2016 BRC (British Rally Championship) [Archive] - Page 2

Simmi

30th March 2016, 20:04

Jack4688`

30th March 2016, 21:21

Where/when was the longer edit available?

MrJan

30th March 2016, 22:22

I was listening to the latest Absolute Rally podcast. Interesting to hear again from Mark James who is producing the TV coverage for the BRC.

He's clearly been on the forum in this thread to gauge reaction to the Mid-Wales show. Hopefully he was able to see the positive reaction to the coverage. I was really impressed, especially with the longer edit showing many more R5s. Certainly a few people were nitpicking but if you do have legitimate feedback it seems that it will be read on here.

I thought I saw his name in the credits. Think he's been a member on here for quite a few years although posts fairly infrequently.

They will never please everyone, even die hard fans disagree so it's a pretty thankless task trying to cope for them and also for people new to the sport. I think they did a pretty good job all told, will be interesting to see how the series develops during the year.

Simmi

30th March 2016, 23:26

Where/when was the longer edit available?

It was on BT Sport, a day or so after the Channel 4 package. Can't remember the exact dates.

Fast Eddie WRC

5th April 2016, 21:10

Three drivers are set to play their Joker on Round 2, the Circuit of Ireland...

Nornbugger

6th April 2016, 09:17

Three drivers are set to play their Joker on Round 2, the Circuit of Ireland...

Who?

Nornbugger

7th April 2016, 13:59

Would anyone like to share who is planning to use their jokers on this round?

Fast Eddie WRC

7th April 2016, 21:32

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CfYhPvkW8AE6lIz.jpg

Martin Liddle

9th April 2016, 23:37

So that didn't work out for Neil Simpson.

dck1989

15th April 2016, 15:54

David bogies car up for sale anybody know what his plans are?

Fast Eddie WRC

15th April 2016, 16:34

David bogies car up for sale anybody know what his plans are?

Apparently him and Simpson may be getting an upgraded version...

Sulland

15th April 2016, 21:15

Apparently him and Simpson may be getting an upgraded version...

Or will they swap for Ford?

GeoFerg_Sco

15th April 2016, 22:13

Bogie already has a fiesta R5

Fast Eddie WRC

19th April 2016, 21:10

BritishRallyC'ship ‏@MSA_BRC
You thought there was plenty of news pre season...Well we have more great news for you at 8am tomorrow morning...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cgao5fAXEAACdEt.jpg

Allyc85

19th April 2016, 21:55

Mat Wilson to return with a Michelin sponsored R5 Fiesta.

Andre Oliveira

19th April 2016, 23:47

Wow :) That livery will be amazing

Simmi

20th April 2016, 07:42

According to the MN article it's just for the Pirelli. Good news all the same. He's using Elfyn's car from Argentina - so it will be a tight turnaround between the events.

AndyRAC

20th April 2016, 08:39

Using a Michelin sponsored car on the Pirelli......very good!! ;)

Fast Eddie WRC

20th April 2016, 11:40

Mat Wilson to return with a Michelin sponsored R5 Fiesta.

Where did you read this ? Seems strange when M-Sport has a link-up with DMack this season...

Simmi

20th April 2016, 14:56

Using a Michelin sponsored car on the Pirelli......very good!! ;)

This was my first thought too. The perks of a tyre war in BRC!

Fast Eddie: M-Sport effectively have a link up with all tyre makers this season.

Fast Eddie WRC

26th April 2016, 16:14

Pirelli Rally entry list gives Matt Wilson's sponsor as M-Sport, no mention of Michelin.

He is using Evans R5 from Rally Argentina so a quick turnaround .. that may mean it keeps the same livery..

Munkvy

26th April 2016, 21:30

I haven't actually seen anything anywhere saying he is sponsored by Michelin? Just the press release included a photo of him from the last time he competed wearing overalls that have Michelin written on them? So not sure there is actually anything to it...? Unless I have missed something?

MrJan

27th April 2016, 10:03

Think that's just because he did Rally GB in a Fiesta a few years ago so they've used those photos.

MSA have released details on cost of hiring stages, £600+ per mile

https://www.msauk.org/MSA-confirms-2016-forestry-fees-in-England-and-Scotland

Fast Eddie WRC

27th April 2016, 17:00

This.

Mat Wilson to return with a Michelin sponsored R5 Fiesta.

Munkvy

27th April 2016, 22:08

This.

So in otherwords, nothing other than one person mentioning something on a forum?

Fast Eddie WRC

28th April 2016, 11:58

So in otherwords, nothing other than one person mentioning something on a forum?

And that I was replying to..

Fast Eddie WRC

28th April 2016, 12:15

Worrying situation for rallying in Welsh forests....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-36157246?ns_mchannel=social&ns_campaign=bbc_wales_news&ns_source=twitter&ns_linkname=wales

Fast Eddie WRC

30th April 2016, 10:53

Pirelli Rally entry list gives Matt Wilson's sponsor as M-Sport, no mention of Michelin.

He is using Evans R5 from Rally Argentina so a quick turnaround .. that may mean it keeps the same livery..

As predicted...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ChRhzFpWIAAeUDQ.jpg:large

Fast Eddie WRC

7th May 2016, 11:09

Nornbugger

7th May 2016, 12:27

the sniper

8th May 2016, 00:36

Are they running it as an International and paying extra for the insurance? I imagine we're actually just looking at a last minute 'rally of a 1000 chicanes' style solution...

Simmi

8th May 2016, 10:17

Are they running it as an International and paying extra for the insurance? I imagine we're actually just looking at a last minute 'rally of a 1000 chicanes' style solution...

Would be quite interesting to know what the price hike is to run the event as an international? Might be something to aim for next season.

AndyRAC

8th May 2016, 18:45

I hope Mr Clark isn't too disappointed when he finds the Scottish will still have bogey times ;-)

In an ideal world we wouldn't have them. But, being in the UK, we have to have them so events can get insurance. Which is something Colin surely knows.

N.O.T

8th May 2016, 19:05

In an ideal world we wouldn't have them.

you spelled "non autistic" wrong

events without this bogey rule are run throughout the world every weekend and still get insurance.

MrJan

8th May 2016, 20:17

you spelled "non autistic" wrong

events without this bogey rule are run throughout the world every weekend and still get insurance.

Events that are run all over the world don't need to have a level of insurance cover which satisfies the Forestry Commission though.

BTW do you actually know what autistic means?

Nornbugger

8th May 2016, 20:50

Events that are run all over the world don't need to have a level of insurance cover which satisfies the Forestry Commission though.

BTW do you actually know what autistic means?

He knows fuck all about what he posts, why would autism be different?

N.O.T

8th May 2016, 21:03

Events that are run all over the world don't need to have a level of insurance cover which satisfies the Forestry Commission though.

BTW do you actually know what autistic means?

Its a repetitive behaviour without meaning.... exactly what Bogey times are... because cars still go faster than the bogey time and they are awarded a time that means absolutely nothing, and because there are people like yourself that see a reason behind it we have to suffer.

MrJan

8th May 2016, 21:20

I think you've outstripped yourself for being offensive, well done.

Don't really think that you should be comparing a serious condition to something as trivial as the timing on a rally. Maybe do some reading http://www.autism.org.uk/about/what-is/asd.aspx

Fast Eddie WRC

8th May 2016, 21:21

Its a repetitive behaviour without meaning.... exactly what Bogey times are... because cars still go faster than the bogey time and they are awarded a time that means absolutely nothing, and because there are people like yourself that see a reason behind it we have to suffer.

Wrong again... please stop using things you dont understand as general insults.

noun: autism

a mental condition, present from early childhood, characterized by great difficulty in communicating and forming relationships with other people and in using language and abstract concepts.

N.O.T

8th May 2016, 21:24

Wrong again... please stop using things you dont understand as general insults.

noun: autism

a mental condition, present from early childhood, characterized by great difficulty in communicating and forming relationships with other people and in using language and abstract concepts.

copy pasting things from wikipedia won't get you anywhere son.

Jack4688`

8th May 2016, 23:06

And how far have you got by being a total ...edit - anglo-saxon for unpleasant person of little worth

N.O.T

8th May 2016, 23:58

And how far have you got by being a total see original post?

pretty far and pretty happy about it.... you should try it instead of accepting everything like a sheep...

now go compare your bogey times to see who is fastest and add some more chicanes to satisfy the forestry commission.

Mintexmemory

9th May 2016, 02:40

Right - In several minds how to deal with the different offensiveness being exhibited on this thread. The name calling and inherent use of a disability as a term of denigration stops here. .... Mod

Jack4688`

9th May 2016, 08:48

Franky

9th May 2016, 10:22

MrJan

9th May 2016, 10:37

I suspect that running as an international would reduce entries as people need to jump through more hoops for the licenses. That's why we saw some people not entered in the top tier in the Circuit of Ireland.

AndyRAC

9th May 2016, 11:01

The "no money" argument can be used only as a short term excuse.

Why? The clubs who organise the BRC events are cash strapped - and the current NRW issue is not going to help.

Though as I keep saying, the Promoters, IMS, should be doing more - they're not short of money.

Mintexmemory

9th May 2016, 13:34

My apologies for the obsceneties but why hasn't NOT been banned? This isn't the first time he has made fun of autism and as I see it how is that any less reprehensible than being racist, sexist or homophobic?

Thanks for the apology - I understand how provocative some people can be so was trying to calm the situation while I consider the next move.
I am not a self appointed arbiter of what forum behaviour should be, only a Mod because that was the necessary level of permission in order to run the Pickem. However I am mindful of Mark's request that we keep it clean as it's a family forum. I also have an autistic relative so found it hard to maintain a level of detached judgement.
Recently we've had sexism, xenophobia and homophobia in other threads so while I am on holiday at the Spanish GP I shall be considering a post of Rally forums standards of behaviour.

Nornbugger

9th May 2016, 17:43

Oh the self-proclaimed God has been banned for some time, but it was a bit too quiet then.

But all the all the name calling and other stuff aside, he is on the right track. Bogey times are no good for a championship that is aiming to resurect itself as a top level national championship. And as it is a first tier national championship, then why on earth aren't the events run as 'international'?

The "no money" argument can be used only as a short term excuse.#

If Bogey times were able to exist for years with out issue then they aren't the problem, the Czech approach as explained by Mirek also will have issues if organisers mess up their speed calculations. A mistake was made, its highly unlikely to happen again, move on folks.

The biggest issue I see on this thread and many more is the mods on this place seem totally disinterested in actually doing anything to allow fair, reasonable and respectful discussion to happen. NOT seems to be able to insult at will, yet when others rise to his bait they've to apologise! Has he got compromising pictures of you all or something? The 'autism insult on this thread IMO is way to far, but its your show, run it how you will...

MrJan

9th May 2016, 17:44

I shall be considering a post of Rally forums standards of behaviour.

I thought the "name calling and inherent use of a disability as a term of denigration stops here" post was scary enough to work. In fact I could almost hear my mum saying it, which really reinforced it :D

N.O.T

9th May 2016, 18:00

#

If Bogey times were able to exist for years with out issue then they aren't the problem, the Czech approach as explained by Mirek also will have issues if organisers mess up their speed calculations. A mistake was made, its highly unlikely to happen again, move on folks.

The biggest issue I see on this thread and many more is the mods on this place seem totally disinterested in actually doing anything to allow fair, reasonable and respectful discussion to happen. NOT seems to be able to insult at will, yet when others rise to his bait they've to apologise! Has he got compromising pictures of you all or something? The 'autism insult on this thread IMO is way to far, but its your show, run it how you will...

I NEVER insulted anyone in here in the 14 I participate... NEVER... lying is bad for 5 years olds.... let alone 60.

People just got offended because somehow they consider the Bogey time a good call, and their incompetence at arguing properly escalated this into a social justice warrior gathering... go figure.

If you have any family members that are autistic or you are suffering from it yourself then accept my apologies i did not intend to insult the condition...

Its like calling someone stupid, retard, idiot.

MrJan

9th May 2016, 18:27

People aren't offended because they like bogey times, they're offended because you keep being offensive in the language you use.

N.O.T

9th May 2016, 20:07

People aren't offended because they like bogey times, they're offended because you keep being offensive in the language you use.

well, i have to use a word to describe the farce the bogey times are, and another one to describe the people who had the idea....

Jack4688`

9th May 2016, 20:19

Thanks for the apology - I understand how provocative some people can be so was trying to calm the situation while I consider the next move.
I am not a self appointed arbiter of what forum behaviour should be, only a Mod because that was the necessary level of permission in order to run the Pickem. However I am mindful of Mark's request that we keep it clean as it's a family forum. I also have an autistic relative so found it hard to maintain a level of detached judgement.
Recently we've had sexism, xenophobia and homophobia in other threads so while I am on holiday at the Spanish GP I shall be considering a post of Rally forums standards of behaviour.

I envy your ability to retain that level of detachment in this situation, clearly I was not able to hold back and said exactly what I thought.

NOT seems to be able to insult at will, yet when others rise to his bait they've to apologise!

No one asked me to apologise, I just decided to do so.

I NEVER insulted anyone in here in the 14 I participate... NEVER... lying is bad for 5 years olds.... let alone 60.

People just got offended because somehow they consider the Bogey time a good call, and their incompetence at arguing properly escalated this into a social justice warrior gathering... go figure.

If you have any family members that are autistic or you are suffering from it yourself then accept my apologies i did not intend to insult the condition...

Its like calling someone stupid, retard, idiot.

You are incapable of constructing a proper argument. Using a serious mental condition in the way you did IS insulting. To refer to something as 'autistic' and to 'not intend to insult the condition' displays an incredible level of stupidity. The rest of us come here to discuss MOTORSPORT but you seem determined to do otherwise.

I apologise again to everyone else for lowering myself to NOT's level but ignoring him and trying to stay on topic just was not acceptable any more in my opinion. Hopefully my use of an obscene word and the off-topic fuss caused on this thread will open some of the moderators' eyes to NOT's continued disgraceful conduct.

A further apology for yet still going off topic.

Mintexmemory

9th May 2016, 21:18

well, i have to use a word to describe the farce the bogey times are, and another one to describe the people who had the idea....

There you go - farcical - You had the answer in your vocab all along.
As for the people who had the idea - brokers not rally organisers. Unfortunately we are in the grip of over-reaction by the FC and insurers to the Jim Clark deaths. Could be that we are watching the end of stage rallying as we know it in the UK.

Mintexmemory

9th May 2016, 21:23

I thought the "name calling and inherent use of a disability as a term of denigration stops here" post was scary enough to work. In fact I could almost hear my mum saying it, which really reinforced it :D

Ha Ha - ask Ally C and Ian R what I'm really like - father of 3 yes, adult sometimes, inveterate rule breaker -often!!

Rally Power

10th May 2016, 01:36

RSAC Scottish Rally ‏@ScottishRally
Hi Guys, just wanted to let you know that we are taking the issue of bogey times seriously and are taking steps to manage this.
Colin Clark ‏@voiceofrally
Great to see that the organisers of the Scottish will give us a proper rally. No place in rallying for bogey times.

Seeing BRC principals and organizers working to fix bogie times it’s a clear sign that they’re totally aware of how damaging this can be for the series. Solutions will come out, for sure.

Forest fees raise is another messy issue, but from outside it looks more a political matter than anything else. The Welsh government supports the sport (notably the WRC event), so it’s a total nonsense allow their natural resources body to raise fees in a disproportional way. This week MM’s has a clear view on this: http://digital.motorsportmonday.com//launch.aspx?eid=6e9506ea-7879-45c5-9240-e4f28a3681bb

Hopefully this mess will be quickly set, allowing MSA to continue their fine work, remaking BRC as a top national and international motorsport series. Best luck to them!

MrJan

10th May 2016, 12:04

The argument of NRW is that the raise isn't disproportionate, it's just to allow them to cover costs...of course there's no telling if have included various other items of standard maintenance in the build up of those 'costs' to get them covered by rallying. That's certainly the kind of practice which I'd condemn completely...but it definitely happens.

Simmi

8th June 2016, 17:14

Interesting to read that Max Vatanen is going to step back from the BRC to concentrate on the Dmack Fiesta Trophy.

So he's effectively stepping out of an R5 car to win a competition to return to an R5 car, albeit at WRC level.

He's had some bad luck in the BRC so far but his pace hasn't quite been at the level many (including myself) expected. As we've seen it's quite a big jump up to R5 from Dmack Trophy.

Doesn't look like anyone will replace him in the car for BRC. Just a single-car entry now for the time being.

EightGear

8th June 2016, 18:11

Vatanen is/was there because of his name, he hasn't achieved anything.

Arnold Triyudho Wardono

8th June 2016, 18:44

Vatanen is/was there because of his name, he hasn't achieved anything.
You mean Max..?

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EightGear

8th June 2016, 19:01

Of course.

pantealex

9th June 2016, 13:57

Vatanen is/was there because of his name, he hasn't achieved anything.

True, Max is hardly Top10 his class in Finland.

Barreis

25th June 2016, 12:58

http://classic.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/124966

Jack4688`

25th June 2016, 14:21

A works team in BRC can only increase the championship's perception from people around the world, so good news if you ask me.

Fast Eddie WRC

25th June 2016, 15:32

A Hyundai entry in late 2016 would really be a glorified test.

If they enter as a works team for the 2017 season then that would be a boost to the BRC.

Barreis

29th June 2016, 18:53

http://classic.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/125032

Jack4688`

27th July 2016, 09:42

With next year's CoI cancelled it'll be interesting to see how the championship calendar shapes up

dupanton

27th July 2016, 10:43

Good news for Ypres Rally, quite a big chance now that they will replace Ireland I would think.

MrJan

27th July 2016, 13:46

Good news for Ypres Rally, quite a big chance now that they will replace Ireland I would think.

Hard to see what other options there are, it's not like we've got decent tarmac rallies to spare.

Fast Eddie WRC

3rd August 2016, 12:12

Wasn't Ypres already mooted a while back ?

Plus its not happy with the ERC so should be glad to get the BRC interest...

tommeke_B

9th August 2016, 08:20

It looks certain that Ypres is part of the BRC next year. Just waiting for an official announcement. :)

Fast Eddie WRC

9th August 2016, 11:35

150 Entries for the Ulster Rally :)

http://www.ulsterrally.com/news/2016/bumper-ulster-rally-entry%E2%80%A6/

Fast Eddie WRC

18th August 2016, 16:45

2016 ULSTER RALLY - Event Overview

Friday Stages
3 Stages – South West of Derry / Londonderry (both run twice)
・ Stage 1 & 4 - 11.58 miles (18.52 km)
・ Stage 2 & 5 - 8.03 miles (12.84 km)
・ Stage 3 & 6 - 4.70 miles (7.52 km)
・ Return (Derry / Londonderry) for Regroup and Service after stages 3 & 6.

Saturday Stages
4 Stages – South & West of Derry / Londonderry (each run twice)
・ Stage 7 & 11 - 8.76 miles (14.02km)
・ Stage 8 & 12 - 8.91 miles (14.26 km)
・ Stage 9 & 13 - 9.07 miles (14.51 km)
・ Stage 10 & 14 - 15.88 miles (25.41 km)
・ Return to Derry / Londonderry for Regroup and Service after stage 7, 10, 11 & 14.

A new home for the Ulster Rally in 2016, Derry/Londonderry. A vibrant city that has received ‘City of Culture’ status and a place that is used to hosting events. Run late into Friday night, the Ulster is one of the few events that will offer night tests to our competitors.

Local Jonny Greer details some of the challenges of the Ulster Rally. “They are always good stages. The organisers seem to be able to come up with tests that offer everything: bumps, jumps, fast sections, smooth tarmac and then really tight, technical sections.”

“It’s great to have some night-time stages as well. We don’t get to do much in the dark nowadays and it is always a different atmosphere are night. You see the hi-vis jackets of the marshals and spectators, the flash bulbs going off at junctions and it really focuses your driving. You only have this narrow window, highlighted by the spotlights in which to work and it drags you in.”

“The Ulster Rally is always really well organised, a great event with a good atmosphere. And with a new city hosting it, I can’t wait to get out on the stages.”

Fast Eddie WRC

19th August 2016, 09:47

Filthy weather Ulster Rally this morning. Drivers concerned about the options. Stewards briefing at 11:15 .

EightGear

19th August 2016, 09:48

Filthy weather Ulster Rally this morning. Drivers concerned about the options. Stewards briefing at 11:15 .
Nice copy pasting of a tweet.

Fast Eddie WRC

19th August 2016, 09:51

Colin Clark: Very very strange situation here at the Ulster. Pouring with rain and boys having to go out on soft slicks.

Fast Eddie WRC

19th August 2016, 09:54

Should be declared a wet rally but hasnt... Weird.

Fast Eddie WRC

19th August 2016, 13:38

What a Zero car ! :cool:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CqOOcifWgAAQiRm.jpg:large

Fast Eddie WRC

19th August 2016, 13:50

‏@UlsterRally
Stewards & Officials have confirmed due to weather & road conditions, competitor's tyre choice has been relaxed.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CqNxx9AW8AE0yHu.jpg

Finally we have some sense in conditions like these. :)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CqOECipWYAASmUk.jpg

Lets see who has the best wets with DMack, Michelin, Pirelli & Kumho on the top cars.

Fast Eddie WRC

19th August 2016, 16:11

Top drivers O/A after first loop

1 A Fisher
2 E Evans +5.2
3 K Cronin +15.8
4 J Greer +20.1
5 D Bogie +30.8
6 S Moffett +47.3
7 F Ahlin +48.9

Nasty crash for Austin Mchale
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CqOyNqZWgAI-d5k.jpg

Fast Eddie WRC

19th August 2016, 21:53

Close battle between Evans and Cronin just 4.5s between them after Day 1. Pity Fisher dropped back with a puncture.

Fast Eddie WRC

20th August 2016, 13:53

Updated times

UlsterRally after SS11

1) Evans
2) Cronin +22
3) Fisher +1.14.2
4) Greer +1.20.7
5) Bogie +1.46.8
6) J. Moffett +3.23.3

3 stages remaining...

Fast Eddie WRC

20th August 2016, 14:26

Cronin is still in service so out of the lead fight. :( Elfyn Evans now leads from Fisher.

Fast Eddie WRC

20th August 2016, 16:38

So 20 years after his father Gwyndaf won the same title in the same place, Elfyn Evans wins the Ulster Rally and the BRC championship !

Congrats boyo ! :D

Well done to DMack also. ;)

Arnold Triyudho Wardono

24th August 2016, 11:48

So 20 years after his father Gwyndaf won the same title in the same place, Elfyn Evans wins the Ulster Rally and the BRC championship !

Congrats boyo ! :D

Well done to DMack also. ;)
Top Gear Rally theme intensifies..

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Fast Eddie WRC

9th September 2016, 14:11

DMack's dossier on BRC 2016:

http://msabrc.com/dossier-from-dmack-thoughts-from-the-2016-season/

Fast Eddie WRC

15th September 2016, 10:47

I think this shows Elfyn Evans domination of the 2016 Season better than anything...

BRC fastest stage times (after round 6/7)

1 Elfyn Evans GBR/Craig Parry GBR (Ford Fiesta R5) 41

2 Fredrik Åhlin SWE/Morton Abrahamsen NOR (Ford Fiesta R5) 11

3 David Bogie GBR/Kevin Rae GBR (Škoda Fabia R5) 4

= Tom Cave GBR/James Morgan GBR (Ford Fiesta R5) 4

= Keith Cronin IRL/Galvin Mikie IRL (Citröen DS 3 R5) 4

BRC stages led (after round 6/7)

1 Evans/Parry 43

2 Åhlin/Abrahamsen 9

3 Josh Moffett/John Rowan 6