2016 BRC (British Rally Championship)

[Sulland]

What are the new tech regs and classes for the 2016 edition of BRC?

[Andre Oliveira]

BRC1: FIA R5, S2000, RRC, Group R4 (VR4). Example makes are Citroen, Ford, Peugeot, Skoda, Mitsubishi R4, Subaru R4

BRC RGT: An exciting class that is currently lead by the Porsche and the awesome sound that comes with it.

BRC2: his is for the current FIA Grp N class and for ASN homologation extended Grp N cars over 2000cc.

BRC Junior: For drivers under 26 years of age in R2 homologated cars, competing for a prize fund to assist the following year‘s campaign.

BRC3: FIA R3 cars that has been dominated by Citroen‘s DS3 in the past but which also includes the Toyota GT86 and Renault Clio.

BRC4: For competitors with R2 cars that aren’t eligible for BRC Junior, this is the home for them.

BRC5: The starting step for homologated rallying and the FIA R1 class of cars.

National: Open to all cars with a current MSA Rally Car Log Book. The same events as the BRC but no recce on the gravel rounds.

[Sulland]

I guess it is still an open series, so will these class regs bring back old glory to BRC, or will teams/drivers from abroad go for ERC or WRC2?
Travel costs are probably a bit less for a full season over on the "Island"?

[Simmi]

Really got my fingers crossed for the series. Time will tell if it can return to being a success but I'd say they at least have the building blocks in place now.


Right now in terms of top-class entries, from what I've seen we have (feel free to add):

Confirmed:
Dmack - Max Vatanen - Fiesta R5
Dmack - TBC British driver - Fiesta R5
Rhys Yates - Fiesta R5


Interested:
Jonny Greer - Citroen DS3 R5
Alex Laffey - Ford Fiesta R5

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Hopefully there will be some foreign entries with R5 cars ... many drivers/teams would surely like to come to drive the British stages after many years away ?

There must be many who have never tried these events and would like to see what they are like given their great history...

The Wales Rally GB has been resurrected by its move to North Wales and the running of those classic stages, so hopefully the BRC can be similarly revived by the change to 4WD cars again, (plus R-GTs) !

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Website for the 2016 BRC in development: http://msabrc.com/

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[Fast Eddie WRC]

Rhys Yates car for 2016 :cool:

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[Simmi]

Really hoping for some sort of dealer team involvement (e.g. Skoda UK/Peugeot UK) but not sure if it might be too much to ask in year one.

[Simmi]

And there will be some kind of dealer team involvement - albeit in the R2 class - with Vauxhall Motorsport.

Major Motorsport will run the Adam(s) on behalf of the factory. Nice little PR angle seeing the Vauxhall colours return. We already know that car is the real deal.

Elsewhere Euan Thornburn has said to Motorsport News he'll do the championship. If he can sell his S2000 he'll look to get an R5, otherwise he'll do it in his current Fiesta.

[Sulland]

Talking budget, how much will a guesstimate be for a full season for running a car in BRC 1 and for instance in BRC 4, if we compare with ERC?

[Arnold Triyudho Wardono]

How about the TV coverages..??
I hope they'll follow Special Stages style..

[Fast Eddie WRC]

How about the TV coverages..??
I hope they'll follow Special Stages style..

Good point. TV coverage is vital to get the BRC much needed publicity. 'Motors TV' will be better than nothing, but it could really do with a mainstream channel picking it up.
Sky Sports used to cover the BRC a few years back and so might show it again..

[AndyRAC]

ITV4, just like the BTCC would be the best option. However, would they want it - it would only get very small audiences. Even the WRC doesn't get great figures.

[Arnold Triyudho Wardono]

I need the example of BRC2 cars..!

[Simmi]

If anyone wants to be the new Vauxhall works driver in the UK here you go: http://www.vauxhallmotorsport.co.uk/#!driver-vacancy/c66t


It was interesting to hear BRC Manager Iain Campbell on the Absolute Rally show. Right now he's not able to put a rough number on entries for next year.

[Arnold Triyudho Wardono]

Regards other possible contenders certainly in R5 cars David Bogie and Stephen Petch would be likley candidates to step up from their regional programmes in Fiestas.
It could be easy for them (just change the rear wing & doing some tweaks). And I hope Petch would still able to upload his onboards on YT.

[Sulland]

Seems like the facebook page is more current than the webpage.
https://www.facebook.com/msabrc

[the sniper]

If anyone wants to be the new Vauxhall works driver in the UK here you go: http://www.vauxhallmotorsport.co.uk/#!driver-vacancy/c66t

Hopefully the BRC banner on there, which is taken from the BRC themselves, featuring the works 208 R5 is indicative of something... As I said earlier in the year, I really hope Peugeot UK fund an R5 BRC campaign for Ingram, but it's seemingly all gone a bit quiet on their front. I don't think he's even confirmed to be in an R5 208 for Rally GB yet?

Simpsons Skoda have also copied and pasted a couple of post from the official BRC page on Facebook, amongst a load of Fabia R5 stuff from ERC and WRC2. To answer my own question from the last BRC thread, according to the Simpsons Skoda homepage (who are a Skoda dealer) they're getting a R5 Fabia, though I have no idea how long ago they put this up:
Besides all this, Simpsons will shortly be the proud owners of the latest generation Fabia R5 Rally Cars direct from ŠKODA Motorsport. To keep up to date with the latest Simpsons ŠKODA Motorsport news, follow us on our Simpsons ŠKODA Motorsport Facebook page and Twitter for live rally updates!
(This is from near to the bottom of this page: http://www.simpsonsskoda.co.uk/.)

The BRC Facebook page/Motorsport News have confirmed that Bogie is indeed planning to do the championship.

[Simmi]

Hopefully the BRC banner on there, which is taken from the BRC themselves, featuring the works 208 R5 is indicative of something... As I said earlier in the year, I really hope Peugeot UK fund an R5 BRC campaign for Ingram, but it's seemingly all gone a bit quiet on their front. I don't think he's even confirmed to be in an R5 208 for Rally GB yet?

I think the use of the 208 is in hope rather than actually being a sign of anything. Like you I'd love to see those dealer teams getting involved. Maybe that's a bit much to ask for year one?

According to the Absolute Rally show as of this week Ingram was still working on a Rally GB deal. I thought he was supposed to be doing the Cambrian or a similar event in the car but I'm not sure that's happening either. I'd be interested to see who Dmack put in the Fiesta alongside Vatanen next year. I'd assume Tom Cave but not sure if they'll opt for a different Brit.

[Simmi]

For what it's worth Ingram just announced he's doing GB in a JWRC DS3. Maybe that gives a bit of insight into what he's planning for next year.

[Sulland]

I guess Spencer Sport plans to get some homologation on the Mirage R5. How many do they hope to sell?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

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[Andre Oliveira]

BRC will recover the status of most important national championship

[Brynmor Pierce]

My thoughts from the other week..

https://peakrevs.wordpress.com/2015/10/14/british-rally-championship-2016-you-really-need-to-be-there/

[AndyRAC]

BRC will recover the status of most important national championship

That's a bold statement - remains to be seen whether that will happen.

[Rally Power]

Hope MPart and Spencer Sport will manage to get MMC support over an FIA homologation for the R5 Mirage. They can have some problems to run the car under BRC1 class, as Mr. Wilson's already showing opposition to a eased up process from MSA.
http://digital.motorsportmonday.com//launch.aspx?eid=44ba7b36-5281-4254-a54e-56968db7bc3d (i136/p.93)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Hope MPart and Spencer Sport will manage to get MMC support over an FIA homologation for the R5 Mirage. They can have some problems to run the car under BRC1 class, as Mr. Wilson's already showing opposition to a eased up process from MSA.
http://digital.motorsportmonday.com//launch.aspx?eid=44ba7b36-5281-4254-a54e-56968db7bc3d (i136/p.93)

That would be great... the BRC needs all the R5 entries it can get and the Mitsu looks really good !

http://images.wrc.com/News/4049_R5-Rallyday-2014_001_896x504.jpg?

https://youtu.be/gcHGH-bct_4

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Moffett brothers commit to a joint BRC 2016 campaign ! :)

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[Fast Eddie WRC]

Even better news if true.. ! :D

BritishRallyC'ship Retweeted
@PaulWoodford84
Hearing reports of a manufacturer with a BIG rally heritage about to sign a deal for the @MSA_BRC. Hope it's true - F2 days all over again !?

[306 Cosworth]

Bogie will be in a Fabia R5. Also heard at GB that Toni Gardemeister is interested in running a 2 car team next season if he can find drivers willing to pay for it.

[Mirek]

Looks like BRC will be very good next year!

[Jack4688`]

Remains to be seen if the Jim Clark is still in the championship as the event will now be on gravel.

http://www.thesouthernreporter.co.uk/news/local-headlines/no-closed-roads-jim-clark-in-2016-1-3952537

[Rally Power]

Even better news if true.. ! :D

BritishRallyC'ship Retweeted
@PaulWoodford84
Hearing reports of a manufacturer with a BIG rally heritage about to sign a deal for the @MSA_BRC. Hope it's true - F2 days all over again !?

Peugeot with Ingram? (Or Citroen, as the young brit run a DS3 on Wales...)

Most probably all R5 manus will, sooner or later, get involved in this revived BRC. Great move from MSA!

[Sulland]

Hope MPart and Spencer Sport will manage to get MMC support over an FIA homologation for the R5 Mirage.

Why should Mitsubishi say no to homologation, what do they have to loose?
Everyone knows it is a private initiative, but so was MSport in the beginning.

[Mirek]

No, absolutely not. Only the true rally enthusiasts know that it is a private project. For at least 90% of the volks it's simply a Mitsubishi. If they don't believe that the car would be competitive it's logical that they chose not to support it. For manufacturers rallying is marketing and for good marketing You need good results. The other point is that novadays Mitsubishi presents itself as a kind of alternative brand more environmental friendly than the others. For this picture they don't need rallycars anymore. Sad that they decided to throw all the heritage away but it's like that.

[MrJan]

Peugeot with Ingram? (Or Citroen, as the young brit run a DS3 on Wales...)

Most probably all R5 manus will, sooner or later, get involved in this revived BRC. Great move from MSA!

Could be Peugeot, they used to have a kit car back in the F2 days. Suspect it could be Skoda though, they had the Felicia and seem to me the most likely to put in an entry.

It's interesting looking back at details of old championships, there's a lot of names that I remember from the past, and a few that are about in the present. For example the Formula Rally championship in 2001 had drivers like Mats Anderson and Martin Rowe (both were fixtures of the British championship back then) but also Guy Wilks and Kris Meeke.

[MrJan]

No, absolutely not. Only the true rally enthusiasts know that it is a private project. For at least 90% of the volks it's simply a Mitsubishi. If they don't believe that the car would be competitive it's logical that they chose not to support it. For manufacturers rallying is marketing and for good marketing You need good results. The other point is that novadays Mitsubishi presents itself as a kind of alternative brand more environmental friendly than the others. For this picture they don't need rallycars anymore. Sad that they decided to throw all the heritage away but it's like that.

I agree, it's not obvious to most people that's it's not a factory outfit. Perhaps the backing should come through Ralliart, I suspect that far fewer people associate that name with Mitsubishi so they could continue to appear alternative...although I suppose that they'd have nothing to gain from that unless they were producing sporty cars. Even Vauxhall have a hot hatch or two, so it makes sense to put at least some money into motorsport.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

BritishRallyC'ship Retweeted ‏@andrew_herny
Sounds a lot like Neil @SimpsonsSkoda is planning a return to the @MSA_BRC with the new Fabia R5 !

...Neil Simpson debuted his Skoda Fabia R5 earlier in November, setting the fastest stage time on the opening stages. On a later stage a stone thrown up by a slower car pierced a small hole in the radiator, causing the engine temperature to rise. The engine is now going back to Skoda Motorsport to ensure that no lasting damage has been done before the car is back out on the stages for its next outing. Simpsons Skoda had 70 guests at the event to introduce rallying and promote their product...

[Simmi]

Forgive me for a dream scenario but if Hyundai are looking to run their R5 somewhere outside of WRC next year they could do a lot worse than the BRC for a few rounds. That would be a thing of beauty if it happened - although it's complete wishful thinking.

[AndyRAC]

If Hyundai UK are that way inclined - and depending on the TV deal/ media package, then why not? But, it's a HUGE if.

[Simmi]

Tom Cave confirms he's looking to pull together budget to do the BRC next year in an R5. Says on Twitter's he'll be at round one at the least.

He'd be a great asset to the series. Was sad to see he had to cut his Wales GB event short.

[Rally Power]

The other point is that novadays Mitsubishi presents itself as a kind of alternative brand more environmental friendly than the others. For this picture they don't need rallycars anymore.

This may really be the case. Since 2008 financial troubles, MMC adopted a "politically correct" environmental posture, throwing away decades of prestigious motorsport heritage.

It's hard to see MMC turning their back on thousands of rally costumers that uses Evo's in almost every local rally series around the world. The Evo was the 90's and 00's Escort, and Mitsubishi should recognize the relevance of the Evo brand.

It's true that they've managed to get finances in order with the current strategy, but they risk to be irrelevant niche players in the global car market (the range almost resumes to midget cars and 4x4 suv's) and become an easy prey for the auto industry sharks.

[Simmi]

Seems to be some big BRC news coming tomorrow. Lots of people very excited including the series organisers.

Hope the momentum picks up and continues to keep rolling ahead of round 1.

[EightGear]

Evans?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Look out tomorrow morning for a BIG announcement from BRC...

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[Allyc85]

Skoda works assisted team with Steve Simpson and David Bogie.

[Simmi]

Early copy of Motorsport News says it's a calendar change - with the Manx and Nicky Grist Stages coming in - and the Jim Clark and Granite City going out for a variety of reasons.

Hoping there's more news coming as that's been massively overhyped if that's all it is.

[Rally Power]

Tuthill with 2 Cayman GT4 Clubsport RGT!!! (kidding)

Abbring in the new i20 R5!!! (not kidding)

Anyway, Skoda, Ford, Peugeot, Citroen, Subaru, Vauxhall, Proton...and hope Tuthill, they'll all be there using R5, N4, R2, R3, S2000 and RGT top machines. No doubt this revamp BRC will be the series to watch in 2016, and that's great news for global rallying.

Iconic rally nations must lead the sport with strong national champs (hope France and Italy will do it too, soon) and this BRC layout, with rational regs, a balanced calendar and, hopefully, a proper promotion, will probably became the standard for national series around the world.

Looking forward to it!

[Simmi]

So much potential - but it needs more people to start confirming their entries.

[EightGear]

So they were hyping the s*** out of some news to be announced today and it really turned out to be just a calendar change, lol.

[AndyRAC]

I think the inclusion of the Nicky Grist (Quinton) Stages is very good, as is the mixture of gravel & Tarmac. I can inderstand them wanting to hype the news but I'm not sure it helps. I did see a comment on twitter from Henry Hope-Frost and hoping for 'Fever'....not sure this announcement is.

Now we need a decent promotional push - and decent TV highlights.

[the sniper]

While over hyped, I've got to say that I do prefer this new calendar!

[MrJan]

A mixed surface event, accessible(ish) to those of us in the South as well is a great addition. Probably a bit overhyped, but does mean a proper rally and brings the championship to a few more people.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Can't believe the new calender was the 'massive news'...

We need to get details of the 'company with a big rally history' that is promised and then some team/drivers to get real excitement. .

[Simmi]

Would just add my general disappointment - not in the news that was announced - but just the way it was implied it was something more. Really a massive amount of hype to say they've slightly improved the calendar. That will all be for nothing if there are no entries. Maybe that was the reason for going clearly overboard.

Nice bit of PR though to encounter forced late calendar changes and make them into a positive - which to be fair they absolutely are. I think the balance is perfect and the Scottish bias has gone now. It's a real British Championship. Just needs some entries.

Hopefully fresh off his Billy Coleman award win Rob Duggan will choose to spend that money on a BRC programme.

[Rally Power]

A bit hilarious, all the fuss about the new calendar...I imagine they'll try to make Earth stop rotating when manus entry announcement takes place...

Anyway, this revised calendar is even better than the original. Hard to be more balanced: 3 gravel, 3 tarmac, 1 mixed!

And Manx engagement it's simply great. A true british and world rally heritage area. So now there're 3 iconic events (Circuit, Scottish, Manx), 2 classics (Ulster, Pirelli) and 2 less known events (Mid Wales and NG Stages).

On NG Stages it's been said that it'll try to recreate former Wales International route (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVSIzJqG4-E). What about Mid Wales? Any distinctive feature?

[AndyRAC]

I think the Mid Wales would use Hafren, Myherin (including Pikes Peak), Sweetlamb. I suppose Dyfnant is possible if they need the mileage. Having been on the website, the event starts with 2 night time stages on Saturday evening - sounds pretty good to me.

[Mintexmemory]

Garth and Dyfi are nearer than Dyfnant

[AndyRAC]

It was the first stage that came to mind that is reasonably close....

[Allyc85]

Looks like trips to the Mid Wales and Nicky Grist Stages for me next year. Just waiting to see who actually enters now, I hope it doesn't become too much of a Fiesta R5 fest..

[Rally Power]

Probably major entries will only be reveled at Autosport racing car show. But there're already plenty of indications for a top level field.

[Rally Power]

It'll be hard to see any RRC car on '16 BRC:

@MNRally RRC is eligible in BRC with the 28mm restrictor as per FIA 2016 regulations.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

It'll be hard to see any RRC car on '16 BRC:

@MNRally RRC is eligible in BRC with the 28mm restrictor as per FIA 2016 regulations.

That's why the Moffett brother's are going to do the BRC.

[PLuto]

That's why the Moffett brother's are going to do the BRC.

Moffetts are selling their RRC cars and wants to buy R5

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Moffetts are selling their RRC cars and wants to buy R5

They were selling their WRC cars last I heard...

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[EightGear]

They were selling their WRC cars last I heard...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CUEqRP5XIAIsomZ.png:large
Same thing, RRC and WRC.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Why would they swap to an R5 when their RRC Fiesta is eligible ?

[EightGear]

Why would they swap to an R5 when their RRC Fiesta is eligible ?
The reduced restrictor size may be a factor.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

I suppose the WRC/RRC car will sell for a decent price and they can buy a newer R5 cheaper ...

[Sulland]

So how does the list of competitors in the different classes look so far?

[Simmi]

Why would they swap to an R5 when their RRC Fiesta is eligible ?

RRCs won't be competitive anywhere with the new restrictor. The FIA wants that class of car to die. They just need to find people to sell them to.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Some 'mega' BRC news to be revealed tomorrow in Motorsport News...

[the sniper]

Looks like it'll be worth reading MN tomorrow then, with both big BRC and Kris Meeke news. I wonder if the two are connected...?

[Jack4688`]

Will it be as 'mega' as the other story they overhyped the other week? I think so

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Clue given indicates it's nust confirmation of Michelin as tyre suppliers...

[EightGear]

Clue given indicates it's nust confirmation of Michelin as tyre suppliers...
Well, that will stop the world from spinning for sure..

[b3637853]

Can somoeone confirm if this is the big news?

[tommeke_B]

http://www.m-sport.co.uk/m-sport-news/fiesta-r2/dmack-partners-junior-british-rally-championship-to-create-young-driver-pathway-to-wrc This is probably the "big" news. DMack monopoly for tyres for junior BRC. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing, since their tyres should be cheaper than Michelin/Pirelli and it creates a more equal competition for all drivers. Winner of junior BRC can drive WRC2 with a Fiesta R5 with DMack in 2017.

[b3637853]

http://www.m-sport.co.uk/m-sport-news/fiesta-r2/dmack-partners-junior-british-rally-championship-to-create-young-driver-pathway-to-wrc This is probably the "big" news. DMack monopoly for tyres for junior BRC. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing, since their tyres should be cheaper than Michelin/Pirelli and it creates a more equal competition for all drivers. Winner of junior BRC can drive WRC2 with a Fiesta R5 with DMack in 2017.

This is very good news and it is nice that DMack supports young drivers and creates a path for them to reach WRC drives. It should help BRC to be more important national championship.

[Simmi]

http://www.m-sport.co.uk/m-sport-news/fiesta-r2/dmack-partners-junior-british-rally-championship-to-create-young-driver-pathway-to-wrc This is probably the "big" news. DMack monopoly for tyres for junior BRC. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing, since their tyres should be cheaper than Michelin/Pirelli and it creates a more equal competition for all drivers. Winner of junior BRC can drive WRC2 with a Fiesta R5 with DMack in 2017.

Had to do a double take then when I saw the prize. That's not actually the prize Tom - it's a largely paid for drive in the Dmack Trophy in the WRC. And as we've seen if you win that on the world stage you get the WRC2 drive.

Fair play to Dmack there is a complete ladder now, starting in the UK, to get up to WRC2 - and then a WRC car I guess if you really impress. I think on the whole it's good news. Any potential Junior drivers who had backing or deals with other tyre manufacturers are out of luck.

[makinen_fan]

http://www.m-sport.co.uk/m-sport-news/fiesta-r2/dmack-partners-junior-british-rally-championship-to-create-young-driver-pathway-to-wrc This is probably the "big" news. DMack monopoly for tyres for junior BRC. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing, since their tyres should be cheaper than Michelin/Pirelli and it creates a more equal competition for all drivers. Winner of junior BRC can drive WRC2 with a Fiesta R5 with DMack in 2017.

The price is an entry in the Dmack Fiesta trophy in 2017, not WRC2.

DMACK Junior BRC category and the offer of a subsidised prize drive in the 2017 Drive DMACK Fiesta Trophy, worth £60,000, for the winning driver.

[tommeke_B]

The price is an entry in the Dmack Fiesta trophy in 2017, not WRC2.

DMACK Junior BRC category and the offer of a subsidised prize drive in the 2017 Drive DMACK Fiesta Trophy, worth £60,000, for the winning driver.

You're right, my bad. Still a nice prize to win. Let's hope it's not some driver like Tom Cave (all respect for him) who already took his chance on a higher level.

[millbrook]

It will not be Cave anyway, as he will enter a Fiesta R5 in next year's BRC


You're right, my bad. Still a nice prize to win. Let's hope it's not some driver like Tom Cave (all respect for him) who already took his chance on a higher level.

[Jack4688`]

Let's hope the BRC, along with their partner in crime Motorsport News, don't snooker themselves with constant overhyping of bits of news. These last two were at least something important, but let's face it they're trying too hard to put way more stock into what these 'news exclusives' actually are.

Promote themselves right and they'll do well. Over-egg everything they've got and people will get fed up and they'll lose respect. I wonder what lengths they'll actually go to when they really do have some big news!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Asphalt Championship regular John Indri has replaced his Subaru S11, MC54 WRC, with the new improved Fiesta R5... hopefully meaning an entry in the BRC !

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CW7OPiZWMAIpBHW.png

[Andre Oliveira]

Chassis 76 ex 2C Competition. Only used in tests

[Allyc85]

Damian Cole is also meant to be entering a Fiesta S2000.

[Simmi]

Motorsport News saying there is the possibility that Elfyn Evans will do some BRC rounds in a Fiesta R5 next year in addition to some WRC2 outings and likely some other rounds back in a WRC car.

Obviously not a confirmation but that would be a nice boost for the BRC.


Elsewhere Hugh Hunter is planning to do the BRC in a Fiesta R5 (car bought - not all funding in place). Meirion Evans confirmed as doing Junior BRC in a Fiesta R2T.

[AndyRAC]

Hopefully the TV/ media coverage will be announced sooner rather than later. On Absolute Rally they said that a deal with a 'mainstream' station was quite close. Would be great if true. The BRC needs lots of promotion if it is to succeed.

[Sulland]

How many Mitsubishi Mirage R5 will we see in BRC in 16?

[Simmi]

Historics driver Tomas Davies has bought a Fiesta R5 and will do most of the BRC it looks like. Seems like Neil Simpson will announce a BRC programme in his Fabia R5 at the Autosport Show. We should also find out the second Dmack driver in a week.

[Allyc85]

How many Mitsubishi Mirage R5 will we see in BRC in 16?

Pretty sure I read that the Mirage won't be granted national homologation. I know M-sport were far from happy about the idea of it being able to compete.

[Sulland]

Pretty sure I read that the Mirage won't be granted national homologation. I know M-sport were far from happy about the idea of it being able to compete.

Understandable, but still, they should have no say in the matter!

And here it is stated that is has national homologation according to the map:
http://www.mitsubishir5.com/eligibility.html

[Mad cat jnr]

It can run on National events, but the BRC regs state cars must be Homologated.

[Simmi]

I guess could it run later on in the national section of the BRC - but not be eligible to win any top prizes? But that kind of defeats the point of it I guess.

[Jack4688`]

Unless it's to get mileage/experience before the car is homologated later in the year. Not that anyone can afford that sort of thing in motorsport these days...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

BRC 2016 promo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJG0yYz-0Yw

[MrJan]

That clip of Colin in the Legacy looks speeded up :mark:

The main thing I thought though was how good the Pilot Sport and Megane liveries looked :D

[Jack4688`]

That clip of Colin in the Legacy looks speeded up :mark:

No, I think he was just that fast :D Alright some credit goes to the car too...

[BMV]

Why would they swap to an R5 when their RRC Fiesta is eligible ?

A bit of a late reply, but RRC cars are not eligible to score points in the Irish Tarmac Championship this year

[Fast Eddie WRC]

MNRally: 'Two massive announcements coming in tomorrow's paper, it's one any British rally fan really shouldn't be missing.'

Let's see how massive this time ..

[EightGear]

Probably the colour of the taping at spectator areas.

[HaCo]

Still, I'm curious

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[PLuto]

New Fabia R5 for BRC - Desi Henry

https://scontent-cdg2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/12540957_10154573550882627_2705424478099911329_n.j pg?oh=e87d97d0707d28fb5df9dbcb402522db&oe=57044DFC

[makinen_fan]

Elfyn Evans and Max Vatanen will do the championship with DMack team.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CYlYSioWwAA9A2x.jpg

[Simmi]

Great news for the series. Evans will be the benchmark for everyone. Certainly a statement if anyone can consistently beat him in equal machinery.

This does make me think those reports about him doing all WRC rounds (7x WRC, 7x WRC2) are bogus.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Seems a lot of events for Evans but he seemed keen to get back in a WRC car so he will maybe fit all the rounds in somehow...

Good for the BRC having him involved though.

[the sniper]

MNRally: 'Two massive announcements coming in tomorrow's paper, it's one any British rally fan really shouldn't be missing.'

What was the other massive announcement?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

What was the other massive announcement?

This presumably:

Motorsport News, DMACK, M-Sport create new British Rally award

http://beta.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/122459/mn-creates-new-rally-award-for-brc

[Fast Eddie WRC]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CYl5LL1WAAAxyO4.png:large

[Sulland]

Sindre Furuseth will do the DMack Junior BRC series in his Renault Twingo R2.
Nose End First :-)

[Arnold Triyudho Wardono]

CS-R3 to make an appearance in Mid-Wales rally.

[tommeke_B]

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Yesterday there was the official announcement Neil Simpson will do the BRC with his Fabia R5, on Pirelli tyres.

[Fly]

Mattias Adielsson:

Nu är det officiellt!! ���� jag är nu fabriksförare för ‪#‎VauxhallMotorsportJuniorRallyteam‬ och kommer köra Brittiska mästerskapet med en Vauxhall Adam R2! Längtar redan tills jag sitter i bilen igen!
Now it's official, I'm one of two factory drivers for Vauxhall Motorsport Junior Team and will be attending British championship 2016!! Longing to be in the car again��

[makinen_fan]

Video from Autosport International with interviews about the BRC

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MAZBU3DiUo

[Fast Eddie WRC]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CYw1zPbWkAA5oCs.jpg:large

[Fast Eddie WRC]

CS-R3 to make an appearance in Mid-Wales rally.

RWD is back !! :D

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CYwTOeYWsAAzh6P.jpg:large

[Jack4688`]

Video from Autosport International with interviews about the BRC

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MAZBU3DiUo

Why does Elfyn Evans have to start EVERY sentence with "Yeahforsure Imean ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh"

[Jack4688`]

RWD is back !! :D

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CYwTOeYWsAAzh6P.jpg:large

At the moment all we know is "selected events" next year. I hope we see it on all of them!

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/122483

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Simpson Skoda R5 confirmed for full season :)

http://www.msabrc.com/simpson-to-tackle-brc-in-skoda-uk-supported-fabia-r5/

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Check out the RWD action that the @MSA_BRC has to look forward to at Round 1
https://t.co/RrSdnwuyNg

[MrJan]

Why does Elfyn Evans have to start EVERY sentence with "Yeahforsure Imean ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh"

Obivously taking after Loeb :D

[Micke_VOC]

Robert Blomberg from Sweden have bought a Mirage R5 and are planning to drive BRC.

[the sniper]

I wonder if (UK) Channel 5 will be interested in broadcasting the BRC given that they'll be showing the WRC this year?

[Jack4688`]

Obivously taking after Loeb :D

I think Evans suffers from 21st century racing driver syndrome, with a hint of footballer syndrome. That's a big part of why I liked McRae and Burns in their prime - they just spoke, usually whatever was on their mind, though Burns tended to be a bit more pragmatic. Evans has the aforementioned afflictions while Meeke seems to be trying to come up with a soundbite all the time.

[Allyc85]

Yay, another Fiesta.

[Simmi]

Chris Harris will drive the Toyota on the opening round - http://www.toyota-motorsport.com/motorsport/en/11-english-categories/news/298-cs-r3-to-star-in-brc-opener

Potential tie-in with Top Gear? Good publicity for the series.

Quite skeptical on how many rounds we'll actually see this car in 2016.

[Allyc85]

Ollie Mellors is entering his Proton Satria S2000.

[Andre Oliveira]

Jamie Anderson has swapped his Lancer WRC for a BRC campaign in a Fiesta R5

Ex Jan Sýkora

[Arnold Triyudho Wardono]

Rumoured: Skoda Fabia R5 Estate in BRC this year?
From BRC FB page..

[Jack4688`]

They prefaced it with silly season continues, so perhaps not. I guess they found an image online that would help with the latest 'big news' that they're going to over-hype

[Fast Eddie WRC]

They are outdoing themselves this time with ' 4 big announcements in the next 24 hours' ...

[Simmi]

Looks like Euan Thorburn is going to announce a programme in Motorsport News. He'd be a quality addition to the series.


EDIT: And the first announcement is Tom Cave for all the rounds. Very good news - http://www.msabrc.com/magnificent-seven-for-tom-cave/

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Latest list of the speculated, confirmed and possible entries for 2016.

BRC1

DMack

Max Vatanen – Ford Fiesta R5 – Confirmed
Elfyn Evans – Ford Fiesta R5 – Confirmed

Comblift Rallying

Josh Moffett – Fiesta R5 (Confirmed)
Sam Moffett – Fiesta R5 (Confirmed)

Individual entries

Neil Simpson – Skoda Fabia (Confirmed)
Rhys Yates – Fiesta R5 (Confirmed)
David Bogie – Fabia R5? (unconfirmed)
Damian Cole – Ford Fiesta S2000 (Confirmed)
Hugh Hunter – Ford Fiesta R5 (Confirmed)
Tomas Davies – Ford Fiesta R5 (Confirmed)
Jonny Greer – Citroen DS3 (unconfirmed)
John Indri – Ford Fiesta R5 (Unconfirmed)
Desi Henry – Skoda Fabia R5 (Confirmed)
Ollie Mellors – Proton S2000 (Confirmed)
Jamie Anderson – Ford Fiesta R5 (Unconfirmed)
Tom Cave – Ford Fiesta R5 (Confirmed)

[Simmi]

Unless it was you who made the list then give the person who did some credit: http://www.wetheterrors.com/brc-2016-entry/

[Arnold Triyudho Wardono]

I wonder if Max & Elfyn will rallying with their fathers throwback liveries in some events..?

[MrJan]

Would really help the series get back on its feet if that list is near the truth. I know they're overdoing the hype a bit, but they need to drum up support for the 're-release' of the BRC, fingers crossed it will get back towards where it used to be.

[Simmi]

Would really help the series get back on its feet if that list is near the truth. I know they're overdoing the hype a bit, but they need to drum up support for the 're-release' of the BRC, fingers crossed it will get back towards where it used to be.

That's a credible list. All people who have either confirmed, bought R5 cars or who expressed interest in running the series. A slight bit of over-hyping aside you can't deny they've done a great job in creating a buzz about the BRC that just hasn't been there in well over a decade.

Looks like there is more to come too in terms of announcements.

[Simmi]

BRC stories today are the TV package - which will be highlights on Channel 4 and BT Sport.

Euan Thorburn confirmed for the season in a Peugeot 208 R5
Jamie Anderson confirmed for the season in a Fiesta R5. Will try to upgrade to the Evo.

[AndyRAC]

Seems to be lots of positives, which can only be good. I'm more pleased about the Ch4 coverage than BTSport, who seem to use rallying as 'filler'.
Now they have to promote the fact there is FTA coverage; interest in the sport has dropped alarmingly in the last 10+ years.
Bring on the Mid Wales stages......

[HaCo]

I am looking forward to this championship. I just hope they have some coverage on YouTube or other internet channel.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

BRC tv deal done with Channel 4.

Euan Thorburn to enter in a Peugeot 208 T16.

[noel157]

Great news about the championship but FFS, MN sucking the blood out of it all. Every minute a stupid tweet, big news, all will be revealed, guess who is entering.....Time to unfollow them, used to a highly thought of publication, gone to hell with all this nonsense.

A tweet a minute..

http://i.imgur.com/Uzfg19b.jpg

[MrJan]

Seems to be lots of positives, which can only be good. I'm more pleased about the Ch4 coverage than BTSport, who seem to use rallying as 'filler'.

The problem being that it'll be tucked away in the Saturday morning schedule, usually around 7:30. At least BT might be showing it at a proper time of day...although I won't hold my breath.

Anderson now confirmed too, he's impressed me in that aging Evo (which was a pup when it was new) against more modern machinery, will be interesting to see how he goes with something a bit closer to what his competitors are driving.

Looking forward to the championship now, think that they're heading the right direction with the regs and attracting some decent names from the national championships. Far better than the mockery it had become a few years ago...well, pretty much since they went to Group N regs.

[Jack4688`]

Great news about the championship but FFS, MN sucking the blood out of it all. Every minute a stupid tweet, big news, all will be revealed, guess who is entering.....Time to unfollow them, used to a highly thought of publication, gone to hell with all this nonsense.

A tweet a minute..

http://i.imgur.com/Uzfg19b.jpg

Motorsport News was one of the first things I followed when I started using twitter properly, instead of just using it to complain to my utilities providers :D, I've unfollowed them for a while since. Unfortunately this sort of media outlet is where a great deal of new and young support could be drummed up from, but they're making a hash of it - and by that I mean the BRC-MN alliance that tweets a billion things a day and retweets each other's insignificant 'news'.

However, on the news itself, Channel 4 seems like a good result. They've taken up F1 from BBC from this year so maybe they're dead serious about motorsport and their BRC coverage will be at a sociable hour and within 24 hrs of the rally finish (I hope). It also struck me reading Motorsport News this aft just how many stories were about someone confirming a full season in an R5 car which can only be good news. It might be Fiesta-heavy but at least there's two Skodas and a Peugeot and even still a S2000 screamer!

[MrJan]

They've taken up F1 from BBC from this year so maybe they're dead serious about motorsport and their BRC coverage will be at a sociable hour and within 24 hrs of the rally finish (I hope).

Unlikely, it said in the article on the BRC site "each BRC round will enjoy a half- hour slot on Channel 4 as part of the channel’s weekend morning sports programming". So that means in with the racing, TransWorld Sport, British GTs and whatever else they show before 8am on a Saturday. Effectively it's in the same slot it used to have, which will be fine if it means that the production is put together well. One of the things I hate about even the WRC rushing to get highlights out quickly is that everything's rushed and ends up suffering.

[Jack4688`]

I didn't notice it mention the word "morning" :( That's crap, I'll just keep logging in to my Dad's BTSport account to watch it online like I do with WRC :D

[Fast Eddie WRC]

On Ch4 it's not on in a good time-slot, so it wont attract the average viewer that could come across it accidentally. Therefore little chance of creating some new rally fans then. :(

But at least its on somewhere and most of us have the facility to record it and watch when we want to... :)

The BT deal sounds much better: 'BT Sport viewers will be treated to an extended 60-minute programme with added coverage of the DMACK Junior BRC title battle.' :D

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Marty McCormack is the latest man to sign up for the BRC... looks like he's swapped his Skoda S2000 for a Fiesta R5.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZ-LuWdXEAAdgtD.jpg:large

Marty McCormack ‏@martymccormack
We're going to tackle the @MSA_BRC in two TigerRisk cars with @SlaughterRally

[Jack4688`]

Good to see him in an R5 in the BRC. When he won that 2WD trophy or whatever it was the last year that 4WD cars were allowed to win the title I was very impressed with him and thought it was a shame he didn't really seem to get the break he deserved after that.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

McCormack is a great addition to the BRC and I think he could do really well. His experience on the RAC Rally (Historic) should stand him in good stead on some of the BRC stages.

[Simmi]

That's a two-car team from Tiger Risk so great news all round. Another quality driver in McCormack.

[MrJan]

McCormack is a great addition to the BRC and I think he could do really well. His experience on the RAC Rally (Historic) should stand him in good stead on some of the BRC stages.

Yeah he's a quick driver, remember seeing him on the RAC about 5 years ago and his pace was outstanding. Strong looking championship so far, looks like they've pitched the regs right to get decent entries again

[John Williams]

Marty will still be using his Fabia. Should be right up there at the sharp end.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Marty will still be using his Fabia. Should be right up there at the sharp end.

Correct. James Slaughter has the Fiesta R5 for the BRC...

http://www.kentonline.co.uk/maidstone/sport/slaughter-seals-british-rally-championship-70111/

[Rally Power]

Great top field! Just hope Evans won't be too strong for the competition...

Any news on Bogie plans? And Tuthill 911's?

[Allyc85]

Current Mid Wales entry list shows a bit of a Fiesta-fest

https://www.rallies.info/webentry/2016/midwalesnata/entries.php?type=u

[MrJan]

Good entry already though, even if they are all in the same car! Takes me back to the mid-90s when every man and his dog drove a Cossie :D

[Jack4688`]

Let's hope in time a bit more variety comes in, after all the Skoda R5 is certainly competitive enough

[mousti]

Ahlin will do now too BRC full season with a Fiesta R5 from CA1. How crazy is this championship :p

[Mirek]

Some thought it was a good idea to go for a cheap 2WD championship :)

[Jack4688`]

Yeah, those bunch of twerps who were in control before MSA took over. Just shows how little idea they had of what they were doing!

[Simmi]

Two-car team for Spencer Sport in the Mirages at round one - although as predicted they will have to run in the national series as they still chase that (futile?) global homologation.

Osian Pryce and Jamie Jukes will drive. Not sure if they will do a full season programme. They can't reccy the stages and make their own notes in the national section which makes it more of a challenge.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

MSABRC.com "The Spencer Sport team is confident that with a strong line-up in both series, it can challenge for podium positions and outright wins, as well as the MSA British Rally Championship title."

Ambitious ! :D

[makinen_fan]

I think that refers to Tom Cave with the Fiesta EVO. He should be one of the favourites for the title.
The Mirages wouldn't be eligible for the title anyway

[Simmi]

Any forumers going to round one in Mid-Wales?

I'm heading to the Circuit of Ireland already but seriously considering getting down to Wales for the Sunday action.

[Allyc85]

Yep, me and a couple others are meeting up. Really looking forward to the night stage more than anything!

[MrJan]

Will probably head up but haven't really looked at itinerary or anything, so depends on what's involved. It's probably a solid 3 hour drive for me sadly.

[Tom206wrc]

Let's hope in time a bit more variety comes in, after all the Skoda R5 is certainly competitive enough


And don't forget Euan Thorburn in his 208 T16 ;)

[Allyc85]

Will probably head up but haven't really looked at itinerary or anything, so depends on what's involved. It's probably a solid 3 hour drive for me sadly.

Well I'm traveling up with Chris Chapman and we are staying at a bunkhouse which is £19 for the night. You can come up with us if you like?

[MrJan]

Well I'm traveling up with Chris Chapman and we are staying at a bunkhouse which is £19 for the night. You can come up with us if you like?

Holy crap that's cheap, what time you planning on leaving?

[Allyc85]

I haven't seen a timetable yet, but I'm guessing it will be late lunch time, I cant imagine the 2 night stages being run that late at night.

[the sniper]

The itinerary is here: http://www.ewrc-results.com/harmonogram.php?e=27434&t=Mid-Wales-Stages-2016

I'll be there, though I'm not sure which stages I'll do yet. I'll also hope to do the Scottish again this year. I last did it in 2014. The stages were very nice, but the BRC really was dead on its arse then. The Scottish Championship was the main attraction!

[MrJan]

Entry list going from strength to strength...still a bit Ford biased but that's to be expected I think.

Not sure if I fancy the night stage or not, will have to think about it.

[AndyRAC]

70 miles for an International event? Is that enough?

Anyway, I'm looking forward to it - but I'm wondering about the speccy info. The 2 stages on the Saturday night are repeated on Sunday - are they going to let people stay overnight? One hopes they will. Otherwise it's a lay-by on the A44 for the night.

[EightGear]

So that iternary is real? I honestly thought 1 day was missing.
6 stages and just over 100 km of stages..

[the sniper]

So that iternary is real? I honestly thought 1 day was missing.
6 stages and just over 100 km of stages..

Well I did wonder as I haven't seen it anywhere else, but it seems a bit of a weirdly realistic/unimaginative itinerary to make up if it isn't genuine. It's certainly not just a copy of last year's, as by comparison this is a 40km longer endurance event... :D

Sadly by modern UK gravel rally standards 110km isn't that short... All the BTRDA rallies last year were around 70km. Towards the end of the old BRC the Scottish Rally was 94km in 2014. Rally Yorkshire was 96km in 2013, with the other two gravel rounds being around 120km. Ewrc have also got distances, but not itineraries, for the rest of the BRC season: http://www.ewrc-results.com/season.php?s=2016&nat=2 No idea how or if they're real, but according to them the Pirelli will be 120km, Scottish 104km and Nicky Grist 160km including Epynt... The tarmac rallies are all over 200km though.

Hopefully we'll see longer rallies in future. For a start I'd merge the two Welsh rallies. Joined by 200km (Perth based) Scottish, Pirelli and Yorkshire Rallies and you've got yourself a proper Championship! ;)

[MrJan]

70 miles for an International event? Is that enough?

It's short, but WRC events aren't exactly an endurance. It all comes down to what forests are available and how much it costs these days...and that's without taking into account the increasing safety. From next season I've heard that rally marshals in the UK need to have done a training course, which will massively reduce the number of people that volunteer IMO. I'm bracing myself to get used to seeing not just short rallies but also cancelled rallies.

[Sulland]

Two-car team for Spencer Sport in the Mirages at round one - although as predicted they will have to run in the national series as they still chase that (futile?) global homologation.

Osian Pryce and Jamie Jukes will drive. Not sure if they will do a full season programme. They can't reccy the stages and make their own notes in the national section which makes it more of a challenge.

I think it is strange that M Sport are putting up a fight against a small team like Spencer. According to the rules there is quite a difference in preparation possibilities btw the national series and championship series.

I like Mr Wilson, but I think he got a better deal when he started his team, and should give Spencer a possibility to run among the big boys. They are miles ahead anyway, but they need to start somewhere, and this only makes it harder for the drivers, and a more boring series for us.

Many loves an underdog, and you were there once Mr Wilson....

[TWRC]

I think it is strange that M Sport are putting up a fight against a small team like Spencer. According to the rules there is quite a difference in preparation possibilities btw the national series and championship series.

I like Mr Wilson, but I think he got a better deal when he started his team, and should give Spencer a possibility to run among the big boys. They are miles ahead anyway, but they need to start somewhere, and this only makes it harder for the drivers, and a more boring series for us.

Many loves an underdog, and you were there once Mr Wilson....
I guess he wants every penny he can get out of every deal. The car is a perfect rival to the Fiesta in two segments: the young guys who just stepped up from 2WD and/or less wealthy teams. They might have opted for a Mirage, it's R5, cheaper than every other car in the category, it might have some potential on certain rounds, and it's great for getting 4WD experience or to just drive around.

[Simmi]

I think it is strange that M Sport are putting up a fight against a small team like Spencer. According to the rules there is quite a difference in preparation possibilities btw the national series and championship series.

I like Mr Wilson, but I think he got a better deal when he started his team, and should give Spencer a possibility to run among the big boys. They are miles ahead anyway, but they need to start somewhere, and this only makes it harder for the drivers, and a more boring series for us.

Many loves an underdog, and you were there once Mr Wilson....

I kind of agree. But if the car fitted in with the rules and had all the support/paperwork behind it then there would be nothing Malcolm or anyone else could do. Until it has that then it's always going to have that asterisk next to it.

[tolis]

David Bogie in a Skoda Fabia R5!!!
http://www.msabrc.com/david-bogie-brings-fabia-skoda-r5-to-the-brc/

[tommeke_B]

The entry list will be great, but the itinerary is a joke... I considered doing a BRC event, but I quickly changed my mind. Let's hope that's not how it's going to be all year long...

[MrJan]

The entry list will be great, but the itinerary is a joke... I considered doing a BRC event, but I quickly changed my mind. Let's hope that's not how it's going to be all year long...

Don't hold your breath, it's a sign of the times in British stage rallying sadly.

[AndyRAC]

The entry list will be great, but the itinerary is a joke... I considered doing a BRC event, but I quickly changed my mind. Let's hope that's not how it's going to be all year long...

As Jan says above, I'm afraid that is probably how other BRC events will be run.
It would be nice to see Friday evening starts, then a long day on Saturday, followed by a Sunday lunch time finish. But that's fantasy world.

At at the moment, the BRC can't compete against BTCC, BSB, British GT, etc were speccies can make a weekend of it camping.

[MrJan]

I'm probably repeating myself but the biggest problem is finding enough miles on enough different roads at a price that suits. They will already be using stages twice and the competitors are probably already complaining about cost, big mileage events simply aren't viable in the UK anymore without some serious investment. Not only that but getting enough people to marshal the miles is tricky, and will only get worse next season when all rally marshals need to pass a test and have a license to marshal.

[MrJan]

Well I'm traveling up with Chris Chapman and we are staying at a bunkhouse which is £19 for the night. You can come up with us if you like?

Just realised that I've conveniently booked the Monday off work so reckon I'll head up myself and then stay overnight in Merthyr on Sunday and hit Bike Park Wales on the way back...unless you two are up for that too?

[306 Cosworth]

The entry list will be great, but the itinerary is a joke... I considered doing a BRC event, but I quickly changed my mind. Let's hope that's not how it's going to be all year long...

Why is it a joke? If there's any BRC event you should do then it's the Manx in September. Starts Thursday night and finishes Saturday afternoon.

[EightGear]

Cronin and Greer confirmed with a DS3 R5.

Entries are really crazy, though they might want to change the name to the British Rallysprint Championship.

[Allyc85]

Just realised that I've conveniently booked the Monday off work so reckon I'll head up myself and then stay overnight in Merthyr on Sunday and hit Bike Park Wales on the way back...unless you two are up for that too?

I would love to, but I've already paid for Saturday night, and the car is back in it's second home at the garage having a clutch issue looked at, so can't afford another night :(

[Nornbugger]

The entry list will be great, but the itinerary is a joke... I considered doing a BRC event, but I quickly changed my mind. Let's hope that's not how it's going to be all year long...

Come to the Circuit of Ireland, 2 days of rallying and 3 championships meeting, it's going to be wonderful!

[mousti]

Come to the Circuit of Ireland, 2 days of rallying and 3 championships meeting, it's going to be wonderful!

I would have wanted too, will be crazy entry.. But TAC rally our main rally of the organisation where I'm doing the fb page and twitter is that weekend..

[GeoFerg_Sco]

I'll be over for the circuit of Ireland, can't wait, it will be brilliant!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Disaster for Tom Cave on Red Kite Stages, his shakedown for the first round of the BRC !

Tom Cave ‏@tomcaverally
Not a good #redkitestages for us & new Fiesta. Off in SS1...
Absolutely gutted mechanical problem which sent car off rolled endless times down into the ravine, both ok thankfully

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CbvMTocWEAAgx5V.jpg:large

[MrJan]

Strewth, that's a long way from the stage!

Great entry list for the Mid-Wales, even the clubman event has a decent entry. Interesting to see cyclist Gee Atherton on the A list, didn't realise he did rallying.

[Rally Power]

It's great to see BRC having such a strong comeback! It'll probably be the most interesting national rally series to follow during 2016, with lots of young talented drivers and all R5 manus represented. Just hope Evans will be less dominant than in WRC2 (using DMack's can help).

[AndyRAC]

It certainly seems to have captured interest - let's hope its like that for the whole year. And it gets a real push from Promoters/ organisers..
the sport has become invisible in recent years - though if you believe some people, rallying doesn't need spectators....

[MrJan]

though if you believe some people, rallying doesn't need spectators....

There are plenty of people with that view, too short sighted to realise that spectators are the next marshal/competitor/stage commander/clerk/mechanic in waiting.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Jon Desborough & Colin Clarke doing the TV comms for the BRC on Ch4... :(

[MrJan]

Jon Desborough & Colin Clarke doing the TV comms for the BRC on Ch4... :(

I'm not as bothered by who does the comms as I am by how it's done. The 'as live' style commentary that the WRC has had for years really annoys me. I'm watching a highlights package, I know it's a highlights package, so why the need to try and pretend it's a shock when someone has a moment or crashes?

[AndyRAC]

Jon Desborough & Colin Clarke doing the TV comms for the BRC on Ch4... :(

They are the modern voice of the sport. They were never going to use 'unknowns'.....as seen on MotorsTV rally coverage.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

They are the modern voice of the sport. They were never going to use 'unknowns'.....as seen on MotorsTV rally coverage.

Clark knows his stuff but has an awful Scots accent for comms and Desborough is just plain annoying.

Julian Porter and Becs Williams are a good combo on the MotorsTV WRC highlights. I would have preferred them.

I suppose I'll just have to watch the fan videos with their lovely pure sound (and usually better locations).

[EightGear]

Clark is a lot better to understand than Porter.

[MrJan]

Clark knows his stuff but has an awful Scots accent for comms and Desborough is just plain annoying.

Julian Porter and Becs Williams are a good combo on the MotorsTV WRC highlights. I would have preferred them.

I suppose I'll just have to watch the fan videos with their lovely pure sound (and usually better locations).

Never got the fascination with Becs. She's fine on rally radio but I find that her commentary on telly gets on my nerves.

Rallying just won't be rallying for me unless it's presented by Steve Ridge with Tony Mason, Tiff Needell & Mark James. Such a shame that the latter doesn't seem to be about these days, I know he did the S4C coverage of RallyGB a few years back and I thought it was much better...although I may have been looking at it through nostalgia tinted glasses.

[AndyRAC]

Mark James is involved with the TCR race series - but I agree. He'd be a great addition to any rally TV coverage.

[Jack4688`]

Mark James, Tony Mason and Alan Douglas :)

[Fly_Half]

I find Julian Porter intensely irritating to listen to.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

TBH all rally commentators annoy me as I would prefer just watch and HEAR the cars. They could just put up a graphic with the stage times and any key info.

But thats never going to happen on TV so its a case of having the least worst. Alas they havent in this case... Desborough will just talk non-stop cliches and rubbish over everything. :(

[AndyRAC]

Just under a week and a half to the opening event of the new era and no speccie info up on the official site yet. I know every organiser is under pressure in the new world however the lack of information is disappointing.

Say things like that on another forum and you’ll get lynched.
I haven’t seen or heard much promotion of the event; have any of the car magazines (EVO/ car/Autocar) haD anything about the new, improved BRC yet??
The BTCC is good at promoting itself, and you normally see apreview in EVO.

[MrJan]

Yes I know the accredited spectator thread has brought out the worst in a few members mainly marshals and radio operators who don't want to share their ball with anyone!

I guess the organisers are still deciding what areas they can open up just hope its not like my local event the Riponian this weekend where they have prescribed just one area for the whole event and neither of the two pens appear to be anywhere near a corner!

I think it can be counterproductive to an extent, making the spectator spot boring will just mean people sack it off and go roaming in the woods.

Not surprised by lack of info, I think we'll need to get used to details only being released a week before an event.

[Fly_Half]

Yes I know the accredited spectator thread has brought out the worst in a few members mainly marshals and radio operators who don't want to share their ball with anyone!

This is so true. I'm absolutely sick to death of self righteous, pompous knobheads on BR bleating on about "giving something back to the sport and marshalling".

Here's a thought, I DON'T WANT TO MARSHAL.

[AndyRAC]

Not surprised by lack of info, I think we'll need to get used to details only being released a week before an event.

For clubmen/ BTRDA events that's fine. But for the premier UK series, and an International series at that, surely it needs to be a bit earlier.

[MrJan]

Seeded entry list out https://www.rallies.info/webentry/2016/midwalesnata/entries.php?type=s&combined=1

Nice to see the seeded version, I know most of the names had been announced but it's a great looking list, nice to see so many top cars and drivers on it.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

I see MotorsTV has now taken itself off Sky (Ch 447) ...

Good job the BRC didnt do a TV deal with them !

[MrJan]

Rumours are really flying about the story behind that. Seems that there is currently a back door way for Sky people to view (and Freeview is still fine for those with data connections) but many people seem to be saying it's the end. Real shame if true but I guess that's the peril of a niche channel.

[Andre Oliveira]

Woodside with Fiesta R5 too

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Rumours are really flying about the story behind that. Seems that there is currently a back door way for Sky people to view (and Freeview is still fine for those with data connections) but many people seem to be saying it's the end. Real shame if true but I guess that's the peril of a niche channel.

Yep, I've managed to get it back on Sky using this method:

You can still view the channel on your satellite box by going to the “add channel” menu and entering the following settings;

Freq 11.082
Polarity H,
Baud Rate 22000 or 22.0
FEC 5/6,
DVB-S,
QPSK

Press scan and then highlight and store MotorsTV UK. Note, you will only be able to access it from the “Other Channels” menu of your receiver.

Only problem is you cant record any programmes with this. I hear that it may come back on the Sky EPG next week...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Motors TV has returned to Sky channel 447, a week after it vanished. :)

http://www.a516digital.com/2016/03/motors-tv-returns-to-sky.html

[Simmi]

Solid, entertaining coverage on Channel 4 this morning. Tough to cram an edit into less than 30mins but they did a good job. Looking forward to the longer show on BT now - as the only complaint is we didn't see enough of the R5 field.

[MrJan]

Yep that was pretty good stuff really. Amazing that they managed to introduce the season, the idea of rallying and still have time to fit in a reasonable allocation to the juniors and a mention of some other classes. Hope the additional time for the BT coverage is used for footage and not features/interviews though.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Really disappointed with the Ch4 show in terms of the BRC1 class coverage.

Why do we get excited by the number and variety of R5 cars in the series when we only get to see less than half of them...

[MrJan]

They had 26 minutes and it was the first rally of the year, so they had to introduce people to the championship. How much more can they cover?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

At 7.30am I doubt anyone was watching that needed the Ch'ship (or drivers) introducing to them..

This tv coverage is for existing fans only .. it needs showing at a more popular timeslot to catch the casual viewer.

[MrJan]

At 7.30am I doubt anyone was watching that needed the Ch'ship (or drivers) introducing to them..

This tv coverage is for existing fans only .. it needs showing at a more popular timeslot to catch the casual viewer.

That's likely, but it's not a certainty and they can't present on that basis. Even putting that to one side though they still don't have a lot of time to show much more than a round up on the top 5 and a bit of coverage from the Juniors. I thought it was quite rounded coverage, good selection of onboards, nice camera locations in the stages and a limited number of interviews with drivers. It's always easy to say what more stuff they should add in, but the real question is what would you have omitted in order to make time for more BRC1 footage.

[AndyRAC]

At 7.30am I doubt anyone was watching that needed the Ch'ship (or drivers) introducing to them..

This tv coverage is for existing fans only .. it needs showing at a more popular timeslot to catch the casual viewer.

And there's no chance of that happening - not when they can put up repeats of 'Come Dine with Me' and get a much larger audience.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Just watched the BTSport '1 hour' version... but more filler and adverts so really not a lot better.

A few more R5's shown which was great but they could do better with the time available.

And the way that Jon Desborough talks over all the car noise and even the onboards is so annoying.

[the sniper]

I don't get why the BRC have so far made nothing of their You Tube channel... https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzMrhumQGPb2VJTaicvdAVQ Why are there no onboards on there at least? Even the dying old dog that was the old BRC put highlights up on their YT channel.

They may well have given up the right to broadcast their own championship though in whatever deal they've done with BT and C4. Very short sighted if so.

[AndyRAC]

I don't get why the BRC have so far made nothing of their You Tube channel... https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzMrhumQGPb2VJTaicvdAVQ Why are there no onboards on there at least? Even the dying old dog that was the old BRC put highlights up on their YT channel.

They may well have given up the right to broadcast their own championship though in whatever deal they've done with BT and C4. Very short sighted if so.

Or hopefully - they will put content up after its shown on TV.

[Arnold Triyudho Wardono]

And the way that Jon Desborough talks over all the car noise and even the onboards is so annoying.
Does he using "Max & Elfyn, son of Ari & Gwyndaf" cliche..?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Does he using "Max & Elfyn, son of Ari & Gwyndaf" cliche..?

Because that's his era... he knows nothing about the modern drivers.

He does the same on the WRC programmes, repeating the same few bits of info he knows on every rally. :(

[Jack4688`]

I watched the first half of it on 4OD last night and the final straw was that 'character' Elfyn Evans running into shot and going "aghhhhhh" as he pretended to tackle Colin Clark and got into his car..... Pathetic.

It wasn't bad up until Jon Desbollock's first appearance - he said something completely unremarkable then added on "as if that wasn't enough........ they've got to tackle the first two stages..................... in the dark". I actually sat there at my computer saying "as if WHAT wasn't enough?"

I suppose that shithead is a good fit for BRC's current media strategy: over-hype. over-hype, then over-hype some more

[AndyRAC]

You mention 'over hype' yet it's not having a huge effect. Apart from dedicated rally forums, most motorsport forums have had very little comment/ interest in the BRC. Even Autocar/ Evo, etc haven't mentioned it. The promoters surely have tried to get them interested?

As as its the first year of a 'new era', you can let them off. But, next year you'd hope the events are more media savvy.

[Simmi]

I watched the first half of it on 4OD last night and the final straw was that 'character' Elfyn Evans running into shot and going "aghhhhhh" as he pretended to tackle Colin Clark and got into his car..... Pathetic.

Wow maybe lighten up just a touch Jack - you'll feel better.




I think for the BRC in year one the biggest group of people they needed to target were the competitors themselves. Without entrants they weren't going to have a championship. I guess it was a case of 'build it and they will come' when the series returned. That doesn't always work out but thankfully it has.

Some over-hyping is fair criticism but credit where it's due they've done a good job on social media to drum up interest and get that momentum moving. But let's not kid ourselves, they were pushing on an open door when it came to speaking to already converted rally fans - desperate for the BRC to return to former glory.

Like Andy said you've then got that wider promotion which I think they should really concentrate on in year two. Although it is concerning that, if publications don't see this rejuvenated series as a worthy story now, what's to say they will next year?

Rallies need more investment and better promotion long-term. A lot of things look nice on the surface but need strengthening behind the scenes. It's a good start most definitely but I think there's some big steps to take before the BRC will truly be a force again.

[Munkvy]

I don't get why the BRC have so far made nothing of their You Tube channel... https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzMrhumQGPb2VJTaicvdAVQ Why are there no onboards on there at least? Even the dying old dog that was the old BRC put highlights up on their YT channel.

They may well have given up the right to broadcast their own championship though in whatever deal they've done with BT and C4. Very short sighted if so.

It is very disappointing if you are on the other side of the world and have no other way of seeing how it went. I have been re-watching a lot of the 90's footage from the BRC which was simple and not actually bad most of the time, so was hoping to find stuff on this year, but so far all I have found is the few local channels that have put up highlights.

I have just found the Dmack channel, so will go have a look at that after work.

[Jack4688`]

Luckily for us the NZRC youtube channel has all the broadcasts from each rally uploaded, though with quite a big delay. Is it still shown on regional/national TV like it was 10 or so years ago?

[MrJan]

I don't get why the BRC have so far made nothing of their You Tube channel... https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzMrhumQGPb2VJTaicvdAVQ Why are there no onboards on there at least? Even the dying old dog that was the old BRC put highlights up on their YT channel.

They may well have given up the right to broadcast their own championship though in whatever deal they've done with BT and C4. Very short sighted if so.

Like you say, they might have given up the full rights in order to get TV coverage. Why not write to them and ask though? It's worth asking the question as it may be that they simply haven't appreciated the demand for online...although they seem keen to promote other videos on their FB page.

[Jack4688`]

Wow maybe lighten up just a touch Jack - you'll feel better.

I think having a virus over the weekend made me more irritable :D Still, contrived joviality gets on my tits. Just needs a sensible, stable and knowledgeable commentator like Richard Nichols or Mark James.


I think for the BRC in year one the biggest group of people they needed to target were the competitors themselves. Without entrants they weren't going to have a championship. I guess it was a case of 'build it and they will come' when the series returned. That doesn't always work out but thankfully it has.

Some over-hyping is fair criticism but credit where it's due they've done a good job on social media to drum up interest and get that momentum moving. But let's not kid ourselves, they were pushing on an open door when it came to speaking to already converted rally fans - desperate for the BRC to return to former glory.

Like Andy said you've then got that wider promotion which I think they should really concentrate on in year two. Although it is concerning that, if publications don't see this rejuvenated series as a worthy story now, what's to say they will next year?

Rallies need more investment and better promotion long-term. A lot of things look nice on the surface but need strengthening behind the scenes. It's a good start most definitely but I think there's some big steps to take before the BRC will truly be a force again.

All good points, they've done well with what they've got and considering everyone (competitors mainly) isn't flush with cash these days.

I've got bored of using twitter and cancelled my subscription to Motorsport News because I can get all the news I read in there from this forum. When you choose not to immerse yourself in all the media you can appreciate the BRC for what it is. So maybe if I were the casual motorsports fan that media push they had in the months leading up to the start of the season would have caught my interest in the BRC.

If only the TV coverage was on at a more sociable hour, the casual viewer would have a chance at becoming a dedicated viewer. Maybe even that is too much to expect from year one?

[John Williams]

Like you say, they might have given up the full rights in order to get TV coverage. Why not write to them and ask though? It's worth asking the question as it may be that they simply haven't appreciated the demand for online...although they seem keen to promote other videos on their FB page.

All teams and independent media were asked to hold back their in-car and stage footage until after the UK TV broadcasts. This request was well observed and, only now, is this footage starting to appear.

[Munkvy]

Luckily for us the NZRC youtube channel has all the broadcasts from each rally uploaded, though with quite a big delay. Is it still shown on regional/national TV like it was 10 or so years ago?

Sure do, it's broadcast on TV3 generally within a couple of weeks of it occurring. But that is sadly about the most exposure it gets in NZ, I haven't seen much of it on the news.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Even Autocar/ Evo, etc haven't mentioned it. The promoters surely have tried to get them interested?



I dont read these but they are the most popular magazines for 'petrolheads' ... if the BRC doesnt even appear here then the masses will never get to know about it. :(

[Brynmor Pierce]

Wow maybe lighten up just a touch Jack - you'll feel better.




I think for the BRC in year one the biggest group of people they needed to target were the competitors themselves. Without entrants they weren't going to have a championship. I guess it was a case of 'build it and they will come' when the series returned. That doesn't always work out but thankfully it has.

Some over-hyping is fair criticism but credit where it's due they've done a good job on social media to drum up interest and get that momentum moving. But let's not kid ourselves, they were pushing on an open door when it came to speaking to already converted rally fans - desperate for the BRC to return to former glory.

Like Andy said you've then got that wider promotion which I think they should really concentrate on in year two. Although it is concerning that, if publications don't see this rejuvenated series as a worthy story now, what's to say they will next year?

Rallies need more investment and better promotion long-term. A lot of things look nice on the surface but need strengthening behind the scenes. It's a good start most definitely but I think there's some big steps to take before the BRC will truly be a force again.

Interesting points there Simmi. Many of you won't know what my company (www.lightninghouse.co.uk) does , but if I may I'll give an insight.
On the Mid Wales we came away having got a fairly sizeable piece in The Telegraph by virtue of the driver we brought in. That doesn't always sit well with die hard enthusiasts but it engaged the wider public far more than many events in recent years.
I would hasten to add that was all privately funded and not by event / championship....on a wider scale we're at an advanced stage to bring an event right into the heart of a large UK city, again this will be funded from outside the sport.
Therein lies the challenge, whilst events/championships need that promotion they in themselves physically don't have the money... What we're doing this year privately will start to break down some of those barriers but certainly many events (not specifically this one) need to be thinking more of how they can promote ....everything costs though .

[Simmi]

Interesting points there Simmi. Many of you won't know what my company (www.lightninghouse.co.uk) does , but if I may I'll give an insight.
On the Mid Wales we came away having got a fairly sizeable piece in The Telegraph by virtue of the driver we brought in. That doesn't always sit well with die hard enthusiasts but it engaged the wider public far more than many events in recent years.
I would hasten to add that was all privately funded and not by event / championship....on a wider scale we're at an advanced stage to bring an event right into the heart of a large UK city, again this will be funded from outside the sport.
Therein lies the challenge, whilst events/championships need that promotion they in themselves physically don't have the money... What we're doing this year privately will start to break down some of those barriers but certainly many events (not specifically this one) need to be thinking more of how they can promote ....everything costs though .

Thanks for the insight Brynmor. Was great to see you guys out on the stages. No complaints about something like bringing Chris in. Seems like a win-win for everyone.

[MrJan]

On the Mid Wales we came away having got a fairly sizeable piece in The Telegraph by virtue of the driver we brought in. That doesn't always sit well with die hard enthusiasts but it engaged the wider public far more than many events in recent years.

I've always been interested to see Chris Harris rallying, partly because I've been a keen viewer of his videos for a number of years and partly because it's interesting to see a decent motoring journalist covering an event which I watch regularly (e.g on the Wyedean or when Fifth Gear did the Exeter Trial). Of the 'die hard' fans that I know none of them object to Chris competing, mostly because he's a decent driver and likes doing big skids. Where I think the die hard fans get a bit narky is if it involves someone that doesn't sit right as a half decent driver. So if it had been a GT86 driven by Rachel Riley or Eamonn Holmes then there would have been a bit more flack :D

Edit: BTW what link does Kev Moore have with the team? I know him from motorsport in this area but spotted him at scrutineering in Wales and just noticed him in the background on one of the videos on your website.

[Brynmor Pierce]

Kev Moore is one of the main on event technicians that RallyPrep employs...great guy and a regional officer for MSA too.
Glad to hear the approval of Chris, he came in for stick from some quarters which I thought unfair , but he did a superb job of pushing the series in a new area..

[the sniper]

Glad to hear the approval of Chris, he came in for stick in some areas which I thought unfair but he did a superb job of pushing the series in a new area..

Got to agree with Mr Jan, a couple of the spectators where I was, including myself, spoke about it being good to see Chris Harris at the end of the rally (we were a couple of corners from the end of the final stage), so I think he's largely well regarded by ordinary spectators. I can't say what people involved in the sport think though, as I imagine rallying is a bit cliquey in some circles.

By the way, someone important must be reading this thread as the BRC uploaded this today, Evans run through SS1 in the dark, shot from the 'bumper' camera: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Srg3kCDHTGc

Very nice to see it, particularly as it shows they're able and willing to upload these. It'd be nice to see an in car onboard from SS3 or SS6 too, but I look forward to more onboards from future rounds.

[AndyRAC]

Kev Moore is one of the main on event technicians that RallyPrep employs...great guy and a regional officer for MSA too.
Glad to hear the approval of Chris, he came in for stick from some quarters which I thought unfair , but he did a superb job of pushing the series in a new area..


I don't know why there is any stick for Chris - he's been a fan of the sport for ages. Watch his video testing the Tuthill Porsche 911 R-GT on gravel at Walters Arena!! He was like a kid at Christmas.....
Which reminds me; I'd love to see him in that car on a few rounds......

[Brynmor Pierce]

I don't know why there is any stick for Chris - he's been a fan of the sport for ages. Watch his video testing the Tuthill Porsche 911 R-GT on gravel at Walters Arena!! He was like a kid at Christmas.....
Which reminds me; I'd love to see him in that car on a few rounds......

The Tuthill car has now been sold to a team in Spain I believe sadly...hopefully we'll have him out again in something during the year.

[MrJan]

great guy and a regional officer for MSA too.

Yeah that's how I know him as I'm involved with Torbay MC who are in the region he covers so I've spoken to him quite a lot. He seems to have been involved in the sport for years and I know that his day job used to be with a company down here, just didn't realise he did stuff with Rally Prep too.

[Andre Oliveira]

Tuthil car selled to Italy

[GeoFerg_Sco]

Roll on the circuit of Ireland. Cracking entry list!!