RallyRacc Catalunya-Costa Daurada 2016

[Fast Eddie WRC]

oh sorry, my bad then...yeah the VW's r still the team to beat but hopefully next year's regulation will level the playing field.



I wouldn't bet on it.

[Mirek]

Joost, it says to me that Your video is private.

[Eli]

I wouldn't bet on it.
I wouldn't either, but perhaps VW might still have a hard time

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[JoostSchouten]

Joost, it says to me that Your video is private.
Yes, my mistake. Fixed it! :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4bnULRQXlU

[dimviii]

like this photo

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cu5cCDnUkAAnu3z.jpg

[GigiGalliNo1]

No

[BigWorm]

Maybe because the tarmac in Spain is pretty boring? Long wide corners aren't that exiting, hopefully Ireland will be back soon!

Fair point, but he does so every tarmac rally. It's starting to get on my nerves, he needs to embrace that challenge and not think about other challenges.

[rallysupportnl]

Highlights WRC Rally de Espana - Catalunya 2016!

http://i68.tinypic.com/15n6kqr.jpg (https://youtu.be/k2SoNMOAPGw)

[itix]

like this photo

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cu5cCDnUkAAnu3z.jpg
Me too... Not all @world are over produced pictures.

He know his angles and the light and can sometimes snap spectacular moments... Just a shame he has to over Photoshop everything :(

[KKS]

There is some discution about same place or not Mikelsen crashed showed in official stage review https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSCJciRAX9s ... and it's a same
1. Zig-zaging tree with cuted tree branch
2. Tree with broken tree branch
3. kilometer pole


http://i.piccy.info/i9/7a88cb3e92526b67d23438955c69fbb2/1476646081/326147/1052502/Spain_Mik_crash1.jpg


http://i.piccy.info/i9/54c71edc63fd9059f82a7349a7496309/1476646361/440076/1052502/Spain_Mik_crash2.jpg

[GravelBen]

That's Latvala having a bad spell, not finishing/scoring due to his errors. Hyundai drivers are having a consistent run but the VW is the better, faster car/team.

Think just as many have been from the car breaking, you can't just blame his errors for all of it. He has still been fast at most rallies.

I agree that the VW is still the fastest, best developed car but the gap is smaller this year than previously.

[dimviii]

https://youtu.be/SzPjY0yZJWo

[Simmi]

Anyone know what happened with Frigyes Turan post-event? Was third but got banged with a 25min penalty. That bumped Suninen up to fourth which could be crucial in the title battle. Crazy attrition in WRC2.

Also a wild finish to Dmack Trophy. 3 guys retired on the final day to allow Osian Pryce to take the title. Awesome result!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Think just as many have been from the car breaking, you can't just blame his errors for all of it. He has still been fast at most rallies.

I agree that the VW is still the fastest, best developed car but the gap is smaller this year than previously.

That is true, Latvala has had some bad luck too. But he has not helped himself either.

The VW is still the best car, he and Mikkelsen just havent made the best use of it.

[denkimi]

Think just as many have been from the car breaking, you can't just blame his errors for all of it. He has still been fast at most rallies.

I agree that the VW is still the fastest, best developed car but the gap is smaller this year than previously.
it is of course hard to tell, but i would say the difference is still at least 0,1s/km, which is about 0,25%.
not much, a little difference on each stage, but enough to make a total of 20 to 30 seconds on every rally.
i believe this makes it possible for ogier to drive safely at 99% and still win, whereas he would have to drive at 100% if he would drive the hyundai or the citroen.

[tc10a]

Anyone know what happened with Frigyes Turan post-event? Was third but got banged with a 25min penalty. That bumped Suninen up to fourth which could be crucial in the title battle. Crazy attrition in WRC2.


Turan: http://www.rallyracc.com/2016/online/tablon/documentos/STEWARD_DECISION_8.pdf

Also interesting: fine for M-Sport:
http://www.rallyracc.com/2016/online/tablon/documentos/STEWARD_DECISION_9.pdf

[dodge33cymru]

Seems daft that (didn't he retire on two days?) after all that Suninen still finishes fourth. Could well get him the title, he went really well in Wales last year.

[Mirek]

Anyone know what happened with Frigyes Turan post-event? Was third but got banged with a 25min penalty. That bumped Suninen up to fourth which could be crucial in the title battle. Crazy attrition in WRC2.

Also a wild finish to Dmack Trophy. 3 guys retired on the final day to allow Osian Pryce to take the title. Awesome result!


Turan: http://www.rallyracc.com/2016/online/tablon/documentos/STEWARD_DECISION_8.pdf

Also interesting: fine for M-Sport:
http://www.rallyracc.com/2016/online/tablon/documentos/STEWARD_DECISION_9.pdf

If those wishbones were lighter I wouldn't say anything but 25 minutes penalty for wishbones being several gramms heavier is really tough penalty. Moreover when those wishbones were most likely original M-Sport parts. I hope they didn't need only to find anything to move Suninen in the results.

[WUff1]

If those wishbones were lighter I wouldn't say anything but 25 minutes penalty for wishbones being several gramms heavier is really tough penalty. Moreover when those wishbones were most likely original M-Sport parts. I hope they didn't need only to find anything to move Suninen in the results.

That were my thought´s instantly, too.

[Jeppe]

If those wishbones were lighter I wouldn't say anything but 25 minutes penalty for wishbones being several gramms heavier is really tough penalty. Moreover when those wishbones were most likely original M-Sport parts. I hope they didn't need only to find anything to move Suninen in the results.

Well. I don´t believe in conspiracys..

Many people are complaining that those Fiesta wishbones broke too easily. Then someone realizes that IF we add some extra welding to wishbone MAYBE they´ll last longer. It´s not always about lighter parts ;)

[dupanton]

Turans car is not completly according to homologations -> 25min penalty
Fiesta R2s are not completly according to homologations -> €30.000 fine

Where is the consistency??

[Simmi]

If those wishbones were lighter I wouldn't say anything but 25 minutes penalty for wishbones being several gramms heavier is really tough penalty. Moreover when those wishbones were most likely original M-Sport parts. I hope they didn't need only to find anything to move Suninen in the results.

Yeah that's one conspiracy too far for me. It would also require someone in the governing body actually caring about WRC2.

[Mirek]

Well. I don´t believe in conspiracys..

Many people are complaining that those Fiesta wishbones broke too easily. Then someone realizes that IF we add some extra welding to wishbone MAYBE they´ll last longer. It´s not always about lighter parts ;)

Also possible explanation. Thanks


Yeah that's one conspiracy too far for me. It would also require someone in the governing body actually caring about WRC2.

You are right, that was too much. Better to wait for the morning and don't write in late night next time.

[bowler]

Turans car is not completly according to homologations -> 25min penalty
Fiesta R2s are not completly according to homologations -> €30.000 fine

Where is the consistency??

There is no consistency because the penalties are to different entities.
One penalty is to a competitor and the most effective penalty is time.
The other is to a manufacturer who can not receive a time penalty as they are not competing directly.
How would a competitor deal with a €30.000 fine? Who would you apply a 25 minute penalty to if it was given to M-Sport. Would you penalise all M-Sport competitors by dividing 25 minutes among them?

[Mirek]

The other is to a manufacturer who can not receive a time penalty as they are not competing directly.
How would a competitor deal with a €30.000 fine? Who would you apply a 25 minute penalty to if it was given to M-Sport. Would you penalise all M-Sport competitors by dividing 25 minutes among them?

Still there is no consistency. When exactly the same thing happened with Citroën JWRC cars they were all given time penalties. I don't remember in which rally it happened but it was essentially the very same case as now with the Fiestas.

[dupanton]

Still there is no consistency. When exactly the same thing happened with Citroën JWRC cars they were all given time penalties. I don't remember in which rally it happened but it was essentially the very same case as now with the Fiestas.

Exactly!
Both Turan and the R2 Fiestas had reliability advantage because of non-homologated parts. Both should have a time penalty/fine.

[dimviii]

https://youtu.be/AL3JZKXYJGg

[tommeke_B]

Turans car is not completly according to homologations -> 25min penalty
Fiesta R2s are not completly according to homologations -> €30.000 fine

Where is the consistency??
I think they don't give big fines to privateers, like Turan. M-Sport is a manufacturer, it looks like they are more likely to give (huge) fines to manufacturers (see Sardinia this year).

[tommeke_B]

First of all thanks to Bluuford for his excellent weather report. ;)

Had a nice event, pitty there was so much rain on wednesday, thursday and friday morning. It made some access roads very slippery, like ice, so more difficult to get to the stages (and to some nice places) on friday. Anyway, having no dust is nice for spectating. Tarmac action on saturday and sunday was great, everything was new for me but we found some great places. Sports-wise it was a great event, very nice agressive driving from Sordo, while Ogier was much cleaner, cutting less on most places we've seen, somehow his approach paid off. Latvala's driving was quite similar on the places we've seen. I think there are many corners that would be just as fast without cutting. All Hyundai's were doing well, but I was surprised most by Hayden Paddon, he made great progress on tarmac, I think it's fair to say he is a "complete" WRC driver now. With the driver line-up Hyundai will have next year they are a great competitor against VW for the manufacturer championship. WRC2 was a bit disappointing apart from the 2 works Skoda's. Suninen was extremely spectacular to see, pushing the car to the limit which wasn't always very efficient as he usually didn't have the quickest exit out of the corners. In FWD great action on tarmac, especially from the Fiesta R2T's, and Solans in particular. I'd like to see this become a full tarmac event again, it would be much more interesting for local drivers and for the lower categories than WRC/RC1.

A few photos:

https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/14691447_1458211340857414_759937924983249713_o.jpg

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https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/14633115_1458233134188568_5000835551429016452_o.jp g

More: https://www.facebook.com/rallyimage/photos/?tab=album&album_id=1458211114190770

[Simmi]

Great stuff as always Tom!

[dimviii]

plenty of excellent photos Tom!!

[Atob WRC]

Hello everybody!

Here our video from the Rally. As asways, from better to worse, from the beginning to the end. The sunday´s stage has been horrible, as always.....hope we improve in the future.

BR!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWmwGlT6BH8

[dimviii]

Hello everybody!

Here our video from the Rally. As asways, from better to worse, from the beginning to the end. The sunday´s stage has been horrible, as always.....hope we improve in the future.

BR!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWmwGlT6BH8

thanks for the video.Freeze the video at 0,36sec and watch how close is the photographer from polos bumper....

[dimviii]

at this topic didnt we talked about Paddons gravel preference vs tarmac?
imho he is wrong at his statement.


Cameron Thompson
‏@CameronQland

@HaydenPaddon #askpaddon Congrats on your tarmac pace. You must be confident now to take on @SebOgier and win.


Hayden Paddon ‏@HaydenPaddon

Ο χρήστης Hayden Paddon έκανε Retweet Cameron Thompson

We don't need to ness win Tarmac rally's to fight for the title, but strong results and podiums a must and we fight for the wins on gravel

[AL14]

at this topic didnt we talked about Paddons gravel preference vs tarmac?
imho he is wrong at his statement.


Cameron Thompson
‏@CameronQland

@HaydenPaddon #askpaddon Congrats on your tarmac pace. You must be confident now to take on @SebOgier and win.


Hayden Paddon ‏@HaydenPaddon

Ο χρήστης Hayden Paddon έκανε Retweet Cameron Thompson

We don't need to ness win Tarmac rally's to fight for the title, but strong results and podiums a must and we fight for the wins on gravel

If you want to beat Ogier you should be able to fight for the win in all rallys. And that is not enough either.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

If Paddon cant win tarmac rallies then that puts too much pressure on his gravel events and mistakes are going to happen.

Sordo and Neuville could take wins on tarmac but Paddon would still need to beat Ogier everywhere else.

[Mirek]

If Paddon cant win tarmac rallies then that puts too much pressure on his gravel events and mistakes are going to happen.

Sordo and Neuville could take wins on tarmac but Paddon would still need to beat Ogier everywhere else.

Eddie, Sordo has won ONE rally out of 138 he did. Neuville has won TWO rallies out of 69 events, Paddon has won ONE rally out of 58. The simple fact is that none of them is regular winner and never has been. If anyone of them manage to win regularly on whatever surface it is going to be a huge improvement no matter if that is only on one surface.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Eddie, Sordo has won ONE rally out of 138 he did. Neuville has won TWO rallies out of 69 events, Paddon has won ONE rally out of 58. The simple fact is that none of them is regular winner and never has been. If anyone of them manage to win regularly on whatever surface it is going to be a huge improvement no matter if that is only on one surface.

I know this, I was just pointing out the flaw in Paddon's argument that he doesnt need to win on tarmac to challenge for the title.

Wins for any Hyundai drivers is only hypothetical based on their 2017 car being better then VWs...

You said the Hyundai team are properly competitve now but they still arent winning.

[spiderem]

Hello everybody!

Here our video from the Rally. As asways, from better to worse, from the beginning to the end. The sunday´s stage has been horrible, as always.....hope we improve in the future.

BR!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWmwGlT6BH8

Does wearing a photograph / press hi-vis shirt make you invincible? 1:56 people are lucky too the fiesta is thankfully slowed down by the mud bank and not start to roll instead... Or am i the only one thinking that?

Great video by the way.

[dimviii]

like the spot at asphalt with the jump which filmed from backside.
https://youtu.be/um0-LNYYByI

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Meeke has to cut out the stupid mistakes like in Spain. Its not just that Ogier is fast, he also makes the fewest mistakes.

https://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/126727/meeke-kicking-himself-for-tupid-mistakes

[dimviii]

very nice video,watch Andolfi(and other juniors) amazing passes at every corner.Watch also Meeke at asphalt near 0,30 min
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgrMvz7Kqkk

[Baig2507]

Eddie, Sordo has won ONE rally out of 138 he did. Neuville has won TWO rallies out of 69 events, Paddon has won ONE rally out of 58. The simple fact is that none of them is regular winner and never has been. If anyone of them manage to win regularly on whatever surface it is going to be a huge improvement no matter if that is only on one surface.
Not sure where you're stats come from - Paddon has only had a total of around 30 starts in a WRC car over 2.5 seasons. Perhaps you're including Group N & S2000 starts as well?

[Mirek]

Not sure where you're stats come from - Paddon has only had a total of around 30 starts in a WRC car over 2.5 seasons. Perhaps you're including Group N & S2000 starts as well?

Yes, You are right. My mistake (same for all three drivers). Still the point lasts.

[MartijnS]

Enjoyed our yearly visit to Salou again too!

Arrived on Tuesday, first started with a visit to Portaventura park. Wednesday recce day as the weather was bad.
Shakedown is always good. Started on the fast tarmac part, such a nice spot, definitely in the wet, fast and sideways from most top guys, especially the Hyundais. After that we visited the jump on gravel.

https://scontent-ams3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/14589783_1132383903516244_1416604943604354423_o.jp g

Didnt go to Barcelona for SS1, but watched it at the servicepark on the VW stand on a big screen. Good choice seeing the weather there.

Friday we tried to go from the first to the third stage of the day, left after Ostberg at the first and arrived due to the fact that we couldn't reach the spot by car due to the extremely slippery path we wanted to drive, when Ostberg passed haha. So gained nothing and did only 1 stage in the afternoon. Found some good spots! Not a bad day after the bad weather in the morning after all.

https://scontent-ams3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/t31.0-/14753277_1133891576698810_8593962455358145177_o.jp g

Saturday we planned 4 real stages and the Salou stage, but had to walk a bit to the jump on the first stage and decided to stay there for the entire field. .After that to another spot on the first stage of the loop, fast downhill section, nothing special there and left after the first R5's to go to the last stage. Really fast lefthander with a big cut from almost all WRC's except Ogier and Latvala who stayed on the road. Again after the first R5's left to Salou to get a taste of the nice atmosphere at the beach. Micky Mouse stage, but fun to watch!

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Sunday we did the second stage and the powerstage. First on with the nice bridge on the background for some nice scenic shots and last stage near the finish for some more scenic views after arriving at the spot. Always fun to see people look surprised when you arrive via a 10 km mountainbike trail with your Seat Leon between all local jeeps haha.

https://scontent-ams3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/14711633_1135447419876559_8875648652462006580_o.jp g

So again a good visit. Relaxed atmosphere maybe due to the fact that 75% of the spectators are stoned as soon as they get out of their tents in the morning haha. Fortunately good weather on the tarmac. Had enough rain before. This was our last WRC this year, looking forward to next year!
More photos here: https://www.facebook.com/rallymedia/photos/?tab=album&album_id=1132381236849844

[itix]

Turan: http://www.rallyracc.com/2016/online/tablon/documentos/STEWARD_DECISION_8.pdf

Also interesting: fine for M-Sport:
http://www.rallyracc.com/2016/online/tablon/documentos/STEWARD_DECISION_9.pdf
It's interesting that they have a maximum weight of the a-arm. Wouldn't you want as light an a-arm as possible (while still strong) to reduce ursprung weight?

[br21]

It's interesting that they have a maximum weight of the a-arm. Wouldn't you want as light an a-arm as possible (while still strong) to reduce ursprung weight?

almost every homologated part has it's homologation weight which has +/- 1% (usually) tolerance, same with dimensions. So every part has it's minimum and maximum weight/dimension. It's like that with component weights, wheelbase, spoiler mountings, bumper opening, etc, etc

[Mirek]

It's interesting that they have a maximum weight of the a-arm. Wouldn't you want as light an a-arm as possible (while still strong) to reduce ursprung weight?


almost every homologated part has it's homologation weight which has +/- 1% (usually) tolerance, same with dimensions. So every part has it's minimum and maximum weight/dimension. It's like that with component weights, wheelbase, spoiler mountings, bumper opening, etc, etc

This is what I don't like about the homologation rules - they don't focus on sporting side of the violation but rather about business side, i.e. most of the time nobody cares whether the part gave any competitive advantage or not but what seems to be the worst violation is that the part was produced/modified by someone else than the manufacturer.

[Mk2 RS2000]

most of the time nobody cares whether the part gave any competitive advantage or not .

it is called cheating.

No real person likes or tolerates a cheat.

In sport they are one of the lowest forms of life.

[dimviii]

It's interesting that they have a maximum weight of the a-arm. Wouldn't you want as light an a-arm as possible (while still strong) to reduce ursprung weight?

yes in theory.
BUT if your design with the proper(homologated) weight is wrong,you will try to reinforce it=more weight=out of homologation weight.

[itix]

almost every homologated part has it's homologation weight which has +/- 1% (usually) tolerance, same with dimensions. So every part has it's minimum and maximum weight/dimension. It's like that with component weights, wheelbase, spoiler mountings, bumper opening, etc, etc

That I get now that you write it, but the wording in the stewards' communication was something like "maximum weight this and that, actual weight above". That to me sounded like there was a maximum limit. I suppose it was my reading into that wording that made think there was a maximum weight rule in the technical rules.

[Mirek]

it is called cheating.

No real person likes or tolerates a cheat.

In sport they are one of the lowest forms of life.

You don't seem to understand. For example there is no cheating about producing the same part by Yourself. It's not allowed to save the homologator's business not to prevent You from cheating.

[Mk2 RS2000]

You don't seem to understand. For example there is no cheating about producing the same part by Yourself. It's not allowed to save the homologator's business not to prevent You from cheating.

Homologation (from the verb homologate, meaning "to approve or confirm officially") is the process of certifying or approving a product to indicate that it meets regulatory standards and specifications, such as safety and technical requirements.