LOTOS 73rd Rally Poland 2016 [Archive] - Page 2

Mintexmemory

2nd July 2016, 09:20

dimviii

2nd July 2016, 09:24

nice time from Breen.Same time overall with Lefebvre now.

Mintexmemory

2nd July 2016, 09:27

nice time from Breen.Same time overall with Lefebvre now.

Fascinating battle - knowing both guys are driving for their future.
As regular forum members will know I've been saying since 2009 that Breen has the necessary talent to get to the top. Fingers crossed this continues to go well.

Lundefaret

2nd July 2016, 09:32

Anyone else think this can't last - insanely great time from the uncompetitive fiesta on lousy tyres. Are we looking down the barrel of a 6th different winner this season (and none of them called Mikkelsen!) and the possibility that Ogier doesn't make the podium?

If its going to happen for Tänak it should be here. Only rally where you can get away with being a little "over the top".
Speed between the top three now quite impressive. This is FAST!

dimviii

2nd July 2016, 09:37

Evans faster from skodas,and same time with Ostberg.

EstWRC

2nd July 2016, 09:39

is he on hard compound?

yep, the dmack guys in the stage end said so to Colin.

Lundefaret

2nd July 2016, 09:39

pfhhhh. hard tires and such a time? didnt believe he would beat Paddon's time.

Must remember that "Hard" Dmacks are nothing like "Hard" Michelins. Should I have a guess, I would believe "Hard" Dmacks are about a 1/4, or 1/2 way harder than the soft Michelins (if you messure the difference between the soft and hard Michelins), and thats why they struggle so much with wear on the more abrasive rallies/stages.

Dmack are doing a great job, and their tire reportedly faster than Michelin on testing.
Some sweaping going on - obviously, an very clear by the R5 times - but Tänak is doing a GREAT drive!
If not my NZ friend takes this home (we are really not focusing on results this weekend, working on other things), I hope for Tänak and Dmack - would be very deserved and great for the region with him winning his "home" rally :)

dimviii

2nd July 2016, 09:45

Sat 10:40 - SS11: WRC 2 Evans
The Welshman reignites his victory bid with a fastest time 2sec up on Lappi. The gap between them now 15.3sec. "We were quite aggressive but that's how it's going to be today. I'm raring to go." http://www.petrolheads.gr/images/smilies/oldforum/metalo.gif

Mintexmemory

2nd July 2016, 09:49

Evans faster from skodas,and same time with Ostberg.

I think this will be another great battle as the Fiesta will have been 'sorted' overnight. Nice to see EE isn't in 'finish' mode

Simmi

2nd July 2016, 09:52

Anyone else think this can't last - insanely great time from the uncompetitive fiesta on lousy tyres. Are we looking down the barrel of a 6th different winner this season (and none of them called Mikkelsen!) and the possibility that Ogier doesn't make the podium?

The exact same thoughts going through my head. It would be superb for the sport if Tanak could continue this. Not only for him and Dmack, but also M-Sport!

AL14

2nd July 2016, 09:59

SAT 10:32 - SS11: BREEN
1.7sec quicker than his team-mate Lefebvre on stage and the pair tie seventh position. "Quite an okay stage. I changed the pace notes at the end and lost my place a bit." And how about the battle with Levebre? "We're not thinking about that all. We're doing our own thing - paddling our own canoe."

http://67.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0jqs9gPkg1qf7853o2_500.gif

andyone

2nd July 2016, 10:09

Suninen needs to find also some consistency. So far he has been crashing way too much.

Really?? more than Lappi? and i think Suninen won two of the three outings of WRC 2. or maybe im mistaken.

dimviii

2nd July 2016, 10:14

Sat 11:02 - Stage info: SS12
Stanczyki 1, 25.27km. This is the longest and most picturesque stage of the rally. It runs in a hilly area rich in open spaces and spectacular views, with plenty of undulating sections. There is a mix of narrow and wide roads which pass several lakes and it is rougher than the opening day tests. It has been heavily revised from last year, with some parts driven in the opposite direction to 2015.

Tidemand Pontus - Andersson Jonas "We had a ball-joint failure under braking - we didn't touch anything. It's a shame but it happens. A new day today for us to get experience."

Fast Eddie WRC

2nd July 2016, 10:19

Are we looking down the barrel of a 6th different winner this season (and none of them called Mikkelsen!) and the possibility that Ogier doesn't make the podium?

It seems like organisers' the road order rule is having exactly their desired effect.

Its great for us to have a variety of stage and rally winners, even if its not always the best driver.

andyone

2nd July 2016, 10:22

If you were team manager and you had to - right now - pick one of these drivers for your WRC team. Who would you pick?

Tidemand
Evans
Lappi
Suninen

For me it's Tidemand.

ill pick Suninen without thinking Twice or even blinking

Mirek

2nd July 2016, 10:23

Really?? more than Lappi? and i think Suninen won two of the three outings of WRC 2. or maybe im mistaken.

I didn't write anything about Lappi. I don't understand why Lappi, who crashes probably the most of all top WRC2 drivers shall be a benchmark in this matter. You choose the best to compare with not the worst.

dimviii

2nd July 2016, 10:43

Sat 11:43 - SS12: Ogier
He's through and furious about his start position on the loose gravel stage. "A disaster," he says.

Lundefaret

2nd July 2016, 10:44

Andreas with a blinder of a time!

bugwrx

2nd July 2016, 10:46

Andreas with a blinder of a time!

And then comes Tänak faster :p

dimviii

2nd July 2016, 10:48

Τanak slower from Mikkelsen at 3rd split

dimviii

2nd July 2016, 10:51

Τanak faster at stage end. If he stays into the road,think he can do it speed wise.

bugwrx

2nd July 2016, 10:53

He deserves to win and needs that so much for his future ..

EstWRC

2nd July 2016, 10:54

And he said it was a new stage and wasn't maximum attack

dimviii

2nd July 2016, 11:06

Evans slightly faster from Skodas at 2nd split

dimviii

2nd July 2016, 11:10

Tanak after yesterday had difference from Mikkelsen 4,2 and 16,3 from Ogier.
After 2 stages now the difference is 13 and 48,5 from Ogier.

N.O.T

2nd July 2016, 11:12

Poor Ogier... everyone ridicules him nowadays.

Mintexmemory

2nd July 2016, 11:15

Poor Ogier... everyone ridicules him nowadays.

Not me - Come Germany, Corsica and Spain there will be a measure of readjustment. Safe to say he will be Champion before sweeping in Wales and Oz

dimviii

2nd July 2016, 11:17

Evans again faster.Malcolm is smiling.

N.O.T

2nd July 2016, 11:18

Not me

yes of course, but that was expected.

Mintexmemory

2nd July 2016, 11:19

Interesting how 2 juniors appear to be getting more from the DS3 than Mikko or Mads did (or is that just selective memory on my part?)

Lundefaret

2nd July 2016, 11:19

And then comes Tänak faster :p

Yes, but dont forget starting position :)
Tänak is driving absolutely great, but he off course have an advantage. Hayden also has advantage to Mikkelsen starting a couple of cars back.

Mirek

2nd July 2016, 11:21

Interesting how 2 juniors appear to be getting more from the DS3 than Mikko or Mads did (or is that just selective memory on my part?)

Meeke (and occasionally Loeb) has clearly shown that it's still a winning car in appropriate hands.

AL14

2nd July 2016, 11:21

It seems like organisers' the road order rule is having exactly their desired effect.

Its great for us to have a variety of stage and rally winners, even if its not always the best driver.

...Not all of "us"

Lundefaret

2nd July 2016, 11:22

Interesting how 2 juniors appear to be getting more from the DS3 than Mikko or Mads did (or is that just selective memory on my part?)

I think they still have a lot of improvements to do. If Meeke did this rally he surely would be in the top fight.
But they both do very well, especially with the pressure of competing with your team "mate."

(The whole "team mate" thing is off course a little bit of a joke, because the guy(s) in the same car are off course the first ones you need to beat to prove your speed.)

dimviii

2nd July 2016, 11:22

Sat 12:17 - SS12: WRC 2 Evans
Nine-tenths quicker than Lappi and he inches closer to second position. "Pretty good but hard on the tyres. We found something by default last night and that seems to have made the car a lot better."

Sat 12:21 - SS12: WRC 2 Tidemand
"This is mostly about training for Finland. I'll try to push harder on the next stage."

http://www.petrolheads.gr/images/smilies/oldforum/s5oeat.gif

Lundefaret

2nd July 2016, 11:24

...Not all of "us"

Hope they change it back to one day sweeping next year. Its a little ridiculous with Ogier almost a minute behind.

AL14

2nd July 2016, 11:26

Hope they change it back to one day sweeping next year. Its a little ridiculous with Ogier almost a minute behind.

You got the point :)

N.O.T

2nd July 2016, 11:29

Hope they change it back to one day sweeping next year. Its a little ridiculous with Ogier almost a minute behind.

yes but still, he did not make up any time on the repeated stages yesterday...

Mirek

2nd July 2016, 11:30

Interesting splits on SS13 (those whicha are actually there).

seb_sh

2nd July 2016, 11:34

Great rally so far, very exciting battles both in WRC and WRC2.

In WRC of course people are making use of their starting position, but even so it's not necessarily 'easy'. Looks like it's now Tanak's turn to capitalise and if he can keep it on the road and build a gap he will have earned the win. The Citroen youngsters fight is also interesting and they are much closer to each other than I expected but overall they are still lacking speed. In any case it's good advertisement for them and even if one doesn't continue with Citroen he has a chance to get a WRC drive in the future.

About starting position I also think 1 day championship order is enough. Anyway, this rally is probably one of the worse ones when it comes to start order.

dimviii

2nd July 2016, 11:38

Sat 12:33 - SS13: Ogier
He's through and his frustration is clear. "I have nothing special to tell you. Completely on the limit, a few times in the ditch."

dimviii

2nd July 2016, 11:40

Tanak again faster at 2nd split

Lundefaret

2nd July 2016, 11:40

yes but still, he did not make up any time on the repeated stages yesterday...

He was first on the stages also on the second run, and then he needs to make new lines, so still a disadvantage.
But Ogier is not driving his best, prob focusing a "bit" on seeping, and he has a big weakness mentally when things are not going his way. But still clearly the best driver in the world - for now ;)

dimviii

2nd July 2016, 11:43

Tanak 5 sec faster

Mirek

2nd July 2016, 11:43

Tänak awesome time on SS13!

Fast Eddie WRC

2nd July 2016, 11:43

...Not all of "us"

Its only fun for a while but dont worry normal service will resume on the asphalt.

AL14

2nd July 2016, 11:44

Where is estWRC?
I think he'll go mad if Tanak wins. Someone should stay near him lol.

Mirek

2nd July 2016, 11:48

Lefebvre 2nd fastest closing to Ogier...

EstWRC

2nd July 2016, 11:50

I have been all rally here but I just don't have words and I can't wait this rally to finish. I thought he will fight for podium but this speed is insane

Mintexmemory

2nd July 2016, 11:54

he has a big weakness mentally when things are not going his way.

I'd dispute that - I think no other driver would have brought home 5 successive podiums in the past 5 rallies despite the sweeping job. His mental attitude is absolute focus, even if he can't win, such that you just don't see him lose concentration. The only recent example of a major (human) error was Catalunya when he had switched off with the win in the bag. This is, as was said, the rally where sweeping is the biggest handicap - don't bet against him sneaking 3rd and another PS win.

dimviii

2nd July 2016, 12:05

i loled reading that.

Quickest again and Tanak's lead is up to 18sec. "Feels quite fast in the car''

EstWRC

2nd July 2016, 12:08

Haha! Some nice quotes from Tänak on this rally!

dimviii

2nd July 2016, 12:09

Evans again faster,now 12,9 from Suninen overall

Mirek

2nd July 2016, 12:18

Fuchs rolled. Continues.

It's quite unusual for him to crash so often like lately.

bluuford

2nd July 2016, 12:21

Fuchs rolled. Continues.

It's quite unusual for him to crash so often like lately.

Same happened to Nasser when he swiched to Fabia R5, car is too fast ;)

stefanvv

2nd July 2016, 12:23

...I can't wait this rally to finish.

Ogier can't wait too.

Mintexmemory

2nd July 2016, 12:23

Evans again faster,now 12,9 from Suninen overall

Funny how no one is discounting him today - probably still too much time to make up but he's keeping Suninen and Lappi honest.

Mirek

2nd July 2016, 12:27

Same happened to Nasser when he swiched to Fabia R5, car is too fast ;)

It's true that all drivers from here who drove both say that Fiesta is a lot more forgiving car :)

Lundefaret

2nd July 2016, 12:30

I'd dispute that - I think no other driver would have brought home 5 successive podiums in the past 5 rallies despite the sweeping job. His mental attitude is absolute focus, even if he can't win, such that you just don't see him lose concentration. The only recent example of a major (human) error was Catalunya when he had switched off with the win in the bag. This is, as was said, the rally where sweeping is the biggest handicap - don't bet against him sneaking 3rd and another PS win.

I am not talking about going off, but when he gets in to mental ruts like he is in now because of sweeping - last real time was 2014 - it affects his driving. He is still off course still the worlds best rally driver, but he has weaknesses in his driving, and he is loosing more time because this mental state.
But you still have to get up VERY early in the morning to beat him in a Championship :)

Simmi

2nd July 2016, 12:38

So if I heard it right on WRC Radio yesterday - if the Drive Dmack Trophy standings stay like they are then Osian Pryce will have already won himself 2 WRC2 rounds in an R5 next year. Such an amazing prize.

Rally Hokkaido

2nd July 2016, 12:56

Is Dani Sordo in this rally?... OK, timewise he is not so far behind but positionwise...bleh! (I used to be a fan)

Rally Power

2nd July 2016, 13:05

Hope they change it back to one day sweeping next year. Its a little ridiculous with Ogier almost a minute behind.

It’d be nuts to keep the current starting rule next season, as ’17 new cars will be a sort of reset for WRC. For sure VW has some guarantee that this issue will be fixed next year and probably the pressure they were making (and eased up a bit before Italy) was a failed attempt to see that change happening during this season.

stefanvv

2nd July 2016, 13:06

Is Dani Sordo in this rally?... OK, timewise he is not so far behind but positionwise...bleh! (I used to be a fan)

You can see how much the road order affects in Poland. Which makes Mikkelsen together with Tanak the men of the rally.

Mirek

2nd July 2016, 13:26

You can see how much the road order affects in Poland. Which makes Mikkelsen together with Tanak the men of the rally.

Actually we can't see how much it affects the results. We know it does but we don't know how much. For example is the difference between running first and third so bad that Mikkelsen is 40 seconds ahead of Ogier? How come that Latvala is on the very same pace as Ogier while is running a lot more down the order? I tend to believe that it's not only about sweeping but more about the things in Ogier's head like Lunde said (which is of course related to sweeping).

stefanvv

2nd July 2016, 13:33

Actually we can't see how much it affects the results. We know it does but we don't know how much. For example is the difference between running first and third so bad that Mikkelsen is 40 seconds ahead of Ogier? How come that Latvala is on the very same pace as Ogier while is running a lot more down the order? I tend to believe that it's not only about sweeping but more about the things in Ogier's head like Lunde said (which is of course related to sweeping).

You have a point of course, but this happens to Sordo now as well, not only Ogier. And Sordo is doing very good job so far this season.

N.O.T

2nd July 2016, 13:56

I think the image below would describe EstWRC if Tanak doesn't bin it...

http://i.imgur.com/rb8eIpc.gif

samWRC

2nd July 2016, 13:58

You have a point of course, but this happens to Sordo now as well, not only Ogier. And Sordo is doing very good job so far this season.
But Sordo has never been good in these fast gravel rallies like Poland and Finland.

Mirek

2nd July 2016, 13:59

Now I see that Aasen also rolled on previous stage and had to retire.

EstWRC

2nd July 2016, 14:21

Tänak saying no grip but didn't lost much on this longest stage. Cmon dmack!!!!

seb_sh

2nd July 2016, 14:34

I think Sordo is affected by both position and his lack of speed on this type of rally.

Also I have a feeling some drivers that say they are pushing but not getting the times are overdriving and instead losing time, Camilli for example. Sordo and Latvala seemed to be the only one that recognised their driving was not up to par and that's why they are not where they're supposed to be.

the top 3 are in a different class on this rally, on some stages Neuville too. Paddon is making some mistakes, maybe trying to hard, and losing some time because of that. Tanak and Mikkelsen have been more efficient so far.

Mirek

2nd July 2016, 14:38

Lappi in the lead of WRC2. Both Finns a lot faster than Evans this time.

AL14

2nd July 2016, 14:41

stefanvv

2nd July 2016, 14:51

Fun fact: if Tanak will win this, the 2nd,3rd and 4th drivers in the championship will not have won a single rally while 5th,6th,7th,8th and 9th did.

That's another outcome of this farce that I really hope will end next year.

Yeap, it is fun to have so many different winners. But it shouldn't last for long indeed.

Raini

2nd July 2016, 14:51

Ross99

2nd July 2016, 14:52

Yes, because Sordo and Ostberg would have won otherwise.

PLuto

2nd July 2016, 14:57

Fun fact: if Tanak will win this, the 2nd,3rd and 4th drivers in the championship will not have won a single rally while 5th,6th,7th,8th and 9th did.

That's another outcome of this farce that I really hope will end next year.

I hope it will not change for next year. This is very good info for championship that there are different winners...

Simmi

2nd July 2016, 15:00

I hope it will not change for next year. This is very good info for championship that there are different winners...

Yeah I think it's harsh to call it a complete farce. It does show that some strength in depth is returning to the championship. And unpredictability in what has been the most predictable form of motorsport for years can't be bad. For now I think we should embrace the positives we are seeing - and then next season go back to just a single day or road sweeping for the championship leader.

In a brief conversation between Jarmo Mahonen and Colin Clark yesterday he did sound like it might be changing next year.

AL14

2nd July 2016, 15:01

I respect everyone's opinion (of course)...

But I think all those Loeb victories, and Ogier afterwards have a bit obfuscated your meaning of "exciting".

Mirek

2nd July 2016, 15:03

Different rally winners are only good to rallysport, dont remember even, when so many different drivers won within 6 rallies. But yes, the new generation of young guns are getting more and more comfortable in rally car and this year shows the result of hard working rally teams and drivers very well. But yes, if 5th - 9th place drivers are capable to win a rally, it is only a exciting thing to rallysport.

The current rules create somewhat strange situation when those who are higher in the championship standings instead of pulling away have to defend their lead until the championship comes on asphalt where if they can stay ahead will enjoy having a reasonable advantage over their pursuers. It's not that black and white like some portray it. The somewhat unpredictable outcome is not that bad. It gives motivation to other teams and drivers and it's fun for spectators (I admit not for all). It's just different rules but it's same for all. In the end it's a game and it depends on everyone how he plays his cards.

Ross99

2nd July 2016, 15:05

You have a point of course, but this happens to Sordo now as well, not only Ogier. And Sordo is doing very good job so far this season.
Sordo is only doing well, because others couldn't keep it on the road. This time around, no one's crashed (yet) so he has no way of gaining positions.

Mariusz

2nd July 2016, 15:07

Sordo is only doing well, because others couldn't keep it on the road. This time around, no one's crashed (yet) so he has no way of gaining positions.
It looks you haven't watched any rally this season.

eib1

2nd July 2016, 15:10

Aasen

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CmXYrHbUcAAgzb6.jpg

Mirek

2nd July 2016, 15:14

Maiden stage victory for Lefebvre.

Ucci

2nd July 2016, 15:14

R

That's another outcome of this farce that I really hope will end next year.

For me this is no farce....on the tarmac Ogier will show his speed. I like this situation.

Mariusz

2nd July 2016, 15:15

Lefebrvre wins SS15! Now it's 11,4 s between him and Breen.

Ucci

2nd July 2016, 15:15

Ucci

2nd July 2016, 15:16

The current rules create somewhat strange situation when those who are higher in the championship standings instead of pulling away have to defend their lead until the championship comes on asphalt where if they can stay ahead will enjoy having a reasonable advantage over their pursuers. It's not that black and white like some portray it. The somewhat unpredictable outcome is not that bad. It gives motivation to other teams and drivers and it's fun for spectators (I admit not for all). It's just different rules but it's same for all. In the end it's a game and it depends on everyone how he plays his cards.
Agree 100%

Ross99

2nd July 2016, 15:16

It looks you haven't watched any rally this season.
I still hold on to my statement. Sordo is mediocre on gravel and even if he wasn't starting 2nd, he would only fight with the Fords for 9th-10th at best.

stefanvv

2nd July 2016, 15:21

R

For me this is no farce....on the tarmac Ogier will show his speed. I like this situation.

By China/France he might well be already a champion and not giving everything for the win. But he might.

seb_sh

2nd July 2016, 15:21

I still hold on to my statement. Sordo is mediocre on gravel and even if he wasn't starting 2nd, he would only fight with the Fords for 9th-10th at best.

I disagree. It's true, sometimes he benefits from others going off and he's not a gravel ace but usually he's not as slow. This rally is unusually bad for him partly due to his starting position partly due to himself.

Mirek

2nd July 2016, 15:22

I still hold on to my statement. Sordo is mediocre on gravel and even if he wasn't starting 2nd, he would only fight with the Fords for 9th-10th at best.

He was 4th in ALL gravel rounds of 2016 season until now.

dimviii

2nd July 2016, 15:30

ss 15

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CmXcueEXgAAZCQD.jpg:large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CmXb3gXWIAA-Epx.jpg:large

ELPE

2nd July 2016, 15:34

Different rally winners are only good to rallysport, dont remember even, when so many different drivers won within 6 rallies. But yes, the new generation of young guns are getting more and more comfortable in rally car and this year shows the result of hard working rally teams and drivers very well. But yes, if 5th - 9th place drivers are capable to win a rally, it is only a exciting thing to rallysport.

Fun with younger drivers start driving fast. The question to ask is how well has this generation been. Loeb, of course, and perhaps Ogier, but then? If you think of the 90s with Sainz, McRae, Burns, Eriksson, Mäkkinen, Kankunen, Auriol, Gronholm with more so there was always 5 maybe 10 drivers who could win a race. Feels like it's been very thin at the top the last 10 years and too easy for Loeb and Ogier to line up the championship.

Mirek

2nd July 2016, 15:43

Fun with younger drivers start driving fast. The question to ask is how well has this generation been. Loeb, of course, and perhaps Ogier, but then? If you think of the 90s with Sainz, McRae, Burns, Eriksson, Mäkkinen, Kankunen, Auriol, Gronholm with more so there was always 5 maybe 10 drivers who could win a race. Feels like it's been very thin at the top the last 10 years and too easy for Loeb and Ogier to line up the championship.

Or it was vice versa. Who can tell? Maybe just Loeb and Ogier are so exceptional that the others look worse than they are? Don't forget that Loeb sent one whole generation of these drivers to retirement...

stefanvv

2nd July 2016, 16:06

Or it was vice versa. Who can tell? Maybe just Loeb and Ogier are so exceptional that the others look worse than they are? Don't forget that Loeb sent one whole generation of these drivers to retirement...

And then Ogier sent Loeb in retirement.

Mirek

2nd July 2016, 16:07

No, he didn't. When Loeb retired Ogier didn't defeat him every here and there, quite the opposite.

dimviii

2nd July 2016, 16:11

Mads Østberg ‏@MadsOstberg

SS16 7:35.1 "Managed to take 1 tenth of Dani, not bad eh? hehe. Its difficult, you have to fight for what you can fight for" #wrc

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CmXnkVRWAAATFU_.jpg

EstWRC

2nd July 2016, 16:13

wuhuhuuuuuuuu

stefanvv

2nd July 2016, 16:14

No, he didn't. When Loeb retired Ogier didn't defeat him every here and there, quite the opposite.

You mean 2009?

N.O.T

2nd July 2016, 16:16

You mean 2009?

http://i.imgur.com/JC7GH7c.jpg

stefanvv

2nd July 2016, 16:22

It was just a normal question, but ok, I see where this is going, time to stop.

AL14

2nd July 2016, 16:23

19.5 seconds gap. That's good for Tanak he extended it. He can do it tomorrow if he doesn't make mistakes... Let's see.

Mirek

2nd July 2016, 16:25

You mean 2009?

Come on, You're not so stupid. In 2012 which was the last full season of Loeb Ogier didn't defeat Loeb even once except when Loeb retired but even in those cases Ogier wasn't ahead. Loeb had 9 victories and Ogier 0 in 2012, he even had 0 podiums. Loeb had 270 points and Ogier 41 (10th in the championship behind Prokop). You definition of sending into retirement is funny...

N.O.T

2nd July 2016, 16:27

come on, you're not so stupid.

lol...

dimviii

2nd July 2016, 16:29

Sat 17:25 - SS16: Bertelli
"There was a big bee in the car and it was very distracting. Later I missed a junction and lost five seconds."

N.O.T

2nd July 2016, 16:31

Come on, You're not so stupid. In 2012 which was the last full season of Loeb Ogier didn't defeat Loeb even once except when Loeb retired but even in those cases Ogier wasn't ahead. Loeb had 9 victories and Ogier 0 in 2012, he even had 0 podiums. Loeb had 270 points and Ogier 41 (10th in the championship behind Prokop). You definition of sending into retirement is funny...

in 2012 Ogier was in a skoda

Mirek

2nd July 2016, 16:32

in 2012 Ogier was in a skoda

OK. Now I'm the idiot. Fine :)

My appologize to everyone.

Mirek

2nd July 2016, 16:38

Kruuda stopped after the start with oil leak...

N.O.T

2nd July 2016, 16:40

when was the last time a Ford won ?

seb_sh

2nd July 2016, 16:46

And then Ogier sent Loeb in retirement.

hardly. Loeb had been in a WRC drive since 2002, first full season 2003, that's a pretty long time. Just because Ogier appeared at the end of Loeb's career doesn't mean he 'sent' him into retirement.

On the other hand, for example McRae was more or less left without a drive when the rules changed to 2 car teams and Loeb was preferred.

EstWRC

2nd July 2016, 16:46

when was the last time a Ford won ?

latvala in wales 2012

dimviii

2nd July 2016, 16:46

stages 10-13
https://youtu.be/bXUrd_A7qD4

AL14

2nd July 2016, 16:48

when was the last time a Ford won ?

Latvala in 2012.

dimviii

2nd July 2016, 16:49

anybody who had choosed Tanak for winner at pickems?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CmXwUwXXgAABlqw.jpg:large

dimviii

2nd July 2016, 16:51

Sat 17:49 - SS16: WRC 2 Gilbert
His Citroen's engine stops at the finish control and won't restart. There's a bad smell of oil and the dash is ablaze with warning lights. This doesn't look good. "Engine pressure," says co-driver Renaud Jamoul as he reaches for the tool kit. Gilbert was sixth after SS15.

Eli

2nd July 2016, 17:02

when was the last time a Ford won ?

I believe that was back in Wales 2012 with JML.

N.O.T

2nd July 2016, 17:04

I believe that was back in Wales 2012 with JML.

are you sure ?

stefanvv

2nd July 2016, 17:19

hardly. Loeb had been in a WRC drive since 2002, first full season 2003, that's a pretty long time. Just because Ogier appeared at the end of Loeb's career doesn't mean he 'sent' him into retirement.

Don't take my post literally, it isn't the purpose to send one in retirement. This is kind of trademark of Loeb fans. So my post was more like - natural change of the generation for the drivers.

On the other hand, for example McRae was more or less left without a drive when the rules changed to 2 car teams and Loeb was preferred.

Yes, and they preferred the older Sainz who is almost retired anyway. Little funny.

PLuto

2nd July 2016, 17:26

In a brief conversation between Jarmo Mahonen and Colin Clark yesterday he did sound like it might be changing next year.

It will change, for sure. FIA is doing everything what Volkswagen wants... VW is very strong.

dimviii

2nd July 2016, 17:46

Gilbert trying to fix oil radiator leak

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CmX3hU1W8AAfe9k.jpg

Simmi

2nd July 2016, 17:50

Both Kruuda and Gilbert out within a stage. Katjo will be up into the top 5 now.

EDIT: Nope, Gilbert's Twitter people say they've got it sorted and should be able to finish the leg. Good news!

dimviii

2nd July 2016, 18:05

https://scontent-bru2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/13528093_10210012762499562_2233426850365693640_o.j pg
https://scontent-bru2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/13522997_10210012754819370_9044764610752390169_o.j pg

stefanvv

2nd July 2016, 18:13

Come on, You're not so stupid.

It depends of the meaning. My question was which retirement, because he had 2, the one in 2009 and the final, it is hard to know which one someone means, for me personally there are 2, for some other there might be only 1 don't know.
As for my IQ I did some of those internet tests few years ago just for fun and to waste some time, it said ~70% if I remember right, so I'm not Einstein either.
I'll just ignore the rest of the post, You apologized already anyway:)

dimviii

2nd July 2016, 18:21

It depends of the meaning. My question was which retirement, because he had 2, the one in 2009 and the final, it is hard to know which one someone means, for me personally there are 2, for some other there might be only 1 don't know.
As for my IQ I did some of those internet tests few years ago just for fun and to waste some time, it said ~70% if I remember right, so I'm not Einstein either.
I'll just ignore the rest of the post, You apologized already anyway:)

these are the symptoms of Loebphobia.
NOT is the distributor for Loebphobia pills.Dont hesitate to ask him.

stefanvv

2nd July 2016, 18:25

these are the symptoms of Loebphobia.

If You read my posts more carefully, not being emotional, You'll understand I'm not writing against him as a driver. Who is better between him and Ogier, well, I guess I don't mean such measurement. I'll leave the measurements to somebody else.

dimviii

2nd July 2016, 18:29

If You read my posts more carefully, not being emotional, You'll understand I'm not writing against him as a driver. Who is better between him and Ogier, well, I guess I don't mean such measurement. I'll leave the measurements to somebody else.

sent a pm to NOT.
Tell him for discount.

stefanvv

2nd July 2016, 18:41

sent a pm to NOT.
Tell him for discount.

What?:D

dimviii

2nd July 2016, 18:42

Paddon always slow at ss,but now even r5 cars faster than him.
Whats on Lunda?

RAS007

2nd July 2016, 18:42

these are the symptoms of Loebphobia.
NOT is the distributor for Loebphobia pills.Dont hesitate to ask him.

And these^^^ are the symptoms of Loeb liebe. He's gone. You'll find a new love. In time.

dimviii

2nd July 2016, 18:46

borl video day 2
https://youtu.be/iDJNdrCkDiI

bluuford any update for tomorrow weather?

stefanvv

2nd July 2016, 18:51

It will change, for sure. FIA is doing everything what Volkswagen wants... VW is very strong.

Everything? What was the "shoot-out" story?

Simmi

2nd July 2016, 18:55

dimviii

2nd July 2016, 18:56

And these^^^ are the symptoms of Loeb liebe. He's gone. You'll find a new love. In time.

http://jeffcavins.com/storage/docbase/images/when%20you%20suffer.jpg?__SQUARESPACE_CACHEVERSION =1465505937720

EstWRC

2nd July 2016, 18:56

some info about rally poland, Tänak extended his lead to 21 secs with Mikolajki stage win.

stefanvv

2nd July 2016, 19:00

Sat 17:25 - SS16: Bertelli
"There was a big bee in the car and it was very distracting. Later I missed a junction and lost five seconds."

May be it was taking a free ride searching for flowers.

AL14

2nd July 2016, 19:00

21 should be enough hopefully.
I have to admit that I didn't expect Ott would have extended his lead so much today. Let's hope for the best tomorrow.

stefanvv

2nd July 2016, 19:01

What is this Loeb retirement in 2009 you keep referencing?

virtual, only his intention to do so.

N.O.T

2nd July 2016, 19:05

And these^^^ are the symptoms of Loeb liebe. He's gone. You'll find a new love. In time.

http://i.imgur.com/0dhBAdO.jpg

stefanvv

2nd July 2016, 19:06

21 should be enough hopefully.
I have to admit that I didn't expect Ott would have extended his lead so much today. Let's hope for the best tomorrow.

They should be enough. This rally suits him and tyres difference is insignificant there.

Mirek

2nd July 2016, 19:06

Gilbert managed to repair the car and finish the leg.

dimviii

2nd July 2016, 19:08

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CmX6k-1WYAEzqFF.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CmX6mF4WAAAt7Xm.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CmX6inSWAAABeOq.jpg

RAS007

2nd July 2016, 19:09

http://jeffcavins.com/storage/docbase/images/when%20you%20suffer.jpg?__SQUARESPACE_CACHEVERSION =1465505937720

I'm so glad you feel able to share the depths of your despair with the forum. Heartbreak is hard, but you're among friends here. Did the book help you?

N.O.T

2nd July 2016, 19:13

dimviii

2nd July 2016, 19:15

Ott Tänak, Rosochackie Jump,

https://youtu.be/tPSIkEk95iw

RAS007

2nd July 2016, 19:17

put these in order, from the one that caused the most pain to the one that caused the least.

1. The failure of scotland to leave the UK
2. The fact that England and Wales dragged scotland out of the EU
3. Loeb beating Mcrae like a dog without an owner and forcing him to become a clown in the US and X-games for the entertainment of US citizens

then we can talk about suffering all you want.

Heartbreak is hard, but bitterness can eat away at your soul. You should get some help, you don't have to live your life this way. For what it's worth, I hope Scotland becomes the new Greece.

N.O.T

2nd July 2016, 19:25

For what it's worth, I hope Scotland becomes the new Greece.

That is way too hard even for you guys.

denkimi

2nd July 2016, 19:30

They should be enough. This rally suits him and tyres difference is insignificant there.

i would say the difference in tyres is significant here. dmacks are clearly working better than michelins here.

EstWRC

2nd July 2016, 19:36

any proof?

macebig

2nd July 2016, 19:48

N.O.T

2nd July 2016, 19:51

Could you please take your Loeb blowup dolls and go somewhere else to play? There is a great event going on and all we see here is :"Loeb this, Loeb that ".Grow up ,please and stop worshipping like 15 years olds do to Bieber.

i just cannot resist Loeb baits, which unfortunately show up every time Mr Kaiser has a hard time.

stefanvv

2nd July 2016, 19:55

Just watched Tamak's SS13 onboard, wow that was fast. Positively (little) surprised by his (clean) driving though. Does D-Mack adventure helped him to grow as a driver?!?

eib1

2nd July 2016, 19:59

i would say the difference in tyres is significant here. dmacks are clearly working better than michelins here.

No, Tänak is clearly working better than others. On Michelins the gap would even be bigger IMO.

bluuford

2nd July 2016, 20:04

Weather:
+15..17, rain starts at around 2-3 am, continues until the end of rally, maybe some 30 min or 1 h moments with almost no rain. So, wet gravel, mud, standing water, rapidly deepening ruts, soon water in the ruts etc. Starting earlier should benefit. Shity conditions. Many fights for tomorrow, lets see what happens!

driveace

2nd July 2016, 20:04

They were told just 1 referendum They had it and the majority wanted to stay IN the UK That's it accept it ,your prosperity from oil is gone ! Just same with Brexit Just ONE referendum 1000000 more people wanted OUT of the EU ,so except the result and let's make it work

N.O.T

2nd July 2016, 20:16

stefanvv

2nd July 2016, 20:22

Mirek

2nd July 2016, 20:38

stefanvv

2nd July 2016, 20:52

How is that connected to Rajd Polski?

"Rajd" interesting name. Kind of sign what is probably waiting tomorrow? You know "Rally-raid", mud, water, difficult conditions so to speak... Only the mileage doesn't fit, pity....

EstWRC

2nd July 2016, 20:55

Just watched Tamak's SS13 onboard, wow that was fast. Positively (little) surprised by his (clean) driving though. Does D-Mack adventure helped him to grow as a driver?!?

SS11 looks even faster IMO. Already last year his style looked cleaner to me and this year it has got even more cleaner. Look some footage of 2012 season where he was basically sideways everywhere.

cali

2nd July 2016, 20:56

"Rajd" interesting name. Kind of sign what is probably waiting tomorrow? You know "Rally-raid", mud, water, difficult conditions so to speak...
As far as I know Mirek referred to the old Rajd Polski which successor this rally is. Rajd Polski = Rally of Poland.

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Mirek

2nd July 2016, 21:04

It's still called Rajd Polski. Rally of Poland is only a second name to fit the standard naming used in WRC. Just check the official event website: http://www.rajdpolski.pl/

Anyway Rajd = Rally in Polish.

stefanvv

2nd July 2016, 21:05

As far as I know Mirek referred to the old Rajd Polski which successor this rally is. Rajd Polski = Rally of Poland.

Yes as a member of the ex-Soviet block I know well of former ERC Rajd Polski and what the word Rajd means in Polish. Thank You for the explanation anyway:) A little "entertainment" of this thread.

bowler

2nd July 2016, 21:14

The value of the Pirelli Star Driver programme is strong in this rally

dimviii

2nd July 2016, 21:23

The value of the Pirelli Star Driver programme is strong in this rally

yeap Tanak and Paddon.

Fly

2nd July 2016, 21:32

Aasen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5c27RhLSVo&feature=youtu.be

danon

2nd July 2016, 22:02

Vids - https://www.facebook.com/EpicRallyTribe2.0/?fref=nf

itix

2nd July 2016, 22:05

http://i.imgur.com/0dhBAdO.jpg
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N.O.T

2nd July 2016, 22:09

nice.

gban007

2nd July 2016, 22:13

Fun fact: if Tanak will win this, the 2nd,3rd and 4th drivers in the championship will not have won a single rally while 5th,6th,7th,8th and 9th did.

That's another outcome of this farce that I really hope will end next year.

Is this just looking at current standings? As looking at the championship, if it there isn't much movement in positions, it is likely that Ostberg will drop a couple of places, so that the new 4th will have won a rally.

GigiGalliNo1

2nd July 2016, 22:22

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160702/6e38084bc1a1d2313ae6e7e4385c4328.jpg

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160702/e70af296157c5db9fe9a81ecd73d827e.jpg

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160702/d6859b3d3cf4d7c35720977b5a4efbee.jpg

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160702/c98dd34bdc4161b09074e274c3593061.jpg

N.O.T

2nd July 2016, 22:57

Hairpin.... check
Driver face focused and others unfocused... check
panning because the spot i visited was crap but it was in the rally guide.... check

all you need are some old houses, some flowers and you can call yourself a pro kid.

stefanvv

2nd July 2016, 23:33

Is this just looking at current standings? As looking at the championship, if it there isn't much movement in positions, it is likely that Ostberg will drop a couple of places, so that the new 4th will have won a rally.

@AL14, which standing are You looking at?

GravelBen

2nd July 2016, 23:40

Paddon always slow at ss,but now even r5 cars faster than him.
Whats on Lunda?

He said he got mud sprayed over his windscreen by the other car and couldn't see, that probably didn't help...

Still a lot of time to lose on an sss though.

Lundefaret

2nd July 2016, 23:52

Paddon always slow at ss,but now even r5 cars faster than him.
Whats on Lunda?

We are working quite a lot on Super Specials, and as you can see on the first running the deficit was 1.1 sec compared ti I think 3.4 last year.
But both runs after he has been given the "wrong" lane to start from, and then you get grael thrown on the windscreen two-three times during the laps, so a little added difficulty. But progression is being made, as you can see when you compare to Poland last year. :)

PLuto

3rd July 2016, 00:38

Everything? What was the "shoot-out" story?

He was trying to find the limit of stupidities in their offers...

stefanvv

3rd July 2016, 00:49

He was trying to find the limit of stupidities in their offers...

That's fine, but I was asking if they are so powerful why it wasn't accepted?

danon

3rd July 2016, 01:26

http://www.lifo.gr/uploads/image/953161/12744215_1164983956868382_1543095629882419496_n.jp g

http://s5.postimg.org/4a93lwbev/bxt.jpg

3rd July 2016, 05:59

Latvala seems to be past his best these days. Behind Mikelssen in the championship, slower here on an event you would think would suit him..

Having said that, he will probably now go and win in Finland.

Is he contracted for next year?

Munkvy

3rd July 2016, 07:26

So what will the weather do to the road order today? Looking at the start order Ogier might benefit from being so much further up the order compared to the top 3, assuming the wet does make being further up the order better?

PLuto

3rd July 2016, 07:33

That's fine, but I was asking if they are so powerful why it wasn't accepted?

Like I wrote, they were trying to find the limit of stupidities in their offers. It was not so good idea also for them to push more for it. It was only attempt. If they really want to push through, they do it...

Mk2 RS2000

3rd July 2016, 07:48

The fat lady is just about to gargle and clear her throat.

dimviii

3rd July 2016, 07:48

Good morning guys!

Sun 08:47 - Tyre info
News from Michelin on the numbers and compounds (Hard or Soft) chosen for the morning loop: All drivers have taken five soft compound tyres.

dimviii

3rd July 2016, 07:51

Ott Tänak ‏@OttTanak

Morning morning, some final discussions before leave for the last four stages

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cma6U8qW8AAcfps.jpg

Simmi

3rd July 2016, 08:03

dimviii

3rd July 2016, 08:07

Tanak only 1,3 sec slower from Mikkelsen at last split

Lundefaret

3rd July 2016, 08:08

Great stage by Andreas :)

HaCo

3rd July 2016, 08:11

Was expecting that the first four would lose a lit more on Ogier, but instead...

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dimviii

3rd July 2016, 08:12

Latvala from today stage
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=519372921594383

Neuville too
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=519373694927639

dimviii

3rd July 2016, 08:14

Sun 09:15 - SS18: Tanak
He completes 2.4sec slower than Mikkelsen and his rally lead over Mikkelsen is 18.9sec. "So slippery," he says. "We are far too hard with the car set-up. Very difficult. We'll change the set-up before the next one."

dimviii

3rd July 2016, 08:17

Ogier
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=519371581594517

Mikkelsen

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=519375288260813

Tanak
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=519383391593336

watch how clean is Tanaks pass compared to Mikkelsens

Mirek

3rd July 2016, 08:19

Evans much faster than Suninen and Lappi getting into second place!

dimviii

3rd July 2016, 08:20

wow Evans took 9,1 sec from Lappi.

giù tutto!

3rd July 2016, 08:26

It's gonna be a great battle till the end at WRC2!

dimviii

3rd July 2016, 08:26

Sordo ss19

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CmbGLMQXYAERb7b.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CmbGJEAWAAA6xPX.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CmbGISjWYAEmG_c.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CmbHFNPWYAA7aGU.jpg

Colin reporting that coolant is leaking

stefanvv

3rd July 2016, 08:27

Evans much faster than Suninen and Lappi getting into second place!

The conditions are like in Wales now.

Simmi

3rd July 2016, 08:29

Have to agree with Ostberg - pretty bad they wouldn't have a marshal or two on those chicanes.

3rd July 2016, 08:31

wow Evans took 9,1 sec from Lappi.

I think that's because Lappi was a little slow rather than Evans being mega fast.

Mirek

3rd July 2016, 08:33

I think that's because Lappi was a little slow rather than Evans being mega fast.

In that case Suninen was very slow and lost his complete lead over Evans he was building for whole rally in just one moment. Anyway it doesn't matter how You call it, Evans was a lot faster than them for whatever reason.

dimviii

3rd July 2016, 08:33

I think that's because Lappi was a little slow rather than Evans being mega fast.

thats my impression too,lets see at next stages.

i love Msport twits

M-Sport ‏@MSportLtd

The Welshmen are coming! A stunning time for @ElfynEvans in SS18 means he's up to 2nd and chasing the #WRC2 win!

dimviii

3rd July 2016, 08:36

Sun 09:38 - SS19: Stage paused
To allow marshals to rebuild the bale chicane. Three damaged ones have been rolled away.

http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_07_2016/post-93-0-31735000-1467531686.jpeg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CmbJcBUW8AA78Si.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CmbJbNyWEAAUkh-.jpg

dimviii

3rd July 2016, 08:39

Lefebvre

http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_07_2016/post-93-0-48563000-1467531978.jpeg

dimviii

3rd July 2016, 08:41

Quentin Gilbert @gilbert_quentin

#RajdPolski Finished for us. Engine broken before the start of SS18. Too bad we were on course to finish 4th # WRC2 @OfficialWRC

SubaruNorway

3rd July 2016, 08:42

Thanks for that Lefebvre! No more live on this stage!

dimviii

3rd July 2016, 08:44

stage again stopped?

Simmi

3rd July 2016, 08:44

Bizarre move to give Ogier the yellow flag warning after he's gone past a parked car? Not a great advert for rallying this stage.

dimviii

3rd July 2016, 08:45

Sun 09:48 - SS19: Ogier
He completes but at reduced pace. "I had a yellow flag in the car so I had to slow," he explains, "I don't know why. I passed Lefebvre parked in the stage."

dimviii

3rd July 2016, 08:48

https://scontent-bru2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13567014_10208541084037382_7030424752847673383_n.j pg?oh=4d6c99db893146ab637961bb87e027ae&oe=57ECA71A
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dimviii

3rd July 2016, 08:50

Sun 09:50 - SS19: Latvala
Quickest so far and evidently unaffected by the yellow flag situation. "Difficult to say what's going on."

congrats to organizers.Its really sad to see such bad organizations at wrc level,while Acropolis is out.

https://scontent-bru2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/13528598_10153723281085754_3388220330768312022_o.j pg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CmbMQ25WgAAXA--.jpg

Mirek

3rd July 2016, 08:53

Bizarre move to give Ogier the yellow flag warning after he's gone past a parked car? Not a great advert for rallying this stage.

That's exactly what we discussed in the Ypres thread. Yellow flag must not be used by marshals on their own decision. Let's see if they give him notional time but I guess with Ogier they'll do. It would be most likely different if it was someone from down the field.

dimviii

3rd July 2016, 08:55

Ogier was 3,4 sec from Latvala and after the chaos with yellow flag slowing him down now he is 18,3 sec behind him

dimviii

3rd July 2016, 08:58

Sun 09:59 - SS19: Tanak
Third quickest, 2.4sec slower than Mikkelsen, and his rally lead is 18.9sec. "All going to plan. The grip was better in here. Now we can make some changes to the car. We'll soften it for the second loop."

Sun 09:57 - SS19: Mikkelsen
Quickest so far. "I heard that so much was going on in here I was a bit scared." And the fight with Tanak? "Ott is driving well - it's difficult."

no fight Andreas?http://www.petrolheads.gr/images/smilies/oldforum/mad.gif

Mirek

3rd July 2016, 08:59

Ogier was 3,4 sec from Latvala and after the chaos with yellow flag slowing him down now he is 18,3 sec behind him

It is possible that they later decide about a notional time for Ogier and the fight may be decided from green table after the last stage. Let's see what happens.

Eric

3rd July 2016, 09:03

dimviii

3rd July 2016, 09:05

small video with Lefebvre trying to fix the mess
https://twitter.com/RadioOlsztyn?lang=el

dimviii

3rd July 2016, 09:06

Seems like he is trying? But of course, its difficult... Cant blame him for saying that

i dont blame him,i just want to see fight.

Sun 10:06 - SS19: WRC 2 Evans
1.9sec slower than Suninen here and Evans slips back to third in class. "He took some time back here now - that's not ideal. We'll keep ploughing on," he says.

''thats not ideal'' lolol

cosmin_sb

3rd July 2016, 09:11

slowly Kajetanowicz climb on fourth position on WRC2

EstWRC

3rd July 2016, 09:13

i think i have to take some pills before the last two stages, this is too much for me

Mirek

3rd July 2016, 09:13

Ogier given notional time 4:31,2. One second faster than Latvala. By the way it's third rally in a row where we have artifficial stage victory. Call me whatever You want but I don't agree with this trend at all.

Fuchs and Kremer retired.

Yesterday Pluto mentioned somewhat funny start list. Yes, it was funny but I find it even more funny that some clear nonsense was "fixed" for today's starting list. For example Tidemand was yesterday seeded among top WRC2 drivers despite his retirement on day 1 but today he is seeded based on his real position way down the order.

dimviii

3rd July 2016, 09:29

video with citroen mechanics trying to fix Lefebvres ds2
https://www.facebook.com/citroenracing/videos/10153786504587057/?permPage=1

Mirek

3rd July 2016, 09:30

Kremer
https://scontent.fmad3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13590413_10204876695836420_8577577066621308155_n.j pg?oh=44ae6d66efa9a881ca66eb4c79b9fed6&oe=57F553EB

Fuchs and Pedder also crashed but Pedder is able to continue. So three Škodas crashed in one short stage, lol.

dimviii

3rd July 2016, 09:37

when was last time a non works car won a wrc round? Was Cunico at 1993 San Remo?

Mirek

3rd July 2016, 09:39

I think so, yes. Another and maybe even more difficult question. When was the last time neither Michelin nor Pirelli won a WRC event?

dimviii

3rd July 2016, 09:42

Sun 10:37 - Chicane removed
Organisers have confirmed that the problematic hay bale chicane in the Sady stage will be removed for the repeat pass.

onemanband

3rd July 2016, 09:46

when was last time a non works car won a wrc round? Was Cunico at 1993 San Remo?

Wasn't it Mads Ostberg, Portugal 2012?

dimviii

3rd July 2016, 09:48

I think so, yes. Another and maybe even more difficult question. When was the last time neither Michelin nor Pirelli won a WRC event?

bf goodrichhttp://www.petrolheads.gr/images/smilies/smooth/tongue.gif

dimviii

3rd July 2016, 09:48

Wasn't it Mads Ostberg, Portugal 2012?

yes you are right after Mikkos exclusion while he was 2 minutes behind.

Mirek

3rd July 2016, 09:49

bf goodrichhttp://www.petrolheads.gr/images/smilies/smooth/tongue.gif

lol, ok. So no brand of Michelin and Pirelli groups :p

dimviii

3rd July 2016, 09:56

lol, ok. So no brand of Michelin and Pirelli groups :p

maybe we have to go a lot of years back to Safari and Dunlop,or RAC?

dimviii

3rd July 2016, 09:58

delay of stage start

Mirek

3rd July 2016, 10:04

maybe we have to go a lot of years back to Safari and Dunlop,or RAC?

Thought also about Safari. Where is Jonkka? :)

dimviii

3rd July 2016, 10:06

stage live with 13min delay

dimviii

3rd July 2016, 10:16

Sordo stopped and start again

dimviii

3rd July 2016, 10:17

lolololol

Sun 11:20 - SS21 Chicane update
The earlier 'remove' decision has been reversed. There WILL be a chicane, but it will consist of just three straw bales in the road. A picture of the new chicane will be be shown to the drivers at the pre-stage regroup.

NoFear85

3rd July 2016, 10:25

sordo stopped again

Eric

3rd July 2016, 10:28

From bad to worse for Sordo this weekend. Don't think we will see him back on that second place overall this season..

GravelBen

3rd July 2016, 10:36

From bad to worse for Sordo this weekend. Don't think we will see him back on that second place overall this season..

I wouldn't be so melodramatic about him having one bad rally, he prefers tighter stages and tarmac and there is plenty of that still to come this year.

EstWRC

3rd July 2016, 10:37

noooooo, you damn weather, its gone :(

NoFear85

3rd July 2016, 10:37

Camilli went off after flying finnish, right rear damage

Eric

3rd July 2016, 10:37

Tanak 11 second behind Mikkelsen on second split...??

dimviii

3rd July 2016, 10:37

Sun 11:32 - SS20: Camilli
A decent time but he went off after the flying finish. Right rear damage.

Simmi

3rd July 2016, 10:39

Crazy to think that Ogier is heading for a 6th place finish this weekend.

The fact he probably won't overturn a 3.6 second deficit to Latvala from last night is interesting. He really does seem to have lost the killer instinct.