RallyRacc Catalunya-Costa Daurada 2016

[dimviii]

AbuDhabiRacing ‏@AbuDhabiRacing1 Salou, España

#WRC #RallyRACC
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[dimviii]

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[dimviii]

https://youtu.be/hQGMzooJOU0

really slippery conditions...
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[denkimi]

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anybody knows what the black thing behind the rear bumper is?

[rallysupportnl]

WRC RACC Rally de Espana 2016 - Day 1

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[dimviii]

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[dimviii]

anybody knows what the black thing behind the rear bumper is?

seems like air channel,probably to ventilate rear diff?

[Simmi]

Real shame for Osian Pryce. Misfire and retirement looks to have killed his championship hopes here in Dmack Trophy. Luckily he still has a few R5 rounds confirmed for next year.

[Rally Power]

Amazing Sordo; link to SS2 onboard: https://t.co/xk3Gm2awzo

Big fight on 2wd category: Andolfi only 4.4s ahead of Solans!

Nice effort from female rally team headed by good looking driver Christine Giampoli:
https://youtu.be/ro3p2tGcSt4
video: revistascratch.com

[rallyfun]

No, Sordo will run 6th tomorrow the tarmac stages are going to be gravel ones by the time he passes.

You've never seen Catalan roads live have you?

[Mirek]

There used to be a lot of cutting... on the old roads at Lloret de Mar. Otherwise it's the definitely the way cleanest asphalt rally in the championship.

[KKS]

Just watched Sordo onboard from SS7. It was magnificent! Crazy run through gravel parts.
Tarmac part in a middle is so boring after it.

[dimviii]

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[KiwiWRCfan]

Can you name a season that it was not a horror for Latvala ? and do not use abbreviations of names, its plebeian.

its plebeian says the person whose name is an abbreviation. Ironic.

[EstWRC]

someone has a birthday today

M-Sport ‏@MSportLtd
But before we start today's action, let's wish a very happy birthday to this man! Happy Birthday @OttTanak! #WRC #WRCBirthday #RallyRACC

[dimviii]

Good morning guys!!


Michelin Motorsport ‏@Michelin_Sport

#Tyre info: all Michelin @OfficialWRC drivers with 5 Michelin Pilot Sport H5 except Meeke with 4H+1S #wrc #RallyRACC

[EstWRC]

Breen with a broken driveshaft

[KKS]

Morning.

Oh what a misfortune for Breen. And even on start of the loop

[KKS]

:D nice situation now at WRC2. +0.0 Kopecky and Tideman. Yeah it will be hot today at wrc2 :)

[René]

Strong starts for Latvala, I hope for him that it will not too strong for the next stages

[Augury]

1100

Great battle in WRC2. Has Tidemand changed cars?

[dimviii]

Sat 08:53 - SS8: WRC 2 Tidemand.
The overnight WRC 2 leader is through. "The car feels quite good but I need to find the rhythm. Jan [Kopecky] is really quick on the Tarmac. Let's see what the team want. For sure they want us to finish first and second. Maybe they will want to change us around, I don't know."

[KKS]

Breen might have huge delay at SS9, he now on queue with WRC2 cars

[dimviii]

Sordo another 0,6 sec faster from Ogier.

[dimviii]

Breen might have huge delay at SS9, he now on queue with WRC2 cars


Sat 09:05 - Breen update
Worked on his damaged DS 3 on the road section after SS8. He's now en route to SS9 but it looks like he will miss his scheduled start time.

[HaCo]

Another great run by Sordo! I hope he and the car make it to the end!

Verstuurd vanaf mijn SM-T560 met Tapatalk

[René]

Meeke ??? Puncture?

[KKS]

Breen on liaison section running 140 kph :) looks like nobody told him that stage start is a little bit further :)

[dimviii]

Meeke puncture

[A FONDO]

Sordo another 0,6 sec faster from Ogier.

:laugh: don't worry, the journey is long

[Mirek]

Sat 08:53 - SS8: WRC 2 Tidemand.
The overnight WRC 2 leader is through. "The car feels quite good but I need to find the rhythm. Jan [Kopecky] is really quick on the Tarmac. Let's see what the team want. For sure they want us to finish first and second. Maybe they will want to change us around, I don't know."

Last year Jan wasn't allowed to win here. It was enough once in my opinion...

[dimviii]

Latvala comes with strong split

[KKS]

I can't imagine.... how they run all gravel day yesterday with that rocks, ditches, ruts, water and survived it without problem. And now go on smooth tarmac and one have puncture and other have drive shaft problem. HOW?

[dimviii]

I can't imagine.... how they run all gravel day yesterday with that rocks, ditches, ruts, water and survived it without problem. And now go on smooth tarmac and one have puncture

tarmac tyres are more fragile compared to gravel ones. A rock from previous car,or a cut can damage them.


and other have drive shaft problem. HOW?

tarmac adhesion/tyre grip at U turns can cause a driveshaft break.Its not something new.
at tarmac with grippy hot tyres cant spin easily to release the stress from engine power/torque.

[KKS]

tarmac adhesion/tyre grip at U turns can cause a driveshaft break.Its not something new.
at tarmac with grippy hot tyres cant spin easily to release the stress from engine power/torque.
I start thinking that because of short service where something might be done not properly for tarmac spec. All other have same hairpins, same 75min service, and their drive-shaft didn't broke. And that fact that it happens on first tarmac stage - something was not right at service of the team side.

[dimviii]

Sat 09:44 - SS9 quotes (partial)
Poor telephone service to blame for a lack of driver comments after SS9. Here, belatedly, is a summary of what was said: Ogier: 'Okay, but not perfect'. Mikkelsen complained of gravel on the road pulled out by Ogier's car ahead. Neuville: 'Big understeer'. Sordo didn't think it was a great stage, also reported understeer and thought he had puncture. Østberg: 'Inconsistent grip'. Meeke picked up a front-right puncture.

[Mirek]

I start thinking that because of short service where something might be done not properly for tarmac spec. All other have same hairpins, same 75min service, and their drive-shaft didn't broke. And that fact that it happens on first tarmac stage - something was not right at service of the team side.

The primary reason why driveshaft brakes is too much torque. To have the torque You need traction. The more traction the more torque on the driveshaft. Therefore the most critical for driveshafts is starts and first gear corners on dry abrassive asphalt, at worst with full steering (especially for FWD).

And why first stage? It's very normal situation that first asphalt stage is critical for components to survive. Imagine You have some hiden defect in the driveshaft material. It either survives the first hot start and than there is a good chance it will survive the event or not. In our championship (all asphalt) the large majority of technical problems appear on first stage or two. Also statistically - the more crews are in the event the more retire therefore the number of problems towards the end usually decreases.

[KKS]

So Citroen mount a bit cracky drive-shaft with tarmac spec and didn't know that until Breen given more effort to mechanical part and they broke?
So it's not related to that quick service? part just have a defect and all other suppositions is just supposition?

[Augury]

Good point from the radio, Ogier can't risk losing the manufacturer points.

[KKS]

Sordo lost 4 sec on 2nd split. No! NONONON!

PS Looks no puncture, just mistake

[Mintexmemory]

Good morning fellow plebs
Without wishing to jinx anything it looks like Sr Sordo is going to fulfil another ambition and finally win his home rally. I felt that 17 seconds on Spanish tarmac would prove decisive and we've seen that cutting can be a risky business already, something I expect that Ogier is avoiding to ensure the Championship win tomorrow.

Edit Woops! Thankfully a blip - hope Dani avoids any more!

[René]

No split 2 for Meeke

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Sordo slower time blaming the dirty roads due to cutting by the previous cars...

[KKS]

Molly Pettit ‏@Mollysport (https://twitter.com/Mollysport) 20m20 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/Mollysport/status/787208140181925889)Catalonia, Spain (https://twitter.com/search?q=place%3Ab038237f5b5b6978)
Difficult start to the first day on tarmac for @Craig_Breen (https://twitter.com/Craig_Breen) and @scottmartinat (https://twitter.com/scottmartinat). Broken drive shaft but they managed to fix it!https://abs.twimg.com/emoji/v2/72x72/1f44f.png@OfficialWRC (https://twitter.com/OfficialWRC)

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Hope it fix and didn't broke again

[TWRC]

So Citroen mount a bit cracky drive-shaft with tarmac spec and didn't know that until Breen given more effort to mechanical part and they broke?
So it's not related to that quick service? part just have a defect and all other suppositions is just supposition?
Every part has inhomogenities, question is if they are detectable or not, where they are in the part, etc. Obviously, mistake in service is possible. Also, maybe he cut a corner and hit the wheel in a way that might have damaged the driveshaft. Inspection of the part could answer these questions.

[denkimi]

[Broken drive shaft but they managed to fix it!

If they can fix it on liason, then it wasn't a broken driveshaft. As said here before, i would suspect a mechanics error.

[dupanton]

Meeke ahead of Ostberg after a roll and a puncture... Camilli clearly faster today.
Maybe Ostberg shouold stop thinking about his driving style and just go for it...

[KKS]

that tweet with lie inside. All bad things at his places :(

[dupanton]

If they can fix it on liason, then it wasn't a broken driveshaft. As said here before, i would suspect a mechanics error.

If you see his (split)times, it is not fixed...

[SubaruNorway]

If they can fix it on liason, then it wasn't a broken driveshaft. As said here before, i would suspect a mechanics error.

Just removed the broken one, so in RWD now

[denkimi]

If you see his (split)times, it is not fixed...
Im spectating through my phone, so i haven't seen any splits today.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Latvala: "I have been feeling a bit lost recently. Now I have confidence back. In Corsica I was blaming the car but the fault was the driver..."

[Augury]

Ogier taking a good chunk back from Sordo on this stage.

[KKS]

that hairpins at the end makes a difference.

[OldF]

http://www.ewrc-results.com/results.php?e=27504&s=121142&ct=1020&t=RallyRACC-Catalunya-Costa-Daurada-2016

Breen Craig - Martin Scott
"We had to remove both [front] driveshafts so it's not even a fast recce now. At least My MkII Escort experience has helped me a bit.":)

[KKS]

Friday: -1 VW
Sat: -1 VW
Sun: - ???

[dimviii]

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[Rally Power]

Nice rally. Can't understand why Catalunia is the only mix event of the season.

It'd be great to see Sordo winning there, but Ogier is able to take it. 3rd place fight also interesting.

Nice times from Suarez in the non-evo 208.

[René]

Mikelsen stopped

[dimviii]

#tyre info: All Michelin @OfficialWRC drivers with 5 Michelin Pilot Sport H5 except Meeke and Neuville with 4H+1S | via @Michelin_Sport


Meeke again carying 1 soft tyre,at previous loop this cost him time,now again the same choice...

[dimviii]

Nice times from Suarez in the non-evo 208.

also Suninen with some fast times at asphalt,very close to Tidemand

[dimviii]

Mikelsen stopped

WRC ‏@OfficialWRC 1 λεπτόΠριν από 1 λεπτό

Mikkelsen out - Confirmation from VW: 'Mikkelsen stopped in stage, both crew okay, retired for today.' #WRC

[dimviii]

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[dimviii]

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Latvala from yesterday

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[KKS]

interesting how he can get in this position on tarmac road

[René]

+ 16.2 on second split for Meeke???

[eib1]

https://twitter.com/RorroTTorres/status/787264401988526080

[KKS]

Like a toy

[dimviii]

too many mistakes for Meeke at this rally


Sat 14:24 - Meeke update
The time loss was due to a sixth-gear spin, five or six kilometres into the stage. He says he didn't hit anything.

[dupanton]

https://www.instagram.com/p/BLlNjdmBdys/

Ten Brinke crash

[René]

too many mistakes for Meeke at this rally


Sat 14:24 - Meeke update
The time loss was due to a sixth-gear spin, five or six kilometres into the stage. He says he didn't hit anything.

He searches the limits !

[dupanton]

He searches the limits !

After a few good rallies, he lost it again... Crash in Corsica, crash, puncture and high speed spin now...

[dimviii]

M-Sport ‏@MSportLtd

A technical issue for @EricCamilli and @BenVeillas through SS12. Unfortunately, the Frenchmen will go no further today #WRC #RallyRACC

[Fast Eddie WRC]

MIKKELSEN: Clip of @AMikkelsenRally’s roll on SS12 of @RallyRACC. Crew OK 🇪🇸 @VolkswagenRally #WRC 📹 @RorroTTorres https://t.co/doiuUTE0Vr

[dimviii]

what problem had Latvala ?

[KKS]

Aasen off.
So Suninen have another +1pos. Now he must be 6th. And in this case all will be decided in GB

[dimviii]

DMACK Tyres ‏@DMACK_Tyres 5 λεπτάΠριν από 5 λεπτά

Bad news, @MariusAasen has retired from third in WRC2 after going off and damaging his Fiesta R5

[dimviii]

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Sat 14:48 - SS12: Driver quotes
Another belated selection from the stage end. Ogier first expressed concern for Mikkelsen and co-driver Anders Jaeger. Asked about the implications for his title bid, Seb said: "Well in that case the job is nearly done." Sordo on his fight to keep Seb behind: "He's coming. We're trying very hard. We will just keep pushing and then we will see." Neuville reported huge understeer. Paddon is trying a softer car set-up after service. He also reported variable grip. Østberg has analysed the morning data in service and will continue his new driving stye, targeting more speed this afternoon. Meeke 's car has some front-right aero damage after very high speed 360-degree spin "lucky to get away with it," he said. Camilli arrived at the stage end with his head in his hands. "This should have been our afternoon," he said.

[Augury]

what problem had Latvala ?

Right front puncture.


Aasen off.
So Suninen have another +1pos. Now he must be 6th. And in this case all will be decided in GB

Suninen moves up to fifth now.

[dimviii]

Mikelsens crash from better angle
https://youtu.be/9Hagz8Hz3hk

[Augury]

Mikelsens crash from better angle
https://youtu.be/9Hagz8Hz3hk

Pardon me, if it's a silly question, but why couldn't they just continue? Plenty of spectators around to help flip the car and no apparent damage to the wheels...

[KKS]

Suninen moves up to fifth now.
ewrc disagree with you
http://ewrc-results.com/results.php?e=27504&s=121144&sct=222&ct=1018&t=RallyRACC-Catalunya-Costa-Daurada-2016

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Pardon me, if it's a silly question, but why couldn't they just continue? Plenty of spectators around to help flip the car and no apparent damage to the wheels...

Looks like front end damage.. :(

[Fast Eddie WRC]

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[dimviii]

Sat 15:44 - SS13: Splits watch
Sordo LEVEL with Ogier's time at the 11.50km split.

[Augury]

ewrc disagree with you
http://ewrc-results.com/results.php?e=27504&s=121144&sct=222&ct=1018&t=RallyRACC-Catalunya-Costa-Daurada-2016

Triviño was holding 5th, but he is stopped on the road section.

[EstWRC]

and now 2.9 secs down to Ogier...the lion will get his meal today

[KKS]

and some mistake after it.... I hope a mistake and not slowing pace

[Eli]

Sordo slower than Ogier by 2.7 seconds....overall lead for Sordo 2.5....

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[dimviii]

Sat 15:51 - SS13: Sordo
He completes 2.7sec SLOWER than Ogier. Sordo's lead is now just 2.5sec and he seems resigned to losing the position. "It's impossible to catch him. I am on the limit - too much. It's okay, it's like this. A bit frustrated, but that's life."

[dimviii]

Sat 15:56 - SS13: Meeke
His car missing its front bumper after his previous stage spin. "I spun in 5th gear up the middle of the road. I thought I'd got away with it until we lost the bumper. Too many silly mistakes this rally, I need to eliminate them."

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Looks like Mikkelsen hit the end of the barrier... could have been nasty. Hopefully they have protected the ends now so they cant penetrate a car.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v282/EddieFocus/crash_zpscfj6d0ls.jpg

[Mirek]

Looks like Mikkelsen hit the end of the barrier... could have been nasty. Hopefully they have protected the ends now so they cant penetrate a car.

That's not realy effectively possible.

[René]

Sat 15:56 - SS13: Meeke
His car missing its front bumper after his previous stage spin. "I spun in 5th gear up the middle of the road. I thought I'd got away with it until we lost the bumper. Too many silly mistakes this rally, I need to eliminate them."

Finaly He's lucide Chris...

[Mirek]

Kopecký lost over 30 seconds on the last split. Any information?

[KKS]

tyre

[RS]

Kopecký lost over 30 seconds on the last split. Any information?

'Power steering problem'?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Scariest view of Mikkelesen crash ... :disturb:

https://youtu.be/Ar-rlmnQU_Q

[Fast Eddie WRC]

That's not realy effectively possible.

So instead the barrier was actually running up from the ground at 45degrees and launched the car into the air !

[SubaruNorway]

That's not realy effectively possible.

It helps when it goes down to the ground and not a stump end is not left like in Breen's case.

Broken roll cage? Looked drivable.

[wwbroe]

Slow puncture for Kopecky, so Tidemand now only 5 sec behind, keeps it interesting.;)

[Mirek]

'Power steering problem'?

As KKS wrote it was a front left puncture.


So instead the barrier was actually running up from the ground at 45degrees and launched the car into the air !

Yes, the second option. By this You don't penetrate the car but You create a nice ski jump. Both can be dangerous but You can't anyhow effectively protect the endings when the railbars are already built.


It helps when it goes down to the ground and not a stump end is not left like in Breen's case.

That was exactly this case. Anyyway I spoke about a chance to effectively protect them on stages, i.e. in situation when they are already there. You can't build all of them new to have safer rally one day.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v282/EddieFocus/Mikkel_zpsqh3qecd3.jpg

[Mirek]

I still think that it was better than to crash into those trees or that motorhome...

[macebig]

Roll option was much better than the other possible situations which were:
a)Hitting a barrier edge with a very high possibility of it piercing through the car
b)Hitting a tree sideways(very dangerous for Mikkelsen at that speed) and
c)Crashing into the motorhome,which who knows what it might contain(gas,power generators,fuel and other flammable objects..)

[denkimi]

Yes, the second option. By this You don't penetrate the car but You create a nice ski jump. Both can be dangerous but You can't anyhow effectively protect the endings when the railbars are already built.


hay bales could do the trick.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ogier leads.

[René]

Mixt Rally, 2 weels on asphalt, 2 weels on gravel.

http://i97.servimg.com/u/f97/11/47/50/08/breen10.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/view/11475008/444)

[dimviii]

Amazing clip with Neuville flying into the corner

https://twitter.com/RallyingUK?lang=el

[KKS]

Ogier leads.
You just ruin that pretty silence :D

[Mirek]

hay bales could do the trick.

It's not realistic to put them on every such place. You would need at least hundreds of hay bales for the rally, You would change the nature of the stage by them and often You would have no space to place them.

[b3637853]

First loop by OfficialWRC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSCJciRAX9s

Is the place at 0:52 same place where Mikkelsen crashed? Because look how close he is to the barrier on the first pass.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Salou stage LIVE:

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1289640421055163

[dimviii]

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[SubaruNorway]

First loop by OfficialWRC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSCJciRAX9s

Is the place at 0:52 same place where Mikkelsen crashed? Because look how close he is to the barrier on the first pass.

Seems like it. They've been good at putting out hay bales at the most dangerous spots though.

[Mirek]

Sordo loosing 4,3 seconds on the mickey mouse stage...

[KKS]

Sordo loosing 4,3 seconds on the mickey mouse stage...
Strange decision from him. "I'm doing some sideways... it just for fans".
Oh man, you are fighting for a victory!!!

[dimviii]

wtf?

Sat 18:13 - SS15: Sordo
4.4sec off the pace here. Why? "I do a little bit for the fans - sliding all the time. It's important." He'll start Sunday's competition trailing Ogier by 5.8sec.

[dimviii]

VolkswagenMotorsport ‏@VolkswagenRally

.@AMikkelsenRally fully retires from @RallyRACC. Car cannot be repaired w/what we have available ar service. Next up: @WalesRallyGB. #WRC

[dimviii]

lol quote of the rally

Mads Østberg ‏@MadsOstberg

SS15 I'm quite happy. It's difficult to work like this on a rally. But here it paid off. Try to make it all come together tomorrow #wrc

[Mirek]

Kopecký 2,5 sec faster than Tidemand on the SSS having 14 seconds lead to the last day. Except the puncture he won comfortably all stages today.

Suninen very slow on SSS.

[RS]

Sunninen with another engine problem.

Great time by Kopecky, just 0.8s off the stage win.

[dimviii]

Suninen very slow on SSS.

Suninen had low engine power already from previous stage.


ss 14 quotes

flash info (31 - Suninen Teemu / Markkula Mikko): The engine is down on power again. A different problem to the turbo-related one we had earlier.

[dimviii]

Tanak with his family

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Meeke after ss12 with high speed spin damaging front bumper

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cu0puRjUsAAtOkL.jpg

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Sordo losing time just to entertain the fans... crazy when he still has a chance to win.

Who does he think he is Panizzi ?!

[Teardrop]

Strange decision from him. "I'm doing some sideways... it just for fans".
Oh man, you are fighting for a victory!!!
Ridiculous championship. Ridiculous competitors. Not only was not able to keep the lead, even in his favorite surface, but also still jokes with fans and shows little professionalism. Ridiculous!...
Ogier is on another planet and so far from the others. Ridiculous!...

[bluuford]

Sordo losing time just to entertain the fans... crazy when he still has a chance to win.

Who does he think he is Panizzi ?!
Tactics.. to harm Ogier´s thinking.. what.. I am fighting here.. and he is doing like this? mind games;) Noone knows if he really had some kind of problem.

[Mirek]

I saw that only written. Could have been a sarcasm.

[denkimi]

It's not realistic to put them on every such place. You would need at least hundreds of hay bales for the rally, You would change the nature of the stage by them and often You would have no space to place them.
you could place them wherever the crash barrier on the outside of a fast corner has a sharp end. there's no need to place them everywhere, just on the most dangerous places.



Is the place at 0:52 same place where Mikkelsen crashed? Because look how close he is to the barrier on the first pass.
no. it's a different corner.

[dimviii]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBbSwnqyZfI

[Mirek]

you could place them wherever the crash barrier on the outside of a fast corner has a sharp end. there's no need to place them everywhere, just on the most dangerous places.

Which is on hundreds of places.

[Rallyper]

Mikkelsens car won´t be on stages tomorrow. Looks to much bent on left front.

[smsgrafica]

wtf?

Sat 18:13 - SS15: Sordo
4.4sec off the pace here. Why? "I do a little bit for the fans - sliding all the time. It's important." He'll start Sunday's competition trailing Ogier by 5.8sec.

Could be for the road position?

[Oliverk]

Could be for the road position?

Sure looks like that. Strange that no one here seems to get that.

[N.O.T]

Could be for the road position?

What are you talking about ? they run in reverse tomorrow.

[dimviii]

Sure looks like that. Strange that no one here seems to get that.

and which is the start position he gained with this?


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cu1AFgAWEAAv2_K.jpg:large

[rage82]

What are you talking about ? they run in reverse tomorrow.
Yes and Sordo will be in front of Ogier.

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[Oliverk]

and which is the start position he gained with this?


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cu1AFgAWEAAv2_K.jpg:large

He is not starting tomorrow you dummy

[dimviii]

He is not starting tomorrow you dummy

why Sordo will not start?

[Mk2 RS2000]

What are you talking about ? they run in reverse tomorrow.

So Sordo is on the road directly in front of Ogier, time for payback with cuts to throw debris out onto the road surface

[N.O.T]

Yes and Sordo will be in front of Ogier.

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Yes. and how is this an advantage ?

[N.O.T]

So Sordo is on the road directly in front of Ogier, time for payback with cuts to throw debris out onto the road surface

And Ogier will have some very nice braking points to follow since we are on tarmac, with 10 cars running before them the road conditions will be almost the same

[dimviii]

So Sordo is on the road directly in front of Ogier, time for payback with cuts to throw debris out onto the road surface

there will be much more cars before Sordo to throw debris.

citroen video with Meekes high speed spin onboard.Lucky spin.
https://youtu.be/DZjvMoN8jFg



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cu1PKCDUkAAyvFc.jpg

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Sunday Start List:

http://www.rallyracc.com/2016/online/tablon/documentos/Start_list_S8_TC15D.pdf

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cu1SFNpXEAEeXrt.jpg

[Fast Eddie WRC]

SS14 (4 - Sordo Dani / Martí Marc): I tried to do my best and I am happy with my driving but ok, I am very disappointed to lose the time.

Then goes and loses as much in 2.2km and says:

SS15 (4 - Sordo Dani / Martí Marc): I do a little bit for the fans - sliding all the time. It's important.


Madness.

[SubaruNorway]

no. it's a different corner.

Same corner, there's some signs in the trees you can tell it by

[RS]

Do they not show the first run of the powerstage live anymore?

[stefanvv]

A very good question.

[dimviii]

photos
http://www.rally-mania.cz/photogallery.php?id=1492

http://www.rally-mania.cz/photogallery.php?id=1491

[N.O.T]

Why professional photographers like to take close up photos of the WRC drivers ?

[smsgrafica]

No, Sordo will run 6th tomorrow the tarmac stages are going to be gravel ones by the time he passes.


What are you talking about ? they run in reverse tomorrow.


And Ogier will have some very nice braking points to follow since we are on tarmac, with 10 cars running before them the road conditions will be almost the same

You seem to be a bit confused. First you say running earlier is an advantage, then you say it's a disadvantage. Make up your mind already...

I can't see how Sordo is fighting 100% for the win until the very last stage, only to let it go after being 2nd when just under 2" adrift. The only halfway reasonable explanation I could find is that he wants to start the stage in front of Ogier, even though on tarmac it's just a tiny advantage, if any advantage at all.

[N.O.T]

You should switch to tennis.

Sordo was running 6th and Ogier 1st on day 2, tomorrow they both run very low.

Pleb.

[Mirek]

It would be an advantage if he started first (still rather questionable with Catalan roads) but it's hardly any advantage if they start 14th and 15th. There are no in car splits as well so it makes little sense to me.

[smsgrafica]

You should switch to tennis.

Sordo was running 6th and Ogier 1st on day 2, tomorrow they both run very low.

Pleb.

You switch to badminton, then?

Both run low? Yes!
Ogier running lower? Yes!
Road for Ogier (even if only marginally) dirtier? Yes!

There, I made it as simple as possible, so that even you can understand it.

[smsgrafica]

It would be an advantage if he started first (still rather questionable with Catalan roads) but it's hardly any advantage if they start 14th and 15th. There are no in car splits as well so it makes little sense to me.

I'm with you on this, but I think it's the only (logical?) reason to drop so much time on such a short stage. I'm still baffled he was so slow on purpose...

[rallysupportnl]

WRC Rally Spain 2016 day 2

https://youtu.be/RFpHw-Ly8WY

[dimviii]

video with Neuvilles jump at corner + other drivers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cF9am-QmOg8

[Mirek]

I'm with you on this, but I think it's the only (logical?) reason to drop so much time on such a short stage. I'm still baffled he was so slow on purpose...

And what if it was not on purpose?

[dimviii]

video from yeserday stages,watch how i20 jumped compared with ds3 and polos.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69E1Bk_3k0E

[smsgrafica]

And what if it was not on purpose?

Well, he himself told he was doing sideway driving on purpose to please the fans. Other than that, only a car problem or an obvious mistake could justify losing so much time on such a short stage. He was slower than Bertelli and WRC2 cars, among others.

[mousti]

https://www.instagram.com/p/BLlNjdmBdys/

Ten Brinke crash
He should have stayed on the gas..

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[spark13]

Double post

[spark13]

You seem to be a bit confused. First you say running earlier is an advantage, then you say it's a disadvantage. Make up your mind already...

I can't see how Sordo is fighting 100% for the win until the very last stage, only to let it go after being 2nd when just under 2" adrift. The only halfway reasonable explanation I could find is that he wants to start the stage in front of Ogier, even though on tarmac it's just a tiny advantage, if any advantage at all.

Maybe, because Sordo clearly understands, that he has absolutely no chance to win Seb tomorrow in a straight fight. Only if Ogier will make a mistake or get a flat. And in this case, this 2.2 sec, that he had lost on ss, will be irrelevant.
And those words about entertaining fans are just to mask that understanding on comments?

[EstWRC]

Michelin vs Dmack

http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2016/photos/rallyracc_catalunya_costa_daurada_2016/jpr_img_5867-01.jpg
http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2016/photos/rallyracc_catalunya_costa_daurada_2016/jpr_img_6018-12.jpg

[KKS]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cu1SFNpXEAEeXrt.jpg
looks like same place as Nueville on short video from twitter.

[KKS]

Add my opinion to your's discution about Sordo:
Sordo already was behind Ogier by 1.7 sec. Spectator stage so short so he couldn't just imagine so he cut 1.7 sec from Ogier. Even if he done super clear and fast stage - he can cut only 0.5-1.0 sec. So loosing 4.1 sec on purpose is completly bad idea.

[KKS]

Michelin Motorsport ‏@Michelin_Sport (https://twitter.com/Michelin_Sport) 29m29 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/Michelin_Sport/status/787521020672475136)
#RallyRACC (https://twitter.com/hashtag/RallyRACC?src=hash) #Tyre (https://twitter.com/hashtag/Tyre?src=hash) info: all Michelin @OfficialWRC (https://twitter.com/OfficialWRC) drivers with 5 Michelin Pilot Sport H5 except Ostberg 4S+1H & Camilli: 4S



Camilli witout spare?

[dimviii]

Ott Tänak ‏@OttTanak 55 λεπτάΠριν από 55 λεπτά

Once again we are up before the sun! Choosing tyres is harder, it's quite cold this morning

[KKS]

Meeke - stopped
and 1st split not good too +0.5 to Tanak

[dimviii]

SS16: Kris Meeke - WRC+ live tracking shows him stopped at the 7.34km point. #WRC

[KKS]

Sordo 1st split might be a little bit quicker! +0.8 to Paddon

[dimviii]

Citroën Racing ‏@CitroenRacing

.@krismeeke retires from #RallyRACC in SS16 with engine trouble. #WRC

[KKS]

2nd split Ogier 1.4 quicker.
And it's all over :( Sordo can't match him with speed

[dimviii]

Paddon now 13,4 sec from Neuville.
impressive pace from Paddon at asphalt when all top crews pushing.

[stefanvv]

Add my opinion to your's discution about Sordo:
Sordo already was behind Ogier by 1.7 sec. Spectator stage so short so he couldn't just imagine so he cut 1.7 sec from Ogier. Even if he done super clear and fast stage - he can cut only 0.5-1.0 sec. So loosing 4.1 sec on purpose is completly bad idea.

And today Paddon is faster. Sordo seems to set for 2nd already.

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cu3gq9UXYAAHh4J.jpg

[KKS]

Sordo seems to set for 2nd already.
Age? Mental problems? Or team orders to keep him on the road?
I didn't understand that when he so close from home win.

[dimviii]

Citroën Racing ‏@CitroenRacing

.@krismeeke retires from #RallyRACC in SS16 with engine trouble. #WRC

Sun 08:05 - SS16: Ogier
No let up from the defending champ. He's fastest. "It's good. Once again, this stage was wetter than expected. And Kris crashed at one of those points. I'm happy to get through this one."



????

[stefanvv]

Age? Mental problems? Or team orders to keep him on the road?

Probably just desperate.

[KKS]

Sun 08:05 - SS16: Ogier
No let up from the defending champ. He's fastest. "It's good. Once again, this stage was wetter than expected. And Kris crashed at one of those points. I'm happy to get through this one."



????
This happens when you want something so hard and you imagine this everywhere
Aggrrr, I'm didn't like this champion.

[KKS]

Silly wrc.com:
split time - 7:53, stage end time - 8:15
http://rs479.pbsrc.com/albums/rr154/EpIcFaIl11/facepalm.jpg~c200

[dimviii]

Prokop ss17

http://www.ewrc-results.com/quickp/27504_cu3rmo-xgaesplq.jpg

[dimviii]

Hayden Paddon ‏@HaydenPaddon

More progress this morning and keeping the pressure on. Heading back for quick service then repeat the same 2 stages. Maybe some PS points?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cu3wNg1WIAA6DRY.jpg

[dimviii]

Tidemand keeps pressure to Kopecky 10,1 sec difference now

[KKS]

I think it's too cuations approach for Kopecky and at repeat stages he will be quicker.

[RS]

If Tidemand doesn't win he's out the title race, right?

[KKS]

He have only theoretically chances. He must win every rally to get ahead of Evans. And Suninen and Lappi must score less than Evans.
So Tidemand not real title contender

[dimviii]

Thierry Neuville ‏@thierryneuville

Strong support for @nicolasgilsoul in Spain! And his fan number one is here too ������ #Family

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cu38_QJWEAAfmRc.jpg:large



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cu36e2oWcAAgqqr.jpg

[skarderud]

I'm quite impressed of paddon and breen's speed on tarmac, much closer to the best ones than expected.
Little surprised that ostberg is faster than camilli, and the dmacks is not even close to Michelin.

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[KKS]

And now it's only armco vs Ogier battle :(
Sordo drops off

[denkimi]

Same corner, there's some signs in the trees you can tell it by
no. the threes are different, the rocks are different, the signs along the road are different, ...
it looks alike, but it's not the same place.

[EstWRC]

I'm quite impressed of paddon and breen's speed on tarmac, much closer to the best ones than expected.
Little surprised that ostberg is faster than camilli, and the dmacks is not even close to Michelin.

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Sad but true, for example...the stage that they just finished, Pradtip...Latvala just won the stage with a time 10.53.1, last year Tänak had a time 10.53 on this stage and now with Dmack the time is 11:09, 16 secs slower.

[KKS]

Sad but true, for example...the stage that they just finished, Pradtip...Latvala just won the stage with a time 10.53.1, last year Tänak had a time 10.53 on this stage and now with Dmack the time is 11:09, 16 secs slower.
Run this stage today evening and time will be different to
Different conditions - different times.

[Mirek]

Sad but true, for example...the stage that they just finished, Pradtip...Latvala just won the stage with a time 10.53.1, last year Tänak had a time 10.53 on this stage and now with Dmack the time is 11:09, 16 secs slower.

While I aree that DMack isn't on the pace of Michelin such comparison between different years is really tricky. You can find quite a lot of surprises if You go deep after them.

[EstWRC]

of course it isnt direct comparison but we get some kind of picture how much worse they are compared to michelin

[SubaruNorway]

no. the threes are different, the rocks are different, the signs along the road are different, ...
it looks alike, but it's not the same place.

Nope! Look at the tree with the < shape ;) (I'm not giving up so easy)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Here comes an hour of Jon Desborough... mute button ready. :(

[dimviii]

for NOT


https://scontent-cdg2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14680637_987619101364734_1903530457350168420_n.jpg ?oh=672900a0c197c990ff610e8931c03e47&oe=58AC0CBA

[HaCo]

Power stage live stream anyone?

LaDeux is transmitting WC biking :(

[TWRC]

The coverage is still so bad, with Camilli alone Desborough said 2x "let's go onboard with them", and so they immediately cut away to the helicopter. Also, they cut to the helicopter when the car is not visible from there due to trees... Those skits before starts... They mention Camilli's gearbox noise, yet they don't point it out when it can be heard, instead, talk about something irrelevant... Such a shame.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Seem to be more on-stage cameras than usual, but the audio is ruined as badly as ever...

[Rallyper]

The coverage is still so bad, with Camilli alone Desborough said 2x "let's go onboard with them", and so they immediately cut away to the helicopter. Also, they cut to the helicopter when the car is not visible from there due to trees... Those skits before starts... They mention Camilli's gearbox noise, yet they don't point it out when it can be heard, instead, talk about something irrelevant... Such a shame.

Bad transmission from Camillis´car. Cut every time they tried to send from car. Noise was heard loud and clear in the short sequences.

[GigiGalliNo1]

Ostberg on final stage said that everything went together and well on this stage...

Really?! On the final stage. Well done :/ Not.

[AL14]

Those audio cheering by the fans put without any sense at the live coverage? lol

[WUff1]

Neuville on par with Paddon - well fight done :)

[itix]

Congrats to seb... was there ever any doubt?

[Rallyper]

Congrats to seb... was there ever any doubt?

No.
Congrats to the master.

[GravelBen]

Congrats to seb... was there ever any doubt?

Yes, I remember last year.

[Mirek]

Congrats to Seb Ogier for another title. Nice to see again that Hyundai is fully competitive team and it's basically only Ogiers exceptional skills what makes the difference. Also congrats to Jan Kopecký and Pavel Dresler for the well deserved victory in WRC2.

[dimviii]

well done to Ogier Ingrassia. Well deserved 4th championship.
Very bad rally for Meeke.
Waiting more from Sordo at asphalt.
Another good rally for Neuville
Paddon was the happy surprise with his asphalt pace.
Tanak unfortunately couldnt do more due to well known issue.
Breen nice job,steady and avoiding mistakes.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cu4j1szXYAAQ0n_.jpg:large

[BigWorm]

Why does Hayden have to mention how much he misses gravel rallies when it's a tarmac rally? He needs to drop that thinking if he's to take the next step on asphalt.

[RS]

Congratulations to Ogier/Ingrassia and VW on another title. There is simply no good enough all-rounder to challenge them (yet)

Also good job by Kopecky. Very good speed on gravel built the foundation for the win despite yesterdays puncture.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

. Nice to see again that Hyundai is fully competitive team and it's basically only Ogiers exceptional skills what makes the difference.

Hyundai still has work to do. The VW is still the best car.

As Sordo said, if he had a Polo he would've beaten Ogier here.

[SubaruNorway]

Why does Hayden have to mention how much he misses gravel rallies when it's a tarmac rally? He needs to drop that thinking if he's to take the next step on asphalt.

Maybe because the tarmac in Spain is pretty boring? Long wide corners aren't that exiting, hopefully Ireland will be back soon!

[EstWRC]

Congrats to the Master! i really like this Hyundai line-up and i hope they will be even more stronger next year and will trouble Ogier even more. Good to see Neuville back this season.
Latvala's pace was very good even on tarmac but what a stupid mistake on Friday! Meeke has been his old-self the last two rallies.

[dimviii]

As Sordo said, if he had a Polo he would've beaten Ogier here.

really did he said that?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

really did he said that?

Yesterday, yes.

[skarderud]

Hyundai still has work to do. The VW is still the best car.

As Sordo said, if he had a Polo he would've beaten Ogier here.
Especially the rear suspension has some left vs the polo.


I'm bit supriced that ostberg is "only" 0,5 sec/km behind at powerstage, has he ever been closer at tarmac?


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[stefanvv]

Yesterday, yes.

This must have been a joke. He has good sense of humor. And of course congrats to Ogier/Ingrassia.

[dimviii]

Sun 12:59 - SS19: WRC 2 Kopecky
The WRC 2 leader completes cleanly. "It's been great and thanks to the team, We have showed our speed on gravel too - and that's good. It's not confirmed yet but I hope to be in GB."

[N.O.T]

Very nice title by Ogier, now he must win it next year as well so everyone can laugh at Makinen and his stupid arrogant comments after Oz 99.

[EstWRC]

what he said?

[N.O.T]

what he said?

he said that winning 4 consecutive titles would be very very hard for anyone to match... garbage dog of nothingness, good luck in flopping the poor japanese guys.

[Ucci]

As Sordo said, if he had a Polo he would've beaten Ogier here.
I think he said this out of despair.....

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cu4u1NBW8AQskMq.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cu4u1NBWgAQQhji.jpg

[dbrito26]

Sordo must be kidding, after we said that thing about pleasing the fans...

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161016/44cd31f04b1cdebc95308951bb508c7b.jpg

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[stefanvv]

he said that winning 4 consecutive titles would be very very hard for anyone to match... garbage dog of nothingness, good luck in flopping the poor japanese guys.

I'm pretty sure he had bigger competition then.

[AndyRAC]

Here comes an hour of Jon Desborough... mute button ready. :(

He isn't a commentator - he's far better as an intro man.

But, how generous of RBMH to provide one proper Live TV stage all weekend...when the result was virtually a given. They really have to up their game next year. C+

[N.O.T]

I'm pretty sure he had bigger competition then.

of course you are pretty sure, but nobody pays attention to you.

[Mirek]

Maybe because the tarmac in Spain is pretty boring? Long wide corners aren't that exiting, hopefully Ireland will be back soon!

I know quite a number of drivers who like those stages.

[Mirek]

As Sordo said, if he had a Polo he would've beaten Ogier here.

He could have said whatever he wanted but that doesn't make it true. The truth is that nobody knows.

[Mirek]

I'm bit supriced that ostberg is "only" 0,5 sec/km behind at powerstage, has he ever been closer at tarmac?

Is it "only"? 0,5 s/km is quite a huge margin on WRC level.


I'm pretty sure he had bigger competition then.

How can You be sure about something what can't be proven by any way?

[skarderud]

Is it "only"? 0,5 s/km is quite a huge margin on WRC level.



How can You be sure about something what can't be proven by any way?
"only", quite important those " before and after only.
But the question is still, has he been closer? I can't remember, just thinking of he has "worked on his style" last races, and seemed real happy with his powerstagerun.



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[stefanvv]

How can You be sure about something what can't be proven by any way?

Well, it was much more difficult for him to win those, unlike the 2 Frenchmen.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

He could have said whatever he wanted but that doesn't make it true. The truth is that nobody knows.

So didnt you see the videos in the same place showing the Polo solid as a rock and the i20 squirming around ?

As the saying goes, there's many a true word spoken in jest.

[stefanvv]

of course you are pretty sure, but nobody pays attention to you.

Ah, ok then, just say "please ignore my comments", and I gladly will.

[Mirek]

So didnt you see the videos in the same place showing the Polo solid as a rock and the i20 squirming around ?

So we know that Polo was better on 10 meters of Rally Catalunya. Now tell me please what does it prove in overal picture? I'm pretty sure Fiesta R5 takes that places better than Fabia. Is it better car because of that?


Well, it was much more difficult for him to win those, unlike the 2 Frenchmen.

The fact that it was more difficult for him may well speak about his own capabilities not about the level of others. Think about it.

[stefanvv]

The fact that it was more difficult for him may well speak about his own capabilities not about the level of others. Think about it.

I only said he has been right to say it's difficult, nothing more.

[Mirek]

You did not.


I'm pretty sure he had bigger competition then.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

So we know that Polo was better on 10 meters of Rally Catalunya. Now tell me please what does it prove in overal picture? I'm pretty sure Fiesta R5 takes that places better than Fabia. Is it better car because of that?



The fact that it was more difficult for him may well speak about his own capabilities not about the level of others. Think about it.

That place was just an example.

So how about all the Hyundai drivers continually complaining about their cars oversteer, understeer etc .. meanwhile Ogier and even Latvala win nearly all the stages...

[Mirek]

All Hyundai drivers are ahead of Latvala in the standings. How is that possible if they have so much worse car available? In average Hyundai drivers have 117,3 points. VW drivers except Ogier have average 115,5.

[dimviii]

we were talking about haybales at dangerous places?

https://scontent-cdg2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14671291_1797572860457128_2765459404974140876_n.jp g?oh=7d5e99902b7eecd52b1a7776ab7ae017&oe=58A82C56
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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cu5IfvdWIAE28uv.jpg:large

[Fast Eddie WRC]

All Hyundai drivers are ahead of Latvala in the standings. How is that possible if they have so much worse car available? In average Hyundai drivers have 117,3 points. VW drivers except Ogier have average 115,5.

That's Latvala having a bad spell, not finishing/scoring due to his errors. Hyundai drivers are having a consistent run but the VW is the better, faster car/team.

[Mirek]

That's pure speculation. Neuville and Paddon have been crashing through the season pretty much as well.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

13 VW stage wins to 3 here in Spain at the peak of Hyundai's competitiveness ...

[Eli]

13 VW stage wins to 3 here in Spain at the peak of Hyundai's competitiveness ...
and 2 of those (correct me if I'm wrong) are Latvala's so Ogier with 11 stage wins? just shows you how he's a class beyond anyone else....

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[Fast Eddie WRC]

and 2 of those (correct me if I'm wrong) are Latvala's so Ogier with 11 stage wins? just shows you how he's a class beyond anyone else....

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You are wrong.

7 wins by Latvala, 6 by Ogier.

[Eli]

You are wrong.

7 wins by Latvala, 6 by Ogier.
oh sorry, my bad then...yeah the VW's r still the team to beat but hopefully next year's regulation will level the playing field.

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[JoostSchouten]

My highlights of the WRC Rally Catalunya 2016!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4bnULRQXlU

http://i64.tinypic.com/2mxpmzc.jpg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4bnULRQXlU)