XION Rally Argentina 2014

[vino_93]

Wouldnt be much for the fans to watch after day one on some events without Rally2...

you can do Rallye 2 with a more logic and sportly way. For example, allow Rallye 2, but not in general classification. But drivers could take some day points, in order to see them restarting the race. As it's done in ERC in fact.

[N.O.T]

cruise mode now by the VW, it is good they let them fight....

[jonkka]

you can do Rallye 2 with a more logic and sportly way. For example, allow Rallye 2, but not in general classification. But drivers could take some day points, in order to see them restarting the race. As it's done in ERC in fact.

Why not in general classification?

[KKS]

Any water splashes at next stage? :D

[KKS]

I hope that stage delay due preparing water splashes at "right" water deep :)

[dimviii]

stage live with 1st split from Mikko

[dimviii]

Ogiers tyre at previous stage.Definetely Michelin factory problem.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BnTDM6qIQAEN8ia.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BnTC-seIcAEFgt6.jpg

[jonkka]

That must have happened at the end of the stage - driving with that for a long he couldn't have posted third fastest time

[dimviii]

That must have happened at the end of the stage - driving with that for a long he couldn't have posted third fastest time

yep he said 1,5km from stop at a straight.

[KKS]

no info how many km Ogier drove with this tyre?

edit: disregard

[arko5]

Mikkelsen slower

[KKS]

It's Mikko quicker. Compare to Meeke - Andreas faster as it be on prev SS

[KKS]

very good stage form Hirvo! Welldone!

[KKS]

Ogier in trouble!!! +5.5 to Mikko at split5

[WRC1]

somthing is strange between splits 4 and 5 everbody looses massive time there ..... prokop 30sec, kubica 20, even ogier 8!!??

[N.O.T]

everyone is losing huge on that split compared to mikko... even drivers who started before Ogier.

[arko5]

becouse of fog ;)

[dimviii]

becouse of fog ;)

yep mention it plenty drivers.There were 2 sections with fog.

[Francis44]

Latvala with 29 seconds for tomorrow, I think he will be able to keep it if he manages his temper.

Edit: Still missing SSS.

[jonkka]

He'll crash on SSS...

[KKS]

0.3 Mikko from stage win

[KKS]

He'll crash on SSS...
you put some special barrels for it?

[jonkka]

No - I just can't forgive Poland...

[dimviii]

SS9] Sebastien Ogier (Volkswagen) 22:54.0 "Now I had no power anymore… All the slow section I was in the safety mode. The luck was not with us, I did a small mistake. We are here, 2nd place not too bad."

[N.O.T]

now nothing can be decided by driving...only by problems.

[dimviii]

He's out of the car and inspecting the damage. One broken headlight and the complete bumper / spoiler unit missing. It seems the lack of front aero has led to engine overheating. "Nothing happened, it's just a consequence of the earlier problem. But without the bumper I have no power. In the slower sections the engine went into safety mode. I don't seem to have much luck in Argentina."

[dimviii]

strange explanations from Ogier.
till 60% of stage distance(about 22km from 39) Latvala was slightly slower.At 5th split Ogier loses suddenly 4,2 secs.
After 5th split must be about 7km to the stage stop.At these 7km he lost 1,8 second more.How is it possible to loose only 1,8 seconds with engine at safe mode for about 7 km?

[Francis44]

Funny enough, Ogier still makes the occasional mistake when under pressure. He is so calm and collected when he starts from the front already in the beggining of the rally but if he is put in the position to catch someone he clearly steps out of his comfort zone. I sure hope Latvala wins here and maybe he will start to challenge Ogier more frequently, we just might have a chance of a decent championship still.

Plus you can tell on how he speaks that the prospect of losing this rally to his team mate on speed allone is killing him a bit inside.

[KKS]

no bumper = more air
more air = more cooling
more cooling = more power

Ogier lies?

[Doon]

no bumper = more air
more air = more cooling
more cooling = more power

Ogier lies?

He probably does have a problem, when is Ogier ever slower? Or he just needs an excuse? That's why Loeb will always be king, because IF he was slower he always admitted he wasn't fast enough.

Anyway, are there any live feeds for the super special? Please!

[stefanvv]

no bumper = more air

I don't think so.

[dimviii]

SAT 16:51 - SS9: NEUVILLE'S CAR SMELLING BAD
There's a stong smell of oil in Neuville's Hyundai when he arrives at the stop control. He leaves straight away to investigate. His time isn't bad - 14sec off Hirvonen's pace. That's good enough to move him up to fifth overall.
SAT 16:48 - SS9: OSTBERG IN PAIN
"I hurt my hand really, really bad. In the ruts I got a bad kick back through the steering. My right hand is really, really painful. It's not easy to drive." That's the same hand he hurt yesterday in similar circumstances.

[Ucci]

I hope for JML to get to the finish and win Argentina. Not that I'm against Ogi, but somehowe I think JML deserves it this time. And please, please, Kubica, stay on the road....

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Anyway, are there any live feeds for the super special? Please!

Looked for one on Friday but no luck. Supposed to be on Fox Sports Latin America and Cordoba Channel 12 if you can find them ...

[Mirek]

no bumper = more air

Not necessary true. Missing bumper can cause that the air instead of going through the radiator to the bonnet windows can go over the whole engine compartment (without going in) thus reducing the cooling ability.

[KKS]

I don't know how air can through away from radiator at this bumper configuration (not at all)
http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2014/photos/vodafone_rally_de_portugal_2014/kp_39.jpg

[Mirek]

I don't know how air can through away from radiator at this bumper configuration (not at all)

For what do You think the windows in the bonnet are? They are there to allow air passing through the radiator to go out of the engine compartment. If bumper is missing the air stream may go over the radiator instead of through and create a kind of aerodynamic pocket. I don't say it must have been this case but it's a possibility. The shape of the bumper has it's meaning.

I don't know if I understand Your post correctly. Do You suggest the radiator is a kind of wall through which the air can't pass? That's wrong assumption. Such radiator would not cool a scooter engine because there is an aerodynamic pocket ahead of a solid wall moving in the air.

[bluuford]

Well bumper holes should direct the airflow to the most important places.. However, Ogier is always making things look more worse. He was not just as good in fog as Jari. That is it and he just do not want to accept it. He lost the time exactly on the same spot where everybody else lost time.

[dimviii]

from Andre Lavadinho
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BnTZ_WnCMAE0sN8.jpg:large

[dimviii]

is it a sick dog?
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BnTUy9eIIAA6YAl.jpg

[dimviii]

http://www.4tforum.gr/phpBB3/images/smilies/s5oeat.gif


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BnSsBN0IgAAI1Kc.jpg

[Doon]

Looked for one on Friday but no luck. Supposed to be on Fox Sports Latin America and Cordoba Channel 12 if you can find them ...

http://www.bizontv.com/fox-sports-latin-streaming

[A FONDO]

Funny enough, Ogier still makes the occasional mistake when under pressure. He is so calm and collected when he starts from the front already in the beggining of the rally but if he is put in the position to catch someone he clearly steps out of his comfort zone.

:laugh:

like when he needed to catch in alsace, spain, monaco... :laugh:

just a bad rally for him this time, and a very good one for JML. still a second place is a wonderful result. remember the quitter in his traditionally "uncomfortable" events - he was way down the order.

[Doon]

Who is the quitter? Loeb?

I think he won them all didn't he?

[KKS]

For what do You think the windows in the bonnet are? They are there to allow air passing through the radiator to go out of the engine compartment. If bumper is missing the air stream may go over the radiator instead of through and create a kind of aerodynamic pocket. I don't say it must have been this case but it's a possibility. The shape of the bumper has it's meaning.

I don't know if I understand Your post correctly. Do You suggest the radiator is a kind of wall through which the air can't pass? That's wrong assumption. Such radiator would not cool a scooter engine because there is an aerodynamic pocket ahead of a solid wall moving in the air.
Christian Loriaux few years ago explain on Focus for what that wholes. For remove heatfrom engine and when all aero-pieces at places they create extra downforce.
Yep some air go over radiator, but more air goes over when bumper on place. Cuz bumper aerodynamic and this air what goes up from bumper create downforce. So some % of reaching a front of car air goes to downforce and some % for cooling, goes through radiator. Without bumper all goes to radiator.

You understand not correct, radiator - not a wall. I just talking about that without bumper MORE air going through radiator instead with bumper.

[N.O.T]

Who is the quitter? Loeb?

I think he won them all didn't he?

yes of course... but why bother answering ??

[stefanvv]

...but more air goes over when bumper on place.

I don't think so.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

http://www.bizontv.com/fox-sports-latin-streaming

Yes thats the one I had on Friday but the SSS wasnt shown. The screen grab pics on Twitter seemed to show the channel name of Fox Sports 3 ...

Could be here: http://www.tv-porinternet.com/2013/04/fox-sports-3-en-vivo.html

[KKS]

I don't think so.
Something like that

Bumper - OK
http://i.piccy.info/i9/959d53f0fc3391aa9ce8ee0fc4915c2b/1399758464/231471/744543/bitmap_novyi_razmer.png

without bumper
http://i.piccy.info/i9/4706961b63685c8fd004ce4c6cbdf96d/1399758544/225679/744543/bitmap2_novyi_razmer.png

[Doon]

Because the guy seems to talk about Loeb in a disrespecting manor.....which is just juvenile

[danon]

http://www.noodls.com/view/CA59F0AE031444076665840B75B4072F9EF8296D?2921xxx13 99487954

https://www.directv.com.ar/guia/guia.aspx?type=sport

https://www.directv.com.ar/guia/EventDetails.aspx?cId=EP0050295400220004&l=S

http://www.tv-porinternet.com/2013/06/canal-fox-en-vivo-por-internet.html

http://www.tv-porinternet.com/2013/05/wwe-en-vivo-espanol-latino.html

[stefanvv]

Something like that

I see bumpers on both pictures, but both photoshoped anyway. May be I'll believe You more if I see something from aero tunnel (or whatever it is called) (though I think it is difficult to make from that point of view).

[Mirek]

KKS, I understand what You mean but since there is the "intake tube" ahead of the radiator You don't increase the area of the radiator by removing bumper. What removing bumper sure does is affecting the airflow ahead of the bumper, i.e. there might be more turbulences or in the worst case a pocket in the air flow can be created especially in high speeds. That's why I don't agree that removing bumper must make the cooling better. It may do so but it also may not. It would require a proper simulation in my opinion.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

SSS on Fox Sports 3 ! :)

http://www.tv-porinternet.com/2013/04/fox-sports-3-en-vivo.html

[KKS]

http://www.tv-porinternet.com/2013/04/fox-sports-3-en-vivo.html here works live from SSS

[stefanvv]

Could be here: http://www.tv-porinternet.com/2013/04/fox-sports-3-en-vivo.html

You're great man.

[dimviii]

a missing bumper of course will be worst for aerodynamics,but for cooling at this position rally cars have their radiators,not.I really can t understand how a missing bumper can create cooling issues.Plenty of rally cars without bumpers at stages,not a problem like this.If i remember correct Mikkelsen had lost at previous rally his bumper?
If we were talking about a f1 yes the way they have install radiators(at the sides),where they have to force the air to go inside the radiators,yes missing the side bodywork will create cooling problems.

some very nice photos from borl
https://www.flickr.com/photos/bestofrallylive/

[Fast Eddie WRC]

You guys who dont agree with Rally2 cant watch Mikko Hirvonen, Mads Ostberg, Thierry Neuville, Dani Sordo and Andreas Mikkelsen ! :D

[Doon]

Thank you!

[Mirek]

a missing bumper of course will be worst for aerodynamics,but for cooling at this position rally cars have their radiators,not.I really can t understand how a missing bumper can create cooling issues.Plenty of rally cars without bumpers at stages,not a problem like this.If i remember correct Mikkelsen had lost at previous rally his bumper?
If we were talking about a f1 yes the way they have install radiators(at the sides),where they have to force the air to go inside the radiators,yes missing the side bodywork will create cooling problems.

I think that the discussion of me and KKS was not about problems (I agree that it's not likely going to create real heating problems). KKS stated that without bumper these is more air going to the radiator which in my opinion may not be true. That's all :)

[Mirek]

You guys who dont agree with Rally2 cant watch Mikko Hirvonen, Mads Ostberg, Thierry Neuville, Dani Sordo and Andreas Mikkelsen ! :D

But we would see Nasser, Prokop, Kubica, Evans, Domingues, Saba and others on positions which they deserve since they didn't retire. My issue with Rally2 is that it is completely unfair. A rally event is not hold for 10 factory crews alone. There are dozens of other crews which shall be treated properly if one wants them to enter another WRC event again.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

And Hyundai would be happy with no cars running after day 1 so all the money they spent coming to WRC gains them nothing but bad publicity... ?

Rally2 still gives them the coverage they are in the sport for.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Everyone is tweeting MY link to the live SSS... even Seb Ogier !! :D

Sébastien Ogier ‏@SebOgier 6m
#RallyArgentina Super Special stage live streaming: http://www.tv-porinternet.com/2013/04/fox-sports-3-en-vivo.html … #WRC

[wrc1600]

And Hyundai would be happy with no cars running after day 1 so all the money they spent coming to WRC gains them nothing but bad publicity... ?

Rally2 still gives them the coverage they are in the sport for.

Agree, seems that only people behind the screens are against Rally2

[KKS]

I think that the discussion of me and KKS was not about problems (I agree that it's not likely going to create real heating problems). KKS stated that without bumper these is more air going to the radiator which in my opinion may not be true. That's all :)
I don't agree with you, but OK... for this situation more important "it's not likely going to create real heating problems" :)

[Rallyper]

Still the problem why Ogier didnt loose more time the last 7K´s having that problem, as Dimviii said. Anyone explain that???

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Latvala safely thru the SSS ;)

[Mirek]

And Hyundai would be happy with no cars running after day 1 so all the money they spent coming to WRC gains them nothing but bad publicity... ?

Rally2 still gives them the coverage they are in the sport for.

Rallying has been suffering all around the world because of the lack of entrants. How do You attract more entrants by making them third-rate ones? Go and tell eyes to eyes to 2WD boys that it's absolutely ok when they are overtaken on long stages by people sitting in service park drinking coffee.

[wrc1600]

Rallying has been suffering all around the world because of the lack of entrants. How do You attract more entrants by making them third-rate ones? Go and tell eyes to eyes to 2WD boys that it's absolutely ok when they are overtaken on long stages by people sitting in service park drinking coffee.

Those 2WD guys don't fight for overall position but best position in their class so I guess they don't care as it doesn't make any difference to them.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

SSS10
Neuville
Ostberg +0.8
Latvala +1.0
Mikko +1.2
Mikkelsen +1.7
Ogier +2.3
Meeke +6.8
Evans +8.3
Prokop +9.4

end of day two:
1 Latvala;
2 Ogier +31.2s;
3 Meeke +3m47.0s;
4 Mikkelsen +5m43.0s;
5 Neuville +6m40.9s;
6 Kubica +7m14.4s

[Mirek]

Those 2WD guys don't fight for overall position but best position in their class so I guess they don't care as it doesn't make any difference to them.

So for You there's nothing wrong when somebody who is not physically driving a stage is setting faster stage times than somebody who is actually driving there? That's beyond absurd.

It's ok if they run separate event but not if they are part of the same one - and they are.

[dimviii]

Still the problem why Ogier didnt loose more time the last 7K´s having that problem, as Dimviii said. Anyone explain that???

probably not so good notes for the fog?

[N.O.T]

Rallying has been suffering all around the world because of the lack of entrants. How do You attract more entrants by making them third-rate ones? Go and tell eyes to eyes to 2WD boys that it's absolutely ok when they are overtaken on long stages by people sitting in service park drinking coffee.

i think if you go and tell to a manufacturer that they cannot advertise their cars for another 2 days after spending millions it will have a worst effect to the sport...

I doubt the 2wd guy cares about the WRCs infront of him...

Rally2 is a great idea especially now that WRCs are hard to find in an entry.

[stefanvv]

You guys who dont agree with Rally2 cant watch Mikko Hirvonen, Mads Ostberg, Thierry Neuville, Dani Sordo and Andreas Mikkelsen ! :D

You have a point, but still if the promoter is doing it's job properly, we won't have such issues.

[dimviii]

Greg look your inbox.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxfRADNzdSY

[N.O.T]

I have sent you a reply, twice... κοιταξε λιγο αν ηρθε γιατι δεν εμφανιστηκε στα "απεσταλμενα"

[stefanvv]

I think that the discussion of me and KKS was not about problems (I agree that it's not likely going to create real heating problems). KKS stated that without bumper these is more air going to the radiator which in my opinion may not be true. That's all :)

Well, if this is farce, obviously VW have more than 1 N1 driver.

[Mirek]

Well, if this is farce, obviously VW have more than 1 N1 driver.

You post makes no sense with my quotation You put.

[dimviii]

I have sent you a reply, twice... κοιταξε λιγο αν ηρθε γιατι δεν εμφανιστηκε στα "απεσταλμενα"

ok replied.

[stefanvv]

You post makes no sense with my quotation You put.

Yes, I know, there were some dialogs about it I think, probably I should have address it to dimviii.

EDIT: but probably pointless post anyway.

[dimviii]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=X1wxmTcFHcc

[dimviii]

Ogiers polo after ss9
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BnUYNIWCQAAv-u3.jpg

[KKS]

Sordo not start today? right?

[bluuford]

Sordo not start today? right?
Sordo and Protasov are non starters today

[KKS]

From this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYT9nXNPn7g
damage to Protasov car doesn't look big. And they crash early so team can repair car.... strange. Perhaps this is due in Argentina Protasov run RRC car and with other team?

[Mirek]

Yes, I know, there were some dialogs about it I think, probably I should have address it to dimviii.

EDIT: but probably pointless post anyway.

I don't get what You speak about. Sorry

[Sladden]

This must be the first time since Latvala joined VW that he managed to outpace Ogier. Finally!!

[jonkka]

Without bumper all goes to radiator.

Wrong.

Holes in bumper direct air from larger frontal area into the radiator and thus maintain higher airflow speed through it (as with any chokepoint in a stream). Without bumper, radiator receivers cooling air only from it's own cross section area. In addition, bumper forms a duct that forces the cooling air into the radiator and without that duct, some of the incoming air bleeds around the radiator instead of going through it (there's less resistance for the air when going around).

[vino_93]

Why not in general classification?

do you find normal that a guy, who didn't compete the whole rally, would be classified in the overall classification ?

[Nornbugger]

It has it's benefits for fans, not being able to see a a particular car/s on day one and arriving day 2 with a reduced field isn't much fun but for competition it's a farce, especially with the new 5min maximum penalty, silly.

5 min per stage, perhaps you are letting your concerns that Mikkelsen will pass Meeke today cloud your thinking on the matter?

[Nornbugger]

Why did they bring in SupeRally / Rally 2 in the first place - for the teams or the fans ?

I havent seen it have an adverse effect on a rally winner or championship.

All I would change is have it for stopping for mechanical issuese but not crashes...

Without it Gronholm would have been champion in '06 I think? Loeb had 8 points with super rally on Monte

[Fast Eddie WRC]

It's cold this morning, 12°C, rain during the night, wind and fog in the stages...

Sunday Starters Hirvonen, Østberg, Prokop, Evans, Kubica, Neuville, Mikkelsen, Meeke, Ogier, Latvala.

[Mirek]

5 min per stage, perhaps you are letting your concerns that Mikkelsen will pass Meeke today cloud your thinking on the matter?

It doesn't matter who overtakes who. It's just wrong, illogical and completely absurd.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Without it Gronholm would have been champion in '06 I think? Loeb had 8 points with super rally on Monte

Didnt realise that. I did some checking myself and found 2011 Championship would have been won by Mikko Hirvonen and not Sebastien Loeb if Rally 2 had not been in place. :eek:

[Nornbugger]

It doesn't matter who overtakes who. It's just wrong, illogical and completely absurd.

Its not that I like super rally, I guess I can accept it and understand why its there, if I were to try and fix world rally as a sport it would not be on my list of things needing fixed immediately

[Fast Eddie WRC]

This was the change...

'11 April 2014 WMSC confirms amendments to WRC regulations

The FIA's World Motor Sport Council has announced a number of minor amendments to the regulations for the WRC, with the main change being a move to simplify the Rally 2 regulations.

As such, a five-minute time penalty will now be applied for any super special stage missed, instead of 10 minutes.

The WMSC also added that Rally 2 cars will also be permitted to score points in the Power Stage and that cars running under Rally 2 regulations will be re-seeded ahead of Priority 1 and Priority 2 drivers to avoid them gaining an advantageous road position.

All changes are applied with immediate effect.'

[Fast Eddie WRC]

george donaldson ‏@DonaldsonGeorge

Not a fun drive this morning out to SS11 stopline. Thick but patchy fog around Elcondor and Minaclavero stages.

[Wim_Impreza]

It doesn't matter who overtakes who. It's just wrong, illogical and completely absurd.

I completely agree. In the top 20 now, there are 9 drivers with Rally 2 (Andreas Mikkelsen, Thierry Neuville, Mads Østberg, Mikko Hirvonen, Nicolás Fuchs, Lorenzo Bertelli, Abdulaziz Al-Kuwari, Miguel Zaldivar and Ramon Torres Fuentes). That is really a farce!

Without Rally 2, Diego Domínguez, Gustavo Saba and Quentin Gilbert should be on position 8 until 10. Maybe their sponsor could add than some extra money to drive more WRC rounds when they could take World Championship points.

WRC rounds are so unfair with so many Rally 2 drivers and they are very boring the last couple of years. Next weekend looks much better with an ERC round, a round for the Czech Rally Championship, the Historic Vltava Rallye and the Sezoens Rally with almost 30 % gravel, where I will be spectating. :)

[rjbetty]

I agree with everything you guys said about superrally. I despise it with a passion. Unfair is the right word. :(

[jonkka]

do you find normal that a guy, who didn't compete the whole rally, would be classified in the overall classification ?

Monte Carlo Rally has done that most of it's existence and nobody complained.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

george donaldson - Mist and rain now descending on Minaclavero stopline. It's going to be as tough as WRC gets today for the crews...

[jonkka]

Ah - classic Argentine thriller

[KKS]

Splits have a rest day today?

[KKS]

1 min down for Mads O_O at split2

[jonkka]

Mads must really suffer from his arm...

[dimviii]

Østberg losing a lot of time - 52.3 down on Hirvonen at 12.9km

[KKS]

Finally we see steady Kubica? slowest at split2

[N.O.T]

No future for him if the only way to stay on the road is 2 days slower than the competition.. we have plenty of drivers like that, we do not need another one.

[jonkka]

Ogier not fastest? :eek:

[N.O.T]

I think it started to rain after Hirvonen went through...

[dimviii]

https://scontent-a-ams.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/t1.0-9/q80/s720x720/10352377_629459433807557_1528028149496297452_n.jpg

[KKS]

wonderful time from Mikko! Even Ogier +50 sec)))

[jonkka]

Ogier missing split 2?

[Rallyper]

I know Mikko is fast but could it be a minute wrong here? :)

[Mirek]

https://scontent-a-ams.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/t1.0-9/q80/s720x720/10352377_629459433807557_1528028149496297452_n.jpg

I don't like this HDR stuff. The action is nice but the picture still looks awful, like CGI from some game.

[KKS]

Does wrc.com upload full onboards this year? I want to see this Mikko run :)

[N.O.T]

Does wrc.com upload full onboards this year? I want to see this Mikko run :)

yes they do.

[Rallyper]

Hypothetically, but Mikko should be 10 secs from the lead if taking away his 20 min penalty from 2nd day.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

SS11: OGIER SETTLES FOR SECOND
Not over yet of course, but there's no big push from Seb to try and catch the lead. "I never push here. It’s a lottery and I prefer to just get through. It’s okay, you cannot win all the time and this proves you have to fight to win. I have no problem with that. Jari-Matti deserves it."

[N.O.T]

Hypothetically, but Mikko should be 10 secs from the lead if taking away his 20 min penalty from 2nd day.

No, because his road position would be different.

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BnWwdJGCIAAW3Bc.jpg:large

[KKS]

No, because his road position would be different.
And maybe he can't run at VW pace all first day

[Mirek]

And maybe he can't run at VW pace all first day

He tried, he crashed. Period :) We've seen plenty of stage wins by rally2 drivers on last day stages in the past...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Neuville 1m13 slower than Mikko - both Rally2...

[KKS]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HA00RH-_7U&feature=youtu.be
How Protasov want pass water splash on diagonal :(

[Mirek]

Neuville 1m13 slower than Mikko - both Rally2...

And? Neuville is probably testing some new stuff. At least it would be logical. Come on, it says nothing. If rally2 hasn't exist we would be spared of these "what if" situations.

[KKS]

Another great stage from Hirvo! (despite running on Rally2 :) )

[jonkka]

Neuville missing splits?

[KKS]

Neuville missing splits?

yep, with this kind of splits missing split time is a 98% tech glitch.

[tfp]

Which website are people using for the split times? Or have they finally made a dedicated app?

[KKS]

Which website are people using for the split times? Or have they finally made a dedicated app?

http://www.citroenracing.com/en/live-results/?id=7394&idEpr=SS12&typf=split&car=5

[jonkka]

wrc.com - when they work...

[dimviii]

ss12 fog
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BnXEDLfCIAAMZ-3.jpg

[Fast Eddie WRC]

And? Neuville is probably testing some new stuff. At least it would be logical. Come on, it says nothing. If rally2 hasn't exist we would be spared of these "what if" situations.

This - strange that Neuville isnt taking advantage of having nothing to lose by going flat out like Mikko. Wont learn much just cruising through...

[KKS]

10m visibility it's will be interesting :)

[dimviii]

. remember the quitter in his traditionally "uncomfortable" events - he was way down the order.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/113903

[KKS]

11.1sec seperate Kubica and Evans

[jarauto2]

5.1

[jonkka]

Btw, where is Ostberg`?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Crowds on El Cóndor-Copina

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BnXLhPpCAAEud5E.jpg:large

[jarauto2]

retired becouse of "Medical reasons " (hand problems)

[KKS]

Btw, where is Ostberg`?

here
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BnXKDFKIgAAGk1I.jpg

[KKS]

BT Sport will streaming Power Stage today?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

BT Sport will streaming Power Stage today?

Yep. :)

[Frostmourne]

what time will be the power stage, GMT time pls :)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

what time will be the power stage, GMT time pls :)

5pm.

[miniwintz]

20 mins from now ?

[rage82]

BT Sport will streaming Power Stage today?
I'm not sure about BT sport, but it's scheduled on ESPN UK. Here's the link:
http://cricfree.tv/espn-live-stream.php

[KKS]

BT sport site not showing too
http://sport.bt.com/watch-bt-sport-01363810618853

I doesn't like web tv, I prefer torrent tv.... try to search ESPN. Tnx. BTW on ESPN same commentators?

[ik1911]

Results from stage 11 (22,1 km ) - 1st Hirvonen 18:28,1; 2nd Mikkelsen 19:04,5 ; was a biggest gap in last few years? ( 36,4 s or 1,7 s/km) !!

This is a few example from the past :

Sanremo rally 1974 ( ss23- 5,8 km) 1st Munari 8:14 ; 2nd Alen 8:43 ( difference 29s or 5,0 s/km )
Portugal 1980 (ss33 - 42,00km ) 1st Rohrl 35,14 ; 2nd Waldegard 39:02 ( diff 3,48 min! or 5,4 s/km )
Brasil 1982 (ss 8 - 22,0 km ) 1st Rohrl 16:58 ; 2nd Mouton 18:58 ( diff. 2 minutes or 5,5 s/km )

or
Acropolis 1980 ( ss22 - 6,9 km ) 1st Vatanen 4;49 ; 2nd Kullang 5,37 (diff 48 sec or 7,0 s/km ) UNBEILEVABLE!

Have a anybody still any example?

[rage82]

BT sport site not showing too
http://sport.bt.com/watch-bt-sport-01363810618853

I doesn't like web tv, I prefer torrent tv.... try to search ESPN. Tnx. BTW on ESPN same commentators?
Not sure who will be commentating on ESPN UK.

[Mirek]

Results from stage 11 (22,1 km ) - 1st Hirvonen 18:28,1; 2nd Mikkelsen 19:04,5 ; was a biggest gap in last few years? ( 36,4 s or 1,7 s/km) !!

This is a few example from the past :

Sanremo rally 1974 ( ss23- 5,8 km) 1st Munari 8:14 ; 2nd Alen 8:43 ( difference 29s or 5,0 s/km )
Portugal 1980 (ss33 - 42,00km ) 1st Rohrl 35,14 ; 2nd Waldegard 39:02 ( diff 3,48 min! or 5,4 s/km )
Brasil 1982 (ss 8 - 22,0 km ) 1st Rohrl 16:58 ; 2nd Mouton 18:58 ( diff. 2 minutes or 5,5 s/km )

or
Acropolis 1980 ( ss22 - 6,9 km ) 1st Vatanen 4;49 ; 2nd Kullang 5,37 (diff 48 sec or 7,0 s/km ) UNBEILEVABLE!

Have a anybody still any example?

Something from elsewhere.

IRC Rally Cyprus 2010, SS10 Fioni (31,7 km): 1. Bouffier 28:08,1; 2. Thomas +1:02,5 (1,97 s/km) (as Thomas is not that known driver I name others on that stage - Al Attiyah, Feghali, Prokop, Kresta, Al Kuwari, Tarabus, Al Marri...)

[miniwintz]

Hänninen in the commentary booth ? Nice !

edit: but no helicopters so no onboards, and only 3 cameramen on the ground it seems :( it sucks :(
edit2: in fact it's Tomi Tuominen at the commentary, not Juho, but not far :D

[Mirek]

Hänninen in the commentary booth ? Nice !

edit: but no helicopters so no onboards, and only 3 cameramen on the ground it seems :( it sucks :(

Maybe helicopters can't fly along the whole stage due to the weather? It's in very high altitudes which together with fog might create quite suicidal conditions for helicopter pilots.

[miniwintz]

You are right, it is because of the weather conditions

[KKS]

Heli fly's only on VFR. It's no visibility - so no flying.

Or last section so short, or Mikko lost of time on it only +5sec to Fuchs

[KKS]

Kubica will be ahead of Evans

[jonkka]

Meeke is wise and not even trying to score - or, he has problems?

[miniwintz]

Why is Neuville so slow ? Hyundai not on par with the rest ?

[T.Maanteiden kuningas]

Just awesome Jari-Matti......HYVÄ SUOMI FINLAND, JARTSA!!!

[N.O.T]

Very nice win by Latvala...

[dimviii]

Why is Neuville so slow ? Hyundai not on par with the rest ?

broken driveshaft

[Mirek]

Heli fly's only on VFR. It's no visibility - so no flying.

There is number of IFR certified helicopters. Normally they use Eurocopter AS355 which has versions certified for IFR as well. But that's just semantics, it has no sense to fly with TV helicopter when nothing is visible. It's just pointless risk for nothing :)

[marcosg]

Well Done Kubica!! I can only imagine how hard it has been not to push... but keep it this way... at least for a while ;)

[dimviii]

Congrats to Latvala.Well deserved win.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BnXs6uXIAAE3rKo.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BnXsRurCIAAoYtj.jpg

[KKS]

Mirek you beat me on aerodynamic and aviation sides :)

[Langdale Forest]

Good win for Latvala, VW has won every rally since Australia 2013 now.

[A FONDO]

VW has won every rally since Australia 2013 now.

...and now holds the record for consecutive wins - a total of 9.

Congratulations to JML, one of his best rallies ever.

[rage82]

Do You guys have any livestreanm from the SP? I'm getting player not found?

[tfp]

http://www.citroenracing.com/en/live-results/?id=7394&idEpr=SS12&typf=split&car=5


wrc.com - when they work...

Thanks people, I gave up with the wrc.com splits!

[rage82]

Not bad, not a bad rally for Kris and Paul at all. Not as fast but consistent to keep the 3-rd place as he says at the end it wasn't easy to drive as slow but he has to. Big congrats to Kubica for his first finished rally without any mistakes in a wrc car. I was sure this will happen soon or later;). Long way to go but some boost for his confidence is welcome. He will be again fast on tarmac but will he manage to finish is a question mark. Also happy that Jari Matti managed to beat Ogier in a straight fight, hope we can see some more of this battles through the year. Now waiting for Sardegna!

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[dimviii]

Happy JariMatti
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BnYRNRoCIAA4st9.jpg

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Great win by JML - best of his career and maybe a turning point and a chance for him and us to have a real battle for the Title in the future. :)

[Allyc85]

Agreed with the above!

Great podium for Meeke, driving at the pace he needed and most of all keeping his concentration! More of the same please Kris! :D

[Mirek]

Mirek you beat me on aerodynamic and aviation sides :)

You score next time. I'm sure ;):)

[Juha_Koo]

Looks like Treier's techniques might just have a right impact to Jari-Matti, judging by the performance he delivered. Great win, one of the best in his career imho. JML has nearly always been in a mental lock after a bad result but now it was not the case.

Lets see what happens in Sardinia, it's one of his favourite rallies and the speed is there for sure but the key question in my opinion is that can he control his enthusiasm just the right amount to get the maximum flamboyant speed while at the same time remaining on the safe side.

[dimviii]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1DAeWE5ZhM

[Fergutor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8C61F4b8u2Q

My video with some of the clips I took on shakedown, maybe I'll upload some more, or all of them as usual (2011, 2012, 2013).

This rally was more than great, now let see what change with Ostberg injured, Latvala more confident and happy, Ogier with a hit to his super perfect performance, Hyundai with further proof that their cars are still not strong enough, Kubica seen that his disability is too much for some rallyes, Sordo with more and more frustrations, Meeke with confidence...

[jonkka]

The downside, championshipwise, is that despite his win JML only narrowed the gap to Ogier by five points and gap still stands at 24 points.

[thuGG]

Congratulations to JML, fantastic win!!

Also, nice to see Robert finishing the rally, hope it's a good sign.

[Ucci]

Not bad, not a bad rally for Kris and Paul at all. Not as fast but consistent to keep the 3-rd place as he says at the end it wasn't easy to drive as slow but he has to. Big congrats to Kubica for his first finished rally without any mistakes in a wrc car. I was sure this will happen soon or later;). Long way to go but some boost for his confidence is welcome. He will be again fast on tarmac but will he manage to finish is a question mark. Also happy that Jari Matti managed to beat Ogier in a straight fight, hope we can see some more of this battles through the year. Now waiting for Sardegna!

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I just want to write down some impressions over this event, but rage82 ''copied'' my minds. 100% agree with him.

[KKS]

Rally about survival, not about battle for seconds. Not pretty much what I waiting for.
Hope Sardinia will satisfy me.

[faateris]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/113919 - one more "not a big deal" for Ogier and...... I hope that will happen.
Funny how Ogier all time try to find reasons, why he didn't win this rally. :)
Total unlucky event for Ketomaa and Tanak. :(
Good rally for Meek and Kubica.
Latvala was perfect!

JA

[dimviii]

Prokop hot moment

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=sYIJPAQRsqM

[Co-driven]

Protasov rolled on the same place:
http://youtu.be/4HA00RH-_7U

[dimviii]

http://www.rallye-magazin.de/typo3temp/yag-galleries/14/54/145446_536dcfaa0.jpg
http://www.rallye-magazin.de/typo3temp/yag-galleries/14/54/145450_536dcfaa5.jpg
http://www.rallye-magazin.de/typo3temp/yag-galleries/14/54/145468_536dcfabc.jpg
http://www.rallye-magazin.de/typo3temp/yag-galleries/15/00/150063_536f18616.jpg

more
http://www.rallye-magazin.de/rallyes/wm/galerien/2014/rallye-argentinien/y/sets/rallye-argentinien-2014/rallye-argentinien-2014/1/fa8a771be581c778cf9cd30e1e37fd32/index.html

[dimviii]

Mikkos accident from another angle

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=9lRwh4uDro0

[stefanvv]

I don't get what You speak about. Sorry

My point was very, very simple. VW don't have N1 driver which is elected to win at all cost all the time. And that's how it should be.

Anyway, nothing to bother about... pointless post. Deserved win by Latvala, congratulations!

[dimviii]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPM-F5FFBAA

[SubaruNorway]

Long and enjoyable inboard with Kubica.

http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/news/may/kubica-part-1/page/1410--12-12-.html

[dimviii]

Protasovs crash from another view
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BoZlzJzCIAEcKPi.jpg:large