[WRC] 86th Rallye Monte-Carlo 2018 (Jan 22-28)

[Andre Oliveira]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DD-SCMaWsAAUY5G?format=jpg&name=large

[jbmarcus21]

ACM revealed today new itinerary and road program for next Wrc Monte Carlo 2018 → http://bit.ly/2uPvq49

[Andre Oliveira]

Many news. Who knows the zone? Better?

[KumpuTeemu]

Which one is the easiest way to compare that new route to 2017's route? How much there will be new roads?

[AnttiL]

Which one is the easiest way to compare that new route to 2017's route? How much there will be new roads?

Just by looking at the names, lengths and places on the map:

Bayons - Breziers and Saint-Léger-les-Mélèzes - La Bâtie-Neuve are about the same as last year.
La Bollène-Vésubie - Peïra Cava is shortened a bit. Lardier-et-Valença - Oze is shortened to start from Vitrolles. Agnières-en-Dévoluy - Le Motty is stretched to Corps.
Thoard - Sisteron, Roussieux – Eygalayes, Vaumeilh – Claret and La Cabanette – Col de Braus are new (from 2016).

[GigiGalliNo1]

Love to go again, leave the Australian heat at 39degrees to be in the show covered roads and freezing temps! hah

[jbmarcus21]

New update road program include TIMETABLE of all stages MC'18 → http://bit.ly/2uPvq49

[Atob WRC]

Beginning to study the MonteCarlo route!!

I would like to visit the Roussieux-Eygalayes stage....for me, one of the special stages that probably not has been run in this version.

It seems that Laborel has to be crossed, and runs trough Col St. Jean, always spectacular, more depending the meteo, if we remember the 2009 edition with a lot of snow in the Col.

Here I post our video, to remember the last edition!

MonteCarlo it's coming!!!!

https://youtu.be/K2VUHXRuAD4

[go mads]

Does anyone have any maps for Sunday stages. I know there on planet marcus but I can't seem to open on phone. Are there any official ones with spectator info yet ? Thanks in advance

[Andre Oliveira]

So Monte-Carlo:

1 Ogier / Ingrassia
2 Evans / Barrit
3 Camilli / Veillas ???

4 Neuville / Gilsoul
5 Mikkelsen / Jæger
6 Sordo / Martí

7 Tänak / Jarveöja
8 Latvala / Anttila
9 Lappi / Ferm

10 Meeke / Nagle
11 Lefebvre / Moreau
12 Breen / Martin

[Simmi]

Really hoping Citroen can find enough self respect to run 3 cars next year. Ford third car and privateers is the only bit of intrigue left now really.

[er88]

Really hoping Citroen can find enough self respect to run 3 cars next year. Ford third car and privateers is the only bit of intrigue left now really.Would not surprise me to see Meeke and Breen in a 2 car team for some rounds. The sheikh/Loeb and maybe Lefebrve running in a 3rd car on the least costly events. Lefebrve in the r5 for a lot of wrc2.

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[JTGANG]

Abbring understand will be there with Fiesta R5

[JTGANG]

3 days prior to closing of entries and totally silence here.....Anybody knows guys will participate ???? There will be a Greek crew in small category with R2 ..... Meantime still awaiting for Citroen and M-Sport 3rd driver

[AnttiL]

3 days prior to closing of entries and totally silence here.....Anybody knows guys will participate ???? There will be a Greek crew in small category with R2 ..... Meantime still awaiting for Citroen and M-Sport 3rd driver

Kalle Rovanperä with TGS Skoda Fabia R5, since the factory team is skipping the event. It's sure weird that we still don't know the third drivers of those factory teams.

[Watson]

Kalle Rovanperä with TGS Skoda Fabia R5, since the factory team is skipping the event. It's sure weird that we still don't know the third drivers of those factory teams.

I suppose Citroen and M- Sport are going to make official announcements right before the release of the starters list.

[AnttiL]

I suppose Citroen and M- Sport are going to make official announcements right before the release of the starters list.

Entries close on 22th Dec and Entires should be published on 12th Jan

[EstWRC]

usually after the closing the entries are starting to leak

[Watson]

Well with Citroen I'm pretty sure it will be Meeke (since he's the teamleader), Breen (he did exceptionally well last year with the '16 spec DS3) and Lefebvre (it is supposed to be one of his stronger rounds).

For M-Sport the third car will be either Camilli or Suninen, probably Camilli because again it is one of his stronger rounds. I mean if Tidemand or someone else was in the mix I guess we would have heard a noise or two by now.

[AnttiL]

Well with Citroen I'm pretty sure it will be Meeke (since he's the teamleader), Breen (he did exceptionally well last year with the '16 spec DS3) and Lefebvre (it is supposed to be one of his stronger rounds).

For M-Sport the third car will be either Camilli or Suninen, probably Camilli because again it is one of his stronger rounds. I mean if Tidemand or someone else was in the mix I guess we would have heard a noise or two by now.

Elementary dear Watson, but Tidemand already announced his Skoda contract, and with Østberg's announcement of going to WRC2 it seems it cannot be anyone else than those two for M-Sport. For Citroen, we don't know yet if they are running two or three cars from the main team but Meeke and Breen truly seem confirmed, having been testing.

[Tarmop]

I can`t think of a reason, why Škoda wouldn`t allow Tidemand participate in a WRC car with M-sport on those rallys they don`t take part of. Especially with these rumours about Škoda WRC in near future, experience is needed. The biggest issue would probably be that M-Sport wants money, Tidemand and his manager aren`t paying customers.

Also, Ostberg is still working for a competitive WRC in an official team and WRC2 is still just an option.

[AnttiL]

I can`t think of a reason, why Škoda wouldn`t allow Tidemand participate in a WRC car with M-sport on those rallys they don`t take part of. Especially with these rumours about Škoda WRC in near future, experience is needed. The biggest issue would probably be that M-Sport wants money, Tidemand and his manager aren`t paying customers.

All I know that Esapekka Lappi wasn't allowed to test the Toyota Yaris WRC when he was driving for Skoda (or at least that's what they officially said). https://www.mtv.fi/sport/ralli/uutinen/artikkeli/tommi-makinen-vakuuttui-15-vuotiaan-suomalaislupauksen-wrc-testista-hyva-ote-autoon/6019398#gs.Z=ZtrR4 (in Finnish, at the very end of the article)

[AL14]

After two years in a row I will watch this from home. Will miss the thick air of the early morning af the french alps, the fans fires near the stage and the halo of history you can feel in those streets.

I will not miss the cold and the early morning alarm clock though :D

Curious to see Tanak in the new car, Ogier motivations after a strange silly season and how Neuville will start the new season.
Also curious about young guns Rovanpera driving in this rally (he will participate right?), Huttunen (is he in the list as well?) and I hope Suninen will join Fiestas for the whole season or a large part of it.

Can't wait the new season to start.

[pantealex]

Huttunen will start from Sweden, also Östberg has said he will not do Monte.

Is that "Autoshow" where teams will present their liverys before that publishing of entry list (12.january) ?

[Simmi]

Huttunen will start from Sweden, also Östberg has said he will not do Monte.

Is that "Autoshow" where teams will present their liverys before that publishing of entry list (12.january) ?

Yes I believe the press day was on Thursday 11th at Autosport International.

[dupanton]

Ogier Fiesta WRC
Evans Fiesta WRC
Camilli?? Fiesta WRC
Neuville I20 WRC
Mikkelsen I20 WRC
Sordo I20 WRC
Meeke C3 WRC
Breen? C3 WRC
Lefebvre? C3 WRC
Latvala Yaris WRC
Tanak Yaris WRC
Lappi Yaris WRC

Arzeno Fabia R5 ?
Bouffier Fabia R5
Rovanpera Fabia R5
Veiby Fabia R5 ?
Abbring Fiesta R5
Burri Fiesta R5
Vossen Fiesta R5
Huttunen I20 R5 ?
Sarrazin I20 R5
De Mevius 208 R5
Bonato DS3 R5 ?

Delecour Vantage

Poizot Clio R3t

Dolce 208 R2
Fostier 208 R2
Latil 208 R2
Oberti 208 R2
Scherrer 208 R2
Jassaud Twingo R2

This is what I got out of different sources. Don't shoot me if not everything is correct, feel free to add names!
I read on a French forum that Huttunen did a PET Monte test, so maybe he will be there??

[JTGANG]

Seems like ACM will not need to cut any entries from the max number of 80 .....

[pantealex]

There actually was pictures of Huttunen doing tests in Monte condition (with 18" wheels) but official info is still starting from Sweden.

[dupanton]

Update:

Ogier Fiesta WRC
Evans Fiesta WRC
Camilli?? Fiesta WRC
Neuville I20 WRC
Mikkelsen I20 WRC
Sordo I20 WRC
Meeke C3 WRC
Breen C3 WRC
Latvala Yaris WRC
Tanak Yaris WRC
Lappi Yaris WRC

Arzeno Fabia R5 ?
Bouffier Fabia R5
Rovanpera Fabia R5
Veiby Fabia R5 ?
Abbring Fiesta R5
Burri Fiesta R5
Suninen Fiesta R5?
Vossen Fiesta R5
Giordano I20? R5
Huttunen I20 R5 ?
Sarrazin I20 R5
De Mevius 208 R5
Bonato DS3 R5 ?

Delecour Vantage

Poizot Clio R3t

Dolce 208 R2
Fostier 208 R2
Latil 208 R2
Oberti 208 R2
Scherrer 208 R2
Franseschi Fiesta R2t
Jassaud Twingo R2

Berard Twingo R1
Martini Twingo R1

[electroliquid]

Lithuanian crew Jocius/Zvicevičius should be there, car TBA, last year drove EvoX.

[JTGANG]

Also Greek driver Nikos Pavlidis with co-driver Allan Harryman and Peugeot 208 R2

[Eli]

When do the entries close today?

[JTGANG]

When do the entries close today?

Officially today but programme does not specify time

[br21]

Sunninen is sure with R5 Fiesta, Jocius with 208 R2

[Essaj]

When dose people learn to write Suninen...

[RICARDO75]

When dose people learn to write Suninen...

lol... "dose" people

[Essaj]

lol... "dose" people

exactly, dose/does sounds same but it's not. Just like with Teemu's surname.

[steve.mandzij]

exactly, dose/does sounds same but it's not. Just like with Teemu's surname.Except dose and does don't sound the same; does and those do.

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[Revman]

Newbie question: Let's say a stage or two in Monte has big snow. Can the teams elect to run the gravel/snow spec tire/wheel, or does Michelin mandate the tarmac spec size? I was watching some testing video from Monte, and my mind started to race....

[Mirek]

That's not Michelin requirement but the tyre size is strictly set in supplementary regulations of the event. Usually they allow narrow tyres for small cars but not for 4WD. The reason is partially in Monte Carlo being declared as asphalt event, i.e. with asphalt brakes and asphalt suspension package. For using small snow wheels You need to change a lot of other things on the car (for example asphalt brake discs can't fit into them).

In times of IRC it was still allowed to cut the wide tyres extensively and in those times in case of big snow they for example completely removed the middle stripe of rubber blocks from the tyre and every second block from side stripes. The tyres looked almost like for tractor - like on these pictures:
https://www.ewrc.cz/images/2009/irc/monte-carlo/sa_a_271_hanninen_5.jpg
https://www.ewrc.cz/images/2009/irc/monte-carlo/gr_c_163_meeke_2.jpg

[AnttiL]

learn to write Suninen...

Remember: The Sun is a newspaper in England. Sun in EN.

[dupanton]

Update:

Ogier Fiesta WRC
Evans Fiesta WRC
Camilli?? Fiesta WRC
Neuville I20 WRC
Mikkelsen I20 WRC
Sordo I20 WRC
Meeke C3 WRC
Breen C3 WRC
Latvala Yaris WRC
Tanak Yaris WRC
Lappi Yaris WRC

Arzeno Fabia R5 ?
Bouffier Fabia R5 / Fiesta WRC??
Carret Fabia R5
Rovanpera Fabia R5
Veiby Fabia R5 ?
Abbring Fiesta R5
Burri Fiesta R5
Suninen Fiesta R5?
Vossen Fiesta R5
Giordano I20? R5
Huttunen I20 R5 ?
Sarrazin I20 R5
De Mevius 208 R5
Bonato DS3 R5 ?

Delecour Vantage

Poizot Clio R3t

Dolce 208 R2
Jocius 208 R2
Fostier 208 R2
Latil 208 R2
Molle 208 R2
Oberti 208 R2
Pavlidis 208 R2
Scherrer 208 R2
Franseschi Fiesta R2t
Jassaud Twingo R2

Berard Twingo R1
Martini Twingo R1

[AnttiL]

https://www.rally-maps.com/Rallye-Monte-Carlo-2018/

maps on rally-maps

[BigWorm]

I guess the C3 R5 is not homologated in time for Monte? Would have been a good opportunity for Lefebvre to rack up early big points in an event he's quick on.

[ESTR]

They still could get him ds3 r5. I'm sure that he could score some good points even with that car, but still better than nothing

[Revman]

That's not Michelin requirement but the tyre size is strictly set in supplementary regulations of the event. Usually they allow narrow tyres for small cars but not for 4WD. The reason is partially in Monte Carlo being declared as asphalt event, i.e. with asphalt brakes and asphalt suspension package. For using small snow wheels You need to change a lot of other things on the car (for example asphalt brake discs can't fit into them).

In times of IRC it was still allowed to cut the wide tyres extensively and in those times in case of big snow they for example completely removed the middle stripe of rubber blocks from the tyre and every second block from side stripes. The tyres looked almost like for tractor - like on these pictures:
https://www.ewrc.cz/images/2009/irc/monte-carlo/sa_a_271_hanninen_5.jpg
https://www.ewrc.cz/images/2009/irc/monte-carlo/gr_c_163_meeke_2.jpg

So, Michelin would provide snow tires/studs in the asphalt spec size I assume?

[denkimi]

That's not Michelin requirement but the tyre size is strictly set in supplementary regulations of the event. Usually they allow narrow tyres for small cars but not for 4WD. The reason is partially in Monte Carlo being declared as asphalt event, i.e. with asphalt brakes and asphalt suspension package. For using small snow wheels You need to change a lot of other things on the car (for example asphalt brake discs can't fit into them).

In times of IRC it was still allowed to cut the wide tyres extensively and in those times in case of big snow they for example completely removed the middle stripe of rubber blocks from the tyre and every second block from side stripes. The tyres looked almost like for tractor - like on these pictures:


in the IRC they could also use snow tyres and studded tyres.

[macebig]

Hey, any news about Astier?

[Mirek]

in the IRC they could also use snow tyres and studded tyres.

The rules for 4WD were nearly same as today. Wide 18" tyres with certain amount of studs (short ones) allowed. The difference was in allowed cutting and in number of tyres but the basic wide snow tyre design today is same as in IRC times.


So, Michelin would provide snow tires/studs in the asphalt spec size I assume?

Yes, just not only Michelin.

[Andre Oliveira]

Rumours about Bouffier in 3rd M-Sport car. Comeback to specialists days?

[steve.mandzij]

Rumours about Bouffier in 3rd M-Sport car. Comeback to specialists days?Pleeeease let the specialist days come back! I loved the diversity of having Rovanperä on one rally and Panizzi on the next.

I will ask though, who was Peugeot's tarmac specialist in 2004? I know that Panizzi was with them during the 206 days, but in 2004 he did some outings with the shitty Lancer. Was it Freddy Loix, or did he also share events with others like Cedric Robert?

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[Barreis]

I should say both, Loix and Robert. but Loix somehow didn't have confidence for that team...

[AnttiL]

The difference is that M-sport needs money from drivers, they're not really hiring specialists for certain events. If, say, Suninen doesn't have the budget for a whole season, the seat's open for anyone with a bag of cash on the remaining events.

[dimviii]

I should say both, Loix and Robert. but Loix somehow didn't have confidence for that team...

did he had in Mitsubishi days?

[Barreis]

did he had in Mitsubishi days?

no, but he was good in toyota days

[dimviii]

no, but he was good in toyota days

what did he achieved as he was ''confident'' at Toyota?

[Barreis]

well, he posted some good stage times and finished good on some rallies. that's why mitsu signed him, right?!

[dimviii]

well, he posted some good stage times and finished good on some rallies. that's why mitsu signed him, right?!

so he did nothing, while he was at several years at works teams with top championship winning cars at their era.

[macebig]

well, he posted some good stage times and finished good on some rallies. that's why mitsu signed him, right?!

Not really. Cowan signed him partly because he was coming with a very nice Marlboro sponsorship. He showed some flashes of speed with the Celica and the Corolla, but never kept on his early promises.

[tommeke_B]

so he did nothing, while he was at several years at works teams with top championship winning cars at their era.
Maybe you have to look to the archives to see what he did... ;) He actually finished 2nd in his first WRC event with a 4WD car, and after that did more podiums with Toyota. Freddy is a driver with a lot of technical knowledge (that's why Skoda worked with him for the development of the Fabia S2000 and R5, or why he is still doing the testing-work for Michelin to develop their tires). But I think he can't perform well when not everything is to his liking, which was the case at Mitsubishi and Peugeot with the whale. Going to Mitsubishi was the biggest mistake in his career. Saying "he did nothing" is completely wrong, dimviii. ;)

[dimviii]

Maybe you have to look to the archives to see what he did... ;) He actually finished 2nd in his first WRC event with a 4WD car, and after that did more podiums with Toyota. Freddy is a driver with a lot of technical knowledge (that's why Skoda worked with him for the development of the Fabia S2000 and R5, or why he is still doing the testing-work for Michelin to develop their tires). But I think he can't perform well when not everything is to his liking, which was the case at Mitsubishi and Peugeot with the whale. Going to Mitsubishi was the biggest mistake in his career. Saying "he did nothing" is completely wrong, dimviii. ;)

Tom all these are well known,but the fact is that while he was with very strong financial backing, for plenty of years,at championship winning works teams/cars he won nothing.

[ESTR]

Tom all these are well known,but the fact is that while he was with very strong financial backing, for plenty of years,at championship winning works teams/cars he won nothing.

So that means that counts only if you win championship? Or some rallies... If some guys didn't won either of that and bring some valuable points to the team that doen't mean anything??

[macebig]

Well, outside of Acropolis 99,I can't recall any time that Loix matched Makinen through their 3 years as team mates. And he was away from Marcus in 2004. Maybe his Safari crash in 1999 had a bad influence on his career.

[dimviii]

So that means that counts only if you win championship? Or some rallies... If some guys didn't won either of that and bring some valuable points to the team that doen't mean anything??

yes if you are for 15 years with works teams and won nothing,you did nothing.

[AnttiL]

Maybe you have to look to the archives to see what he did... He actually finished 2nd in his first WRC event with a 4WD car, and after that did more podiums with Toyota.

He did already 4WD WRC events in 1996. He didn't finish 2nd until in Portugal 1997 where almost all works drivers retired. Two podiums in 1998 with good performances, but after that, lots of crashing and being off the pace.

[TWRC]

Well, outside of Acropolis 99,I can't recall any time that Loix matched Makinen through their 3 years as team mates. And he was away from Marcus in 2004. Maybe his Safari crash in 1999 had a bad influence on his career.
Cyprus 2000 maybe too, he won 2 stages if I remember well, but was hindered by mechanical problems and a roll so finished about 8th.

[Barreis]

I really don't know why are we talking about Loix here, it's wrong thread. it's probably for Rally Discussion and bar talk...

[steve.mandzij]

I really don't know why are we talking about Loix here, it's wrong thread. it's probably for Rally Discussion and bar talk...Oops

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[Simmi]

It's behind a paywall but apparently this article says that Camilli and Suninen will both run R5 cars on the Monte.

http://www.nicematin.com/auto/onze-wrc-a-l-affiche-de-la-rentree-des-glaces-195235

Hat tip to @Traxx_WiF on Twitter for finding it.

[traxx]

Here is the complete news :

https://www.pressreader.com/france/nice-matin-cannes/20171226/281831464102630

[Alex009]

Bouffier in third Fiesta Wrc?

[dupanton]

Bouffier in third Fiesta Wrc?

If I understood it correctly, he is still searching the budget required...

[ESTR]

Apparently soon will hyundai and toyota announce that only two cars will be on the lists... budget budget budget...

[4Regioni]

Andrea Coti Zelati (Citroen DS3 R3T)

[Watson]

Sources for Bouffier in third Fiesta?

[AnttiL]

Sources for Bouffier in third Fiesta?

There was a news link just a few posts back

[Watson]

There was a news link just a few posts back

Oh I'm sorry. This thread gathered pace more quickly than I was aware of. I looked into it. He finished second in a Fiesta WRC in 2014 in Monte. He'd have a disadvantage cause he doesn't know the car but he seems to know hos way around Monte.

[Tarmop]

Apparently soon will hyundai and toyota announce that only two cars will be on the lists... budget budget budget...

M-Sport with two paid drivers and one or more pay driver isn`t new policy. No point to compare them with rich teams that don`t have that kind of an issue.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

What was the funding for the 3rd M-Sport car in 2017, did DMACK pay for everything ?

It's shame that in 2018 when M-Sport has more Ford support but no permanent 3rd car ...

[AnttiL]

M-Sport with two paid drivers and one or more pay driver isn`t new policy. No point to compare them with rich teams that don`t have that kind of an issue.

This year Citroen and Toyota started the season with only two 2017 cars.

But it's true that without DMack money M-Sport can't afford a regular third car like this year.

[Tarmop]

Well, money wasn`t the issue, number of cars was the question (ok you can say that Toyota had a learning year and they spent as much as they had to but not more...like also in the end) and Citroen was still there with one DS3, apart from rallys in S.-America.

[RS]

Article a few pages back mentions Kopecky in a Fabia on Monte, but I thought Skoda Motorsport were skipping this round?

[PLuto]

The difference is that M-sport needs money from drivers, they're not really hiring specialists for certain events. If, say, Suninen doesn't have the budget for a whole season, the seat's open for anyone with a bag of cash on the remaining events.

If M-Sport will hire Bryan, he will definitely not bring enough money to satisfy their budget...

[AnttiL]

If M-Sport will hire Bryan, he will definitely not bring enough money to satisfy their budget...

You mean, "Bryan hires from M-Sport"

[Tarmop]

Article a few pages back mentions Kopecky in a Fabia on Monte, but I thought Skoda Motorsport were skipping this round?

Rented maybe?

[RS]

Rented maybe?

Possibly.. Rovanpera is allowed to do the same so maybe that's one way for Kopecky to get a full WRC2 season.

[jbmarcus21]

Here it is ! The first of the year is now available : #MonteCarlo18 Google Earth Map (made in @dim_ISAM ) is online ► http://bit.ly/2uPvq49

[PLuto]

You mean, "Bryan hires from M-Sport"

No, I mean what I wrote...

[AnttiL]

No, I mean what I wrote...

M-Sport would pay Bryan for driving?

[Barreis]

m-sport would pay bryan for driving?

lol

[AnttiL]

lol

Indeed

[Simmi]

In the history of WRC plenty of guys drove cars for nothing.

[Barreis]

Indeed

hardly

[pantealex]

https://www.rallye-sport.fr/premiere-liste-monte-carlo-2018/

Some different names than speculated here.

[AnttiL]

https://www.rallye-sport.fr/premiere-liste-monte-carlo-2018/

Some different names than speculated here.

https://rallysportmag.com/provisional-monte-carlo-entry-list-released/

Why would not Rovanperä and Veiby go for WRC2 points?

[RS]

https://rallysportmag.com/provisional-monte-carlo-entry-list-released/

Why would not Rovanperä and Veiby go for WRC2 points?

I presume they can only nominate a certain number of rounds for WRC2 points and they are not too confident of scoring well on Monte?

[RS]

I'm happy to see Bouffier get the third Fiesta if that is indeed confirmed, but I won't be expecting too much from him this time with a new type of car and new and inexperienced co-driver.

[mousti]

I'm happy to see Bouffier get the third Fiesta if that is indeed confirmed, but I won't be expecting too much from him this time with a new type of car and new and inexperienced co-driver.

If it's Jerome Degout then he has a quite good and experienced co driver next to him.

[br21]

Theoretically if you don't go as Priority 2 driver (so non WRC2 entry) and FIA will not nominate you then you have much more freedom with tires, so maybe that is also one of the reasons of Rovanpera and Veiby decisions? As we all know tires on Monte might be crucial.
If Bouffier will drive with Degandt then for sure that is very good and experienced codriver. And Bryan has a lot of knowledge about the roads, conditions, etc so he can use as his big advantage over the guys who know their cars better than him.

[RS]

It was written in another thread that his co-driver will be Degout, who was most recently alongside Sylvain Michel.

Hope Bryan will get some good testing in.

[dimviii]

https://www.rally.it/2017/12/alex-fiorio-al-monte-con-labarth-124

[4Regioni]

Sciessere-Zanella (Citroen DS3 R5 - PH Sport)

[4Regioni]

Third Fiat 124 Abarth at Rally Montecarlo: Nucita-Vozzo (Fiorio-D'Amore e Ciamin-De La Haye)

[AnttiL]

https://itgetsfasternow.wordpress.com/2017/12/27/the-route-of-monte-carlo-2018/

I made an analysis of the route and how it differs from the past years.

[EstWRC]

Thoard - Sisteron some days ago

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DSsR5woW4AAbhuy.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DSsSBpYXcAALc8E.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DSsSHVnXkAAmvyD.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DSsSK0-WkAEH-NG.jpg


pics from http://forum-rallye.com/index.php?/topic/3675-rallye-monte-carlo-2018-2228-janvier-wrc/page-25

[bluuford]

Storm is also reaching there there was more snow, followed by rain and now it is plus degrees, so, conditions are going to change a lot. But there is a lot of snow in the alps this year, a lot more than usual.

[Eli]

Thoard - Sisteron some days ago

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DSsR5woW4AAbhuy.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DSsSBpYXcAALc8E.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DSsSHVnXkAAmvyD.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DSsSK0-WkAEH-NG.jpg


pics from http://forum-rallye.com/index.php?/topic/3675-rallye-monte-carlo-2018-2228-janvier-wrc/page-25

Beautiful

[Melmisek]

Does anybody know if there will be free acces from Sospel to Col de Turini? I would like to get there by a motorhome by Saturday night (20:00)?

[wwbroe]

Somebody has by any chance the pasword for RG2? If you don't want to share it in public, maybe with PM? Thanks in advance.;)

[br21]

Somebody has by any chance the pasword for RG2? If you don't want to share it in public, maybe with PM? Thanks in advance.;)

PM me

[satnav]

Somebody has by any chance the pasword for RG2? If you don't want to share it in public, maybe with PM? Thanks in advance.;)

I'd also ask that as well please.

[JTGANG]

Bryan Bouffier just confirmed in Facebook his participation in Monte Carlo and Tour de Corse with M-Sport and Ford Fiesta WRC

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=1614452115306964&id=148123678606489

[tpt010]

I am planning to go to Monte this year. Does anyone have experience on Col de Moissiere? This year it is ZP 6 on SS 10/12 (St. Leger les Melezes - La Batie Neuve). Is the spot reachable only by skis and how is it for spectating? I have been two times in Monte, but always on dry spots and this time I really would like to spectate on snowy conditions. Any other suggestions for Saturday are also appreciated. Thank you.

[rage82]

I am planning to go to Monte this year. Does anyone have experience on Col de Moissiere? This year it is ZP 6 on SS 10/12 (St. Leger les Melezes - La Batie Neuve). Is the spot reachable only by skis and how is it for spectating? I have been two times in Monte, but always on dry spots and this time I really would like to spectate on snowy conditions. Any other suggestions for Saturday are also appreciated. Thank you.

I'm pretty sure you can go to Col de Moissere using a chairlift from Ancelle and the ticket was around 8-10 euro one way. And you have to go back walking if I'm not mistaken. On this same stage there's a nice spot at Ancelle called camping Taillas where Meeke has had a little moment in 2016 and some 300 - 400 meters after the camping there's a slipery uphill hairpin with a nice view of the coming cars.

[KKS]

Anybody knows when entry-list will be published?

[pantealex]

Anybody knows when entry-list will be published?

Friday 12.1

[er88]

Too early for any predicted weather forecasts? Hoping for a very changeable and unpredictable Monte.

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[dimviii]

rallytravel.com‏
@rallytravel
Around 80cm of snow on the Col de Turini today according to our friends at the Trois Vallees Hotel!

[steve.mandzij]

Has Monte ever been cancelled for too much snow?

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[NoFear85]

any photos from stages? conditions?

[tommeke_B]

Has Monte ever been cancelled for too much snow?

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They've cancelled the 2nd run of Turini in 2014, because of too much snow.

[Andre Oliveira]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DTNoMMaXcAAaw_W?format=jpg&name=mediumhttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/DTNoMMZXkAERDUH?format=jpg&name=medium

[denkimi]

They've cancelled the 2nd run of Turini in 2014, because of too much snow.
here's why:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5fMn3RzNog
https://youtu.be/ju490fegFKc?t=8m37s

when even the 4x4 cars have trouble getting up the hill, there is just no point in sending all the 2wd cars in there.

[Mirek]

when even the 4x4 cars have trouble getting up the hill, there is just no point in sending all the 2wd cars in there.

Melichárek had broken gearbox (stuck 3rd gear) and unfortunately he was first one on the road to plough the fresh snow. That was really unfortunate coincidence which led to the cancelation of the stage by him being stuck on the road...

[Tarmop]

Umm, Bouffier with DMacks?

[Andre Oliveira]

No. Michelin. That design are wrong.

[Tarmop]

Ha, small screen, didn't cats photoshop. :D

[4Regioni]

12 WRC in the entry list are: Villa-Michi (Ford Fiesta WRC-Tamauto)
https://www.rally.it/2018/01/wrc-per-villa-michi-al-montecarlo

[Andre Oliveira]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DTUzi0MWAAAH5w4?format=jpg&name=medium
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DTUzi0GXcAAk2xh?format=jpg&name=medium
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DTUzi0KWkAAbtN9?format=jpg&name=medium

[AnttiL]

12 WRC in the entry list are: Villa-Michi (Ford Fiesta WRC-Tamauto)
https://www.rally.it/2018/01/wrc-per-villa-michi-al-montecarlo

A 2017 WRC Fiesta? The entry list would probably say Fiesta RS WRC if it was an older one?

[Simmi]

A 2017 WRC Fiesta? The entry list would probably say Fiesta RS WRC if it was an older one?

You're giving too much credit to the people who put together the entry lists I think.


WRC2 always makes me smile on the Monte. So many drivers giving it respect and not registering. When in reality you just need to not write your car off and you'll probably get a good points haul.

[Mirek]

WRC2 always makes me smile on the Monte. So many drivers giving it respect and not registering. When in reality you just need to not write your car off and you'll probably get a good points haul.

Taking Monte Carlo as a championship event is always a bit of gamble. For sure it's prestigious to win it but it's also an event with higher risk of something unpredictable happening than others. If your goal is to win the title at all cost you don't choose Monte Carlo.

[wwbroe]

Link to entrylist for Monte: http://acm.mc/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/LISTE-ENGAGES-PAR-ORDRE-DE-PRIORITE.pdf (http://acm.mc/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/LISTE-ENGAGES-PAR-ORDRE-DE-PRIORITE.pdf:)

[jacko]

Still disappointed and (a bit) amazed Citroën don't have a third car for example Lefebvre here in rally Monte Carlo. He could be in the game for sure, not for the win but a top five spot was possible so be a good third nominated driver and you need one here because always something happen as MC is a special event with the tricky mixed-conditions.
Specially now whe know Ostbeg will have a third car for Sweden so that third car is (still) available. Also no Bonato, so for sure now no win for Citroën in the R5 class but i guess they don't care about that.

Ans missing in the entry-list some fast French drivers like Michel, Maurin, Rossel and Margaillan.

Had btw also some hoped Hänninen could be with Dmack but that ain't happen but was a good opportunity (for both), maybe that will be happen later on in the season, you never know.

But in the end, 11 strong drivers in the top-class and 6-7 strong drivers in the R5 class so it will be a exited MC-event anyway.

[Barreis]

Link to entrylist for Monte: http://acm.mc/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/LISTE-ENGAGES-PAR-ORDRE-DE-PRIORITE.pdf:)

link doesn't work for me

[A FONDO]

link doesn't work for me

Just delete the : at the end, after "pdf" !!!!!!!!!!!!!! https://i.pinimg.com/736x/b7/e3/4d/b7e34dca7e2acb5d9ae804737cf5b73a--funny-emoticons-lions.jpg

[AnttiL]

Still disappointed and (a bit) amazed Citroën don't have a third car for example Lefebvre here in rally Monte Carlo. He could be in the game for sure, not for the win but a top five spot was possible so be a good third nominated driver and you need one here because always something happen as MC is a special event with the tricky mixed-conditions.Specially now whe know Ostbeg will have a third car for Sweden so that third car is (still) available.
Available if the driver pays for it


Had btw also some hoped Hänninen could be with Dmack but that ain't happen but was a good opportunity (for both), maybe that will be happen later on in the season, you never know.

Hänninen is Toyota's test driver and DMack stopped supporting WRC entries.

[dupanton]

Quite a poor entrylist in R5 I think. Strange that both Bonato and Greensmith are back in R2s (if the entrylist is correct...)

[Mirek]

WRC2 yes, but do You think that the complete R5 list is poor?

Suninen
Kopecký
Abbring
De Mevius
Sciessere
Veiby
Burri
Rovanperä
Giordano
Arzeno
Sarrazin
Carret
Vossen
Boland
McCormack E.

[tpt010]

Would anyone know if the complete route map (with road sections) is available somewhere? Thank you in advance.

[dupanton]

WRC2 yes, but do You think that the complete R5 list is poor?

Suninen
Kopecký
Abbring
De Mevius
Sciessere
Veiby
Burri
Rovanperä
Giordano
Arzeno
Sarrazin
Carret
Vossen
Boland
McCormack E.

I think 15 R5 cars is poor yes. Ifcourse the quality is good, but would have expected more. There were 3 rallies in the Belgian Championship who had more R5 cars... And it's not that it are all top drivers.

[Barreis]

Just delete the : at the end, after "pdf" !!!!!!!!!!!!!! https://i.pinimg.com/736x/b7/e3/4d/b7e34dca7e2acb5d9ae804737cf5b73a--funny-emoticons-lions.jpg

thx. in mozilla you don't see full link adress (on laptop)

[Barreis]

pool: will citroen have any manufacturer's points after MC?!

[N.O.T]

pool: will citroen have any manufacturer's points after MC?!

you want to infest this thread with 2-3 pages of "yes" "no" you crazy boy ?

sounds fun...

yes

[A FONDO]

I think 15 R5 cars is poor yes. Ifcourse the quality is good, but would have expected more. There were 3 rallies in the Belgian Championship who had more R5 cars... And it's not that it are all top drivers.

R5 may seem good on local grounds but in WRC they are boring. R3 and sometimes R2 provide much more fun. Sure it will be the same this year too.

[Mirek]

R5 may seem good on local grounds but in WRC they are boring. R3 and sometimes R2 provide much more fun. Sure it will be the same this year too.

Whaaat?

[EstWRC]

recce of stages 10-12 https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=8&v=55IlqE3rPms

[nafpaktos]

R5 may seem good on local grounds but in WRC they are boring. R3 and sometimes R2 provide much more fun. Sure it will be the same this year too.

r2 and r3 cars are A LOT slower than r5 cars also the r5 drivers are usually(99,9%) better drivers so.......

[A FONDO]

recce of stages 10-12 https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=8&v=55IlqE3rPms

9-11 too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-gYIcTnseM


r2 and r3 cars are A LOT slower than r5 cars also the r5 drivers are usually(99,9%) better drivers so.......
slower but wilder :D

[er88]

Lots of snow and tricky conditions. Wonder how that will look come rally week...

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[Andre Oliveira]

Juuso Pykälistö / Jarmo Lehtinen gravel crew to Teemu Suninen

[Andre Oliveira]

https://scontent.fopo2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/26733861_1761777900541555_2030961472116920345_n.jp g?oh=43c5861245ec894d6960cae60ddc4c03&oe=5AB1C2D1

[JTGANG]

Has anyone to propose any reliable weather forecast site (maybe France) we can trust for the rallye please ???
I am seeing so different predictions from the sites

[skarderud]

Has anyone to propose any reliable weather forecast site (maybe France) we can trust for the rallye please ???
I am seeing so different predictions from the sitesYr.no, works for whole world:)


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[tommeke_B]

https://scontent.fbru1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/26850784_10159846993130150_3992881963419491608_o.j pg?oh=47a479038072195d972df005642e408f&oe=5AE5A78F

https://scontent.fbru1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/26758243_10159846993220150_3188385412710115292_o.j pg?oh=0154fe5fed93f905fdedb5aaae4dad8d&oe=5AF1CAA1

https://scontent.fbru1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/26757848_10159846993520150_1262124168706873832_o.j pg?oh=152ae10443ba0d5913f5b88e906b7648&oe=5AE3FF89

Apparently Pirelli tyres for Abbring-Tsjoen. Both Trayco and Vento are companies owned by Pieter Tsjoen, so not many other sponsors...

[mousti]

Livery for Abbring -Tsjoen Fiesta R5

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1575678795844589&id=181112608634555

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[EstWRC]

Tänak is also ready

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DTwGq6zX4AAb3En.jpg

[cali]

Has anyone to propose any reliable weather forecast site (maybe France) we can trust for the rallye please ???
I am seeing so different predictions from the sitesJust wait for Bluuford ro give his forecast here, problably most reliable source you can find....

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[macebig]

Apparently Pirelli tyres for Abbring-Tsjoen. Both Trayco and Vento are companies owned by Pieter Tsjoen, so not many other sponsors...

Despite the Pirelli stickers, the tires here are undoubtedly Michelin. Maybe he will change at Monte.

[Tarmop]

Just old tyres for transport etc. Would be nice though, if the quote wouldn`t contain all the big pictures. :)

[macebig]

Just old tyres for transport etc. Would be nice though, if the quote wouldn`t contain all the big pictures. :)

Fixed!:)

[Ucci]

https://scontent.fbru1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/26850784_10159846993130150_3992881963419491608_o.j pg?oh=47a479038072195d972df005642e408f&oe=5AE5A78F

https://scontent.fbru1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/26758243_10159846993220150_3188385412710115292_o.j pg?oh=0154fe5fed93f905fdedb5aaae4dad8d&oe=5AF1CAA1

https://scontent.fbru1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/26757848_10159846993520150_1262124168706873832_o.j pg?
oh=152ae10443ba0d5913f5b88e906b7648&oe=5AE3FF89
Apparently Pirelli tyres for Abbring-Tsjoen. Both Trayco and Vento are companies owned by Pieter Tsjoen, so not many other sponsors...
Tsjoen is paying and not driving?? Strange decision....

[Andre Oliveira]

Yes, the car is of him. He is supporting Abbring carreer.

[traxx]

Has anyone to propose any reliable weather forecast site (maybe France) we can trust for the rallye please ???
I am seeing so different predictions from the sites

http://www.meteofrance.com/previsions-meteo-france/hautes-alpes/05

[Mirek]

Tsjoen is paying and not driving?? Strange decision....

He has been doing that for several years already, also with Abbring.

[AnttiL]

Accuweather showing snowfall for this weekend and then ~+10°C for the next week with some rain, also for thursday and friday. Then for saturday and sunday the weather is dropping lower, freezing at lowest, but no more snow or rain. Of course, not very exact a week before the rally.

https://www.accuweather.com/en/fr/gap/136436/daily-weather-forecast/136436?day=6

[RS]

Kopecky will use his Czech Championship 'tricolor' livery on Monte:

https://media.skoda-auto.com/Pictures/_w/171223-SKODA-FABIA-R5-2018_jpg.jpg

[jacko]

M-Sport Ford:
Sebastien Ogier – Simon Jean Joseph
Elfyn Evans – Gwyndaf Evans
Bryan Bouffier - Pascal Enjolras

Hyundai:
Andreas Mikkelsen - Bernt Kollevold
Thierry Neuville – Bruno Thiry
Dani Sordo - Enrique Ojeda

Toyota:
Jari-Matti Latvala - Toni Gardemeister
Esapekka Lappi - Juho Hänninen
Ott Tänak - Martin Kangur

Citroën:
Kris Meeke - Stephen Whitford
Craig Breen – Mikko Hirvonen

[EstWRC]

Rovanpera livery

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DT2Lb90X0AAo9E2.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DT2RbdeVwAAdNKx.jpg

[denkimi]

Tsjoen is paying and not driving?? Strange decision....

more rich drivers should do that.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

M-Sport Ford:
Sebastien Ogier – Simon Jean Joseph
Elfyn Evans – Gwyndaf Evans
Bryan Bouffier - Pascal Enjolras

Hyundai:
Andreas Mikkelsen - Bernt Kollevold
Thierry Neuville – Bruno Thiry
Dani Sordo - Enrique Ojeda

Toyota:
Jari-Matti Latvala - Toni Gardemeister
Esapekka Lappi - Juho Hänninen
Ott Tänak - Martin Kangur

Citroën:
Kris Meeke - Stephen Whitford
Craig Breen – Mikko Hirvonen

Would be nice if you explain that these are the rumoured ice/gravel note crews... and credit Gary Boyd on Twitter.

[KiwiWRCfan]

Would be nice if you explain that these are the rumoured ice/gravel note crews... and credit Gary Boyd on Twitter.

Jacko had posted on this forum prior to my twitter post. If I knew Jacko's name on twitter I would have credited him ;-)

[A FONDO]

Would be nice if you explain that these are the rumoured ice/gravel note crews... and credit Gary Boyd on Twitter.

.. and who's the co-driver for them

[Rally Hokkaido]

M-Sport Ford:
Sebastien Ogier – Simon Jean Joseph
Elfyn Evans – Gwyndaf Evans
Bryan Bouffier - Pascal Enjolras

Hyundai:
Andreas Mikkelsen - Bernt Kollevold
Thierry Neuville – Bruno Thiry
Dani Sordo - Enrique Ojeda

Toyota:
Jari-Matti Latvala - Toni Gardemeister
Esapekka Lappi - Juho Hänninen
Ott Tänak - Martin Kangur

Citroën:
Kris Meeke - Stephen Whitford
Craig Breen – Mikko Hirvonen

Mikko will be very tired!

[KiwiWRCfan]

Martin Holmes preview of Monte Carlo confirms the names of the ice/gravel note drivers but does not contain codriver names for the ice/gravel note crews.
Interesting info on which 5 drivers have a completely new chasis as opposed to an upgraded chasis that was used last year. Martin also reveals which teams displayed replica cars at ASI 18, which team took a test car to ASI 18 and which team had the real beast at ASI 18
https://rallysportmag.com/preview-monte-carlo-rally-rnd-1-world-rally-championship/

[macebig]

Martin Holmes preview of Monte Carlo confirms the names of the ice/gravel note drivers but does not contain codriver names for the ice/gravel note crews.
Interesting info on which 5 drivers have a completely new chasis as opposed to an upgraded chasis that was used last year. Martin also reveals which teams displayed replica cars at ASI 18, which team took a test car to ASI 18 and which team had the real beast at ASI 18
https://rallysportmag.com/preview-monte-carlo-rally-rnd-1-world-rally-championship/

Guess without looking : Test car for Toyota, real car from Ford, Citroen + Hyundai mock ups.

[Watson]

Holmes is talking of only two British drivers taking part (Meeke and Greensmith). Last time I checked Evans was British as well.

[pantealex]

Holmes is talking of only two British drivers taking part (Meeke and Greensmith). Last time I checked Evans was British as well.

and Greensmith is driving R2t, not R5

[wwbroe]

and Greensmith is driving R2t, not R5

Is that so? That is surprising. I tought he was going to drive a M-sport Fiesta R5?

[tomhlord]

Is that so? That is surprising. I tought he was going to drive a M-sport Fiesta R5?

He's driving an R5 in WRC2 throughout the year, but for Monte, it's the R2T.

[bluuford]

Holmes is talking of only two British drivers taking part (Meeke and Greensmith). Last time I checked Evans was British as well.

First step to Welsh independence ;)

[wwbroe]

First step to Welsh independence ;)

Hello Bluuford, do you have any predictions for the weather next week in Monte? I trust your forecasts better than any other.:)

[bluuford]

Hello Bluuford, do you have any predictions for the weather next week in Monte? I trust your forecasts better than any other.:)

Can tell you only in very general (not to reveal any secrets ;)).

Looks like heavy snofall in almost all elevations over the weekend, totalling 40 cm of fresh snow in higher sections. So, try to avoid Saturday for recceing stages. Precipitation ends with some rain everywhere on Sunday and some rain on Monday as well.

Then comes very warm period that basically should melt most of the snow from all the roads but snow should stay on the side of the road in higher stages.

SD likely nice and warm,

Thursday night close to zero, especially Sisteron,

Overnight rain on Friday stages and during morning loop, likely rain, very little chanche of snow (snow only on Saturday stages).

Saturday is likely nice weather and stage 9-10 might have some snow from overnight and previous day

Sunday, if everything stays the same, then no minus degrees for Col de Turini stages. But still very far to call.

Likelyhood of warmer weather is higher than likelyhood of colder weather.

PS! If you are used to cooler weather and +10 is Ok for you then you might need shorts for SD :P

PS2! You should find me from SP during rally and in the region from Sunday evening:)

[GigiGalliNo1]

But I want snow!

[PLuto]

But I want snow!

You must choose different event ;)

[Andre Oliveira]

Pic by Adam Platt

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DT7dDswXUAssJUI?format=jpg&name=medium

[A FONDO]

And the Volvo behind :D Wonder who (if anyone) will change recce cars.

[car]

Anyone know what odds I can get on Boufier winning?

[Andre Oliveira]

Neuville 3.00
Bouffier 40.00

Onebet

[Mintexmemory]

Neuville 3.00
Bouffier 40.00

Onebet

3.00 for Neuville is good - see my predictions thread for 2018 (as of 22.28 just about to compose!)

[N.O.T]

Would be nice if you explain that these are the rumoured ice/gravel note crews... and credit Gary Boyd on Twitter.

if we quote every piece of information we read and write in this forum then this forum will just be an endless list of names of nobodies...

Only important rumors should be quoted or if the special unicorn that provided the original information gets offended and wants credit...

there is medication for autism you know....

[AndyRAC]

Anyone know what odds I can get on Bouffier winning?

Unless the weather forecast changes, and we get similar 'mixed' conditions to 2011, then I wouldn't think he'd challenge the top crews....

[Watson]

And the Volvo behind :D Wonder who (if anyone) will change recce cars.

They have some brandnew Ford Focus RSs as recce cars. I don't know how many though.

[SubaruNorway]

They have some brandnew Ford Focus RSs as recce cars. I don't know how many though.

Ogier refused to use the Volvo according to Wilson in an Autosport interview :rolleyes:

[tommeke_B]

Ogier refused to use the Volvo according to Wilson in an Autosport interview :rolleyes:

Quite normal. According to a codriver who has done a lot of recce with it (some years ago), the Volvo's were very unreliable and had breakdowns very often, during the last years. During recce all you want to care about is taking the best notes... :)

[SubaruNorway]

Not sure the Ford is a more reliable car ;)
So this is where the budget for the third car at Citroen went?

[Simmi]

Any hospitality experts know if that's one that Citroen were using in the WTCC a few years ago? Or like SubaruNorway says is this new investment?

[Andre Oliveira]

Pic by Adam Platt

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DUA2cppX4AA1Psq?format=jpg&name=medium

[AnttiL]

Toyota preview http://toyotagazooracing.com/wrc/report/2018/01/preview.html

[macebig]

Any hospitality experts know if that's one that Citroen were using in the WTCC a few years ago? Or like SubaruNorway says is this new investment?

This is their WTCC one :https://cdn-3.motorsport.com/static/img/mgl/1600000/1680000/1687000/1687300/1687363/s8/wtcc-paul-ricard-2014-citro-n-hospitality.jpg

So, this WRC is most likely new, unless they source it from Peugeot.

[Rally Power]

This is their WTCC one :https://cdn-3.motorsport.com/static/img/mgl/1600000/1680000/1687000/1687300/1687363/s8/wtcc-paul-ricard-2014-citro-n-hospitality.jpg

That looks equal to the one they’ve used last year on WRC. I remember to see a bigger one (2 floors) in ‘13 and ’14 Portugal Rally; here’s a photo of it:

http://planetemarcus.com/wordpress/wp-content/gallery/wrc-portugal13-sp/3817.jpg

The photo is from our forum mate www.planetemarcus.com site (lots of service park pics through the years).

[RS]

Looks like only one SS live on BT Sport on Saturday and two one Sunday, including power stage. A little disappointing when we know the whole event is being filmed live.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Looks like only one SS live on BT Sport on Saturday and two one Sunday, including power stage. A little disappointing when we know the whole event is being filmed live.

WRC+ Live arent going to give away more live stages to TV when people are paying for their stream

[RS]

WRC+ Live arent going to give away more live stages to TV when people are paying for their stream

They said the option was open to BT to screen more, but i guess they didn't want to pay more.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

They said the option was open to BT to screen more, but i guess they didn't want to pay more.

It is a shame, especially as I have BT. But then I always follow WRC online as well.

[Franky]

Looks like only one SS live on BT Sport on Saturday and two one Sunday, including power stage. A little disappointing when we know the whole event is being filmed live.

The fact that there will be live images from every single stage does not mean there's full scale live broadcast production for every stage ;)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

I am surprised the discussion about SS1 of Monte Carlo 1983 has not started yet. It was 35 years ago today and what happened on that day, I mean night, has not happened again since.

The first SS is also the longest... discuss.

[AnttiL]

M-Sport preview http://www.m-sport.co.uk/m-sport-news/fiesta-rs-wrc/cards-on-the-table-for-season-opener-in-monte-carlo

[AnttiL]

Foreca is showing snowfall for friday, but Accuweather only rain.

[er88]

Foreca is showing snowfall for friday, but Accuweather only rain.Better to just wait for an update from Bluuford. If there's any change to what he originally posted I'm sure he'll update us, unless it's a secret :)

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[AnttiL]

Better to just wait for an update from Bluuford if there's any changes to what he originally posted :)

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I think he can't reveal all his secrets on a public forum :)

[RS]

The fact that there will be live images from every single stage does not mean there's full scale live broadcast production for every stage ;)

Ahh, do you think we're expecting too much from WRC All-Live?

[er88]

Ahh, do you think we're expecting too much from WRC All-Live?I can't see how it's going to be much of a drop off in quality tbh.

In fact it might be better in some ways if we don't have Jon yapping on non stop like he feels he needs to for the tv stages. And i also don't mind if there's barely any stageside cameras as I like on boards the most. Sure they'll have the helicopter out for a lot of the stages too

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[PLuto]

Ahh, do you think we're expecting too much from WRC All-Live?

I am afraid yes...

[er88]

I am afraid yes...A lot of the stuff added for tv production standards is not needed anyway. Like laughable driver interviews before each driver enters the stage, with questions like what they had for breakfast and if they're friends with their co driver etc etc. And stupid commentators that think it's all about them so they talk over everything, and strung out stage end interviews that mean you miss a lot of action from the other cars on the stage.

So if they're stripping the production back, it could end up being better for a lot of people instead of trying to dumb it down and cater for the "casual tv viewer", who probably isn't watching the usual one or two live stages anyway

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[tc10a]

Already if they just have some onboard images, maybe sometimes helicopter shots and / or a stationary camera on the stage. Maybe between the stages some studio-like content and images from servicepark it will be a HUGE improvement of the Live-Experience than sitting in front of result screens and listen to a radio. Give them time and judge after the event. I'm quite optimstic.

[MYS]

Dont listen PLuto :) He is the biggest WRC hater I know :P

[Andre Oliveira]

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[liposh]

Regarding the weather. I hope bluuford will approve: There will be high temperatures during this week nearly everywhere. So the snow will melt a lot. Then there will be rain during friday morning and it could freeze during FRI-SAT night especially in mountains and forests so I assume there would be ice above 1000m but I don´t expect snow. Or very thin layer of snow and only on the top of the hills. And on Sunday snow and ice will melt slowly again because of high temperatures.

[PLuto]

Dont listen PLuto :) He is the biggest WRC hater I know :P

But this has nothing to do with my relationship with WRC. I was always waiting when we will be able to see more live stages from WRC events. I dont need lot of additional stuff like interviews about nothing (like it was mentioned - about their breakfast, about their friends)etc. For me is enough to see the footage from stages - onboards, cameras, dronds, helicopters. But I am not sure if my view is same as view of promoter. And what I have seen in last years, they are doing lot of things which are against rally-fan spectator. So I am afraid that it will not be working so perfectly like we all are dreaming here. But I will be really happy if this product will be reliable and working.

[tc10a]

Lots of ice today in the opening stage Thoard-Sisteron:
https://www.facebook.com/rallymontecarlo1911/videos/1801603350140511/

[Googol]

Regarding the weather. I hope bluuford will approve: There will be high temperatures during this week nearly everywhere. So the snow will melt a lot. Then there will be rain during friday morning and it could freeze during FRI-SAT night especially in mountains and forests so I assume there would be ice above 1000m but I don´t expect snow. Or very thin layer of snow and only on the top of the hills. And on Sunday snow and ice will melt slowly again because of high temperatures.

It seems to rain quite a lot, so there could be very snowy at high places like stage 10/12 on Saturday: https://www.yr.no/sted/Frankrike/Provence-Alpes-Côte_d’Azur/Ancelle/langtidsvarsel.html

On Friday it may be mostly water indeed, but let's hope some unpredictability and maybe some snow at higher places.

[liposh]

Yup, this SS could be snowy, but at the end of the SS10/12 is town La Batie-Neuve (906m high) and the predicted temperature is 6°C for Saturday.

[dimviii]

@nicolasgilsoul
Aaaaaand here we go!

#WRC season 2018 has officially started. First loop of recce in Turini this morning, totally dry apart from a few icy/wet patches. But we're expecting 4 km of ice after the Col de Fontbelle. Sounds like fun

[WRC1]

@nicolasgilsoul
Aaaaaand here we go!

#WRC season 2018 has officially started. First loop of recce in Turini this morning, totally dry apart from a few icy/wet patches. But we're expecting 4 km of ice after the Col de Fontbelle. Sounds like fun

uphill dry tarmac and downhill 4km of ice does not Sound like fun....it sounds more like survival :)

[AnttiL]

uphill dry tarmac and downhill 4km of ice does not Sound like fun....it sounds more like survival :)

Sounds like Monte Carlo!

[Googol]

Lots of ice today in the opening stage Thoard-Sisteron:
https://www.facebook.com/rallymontecarlo1911/videos/1801603350140511/

That's already from yesterday:

https://twitter.com/inforallyes/status/955092687052525568

[EstWRC]

videos from the recce https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVdyIwpxnjc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiRFJLl6LSo

[A FONDO]

But this has nothing to do with my relationship with WRC. I was always waiting when we will be able to see more live stages from WRC events. I dont need lot of additional stuff like interviews about nothing (like it was mentioned - about their breakfast, about their friends)etc. For me is enough to see the footage from stages - onboards, cameras, dronds, helicopters. But I am not sure if my view is same as view of promoter. And what I have seen in last years, they are doing lot of things which are against rally-fan spectator. So I am afraid that it will not be working so perfectly like we all are dreaming here. But I will be really happy if this product will be reliable and working.

What I hated most last year was messing live feed with studio useless talk. Gaps were made to 4 minutes just to be filled with that crap. Cut this and all the waiting for driver to remove his helmet at the end of the stage and you get 2 minutes action from every crew. Thus the high rhythm remains constant for the spectator and he watches all the show instead of doing something else around.

[ESTR]

What I hated most last year was messing live feed with studio useless talk. Gaps were made to 4 minutes just to be filled with that crap. Cut this and all the waiting for driver to remove his helmet at the end of the stage and you get 2 minutes action from every crew. Thus the high rhythm remains constant for the spectator and he watches all the show instead of doing something else around.

Or bring interviews in the corner and next car action on big screen. Still better to look two things at the same time than one not important that much.

[andyone]

i think this Monte Round will have a totally surprising winner. WRC is becoming more interesting with different winners all the time how awesome.

[dimviii]

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiRFJLl6LSo

Neuville with short pants,feels hot already.

[Jinu13]

It will be a good chance to see whether Ogier has bedded in, Meeke has calmed down and Neuville is still on it or has peaked. Tanak and Evans both finished well last season so maybe time for them to come up. Exciting!

[EstWRC]

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https://twitter.com/lolowrc05/status/955506577380921344

[AnttiL]

EDIT: looked at wrong week :D

[liposh]

Once my weather forecast from yesterday changes I am gonna tell you. Until that time just keep calm ;) :D

[Watson]

Weather in alpine regions is always hard to predict there's no point checking before thursday ;)

[Andre Oliveira]

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[AnttiL]

What is the start order for the first stage? The same as the numbers or in last year's point score?

[dupanton]

What is the start order for the first stage? The same as the numbers or in last year's point score?

Last year championship order I think

[Fast Eddie WRC]

The driver's have all said they take no notice of weather forecasts as it can change at any time... even after the ice note crews have been through.

[rage82]

What is the start order for the first stage? The same as the numbers or in last year's point score?

The first leg starting order is same as last year championship, after that in reverse order.

[kostek45]

Do you know anything about online transmissions with SS1 and SS2? Any TV or portal has it in the schedule? Or just an unofficial facebook stream?

[rallyfiend]

Do you know anything about online transmissions with SS1 and SS2? Any TV or portal has it in the schedule? Or just an unofficial facebook stream?

you mean iike this?

https://plus.wrc.com/en/

[Ucci]

Neuville with short pants,feels hot already.

Hyundai drivers with BMW?

[rage82]

Hyundai drivers with BMW?Yes from 2014 ;)

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[aykutbilir]

And Msport drivers still with Volvos of course Ogier with Focus RS. I remeber that Volvos has to be retired from last year but...


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[Simmi]

Even after Donald Trump has pushed the big red button those Volvos will still be rolling along.

[A FONDO]

I saw only poor Evans with a Volvo. Buff uses a classic blue Subaru.

[ESTR]

It's just recce car, doesn't matter if they drive tractor or van.