LOTOS 73rd Rally Poland 2016

[dimviii]

Mikkelsen on first position, what happen with Tanak?

Sun 11:46 - SS20: Tanak
He completes with a front-right puncture. And he drops to second place 16.5sec behind Mikkelsen! No words from Tanak before he roars away from the finish control.

[Sulland]

Why did Tanak loose 40s?
Conditions
mistake
tyres
???

edit: Puncture. bad luck for him and DMack!

[EstWRC]

we will have a very sad people on the poodium

[NoFear85]

puncture for tanak

[dimviii]

Neuville
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=519424001589275

[EstWRC]

It was a puncture for Ott

[Lundefaret]

Unless something really unlikely happens now, Andreas will have the victory. Been a great fight in the top. Great drive from all top drivers. A deserved victory after one of the closest top fights in resent memory - wow!

Feel very sorry for Tänak, but he wanted to show his pace, and I think he achieved this - to put it mildly.

But congrats to both Ott and Dmack for a great showing! What a rally!

PS!(Since this rally is not over yet, and conditions quite "interesting", we will of course have to see them to the finish before we give out the medals.)

[dimviii]

Sordo\

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CmblQ8NWcAAGUXa.jpg

[dimviii]

Latvala
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=519423718255970

[Lundefaret]

Must say, extremely good drive by Suninen!
He beats drivers with A LOT more experience in conditions where experience should be essential.

[AL14]

Drama in WRC2 as well...
Lappi and Evans had problems and now Suninen has a comfortable lead before the very last stage!

[EstWRC]

in 2002 puncture also robbed a first from Märtin

[eib1]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CmbnNSBWcAAlxWE.jpg

[Bartek]

https://www.facebook.com/rajdy24/videos/585873301583708/

[Mirek]

Lappi lost 2,5 minutes with puncture.

[dimviii]

havoc at wrc 2 too
Sun 11:51 - SS20: WRC 2 Lappi
A nightmare for the WRC 2 leader too! "We picked up a puncture - I don't know where. I tried to drive on but it was not possible and we had to change it." He's lost almost two minutes and that's the lead gone.

[AL14]

Some link for the PS?

[Ross99]

in 2002 puncture also robbed a first from Märtin
You're talking about the one where he was fighting with Solberg?

[dimviii]

Lappi lost 2,5 minutes with puncture.

puncture for Evans too as Kajto. Pedder stopped at stage. All wrc2 had problems.

[Eli]

gutted...so VW takes the top step of the podium for the first time since Mexico...

[giù tutto!]

"Fantastic end" for a fantastic event...so much punctures which messed up the whole great battles...gutted...

[Ross99]

F*cking rain, man. It ruined everything :(

[bugwrx]

such a gift for Mikkelsen like his first win last year when Ogier crashed on powerstage ..

oh well, so gutted for Tänak he deserved this win so much.

[Ucci]

Deep in my mind I was afraid that something will happen to Ott....sorry for him.

[cosmin_sb]

Some link for the PS?
try with google chrome http://cricbox.tv/bt-sport-2-live-streaming

[dimviii]

puncture for Evans too as Kajto. Pedder stopped at stage. All wrc2 had problems.

Sun 12:00 - SS20: WRC 2 update
Loubet and Kruuda join Pedder on the Baranowo casualty list.


when we say everybody we mean everybody.

[dimviii]

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[AL14]

try with google chrome http://cricbox.tv/bt-sport-2-live-streaming

Thanks mate

[dimviii]

If Paddon hadnt take easy the stage maybe could gain 2nd position from Tanak.
he has 11 sec slower time from Neuville who had puncture for half distance of stage,and misted windscreen


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[wia5958]

Just a thought but why is tanak working on front left and puncture was on the right?

[AL14]

Just a thought but why is tanak working on front left and puncture was on the right?

Maybe he was raplacing two tires for the power stage

[Mirek]

Kajetanowicz and Tidemand also very slow. Only Suninen did it ok from WRC2.

[dimviii]

Sun 12:10 - SS21: Live
Wipers on, Al Rajhi's Fiesta RS slithers away from the start line. Heavy rain falling. Lots of puddles and standing water in the opening section."

[dimviii]

Just a thought but why is tanak working on front left and puncture was on the right?

maybe changing tyres,or/and suspension setup.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CmbqyygXgAA35K2.jpg

[dimviii]

Sun 12:13 - Tanak update
A heartbreaking tweet from the DMACK team: "We dared to dream…. unfortunately it doesn’t look like it will happen this time."

[EstWRC]

it all started from neuville, then Tänak and then a lot of wrc2 had punctures. i wonder where that rock or whatever the thing is.

[6789]

Gutted for Tanak - great drive all weekend.

[noel157]

The Norwegian house husband starts the stage....

[RS]

WRC and WRC2 ruined by punctures on the penultimate stage :(

[N.O.T]

That was sad... but its rallying.

[dimviii]

Ostberg through the ''new'' chicane

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CmbvWCoWcAAM9iW.jpg:large

[dimviii]

Camilli with problem? very slow 1st split,almost a minute slower

[EstWRC]

he went off after the finish after last stage and has only FWD

[N.O.T]

Camilli with problem? very slow 1st split,almost a minute slower

only front wheel drive. The stage is live

[GravelBen]

Camilli with problem? very slow 1st split,almost a minute slower

Fwd only, must have broken something when he went off after the flying finish of the last stage?

[noel157]

he went off after the finish after last stage and has only FWD

And only 3 wheels facing forward.

[seb_sh]

such bad luck for Tanak, he did a great drive this weekend. But even so, he still gets a podium and confirms some things that could be seen this year on previous rallies, he is safer and more consistent than last year. Malcolm and Tommi should think hard about him for next year.

[dimviii]

Camilli with problem? very slow 1st split,almost a minute slower

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CmbwtXXWYAAVUTY.jpg

[dimviii]

only front wheel drive. The stage is live

http://cricfree.sx/watch/live/fia-world-rally-championship-live-streaming

thanks guys but cant see it.

[dimviii]

read the reason of Camillis exit at previous stage.

Sun 12:30 - SS21: Camilli
Well off the pace here. His car is carrying right-rear suspension damage after his crash over the flying finish in SS20. His co-driver had selected 'road mode' too early.

[EstWRC]

David Evans: Just been speaking to DMACK's Dick Cormack, who is devastated, to get the full story of Tanak's lead loss.

"We haven't spoken to Ott but from what we can see and what the splits show, we can only imagine there's been an impact on the wheel early on the stage. The tyre was off the rim and you really wouldn't expect that, especially not in the wet if he'd only run for a short space of time," he said.

"We'd earned this one."

[dimviii]

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[N.O.T]

Paddon JUST holds on to his place by Neuville

[dimviii]

Tanak with puncture from previous stage
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=519437121587963

[Eli]

Paddon JUST holds on to his place by Neuville

by 0.8 tenths of a second...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Soooooooooooooooo sad for Tanak. :(

[N.O.T]

poor tanak :(:(:(

[AL14]

It hurts to see him like this...

[bugwrx]

My god how hard it was to listen Ott

[Eli]

Tanak was almost in tears, god I feel so sorry for him... hope he will come back stronger in Finland!!!

[dimviii]

Paddon JUST holds on to his place by Neuville

he could overpass Tanak at power stage too. Tanak is slower at 1st split by 4,4 sec.

[N.O.T]

2nd inherited win by Mikkelsen... well done... for what is worth.

[Mirek]

Stage 20 was canceled for the rest after Pärn...

[N.O.T]

Ogier just got a lot of points in my book... great move.

[Eli]

2nd inherited win by Mikkelsen... well done... for what is worth.

worth nothing...if I'm quoting Tanak...

[Sulland]

Congrats to Mikkelsen & Jæger!
1st win for Mr Jæger!

Tanaks time will come!

[dimviii]

positions 2nd to 6th inside 14 sec.
1st to 6th inside 40,3 sec.

Must be a kind of record this.

[noel157]

Mikkelsen could have been a bit more gracious in his interview. He walked backwards into his victory.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Congrats to Mikkelsen though as he has had bad luck in the past too. Great job all weekend with a tougher road position.

[WUff1]

Very sorry for Tänak.

[dimviii]

no words......


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[Fast Eddie WRC]

Great rally by Breen and a brilliant result - so happy for him after all the bad luck and tragedy he's had in the past.

[stefanvv]

Congrats to Mikkelsen though as he has had bad luck in the past too. Great job all weekend with a tougher road position.

Sweden '15 wasn't it?
Pity for Tanak, really deserved this victory. Can't deny Mikkelsen did great job all weekend as well.

[dimviii]

Ogier just got a lot of points in my book... great move.

what happened Greg?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Nice touch

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cmb1lQFW8AET47n.jpg:large

[Bartek]

Ogier - what a great behaviour. This is a difference between rally drivers and this new generation F1 drivers who only look at their instagrams.

[GravelBen]

Mikkelsen could have been a bit more gracious in his interview. He walked backwards into his victory.

He said that it was mostly down to luck who came through the last two stages with no problems, and that he was the lucky one?

He drove extremely well to stay on the road and be close enough to take advantage if anything happened to a flying Tanak, which it did. Gutting for Tanak of course but thats rallying.

[dimviii]

this must be Greg? Yeap great move from Ogier!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cmb1lQFW8AET47n.jpg:large

[Mirek]

Lappi again with troubles...

[EstWRC]

This was very painful to watch...great to see Ogier and other drivers going to Ott and cheering him up. For me, he is the real winner of this rally. But this is rallying.

[Mintexmemory]

They were told just 1 referendum They had it and the majority wanted to stay IN the UK That's it accept it ,your prosperity from oil is gone ! Just same with Brexit Just ONE referendum 1000000 more people wanted OUT of the EU ,so except the result and let's make it work

Actually in a democracy there is an absolute right for the Remain camp to say this was a flawed vote with lies as to the effects of remaining that all the Brexit camp disowned the moment the election was done. I shan't give up until we can get this issue voted on again now the economic effects of the out vote have been proven. No to Article 50!

[cali]

Ogier does whine, but what a great sport he is! Nicely done.

Sent from my ONE E1003 using Tapatalk

[dimviii]

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[TWRC]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cmb2oswWgAEgpey.jpg
Poor Tänak drank the whole bottle of champagne...

[EstWRC]

Great sportsmanship between drivers

https://i.imgur.com/f1KDKCZ.jpeg
https://i.imgur.com/Ot3TSkR.jpg

[Fast Eddie WRC]

DMack are ahead of schedule anyway... :)

DMACK managing director Dick Cormack said:
"I genuinely believe the combination of M-Sport and Ott is the best platform to help us develop our WRC products and push for leading stage times when the opportunity arises.

"DMACK has a clear strategy to challenge for the WRC title in the future and the only way to achieve this is to focus hard on product development and undertake a full WRC programme with the correct partners to prove our performance and our goal of competing at the pinnacle of world rallying alongside Michelin and Pirelli.."

[dimviii]

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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cmb2AJhXEAAnchU.jpg

[dimviii]

WRC ‏@OfficialWRC

BREAKING NEWS: Mikkelsen gifted Poland victory


a bit harsch the word gifted?

[Mirek]

Despite the obvious momentary disappointment we shall see it in the positive light - both Tänak and DMack did a tremendous job in Poland and we can only hope they can continue like that. Well done and brings us more!

Also congratulations to Suninen. In these last stages he showed great maturity which I had doubts about. Let it continue!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

SS21: WRC 2 EVANS
Second place in WRC 2 for the Welshman. "If you had offered me second earlier I would have taken it, but I half feel a win was on the cards. Still, it is what it is. Second is better than nothing on a weekend like this. I really feel for Ott. He had such a great rally."

[Fast Eddie WRC]

WRC ‏@OfficialWRC

BREAKING NEWS: Mikkelsen gifted Poland victory

a bit harsch the word gifted?

MIKKELSEN
"We pushed so hard all weekend. We gave everything, It was like a war in the previous stage. It was all about luck. A weekend I will never forget. I'm sorry for Ott. I told him before this stage that I know how he feels - it happened to me in Sweden."

[dimviii]

Also congratulations to Suninen. In these last stages he showed great maturity which I had doubts about. Let it continue!

and we have to think that he is at a private entry/car compared to Evans and Lappi/Tidemand.


krismeeke.com ‏@krismeeke

Gutted for @OttTanak and Riago! Incredible performance on @rajdpolski deserved nothing less than a win.. #WRC

[EstWRC]

and in finland it will be Meeke VS Tänak

[Simmi]

Hopefully Ott can use this as fuel and go to Finland with the right attitude. We know he has pace. He showed us something additional this weekend. Now we need to see him at the front in more rallies. Sure he needs Dmack's help to do this but it seems they are both heading in the right direction.

I really hope they can sort out some kind of third works car for next year.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

M-Sport ‏@MSportLtd
Heartbroken. @OttTanak and @MolderRaigo, you were a cut above the rest this weekend. Your time will come...

No wins maybe but so good to see an M-Sport Ford Fiesta WRC & Fiesta R5 back up there in Poland, mixing it with the latest factory cars.

[GravelBen]

and in finland it will be Meeke VS Tänak

vs Paddon vs Latvala vs everyone else...

[EstWRC]

yes you picked the right names!

[cosmin_sb]

second victory for Tempestini in JWRC :)

[dimviii]

https://www.facebook.com/vincent.verstraete.18/videos/vb.1616816435/10208541970739549/?type=2&theater

[Lundefaret]

https://www.facebook.com/vincent.verstraete.18/videos/vb.1616816435/10208541970739549/?type=2&theater

Very nice gesture from Ogier :)

[Mintexmemory]

So pleased I shall be in Finland for the re-match!
Suspect Lunde may have got Hayden trying stuff in prep!

[dimviii]

can we find what exactly happened with Tanaks puncture? i think i read from Cormacks interview that wasnt a normal puncture,but from the touch to a bank tyre get out from rim? did i understand right?

[stefanvv]

When the onboard is uploaded, we can watch it.

[EightGear]

https://www.facebook.com/vincent.verstraete.18/videos/vb.1616816435/10208541970739549/?type=2&theater
Fantastic images.

[Barreis]

What happened to Sordo?

[dimviii]

Ott Tänak ‏@OttTanak

Heart broken is the first word that comes to mind. Second is determined. We will do it one day. Huge thanks to every single Estonian fan


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[EstWRC]

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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CmcQNtCWEAANgTu.jpg

[EstWRC]

Tänak in a lot better mood at the press conference at the moment. When they were taking seats then Paddon showed to Tänak to sit in the middle :)

http://p.ocdn.ee/40/i/2016/7/3/bt5kmw22.ekd.jpg

[WUff1]

Great rally by Breen and a brilliant result - so happy for him after all the bad luck and tragedy he's had in the past.

Fight between Breen and Lefebvre was very exciting to watch, with no real winner in the end. Hope both of them will stay in WRC.

[Mintexmemory]

Fight between Breen and Lefebvre was very exciting to watch, with no real winner in the end. Hope both of them will stay in WRC.
Actually one of them over-cooked under pressure! The quest for those extra seconds is sometimes a target beyond reach! Great fight though

[Lundefaret]

So pleased I shall be in Finland for the re-match!
Suspect Lunde may have got Hayden trying stuff in prep!

Finland will be a different ball game. Less sweeping factor. Latvala and Ogier will be very strong. A certain Estonian will be even more motivated to claim his first victory. A few drivers that have underachieved a little on this event would want to rectify that, Sordo and Østberg being two of them. Neuville has been very strong in Finland earlier, and Andreas will off course have some new found motivation, Meeke will have bad intentions, and knowing Hayden he dont want to be just coasting around either. So Finland should be interesting to say the least :)

[Eric]

Mikkelsen could have been a bit more gracious in his interview. He walked backwards into his victory.

Are you serious? Mikkelsen was the only one keeping up with Tanak despite his starting position. Of course everyone is feeling sorry for Tanak, but this is rally. Mikkelsen drove like a champ all weekend and should get credit for that.

[Lundefaret]

Are you serious? Mikkelsen was the only one keeping up with Tanak despite his starting position. Of course everyone is feeling sorry for Tanak, but this is rally. Mikkelsen drove like a champ all weekend and should get credit for that.

Totally agree. The top three drivers went full on for a whole weekend, and it ended with a duell, and going absolutely flat in todays conditions off course has its risks, so all tough i share the gutted feeling for Tänak, this is a victory fair and square.

[onemanband]

Totally agree. The top three drivers went full on for a whole weekend, and it ended with a duell, and going absolutely flat in todays conditions off course has its risks, so all tough i share the gutted feeling for Tänak, this is a victory fair and square.

I can agree with you, but being Estonian and therefore at least a little bit more biased, I think Tänak drove a better rally. On some onboards you can see Mikkelsen being a bit ragged and making small mistakes but I don't think Ott did as many.

Anyways, congratiulations to Andreas, even if his victory ruined my mood for the whole day. :D

[Eric]

I can agree with you, but being Estonian and therefore at least a little bit more biased, I think Tänak drove a better rally. On some onboards you can see Mikkelsen being a bit ragged and making small mistakes but I don't think Ott did as many.

Anyways, congratiulations to Andreas, even if his victory ruined my mood for the whole day. :D

Maybe Andreas did some small mistakes during this rally, but saying "he walked backwards into his victory" is just bitterness. It was a fair fight where Andreas ended on top after a great weekend.
Im sure Tanak will come back stronger. He shows that he is a top top driver and victory will come! :)

[onemanband]

Maybe Andreas did some small mistakes during this rally, but saying "he walked backwards into his victory" is just bitterness. It was a fair fight where Andreas ended on top after a great weekend.
Im sure Tanak will come back stronger. He shows that he is a top top driver and victory will come! :)


I agree with you. You always have to be gracious in defeat as they say... :D
But I can understand where the bitterness comes from because his victory was not due to superior driving or opponent's driver error, but due to just good luck-bad luck. And that is the thing that gives me optimism for the future.


I must add that I have never had that kind of emotion before from a motorsport event :)

[Simmi]

There simply isn't enough emotion or great storylines in WRC these days.

So although this is painful for Ott and a lot of fans, all in all it's good for the sport I think. More signs of positive change, as close competition creates this kind of drama. Roll on Finland. Can't wait to hike into Ruuhimaki for Shakedown!

[Simmi]

Tänak in a lot better mood at the press conference at the moment. When they were taking seats then Paddon showed to Tänak to sit in the middle :)

http://p.ocdn.ee/40/i/2016/7/3/bt5kmw22.ekd.jpg

As a random aside - how strong is Ogier!? Casually holding up a fully grown man with one arm.

[N.O.T]

He is a beast !!!

[EstWRC]

No. Tänak is very light. thats why he was so fast

[denkimi]

i wouldn't expect tanak to weigh more than 70kg.

[N.O.T]

i wouldn't expect tanak to weigh more than 70kg.

yes but Ogier is no more than 80-85 so lifting 70kg like that makes him.... A BEAST.

[EightGear]

You'd guess having to clean every rally is a 'heavy weight on his shoulders' so he should be used to that.








I'll show myself out.

[denkimi]

i was wondering: since when is it allowed again to drive on 3 wheels to the service? i thought it was forbidden since a few years, but lefebvre did it anyway.

[Ucci]

A very nice event this Poland was....the rain which came today showed us how can a weather turn everything up-side down.
About Tänak-a lot was already written and yes, he was on a winning course the whole week-end. But from previous experience let us be careful with statements ''Ott will be in a winning position on each gravel rally''. Give him and D-Mack a bit more time so that the disappointment would not ruin almost perfect Poland event.
I'm also very happy for M-Sport; the result shows us how close regarding performance & speed all four manufactures are. Fiesta is not a crap car....
By the way - what a relief this Ott's flat tyre was in Wolfsburg...they were already on the way to lose the 4th rally in the row....''red alarm'' !!

[dimviii]

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[Simmi]

i was wondering: since when is it allowed again to drive on 3 wheels to the service? i thought it was forbidden since a few years, but lefebvre did it anyway.

All four wheels were still attached to the car. Albeit barely. I can't remember from the footage but I think they'd done a fix so the broken wheel was still turning.

[danon]

What a sad, yet glorious day for Ott.
You write history, boy.
Respect!

[Mirek]

i was wondering: since when is it allowed again to drive on 3 wheels to the service? i thought it was forbidden since a few years, but lefebvre did it anyway.

It is still forbidden on public roads. Did he drive without the wheel in opened traffic? I remember when Lappi was first penalized (or excluded) for driving on three wheel on the road section in Portugal but the decision had to be canceled since it appeared that the road although it wasn't a stage was closed for public.


All four wheels were still attached to the car. Albeit barely. I can't remember from the footage but I think they'd done a fix so the broken wheel was still turning.

Also a possibility. I admit I don't know how it was.

[EstWRC]

i know that NOT will love this, i didnt make it myself, LOL

https://www.upload.ee/image/5938316/FB_IMG_1467565537647.jpg

[Rallyper]

Emil is a good talent, and would fare better in another car.
I am usually VERY reserved when it comes to putting good and bad times down to the machinery, but his R5 has a very clear deficit compared to the top cars, and in Poland it is a lot of drag racing.
But if he is going to deliver, he has somethings in his driving he needs to work on - but definetly a talent (and yes, his showing in an R2 is very relevant for his driving in an R5 or even a WRC car, ref Ogier and Loeb.)


thats what i said exactly.I dont have expectations because he won with Adam. And that is honest.

@dimviii
Read this.

What could you expect after his performance with Adam? I´ll tell a few thngs, you if you didn´t count it out yourself:

- making pace notes. Without that talent you never win 1st time in Ireland gainst homedrivers.
- tactics
- mental streghtness

However he´ll need more than these three (3) performances in WRC2 to be top guy. Everyone is aware of that. Maybe a better car too. But that you alredy knew even if not saying.

[Rallyper]

Tänak in a lot better mood at the press conference at the moment. When they were taking seats then Paddon showed to Tänak to sit in the middle :)

http://p.ocdn.ee/40/i/2016/7/3/bt5kmw22.ekd.jpg

This is one of (many) reasons I love this sport since more than 50 years!!!

[SubaruNorway]

Tanak hits a hole or something on broken tarmac at 9:09. Although Lefebvre looked worse, Breen made it to service in the R2 Fiesta with a rear wheel completely locked but strapped to the car. Police wouldn't let you drive with that on a normal car so i think he should have been stopped.

[bowler]

It was a great drive by Tanak. Cruel that it slipped away.
Mikkelsson won by being there and deserved his win every bit as much as Tanak would have.
Great duel for 3rd and 4th created by the weather change.
Great sportsmanship shown by Ogier and others to Tanak.
Great performance by Ford and DMack.

This would not have been this way without the starting order rules.

Yet another winner.

This is the most competitive season for many years. Why would anyone want to change the start order rules?

[Simmi]

Poland produced an awesome rally but how many people would bet on it being on the calendar next year?

[EstWRC]

which stage do you mean? ss20? at 3:10 minutes Tänak says puncture...i guess you mean different stage then?

[bowler]

Strange that the yellow flag was shown to Ogier, but good response to rectify this with the correct time so quickly.

[N.O.T]

i know that NOT will love this, i didnt make it myself, LOL

https://www.upload.ee/image/5938316/FB_IMG_1467565537647.jpg

I would prefer to see him in a professional team, i think its time to get his chance.

[SubaruNorway]

which stage do you mean? ss20? at 3:10 minutes Tänak says puncture...i guess you mean different stage then?

Yup, he was lucky to get that far before it went completely then.

[EstWRC]

i think he did a great time with those 3 wheels, just 0.1 slower than Mads :p

[dimviii]

Sébastien Ogier ‏@SebOgier

Safely arrived in Warsaw! @fuckmatie37 @nicolasgilsoul #JulienIngrassia
So happy to go home now! Missing family ������

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[Wim_Impreza]

i was wondering: since when is it allowed again to drive on 3 wheels to the service? i thought it was forbidden since a few years, but lefebvre did it anyway.

Only for French people it is allowed... see Loeb in the Acropolis a few years ago.

[Rally Power]

Despite the final bad luck, Tanak, Molder and DMack guys did an outstanding work. They really deserved this one but sooner or later other wins will come on their way.

Dramatic rally end also for Lappi; just like Tanak, he lost the win on SS20 because of a puncture. Better luck for both in Finland!

[danon]

Crazy heli...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKe22KCAk9k

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7eUbDyTx0fE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVDxPvGxpXw

[RAS007]

Despite the final bad luck, Tanak, Molder and DMack guys did an outstanding work. They really deserved this one but sooner or later other wins will come on their way.

Dramatic rally end also for Lappi; just like Tanak, he lost the win on SS20 because of a puncture. Better luck for both in Finland!

Such a shame for Tanak. Really reminds me of Bruno Thiry in Corsica, in 1995, although that was possibly a little more cruel. On a brighter note, things really do seem to be opening up, in terms of competitiveness.

[Munkvy]

Well that has to be one of the most emotional WRC finishes in a long time! Gotta be good for the sport right?

Especially the great sportsmanship of some of Ott's competitors. Well done WRC!

[Allyc85]

As brilliant as that chopper is to watch, one day that will go very wrong!

[stefanvv]

On some onboards you can see Mikkelsen being a bit ragged and making small mistakes but I don't think Ott did as many.

This is true, I noticed missed junction and a few excursions wide in the ditch. However when Mikkelsen cleans the road (more or less being 3rd) his job is very demanding and those things are inevitable. If he wasn't flat-out all the time (and making small mistakes) he probably wouldn't win it. But Rajd Polski is forgiving event in terms of small driver errors. So indeed Tanak was very, very unfortunate. Better luck next time!

[Eli]

Only for French people it is allowed... see Loeb in the Acropolis a few years ago.

a few? you mean ten years ago, and btw it wasn't the only time, remember Mexico in 2004 or 2005?

[Mirek]

As brilliant as that chopper is to watch, one day that will go very wrong!

Why?

[bunnings]

http://i.imgur.com/KsI4rNP.jpg?1 (https://youtu.be/D5uQ0taCge0)
https://youtu.be/D5uQ0taCge0

[N.O.T]

As brilliant as that chopper is to watch, one day that will go very wrong!

As brilliant as watching a WRC car go by at insane speeds is, one day that will go very wrong!

[dimviii]

very clean drive from Tanak at Bunnings video.

[drive]

I was watching Baranovo SS20 stage where that sh*t happened for Tanak, most likely ... that was a really big stone, ruts where developing during first Baranovo pass (ss18) and when first wrc cars started to go on ss20 ruts juts deepen even more with each car, and that really big stones' head was opening more and more. Every car was hitting this stone as it was sitting right in a middle of the rut for the right wheel. Fast corner, really fast, and it was like to hit 25cm high kerb at full speed. Michelin tyre H4 or S4 for WRC has much more steal wiring in their structure to make it stronger for punctures and stones like that b*stard over there, they weight 2kg more than TZ or those new tyres for R5 cars.

and when R5 class cars came - crazy, it was like massacre... Good that organisers stopped this before R2 and other cars came...

https://www.facebook.com/gintaras.kuginys/posts/1053637311351258

[drive]

of course we tried to remove it many times if someone would dare to ask, but its was just a top of a big big stone, maybe few meters big under the gravel impossible to remove. Like I said, well done that stage was cancelled as 'it' could destroy all less strong cars which were to come after R5s

[danon]

As brilliant as that chopper is to watch, one day that will go very wrong!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9n2tmNWn1ec ?

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/9n2tmNWn1ec/maxresdefault.jpg

[danon]

Highlights - 2016 WRC Rally Poland - Michelin Motorsport - https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PLVyRAt2cxbxvUtpY-AQsz9eMXYDFXQP4w&v=9lPHY8o3r4A

[stefanvv]

What happened to Sordo?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JowwmnjMih8

[GravelBen]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JowwmnjMih8

Sordo carried on after that but clipped a tree with a rear wheel on SS20 and broke something.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CANz5yQdkmk&index=6&list=PLC5WXRaT9L-h4AK1ChUCZ8IiW15G0_331

[Mk2 RS2000]

As brilliant as that chopper is to watch, one day that will go very wrong!

Actually that is pretty tame stuff, you want to watch them on live deer recovery or mustering sheep in the high country of NZ.

[spyros]

3 fiesta's, 1 fighting for victory and the other 2, 3 min behind,driver's skills and experience matters.

[EstWRC]

emotions from another angle https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjo-c8fwLZw

[Barreis]

Who was nominated for points for hyundai for this rally?

[dupanton]

Who was nominated for points for hyundai for this rally?

Paddon and Neuville

[EstWRC]

Finally they got the right choice

[EstWRC]

Nice pic

https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/fr/cp0/e15/q65/13558774_1056740151072553_4274862141097617809_o.jp g?efg=eyJpIjoibyJ9&_nc_ad=z-m

[Barreis]

Well, if somebody is finishing rallies and almost never crashing, it's Sordo...

[spyros]

If i was Tommi i had recruit Ott and Suninnen already,both are talented and future champion challengers.

[Andre Oliveira]

Suninen is not in the market anymore.

[Barreis]

If i was Tommi i had recruit Ott and Suninnen already,both are talented and future champion challengers.

You mean if Ogier retires?!

[EstWRC]

I think suninen is going to Toyota anyways. Isn't he still contracted with them?

[pantealex]

I think suninen is going to Toyota anyways. Isn't he still contracted with them?

With TMG yes, with TMR Gazoo officially no.

[Simmi]

Suninen/Toyota is a very exciting prospect for the future. If that's where he's gone. Hopefully he can be the new Gronholm.

[EstWRC]

Okay. Soon it will be officially :p

[KKSF]

WRC Rally Poland 2016 - few cm from tragedy - some photographers and cameramans have luck.
Also jumps and max attack in KKSF HD video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLzrYB-ay9A

[stefanvv]

Sordo carried on after that but clipped a tree with a rear wheel on SS20 and broke something.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CANz5yQdkmk&index=6&list=PLC5WXRaT9L-h4AK1ChUCZ8IiW15G0_331


ewrc-results.com says reason for retirement engine.

[Simmi]

ewrc-results.com says reason for retirement engine.

I'm not super up on the regulations but maybe that 'engine' issue means they can fix something or run something new ahead of the next rally? Like we see in F1? There was nothing to gain for Sordo in the rally after he'd hit the tree.

[stefanvv]

I'm not super up on the regulations but maybe that 'engine' issue means they can fix something or run something new ahead of the next rally? Like we see in F1? There was nothing to gain for Sordo in the rally after he'd hit the tree.

I have no idea what is in f1. In wrc they have some (limited) options with the various parts, but which and how often I'm not familiar with. For sure they can make some changes if the time has come.
As for Sordo, the tree incident seems to happen before the other, so it is quite possible he damaged radiator or something.

[Rallyper]

WRC Rally Poland 2016 - few cm from tragedy - some photographers and cameramans have luck.
Also jumps and max attack in KKSF HD video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLzrYB-ay9A

As Teemu also mentioned we should be happy no one was killed in that rally. Seemed not to be any safety measures taken regarding to all jumps and the high speed. Compare to Finland. Just saying.

[Simmi]

I have no idea what is in f1. In wrc they have some (limited) options with the various parts, but which and how often I'm not familiar with. For sure they can make some changes if the time has come.
As for Sordo, the tree incident seems to happen before the other, so it is quite possible he damaged radiator or something.

Who knows - but no mention of engine here: http://www.crash.net/wrc/news/231827/1/sordo-suffers-late-dnf-in-poland.html

[Bartek]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vJDPAYsXv4 Ogier on the limit

[stefanvv]

Who knows - but no mention of engine here: http://www.crash.net/wrc/news/231827/1/sordo-suffers-late-dnf-in-poland.html

Haven't saw that, that might be it
Didn't know he actually drove the next stage after frontal damage, and that seems to happened on the first loop.

[dimviii]

nice video
https://youtu.be/Q0DcTLaVk2Y

and a nice photo

https://scontent-bru2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/13603416_10205173668059992_4808842050516498446_o.j pg

[Rallyper]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vJDPAYsXv4 Ogier on the limit

I thought Ogier was taking it a bit easier on this event, but apparently not.
However, just a small mistake looked could have been a big disaster for the whole rallysport. Crowds of spectators in the direction after jumps. No steering after landing...
Was every driver brainless on this event. from videos they all seemed totally crazy over every jump.

Is this rally faster than Finland or will we see same crazyness in NRF this year?

[Simmi]

I thought Ogier was taking it a bit easier on this event, but apparently not.
However, just a small mistake looked could have been a big disaster for the whole rallysport. Crowds of spectators in the direction after jumps. No steering after landing...
Was every driver brainless on this event. from videos they all seemed totally crazy over every jump.

Is this rally faster than Finland or will we see same crazyness in NRF this year?

I think it was Lunde that said it best. The pace is super high in Poland and there is a bigger margin for error. If you do the same thing in Finland you're into the forest.

[rp]

I thought Ogier was taking it a bit easier on this event, but apparently not.
However, just a small mistake looked could have been a big disaster for the whole rallysport. Crowds of spectators in the direction after jumps. No steering after landing...
Was every driver brainless on this event. from videos they all seemed totally crazy over every jump.

Is this rally faster than Finland or will we see same crazyness in NRF this year?

The safety was said to be on the different level than last year, but it seems that maybe not...

Imagine next year when 2017 World Rally Cars will be much more faster!

In Rally Finland the average speed is higher, but in Poland some parts of the stages must be faster. In Finland the safety is of course much better controlled.

[DoN_cz]

Photos: https://www.flickr.com/photos/ondrejzeman/albums/72157669956260952

[Franky]

As Teemu also mentioned we should be happy no one was killed in that rally. Seemed not to be any safety measures taken regarding to all jumps and the high speed. Compare to Finland. Just saying.

It depended on the spot really. Tho the places where I was it was quite civilised. Think the most dangerous one was on the second day where Latvala and Al-Rajhi didn't slow down or turn early enough to make the sharp left turn from cobblestone to gravel. There the safety guys didn't give a sh.. after the safety cars were through.

[MartijnS]

Yes, found it pretty strict concerning safety. We didnt see a lot of spots where we could stand where we wanted.

[tommeke_B]

+1, in general safety was good, in my opinion. It seems like there were some problematic areas, but when going through onboards I'm sure people should see that the safety is much better than last year.

[danon]

Photos: https://www.flickr.com/photos/ondrejzeman/albums/72157669956260952

Intelligence... ;)

https://c4.staticflickr.com/8/7453/27469219723_7915015e91_h.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/HRmW1B)Rajd Polski 2016 - 31 (https://flic.kr/p/HRmW1B) by Ondřej Zeman (https://www.flickr.com/photos/ondrejzeman/), on Flickr

[dimviii]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iw-1Q2696EE

[bluuford]

Haven't saw that, that might be it
Didn't know he actually drove the next stage after frontal damage, and that seems to happened on the first loop.

It was showing in dayly higlihgths that Sordo hit a tree with left side, if I am not mistaken, and broke suspension.
By the way, according to Estonian television, Ott drove powerstage without brakes. Probably it was the result of the puncture.

[Oliverk]

It was showing in dayly higlihgths that Sordo hit a tree with left side, if I am not mistaken, and broke suspension.
By the way, according to Estonian television, Ott drove powerstage without brakes. Probably it was the result of the puncture.
It was shown in the 3'rd day highlight that front right brake pipe was broken and Ott was trying to repair it.

[drive]

I was watching Baranovo SS20 stage where that sh*t happened for Tanak, most likely ... that was a really big stone, ruts where developing during first Baranovo pass (ss18) and when first wrc cars started to go on ss20 ruts juts deepen even more with each car, and that really big stones' head was opening more and more. Every car was hitting this stone as it was sitting right in a middle of the rut for the right wheel. Fast corner, really fast, and it was like to hit 25cm high kerb at full speed. Michelin tyre H4 or S4 for WRC has much more steal wiring in their structure to make it stronger for punctures and stones like that b*stard over there, they weight 2kg more than TZ or those new tyres for R5 cars.

and when R5 class cars came - crazy, it was like massacre... Good that organisers stopped this before R2 and other cars came...

https://www.facebook.com/gintaras.kuginys/posts/1053637311351258

here is my video with that b*stard rock... https://youtu.be/115K9H0Ndbg

[N.O.T]

here is my video with that b*stard rock... https://youtu.be/115K9H0Ndbg

May i ask you why you went to see a place where you can see the cars for .348sec going on a straight line ?

[danon]

Fail Selfie ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cVxoodvdhw

[EstWRC]

Lol

[AL14]

May i ask you why you went to see a place where you can see the cars for .348sec going on a straight line ?

I guess he was somewhere near there in a normal place and just went in that place to record some passes with his camera afterwards, when he noticed about the rock..
The cars that you see in the video are WRC2 cars, which means he wasn't there originally.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CYMbZd5UwAE0U2j.jpg

[N.O.T]

Damn Italians... always the party crashers....

[AL14]

Damn Italians... always the party crashers....

Oh you were trolling... Sorry then.

[stefanvv]

Oh you were trolling... Sorry then.

Does he do anything else?

[bluuford]

Damn Italians... always the party crashers....

Where is the party? ;)

[Sulland]

3 fiesta's, 1 fighting for victory and the other 2, 3 min behind,driver's skills and experience matters.

Maybe MSport should switch to DMack's? :D

[EstWRC]

i havent seen this one here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgDIY3iPpto&feature=youtu.be&a

[stefanvv]

Maybe MSport should switch to DMack's? :D

It depends

[AMSS]

There`s no denying the DMack tires have improved alot, but on this specific rally it`s at least as much Tänaks driving combined with the road position that makes the difference. Tänak also lead last year on the first day after hitting problems and beat Latvala fair and square on the last stage.

[drive]

I guess he was somewhere near there in a normal place and just went in that place to record some passes with his camera afterwards, when he noticed about the rock..
The cars that you see in the video are WRC2 cars, which means he wasn't there originally.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CYMbZd5UwAE0U2j.jpg

Spot on! I wanted to share with everyone, even with NOT, a place where Tanak lost this rally and many R5 cars were broken. Thank you.

[dimviii]

is this same spot?

http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2016/photos/pzm_rajd_polski_rally_poland_2016/rar_rroguski057.jpg


like this photo

http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2016/photos/pzm_rajd_polski_rally_poland_2016/ele_edgars_leonovs-7238.jpg


http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2016/photos/pzm_rajd_polski_rally_poland_2016/mn_058.jpg
http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2016/photos/pzm_rajd_polski_rally_poland_2016/mn_059.jpg
http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2016/photos/pzm_rajd_polski_rally_poland_2016/zbu_tanak3.jpg


for NOT EXCLUSIVELY

http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2016/photos/pzm_rajd_polski_rally_poland_2016/mn_084.jpg

[dimviii]

http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2016/photos/pzm_rajd_polski_rally_poland_2016/rar_rroguski041.jpg
http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2016/photos/pzm_rajd_polski_rally_poland_2016/rar_rroguski048.jpg
http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2016/photos/pzm_rajd_polski_rally_poland_2016/rar_rroguski050.jpg
http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2016/photos/pzm_rajd_polski_rally_poland_2016/rar_rroguski079.jpg
http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2016/photos/pzm_rajd_polski_rally_poland_2016/rar_rroguski042.jpg
http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2016/photos/pzm_rajd_polski_rally_poland_2016/rar_rroguski039.jpg

[dimviii]

http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2016/photos/pzm_rajd_polski_rally_poland_2016/jbr_0-056.jpg
http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2016/photos/pzm_rajd_polski_rally_poland_2016/jbr_0-072.jpg
http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2016/photos/pzm_rajd_polski_rally_poland_2016/jbr_0-108.jpg
http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2016/photos/pzm_rajd_polski_rally_poland_2016/jbr_0-110.jpg
http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2016/photos/pzm_rajd_polski_rally_poland_2016/jbr_0-116.jpg
http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2016/photos/pzm_rajd_polski_rally_poland_2016/jbr_0-038.jpg

[dimviii]

http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2016/photos/pzm_rajd_polski_rally_poland_2016/ele_edgars_leonovs-7265.jpg
http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2016/photos/pzm_rajd_polski_rally_poland_2016/ele_edgars_leonovs-7481.jpg
http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2016/photos/pzm_rajd_polski_rally_poland_2016/ele_edgars_leonovs-7506.jpg
http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2016/photos/pzm_rajd_polski_rally_poland_2016/ele_edgars_leonovs-7673.jpg
http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2016/photos/pzm_rajd_polski_rally_poland_2016/ele_edgars_leonovs-7209.jpg

[tommeke_B]

A few photos from me:

https://scontent-amt2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/13502799_1341944982484051_4907289570703109854_o.jp g

https://scontent-amt2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/13558796_1341944592484090_6816398835629410467_o.jp g

https://scontent-amt2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/13558972_1341945272484022_5686916314444325182_o.jp g

https://scontent-amt2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/13584706_1341945002484049_9210831790621742692_o.jp g

https://scontent-amt2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/13603460_1341944452484104_6926389460148399057_o.jp g

Some more: https://www.facebook.com/rallyimage/photos/?tab=album&album_id=1341944372484112

[dimviii]

nice photo Tom!

https://scontent-cdg2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13592693_1341945085817374_3671806349683120395_n.jp g?oh=a1c9b946f1c81e18e4745b6abc488119&oe=5833C5C0

[drive]

is this same spot?

http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2016/photos/pzm_rajd_polski_rally_poland_2016/rar_rroguski057.jpg



yes, this is

[EightGear]

Enjoy this 10 FPS onboard of Tanak.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gxbaCrDKGE

[Franky]

Enjoy this 10 FPS onboard of Tanak.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gxbaCrDKGE

Looks like they did a Cam rip :D

[N.O.T]

Enjoy this 10 FPS onboard of Tanak.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gxbaCrDKGE

LOL they removed it after all the negative comments, what a bunch of incompetent sick dogs.

[EstWRC]

Which stage was it?

[EightGear]

Stage 6, so you haven't missed much.

[EstWRC]

Suninen is not in the market anymore.

now i know what you mean ;)

Motorsport News ‏@MNRally 1h1 hour ago
There's also more on @OsianPryce's @DMACK_Tyres prize, @TeemuSuninenRac's want for a Citroen seat and the Silk Way Rally (@peugeotsport)

[ziggysony]

https://youtu.be/Q0DcTLaVk2Y video WRC Poland 2016 enjoy
1013

[Simmi]

now i know what you mean ;)

Motorsport News ‏@MNRally 1h1 hour ago
There's also more on @OsianPryce's @DMACK_Tyres prize, @TeemuSuninenRac's want for a Citroen seat and the Silk Way Rally (@peugeotsport)

According to that piece there is no deal done yet for Suninen. But for sure Jouhki seems very confident.

[dimviii]

http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2016/photos/pzm_rajd_polski_rally_poland_2016/zbu_neuville3.jpg
http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2016/photos/pzm_rajd_polski_rally_poland_2016/zbu_kajetanowicz5.jpg
http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2016/photos/pzm_rajd_polski_rally_poland_2016/zbu_ostberg4.jpg
http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2016/photos/pzm_rajd_polski_rally_poland_2016/zbu_ogier.jpg

[dimviii]

https://youtu.be/LLzrYB-ay9A?list=PLVyRAt2cxbxvUtpY-AQsz9eMXYDFXQP4w

[fansosek]

Video from Poland:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oF0086qxw3o

[dimviii]

^^^nice video,with nice spots.Bravo!^^^

[itix]

No silly comments from Capito about how the victory of Mikkelsen devalue the championship...

Could it maybe be because his team won?

Edit: were gifted the win...

[J4MIE]

People will be killed at this event if it's allowed to continue. Lots of shocking videos out there, did they not have a 'yellow card' this year in an attempt to improve safety?

[rallyfun]

People will be killed at this event if it's allowed to continue. Lots of shocking videos out there, did they not have a 'yellow card' this year in an attempt to improve safety?

you wrote as if you've never seen videos from other rallies

[J4MIE]

I have seen plenty of videos from rallies all over, but Poland seems to me to be particularly bad and asking for trouble in the future.

[GigiGalliNo1]

Another bad rally that I've covered.... Shortly after I finished Rally Poland, most of us in the media remember why we disliked it in 2015!!

[Franky]

Elaborate

[MartijnS]

Seriously?
Really liked it a lot. Can't think of any negative points.

[N.O.T]

Seriously?
Really liked it a lot. Can't think of any negative points.

he is a pro media guy with high connections.... not some amateur pleb like yourself

[EightGear]

he is a pro media guy with high connections.... not some amateur pleb like yourself
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160712/6caf6584c7595228c38c72da35b8bf7b.jpg

[GigiGalliNo1]

Ha ha ha

It started off with Shakedown...

Stage was the same if not changed a little for drivers but for media and spectators not the best.

Spectator area changed to last year. Shakedown started with a few cars, then a 45 min break due to a farmer not allowing spectators onto the stage/fields due to parking cost issue... Also safety concerns for spectators in their 'zones'

Due to the fact a few areas changed where spectators couldn't go, during this break they moved into very unsafe zones... Where last year they stood... Too last year was unsafe but again marshals did sweet all, and only enforced media to move!!!

During this 45 min break there was no communication on stage, no media alert to advise us why there was a break. No one knew. So people were walking across the stage, not even the safety car came through to check for a second time, yes they came through three times before it initially got started as a shakedown. But come on, a 45 mins break with nothing and then WRCars start driving and spectators in bad areas!!!!! One of the two factory R5 Fabia's went off and was at least two meters away from spectators!!

Some media points in the guide were proven correctly but marshals did not accept this and had to argue with them! Tanak's jump was a mess the first time around. Too were trees cut down so there wasn't anything spectacular this year. Stage access made no sense sometimes with maps and road closures...

Also the Power Stage ending was a mess and felt sorry for the Estonian fans who were kept far away from the one entry one exit paddock that the 'celebration' took place in.

[GigiGalliNo1]

he is a pro media guy with high connections.... not some amateur pleb like yourself

I do work with a well known agency and am proud of this.

Too do I enjoy viewing others images of the non professional 'standard', you can find either a new position on stages or new view on capturing.

But we can all agree on one set of images that come from the WRC... Too covers Dakar and WTCC... I know you know of whom I speak off.

But of dirt, but of HDR

[tommeke_B]

I agree on a few points, especially local farmers demanding money to enter their ground is a problem... People are already paying to see the rally, and it's normal that almost all space around the stages is someone's property, and every spectator needs some place to stand. It's the task of the organizers to refund any possible damage from the rally (either from rallycars or from spectators) to the owners, and not the task of locals to ask money to spectators. On one place we entered a meadow where some 20-30 cars were parked already. Someone came to us, telling something in Polish (which we of course didn't understood). After finding someone who spoke Polish and English, we found out he wanted 5 (1,25 euros) zloty for being on his property. When I took out my wallet he saw there was more in it and suddenly he wanted 50 zloty (+-12,5 euros), still a small amount of money, but it's a very unfair way of doing things... One of his friends already took off a valve cap of one of our wheels/tyres and threatened to deflate the tyres. In the end we moved our car and went to another place, without paying anything at all, it's not a nice thing to do but it was the best solution. Organizers should look after this problem, or it will become worse every year, as locals will learn from each other...

[N.O.T]

I do work with a well known agency and am proud of this.

Too do I enjoy viewing others images of the non professional 'standard', you can find either a new position on stages or new view on capturing.

But we can all agree on one set of images that come from the WRC... Too covers Dakar and WTCC... I know you know of whom I speak off.

But of dirt, but of HDR

Hear that MartiJns ? A WELL KNOWN AGENCY....

he is not roaming the forests with a camera in his hands making footage of 6th gear corners and jumps like yourself you gipsy pleb

His collection of hairpins and flowers and rivers will make you have nightmares till the end of your days.

[GigiGalliNo1]

No flowers for me... or rivers... but yes, I got your Hairpin comment before and I agree... an embarrassing image.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Watching those videos, the angles they are getting now over those jumps and landing them and continuing is getting more amazing ! :cool:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v282/EddieFocus/DS3_zpsiy3wrzdh.jpg

[J4MIE]

Watching those videos, the angles they are getting now over those jumps and landing them and continuing is getting more amazing ! :cool:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v282/EddieFocus/DS3_zpsiy3wrzdh.jpg

I agree. Unfortunately someone will get it wrong at some point and will go off into a crowd of hundreds. That's my point, really. If the FIA really had a focus on safety then the rally wouldn't come back.

But as we know, safety is not always the main priority.

I am all for allowing spectators/media to roam freely, but as we have seen, a lot of people can't be trusted with this. So restricting where people can go has to be done (or at least attempted), and the organisers have to carry out threats of cancelling stages - if they continue to run them whatever, then people will stand wherever.

[Franky]

The only place where I saw a tabard photographer having trouble with the safety guys was at a gravel to tarmac junction on Goldap 2, where the guy wanted to be inside the turn behind the hay roll. After a call to the HQ, they finally managed to make a deal of some sorts.

[MartijnS]

Amateur speaking here haha.

Agreed about shakedown, but hey it's not like those things don't happen anywhere else. Big gaps happen everywhere. So to say it's a bad rally only due to the 45 minute delay and some less safe standing spectators seems a bit harsh.
Got the media guide via via and had it with us during recce and had to laugh as 80% of the spots in there were the slowest corners in the whole country of Poland, so not much to work with anyway!

Access system is quite strict indeed, so that might be the only issue regarding Poland if you really want to go to specific spots you find during recce. But with some good navigating also that can be solved most of the times.
We didnt have any issues with farmers, only 1 good spot where they didn't allow anyone on their property next to the stage while they were there with a lot of friends, but hey still their own property so their good right.

We had a lot of fun, its easier to visit Rally Sardinia for example but this has to be one of the craziest rallies we have ever been to.

https://scontent-amt2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13600340_1052356908185611_6924158339158488494_n.jp g?oh=0d02f985a9988fe809ee358e483fa579&oe=57EA8873

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[Fast Eddie WRC]

I was talking more about the modern WRC cars and how they're suspension allows them to achieve all kinds of crazy-looking jumps to be made and safely landed.

Jumping high and long on fast gravel is nothing new, but that used to be on fairly level roads... but now even when the road is cambered drivers can still go flat-out knowing the cars suspension will soak up the landing with no problems at all, even at 45 degrees on two wheels...

The cars just sit down, take a level stance with no squirm or bounce, and accelerate away. Awesome really.

[ToKu]

I agree on a few points, especially local farmers demanding money to enter their ground is a problem... People are already paying to see the rally, and it's normal that almost all space around the stages is someone's property, and every spectator needs some place to stand. It's the task of the organizers to refund any possible damage from the rally (either from rallycars or from spectators) to the owners, and not the task of locals to ask money to spectators. On one place we entered a meadow where some 20-30 cars were parked already. Someone came to us, telling something in Polish (which we of course didn't understood). After finding someone who spoke Polish and English, we found out he wanted 5 (1,25 euros) zloty for being on his property. When I took out my wallet he saw there was more in it and suddenly he wanted 50 zloty (+-12,5 euros), still a small amount of money, but it's a very unfair way of doing things... One of his friends already took off a valve cap of one of our wheels/tyres and threatened to deflate the tyres. In the end we moved our car and went to another place, without paying anything at all, it's not a nice thing to do but it was the best solution. Organizers should look after this problem, or it will become worse every year, as locals will learn from each other...

It is a problem with rallies in Poland. Rally Pass gives You access to designated spectators area ONLY! If You want to stand anywhere else, You've got to pay the owner of the land (at least when one appears and demand payment).

The other hand of this situation is that once You've paid for a place, no safety is in power to move You from this place.

Same with camping alongside stages.

That's what law in Poland is like and probably that is why people would stand in crazy places, no matter how harsh the safety would be. Organizer is simply unauthorized to ban people from standing on private ground. Only solution (for organizer) is to make pre-rally agreements with land owners.