Rally Estonia 2016

[bluuford]

It is time to start this thread.

Today, 30th of May is final date for entries with reduced fee!

We have still 46 days to go and we have first 5 entries for ERC and 5 entries for Historics also.

All documentrs regarding ERC, Histroics and Open class can be found from here (from the top left you can choose category):

http://rallyestonia.com/competitors/erc/documents-2016/

Free practice and quali will be held on Friday this year also Tartu City stage, Saturday is full day 8 stages and concluding city stage in Elva and Sunday is also rather long day with 6 stages and over 80 km of stages!

PS! Week before is planned "mini test rally" with similar roads with the aim to offer possibility for testing!

Rally passes can be bought from the beginning of June.

See you soon!

[dimviii]

Karlip
‏@Karlip1

According to Õhtuleht, @OttTanak "in talks" with M-Sport/DMack to do @RallyEstonia! #RallyEstonia

[EstWRC]

there's a press conference at the moment, Aava confirmed that Kajito will be here

they have some english tweets from the conference https://twitter.com/RallyEstonia

[Oliverk]

Urmo Aava "We have added Open category with 2 classes: 2WD and 4WD. You can have any car compete, even if it has 1000 HP." #RallyEstonia
Urmo Aava "The Open car has to be safe for the drivers and for the spectators. We hope to see local Prototype cars here." #RallyEstonia

[dimviii]

Kajto vs Luky at Estonia.
Is anybody that bets to Kajto?

[cali]

Kajto vs Luky at Estonia.
Is anybody that bets to Kajto?
Assuming that both have no technical problems Kajto has no chance here against Luky. None.

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[Fast Eddie WRC]

auto24 Rally Estonia ‏@RallyEstonia

Urmo Aava "We're glad to announce that @Kajto_pl will start #RallyEstonia! He'll be the one to watch for victory!" #PressConference

[RS]

Is Tanak still a possibility or did they decide to do Ypres instead?

[Jarek Z]

First entries have been revealed at https://www.fiaerc.com/kajetanowicz-leads-early-entries-for-erc-rally-estonia/

[EstWRC]

Is Tanak still a possibility or did they decide to do Ypres instead?


very low possibility but if there comes a sponsor (like 2 years ago "Expert" ) who pays for it then its possible.

[Jarek Z]

It seems the official Toyota drivers Katsuta and Arai are going to compete in Rally Estonia at the wheel of Ford Fiesta R5:
http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/news/april-2016/toyota-youngsters/page/3439--12-12-.html

[Allar]

very low possibility but if there comes a sponsor (like 2 years ago "Expert" ) who pays for it then its possible.

Do you have any information or just quessing?

[Andre Oliveira]

It seems the official Toyota drivers Katsuta and Arai are going to compete in Rally Estonia at the wheel of Ford Fiesta R5:
http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/news/april-2016/toyota-youngsters/page/3439--12-12-.html

Yes, part of their program: http://newsroom.toyota.co.jp/en/detail/11627323

[RS]

So now no Tanak on Ypres, better chance for him on Estonia?

[Andre Oliveira]

Vasiliy Gryazin back on Rally Estonia

[RS]

Vasiliy Gryazin back on Rally Estonia

Great! With what car?

[Andre Oliveira]

208 R2 of Sports Racing Technologies. Good car to be back on business :) Hope a total recover

[Jarek Z]

So two Gryazin brothers back in action! Good luck to them!

[bluuford]

Pärn is also in the list with Fiesta R5 now

[Jarek Z]

Polish champion Lukasz Habaj is going to drive Rally Estonia with Ford Fiesta R5.

http://www.autoklub.pl/news/foto/201606/news20160622_68864h.jpg

[Jarek Z]

Oleksii Tamrazov and Nicola Arena have entered the rally with Ford Fiesta S2000.

[RS]

If we have Kajto, Lukyanuk and Sirmacis in R5 cars this should be a really good event. Tanak would make it great.

[Tinke1979]

What is the page where I can find the entries for ERC, Historic and Open Class?

[Jarek Z]

What is the page where I can find the entries for ERC, Historic and Open Class?

Provisional entry list for ERC:
http://rallyestonia.com/competitors/erc/entry-list/

[Tinke1979]

Provisional entry list for ERC:
http://rallyestonia.com/competitors/erc/entry-list/

Thanks :)

[Tinke1979]

Not so many entries at the moment :/ and soon it is the closing time for entries... No Lukyanuk!!??

[bluuford]

Not so many entries at the moment :/ and soon it is the closing time for entries... No Lukyanuk!!??
Most of entries arrive on last two days usually ;)

[Tinke1979]

Most of entries arrive on last two days usually ;)

Monday 27 June
18:00 Closing date for entries

...So... Not so many entries? :D or are they going to update list only two days before the rally?

[bluuford]

Monday 27 June
18:00 Closing date for entries

...So... Not so many entries? :D or are they going to update list only two days before the rally?

Yeah, local forums are telling that Koitla is still to be added (in RC2/NR4 class) and also Lukyanuk with Fiesta R5 ;)

[Kiiver]

Lukyanuk is in and ready to defend last year's victory http://rallyestonia.com/alexey-lukynauk-wants-to-defend-last-years-auto24-rally-estonia-victory/

[RS]

Peugeot Rally Academy on the entrylist with Suarez.

Warm up for Finland?

[Tinke1979]

Only one week to go before start! :) Looking forward to this rally again!! In 2011 I was first time there... Too bad that ERC -value dropped a lot of entries, but still the event is good enough to visit there every year :)

[bluuford]

Today was press conference and they said that entries for open class is still open. So, as it is already open class, they opened it a bit more ;) So, there are 11 cars at the moment and we might see more. The list is not too long but it has a great quality in it!

[Tinke1979]

Today was press conference and they said that entries for open class is still open. So, as it is already open class, they opened it a bit more ;) So, there are 11 cars at the moment and we might see more. The list is not too long but it has a great quality in it!

How long are they gonna keep it open? :) and how much does it cost to drive in open class? maybe it cost too much and that is why there is not so many entries... Hopefully a few more, but despite everything we are going to be there to spectate :D even though we have a good rally here in Finland same time :D

[bluuford]

Open Class 2WD is 900 Eur (including VAT) and 1080 for 4WD
They do 9 stages

[Munkvy]

Someone lend me a car and I will come do it..!

[Tinke1979]

Someone lend me a car and I will come do it..!

You should call to Tommi Mäkinen or Markko Märtin ;) ...Or to Eero Räikkönen (PrintSport Racing)

[Munkvy]

I said lend, not rent... Sadly I doubt I could afford to rent one!

[MontgomeryBurns]

Hello! Can somebody tell me the GPS-Coordinates from "Alakyla Spectator Area" (SS6+8)? Or a link to google maps. Is it there: https://goo.gl/maps/JYhPoXFVRTQ2 ?

[Zigz]

Hi, alaküla spectator area is there - https://www.google.de/maps/place/58%C2%B000'47.8%22N+26%C2%B033'02.5%22E/@58.0129265,26.5495815,283m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0x0!8m2!3d58.013288!4d 26.550708

[bluuford]

Geord Gross will start for Tartu stage and Ott Tänak for Elva stage with 150 hp 320 kg rear wheel drive buggy, 10 minutes before first ERC car.

[dimviii]

Takamoto Katsuta ‏@TakamotoKatsuta

Test in Estonia today too for this weekend. with @MM_Motorsport @danielbarritt

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnJ6BM8WEAAfHwH.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnJ6BNDWYAAEehi.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnJ6BM-WcAA1tF8.jpg

[Tinke1979]

Spotted Pluto on test stage via Jani Salo´s LIVE -video :)

This video is on facebook running atm!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Fully sideways at Rally Estonia test for Alexey Lukyanuk :cool:

Clip https://twitter.com/Karlip1/status/753235948016664576

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnP0WwGWAAEuiTV.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnP0ukjWAAAPy1d.jpg

[dimviii]

i am very curious to see, if Luky had an advantage with N 4 Mitsu evo,when won.

[Ucci]

i am very curious to see, if Luky had an advantage with N 4 Mitsu evo,when won.

The exact answer to this question could only be answered personally by Lukyanuk.
IMHO there is no advantage with EvoX gr.N compare to R5 car-everything what an Evo gains on fast sections loses on each heavy braking, on each direction change, on acceleration from lower speeds.....

[Fast Eddie WRC]

In 2015 Lukyanuk won half of the stages (8/16) in the Evo, the rest were won by the R5's...

I think Luky's experience and commitment on these fast roads should see him win again.... as long as he doesn't push too hard ! :disturb:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v282/EddieFocus/Luky_zpsxq7gyvko.jpg

[Ucci]

In 2015 Lukyanuk won half of the stages (8/16) in the Evo, the rest were won by the R5's...

I think Luky's experience and commitment on these fast roads should see him win again.... as long as he doesn't push too hard ! :disturb:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v282/EddieFocus/Luky_zpsxq7gyvko.jpg

Agree !

[RS]

Those are the pros and cons but I don't think we can say one exactly balances the other.

However I can't remember another event where N4 has been quicker than R5?

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnVU1euWgAAV50Q.jpg

New codriver for @ralfssirmacis for this #FIAERC round. Get well soon @ArtursSimins ��

[Martins Tolks]

Kulšs was codriver for Sirmacis in the beginning of his carrier. So no exactly new.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Huge rock in Tarabus's radiator !

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnZg2XEWcAAkki8.jpg:large

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnZe-lTWAAAfUeJ.jpg:large

[Fast Eddie WRC]

A lot of smoke for Tarabus at the end of the qualifying stage after he hit a stone… :(

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnZfEROWEAAwxgj.jpg

[Fast Eddie WRC]

QS results:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnZjs8oXgAAPenu.jpg:large

Although ERC.com now showing Opel's Chris Ingram with the 5th best time !?

EDIT:auto24 Rally Estonia ‏@RallyEstonia
@ChrisIngramGB @EAERallying @FIAERC Wrong time!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Lukyanuk after QS: «Tricky stage with soft sand but it’s nice, I love Estonia. It’s easier in the R5 car, after the Mitsu last year»

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cnan9_eW8AAXsNd.jpg

[dimviii]

Qualifying stage
https://youtu.be/Y8NoIjBUsRE

[dimviii]

Luky finally on new overalls!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cnao8Q-WgAESEiD.jpg

[dimviii]

https://youtu.be/JiT0PCggKm8

[EstWRC]

Aava saying in estonian media that there was already an agreement with Tänak to participate but it changed because Dmack decided to test the tarmac tyres more.

Reportedly the last test wasnt good and the tyres arent very good.

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnbFCBtWYAERzBe.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnbFCBwWYAAQVCI.jpg

[dimviii]

Arai with broken rim

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnbAf3bWgAUqj8M.jpg:large

[dimviii]

Katsuta overshooting

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cna-5emW8AACUue.jpg

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Win for Lukyanuk on SS1 and Kajto lost 7.5s with an overshoot..

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnbJZbbXgAAt6mR.jpg:large

[bluuford]

First day done :) Free practice was quite nice, we met the same Eurosport cameraman whose camera was hit by Plangis car last year. We heared that camera was broken after that fall and it was sent to Japan to fix it :)

Stage was generally in good condition (compraed to previous years) apart from a few stones that were digged out from soft corners... I threw similar stone away from the middle of the road (behind my corner in) that Tarabus hit half hour later. It was very big bang, unlucky for him, because I have seen only two big stones in this stage before, both were this year, today:/

There was overnight rain and a few raindrops during qualy, but nothing special, track became dryer and dryer. Kajto was qoing fast, Aus was a bit wide in places, Kaur was very tidy, Plangi was a bit wide also but fast. Lukyanuk did onely one competitive run. He did one very slow run during free practice (ca 60 km/h).

Niinemäe was class of its own, Ingram was also fast and other 2WD looked like tiny step behind.

Arai looked fast and was quite tidy in gravel and Katsuta looked fast but rusty, wide and a bit dangerous style. On city stage, both were very rusty and didnt looked good (Katsuta hit a post and Arai broke a wheel. So, it seems that they have developed a lot on gravel but gravel tyres on tramac is too new for them.

Kaspercyk broke his wheel at the beggining of the stage 1 and was limping through the stage.

Tomorrow morning might be little bit damp with some raindrops here and there, but nothing too serious. I am currently a few km away from SS2 start. We had one rainshower today here. So, first stages should be a bit soft and maybe starting somewhere in midfield might be the best option. First stage will be very difficult with some very tricky jumps and some very tecnical downhills with a bit silty-slidy road surface. So, I expect SS2 might bring us big differeces already.

I assume that Lucky makes good margin on SS2 already, and then others will follow. Plangi, Kaur and Aus might shine on SS2 as well (no ruts yet and fast stages).

Good night!

[timlord22]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFGI_aynq90 (crash Katsuta)

[RS]

Rare engine failure for Tarabus.. maybe it was damaged after yesterday's incident with the rock.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Lukyanuk with a fine start and fastest times on SS 2 & 3. Hope it contines... he deserves some good luck.

Kaur in the old Evo in 2nd shows its still got speed here.

Ingram leading his Opel team-mates in the Juniors.

[dimviii]

Kajto mistake at ss1
https://youtu.be/WV7I4TdLxMM

[dimviii]

live incar from Keneth Sepp
https://youtu.be/LnBTTqyTK0g

[dimviii]

what top speed difference they have? where is br21 when you need him?

FIA ERC ‏@FIAERC

.@AlexeyLukyanuk after SS4: « The stage is cleaner now. We’re driving a lot on the limiter. Skoda have a great max speed. » #FIAERC

[tommeke_B]

Wasn't it for Fiesta +-189kph and Fabia +-204kph? Correct me if I'm wrong. :)

[stefanvv]

live incar from Keneth Sepp
https://youtu.be/LnBTTqyTK0g

This stream seems working fine. Yeap quite fast stage.

[dimviii]

This stream seems working fine. Yeap quite fast stage.

a privateer can have live stream from incar,but yet to watch something like this from wrc crews.

[dimviii]

Wasn't it for Fiesta +-189kph and Fabia +-204kph? Correct me if I'm wrong. :)

big difference, if these top speeds are right.

[Mirek]

Wasn't it for Fiesta +-189kph and Fabia +-204kph? Correct me if I'm wrong. :)

I don't think so. Originally Fabia had only one set of gears homologated and the second option was kept as a joker for future. I haven't heard about them homologating even longer set than the first one whose top speed was afaik 194 km/h or so.

Fiesta R5 originally had top speed only around 175 km/h but the second longer set was homologated last year. I believe the top speed was 189 km/h or something like that.

Definitely Br21 knows better.

[Mirek]

Rare engine failure for Tarabus.. maybe it was damaged after yesterday's incident with the rock.

I believe the failure was a result of the stone incident.

[Mirek]

Tamrazov went off
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-NesAIl9KWvM/V4oCpoUreHI/AAAAAAAA6Lw/-T3Sw_jJIm0lhMTVQSHiHR8QVCOaUSPdgCL0B/w958-h719-no/CneiIbZWAAANPDR.jpg%2Blarge.jpg

[Oliverk]

a privateer can have live stream from incar,but yet to watch something like this from wrc crews.

Estonia has supreme 4G coverage. Thats why. Harder for other countries to have live feed.

[cosmin_sb]

very interesting ...i have saw the SS5 from Keneth Sepp car and the stream working very well :)

[dimviii]

tight fight at wrc4 with Gryazin closing to Ninemae at 2,5 sec

[raybak]

WRC won't let you stream live. Was told a couple of years ago that I couldn't stream live at Rally Australia, I would be excluded if I did.

Ray

[Mirek]

wow :-)
https://www.facebook.com/960618870712431/videos/1050770605030590/

[EstWRC]

Always great to see the comments from drivers that they absolutely love the stages here. It will never happen but it would be amazing to see WRC event here but i wont stop dreaming. im sure the drivers would love it.

[dimviii]

Always great to see the comments from drivers that they absolutely love the stages here. It will never happen but it would be amazing to see WRC event here but i wont stop dreaming. im sure the drivers would love it.

yes will be fantastic to see best world drivers there.

[dimviii]

Arai rolled

[Simmi]

Looks like the second Gazoo junior Arai has rolled. Will try to get to Finland early to see them.

[dimviii]

Arai roll.A big one
https://twitter.com/volpriit?lang=el

[RS]

Someone needs to sign Sirmacis.

[EstWRC]

Kaur retired with engine problem :(

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Juniors - Ingram back ahead after Griebel struggled in the ruts...

[Mirek]

Juniors - Ingram back ahead after Griebel struggled in the ruts...

Niinimäe and Gryazin aren't wort attention?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Kaur retired with engine problem :(

Shame. :(

Nice bonus for Kajto though !

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Niinimäe and Gryazin aren't wort attention?

Not for me as not in the Championship battle...

[dimviii]

Someone needs to sign Sirmacis.

[Rallypermodeon] Bergvist is better[/Rallypermodeoff]

[Mirek]

[Rallypermodeon] Bergvist is better[/Rallypermodeoff]

Bergkvist was clearly better when both were in R2 cars so I would agree that he has a potential. The issue is that unlike Sirmacis he doesn't have a competitive car and a very good team.


Not for me as not in the Championship battle...

Sometimes I miss dislike.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Any TV / live stream of the Elva city stage ?

[dimviii]

Arai rolling from heli
https://youtu.be/PrV_d-bgbng

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Mirek, I am following the battle for Junior title.

I expect locals to do better times and their fans can comment on them.

[Mirek]

Arai rolling from heli
https://youtu.be/PrV_d-bgbng

Why I don't think it's accidental that lately everything somehow involving Toyota always fails?

[Tauri_J]

Any TV / live stream of the Elva city stage ?

I think it will be here

http://sport.delfi.ee/news/auto/rallyestonia/otsepilt-ja-blogi-rally-estonia-teine-paev-on-pakkunud-ponevat-heitlust-ja-mitut-suurt-avariid?id=75079179

[N.O.T]

Arai rolling from heli
https://youtu.be/PrV_d-bgbng

Is this Arai a relative of Toshihiro ?

[cali]

Is this Arai a relative of Toshihiro ?
Son

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[dimviii]

Why I don't think it's accidental that lately everything somehow involving Toyota always fails?

their choices...

[Mirek]

Kajto without power steering.

[svstock]

Elva city stage live: http://tv.delfi.ee/live/

and Ott Tänak with Speedcar Estonia live feed: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/JsjVvN9an6A

[EstWRC]

Tänak just cant hold back, lol...over the limit but good show for the spectators :)

[RS]

Bergkvist was clearly better when both were in R2 cars so I would agree that he has a potential. The issue is that unlike Sirmacis he doesn't have a competitive car and a very good team.


I did wonder whether the wisdom of using a sub-standard car in WRC2 was a good move for Bergkvist's career. .

On the other hand, Sirmacis impressed me more this year than Bergkvist did with his R5 prize drive on Valais.

[dimviii]

yeap Sirmacis has done very good till now.At this rally to win stages from Luky is not easy.His age is promising for his evolution.
Abput Bergvist i think that his choice with ds3 is about money.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cnf_Mh6W8AACv1Y.jpg:large

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Couldn't get the SS10 stream to run here, even with Hola. :(

Tanak on UStream OK though :)

[stefanvv]

On the other hand, Sirmacis impressed me more this year than Bergkvist did with his R5 prize drive on Valais.

Agree

[RS]

yeap Sirmacis has done very good till now.At this rally to win stages from Luky is not easy.His age is promising for his evolution.
Abput Bergvist i think that his choice with ds3 is about money.


Perhaps Bergvist should think more about value than cost or he might end up damaging his career.

An ERC programme or fewer WRC2 events with a good car may have been a better idea.

[Rallyper]

I did wonder whether the wisdom of using a sub-standard car in WRC2 was a good move for Bergkvist's career. .

On the other hand, Sirmacis impressed me more this year than Bergkvist did with his R5 prize drive on Valais.

How could you be serious with that comment. He went 4th in one off event. And first time in 4wd R5. And then also tarmac event.

Mirek is spot on. Listen to him. Not to me.
And why not take a read on Lundefaret as well.
To tell you honestly - Bergkvist is trying as much as he can having so many rallies as he can afford. Trying to fund his rallies while other youngsters just fly by with heli and drive, with dads or big sponsors pay, Bergkvist tries the best he and his team can do to drive as much they can. That doesn´t give them R5 Fiesta Evos or Skodas works cars. They have to do best they can with material offered. (Citroen R5 no Evo whats so ever)

[cali]

Ok guys, this topic is about Rally Estonia. This arguement isn't going anywhere. Hopefully all the good guys get a chance at the top tier. Move on.

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[mousti]

Aava saying in estonian media that there was already an agreement with Tänak to participate but it changed because Dmack decided to test the tarmac tyres more.

Reportedly the last test wasnt good and the tyres arent very good.
And that was the reason why no Ypres, car failure was an easy lie ;)

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[stefanvv]

Ok guys, this topic is about Rally Estonia. This arguement isn't going anywhere. Hopefully all the good guys get a chance at the top tier. Move on.

Yes, it is about Rally Estonia and we are impressed by Sirmacis. To be on par here with Lukyanuk must be something special.

[Rallyper]

Yes, it is about Rally Estonia and we are impressed by Sirmacis. To be on par here with Lukyanuk must be something special.

Yes, really impressing. Though he won one event before as well.

[stefanvv]

Yes, really impressing. Though he won one event before as well.

Yeah, ok, some luck there, but not easy Rally to win nonetheless.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

‏@ChrisIngramGB
Incredible speeds on Day 1 of Rally Estonia.. :D We are 3rd overnight in ERC Junior behind the locals & 10th overall. :)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CngsOACWAAA3c5x.jpg:large

[stefanvv]

‏Incredible speeds on Day 1 of Rally Estonia.. :D

Adam is faster than the Pug?

[stefanvv]

Lukyanuk - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-aN3q_tG-7E

[N.O.T]

Lukyanuk - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-aN3q_tG-7E

he needs a proper 2 year contract in the WRC, if he fails its ok, but he needs a chance.

All others in ERC are dogs compared to him.

[RS]

How could you be serious with that comment. He went 4th in one off event. And first time in 4wd R5. And then also tarmac event.

Mirek is spot on. Listen to him. Not to me.
And why not take a read on Lundefaret as well.
To tell you honestly - Bergkvist is trying as much as he can having so many rallies as he can afford. Trying to fund his rallies while other youngsters just fly by with heli and drive, with dads or big sponsors pay, Bergkvist tries the best he and his team can do to drive as much they can. That doesn´t give them R5 Fiesta Evos or Skodas works cars. They have to do best they can with material offered. (Citroen R5 no Evo whats so ever)

Sorry, it wasn't me that brought up Bergkvist, and I don't want to pollute this thread but I stand by everything I said.

Is Fiesta or Fabia so much more expensive? Who is talking about Bergkvist after one 17th place and three retirements in WRC2?

[stefanvv]

he needs a proper 2 year contract in the WRC, if he fails its ok, but he needs a chance.

Totally agree. It's very rare to see a driver with such commitment.

[Franky]

he needs a proper 2 year contract in the WRC, if he fails its ok, but he needs a chance.

All others in ERC are dogs compared to him.

Well, hopefully he finds sponsors because they sold the old EVO to get enough money to compete at Rally Estonia. So his ERC season may end here and that would be a pity.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Adam is faster than the Pug?

Ingram was praising the incredible speed of the locals here.

I dont know if their Pugs are any advantage.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

This is Lukyanuk's best surface/event.. he is very quick here. These are the roads he has grown up on.

But on other rallies he does crash at lot, either in testing or on the rally, as a wide experience of other events and road types just isnt there.

Unfortunately at 35, WRC-wise, I think its a bit late for him to learn all the rallies.

[Jarek Z]

Why I don't think it's accidental that lately everything somehow involving Toyota always fails?

I don't know, but something must be wrong with such drivers choice by Toyota. Both factory supported Japanese drivers found it very hard to get into top 10 in this rally and both rolled their cars. Is this the best Japan has to offer when it comes to rally driving?

[stefanvv]

This is Lukyanuk's best surface/event.. he is very quick here. These are the roads he has grown up on.

But on other rallies he does crash at lot, either in testing or on the rally, as a wide experience of other events and road types just isnt there.

Yeah right. But he can surprise us a lot, as in Valais last year. Crashes happen to everyone. He just didn't had proper chance yet.

[dupanton]

Ingram was praising the incredible speed of the locals here.

I dont know if their Pugs are any advantage.

Ingram first on the road tomorrow, Griebel can start on a lot cleaner stages...

[Rallyper]

Adam is faster than the Pug?

Always been.

[stefanvv]

I don't know, but something must be wrong with such drivers choice by Toyota. Both factory supported Japanese drivers found it very hard to get into top 10 in this rally and both rolled their cars. Is this the best Japan has to offer when it comes to rally driving?

I believe they had picked young drivers wanting to develop. How right they are, and how much time/efforts/money want to spend, I guess time will tell.

[stefanvv]

Always been.

How do You know?

[Rallyper]

he needs a proper 2 year contract in the WRC, if he fails its ok, but he needs a chance.

All others in ERC are dogs compared to him.

Now we´re talking. Agree 100%.

[Rallyper]

How do You know?

Just read results last two years.

[Rallyper]

Well, hopefully he finds sponsors because they sold the old EVO to get enough money to compete at Rally Estonia. So his ERC season may end here and that would be a pity.

This means car is very important. No sh*t 2nd handed Citroen can win.


Yeah right. But he can surprise us a lot, as in Valais last year. Crashes happen to everyone. He just didn't had proper chance yet.

So when talking about Brgkvist, wouldn´t he get a 10 th of the chances everybody else got? Don´t rule him out in this stage of time, please, when doing pillow talking about everybody else.
This is a repeat of me defending Pontus about two years ago.

[stefanvv]

So when talking about Brgkvist, wouldn´t he get a 10 th of the chances everybody else got? Don´t rule him out in this stage of time, please, when doing pillow talking about everybody else.
This is a repeat of me defending Pontus about two years ago.

Don't get me wrong. I also believe Bergkvist has talent. How much only time will tell. For now I'm just impressed by this year Sirmacis' outings in ERC.

[Rallyper]

Me too.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Drivers like Sirmacis are the future... I"m afraid Lukyanuk was too late coming to the attention of the rally world outside.. :(

[bluuford]

Nice day behind:)
We started from stages 2, 4 some nice driving by Lukyanuk. Very clean and fast. It cannot be said by Ralf, he was all over the place, many small moments, but time was good. Seems that it was a bit risky drive. Arai and Katsuta were both quite fast but with proper moments. Their whole rally was like a big moment :P

Tamrazov had very big crash a few hudred meters from our location. I am not sure but it is likely that the crash was the result of kind of technical problem. There was big but short rut on the uphill section and very easy right corner. Seems that he went straight from the ruts (there were some big stones in the ruts), hit the front left to tree stump, flew over front nose and landed with the back and then hit two trees. There was neraly 30-40 cm deep hole in his landing site. So, I could not imagine how he could went off without technical problem.

Later I made very big navigation error (I was reading map and driving at the same time, my co-driver was abit "tired") that I have never done before, I took very wrong road and also wrong stage as a result, So, we missed one stage and had to wait for hour :) :P It was nice place with two slight jumps and hard left. Lukyanuk, Kaur and Niinemäe were class of their on there.Veeery nice:) Finally one Chech crew crashed on our corner in a quite strange way. They cut a bit too much, went a bit sideways and went off the road inside the corner. They also cut down one tree:P

City stage was quite OK. Sirmanc made quite big mistake and I think that there was little impact to the front of the car as well /some pieces were hanging from the car.

Tomorrow should be nice weather (without rain) again maybe more clouds and lower temperatures. Very difficult stage nr 1 tomorrow, I will go there:)

Nice rally :)

[Mirek]

I suppose You mean this Czech crew?
https://scontent-fra3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13729093_10205049805003632_6817946998865938816_n.j pg?oh=ed375f6c19dc550a77471bd0b8489c63&oe=582FD224

They'll continue tomorrow.

[mousti]

Sorry, it wasn't me that brought up Bergkvist, and I don't want to pollute this thread but I stand by everything I said.

Is Fiesta or Fabia so much more expensive? Who is talking about Bergkvist after one 17th place and three retirements in WRC2?
I think it's the cheapest R5 plus some support of Citroën Racing and Serderidis if I am right..

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[stefanvv]

Drivers like Sirmacis are the future... I"m afraid Lukyanuk was too late coming to the attention of the rally world outside.. :(

Where were the managers/big sponsors few years ago then. And now it is too late. No, it has always been too late for him.

[RS]

what top speed difference they have? where is br21 when you need him?

FIA ERC ‏@FIAERC

.@AlexeyLukyanuk after SS4: « The stage is cleaner now. We’re driving a lot on the limiter. Skoda have a great max speed. » #FIAERC

According to the data on the Eurosport programme yesterday, Lukyanuk's Fiesta was maxing out at 175km/h.

[dimviii]

Luky at 2,16
https://youtu.be/NLNxCt9mArI


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnjGkfCXEAIY1IA.jpg:large

[Ucci]

According to the data on the Eurosport programme yesterday, Lukyanuk's Fiesta was maxing out at 175km/h.
Slow, very slow.....

[RS]

Slow, very slow.....

I suppose he either doesn't have the long gearbox or he has 'done a Lappi' and chosen the short one.

[dimviii]

Κatsuta stopped..

edit had an off.

[Oliverk]

Κatsuta stopped..

edit had an off.

Rolled again...

[EstWRC]

i hope these japanese guys find a better and safer hobby.

[cali]

Katsuta crash this morning
https://youtu.be/ATnq0DOpnmo

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[EstWRC]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnjX4TMWgAAdbtH.jpg

[br21]

Longer gearbox is not always a good solution as then car isn't accelerating that good. Especially on sandy roads it might be an issue, I think both fastest Fiestas swapped from long ones to short ones just before or during the rally.
SS10, last one yesterday was won by Jeets in ERC, Samsonas in Open class rally set same time in his homemade BMW...

[tommeke_B]

If the long gearbox for Fiesta isn't useful even in Estonia, where is it?

[Oliverk]

If the long gearbox for Fiesta isn't useful even in Estonia, where is it?

Finland.

[br21]

If the long gearbox for Fiesta isn't useful even in Estonia, where is it?

it's not that simple, it might be not good for Estonia, but good for Finland for example. theoretically same very fast roads, but in Estonia much softer, so car is not accelerating on long ratios. honestly I thought with Evo engine it won't be the case anymore, but looks like it still is.

[dimviii]

.@AlexeyLukyanuk after SS12: « The last jump was so emotional with a fast corner, so spectacular » #FIAERC

[Oliverk]

N.Gryazin rolled.

[dimviii]

Finland.

+ some asphalt rallies

[Simmi]

Pretty let's say 'interesting' road order situation today with half the top juniors sweeping and half coming way later. Has this happened much before in ERC - I don't recall seeing it?

[Mirek]

it's not that simple, it might be not good for Estonia, but good for Finland for example. theoretically same very fast roads, but in Estonia much softer, so car is not accelerating on long ratios. honestly I thought with Evo engine it won't be the case anymore, but looks like it still is.

This is very interesting thing for me. We have seen similar sometimes strange looking thing in the past as well. For example we have had here someone from M-Sport on this forum who gave an explanation why M-Sport could not use long gearbox for Fiesta S2000 in Ypres (it was years a go) because from their testing it wasn't beneficial even with all those long straights. But Škoda did it. They run very long gearboxes in Ypres and kept winning year by year. Later I learned that according to the rules of S2000 they were allowed to change gear ratios of 4th-6th gear but not 1st-3rd gear or final drive and that's where the difference between the cars was because Fiesta had shorter first three gears and therefore suffered more from prolonging of the other three.


I suppose he either doesn't have the long gearbox or he has 'done a Lappi' and chosen the short one.

I am not sure how it is with R5 cars but with S2000 it was a bit more complicated as there the long gearbox meant longer 4th-6th gears, the acceleration from slow corners was same because 1st-3rd gear were same for short and long gearbox. I guess it's not that case with R5 cars. Anyway for Fabia S2000 it was a wrong decision as others proved that time.

Bartek, how is the long gearbox done in R5? Is it different final drive or a different set of gears?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Pretty let's say 'interesting' road order situation today with half the top juniors sweeping and half coming way later. Has this happened much before in ERC - I don't recall seeing it?

Road order seems to have robbed us of the close battle between the Juniors (in the Championship race). Griebel taking time back over Ingram on every stage this morning and is now ahead.

Ingram not giving up though: 'I’ll give the maximum to push in the 2nd pass, I’m really enjoying it'.

[br21]

Mirek, I don't exactly remember now how it was with S2000, need to check in my notes, but I'm pretty sure I was changing drop gears for different rallies in Fiesta, and I'm 99% sure gear ratios were different from 3rd gear in Skoda and from 2nd in 207. Fiesta also from 2nd IIRC.
In R5 final drive stays the same, Fiesta has different 2-5, PSA 3-5 gears in "long" options.
Choosing proper gearing is not that simple. Sometimes also you have rallies with some special type of corners, special for such rally, with many of them (sometimes some hairpins, sometimes some square ones, etc.) and with one set of ratios you're stuck "between" gears in those corners, and other set of ratios suits those special sections much better and there you can gain also some time, be more confident, safe, etc. Also you need to keep in mind that when you're not in ideal gear in/during the corner it's much more easy to upshift than downshift, so that you also need to keep in mind.

[Mirek]

Thanks, I may remember that wrong. Anyway I do remember that there were reasonable differences in gearing between Škoda, Ford and mainly Fiat in S2000.

[dimviii]

another point we have to mention is that what gears each manufacture will use,is on par with engine torque.
a less torque engine wll require short gear ratios,and a better engine at torque will manage to accelerate with no problem with longer ratios.
also not only torque,but higher rpm band helps too.

Lunch time with some pace note checking for the #FIAERC @RallyEstonia leader

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnjwC8cWgAQoUuN.jpg:large

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Sirmacis checking video again before the repeat loop. Very professional.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cnjy5QpWgAAB6mh.jpg:large

[Simmi]

Sirmacis checking video again before the repeat loop. Very professional.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cnjy5QpWgAAB6mh.jpg:large

He just needs to bring it home.

[Mirek]

Aus in troubles...


(15 - Aus Rainer / Koskinen Simo): There was a very big stone and in the slide I couldn't do anything. Two kilometers later something broke. It's maybe accelerator or transmission, I hope we can continue.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

He just needs to bring it home.

He's pushing though... 10s faster than Kajto on SS14 !

«I like this stage very much, that’s why I can push and go flat out over the jumps, amazing feelings»

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Lukyanuk after SS14: « Ralfs is a really good driver with a really strong car. It’s a great to have a competition like this. It doesnt give us chance to relax »

[dimviii]

cant wait to watch the videos!

#2 - ALEXEY LUKYANUK
FORD FIESTA R5
"He is a really good driver (Ralfs) and pushing hard. It doesn't give a chance to relax. I jumped sideways and I lost some speed because of it."

#3 - RALFS SIRMACIS
SKODA FABIA R5
"When you slide before a jump and then jump it is an amazing feeling. I am really enjoying it."

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Griebel extends the gap to 2nd place in Juniors, Ingram is now 6.7s behind.

I think that is decisive... dont think Ingram will risk all to catch him, as still getting good points for the Ch'ship.

[dimviii]

Griebel extends the gap to 2nd place in Juniors, Ingram is now 6.7s behind.

I think that is decisive... dont think Ingram will risk all to catch him, as still getting good points for the Ch'ship.

Griebel is just 14 points behing Ingram at championship.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Griebel is just 14 points behing Ingram at championship.

But Ingram 'won' Leg 1 here.

[Oliverk]

Lukjanuk stopped in gps. Lost the wheel.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Oh Nooooooooooooooooooooooo wheel off :(

[Rallyper]

Sirmacis wins again.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

he does crash at lot, either in testing or on the rally..

This is also why Lukyanuk wont get a WRC chance.

[EstWRC]

What did you do Luky?

[Rallyper]

OT. Think Bergkvist could have won Valais if the frontrunners went off. ;)

However Sirmacis has done a good job, top stagetimes and not doing bad mistakes.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ingram: This rally has not been that kind to me, also because of the road position today. But I'm happy with the third. Viewing the previous rallies, we are getting close (to a win).

[Oliverk]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnkHRqoWgAAhMK_.jpg

[stefanvv]

That's terrible

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnkHRqoWgAAhMK_.jpg

[Oliverk]

Broken right steering arm from landing after jump and then off the road and wheel off.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnkJaHpW8AANyPz.jpg:large

[dimviii]

well deserved win for young Sirmacis
pitty for Luky if Oliverks statemant is right.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnkIyJgWAAAPTnT.jpg

[stefanvv]

This is also why Lukyanuk wont get a WRC chance.

When Ostberg's car breaks, it is the car to blame, right?

[Rallyper]

well deserved win for young Sirmacis
pitty for Luky if Oliverks statemant is right.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnkIyJgWAAAPTnT.jpg

This isn´t the way you can say it´s deserved. No.

[Simmi]

Unbelievable for Luky. Will have to wait for the footage before passing judgement on what happened.

I did think the only way Sirmacis could catch him was due to a mistake - but fair play to Sirmacis, his pressure meant Luky could never coast and maybe he's forced a mistake here?

[Rallyper]

When Ostberg's car breaks, it is the car to blame, right?

I think that was said before he knew. When car brokes this way it´s mostly not driver error.

[Rallyper]

Unbelievable for Luky. Will have to wait for the footage before passing judgement on what happened.

I did think the only way Sirmacis could catch him was due to a mistake - but fair play to Sirmacis, his pressure meant Luky could never coast and maybe he's forced a mistake here?

No pressure with 30 secs lead and 20 K to go.

[Simmi]

No pressure with 30 secs lead and 20 K to go.

Yes in theory. But we know this is a driver who is error prone. His quote from the stage before the incident:

"He is a really good driver (Ralfs) and pushing hard. It doesn't give a chance to relax. I jumped sideways and I lost some speed because of it."

[cali]

Congrats to Sirmacis, win is a win! Deserved or not is N.O.T. really a question (remember Poland?).

[Fast Eddie WRC]

When Ostberg's car breaks, it is the car to blame, right?

But Ostberg doesnt crash so much.

[Simmi]

Gryazin doing a proper job - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvR-ROtSrkI

[Oliverk]

But Ostberg doesnt crash so much.

Well it's hard to crash when you drive so slow ;)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ostberg 4th in WDC 2015.

Lukyanuk's WRC chance...

http://images.wrc.com/News/2015/July/6407_AlexeyLukyanuk-Finland-2015_001_896x504.jpg

[Mirek]

But Ostberg doesnt crash so much.

Can we leave Ostberg out of here, please?

[Franky]

Ostberg 4th in WDC 2015.

Lukyanuk's WRC chance...

http://images.wrc.com/News/2015/July/6407_AlexeyLukyanuk-Finland-2015_001_896x504.jpg

Have a cold one on me, please.

Ostberg started doing WRC events in WRCar in 2006.

[N.O.T]

I assure you adulthood is much better than the pain you are through now.

[Ucci]

I feel sorry for Lukyanok, but somehow I have a feeling that part of this retairement is also on his shoulders.

[TWRC]

Lukyanuk's fatal jump (according to rallye-sport.fr). I can understand why the car broke TBH...
https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xlf1/v/t1.0-9/13700089_10153755370070754_2893586667852921647_n.j pg?oh=74f3430debaef3494e099a26ee03e0eb&oe=582E2140&__gda__=1479327999_8a2d04141d480d34b48e020b1e0d8ad 6

[Simmi]

Hmm expecting a bit too much of his machinery I think.


Biggest surprise though for me on this rally was Katjo. Okay he had some powersteering issues but the pace was never there and he got shown the way home by Sirmacis and Luky. Not a single stage win this weekend.

[Mirek]

Kajto will be very strong in Rzeszow and also in Barum.

[N.O.T]

Hmm expecting a bit too much of his machinery I think.


Biggest surprise though for me on this rally was Katjo. Okay he had some powersteering issues but the pace was never there and he got shown the way home by Sirmacis and Luky. Not a single stage win this weekend.

Katjo is nothing, his limits are with an R5 and thats it, but to his defence it is good that he knows that and he does not step up.

On the other hand Luky can easily fit in a WRC and be respectably fast... if he can be successful the answer is possibly NO but he needs a chance.

[dimviii]

Lukyanuk's fatal jump (according to rallye-sport.fr). I can understand why the car broke TBH...


this guy has no fear at jumps.
Definetely is a joy to watch,even if he is crashing.


.@AlexeyLukyanuk: «It’s just bad luck. I had a good pace but not a big push. I’m happy with my rhythm.» 3/3 #FIAERC

[dimviii]

i said its a joy to watch...

https://youtu.be/eKgcCqnaFak

[dimviii]

can we find a link with national times? how fast was Samsonas compared with Luky/Sirmacis?

[cali]

I read somewhere that after day1 Samsonas was exactly 2min behind Luky.

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[Oliverk]

https://scontent-waw1-1.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/e35/13745083_1397134790303998_1707786084_n.jpg?ig_cach e_key=MTI5NjM3NTQ4OTkyNTI1NTQxNA%3D%3D.2

[Oliverk]

can we find a link with national times? how fast was Samsonas compared with Luky/Sirmacis?

http://autorally.lv/iframeEstonia.php?r=147&m=42&l=2

[br21]

You cannot compare ERC and Open class times directly, as they did stages in different conditions. Also fastest Open class cars caught "0" cars on few stages and drove few kms behind them. Also not too much push, some mistakes, so stage times around 6/7 in ERC, on SSS win (ex-equo).

[dimviii]

You cannot compare ERC and Open class times directly, as they did stages in different conditions. Also fastest Open class cars caught "0" cars on few stages and drove few kms behind them. Also not too much push, some mistakes, so stage times around 6/7 in ERC, on SSS win (ex-equo).

must be like this because he was surprisingly slow compared to Luky.

[tommeke_B]

Gutted for Lukyanuk... Really amazing drive from him, not only the stage-times, he's probably the most entertaining driver we've had in this sport in many years. The footage we've seen from this event is really mind-blowing, no words can describe the spectacle these drivers are bringing to us. :)

[Rallyper]

Lukyanuk's fatal jump (according to rallye-sport.fr). I can understand why the car broke TBH...
https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xlf1/v/t1.0-9/13700089_10153755370070754_2893586667852921647_n.j pg?oh=74f3430debaef3494e099a26ee03e0eb&oe=582E2140&__gda__=1479327999_8a2d04141d480d34b48e020b1e0d8ad 6

So last week we saw the WRC cars having these flying moments as well and applaused them. When Luky flies he´s overdoing it? (not you Dimviii - I saw you liked his perfomance, and I agree)
When do you stop flying bcs of thinking of your steering arms? Do steering arms vary between R5 and WRC Fiestas`s?

[Simmi]

So last week we saw the WRC cars having these flying moments as well and applaused them. When Luky flies he´s overdoing it? (not you Dimviii - I saw you liked his perfomance, and I agree)
When do you stop flying bcs of thinking of your steering arms? Do steering arms vary between R5 and WRC Fiestas`s?

It's the entire package goes into absorbing the punishment no? Not simply the strength of a single component. I'm not an expert but we've seen WRC cars land on one wheel a lot. R5 cars probably aren't designed for this punishment. But in this case he seems to not only be putting all the weight on a single wheel, he's also then dragging that wheel as part of the slide.

Surely it's a mistake from Luky as you wouldn't put yourself in this position with a 28-second lead. I don't think anyone is saying they didn't like his performance - just how it ended.

[dupanton]

Maybe it was already weakened by a previous impact?

[stefanvv]

Maybe it was already weakened by a previous impact?

May be. On previous stage there has been lot of stones in his own words.

[dimviii]

small clip with Luky
https://twitter.com/Karlip1?lang=el

[Mirek]

So last week we saw the WRC cars having these flying moments as well and applaused them. When Luky flies he´s overdoing it? (not you Dimviii - I saw you liked his perfomance, and I agree)
When do you stop flying bcs of thinking of your steering arms? Do steering arms vary between R5 and WRC Fiestas`s?


It's the entire package goes into absorbing the punishment no? Not simply the strength of a single component. I'm not an expert but we've seen WRC cars land on one wheel a lot. R5 cars probably aren't designed for this punishment. But in this case he seems to not only be putting all the weight on a single wheel, he's also then dragging that wheel as part of the slide.

Surely it's a mistake from Luky as you wouldn't put yourself in this position with a 28-second lead. I don't think anyone is saying they didn't like his performance - just how it ended.

I really like Luky and I feel gutted for him but one shall never forget that there IS a big difference between WRC and R5 cars. If I'm not mistaken suspension parts of R5 cars have some weight limits given by rules which make them reasonably heavier than WRC and the unsprung weight definitiely plays a role in such jumps since dampers have to dissipate more energy. There is for sure more things which make R5 cars definitely less durable than WRC ones (WRC events clearly show that as well).

[KKSF]

LUKIANUK'S CRAZY JUMP, mistakes, jumps
KKSF HD video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sevjCLo_BMg

[N.O.T]

you can see the thing snapping when he lands (at 4.02)... just unlucky he did not run over anything or was in the ditch... pity.

[mousti]

you can see the thing snapping when he lands (at 4.02)... just unlucky he did not run over anything or was in the ditch... pity.

It looks to me it's more the angle how he lands that makes it break than how hard he's landing.

[N.O.T]

It looks to me it's more the angle how he lands that makes it break than how hard he's landing.

yes, but still he landed on the road and he did not go off so he did everything right from his part, the car should be able to handle it.

[Mirek]

It should but You never know how many things the car hit before...

[N.O.T]

It should but You never know how many things the car hit before...

you should decide if you ignore me or not... i only forgive tantrums on beautiful women and goats.

[dimviii]

http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2016/photos/auto24_rally_estonia_2016/kan_mns_9876.jpg
http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2016/photos/auto24_rally_estonia_2016/kan_mns_9497.jpg
http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2016/photos/auto24_rally_estonia_2016/kan_mns_0645.jpg
http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2016/photos/auto24_rally_estonia_2016/kan_mns_0610.jpg
http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2016/photos/auto24_rally_estonia_2016/kan_mns_0157.jpg

http://www.ewrc.cz/ewrc/fotogalery.php?events=28155&fotograf=286

[Mirek]

https://scontent.fmad3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13707800_10206127211169830_6712083119789598375_n.j pg?oh=d840d60e113b6f1a6f1a044a96baeb02&oe=582691CA

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Can we leave Ostberg out of here, please?

Tell Stefanvv who brought him up !!

We cant have a single thread on here that doesnt end in an argument, hence why I left after this happened AGAIN.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Re Lukyanuk... I have liked and supported him on here longer than most, so I think I'm entitled to my opinion on him on this event and his future prospects.

[Tinke1979]

Re Lukyanuk... I have liked and supported him on here longer than most, so I think I'm entitled to my opinion on him on this event and his future prospects.

I have been Lukyanuk´s fan since 2011 Rally Estonia. I am the one who founded the Alexey Lukuyanuk Fan Group in facebook :)

[Tinke1979]

By the way... Here is my video from the event:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9xTO-0Q5vI

Katsuta´s roll with close-up GoPro footage ;)

[Simmi]

By the way... Here is my video from the event:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9xTO-0Q5vI

Katsuta´s roll with close-up GoPro footage ;)

Haha you nearly had to invest in a new GoPro there!

[stefanvv]

Tell Stefanvv who brought him up !!

We cant have a single thread on here that doesnt end in an argument, hence why I left after this happened AGAIN.

I only pointed out Your opinion about Lukyanuk - WRC is subjective. In 1 post, You wrote 5 after that. Nothing against Ostberg. He just drives how much he can. As whether Lukyanuk deserves more to be in wrc than someone else who is already in, I'm standing behind my opinion.

[danon]

Dear delicate bohemian engineer would YOU now tell us how many things the car hit before...


https://scontent.fmad3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13707800_10206127211169830_6712083119789598375_n.j pg?oh=d840d60e113b6f1a6f1a044a96baeb02&oe=582691CA

[cali]

Tell Stefanvv who brought him up !!

We cant have a single thread on here that doesnt end in an argument, hence why I left after this happened AGAIN.
Are you 3 years old??

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[Mirek]

A fine and a conditional loss of Estonian points for Kajto: http://rallyestonia.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/2.5-Decision-No.-3-car-1-speeding-in-service-park-and-causing-accident.pdf

The reason is speeding in service park and causing an accident with some historic car.

[itix]

Gutted for Lukyanuk... Really amazing drive from him, not only the stage-times, he's probably the most entertaining driver we've had in this sport in many years. The footage we've seen from this event is really mind-blowing, no words can describe the spectacle these drivers are bringing to us. :)
I'm not trying to start a flame war here but I am genuinely curious to why most people side with Lukyanuk but didn't side with Kubica... Both spectacular drivers, both crashing a lot. (Kubica maybe more than Lukyanuk).

Is it because Kubica came from F1 and was not an underdog and Luky is having to beg, borrow and steal for his drives?

[Franky]

Luky has this kind of following and support mainly for his past drives. Now on a ERC level he gets more exposure and people like a show. Of course the underdog element plays its roll. Also I think the Kubica comparison is not good.

[RS]

Kubica was fast mostly on individual stages.. Lukyanuk is at least capable of finishing events (and winning them)

[Mirek]

I'm not trying to start a flame war here but I am genuinely curious to why most people side with Lukyanuk but didn't side with Kubica... Both spectacular drivers, both crashing a lot. (Kubica maybe more than Lukyanuk).

Is it because Kubica came from F1 and was not an underdog and Luky is having to beg, borrow and steal for his drives?

I think that the main reason is that Luky came from nowhere with nothing in his pockets. Common people naturally like heroes they can identify with.

[Mariusz]

I think that the main reason is that Luky came from nowhere with nothing in his pockets. Common people naturally like heroes they can identify with.
Kubica also started his motosport career with no money. I think the biggest reason is that rally fans usually dislike everything that has to do with F1.

[Mirek]

Kubica also started his motosport career with no money. I think the biggest reason is that rally fans usually dislike everything that has to do with F1.

When Kubica came to rally he was already a big star and that's how most of the rally fans knew him. They didn't follow him in his early days. Anyway Kubica had a huge support among rally fans, definitely bigger than Luykanuk will ever have. This forum represents only a tiny number of people who can't be called common rally fans.

[itix]

Kubica also started his motosport career with no money. I think the biggest reason is that rally fans usually dislike everything that has to do with F1.

I hear you brother... tried to follow F1 three times and failed three times, lastly when they introduced the hybrid concept and mostly because I was interested in the technology...

I just can't stand the conspiracy bullshit, the fancy show bullshit, the gnome bullshit etc etc etc... it is rotten from the ground up. How can someone consider an organization where Ferrari gets over 50% of the TV commercial money an equal opportunity sport? Anyway, that's beyond the point.

I liked Kubica despite him being from F1... I like Luky also, mostly because of his character (something Kubica lacked).

Also I think Mirek has a point in what he says about the forum not being common fans. I am sure that if Luky would manage to achieve something he would have a following. If he managed to challenge Ogier he would probably have a following that would rival Kubica in his F1 days.


Kubica was fast mostly on individual stages.. Lukyanuk is at least capable of finishing events (and winning them)

I'm sure that if they had equal experience Kubica would be able to finish events

[electroliquid]

I'm sure that if they had equal experience Kubica would be able to finish events

It's tricky question which or them has more experience in rally. According to ewrc-results.com
Robert started 69 events, 33 of them WRC, 1 IRC, 5 ERC, and some events in France, Italy and Poland. And even Luky has 81 starts, only 1 in WRC, 15 in ERC, 1 in ERT. 20 in Estonia, 15 in Latvia, 1 Lithuania, 8 Russia, and some Russia Cup events. So Luky is more local driver, with still very limited amount of experience in European level, while Robert compete in much more different roads and conditions. In my opinion Luky >> Robert, as rally driver.

[Tinke1979]

Haha you nearly had to invest in a new GoPro there!

Not even close :D

[Fast Eddie WRC]

I did warn Luky before the rally... :(




I think Luky's experience and commitment on these fast roads should see him win again.... as long as he doesn't push too hard ! :disturb:



He's so quick, but sometimes its too much to win.

[faateris]

Rally Estonia photos - http://janisasaris.com/jaunumi

JA

[itix]

It's tricky question which or them has more experience in rally. According to ewrc-results.com
Robert started 69 events, 33 of them WRC, 1 IRC, 5 ERC, and some events in France, Italy and Poland. And even Luky has 81 starts, only 1 in WRC, 15 in ERC, 1 in ERT. 20 in Estonia, 15 in Latvia, 1 Lithuania, 8 Russia, and some Russia Cup events. So Luky is more local driver, with still very limited amount of experience in European level, while Robert compete in much more different roads and conditions. In my opinion Luky >> Robert, as rally driver.
Well I'm not saying one is better than the other. They'd have to compete in somewhat equal machinery in the same championship before I could give that verdict.

I am however saying that in Robert's defense, he had an easier time at the level Lukyanuk is driving now with less years of rally experience... And this is someone who came in from a completely different category of motorsport all together.

Hope Lukyanuk can stop his crashing soon because he really deserve some results with his speed.