Rally Wrc France-Alsace 2014 [Archive] - Page 4

dodge33cymru

7th October 2014, 14:59

Forget the photos, I'm wondering how the 10+ minutes long amateur clips have disappeared. For me they were the spirit of european events but now we seem to have lost that too. Today a sport without multimedia is doomed.
These clips got me back into rallying last year, there are plenty of them around still, some of which get plenty of hits and views. I'm very grateful to the people who make and post them.

jonkka

7th October 2014, 16:27

History of RMC favors asphalt drivers over Nordic ones. Over the history there were 17 Nordic RMC winners, 57 from mainland Europe and 6 from Britain. In the more recent history since 1980 there were 27 asphalt drivers (France, Italy, Spain, Germany) and 8 Nordic ones (Finland only).

Um, four drivers, seven wins? Vatanen 1985, Toivonen 1986, Makinen 1999-2002 and Gronholm 2006.

Mirek

7th October 2014, 16:35

No, it's 8 victories for Finns. Hirvonen won IRC edition in 2010 ;)

But sorry for the mistake. I meant number of victories, not drivers...

janvanvurpa

7th October 2014, 17:02

Not necessarely in Sweden, I think. However Swedish Television SVT covers WRC, but RX could give him the extra boost. Or he just had the opportunity from Mattias Ekström and gave it a go!

Rallycross does fit the TV mentality better...coupla minute heats, action and drama frequently--from drivers crashing into eachother...so something for the talking (air) heads to talk about...
I hope Tideman doesn get waylaid into the "Made for TV" thing we have over here the call "Globular Wawwy Cwoss" or Global of some nonsense... Its the Ken Block Show..
They just had a round only 50km from downtown..

Only way I know was 2 weeks after clearing the junk email folder there was a spam email..

No other notice that a round was next door prqactically, on neither of our National forums.
Secret.
Made for TV

306 Cosworth

7th October 2014, 20:28

Forget the photos, I'm wondering how the 10+ minutes long amateur clips have disappeared. For me they were the spirit of european events but now we seem to have lost that too. Today a sport without multimedia is doomed.

I do shorter videos 5-6 minutes mainly because I fear people will lose interest/get bored, so it's best to keep it short and sweet and entertaining. Maybe I will post a longer video from Rally GB.

My Sardinia video is just over 6 minutes - http://youtu.be/SITPDjStglM

MK2 BDG

7th October 2014, 22:06

I noticed the Arab drivers on Rally Cyprus recently were taking huge cuts and nothing wad said...

As for France, those markers dont look right at all.. hay bails with metal inside would be better.

Would take months to set them all out,

There were very few in 2010, and the event was more like the mud in Wales,, cutting everywhere,, It vastly improved in 2011, but they used steel road pins, with marker the size of playing cards on top, this was down right dangerous , we had one enter the car under my seat !!!

The markers use in the last couple of years, do get hit by the crews in front, and are left flat, some in the middle of the road,
If they weren't used, i would not enter the event, On the Sunday stages this year, there were very few of these marker/signs used

Andre Oliveira

7th October 2014, 22:20

More photos here (http://ewrc-results.com/foto.php?e=13901&t=Rallye-de-France-Alsace-2014)

http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2014/photos/rallye_de_france_alsace_2014/dwi_14-11fra_neuville0004a.jpg
http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2014/photos/rallye_de_france_alsace_2014/dwi_14-11fra_kuipers0006b.jpg
http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2014/photos/rallye_de_france_alsace_2014/dwi_14-11fra_dumas0002a.jpg

dodge33cymru

7th October 2014, 22:28

Awesome supt of the Porsche. Thanks for the video 306 Cosworth, will check out your channel in depth.

nafpaktos

7th October 2014, 23:39

It is worth to watch it.lot of risks!!!amazing drive.hope he will get a chance in the near future.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=bm8nuvP_8Iw

N.O.T

7th October 2014, 23:47

A chance in what ??? Sousa is a respectable tourist nothing more...

nafpaktos

8th October 2014, 00:10

His time on this stage (power stage)shows the opposite.i dont say he is the new seb i just say i would like him to take a chance since a lot of drivers in the past took chances they didint deserve.

N.O.T

8th October 2014, 00:33

If he wants a chance he has to pay...

His time in one stage means nothing.

By the way i really cannot see the reason why the FIA doesn't award points at the power stage for every class individually.... it is just stupid.

Rally Power

8th October 2014, 00:48

A chance in what ??? Sousa is a respectable tourist nothing more...

No tourist could beat Abbring on this year most epic ERC victory duel, like Sousa did in Açores!

Sousa was always a fast guy and finally his speed has become consistent.

Força Bernardo! Força Hugo!

Mirek

8th October 2014, 00:58

No tourist could beat Abbring on this year most epic ERC victory duel, like Sousa did in Açores!

You forgot some little details like that Abbring did two stages without power steering (in that moment he was leading by 35 seconds)...

Rally Power

8th October 2014, 01:23

You forgot some little details like that Abbring did two stages without power steering (in that moment he was leading by 35 seconds)...

...and you're forgetting the time Sousa lost by being first on the road at day 1.

No need to get excuses, it was a clean and well deserved victory!

EightGear

8th October 2014, 01:34

You forgot some little details like that Abbring did two stages without power steering (in that moment he was leading by 35 seconds)...
And a 10 second time penalty.

N.O.T

8th October 2014, 01:37

Nice to see that tourists have followers... a lonely tourist is a sad spectacle.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/51932399@N07/15470316151/in/set-72157626858800491

nafpaktos

8th October 2014, 02:54

We must also reckon that he fought-fights againts drivers with factory support and thats really important.

tommeke_B

8th October 2014, 09:13

Also don't forget Sousa is driving a Ford Fiesta RRC, I'm a bit unsure if, and how much it is faster than R5. Sousa is around in WRC since 2008, and since stages are changing only very little over the years, he has had plenty of time to prove himself. In 2010 he was driving SWRC with a Fiesta S2000 with 2 years of WRC experience under his belt, I remember him being beaten by drivers like Pons, Kosciuszko, Ketomaa, Prokop, Sandell and more. Where are those drivers now? ;) For me Sousa's performance in WRC-2 is more a proof of the poor condition of the championship, than of his "amazing talent". And yes he did good with his win in Azores, but Vaclav Pech won Barum Rally this year and that also doesn't make him a WRC star...

bluuford

8th October 2014, 10:32

Scroll till the end of page and look stats for ERC: http://www.ewrc-results.com/season.php?s=2014&sct=6&nat=95&t=ERC
and WRC2: http://www.ewrc-results.com/season.php?s=2014&sct=222&nat=95&t=WRC-2
Look the stage wins. Abbring despite having taken part only 5 rallies and stopping before the end of most of them has still mot of the stage wins (as long as the car was running OK)
Now look WRC2. Ott did the same in WRC2 (as long as the car was not breaking down (it broke down in Argentina, Italy and Finland) or he had proper tyres he won most of the stages).

These two are clearly visible from the RC2 field in 2014.

vino_93

8th October 2014, 12:20

Here's something.. Some people say " Rally France and Rally Gemany are just so many km apart and looks the same...blah blah..."
But do they? I see trees--ya know those BIG gree things and the stick out of the ground like 5-8-10 meters high and the give me the impression that these guys are running thru a thing called "a forest"....like this wonderful shot here:
http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2014/photos/rallye_de_france_alsace_2014/abr_img_9027.jpg

There is no fawkin way I am going to mistake that shot for one of a car on some circuit going in circles!

In Germania it looks like vines--ordered neatly arranged vines about shoulder height.....
That seems a little different. Just a bit.

Are these 2 events too alike? Should 1 go somewhere else? Which one? Why?

Maybe this whole thing is an extending complement t that great shot--don't know I think I am sick..

Well, it's only because Rallye de France changed his route. Usually it was a little in Vosges moutains, and then a lot in Alsace, in vineyards. But this year their was maybe only 1% of the rally in vineyards, all the rest was in Vosges. I think it's due to problem with wineries, and damages in the vineyards.
The same problem exists in Germany. If Germany has to change his route, but staying in Trier, where will they got ? In Eifel, which is quite similar to Vosges ...

By the way I find the 2014 roads quite disappointing. A lot of stages weren't exciting, to wide roads without difficulties, even if some stages were really beautiful. If Rallye de France has to stay in calendar (I'm not in favour of it, but that's not me who choose), I'd like to seem him in another place in metropolitan France (maybe North, close to Belgium, or west like in Normandy where roads are beautiful).

vino_93

8th October 2014, 12:24

Rallye de France-Alsace is the most spectator-unfriendly event of WRC and ERC combined. The first 2 years (2010 and 2011) it was quite ok in my opinion, but spectators were behaving extremely dangerous (it's a miracle no big accidents took place). After that the organisation had to do something, but it's too radical. Same could be seen with Rallye Deutschland this year, they couldn't let it continue as it did, but they are too radical on the other side now. Of course it's not easy to find the compromise for being not too dangerous and still enjoyable for the numerous spectators.

I think that's not only link to Rallye de France, but it's global in French rallying. All the races are spectators-unfriendly here now ...

Mirek

8th October 2014, 12:31

I think that's not only link to Rallye de France, but it's global in French rallying. All the races are spectators-unfriendly here now ...

Not only in France...

Rally Power

8th October 2014, 15:01

For me Sousa's performance in WRC-2 is more a proof of the poor condition of the championship, than of his "amazing talent". And yes he did good with his win in Azores, but Vaclav Pech won Barum Rally this year and that also doesn't make him a WRC star...

Sousa isn't a tourist and neither he’s a WRC star, but he’s trying harder to become one!

I’m a Sousa fan as much as I’m a Abbring fan or a Maurin fan, etc; above all I’m a Rally fan and try to be fair with all those guys, not judging their ups and downs to lightly or severely.

Take the Meeke example, a lot of us would easily forget his name after his inconsistent JWRC attempts, but then he got the IRC chance and proved to have achieved enough maturity to full fit all his potential.

From his earlier continental Portuguese rally shows (Sousa is from the Madeira island) in a Evo, Sousa proved to be hugely fast but not totally committed to the sport. Then he made some erratic career movements and easily was seen as another rich daddy’s boy wasted talent.

Somehow he surpassed this unjust reputation (probably by getting a stable co driver like Hugo and an enthusiastic team like AT rally) and become mentally stronger in order to materialize all his talent.

Therefore his recent results shouldn't be wrongly judge as a championship lack of quality sign because they’re mostly a sign of a driver’s progress towards his maximum potential.

Best luck to him!

MK2 BDG

8th October 2014, 20:40

Well, it's only because Rallye de France changed his route. Usually it was a little in Vosges moutains, and then a lot in Alsace, in vineyards. But this year their was maybe only 1% of the rally in vineyards, all the rest was in Vosges. I think it's due to problem with wineries, and damages in the vineyards.
The same problem exists in Germany. If Germany has to change his route, but staying in Trier, where will they got ? In Eifel, which is quite similar to Vosges ...

By the way I find the 2014 roads quite disappointing. A lot of stages weren't exciting, to wide roads without difficulties, even if some stages were really beautiful. If Rallye de France has to stay in calendar (I'm not in favour of it, but that's not me who choose), I'd like to seem him in another place in metropolitan France (maybe North, close to Belgium, or west like in Normandy where roads are beautiful).

vino_93 Have you competed in both the German and current French round of the WRC ??
France has barely changed since it moved in 2010,, this year the vineyard Kelvar stages was not used, like the past 4 years

Try driving the roads used this year,, certainly not disappointing from a driver's prospective

vino_93

9th October 2014, 15:33

No that's only a spectator point of view. Maybe the feeling by driving was different ;) I most admit, as a spectator (and TV spectator particularly), I found the 2010 / 2011 edition better, with a mix of vineyards and Vosges. This year only Vosges, I found some stages not really interesting on very large roads (at least for Rally). But as I said, only a spectator point of view. Driving is probably other thing.

makinen_fan

9th October 2014, 17:17

Turn up your speakers!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzJguNWAVeM

Mirek

9th October 2014, 19:32

Still sound a little bit lame compared to the unrestricted one...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5Np4jlbKck

gorganl2000

10th October 2014, 01:39

Still sound a little bit lame compared to the unrestricted one...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5Np4jlbKck

now i absolutely like the sound of that one

lewalcindor

10th October 2014, 04:56

Still sound a little bit lame compared to the unrestricted one...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5Np4jlbKck

Nothing beats the sound of Dobberkau's 997, except for maybe the Audi Quattros during the Group B era.

noel157

10th October 2014, 11:12

Proper sound.

mousti

10th October 2014, 18:54

Nothing beats the sound of Dobberkau's 997, except for maybe the Audi Quattros during the Group B era.
This ain't bad either... And probably the most ideal guy to drive it!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAJ1ca1Ymng

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsJLFKNATU0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vr0kvZRiERw

lewalcindor

10th October 2014, 19:17

This ain't bad either... And probably the most ideal guy to drive it!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAJ1ca1Ymng

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsJLFKNATU0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vr0kvZRiERw

Also nice! But I just prefer the unmitigated fury coming from the tailpipe of Dobberkau's 911. What a sound!

306 Cosworth

11th October 2014, 12:26

I think Zeltner's car sounds better than Dobberkau's car.

jolle1982

11th October 2014, 13:20

Zeltners old porsche 996 sounds better. The new 997 sounds not so good

Mirek

11th October 2014, 19:51

Yes, 996 has nicer sound. I agree.

AndyRAC

12th October 2014, 02:10

Zeltner has won the ADAC German Rally Championship...the first time since 1977 that Porsche have won it.

lewalcindor

12th October 2014, 03:37

I think Zeltner's car sounds better than Dobberkau's car.

Zeltners old porsche 996 sounds better. The new 997 sounds not so good

I just checked out some videos of Zeltner. That 996 is a total screamer! The 997 also sounds nice, though not quite as nice as Dobberkau's.

That said, Zeltner does seem to have better control of the 911 than Dobberkau, who's no slouch either.

manthey

12th October 2014, 12:30

direct comparison (with ghost car) on a corner: 997 gt3 vs fiesta r5

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_agbnEAB_cQ

A FONDO

12th October 2014, 12:38

and a ghost cow :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

manthey

12th October 2014, 18:28

homage to zeltner and his 997
Deutscher Rallyemeister 2014

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9G_EQD_RP2c

Mirek

29th October 2014, 16:02

Was this posted already?

http://www.rallyedefrance.com/download/2013/tableau-affichage-2013/d%C3%A9cisions_du_coll%C3%A8ge_des_commissaires_sp ortifs/2.13_D%C3%A9cision_du_college_des_commissaires_%20 N%C2%B010_apres%20rallye.pdf

All JWRC drivers were excluded from Rallye d'France as non-conform cams were found. Citroën also fined by 10 thousand Euro.

A FONDO

29th October 2014, 16:11

Mon Diu, Citroen cheats even in one-make competitions :D

jonkka

29th October 2014, 17:35