy 5 years retired is in second place at the moment, amongst drivers devoting their every waking moment to this competition. No need to worry about hypotheticals if Ogier was running 10th, or Loeb running 1st, or blah blah blah...

whatever you write,the bullshit will come.
its impossible to avoid it.
Loebphobia cant cure. If you affected,its forever.

[stefanvv]

i said its coming...

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/8GhVsLGOWX0/maxresdefault.jpg

[T16]

Am I right in thinking Kaj Lindstrom was at Toyota, then not (sure he was looking for a job during the Monte WRC live studio coverage) and now back at Toyota again?
What went on?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Nightmare day for Neuville after a good start.

[focus206]

Good job by Loeb, curious to see his pace tomorrow. Very nice times by Sordo as well.
Neuville was unlucky with these technical problems, at this point he can count only on trouble ahead, difficult gaining positions by speed only with these margins, even if there are plenty of Kms left.

[dimviii]

Great day from Tänak...victory is still possible!

this is a chance for Tanak and Meeke to grab points ,as Ogier and Neuville are not doing so well.

[KKS]

Meeke in trouble... again 2nd stage in a row

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Meeke's spun...

[er88]

2 spins in a row for Meeke. That's chucking away time

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[EstWRC]

lookin at the splits even without the spin he would have lost the position to Ott but only with a one second or so instead of ten seconds.

[er88]

Those two spins have cost Meeke any chance of a win. Sordo will have 30/40seconds over him and Tanak and Loeb have a gap over him too now

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[wrc2017]

only drops 5 to Sordo

[EstWRC]

Those two spins have cost Meeke any chance of a win. Sordo will have 30/40seconds over him and Tanak and Loeb have a gap over him too now

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i see 13 seconds gap to Tänak only and even Ogier is only 31 secs behind!

[dimviii]

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/8GhVsLGOWX0/maxresdefault.jpg

http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_03_2018/post-365-0-39764800-1520638720.jpg

[EstWRC]

Joint fastest time for Loeb with Tänak!

we have an epic battle tomorrow guys.

what a day from maestro!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Sordo on Loeb chasing him down .. "f**king hell !"

[N.O.T]

Can someone remind that french guy that he is 44 years old ? This is not right....

[kirungi okwogera]

Sordo on Loeb chasing him down .. "f**king hell !"

If they stay 1st and 2nd Hyundai should make him slow down for Loeb, for old times' sake, remind him of the good old days at Citroën.

[dimviii]

after 9 championships i was sure he is human.

Now i am not sure.

[stefanvv]

http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_03_2018/post-365-0-39764800-1520638720.jpg

Elaborate if You wish?

[N.O.T]

If they stay 1st and 2nd Hyundai should make him slow down for Loeb, for old times' sake, remind him of the good old days at Citroën.

try some hemoroid cream for your pain.... it will not stop it but you might feel a bit better.

[dimviii]

Can someone remind that french guy that he is 44 years old ? This is not right....

you mean that one that he was fast because he was on big budget teams , helped him with team orders,and always had cars builded JUST for him?

[kirungi okwogera]

try some hemoroid cream for your pain.... it will not stop it but you might feel a bit better.
edit (unlike dimviii above!)

You misread me... I like Loeb, I think it's insane he's in 2nd! I just think it's funny to think what it'd do to poor Dani Sordo mentally to bring him back to the bad old days where he handed Loeb a win or two on team orders.

[dimviii]

Elaborate if You wish?

its coming i said.Wait.

[EstWRC]

ah cmon guys stop being like that...we have an epic battle in front and enjoy it.

good night and see ya tomorrow.

[EightGear]

What a guy....

Also someone mentioned it before, but it must be written in the stars that Sordo is being caught by Loeb. Finally he's having a good rally again, just when his old foe turn up for the first time in years.

It's like it's meant to be and Sordo knows it as well judging by his quote: "Loeb is coming fast now, f***ing hell."

[N.O.T]

you mean that one that he was fast because he was on big budget teams , helped him with team orders,and always had cars builded JUST for him?

no the other guy... the one who won 9 consecutive titles because sordo was slowed down for him to win.... and the one who ran away because Ogier was faster than him...

LOL

[seb_sh]

Loeb vs Sordo is no contest, if Ogier or Tanak don't make a challenge Loeb will win this. And if he does we can close that other thread...

[kirungi okwogera]

What a guy....

Also someone mentioned it before, but it must be written in the stars that Sordo is being caught by Loeb. Finally he's having a good rally again, just when his old foe turn up for the first time in years.

It's like it's meant to be and Sordo knows it as well judging by his quote: "Loeb is coming fast now, f***ing hell."

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I'm sayin' though!

[stefanvv]

its coming i said.Wait.

I read these words 10x times. Just didn't understood the picture, I see You don't understand it too.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Great evenings rally action and ALL LIVE did a fine job.

And Loeb really is back.

[kirungi okwogera]

Is ALL LIVE worth it? Rather than following splits, radio, and social media etc.? Do they do it like the televised live stages with in-car to helicopter for most coverage?

[N.O.T]

edit (unlike dimviii above!)

You misread me... I like Loeb, I think it's insane he's in 2nd! I just think it's funny to think what it'd do to poor Dani Sordo mentally to bring him back to the bad old days where he handed Loeb a win or two on team orders.

another suggestion then...

https://i.imgur.com/aCvA188.png

[dimviii]

Loeb vs Sordo is no contest, if Ogier or Tanak don't make a challenge Loeb will win this. And if he does we can close that other thread...

he doesnt have to win.Even if he crashes at net one,he showed why he is the Boss.

http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_03_2018/post-1429-0-87264100-1520638920.jpg

[er88]

Great evenings rally action and ALL LIVE did a fine job.

And Loeb really is back.Thought AllLive wasn't great at all for the 2nd loop. Always going back to the rotating map as pictures kept cutting out, missed Lappi and Suninen's offs, missed Meeke's two spins and no replay of any of it...

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[KKS]

missed Lappi and Suninen's offs, missed Meeke's two spins and no replay of any of it...

We talk about it many times. They CAN'T show you that was not captured live or when chased by heli.

[dimviii]

I read these words 10x times. Just didn't understood the picture, I see You don't understand it too.


Yeah, alright. Even newcomers can win rallies with the right car with current technical rules and road position, ref. Lappi. I don't think it's something extraordinary, but ok, still an achievement.


it came.

[Alex009]

Whats the situation with Jari's Yaris?

[N.O.T]

Whats the situation with Jari's Yaris?

preparation by a village team....

[kirungi okwogera]

another suggestion then...

https://i.imgur.com/aCvA188.png

you're right, and by the time I wake up he'll probably have passed sordo outright anyway. funnier my way though.

[dimviii]

also dont forget that these last 2 years the competition was much better than Loebs years.

lololol

[steve.mandzij]

preparation by a village team....You're more backwards than South Sudan.

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[KKS]

So Neuville still will be open the road tomorrow. Tnx to himself, Lappi and Suninen

[KKS]

TGR_WRC‏ @TGR_WRC (https://twitter.com/TGR_WRC)
Unfortunately car #7 Jari-Matti Latvala / Miikka Anttila had to stop for today, alternator failure. Will restart tomorrow. @JariMattiWRC (https://twitter.com/JariMattiWRC) @OfficialWRC (https://twitter.com/OfficialWRC)

Not a big surprise after that stage-end comments

[Alex009]

So Neuville still will be open the road tomorrow. Tnx to himself, Lappi and Suninen

Lappi and Suninen will be first if they are continuing?

[KKS]

Lappi and Suninen will be first if they are continuing?
no. Start after Sordo

[N.O.T]

You're more backwards than South Sudan.

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whats wrong with south sudan ?

[steve.mandzij]

TGR_WRC‏ @TGR_WRC (https://twitter.com/TGR_WRC)
Unfortunately car #7 Jari-Matti Latvala / Miikka Anttila had to stop for today, alternator failure. Will restart tomorrow. @JariMattiWRC (https://twitter.com/JariMattiWRC) @OfficialWRC (https://twitter.com/OfficialWRC)

Not a big surprise after that stage-end comments
His luck is incredible. Poor Jari :(

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[er88]

Not great for Jari's championship. Unlucky

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[Alex009]

His luck is incredible. Poor Jari :(


It's not luck, it's Toyota.

[dimviii]

pitty for Jari.Completely unlucky

[dimviii]

Kalle Rovanpera
If you are interested to see what happened to us on stage 2, our onboard is now live on WRC+
I recommend to watch the whole thing from the start but our incident happens from 8:10 onwards.
https://twitter.com/KalleRovanpera/status/972259742264381441

[KKS]

Somewhere here someones comment about Finnish, teams and barns

[dimviii]

eWRC-results
#WRC stage win no. 905 for @SebastienLoeb @DanosElena ! He won stage again after 3 years, 1 month and 13 days! #Legend @CitroenRacing Results

[janvanvurpa]

Loeb into 2nd? Chrissakes. If he doesn't have an off or something he could be heading for a win. I don't know what that says about Loeb - or about everybody driving since the Loeb era. The dude is absurd. This shouldn't be possible, even with road position advantage.


What it says is most people simply repeat crap that other people spew out...totally without ever thinking..

(just as an example...some fool says "that guy is TOO OLD top drive WRC"...Next guy repeats it without wondering if and why the first guys actually knows anything about what it takes to drive WRC and if he himself knows anything at all...he just repeats it. just like everybody always says "Its soooooooooooooooooooooo much faster now" in our poor little championship here.....Oh I see...an average speed of 93 km/hr today is sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much faster than a average speed of 93 km/hr 20 years ago...)

It says that the degree of hype in the TV is rather high, the claimed needs for superman like strength and physical conditioning is exaggerated rediculously and the role of routine and experience and knowledge is muted.

[KKS]

Sordo lost 2.4 sec to Tanak on those two SSS. Meeke 3.5sec :(

[steve.mandzij]

I must say, while Latvala's day ended so unfairly, he was going well until his retirement all things considered. In fact, he was second fastest with then alternator issue too. If he hadn't had the issue I reckon he could have finally taken his first stage win of the year. I'm counting it :)

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[stefanvv]

it came.

What's wrong with You? Did I said something against Loeb? What came? failed answer, for a thousand time.

[steve.mandzij]

What's wrong with You? Did I said something against Loeb? What came? failed answer, for a thousand time.It's just a silly silly joke. Chill.

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[stefanvv]

It's just a silly silly joke. Chill.

I know it is silly, but can't help obviously.

[rayh_mx]

After saw Loeb twice today and see his time... Loeb says... Pero sigo siendo el Rey

[Andre Oliveira]

Road order to saturday: https://www.rallymexico.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/5.4-Start-List-Section-4-TC10D-Saturday-10th-March-2018.pdf

[racerx1979]

Good to see Lappi and Jarri back for tomorrow.

[cali]

You understand what kind of nightmare it is when you have an opponent like Seb Loeb in your career.They say that in his era the competition was weak. He returned and immediately showed some pace. And he is still lacking some confidence to push extremely hard. What a man!

When I saw Loeb's testing videos... Very nice and controlled 4wheel slides like in the good old days for the God of rallying..... In my head I thought that given his starting position maybe he has a chance to be in top 3. In a supposedly the most competitive era for many decades, after being 5 years away from the top competition.....

It just absolutely amazing.

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[HaCo]

Neuville back first on the road then today.

He did well the first few stages until SSS, it could have looked better at the end of the day.

I hope he, and also his car, keeps it togheter to get some points out of this rally and maybe also power stage points, we'll see.

[AnttiL]

Road order to saturday: https://www.rallymexico.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/5.4-Start-List-Section-4-TC10D-Saturday-10th-March-2018.pdf

Neuville must be happy to clean the road another day...wouldn't it be more fair to put the rally2 guys first on the road?

What a Black Friday for Finnish rally fans...

[EstWRC]

Michelin video https://youtu.be/UEti8PeJI3E

[Slazwierder]

Road order to saturday: https://www.rallymexico.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/5.4-Start-List-Section-4-TC10D-Saturday-10th-March-2018.pdf
Why is JML starting 2nd?

[AnttiL]

Why is JML starting 2nd?

Start order was decided on the overall result before superspecials

[cali]

Tänak to estonian media - Loeb's speed makes me sad. It feels like during all those years we haven't progressed at all. Hats off to him. He has done a very good job today and it's really incredible. Tomorrow we have equal starting positions. Our plan is to go faster.



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[EstWRC]

Just wanted to post this Cali. And he took his hat off at the press conference or at meet the crews (depends how do you wanna call it) :)

[CWJ]

Rally2 should be mentioned in penalties list

[AnttiL]

Difficult situation for Neuville being 2 minutes off the lead with no one behind either. He can only hope for someone to run into trouble ahead of him. Maybe some power stage points, because finally he won't be the first on the road and it will be the second run of the stage.