XION Rally Argentina 2014

[Andre Oliveira]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BmuV3zGCYAEl9Ny.jpg

Entries: http://ewrc-results.com/startlist.php?e=13895&t=XION-Rally-Argentina-2014

The cars already are at Argentina:

https://twitter.com/The_Rally_Guru/status/462607875459006464/photo/1
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BmuDaV9IQAAagM1.jpg

https://twitter.com/OfficialWRC/status/462609270979457025/photo/1
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BmuErk0IMAAJ67c.jpg

https://twitter.com/OfficialWRC
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BmuC-ZIIgAEw-Kg.jpg

[Andre Oliveira]

SSS

https://twitter.com/MundoRallyes
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BmtJXt7IcAEQm8r.jpg:large

[Andre Oliveira]

https://twitter.com/OfficialWRC/status/462605562132566016/photo/1
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BmuBTqHIEAIQ5aQ.jpg

[Andre Oliveira]

https://twitter.com/MundoRallyes
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BmzWnz6IYAIOeIV.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BmzV5AxIgAA25d8.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BmzU5r3IYAA6pRQ.jpg

[Andre Oliveira]

https://twitter.com/MundoRallyes
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BmzTMVsIgAA7gpS.jpg

From Mikko twitter:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BmzXMMtIAAA0ORw.jpg

[Criterium]

Have a (3D and animated) look on the stages on:
http://www.interactiveinfluence.com/techali/rallyvista/

http://i56.servimg.com/u/f56/15/38/23/21/presrv19.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=1078&u=15382321)

[andyone]

nice preps. my prayer is. i just need a different winner. and not Ogier.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Meeke and Ostberg visit the Fangio memorial in Buenos Aires:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BmzHbVLIUAAMIFc.jpg:large

And this is what makes Argentina special - BIG watersplashes !

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bm04OmBIQAERQ7o.jpg:large

Nice photoset from the Service Park:

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.798643733481206&type=3&l=50acdc35e8

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Interesting... 'Robert Kubica vows to change WRC approach ahead of Rally Argentina' ... :roll: :rolleyes:

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/113787

[Back-N-Black]

I don't know what I'll do if VW wins again! Come on Lads!

[litifeta]

The view in that special stage looks fantastic Andre.

[Mintexmemory]

I don't know what I'll do if VW wins again! Come on Lads!

C'mon be creative, formulate a sliding scale from Ogier down to Mikkelsen of forfeits. Don't hang yourself in front of your TV or PC, that's silly but you could run naked up your street shouting 'alles verdamt'

Or just accept the fact that Ogier is going to give a demonstration of car conservation as others wreck theirs trying to keep up!

[Rallyper]

C'mon be creative, formulate a sliding scale from Ogier down to Mikkelsen of forfeits. Don't hang yourself in front of your TV or PC, that's silly but you could run naked up your street shouting 'alles verdamt'

Or just accept the fact that Ogier is going to give a demonstration of car conservation as others wreck theirs trying to keep up!

Hope you´re wrong...

[Mintexmemory]

Would love close competition and JML / Meeke to be challenging. Don't think that's going to happen!

[andyone]

its really Sad. i hope mikko gets that speed again and keeps it. WRC 2 looks more intresting to me to be honest.
Al-Rahji
Al-kuwari
Ott Tanak
Al-Attiyah
Protasov
Ketomaa
Fuchs
all these drivers are fast in some ways. can anyone tell me who is the winning candidate for WRC 2.

[Rallyper]

its really Sad. i hope mikko gets that speed again and keeps it. WRC 2 looks more intresting to me to be honest.
Al-Rahji
Al-kuwari
Ott Tanak
Al-Attiyah
Protasov
Ketomaa
Fuchs
all these drivers are fast in some ways. can anyone tell me who is the winning candidate for WRC 2.

For sure Tanak.

[pantealex]

WRC 2 looks more intresting to me to be honest.
Al-Rahji
Ott Tanak
Al-Attiyah
Protasov
Ketomaa
all these drivers are fast in some ways. can anyone tell me who is the winning candidate for WRC 2.

Al-Rahji is non starter
Protasov is driving with RRC (very old car, 1st ever winner Fiesta WRC, Hirvonen Sweden)
I believe fight is between DriveDMack cars (Tänak and Ketomaa) and Michelin driver Al-Attiyah. Tänak probably the fastest.

[dimviii]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/t1.0-9/11950_676393805760901_4120696439733756834_n.png

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BnG_s1NIcAACDk1.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BnG95_JCEAA4ANg.jpg

[Criterium]

And now, let's start with Parque Temático SSS:
http://i56.servimg.com/u/f56/15/38/23/21/presrv22.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=1084&u=15382321)
http://i56.servimg.com/u/f56/15/38/23/21/presrv21.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=1083&u=15382321)

To be explored on
http://www.interactiveinfluence.com/techali/rallyvista/

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Live stream from the SP with interviews good to watch.

[dimviii]

citroen racing at twitter has the explanation of cockpit from elysee at top from 28 April,and after Mads reports after shake.....
https://twitter.com/CitroenRacing

[dimviii]

1 Hirvonen Fiesta WRC 2'40'6 2'35'1 2'33'1 2'31'7
2 Latvala Polo R WRC 2'36'2 2'32'0
3 Neuville i20 WRC 2'38'1 2'35'1 2'32'3
4 Ogier Polo R WRC 2'38'2 2'32'5
5 Mikkelsen Polo R WRC 2'36'6 2'32'6
6 Sordo i20 WRC 2'37'3 2'32'9 2'33'0
7 Ostberg DS3 WRC 2'37'3 2'33'1
8 Kubica Fiesta WRC 2'41'7 2'35'5 2'33'9
9 Meeke DS3 WRC 2'40'0 2'34'9
10 Prokop Fiesta WRC 2'41'6 2'37'8
11 Evans Fiesta WRC 2'43'0 2'38'1
http://www.rallye-sport.fr/classement-shakedown-rallye-dargentine-2014/

[dimviii]

after 3-4 hours from shakedown official site not a word about.....

[Roy]

after 3-4 hours from shakedown official site not a word about.....

http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/news/may/shakedown/page/1364--12-12-.html
Dani Sordo was fastest

[dimviii]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEYfMKxQDqQ

[Gregor-y]

after 3-4 hours from shakedown official site not a word about.....
They must have swapped Red Bull with NyQuill. But then I guess without any real incident it's not needed. This site does a good job of being my 'delayed' coverage here in the US.

[Roy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEYfMKxQDqQ

This has images of Portugal and last year gravel rallies. Please watch careful what you post.

[dimviii]

This has images of Portugal and last year gravel rallies. Please watch careful what you post.
lol
i20 was present at Argentina last year?

[Francis44]

lol
i20 was present at Argentina last year?

Most footage is indeed from Portugal Dimviii.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

"Argentina’s channel 12 (Cordoba) and Fox Sports Latin America will also provide LIVE coverage of the Super Special Stage on Thursday (2100 CET) .."

Anyone find a stream to watch ?

[stefanvv]

Probably this? - http://www.bizontv.com/fox-sports-latin-streaming

[PLuto]

Here is start list: http://rally-base.com/2014/rally-argentina-2014/start-list/?startTimeTypeId=437

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Probably this? - http://www.bizontv.com/fox-sports-latin-streaming

Yes, I found that one too.

Only problem is the TV guide shows WRC at 1.30am ... :(

http://www.foxsportsla.com/us/television/programacion/foxsports/hoy?country=gb

[stefanvv]

Pity, that's tomorrow morning

[Fast Eddie WRC]

I'll stick with it in case they show something later on the Central Fox prog ...

[stefanvv]

What about channel 12? can't find any schedule for it

[Fast Eddie WRC]

What about channel 12? can't find any schedule for it

No, nothing live for that anywhere.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Its on somewhere ! This on twitter...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BnIt7JYIgAAzNnY.jpg:large

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ogier smashes everyone by 3 seconds on the SSS !

1. 1 FRAS. OGIER 4:51.7
2. 4 NORM. OSTBERG 4:54.7 +3.0 +3.0
3. 9 NORA. MIKKELSEN 4:55.2 +0.5 +3.5
4. 5 FINM. HIRVONEN 4:55.8 +0.6 +4.1
5. 2 FINJ. LATVALA 4:55.9 +0.1 +4.2
6. 7 BELT. NEUVILLE 4:57.1 +1.2 +5.4
7. 8 ESPD. SORDO 4:58.9 +1.8 +7.2
8. 3 GBRK. MEEKE 5:01.0 +2.1 +9.3
9. 35 FINJ. KETOMAA 5:01.2 +0.2 +9.5
10. 41 PERN. FUCHS 5:01.8 +0.6 +10.1
11. 38 ESTO. TANAK 5:02.3 +0.5 +10.6
12. 10 POLR. KUBICA 5:03.5 +1.2 +11.8
13. 6 GBRE. EVANS 5:03.9 +0.4 +12.2
14. 21 CZEM. PROKOP 5:06.1 +2.2 +14.4
15. 32 UKRY. PROTASOV 5:11.4 +5.3 +19.7
16. 40 QATN. AL-ATTIYAH 5:13.3 +1.9 +21.6
17. 33 ITAM. RENDINA 5:17.3 +4.0 +25.6
18. 72 ARGJ. ALONSO 5:24.4 +7.1 +32.7

[stefanvv]

wow, no surprise though

[dimviii]

Most footage is indeed from Portugal Dimviii.

didnt notice it guys,but at the end of video you can read wrc promoter 2014.
Pitty that official site after a lot of hours from shakedown used plans from previous rallies.
These guys are really amateurs.Its impossible to find such a situation at any sport.

[Andre Oliveira]

First pics here (http://ewrc-results.com/foto.php?e=13895&t=XION-Rally-Argentina-2014)

http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2014/photos/xion_rally_argentina_2014/jmc_jm_01shakedown_234.jpg
http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2014/photos/xion_rally_argentina_2014/jmc_jm_01shakedown_456.jpg
http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2014/photos/xion_rally_argentina_2014/jmc_jm_01shakedown_555.jpg

[dimviii]

photos from borl.Watch the sick dog at Kubicas photo.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/bestofrallylive/with/14159173223/

[dimviii]

nice photos
http://www.citroenracing.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/140508_13_OSTBERG.jpg
http://www.citroenracing.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/140508_09_OSTBERG.jpg
more
http://www.citroenracing.com/2014/photos/photos-wrc/17460/rally-argentina-2014/

[dimviii]

First pics here


very good thanks!


some more
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.877923232224668.1073741834.837513582932300&type=1

[bluuford]

Neuville had a proper moment on SSS1:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78FgtI0_I-s&feature=youtu.be

[dimviii]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAGJjHnXhLU

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Big jump by JML...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BnKEZeYIIAENaMx.jpg:large

[rallyfiend]

didnt notice it guys,but at the end of video you can read wrc promoter 2014.
Pitty that official site after a lot of hours from shakedown used plans from previous rallies.
These guys are really amateurs.Its impossible to find such a situation at any sport.

They never said that was a shakedown video. That's a video they posted on Facebook last week that someone has ripped and put on Youtube....

Take it down a notch, eh?

[KKS]

splits are down both on wrc and citroens site :(
and btw - good day :)

[Koceens]

Nice split times as usual...

Edit: And looks like Citroen Racing now have live timing only from WTCC.

[Mirek]

Is at least radio working for someone? For me nothing, no splits, no radio...

EDIT: Radio working now but only playing some stupid music.

[KKS]

radio was OK. now music.... but we can hear Colin at the of stage

[Koceens]

Radio works fine.

[thuGG]

Hirvo off?

[arko5]

Hirvonen quickest then Kubica ;) Ostberg also...

[Mirek]

Hirvo and Mads stopped :(

[arko5]

Again Ogier without splits...

[KKS]

worse road condition or what a drama on first proper stage?

[jonkka]

wow - I see two split times!

[jonkka]

and now five - for two drivers...

[Rallyper]

The rally is over for me as well. So boooooring.

[KKS]

The rally is over for me as well. So boooooring.

it's so many rocks ahead for vw too ;)

[HarriK]

Mikko rolled and Mads 16km and hit a stone and wheel off?

[rp]

It was very short rally. Shame on Mikko & Mads, because now there is no excitement at all. Volkswagen will take their first ever 1-2-3 win. Bye bye! The rally is over for me also...

[KKS]

things go crazy at south part of earth %)

[Mirek]

So, promoter still trying to push for some stupid inventions and in the same time they can't make the basic working till today...

Splits don't work regularly.
Stage times are very late regularly (now we have 4 drivers in finish but times for 2).

[thuGG]

Yep. Live timing is soooo f****g useless.

[wrc1600]

So, promoter still trying to push for some stupid inventions and in the same time they can't make the basic working till today...

Splits don't work regularly.
Stage times are very late regularly (now we have 4 drivers in finish but times for 2).

I don't know how they can attract more people or sponsors to WRC.

[Doon]

The rally is over for me as well. So boooooring.

Yep another dull rally, Ogier will destroy everyone.

[KKS]

So, promoter still trying to push for some stupid inventions and in the same time they can't make the basic working till today...

Splits don't work regularly.
Stage times are very late regularly (now we have 4 drivers in finish but times for 2).
Mirek, maybe u know... Teams at rally use a working splits, and shake times through some web links. Photo show that they open some page via firefox or other browser. Did u know what page they use?

[JTGANG]

Sordo in trouble too.......

[jonkka]

Did u know what page they use?

Wouldn't help as it isn't public.

[Doon]

Nice time from Meeke. He'll probably be off in the next stage.

[KKS]

Wouldn't help as it isn't public.
with authorization or works only at local network?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

I take the afternoon off to follow the rally and its 'over already'... ;)

[jonkka]

with authorization or works only at local network?

I don't know but one or the other.

[Mirek]

Now wrc.com is at least 10 minutes late with results.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

A great time for the Ford Fiesta R5 of Jari Ketomaa! He beats three WRCs to 6th place in the stage and 6th overall !

[Koceens]

Where did you get that time?

[Rallyper]

Ogier should be disqualified driving without working transponder... :)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Where did you get that time?

No time but Twitter report from M-Sport ‏@DovenbyHall 4m #VivaLaFordFiestaR5 #WRC

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Times :): http://en.best-of-rallylive.com/Evenements/Rally-Argentina-2014#ong_spec

[mousti]

The reason why I prefer so much the ERC(IRC) instead of WRC and eventhough in WRC we have a Belgian with loads of potential..

[Ucci]

And what happened to R.Kubica ?? 6 minutes off already.....

[Mirek]

I just sent an angry letter to wrc.com. It's just a farce how the live timing and splits work.

[Rallyper]

Even if all contenders would be in it would be a disgraise how the timing not appears.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

And what happened to R.Kubica ?? 6 minutes off already.....

Kubica is 1.15 down according to Rally-live...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Report that WRC2 driver Ott Tanak has crashed heavily in SS2 but is unhurt...

[rage82]

And what happened to R.Kubica ?? 6 minutes off already.....


Where did you see this time? I see only 1 min. 15 sec in o/a classification.

[Francis44]

Report that WRC2 driver Ott Tanak has crashed heavily in SS2 but is unhurt...

Damn I was hoping he had changed his ways after Sweden but I guess not.

[Dug83]

Is the WRC at rock bottom or can it get worse???

[wrc1600]

Is the WRC at rock bottom or can it get worse???

I'm affraid with promoter and such people in charge it can go a lot worse

[eestlane]

Damn I was hoping he had changed his ways after Sweden but I guess not.
He changed after Sweden. He finished in Sweden.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Where is this 6 mins off for Kubica info ?

[Doon]

This really is appaling. Firstly they need to bring Stage 1 Technology back to do the timing, I never remember it being this bad when they were running things.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

SS3 - JML faster than Ogier by 10s and leads !

[wrc1600]

This really is appaling. Firstly they need to bring Stage 1 Technology back to do the timing, I never remember it being this bad when they were running things.

And then Eurosport, back to old good times

[jonkka]

Oh, it was bad alright but this is so much worse.

[Ucci]

Look at ewrc-results.com....kubica +6:07.

34. XION Rally Argentina 20148. 5. – 11. 5. 2014 | gravel 405,10 km | Other years
WRC 2014 #5 - WRC 3 2014 #5 - WRC 2 2014 #5
Stage results Itinerary Entry list Retirement Penalty Info Stats Stage times Photos Final results

1 2 3 4 5 1.E 6 7 8 9 10 2.E 11 12 13 14 3.E

All WRC 2 WRC 3 M


All RC1 RC2 RC3 RC4


Switch on - autorefresh (90 s)
SS2 Santa Catalina - La Pampa 1 - 27.09 km - 09:08 - 9. 5. 2014
# Entry
Car Gr.
Cat. Time Diff.
Diff. pr. km/h
s/km
1. Ogier S. - Ingrassia J.
#1 Volkswagen Polo R WRC M
RC1 18:25.8 88.2
2. Latvala J. - Anttila M.
#2 Volkswagen Polo R WRC M
RC1 18:28.6 +2.8
+2.8 88.0
0.10
3. Mikkelsen A. - Markkula M.
#9 Volkswagen Polo R WRC M
RC1 18:30.2 +4.4
+1.6 87.8
0.16
4. Meeke K. - Nagle P.
#3 Citroën DS3 WRC M
RC1 18:32.5 +6.7
+2.3 87.7
0.25
5. Neuville T. - Gilsoul N.
#7 Hyundai i20 WRC M
RC1 18:34.7 +8.9
+2.2 87.5
0.33
6. Evans E. - Barritt D.
#6 Ford Fiesta RS WRC M
RC1 19:13.6 +47.8
+38.9 84.5
1.76
7. Prokop M. - Tománek J.
#21 Ford Fiesta RS WRC M
RC1 19:18.7 +52.9
+5.1 84.2
1.95
8. Sordo D. - Martí M.
#8 Hyundai i20 WRC M
RC1 21:18.0 +2:52.2
+1:59.3 76.3
6.36
9. Kubica R. - Szczepaniak M.
#10 Ford Fiesta RS WRC M
RC1 24:33.0 +6:07.2
+3:15.0 66.2
13.6
# Entry
Car Gr.

[RAS007]

Is the WRC at rock bottom or can it get worse???

Agreed, but it can always get worse.

On a related note, I see Ford are well on their way to yet another successful rally.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

[SS3] Jari-Matti Latvala (Volkswagen) 38:00.7 - Takes over 10-seconds out of Ogier "It was a good stage. For me it was surprisingly good grip, it was damp in places and was still giving good grip."


[SS3] Sebastien Ogier (Volkswagen) 38:11.0 "The drive was safe, some section were okay, still a little bit damp. Some section were very dry and in these sections I am going to lose a little bit time. But everything okay."

[jonkka]

e-wrc got wrong time for Ogier. It's his stage time, not his overall time.

[jonkka]

Or, if that is stage time, then they got Kubica's overall time and not his stage time.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

10. Kubica R. - Szczepaniak M.
#10 Ford Fiesta RS WRC M
RC1 24:33.0
+1:15.5
+8.2 81.0
2.28

[jonkka]

Now wrc.com servers have finally finished their reboot... times are on...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

1-2-3 cruise now for VW... :rolleyes:

[N.O.T]

1-2-3 cruise now for VW... :rolleyes:

Expected something different ? Did the season so far showed that anyone else had a chance apart from the VW boys ?

[Rallyper]

With this endurance quality on the cars (and drivers) there´ll be just a couple of cars to the finish on Sunday.

[dimviii]

Sordo
http://www.forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_05_2014/post-4664-0-46699400-1399645359.png

[dimviii]

Ketomaa stopped on stage..

[Gregor-y]

Broken turbo connection for Sordo? Crud.

According the WRC.com after three stages sixth place is already over two minutes off the lead. That's depressing.

[vino_93]

did none of the 2WD start ?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Expected something different ? Did the season so far showed that anyone else had a chance apart from the VW boys ?

Change the record and get a life.

Others have been on the podium in previous rounds, no VW 1-2-3's.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Østberg still waiting for crew & car to return to SP with more info. Meeke reported car looks ok, but front wheel damaged...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Tanak's car ... :(

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BnNJGG-CUAAEpUa.jpg

[Mirek]

This really is appaling. Firstly they need to bring Stage 1 Technology back to do the timing, I never remember it being this bad when they were running things.

It looks like the problem is on the wrc.com site team not the timing crew. Rally radio had all splits and times therefore the split and timing must have been working all the time. Only the wrc.com was totally useless.

[stefanvv]

Tanak's car ... :(

Crew ok?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ostberg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BnNKY7uCEAMw9xl.jpg

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Crew ok?

Yes but think he's gone to hospital for checks...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Mikko... :(

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BnNMHlUIgAAyQ4J.jpg:large

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Retweeted by Becs Williams, 'Just got information that both Ott Tänak and Raigo Mõlder are OK...'

[Sulland]

Tough rally so far, many gone.

maybe recces are not thorough enough.

[noel157]

I read that Ott didn't have his lucky charm with him .................

[Mintexmemory]

Al Attiyah showing the WRC2 guys yet again how to drive on the rough stuff. - Interesting to see how high he gets on the result board. Certainly the Championship needs a JML win to inject interest (there is no chance of it coming from anywhere else!)

[dimviii]

I read that Ott didn't have his lucky charm with him .................
WRC 2 front runner Ott Tänak will tackle the rally without the duck finger puppet that has been strapped to his car’s handbrake on every rally since 2008. He left it at home in Estonia. Fingers crossed for them both.

http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/news/may/nibs/page/1369--12-12-.html

[N.O.T]

well the outcome was the same as in the last few rallies so i cannot see how forgetting his charm did play a role.

[Rallyper]

What´s wrong with the whole show? I know there must be something.

[AP-Racing]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BnNUTB3IEAApuWL.jpg

[RAS007]

Mikko... :(

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BnNMHlUIgAAyQ4J.jpg:large

It gives me no pleasure at all to say so, but I think Mikko is finished.

[wrc1600]

http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/media/videos/page/112--80--.html

[N.O.T]

It gives me no pleasure at all to say so, but I think Mikko is finished.

no he is not...no better choices out there...

[RAS007]

no he is not...no better choices out there...

I didn't mean after this rally or even after this season; he is just no longer a threat.

[stefanvv]

RT @michelin_sport: #tyres information: Ford/Hyundai: 6 #Michelin Latitude Cross S2 - Meeke : 5 S2 - Volkswagen: 4 S2 + 2H2 #wrc #Rallyarge…

[N.O.T]

I didn't mean after this rally or even after this season; he is just no longer a threat.

for the last 4 years or so...

[dimviii]

Ogiers rim from inside
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BnNUjOgCMAAf_Ft.jpg

[jonkka]

Ogier again w/o splits...

[dimviii]

from Colins twitter

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BnMvPG2IAAAIK7Y.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BnMxqd7CAAEQoUX.jpg

The purple broken clip that's given @danisordo so many problems this morning in his left hand @hyundaiwrc

Colin Clark ‏@voiceofrally 42 λεπτά
This is interesting. The clip that failed on @danisordo's car was an aviation industry sourced part. So was the part that failed in Monte!

James Morgan ‏@JMRallying 27 λεπτά
@voiceofrally Colin I'm sorry to tell you but those clips are only used on negative pressure pipes on aircraft mainly toilet system.

James Morgan ‏@JMRallying 26 λεπτά
@voiceofrally the clip isn't suitable for high positive pressure. IMO it's been miss used. BA Aircraft Engineer and part time co driver ;)

[jonkka]

Toilet clips?

[Rallyper]

no he is not...no better choices out there...

NOT, you´re so right. Mikko will have his revenge some day...

[dimviii]

Toilet clips?

not of course!

http://www.burnsstainless.com/wiggins.aspx

[dimviii]

http://www.forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_05_2014/post-4664-0-24245200-1399658164.png

Malcolm inspecting at his own
https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/t1.0-9/10320478_711841282192260_3983688308814127151_n.jpg

[noel157]

Busy evening with the Giro and Argentina. #multitasking

[jonkka]

Except that there's just about nothing interesting in the latter...

[N.O.T]

Except that there's just about nothing interesting in the latter...

then go watch 100 drug addicts go around Italy.

[noel157]

then go watch 100 drug addicts go around Italy.

Hope the riders don't think they are in Italy this weekend..............

[jonkka]

then go watch 100 drug addicts go around Italy.

There's even less interest in that.

[AP-Racing]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_F-RjjTYRM8

[arko5]

Hyundai's stopped

[dimviii]

FRI. 09.05.2014 / 20H40
SS5 is now live and Neuville is driving slowly through the stage, must be a mechanical problem...

[SS4] Jari Ketomaa (WRC2 Ford R5) 19:38.1 "We cannot use the anti-lag on the car, it is very very difficult."

[Fast Eddie WRC]

There will only be VW's running soon at this rate ... :rolleyes:

[dimviii]

[SS5] Both Hyundai's of Dani Sordo and Thierry Neuville have stopped on the stage

[arko5]

So one VW less ;) Puncture?

[jonkka]

So one VW less ;)

What? Where? When?

[mousti]

Will there be a non WRC car on the podium sunday?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

18.2 sec faster JML takes the lead :)

Mikkelsen now stopped in the stage..

[dimviii]

Ogier 15sec slower from Latvala from 1st pass

[arko5]

Who said that is over the rally??

[T.Maanteiden kuningas]

Hanaaaaa Jari-Matti!!!!

[jonkka]

Who said that is over the rally??

Ogier will be faster tomorrow. Trust me.

[jonkka]

Meeke on podium and no brit has yet noticed it?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Meeke on podium and no brit has yet noticed it?

Not on pace, so not note-worthty.

[arko5]

Ogier will be faster tomorrow. Trust me.

I know, but everything can happens.

[dimviii]

Meeke on podium and no brit has yet noticed it?

you gonna jinx him!!

[RAS007]

Meeke on podium and no brit has yet noticed it?

Give us a chance!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Fair play, Meeke was just 1.5s down on Ogier...

[noel157]

Not on pace, so not note-worthty.

Eddie, that's not your best post...............

[Allyc85]

you gonna jinx him!!

Exactly! I dont want to jinx them! Long way to go yet :)

[A FONDO]

What will be the team orders tomorrow?

[Allyc85]

And regarding the pace, they are doing as instructed, and its working for them!

[jonkka]

Kubica hasn't crashed today?

[Rallyper]

Endurance - that f-word. JanVanvurpa didn´t wanna mention it. Now it´s high stuff! Will any car reach the finish??? (JML go for it!)

[thuGG]

Kubica hasn't crashed today?

Weren't you following the rally?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Eddie, that's not your best post...............

Just meant there's 5 WRC cars out which helps ...

But he was on pace on the last SS.. :)

[stefanvv]

Congratulations to all finished the day

[noel157]

Just meant there's 5 WRC cars out which helps ...

But he was on pace on the last SS.. :)

His job is on the line, driving accordingly.

He'll take a podium finish anyway it comes.

[dimviii]

Nasser took 1 minute from Protasov-Ketomaa

[Munkvy]

Good to see Kubica, Evans and Meeke doing as they are told and actually getting through the day. Shame that it's at the cost of any speed. But at least it's not just VW's left!

Does anyone know what has gone wrong with the Hyundais?

[andyone]

Weren't you following the rally?
did he have a moment or so?

[Mirek]

We've had plenty of discussions regarding the future of our sport. A lot of us hardcore fans have been asking for more endurance aspect in rallying. Argentina is the last event which keeps a kind of endurance spirit and after just first leg we have only six WRC cars left. Huh...

[Ucci]

Argentina took already on the first day many victims....I'm especialy disappointed for Mikko, after promissing 2.place few weeks ago I was expecting similiar performances also in South America.
About classification after 1.day: Latvala & Oggi-no need to spend words, combination of the most durable VW car and those two drivers is a healty lead after first day...
Meeke : Ok, could be better, could be also in a ditch....stay on the road and this is all....
Evans : read my comment for Meeke
Kubica : unbelievable, Robert didn't crashed ! Already this is a reason for (huge) celebration. But there are still two days, a lot of opportunities to crash.....Robert, for God's sake, stay on the road. Forget the times, don't compare them to others, just finish !! After so many retirements you might even finish under first five drivers!! Fingers crossed!!

[Gregor-y]

Does anyone know what has gone wrong with the Hyundais?
Crap connectors on the turbos, it would seem.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Tyre of JML after his big attack...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BnOFEYjCcAADIYi.jpg

Lucky to get to the end on that.

[stefanvv]

We've had plenty of discussions regarding the future of our sport. A lot of us hardcore fans have been asking for more endurance aspect in rallying. Argentina is the last event which keeps a kind of endurance spirit and after just first leg we have only six WRC cars left. Huh...

Endurance event taken as sprint event, that's the real problem here imho.

[RAS007]

Endurance event taken as sprint event, that's the real problem here imho.

+1

[dimviii]

[SS5] Jari Ketomaa (WRC2 Ford R5) 40:33.8 "No anti-lag, no windscreen wipers, the heated screen is not working… very difficult!"

[Mirek]

Endurance event taken as sprint event, that's the real problem here imho.

You are right, of course. If there was more endurance events drivers would find that change in driving style is necessary to succeed.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Maybe VW just build a stronger car. Their drivers certainly dont go easy on them...

[stefanvv]

Nevertheless it's curious turn of events. The most crashing Kubica is taking cautious approach now, well times are bad, but he is picking up some speed at second loop I believe. While the most endurable Hirvonen crashed out at 1st stage, well mistakes happen, but he has lot of experience there and has been quite fast in the past.

[stefanvv]

Maybe VW just build a stronger car. Their drivers certainly dont go easy on them...

Yes, that is true also. Looks like the suspension travel plays significant role here, which they have in advantage among other teams, especially Citroen. Perhaps Ostberg must consider that also along with changing his driving style. Hyunday, ehhh, still the weakest car.

[Nornbugger]

Endurance event taken as sprint event, that's the real problem here imho.

Is there any other option for people who want to try to win? Mikko and Mads cant be conservative or Ogier will be away in front and he seems to be a freak who can run sprint speed on any event any where. Mikko admits his error, I think Mads has enough experience now that he should have had that compression picked up on recce.

[stefanvv]

Is there any other option for people who want to try to win? Mikko and Mads cant be conservative or Ogier will be away in front and he seems to be a freak who can run sprint speed on any event any where. Mikko admits his error, I think Mads has enough experience now that he should have had that compression picked up on recce.

Yes, I think Loeb and Ogier are freaks of Nature and win the most sprinting on endurance parts of the Rallies. It requires lot of efforts to do that I believe.

[dimviii]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXrvaPCY5_8

https://www.flickr.com/photos/bestofrallylive/

[Kalm]

Tänaks crash was caused by an tehnical issue : "Ostberg had gone out there before us, and we got extra warning, so we were on a safe side there, took the jump completelly straight, but on the landing something happend with the powerstreering, it just took off my hands, and the car just turned into the forest.. " Dmacks video including onboard : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYSNY7C8-bo&feature=youtu.be

[Mirek]

It looks like the R5 are still too fragile for these events. Everybody complaining about more or less serious issues...

[Kalm]

If i remember correctly , Kangur had power steering problem in Rally Poland, the power steering like re-zerod the central position of the steering wheel during the stage and the steering wheel wasnt straight anymore, maybe something like that happend to Tänaks car also, when the car was in the air, the power steering turned the wheels left, but the steering wheel remained straight ?

[Mirek]

How could that be possible? The steering is mechanical rack and pinion type...

[bassist]

A message to Kris Meeke and Paul Nagle- can someone pass it on to them in Service.
Please, just drive cautiously and sensibly for that podium place- no point an proving anything to Jari and Seb, just bring it home- you need this finish boy`s. You can attack at the end of the season!!! Thanks, John.

[Kalm]

How could that be possible? The steering is mechanical rack and pinion type...

if its mechanical then yes, it cant be possible, I just rememberd Kangurs words in Poland and onboard view of the turned steering wheel while driving straight, but i cant find the original interview anymore, only found this from his FB page :
"We were accelerating out from the first gear corner when suddenly it threw the steering into a wrong direction and we had a small impact with a tree. Probably there were a stone in the deep line and electrical powersteering behaves very erratically in these conditions." maybe the turned steering wheel that i remembered was just an bent steering arm... i apologize for the "conspiracy theory" :)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Good work by the M-Sport boys on Mikkos car !

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BnRPoHMIIAAs7QY.jpg

[Fast Eddie WRC]

There is rain in the air - crews have left service heading to San Agustin ...

[WRC1]

Good work by the M-Sport boys on Mikkos car !

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BnRPoHMIIAAs7QY.jpg

good mechanics, good car, very good team..........bad driver :(

[jonkka]

Sordo again in problems?

[jonkka]

Quiet forum

[Fast Eddie WRC]

I've been having trouble posting...

[Francis44]

Quiet forum

Indeed. For some reason events outside of Europe do get much less attention on this forum.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ogier ' Not a perfect start to the day, lots of rocks in the road...I'm not mad, there's a Championship to win.' :rolleyes:

[Juha_Koo]

After Mikko's crash, again M-Sport "fixed a section of roll cage", like they did with Østberg last season. How is it possible in the middle of the event? Apparently it is possible to fix parts belonging to scrutineering because of new scrutineering done to Rally2 cars before they get accepted to join a new leg?

[Koceens]

Tänaks crash was caused by an tehnical issue : "Ostberg had gone out there before us, and we got extra warning, so we were on a safe side there, took the jump completelly straight, but on the landing something happend with the powerstreering, it just took off my hands, and the car just turned into the forest.. " Dmacks video including onboard : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYSNY7C8-bo&feature=youtu.be
What about the Mikko's huge crash in Finland 2010? It's seem like something similar. Of course the jump in Finland was much bigger, but still. Can't remember what was the reason there?

[vino_93]

why only 5' penalty for Mikkelsen and Neuville for their retirement, and not 10 ?

[Nornbugger]

Quiet forum

our sport is quietly dying at the top level

[jonkka]

why only 5' penalty for Mikkelsen and Neuville for their retirement, and not 10 ?

This rule was changed in last FIA WMSC meeting - for consistency.

[Frostmourne]

This rule was changed in last FIA WMSC meeting - for consistency.


So now, no matter how many stages left for that day, if you retire and get back on Super Rally, you will only lose 5 minutes, regardless of stages left to run on that day?

[jonkka]

Yes, five minutes per stage.

To simplify the regulations, a five-minute time penalty will be applied for any super special stage missed, instead of 10 minutes.
http://www.fia.com/world-motor-sport-council-friday-11-april-marrakech

[RAS007]

why only 5' penalty for Mikkelsen and Neuville for their retirement, and not 10 ?

I wish "Rally 2" would just disappear.

[RAS007]

our sport is quietly dying at the top level

Hard to disagree with this. It has been a long, slow decline which accelerated after Gronholm retired, in my opinion.

[A FONDO]

we just need better coverage. less and less people spend their time staring at text page with stage times. today I watched and will continue to watch: F1 FP3 & Qualy; GP2 Race1; Tennis Quarterfinals Men & Women. there is also some WTCC and other stuff - all of this live, mostly in FullHD and comment in my language. WRC's promoters should think about it.

[Francis44]

Latvala faster again.

[N.O.T]

we just need better coverage. less and less people spend their time staring at text page with stage times. today I watched and will continue to watch: F1 FP3 & Qualy; GP2 Race1; Tennis Quarterfinals Men & Women. there is also some WTCC and other stuff - all of this live, mostly in FullHD. WRC's promoters should think about it.

WRC coverage is far more difficult and far more expensive than broadcasting ladycups.

[dimviii]

. there is also some WTCC and other stuff - all of this live.

Loeb fan?

[dimviii]

Latvala now 21,2 sec diff from Ogier. Will he hold?

[A FONDO]

WRC coverage is far more difficult and far more expensive than broadcasting ladycups.
I (the customer) dont care about that. This is their problem. I just want to enjoy my free time.

Loeb fan?

I just saw it in the EPG but don't have time to watch it.

[N.O.T]

Good time by latvala he seems that if he doesn't hit anything he can keep ogier behind... Ogier no splits again...

[N.O.T]

I (the customer) dont care about that. This is their problem. I just want to enjoy my free time.


Then find something else to enjoy your free time... because money is running this world.

[A FONDO]

I've told you I've already found it. :D

But of course I'd want to have WRC live, I will prefer it than everything else available.

[Criterium]

Be ready for tomorrow's powerstage:

http://www.youtube.com/v/YDNftf7U_v4

http://www.interactiveinfluence.com/techali/rallyvista/rally/

[RAS007]

So now, no matter how many stages left for that day, if you retire and get back on Super Rally, you will only lose 5 minutes, regardless of stages left to run on that day?

So, Mikkelsen is currently 5 minutes and 20 seconds behind Latvala who is leading. Does this mean that without his 5 min penalty he would be in front of Ogier, who is 21.2 seconds behind Latvala? Also, if all 3 cars in front of Mikkelsen were to retire, he would be the winner, ahead of cars who have finished the entire rally? That cannot be correct, surely.

[vino_93]

Rally 2 is illogic, and against the spirit of competition... we all know that, only FIA don't know. That's always the problem with them.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Wouldnt be much for the fans to watch after day one on some events without Rally2...

[Rallyper]

What about the Mikko's huge crash in Finland 2010? It's seem like something similar. Of course the jump in Finland was much bigger, but still. Can't remember what was the reason there?

Mikko´s crash in Finland was because of broken top mounting on left front suspension after heavy landing on Urria, if I remember correctly. But there is so many mechanical parts in steering that can bring your car elsewhere than steering wheel is pointing...

[janvanvurpa]

I (the customer) dont care about that. This is their problem. I just want to enjoy my free time.


I just saw it in the EPG but don't have time to watch it.

In other words your answer is :

Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!! I don't care gimme gimme gimme gimme.."


Said like a real dedicated keyboard rally fan....

[noel157]

Wouldnt be much for the fans to watch after day one on some events without Rally2...

It has it's benefits for fans, not being able to see a a particular car/s on day one and arriving day 2 with a reduced field isn't much fun but for competition it's a farce, especially with the new 5min maximum penalty, silly.

[A FONDO]

In other words your answer is :

Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!! I don't care gimme gimme gimme gimme.."


Said like a real dedicated keyboard rally fan....

yes I am a PC fan of the WRC because I can't travel all around the world to watch it live.

what am I supposed to want then?

[RAS007]

...but for competition it's a farce, especially with the new 5min maximum penalty, silly.

This^^^. Penalty should be 10 minutes minimum, but Rally 2 shouldn't exist at all.

[Juha_Koo]

What about the Mikko's huge crash in Finland 2010? It's seem like something similar. Of course the jump in Finland was much bigger, but still. Can't remember what was the reason there?

No definitive reason was found. But Mikko's own hypothesis was that their largely new damper settings that year (Ford had even an extra testday for those settings) somehow caused the crash (=bottoming out that had an impact to steering I guess).

[KKS]

Yes, five minutes per stage.

To simplify the regulations, a five-minute time penalty will be applied for any super special stage missed, instead of 10 minutes.
http://www.fia.com/world-motor-sport-council-friday-11-april-marrakech
Regular stage is = Special Stage
Special Stage for spectators called - Super Special Stage.

That rule applies only for SSS, instead of SS

[KKS]

Loeb fan?
BTW Loeb at WTCC show how bad here are from "driver intelligent" side

[stefanvv]

This^^^. Penalty should be 10 minutes minimum, but Rally 2 shouldn't exist at all.

If Rally 2 should exists at all (I'm also not supporter of it), penalty should be calculated on km base, something like 50 seconds per km on SS, and 100 seconds per km on SSS probably.

EDIT: I think this way drivers will be more sensible to endurance aspect of the Rallies, but I could be wrong.

[Mirek]

Wouldnt be much for the fans to watch after day one on some events without Rally2...

Experience from Rallye Monte Carlo and the history of ERC/IRC speaks opposite. The events without rally2 usually have lower number of retirements than those with it.

I'm 100% against rally2. I don't mind bonus leg points like in ERC though but who retired shall be retired.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Why did they bring in SupeRally / Rally 2 in the first place - for the teams or the fans ?

I havent seen it have an adverse effect on a rally winner or championship.

All I would change is have it for stopping for mechanical issuese but not crashes...

[dimviii]

stage 6-7 video at wrc.com has moments from Meeke and Mikkelsen.

[KKS]

Start of foggy challenge... :)

[arko5]

On citroen racing splits are better

[jonkka]

Regular stage is = Special Stage
Special Stage for spectators called - Super Special Stage.

That rule applies only for SSS, instead of SS

Technically, yes. But since now it's 5 mins for each missed SSS and has always been 5 mins for each missed SS, end result is same.

[dimviii]

Ogier attacking!

edit seems a Latvala mistake between splits 1 -2

[KKS]

Looks like Ogier was beaten same water splash as Neuville

[KKS]

Technically, yes. But since now it's 5 mins for each missed SSS and has always been 5 mins for each missed SS, end result is same.
In old rules be 10min for stage if you retire on last stage of leg and 5min per stage if you retire at any other stage.

[jonkka]

In old rules be 10min for stage if you retire on last stage of leg and 5min per stage if you retire at any other stage.

Gotta check this - because if you're correct, this change is half-hearted and pointless.

[jonkka]

Ah yes. Wording on FIA press release is indeed incorrect. Updated regulations state:

For all crews which re-start a time penalty will be applied. This time penalty will be as follows:
46.2.1 For every stage or super special stage missed: 5 minutes.

[KKS]

Looks like Ogier was beaten same water splash as Neuville

We must put this water splashes everywhere where Ogier running :D