Rally Argentina 2015

[dimviii]

he hit a stone inside a watersplash

[stefanvv]

oh, I see, the rock plays the "iceberg" role.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Now gearbox problem for JML !

[Allyc85]

Another problem for Vw!

Please Kris, just hold it together for once! Long, long way to go!

[stefanvv]

oh dear, not good rally for the Polo

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ogier's car in Service...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CDYTKtqWIAMN2df.jpg

[AL14]

What's Latvala's problem? He said it's not the selection (I guess of the gear) but the "drive from the front diff". What does it mean? How is it related with gearbox?

[stefanvv]

What's Latvala's problem? He said it's not the selection (I guess of the gear) but the "drive from the front diff". What does it mean? How is it related with gearbox?

front diff is in the gearbox

[jonkka]

I thought it's next to gearbox, not in it.

[stefanvv]

well it is still a diff, but should be in the "box" I think

[dimviii]

watch at 1,56 the suspension travel at both front wheels how fast they react .Amazing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLlkEI86_-8

[adr17]

well it is still a diff, but should be in the "box" I think

The gearbox and front diff is one unit

And sealed by the fia ,

So vw mechanics will change box at service ,

[RICARDO75]

is there a link for tonight super special stage?

[dimviii]

at 1,15 when Mikkelsens suspension collapse

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=F4usl6yHA0w

[A FONDO]

Solid day from Meeke, it's all in his hands now.

[N.O.T]

I think Meeke has to win this, i do not think anyone will push in this rally anymore.

[dimviii]

we have seen Meeke to bin it even at safe mode.
Lets hope this time will manage to win
#fingercrossed

[rage82]

Cricfree.tv on espn uk

[stefanvv]

is there a link for tonight super special stage?

this is one - https://plus.wrc.com/live-stages/live

[dimviii]

Latvala at stage 6 start

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CDYgbHCW0AAkBJv.jpg

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CDYhUnqWEAEa7rr.jpg

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Quite a nice SSS for a change..

[christy but]

wish they would show a proper stage rather than super specials.. but still good to see it

[stefanvv]

wish they would show a proper stage rather than super specials.. but still good to see it

on Sunday there is PS scheduled - El Condor. But this sss is nice indeed

[Arnold Triyudho Wardono]

How is the performance of Maxi rally cars comparing with R5s..?

[stefanvv]

Somebody was asking what happened to Ogier's car, here is the team statement:

"Six hours after he stopped the engine of his Polo R WRC shortly before the end of Special Stage 2, Sébastien Ogier returned to the service park in Carlos Paz. "The first ten kilometres were perfectly normal," said the World Champion looking back at the morning. "Then the car suddenly lost power and it sounded like it was only running on three cylinders." Ogier and co-driver Julien Ingrassia were initially able to keep going, albeit at a reduced speed.
But the two World Champions' hopes of reaching the finish were dashed. "After about 45 kilometres, the car kept on losing power, then the engine cut out completely." Ogier and Ingrassia used the on-board alarm electronics to try and find the problem. "Unfortunately it didn't work."
The Polo R WRC with car number 9 isn't back in service yet, so the engineers haven't started an in-depth analysis. "If we're lucky, it's only a faulty sensor or a problem with the fuel supply. Then we will probably be able to drive again tomorrow," said Ogier."

[focus206]

Meeke has a great chance this time, good luck to him.

[dimviii]

@thierryneuville / @nicolasgilsoul pushing @AMikkelsenRally 's damaged Polo to overtake in SS3 from #wrc +

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CDY3oO2WMAAq73D.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CDY3oaTWoAMtbEy.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CDY3oaWWEAAVGea.jpg

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CDYxcG2WgAEWJ0Q.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CDY_RX6W0AApwtB.jpg

[dimviii]

borl photos
https://www.flickr.com/photos/bestofrallylive/with/17259156925/

[bassist]

Meeke has a great chance this time, good luck to him.

Oh, no, cant stand the tension- some one wake me up after the last stage!!!! Hope Kris and Paul can do it this time. Get that `Monkey` off their back!

[EstWRC]

Tänak:
It looks like I might be the unluckiest driver in the championship at the moment. From a driver point of view I can't see any way of avoiding what happened to us today. We were in first gear going into a water splash. There was a stone in the water and it ripped the wheel off.

"We have to keep working and try to do as well as we can. Of course it's really difficult after what has happened, but sometimes life is hard. You just have to pull yourself together and keep pushing. It's tough sometimes, but you have to do it. You have to do it for yourself, for your team, and for everyone at home who is supporting you all the way."

[dimviii]

ouch!!!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CDZQXu_WEAIWgAg.jpg

[OldF]

How is the performance of Maxi rally cars comparing with R5s..?

Maxi rally cars = RC2N
http://www.ewrc-results.com/results.php?e=19122&s=78129&t=XION-Rally-Argentina-2015

[Mintexmemory]

Don't think anyone thought Citroen would be 1-2 at any time this season - still a long way to go and we have to see if the DS3 really has been improved. I'd say the SD and SSS performances from Kris seem to indicate the package has got quicker

[noel157]

Protasov penalised 3.10 for yesterdays wheel episode?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Confirmation today - Ogier's car had a problem with the fuel supply to a cylinder, resulting in a loss of performance.

[Aquagen]

Protasov penalised 3.10 for yesterdays wheel episode?It was penalty for 19min late on the TC. Unforunatelly +15 min for driving on the three wheels on the road section :(

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Good luck Kris !

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CDbDwHSW8AA9_wD.jpg:large

[noel157]

Start list for today:

1 Bertelli
2 Ogier
3 Mikkelsen
4 Paddon
5 Tanak
6 Neuville
7 Ostberg
8 Evans
9 Latvala
10 Sordo
11 Prokop
12 Meeke
13 Al Qassim

[Fast Eddie WRC]

MICHELIN Motorsport
Tyres information: Ostberg/Neuville/Volkswagen: 5 tyres MICHELIN LTX Force S4 (soft); Other WRC drivers: 6 soft tyres

[HaCo]

First stage is running.

[Mintexmemory]

Couldn't be a better start position for Kris and he'll still have a good spot in Portugal.

[HaCo]

Meek very slow on first split! :(

[HaCo]

Meek very slow on first split! :(

Recovering.

[Mintexmemory]

I guess Prokop hit trouble and held Kris up

[René]

spin for meek

[HaCo]

Are you sure? Maybe slowed down by Propok?

[Mintexmemory]

Fingers crossed no damage!! If that's true.

[HaCo]

Prokop finished the stage, so it must be something else.

[René]

3 - Meeke Kris / Nagle Paul): had a spin in the early section of the stage

http://rally-base.com/2015/rally-argentina-2015/

[HaCo]

Here's Meekes comments:
Meeke 17:52.1 "Very dusty. I got mixed up with my braking, we just span onto some grass. Had to stop and reverse.

[Mintexmemory]

Still in the lead ;-)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Long way to go and just a spin or puncture can change everything... I wouldn't bet on anyone to win the way things have been going.

[noel157]

Ostberg with a bad dose of the lurgy.

3 min start gaps on SS8.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

For SS8 there will be three minute gaps between cars, allowing for better visibility with dust causing problems this morning.

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CDb_hlQWoAAA1Jw.jpg

Mads Østberg ‏@MadsOstberg
Woke up with a fever, but no time for other than rally fever! My voice is nearly gone so no singing in the car today

[Fast Eddie WRC]

M-Sport 'disillusioned' over Elfyn Evans decision:

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/118666

[Fast Eddie WRC]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CDb_hlQWoAAA1Jw.jpg

Mads Østberg ‏@MadsOstberg
Woke up with a fever, but no time for other than rally fever! My voice is nearly gone so no singing in the car today

But that's Meeke's car... you have fever too ?? ;)

[stefanvv]

Sat 09:46 - SS8: Mud report
WRC TV crews report a 500 metre section of deep mud at the 3km point.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

SS8 - no 1st split for Ogier ?

OK, 3rd split now in ...

[dimviii]

But that's Meeke's car... you have fever too ?? ;)

the comments were not for the photo.Just liked the photo and i posted.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Tanak seems to be cruising through, Evans also very steady ...

JML also slower than usual.

Meeke already down on Ostberg.

[noel157]

^^ Yeah, saw that, slow first split.

[jonkka]

JML is oddly subdued, is he waiting problems for others or having one himself?

[HaCo]

Look SOrdo flying, great!

[HaCo]

And another slow start from Meeke, he cannot afford to loose 20 secs every stage!

[noel157]

And another slow start from Meeke, he cannot afford to loose 20 secs every stage!

Let's wait. Seems to be slowly increasing his pace over first 2 splits.

[HaCo]

Sordo is flying!!!

[HaCo]

Will he take thrid from JML? Great they don't have splits in the car!

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CDcULlgW8AA4_dI.jpg

[Fast Eddie WRC]

All down to getting in a good rhythm as no splits in the car... not easy for Meeke to judge his pace.

[A FONDO]

All down to getting in a good rhythm as no splits in the car... not easy for Meeke to judge his pace.

Not easy for others trying to catch him either.

[dimviii]

Latvala 27:46.8 "I had one moment, I hit a bank and had a turn into the grass. I was very lucky, but i lost the rhythm."

[HaCo]

Pitty, Sordo lost some time at the end. No more tires left maybe?

[HaCo]

No the question is: how much will Meeke loose? He will have to improve if he wants to win this!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Meeke now in a Citroen team battle with Ostberg... could be interesting how they treat this ...

[noel157]

27.45.4

[AL14]

I fear Matton would order to take the positions after this.

[noel157]

Now 32 secs over Ostberg.

[noel157]

Meeke - I was really cautious in here, this is the most difficult stage of the rally. It's difficult to confirm anything.

[HaCo]

+/-100km of stage to go.

[N.O.T]

time for Citroen to issue team orders now, would be stupid to let this go out of hand.

[Eli]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/118666 wilson upset with the rally stewards

[noel157]

It Meeke playing it canny (sensible on difficult SS8, pedal down from now on)?

[Allyc85]

It Meeke playing it canny (sensible on difficult SS8, pedal down from now on)?

Hopefully now he has been through the stage at speed once he can pick up the pace for the second run. Going for a finish is one thing, but when a minute up he surely has to go for it?

[Rallyper]

time for Citroen to issue team orders now, would be stupid to let this go out of hand.

So teamorder would be? Meeke to let Ostberg ahead or him to slow down and secure 2nd? Ostberg is 22 points ahead of KM.

[N.O.T]

So teamorder would be? Meeke to let Ostberg ahead or him to slow down and secure 2nd? Ostberg is 22 points ahead of KM.

let Meeke win.

Ostberg is useless.

[Ounin]

let Meeke win.

Ostberg is useless.

??

[Rallyper]

let Meeke win.

Ostberg is useless.

Hehe...

So teamorders from a most consious teamleader would be that the guy in the queue should take most of the points and the guy up in front (at least in Citroen) should be happy.
That´s not what I know about teamorders. However, as much as you do, I like Meeke to win. But in teamorders Ostberg should win.

[N.O.T]

Ostberg is no good for humanity.

Meeke should win.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Citroen must know they cant win either Championship, so they should just let them compete for the win. And with the rally being so rough nothing is predictable anyway.

[irish_tiger]

let Meeke win.

Ostberg is useless.


Hehe...

So teamorders from a most consious teamleader would be that the guy in the queue should take most of the points and the guy up in front (at least in Citroen) should be happy.
That´s not what I know about teamorders. However, as much as you do, I like Meeke to win. But in teamorders Ostberg should win.

The only reason that Ostberg is ahead of Meeke on points is because he is picking up the pieces when drivers ahead of him retire . He is always consistently slower in every rally ,at least Meeke gives it ago - im not saying hes brilliant and he does bin it from time to time .

[Rallyper]

Citroen must know they cant win either Championship, so they should just let them compete for the win. And with the rally being so rough nothing is predictable anyway.

That´s alright for me. It´s still a long way to go. But talking about teamorders there´s only one way to solve.

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CDcwFdUW0AABXUg.jpg

[HaCo]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CDcwFdUW0AABXUg.jpg

Very nice pic!

[AL14]

Citroen will order Ostberg to keep the position. If Ostberg would have been the first then they would have ordered Meeke to hold second.

[janvanvurpa]

The only reason that Ostberg is ahead of Meeke on points is because he has a brain--a surprising thing for a Norwegian according to all Swedes---and knows that the points are only given to FINISHERS--- is picking up the pieces when drivers ahead of him retire . He is always consistently slower in every rally ,at least Meeke gives it ago - im not saying hes brilliant :rolleyes:and he does bin it from time to time .

Yeah whatever...:D

[bluuford]

Meeke was the last car to leave service (on WRC map, just left). Any problems for him or he was just enjoing the city?

[noel157]

Tyre info: everybody going two up for 2nd pass of SS9 and SS10:
Citroën/Ford/Sordo/Paddon: 6 Michelin LTX Force S4
Neuville: 4S4 + 2H4
Volkswagen: 3S4 + 2H4

[smsgrafica]

http://www.volkswagen-motorsport.com/uploads/vw_pics/vw-20150425-7545-low-2015-WRC-04-RB1-0243.jpg

[stefanvv]

There is no reason Matton to move around the pawns over the board, the championship can have only 1 winner so far - Ogier.

[lewalcindor]

Not sure how team orders will help Citroen finish 1-2. Nobody has splits in their car, and it's not like the Citroens have a 4 minute lead over their closest competitors. They both have to keep pushing IMO.

[HaCo]

Not sure how team orders will help Citroen finish 1-2. Nobody has splits in their car, and it's not like the Citroens have a 4 minute lead over their closest competitors. They both have to keep pushing IMO.

Exactly!

[bluuford]

Stéphane Lefebvre ‏@SLefebvreRallye 24m minutes ago
Retirement : broken engine. Sad but nice experience.
Engine for DS3R5.. again

[dimviii]

Meeke was the last car to leave service (on WRC map, just left). Any problems for him or he was just enjoing the city?

JUST IN: Meeke had suspension issues coming out of service. Photo via @ChristianWRC1 #iRally UPDATE: All fine now

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CDdKfbNUIAAYVVw.jpg

[Fast Eddie WRC]

/\
All ok now :)

[dimviii]

Stéphane Lefebvre ‏@SLefebvreRallye 24m minutes ago
Retirement : broken engine. Sad but nice experience.
Engine for DS3R5.. again

iRally ‏@Official_iRally
NEWS: Lefebvre unfortunately retired today during service with damage after a water splash. Reason is apparently a broken engine.

[bluuford]

Paddon stopped.. very close to start..

[dimviii]

wtf?

No other cars are entering the stage as of yet #WRC #RallyArgentina #iRally

[jonkka]

Paddon off 600 meters from the start

[dimviii]

Ogier with no power steering?

[dimviii]

Best-of-RallyLive ‏@bestofrallylive 3 λεπτάΠριν από 3 λεπτά
The SS9 stopped after @OttTanak #wrc #RallyArgentina

[AL14]

I'm a bit disappointed, I know rally should be rough, and I like when it is like that but I don't know if we can call it rally when 4 out of 5 cars have problems. If they continue like this there will remain 3 or 4 drivers at the end and all the others under rally2.

[Rallyper]

Yeah but still there are drivers having their cars fit for the stages. Even Meeke who has been very fast. So you can break down your car anywhere in a WRC rally if not brain is with you.

[stefanvv]

Sat 15:21 - SS9: Stage stopped
Organisers have halted the stage after the fifth car (Tanak). Neuville is held at the start line. Paddon and his co-driver John Kennard are okay.

[stefanvv]

Sat 15:30 - SS9: Cancelled
Organisers confirm that SS9 will not run. Crews have been instructed to drive to the start of SS10.

[Eli]

stage 9 cancelled

[Doon]

Good news for Meeke

[irish_tiger]

Stéphane Lefebvre ‏@SLefebvreRallye 24m minutes ago
Retirement : broken engine. Sad but nice experience.
Engine for DS3R5.. again

Any more information about this ?

[dimviii]

iRally ‏@Official_iRally 10 λεπτάΠριν από 10 λεπτά
JUST IN: Ogier stopped after the finish on SS9. Attempting to fix his broken powersteering, but may have to retire if it is not fixed.

[JTGANG]

Everybody is being hitted with problems....Seems like most crews are not happy with the rally

[bluuford]

Any more information about this ?

They say that water in the engine and engine broken.

[N.O.T]

Usually argentinian organisers mess up one thing every year.. this year they decided to mess the whole event up... what a farce.

[stefanvv]

what is going on with Polo here?!?

[dimviii]

what is going on with Polo here?!?

some times is case of luck to have all different problems in one rally.It has happened for other cars too.
Latvalas and Mikkelsens polo are ok if i remeber right.Only Ogiers hit problems

[bluuford]

Latvala had broken diff and Mikkelsen broke damper as a result of puncture and later broke suspension. It seems that four spectators were involved in the incident in stage 9

[dimviii]

http://staticf5a.diaadia.info/sites/default/files/styles/landscape_642_366/public/nota_periodistica/paddonaccidente.jpg

[bluuford]

VolkswagenMotorsport ‏@VolkswagenRally 9m minutes ago
In case you are wondering: times & kms of cancelled @rallyargentina SS9 will be scratched for everybody.

So, we standings will be the same minus Paddon and Lefebre

[dimviii]

from google translate

Rally Argentina: public injury accident
In Capilla del Monte-San Marcos. Hayden Paddon's car overturned, it lay, was turned and struck some viewers. Would be six wounded. Thus the Special Test was canceled and machines become.
By Editorial Day by Day
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Was extremely violent. He came very strong in a curve, lost stability and Hyundai Hayden Paddon took several stumbling ended wounding some viewers. In the section Capilla del Monte-San Marcos, the car was smashed and turned on a gorse. The incident triggered the problem in a broken wheel, lost stability and thereby turned the machine.

Meanwhile, private ambulances, police cars arrived at the government health sector quickly. At the moment there are no reports that the condition of the wounded entails a greater risk. Would only be three people who were moved to Sunday Funes Hospital and three who were assisted at the scene. For now are bone injuries (fractures) that forced the derivation and which have no greater risks.

"We already have people working in the sector. Three patients were transferred to Cruz del Eje, People Ministry is coordinating the evacuation of patients. Three male transferred and the other three have already been addressed and are going ambulances to serve these patients, "said Diego Concha, Civil Defense Cadena 3.

READ MORE
Hyundai comes with new features to the Rally Argentina
There are now 34 listed for Rally Argentina
In this sector where this incident occurred, the red tape indicated that there should be no spectators, being an area of ​​risk and very dangerous, which was not respected by the public.

Meanwhile, both the pilot and co-pilot were in good condition.

According to the known half an hour after the accident, the special stage was canceled and the cars and head to the next Super Special Stage.

This was officially reported

SS9: The section has been canceled. The cars are directed to SS10 // SS9 now officially canceled. Cars heading 2wars start of SS10 now.


http://www.diaadia.com.ar/deportes/rally-argentina-accidente-con-heridos-del-publico

[EstWRC]

bring new zealand back and scrap this rally please, i personally dont like those car braking rallies.

[had_zachau]

Padddon's accident

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=15&v=gxfh9e5o3R4

[stefanvv]

Padddon's accident

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=15&v=gxfh9e5o3R4

not as lucky as Sordo on the SD

[Fast Eddie WRC]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CDdfLWYWEAEoM6T.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CDdiCAdWEAAZAx6.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CDdfbgMWYAA3myf.jpg:large

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Looks quite serious... broken leg ??

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CDdcXaOW8AAMch3.jpg:large

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CDdWURiWMAIhtf4.jpg

EDIT - 4 injured. :(

[dimviii]

Ogier 35.8 down on Bertelli at first split, clearly still having issues with power steering #WRC #RallyArgentina #iRally

[dimviii]

Ogier +44 from bertelli at 2nd split.Clearly big issues with steering,hope to manage this big stage.


edit 1,05 sec at 3rd split

[stefanvv]

Meeke's error earlier today. @1:00 is probably where Paddon crashed:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvM3ECPjM_c

[Fast Eddie WRC]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CDdnt3iWEAE2iMM.jpg:large

[jonkka]

People standing on outside on corner equals accident waiting to happen - unfortunately.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Paddon crash: https://youtu.be/bol_iVq8OvY

[jonkka]

Funny that Live Text reports that Sordo stopped at 3,9 km's when on splits he's not even started the stage, nor is JML who's to start before him. Call it unbalanced speed in reporting...

[stefanvv]

Paddon crash: https://youtu.be/bol_iVq8OvY

that is brutal

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Another... :( https://twitter.com/santiagocoarasa/status/592058293528461312

[stefanvv]

Meeke seems on full speed

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Meeke 8.5s up on Ostberg ! :)

[N.O.T]

i am a strong supporter of natural selection...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Sounds like Ostberg has settled for 2nd place...

[Doon]

Meeke has binned it according to live maps

[dimviii]

what problem had Sordo?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CDdr_asXIAAZcVE.jpg

[Allyc85]

Meeke has binned it according to live maps


10 seconds up on Ostberg and moving on the live map ;)

[stefanvv]

according to my maps has binned only the stage win

[Fast Eddie WRC]

1,000 Euro fines issued to Ogier, Sordo, Neuville & Prokop for deviating from route during SS2 at Rally Argentina. :(
No time penalties.

[Doon]

one minute meeke is in front of prokop and the next he's behind again??

[Fast Eddie WRC]

what problem had Sordo?



Fuel pressure I heard.

[dimviii]

iRally ‏@Official_iRally 2 λεπτάΠριν από 2 λεπτά
Meeke moving, short stall in watersplash #WRC #RallyArgentina #iRally

[stefanvv]

that's Prokop's gps problem, not Meeke

[dimviii]

iRally ‏@Official_iRally 2 λεπτάΠριν από 2 λεπτά
Meeke completes 6.9 slower than Mikkelsen, 4 seconds slower than Latvala

[stefanvv]

another Paddon video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JTO_OwyXmM

[dimviii]

Meeke 27:07.2 "I had to switch it off, switch it back on [referring to earlier issues]. Had to double check something.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

@krismeeke "Really happy with my day!"

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CDdxn28W8AA_nXk.jpg:large

Good luck for tomorrow, Kris !

[dimviii]

Sordo has water on the spark plugs #WRC #RallyArgentina #iRally

no luck for Dani..

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CDdy_wvWAAAl0Wq.jpg

[EightGear]

A Citroen 1-2 will be a real welcome change!

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CDdzqs3WAAAjOkq.jpg

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Sordo has water on the spark plugs #WRC #RallyArgentina #iRally



Ahhh, problemas mecánicos ! ;)

[dimviii]

nice photo

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CDd0aPeUEAA3R0e.jpg

[dimviii]

borl leg 2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=wJQpFSgD83s

[stefanvv]

http://www.volkswagen-motorsport.com/fileadmin/user_upload/Fans_Friends/1%20WRC/Rallye/Argentinien/Berichterstattung/2015/20150424/Galerie_des_Tages_spaet/886x498px_vw-20150425-7543.jpghttp://www.volkswagen-motorsport.com/fileadmin/user_upload/Fans_Friends/1%20WRC/Rallye/Argentinien/Berichterstattung/2015/20150424/Galerie_des_Tages_spaet/886x498px_vw-20150425-7550.jpghttp://www.volkswagen-motorsport.com/fileadmin/user_upload/Fans_Friends/1%20WRC/Rallye/Argentinien/Berichterstattung/2015/20150424/Galerie_des_Tages_spaet/886x498px_vw-20150425-7549.jpg

[jiipee64]

Ahhh, problemas mecánicos ! ;)


Gizmo action pumpo?

[dimviii]

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[GigiGalliNo1]

Just reading over the last few pages of this thread.

People are not happy or stating that "crews" are not happy with a tough rally, challenging on drivers and cars and are "blaming" the rally organisers and rally it self...

Honestly are some of you serious? You're saying because a rally is hard on cars and drivers it's a bad rally. Wow.... Didn't know rallying was meant to be easy... seems like we can ALL just jump into a WRCar and compete.. Give me a break!

[dimviii]

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[dimviii]

Paddons crash video from different angle.People were at forbidden place.
https://youtu.be/eFUEsC2M-WY

[Ucci]

A Citroen 1-2 will be a real welcome change!

Indeed, still some miles to the end. This night is definetely a "nervous" one for Kris. Hope he will get the first victory in WRC.
And Citroën should make a big celebration as honestly this is a pure coindience...Will take time for another one...

[stefanvv]

People were at forbidden place.

Definitely, couldn't pick more dangerous. And safe is behind a tree, not in front of it.

[stefanvv]

Just reading over the last few pages of this thread.

People are not happy or stating that "crews" are not happy with a tough rally, challenging on drivers and cars and are "blaming" the rally organisers and rally it self...

Honestly are some of you serious? You're saying because a rally is hard on cars and drivers it's a bad rally. Wow.... Didn't know rallying was meant to be easy... seems like we can ALL just jump into a WRCar and compete.. Give me a break!

Completely agree. But that is also the consequence of current technics in WRC cars, they are not made for tough, endurance races. If the calendar had a Rally like Safari, situation should be quite different perhaps.

[Ounin]

Completely agree. But that is also the consequence of current technics in WRC cars, they are not made for tough, endurance races. If the calendar had a Rally like Safari, situation should be quite different perhaps.

It is good to have tough rallies in the calender ! (I think Mexico is quite unforgiving as well) It must be the whole season package for the engineers to perform and to win or at least pick up many points as possible. I think there is an acceptable balance now in WRC in gravel, tarmac, snow/ice, cold, hot etc. etc. You can say many things about the FIA/WRC and Mr. Todt but in this case they do an okay job.

[stefanvv]

I didn't said anything about FIA/Todt

[EstWRC]

im not against harder rallies but this is too much IMO. Half the guys basically using rally2, some just now cruising through the end. i want to see the drivers fighting against each other, not fighting to survive in the rally, this years sweden rally is perfect example what i want.

[Antony Warmbold]

The breakdowns arise when drivers fail to slow down over the rough stuff either because they forget about it or fail to mark it properly in the notes. They are so used to be just flat out everywhere that for some of them it's really hard to change the habits. And without splits some trigger happy drivers get even more nervous...

I really like this aspect of needing to use the brain and it's nice to have some events which are rough in the calendar.

[stefanvv]

Exactly. The drivers must be aware what and when could break down in pieces. There isn't better teacher than the really tough events. Colin McRae won Safari with exactly such approach back in the years.

[AL14]

Completely agree. But that is also the consequence of current technics in WRC cars, they are not made for tough, endurance races. If the calendar had a Rally like Safari, situation should be quite different perhaps.

I quote this, since I am one of those who complain. I'm not against tough rallys themselves but not if the result is this. If we don't want to blame organizers then let's blame the FIA that made it impossible for WRC cars to attend such rallies. I don't find it enjoyable a rally where there are only 3 or 4 drivers on sunday (plus other two that are cruising) and everything is mainly due to mechanics issue.
The only good news of this rally is that Meeke is going to win it (I hope).
Mexico was tough but nobody complain because it was hard for drivers but adapted to the cars.

[noel157]

1,000 Euro fines issued to Ogier, Sordo, Neuville & Prokop for deviating from route during SS2 at Rally Argentina. :(
No time penalties.

A time penalty in Australia, a cheap fine in Argentina. Seems fair and consistent....

[stefanvv]

I quote this, since I am one of those who complain. I'm not against though rallys themselfs but not if the result is this. If we don't want to blame organizers then let's blame the FIA that made it impossible for WRC cars to attend such rallys. I don't find it enjoyable a rally where there are only 3 or 4 drivers on sunday (plus other two that are cruising) and everything is mainly due to mechanics issue.

Some of the mechanic failures seem have nothing to do with that the event is tough. Mikkelsen drove with a puncture and pushed his suspension to the limit, Ogier had some mysterious injector problem, and Sordo seem to flooded his spark plugs, Argentina had always water splashes, this is nothing new. Also Tanak might be blamed a bit for his failure.
If we enjoy it or not is another matter. This is how it is, life is hard sometimes. If they were driving on a circuit with smooth asphalt, we would enjoy more close battles. But there are other sports for it.

[noel157]

Paddon to do Rally 2 today. Or should that be Rally 3? : )

Good that he is willing and able to come out again after yesterday.

[stefanvv]

A time penalty in Australia, a cheap fine in Argentina. Seems fair and consistent....

Well in current situation a cheap fine would hurt more than some few minutes to his 35 already delay.

[tommeke_B]

A time penalty in Australia, a cheap fine in Argentina. Seems fair and consistent....

In Australia last year there was benefit from the cut, in this case the drivers lost time with choosing a different route. But anyway penalties for this are wrong. In my opinion it's up to the organizers to make it impossible to choose different routes.

[bluuford]

Also Tanak might be blamed a bit for his failure.

Tänak told that on the driver point of view there was nothing he could have done differently. You can watch this watercrossing from photographs and it looks very smooth outside, unfortuantely human is not able to see under the water too well. It was just down to pure bad luck. He was driving through the splash with 1st gear on.
Normally, this rally is not so destructive. There were huge floods including big landslides in February and the region is still recovering from this. So, we can blame weather. One cannot hope that minor roads will be rearied in couple of months.

[bluuford]

In Australia last year there was benefit from the cut, in this case the drivers lost time with choosing a different route. But anyway penalties for this are wrong. In my opinion it's up to the organizers to make it impossible to choose different routes.

They did this mistake in recce already and nearly all drivers undersytood th correct route. It is just a big mistake by co-drivers. It is not the first time for Ogier te get lost on the stage ;-)

[dimviii]

MICHELIN Motorsport ‏@michelin_sport 2 λεπτάΠριν από 2 λεπτά
#tyres information: VW/HYUNDAI: 5 #michelin LTX Force 5S4
CITROEN 6S2

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Final instructions...

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Come on Kris, bring it home.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Numerous reports coming in that the stages are especially rough and tricky this year...

Could be many on Rally2 after day one... sensible driving should pay dividends.

As I said before the start - the drivers knew what they were in for and to drive accordingly would bring a good result. And as said earlier, many of the problems were not to do with the rally and could happen anywhere...

This sort of event makes the WRC the challenge it should be. Driving well is not all about speed.

[Mintexmemory]

"Ne merde pas Kris!" - The final instruction!

[GigiGalliNo1]

As I said before the start - the drivers knew what they were in for and to drive accordingly would bring a good result. And as said earlier, many of the problems were not to do with the rally and could happen anywhere...

This sort of event makes the WRC the challenge it should be. Driving well is not all about speed.

Exactly.

We've had these easy cruising rallies in recent years and everyone including fans here online have come to follow a rally that isn.t difficult.... Bring on more rounds like this. It'll show the boys who win all the time and compare the men who can handle change and hold it out by controlling their drive.

[EstWRC]

Yeah yeah this rally is the best, get over. Cmon Kris brin git home now!!! will be a huge boost for him!!!

[dimviii]

iRally ‏@Official_iRally 3 λεπτάΠριν από 3 λεπτά
Jari-Matti was stopped on the road, reportedly trying to fix a fuel issue, but is now on the move on his way to the start of SS11! #iRally

WRC Start List
1 Bertelli
2 Ogier
3 Paddon...
7 @khalidbinfaisal
8 Prokop
9 Neuville
10 Evans
11 Latvala
12 @MadsOstberg
13 @krismeeke

[EstWRC]

you forgot Tänak, Mikkelsen, Sordo.

[dimviii]

iRally ‏@Official_iRally 3 λεπτάΠριν από 3 λεπτά
Further reports coming in about Jari-Matti Latvala - he could be down on 3 cylinders, engine running in stage mode only #WRC #iRally

[noel157]

Same as Ogier. Fuel supply problems in one injector.

[dimviii]

you forgot Tänak, Mikkelsen, Sordo.

thanks Est WRC
Bertelli
Ogier
Paddon
Tanak
Mikkelsen
Sordo
Al Qassimi
Prokop
Neuville
Evans
Latvala
Ostberg
Meeke
#RallyArgentina #WRC

[N.O.T]

Time to make Ulster proud Mr Meeke... do not mess this up.

[EstWRC]

Evans on podium?

[dimviii]

iRally ‏@Official_iRally 4 λεπτάΠριν από 4 λεπτά
Jari-Matti starts 2 minutes late #WRC #RallyArgentina #iRally

[AL14]

Evans on podium?

It's possible, it depends if Latvala actually fixed the issues and how much penalties he will take for having checked in 2 minutes late. I don't remeber how much it will be.
EDIT: 10 secs per minute. If he didn't fix it Evans is in the podium. Good day for british guys.

BTW Have you noticed Becsy is routing for Latvala everytime? :D

[jonkka]

Routing?

[bluuford]

Latvala briefly stopped and now moving 20-30 km/h

[bluuford]

Ostberg passed Latvala 2 minutes lost

[AL14]

Routing?

Sorry, meant rooting, supporting :)

[bluuford]

Latvala stopped on uphill section. seems that car cannot go uphill

[noel157]

Hope Latvala doesn't get going and hold others up.

[dimviii]

iRally ‏@Official_iRally 1 λεπτόΠριν από 1 λεπτό
Meeke has passed Latvala in SS11 #WRC #RallyArgentina #iRally

[EstWRC]

Great rally for you british guys

[noel157]

So Meeke should only drop 6/8 secs to Ostberg.

Ok, Becs, Latvala has retired. Move on.

[dimviii]

Latvala has been forced to retire from Rally Argentina's final day #WRC #RallyArgentina #iRally

[jonkka]

So it'll (hopefully) be 1-2 for Citroen and almost no points for VW... Hilarious...

[dimviii]

fastest vw at positions 13 & 23

[jonkka]

Also for Hyundai this seems to be a good points haul, they'll close in on VW a lot...

[noel157]

Meeke has a problem? Hopefully just a bit nervy.

[stefanvv]

The good news for VW is Mikkelsen is getting stronger each Rally.

[dimviii]

iRally ‏@Official_iRally
Meeke with a potential issue, concerned about something, no confirmation as to what this is as of yet #WRC #RallyArgentina #iRally

[focus206]

In how much the last stage? I want to hear British commentary for it :D Shame for Latvala though, it was a good chance to gain some points on Ogier :(

[noel157]

In how much the last stage? I want to hear British commentary for it :D Shame for Latvala though, it was a good chance to gain some points on Ogier :(

http://cricfree.tv/watch/live/fia-world-rally-championship-live-streaming

[Rallyper]

Feeling so sorry for that poor guy JML!! Only man gaining is Ogier!

[Ucci]

Just one to go Kris! I really wish this victory goes to you....you deserve it.

[cosmin_sb]

What is the reason of Protasov penalty?

[noel157]

What is the reason of Protasov penalty?

Late into TC I think.

[cosmin_sb]

Late into TC I think.
190s are for late into TC and 900s are penalty from steward, but what happened?

[Medved]

Protasov - http://www.rallyargentina.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/STEWARDS-DECISION-41.pdf

[Allyc85]

So tense going into the last stage! Meeke being stopped on the road section really wasn't helping things!

Come on Kris and Paul, bring her home :D

[dimviii]

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[AL14]

Any update about Meeke's problem? Is it everything ok?

[rage82]

He's on his way to the stage. No additional info about the possible problem and if it's been fixed.

[Allyc85]

No problem, just double checking the car according to the team.

[AL14]

Prokop on his way to pass Latvala in the WDC ranking...

[jonkka]

Prokop on his way to pass Latvala in the WDC ranking...

As are Meeke and Sordo as well.

[stefanvv]

good pick for PS and live tv

[focus206]

big spin for Mikkelsen!!!

[EightGear]

That didnt last long for Mikkelsen.

[stefanvv]

over for him

[MartijnS]

Wow! Big moment.

[mousti]

big spin for Mikkelsen!!!

That I don't call a spin :D

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[AL14]

what kind of live coverage is that? Just the first 5 curves and then back to the other driver?

[stefanvv]

That I don't call a spin :D

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how do You call it?

[dimviii]

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[focus206]

That I don't call a spin :D

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I was about to write "Mikkelsen off" but technically he didn't leave the road :D

[stefanvv]

hardly anyone will beat Ogier here

[dimviii]

how do You call it?

crash

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Mikkelsen error.. again not the rally's fault.

[noel157]

Binned it is the technical term I believe....