Rallye Deutschland 2014

[wwbroe]

Protasov had some off, some exursion in the fields

[Tom206wrc]

Oh no !!! Evans seems again faster than Östberg on this morning SS15(3" on split one) :(

Edit: 10" faster !!! :mark:

[wwbroe]

First reference time by Ostberg in 12.01.1

[wwbroe]

Evans 11.50.8 !!

[wwbroe]

Mikkelsen spun in the stage

[wwbroe]

Hirvonen is loosing almost 10 sec to his teammate, Kubica has retired.

[HaCo]

Evans doing a good job for such a young and inexperienced driver.

[Tom206wrc]

Mikkelsen spun in the stage


His first two splits are very good :confused:

[wwbroe]

Sordo 11.50.9

[Tom206wrc]

Neuville starts his attack on Meeke :mark:

[rage82]

Evans doing very good job on this stage, will be great for him if he can fight Mikko and Mads

[arko5]

Latvala off

[rage82]

Latvalla off

[wwbroe]

Neuville 11.50.5, Latvalla off !!!!!

[HaCo]

Oh my god!!!

[jonkka]

Damn

[jonkka]

If it's bad, we'll have a maiden winner...

[6789]

Oh my god, cannot believe this!

[wwbroe]

Meeke 11.46.04, taking the lead now

[MikeD]

Pff typical ... a Latvala classic. He just proved why he never will be champion. Pathetic!

Now it's up to Meeke to secure that Rally Germany stays Citroën undefeated territory ....

@NOT :) You know that there is actually a realistic chance that Hyunday will win this rally ;)

[Tom206wrc]

Meeke !!!! :eek:

[HaCo]

Capito must be crying now, again in Germany!

[HaCo]

I hope both Meeke and Neuville make it to the finish. Both deserve a win I think!!

[Rallyper]

Tragic for JML! This shouldn´t happen.

[MikeD]

Did George fra WRR just comapre Latvala with Senna? Stay of the drugs dude!

[HaCo]

Are we sure it is an off?

[6789]

Did Colin Clark just comapre Latvala with Senna? Stay of the drugs dude!

George Donaldson

[jonkka]

What an anti-climax...

[Franky]

What an anti-climax...

In story telling Latvala's solid lead was a false ending, not an anti-climax

[jonkka]

So - no VW win in Germany this year either. And no VW win in all rallies of the season. And it seems that either Meeke or Neuville will score their maiden win. If it's Meeke, Citroen magic remains unbroken, if it's Neuville it's also Hyundai maiden win.

[HaCo]

Meeke also had a big moment. Lot of pressure for the less-experienced guys in WRC.

[Frostmourne]

Seriously Jari. I thought his head is "cool" for today. Aparently his head was cool but his a$$ on fire. What a pitty. I think Latvala is not worthy to support.

I am really pissed off now.

[HaCo]

So - no VW win in Germany this either. And no VW win in all rallies of the season. And it seems that either Meeke or Neuville will score their maiden win. If it's Meeke, Citroen magic remains unbroken, if it's Neuville it's also Hyundai maiden win.

Feeling sorry for the Fins, but this scenario is however much, much better! :-)

[wwbroe]

Bouffier is trough in second stage of the day. It will be up to Meeke and Neuville to decide for the win. So Citroen is going to keep their record in this rally or is it going to be the first win for Hyundai? I would put my money on Meeke, but we will see.

[Rallyper]

Seriously Jari. I thought his head is "cool" for today. Aparently his head was cool but his a$$ on fire. What a pitty. I think Latvala is not worthy to support.

I am really pissed off now.

Now JML needs all support he can get. And I´ll support him further on. S**t happens.

[HaCo]

Bouffier is trough in second stage of the day. It will be up to Meeke and Neuville to decide for the win. So Citroen is going to keep their record in this rally or is it going to be the first win for Hyundai? I would put my money on Meeke, but we will see.

My money is on Meeke too. Neuville should keep his head cool, not the same scenario as last year please!!!

[dimviii]

unbelievable....

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BvyHUCsCAAArD3V.jpg:large

[HaCo]

On twitter:

Teemu/Rallirinki.net @HartusvuoriWRC

I'm at Latvala crash scene. It was turn before the big jump, he slid wide and the vineyard sucked him in. No roll, he drove to lower road...

[HaCo]

Evans good on splits, on pace with Ostberg.

[Frostmourne]

Now JML needs all support he can get. And I´ll support him further on. S**t happens.

I've been supporting him since 2008. But over and over, all these years, his prone to crash is really high. All the time he is talking about focus, but aparently his focus skills is equal to monkey's focusing skills.

I mean come on. Yesterday is another example of how reckless JML can be. He is in the lead with a comfortable time, 40 something seconds, and he was pushing like hell. I mean come on. No point to take risks.

That is exactly what happened today. Taking risks and driving fast. This is the result.

This is why he will never be WRC champion, this is why Ogier is better than him.

[wwbroe]

New besttime for Ostberg in 12.09.3

[wwbroe]

Evans 12.07.4

[arko5]

Meeke stopped???

[Franky]

Meeke lost rear wheel

[HaCo]

Oh my god!!!

[wwbroe]

ohh no, Meeke had a stop on stage???

[MikeD]

Uhhh N.O.T now it's a Hyundai 1-2 in the cards ;oD

[Frostmourne]

oh my God, not again!!

[MikeD]

ohh no, Meeke had a stop on stage???

He has hit a wall. Meeke is out....

[Rallyper]

I've been supporting him since 2008. But over and over, all these years, his prone to crash is really high. All the time he is talking about focus, but aparently his focus skills is equal to monkey's focusing skills.

I mean come on. Yesterday is another example of how reckless JML can be. He is in the lead with a comfortable time, 40 something seconds, and he was pushing like hell. I mean come on. No point to take risks.

That is exactly what happened today. Taking risks and driving fast. This is the result.

This is why he will never be WRC champion, this is why Ogier is better than him.

Why shouldn´t you go on supporting. You once did. Grow up!

[jonkka]

Why shouldn´t you go on supporting. You once did. Grow up!

Tired of the disappointments? I certainly am. This is worse than his crash in Poland.

[HarriK]

263

[MikeD]

It's Sordo vs. Neuville again this year ... like last year. Neuvilles turn to win?

[HaCo]

Feeling sorry for Meeke, he deserved a good result. At least he showed his pace.

Now I hope Neuville doesn't loose his head and Sordo doesn't start attacking.

[Mirek]

And now the funny part comes... can You imagine what a Hyundai double in Germany (if they keep it till the end) means for VW management? :D

Pity for Latvala and Meeke but the rally end at the finish line...

[Frostmourne]

Why shouldn´t you go on supporting. You once did. Grow up!

Ok. I will. Thanks for the priceless advise. I'll take it with me to the grave.

[jonkka]

And now the funny part comes... can You imagine what a Hyundai double in Germany (if they keep it till the end) means for VW management? :D

You're right, that's salt into wounds...

[Eli]

damn you meeke!!!! damn it....so disappointed

[wwbroe]

Neuville is trough in besttime, taking the lead now, will he hold on to it?

[HaCo]

Neuville at the finish. Two more stages to go... pff, stress!!! :-)

[Eli]

yes, he won't make the same mistake like last year...

[jonkka]

Also, Evans has been much faster than Mikkelsen and now only 8,5 down on him. Which will take 3rd?

[Rallyper]

And now the funny part comes... can You imagine what a Hyundai double in Germany (if they keep it till the end) means for VW management? :D

Pity for Latvala and Meeke but the rally end at the finish line...

The funny thing is that now we might have team orders for last two stages...

[Astro83]

This really sucks!!!! 3 disappointment this rally,

1th Tidemand puncture

2th JML gone off, wtf!?!

3th Meeke....

:(

[jonkka]

The funny thing is that now we might have team orders for last two stages...

Nope - there's too much gap between Neuville and Sordo so they won't fight. Sordo isn't that stupid.

[HaCo]

The funny thing is that now we might have team orders for last two stages...

You probably mean logic. Gap is almost 40secs now.

[rallyfanbelgium]

Robert Kubica Panzerplatte SS10 , verry hot moment!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wysDkHFp6JE

[HaCo]

Also, Evans has been much faster than Mikkelsen and now only 8,5 down on him. Which will take 3rd?

I really hope the young Brit can catch Mikkelsen.

[wwbroe]

So the winning strike of Citroen team is over in Deutschland, might well be a one-two for Hyundai in VW ground. Looks like Germany is not a good place for Volkswagen.

[Frostmourne]

26 seconds gap?? Team orders??.

[MikeD]

Biggest winner today has to be Ogier. He is still 44 points in front with 112 points up for grabs in the remaining 4 rallies. He now looks like a pretty safe double champion.

[jonkka]

It's also end to a streak: 12 consecutive wins by VW.

[Eli]

Biggest winner today has to be Ogier. He is still 44 points in front with 112 points up for grabs in the remaining 4 rallies. He now looks like a pretty safe double champion.
yep, latvala pretty much binned it, so no Citroen on the top step of the podium for the first time in 13 years...

[JTGANG]

Sure not only from pure speed but my prediction for possible win of Hyundai in German seems that come true...

[Rallyper]

26 seconds gap?? Team orders??.

Well, yes, or better orders not to chase. You never know what a spaniard do when having a win in sight and two slippery stages to go... ;)

[MikeD]

Sure not only from pure speed but my prediction for possible win of Hyundai in German seems that come true...

Yep, N.O.T ows you a massive bottle of champagne :) ...

[wwbroe]

26 seconds gap?? Team orders??.

The gap is 35.7 seconds

[Frostmourne]

Well, yes, or better orders not to chase. You never know what a spaniard do when having a win in sight and two slippery stages to go... ;)

Oh, thanks for the clarification, things are much clearer now to me. I think I have grown up!!

[dimviii]

Kubica?

[litifeta]

there goes my pickems

[dimviii]

Kubica?

M-Sport @MSportLtd · 1 ώρα
Unfortunately, Robert has been forced to retire on the liaison to SS15 with a transmission issue. Gutted for the Pole who was driving well.

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BvyMB4WIQAAUZaU.jpg:large

[Lundefaret]

I feel really sorry for Latvala and Meeke. Tough they both have som issues regarding risk management, they have driven a fantastic rally until their missfortunes.
Being of the "Nose End First" school, neither driver is a favorite of mine style wise, because of the tendences to retain speed rather than invest and accelerate, but Latvalas rally Finland was incerdible to watch. He has been a real force in Germany, and have showed new found form. But there is preassure with being in the lead. Knowing that You are going to not only take Your first tarmac win, but also close the gap in the championship to around 20 points, bringing the fight back on.
Meeke also incredible in Finland, and likewise here. I tought that an of in the very start would contain him a little, but a win in sight can mess with Your head.
They have both put real color to this rally, and for that I salute them!

Regarding Hyundai, if Neuville and Sordo can keep it on the black stuff for the remaining stages, it will be a terrific result for them. Their Rally HQ is situated in Germany, so a "home" victory. They will get massive media, wich is important for their continoued effort in the WRC. I am sad on the behalf of Latvala and Meeke, but equally happy o the behalf of Hyundai (as long as they stay on the black stuff;))

As Finland, this has been and is an incredibly exciting rally, and thats without shootouts or other artificial injections, and I am greatfull for beeing a big fan of what is regaining its place as the greatest motorsport on earth. Wow, what a rally!

There are som loosers here and there are some winners, but the biggest winner is the sport of the WRC it self, and thats the most important win of all.

And one more thing: Can we now agree on the Hyundai being a winning car?;)

[HaCo]

Although he made a mistake, Meeke was unlucky not to escape from it:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BvyK7W8IIAAFvdY.jpg

Looks like he could continue, but the wheel must have fell off.

[MikeD]

I feel really sorry for Latvala and Meeke. Tough they both have som issues regarding risk management, they have driven a fantastic rally until their missfortunes.
Being of the "Nose End First" school, neither driver is a favorite of mine style wise, because of the tendences to retain speed rather than invest and accelerate, but Latvalas rally Finland was incerdible to watch. He has been a real force in Germany, and have showed new found form. But there is preassure with being in the lead. Knowing that You are going to not only take Your first tarmac win, but also close the gap in the championship to around 20 points, bringing the fight back on.
Meeke also incredible in Finland, and likewise here. I tought that an of in the very start would contain him a little, but a win in sight can mess with Your head.
They have both put real color to this rally, and for that I salute them!

Regarding Hyundai, if Neuville and Sordo can keep it on the black stuff for the remaining stages, it will be a terrific result for them. Their Rally HQ is situated in Germany, so a "home" victory. They will get massive media, wich is important for their continoued effort in the WRC. I am sad on the behalf of Latvala and Meeke, but equally happy o the behalf of Hyundai (as long as they stay on the black stuff;))

As Finland, this has been and is an incredibly exciting rally, and thats without shootouts or other artificial injections, and I am greatfull for beeing a big fan of what is regaining its place as the greatest motorsport on earth. Wow, what a rally!

There are som loosers here and there are some winners, but the biggest winner is the sport of the WRC it self, and thats the most important win of all.

And one more thing: Can we now agree on the Hyundai being a winning car?;)

Oh put a sock in it. Nobody is asking for your page long comment on every issue as if you were some kind of expert.

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BvyYw75CIAESY9o.jpg:large

[dimviii]

http://images.wrc.com/News/3688_germany-latvala-vines-2014_764_944x531.jpg?1408863342

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Just woke up and totally gutted to see what's happened.. :(

I said before this rally punishes mistakes hard... but this is cruel.

[Eli]

they must be crushed like their cars...i think Meeke can take the offer now from Malcolm since he will be off the leash from Yves.it's pretty sad as he was going for a win, and now it's in the bin and Ostberg will (might) finish 6th, at least VW might not win their title here. and a massive boost for Hyundai (if they get to the finish)and a massive boost for Dani to keep his seat for next year.

[Brother John]

Robert Kubica Panzerplatte SS10 , verry hot moment!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wysDkHFp6JE

Unfortunately for Meeke but I have not a problem that Citroën would not end the Rally today......

[HaCo]

they must be crushed like their cars...i think Meeke can take the offer now from Malcolm since he will be off the leash from Yves.it's pretty sad as he was going for a win, and now it's in the bin and Ostberg will (might) finish 6th, at least VW might not win their title here. and a massive boost for Hyundai (if they get to the finish)and a massive boost for Dani to keep his seat for next year.

Depends, maybe Yves asked him to push for victory.

[Eli]

Depends, maybe Yves asked him to push for victory.

we will see in the final press conffrence

[Wim_Impreza]

Who said here a few years ago tarmac events are boring? Always in this rally, there are unpredictable things that happen. :)

Lundefaret, your words and sentences are very good. Nice to see that there are quite a lot of Norwegians that follow rally close after the Petter Solberg period.

It is indeed not easy to still be a fan of Jari-Matti Latvala due to his mistakes, but he has his very fast days and - as important for me - he is such a friendly person.

[Rallyper]

Oh, thanks for the clarification, things are much clearer now to me. I think I have grown up!!

You absoutely have. And it was fast growing. ;)

[EightGear]

Citroen would be crazy to drop Meeke. What alternatives do they have?

Just woke up and must say I'm quite shocked with the news of this morning! The problem with both JML and Meeke is you don't know how they will handle it psychologically as well, they both must be devestated. But after all it's their own fault...
Would have loved to see a championship battle emerge after a this year, but Jari threw it away. Let's hope Hyundai can keep it together and Evans can catch Mikkelsen.

[dimviii]

Bouffier incar crash
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=H5RDISVwLhc

[WUff1]

Would be terrific for Neuville and Hyundai - his home rally and also home rally of the team!

Bouffier was dissapointing - but I don´t know if he had to drive with gravel gearbox all the rally and if his aim was to test the car with gravel gearbox on tarmac.

[Eli]

Citroen would be crazy to drop Meeke. What alternatives do they have?

yes they would be crazy but sometimes they can be stupid, although really i don't see they have any alternatives-(no way they will go back to Hirvonen or Sordo, Mikkelsen is still with VW and so is Ogier & Latvala, Hyundai are all fetched either and Evans will stay with M-Sport so...)

[Lundefaret]

Oh put a sock in it. Nobody is asking for your page long comment on every issue as if you were some kind of expert.

Where exactly does the sock go?;)

[HaCo]

Bouffier was dissapointing - but I don´t know if he had to drive with gravel gearbox all the rally and if his aim was to test the car with gravel gearbox on tarmac.

Unfortunately he didn't impress in France, national rally, either. Where did you that he is running with gravel gearbox?

[dimviii]

Where did you that he is running with gravel gearbox?

he quoted that at a stage stop

[Lundefaret]

Who said here a few years ago tarmac events are boring? Always in this rally, there are unpredictable things that happen. :)

Lundefaret, your words and sentences are very good. Nice to see that there are quite a lot of Norwegians that follow rally close after the Petter Solberg period.

It is indeed not easy to still be a fan of Jari-Matti Latvala due to his mistakes, but he has his very fast days and - as important for me - he is such a friendly person.

Latvala is a very sympatetic person, and a driver You know is rally trough and trough, driving the Lahti historic on his "off" time, restoring rally cars with his father, and just being obsessed with going fast. In Finland he was both "Nose End First" and "Latvala-fast", and it was great. Is it one guy I really would like to win it is Latvala!
And I feel kind of sorry for him, because he takes theese offs so emotionally. I am afraid that this will have him back in " safe mode". He must keep pushing, he is in brilliant form - and the championship needs it!

I have to say the same about Kris Meeke. He is such a caracter, and a very friendly guy, totally commited, and a complete joy to talk to. And he brings color to the championship with his playfull comments vs Ogier.
I think that Meekes speed here in Germany has made his seat in Citroën safer. And I hope we see Citroën running the same two drivers in 15.

[Eli]

i must say this situation reminds me Japan 2007, where Loeb went out and the end of the same day, Gronholm was out to, i think (unless Ogier isn't done with his mistakes for this year) from here till the end of the season the path is layed out for Ogier. one more thing finally VW's winning streak is over, and History will be made (if they make it to the finnish) first time Hyundai win and a first for Neuville, and first time no Citroen on the podium :(

[Langdale Forest]

This is just like the time in Corsica in 2003 when Solberg crashed on shakedown and went on to win the rally. Nueville has almost done the same thing.

[HaCo]

Has anyone find a video of the GT86?

[Eli]

This is just like the time in Corsica in 2003 when Solberg crashed on shakedown and went on to win the rally. Nueville has almost done the same thing.

yes also that

[Langdale Forest]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BvyHj3AIMAABZDF.jpg

[GallardoGT]

SS15 Dhrontal 1, second split:

M. HIRVONEN 00:06:02.6
A. MIKKELSEN 00:05:56.0
D. SORDO 00:05:59.1
T. NEUVILLE 00:05:56.5
K. MEEKE 00:05:56.0
J. LATVALA 00:05:56.4

Seems Latvala did not push irresponsible, concentration problem I'm afraid.

[GallardoGT]

Well on the the other hand, the others where pushing like hell. I don't know.

[Langdale Forest]

i can imagine Kris meeke saying, "that's my career over" again.

[Wim_Impreza]

Jonkka or another men/women who has WRC statistics: When was the last time that we had 3 different leaders in the final day of a WRC rally?

[MJW]

i can imagine Kris meeke saying, "that's my career over" again.
No, I think Kris' seat at Citroen is safe next year, now Mads thats a different story.

[Wim_Impreza]

No, I think Kris' seat at Citroen is safe next year, now Mads thats a different story.

Mads still has more points than Kris in the championship.

[RJM]

i can imagine Kris meeke saying, "that's my career over" again.

He shouldnt be saying that though, hes the 3rd fastest driver in the championship at moment with less experience than the others.

[Lundefaret]

i can imagine Kris meeke saying, "that's my career over" again.

I think Kris has impressed big time both in Finland and Germany, so his position should be quit safe. I think he actually could end up in a bidding war (a low scale one) between M-Sport and Citroën.

[skarderud]

Regarding mads next year, i think he will be in Citroën then too. He has had a open approch that he adapt to the car, not other way around. He have to deliver on the last gravelrallies, and show that he is closer to the best on tarmac.
And, he drives for free.

[wwbroe]

Penultimate stage will start in one minute with Bouffier first on the road.

[JieM]

Video best of ADAC Rallye Deutschland 2014 -> http://youtu.be/cdqc99KfR0g

[wwbroe]

Bouffier trough in 11.59.9

[Tom206wrc]

Unfortunately for Meeke but I have not a problem that Citroën would not end the Rally today......


Return of the french basher :rolleyes:

[SubaruNorway]

Free link for the live stage later on? For us who can't get WRC+, legally anyway.

[jonkka]

Jonkka or another men/women who has WRC statistics: When was the last time that we had 3 different leaders in the final day of a WRC rally?

Too difficult SQL query to build right now and I don't remember the answer off hand. Sorry

[HaCo]

ewrc-results is down, lot of excitement apparently :-)

[wwbroe]

Ostberg 11.44.4

[HaCo]

VW-ninja:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BvysDrSIQAA0OlU.jpg

[Wim_Impreza]

Too difficult SQL query to build right now and I don't remember the answer off hand. Sorry

No problem, thanks for your answer.

[wwbroe]

Evans 11.41.1

[satukata]

VW-ninja:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BvysDrSIQAA0OlU.jpg

Sorry for JM, but nice to see others on top than vw

[HaCo]

Evans faster underway than Ostberg... again.

[HaCo]

Funny...
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BvyvIBZCcAA53VU.jpg:large

[wwbroe]

Hirvonen 11.36.4, very good time for Miko

[HaCo]

M-Sport ‏@MSportLtd 19 min
@HyundaiWRC Best of lucks guys! Fingers crossed for you and our old friends @thierryneuville and @nicolasgilsoul! #WRC #RallyFriends

Very nice of MSport! Hope to see them back in competitive form very soon. Meeke to Ford would be great.

Ford left Pipo, Hyundai joined Pipo motor tuner.

[wwbroe]

Mikkelsen trough in 11.39.7

[satukata]

Mikko have car now in perfect setup.. maybe too late!? more testing needed? (Finnish interview in WRC radio)

[darkstar]

on servus tv you can watch the powerstage live, i think it will work from all countries...

http://www.servustv.com/de/Live

http://www.servustv.com/de/Medien/Rallye-WM-2014-LIVE2

[wwbroe]

Mikkelsen leaking some brakefluid, problem for him???

[HaCo]

on servus tv you can watch the powerstage live, i think it will work from all countries...

http://www.servustv.com/de/Live

http://www.servustv.com/de/Medien/Rallye-WM-2014-LIVE2

Thanks for sharing! It works in Belgium.

[wwbroe]

Sordo is trough in 11.42.5

[satukata]

I hope FORD boy to podium!!

[wwbroe]

Rallyleader Neuville is in 11.41.2

[darkstar]

Thanks for sharing! It works in Belgium.

you´re welcome!

[satukata]

FASTEST TIME FOR MIKKO on TARMAC!!! great MIKKO at last!

[wwbroe]

One more stage to go now, who will fight for PS points?

[satukata]

thanks. works in finland too now...

[satukata]

My bet is Thierry to win PS or Mikko!

[HaCo]

One more stage to go, FINGERS CROSSED!!!

[EightGear]

You know the rest is cruising when Mikko takes a stagewin.

[litifeta]

Germany a fight to the final km. As always. what a great rally. Mikkelsen leaking fluid, Mikko only 5 seconds behind Elfyn for a podium. This final stage is going to be a Thriller ...

[Rallyper]

The way things happened I really want Hyudai to have double. But remember Mikko and JML having an 1/2 in NZ and both threw away that on last stage, wasn´t it?

[jonkka]

One more stage to go now, who will fight for PS points?

Neuville, Sordo, Evans. Mikkelsen maybe.

[HaCo]

Evans for third would be awesome!!!

[Rallyper]

A puncture for Tanak now and justice have been made... ;)

[satukata]

Pontus Tidemann is going to win WRC2!! or Ott? GOOD Fight

[HaCo]

WRC2 is also exciting to the finnish. Will Tanak catch Maurin?

[jonkka]

The way things happened I really want Hyudai to have double. But remember Mikko and JML having an 1/2 in NZ and both threw away that on last stage, wasn´t it?

Yes, 2008. I had already forgotten that.

[HaCo]

Maurin loosing +1:45.8 on split! :(

[satukata]

Sweden looks to have future star of tarmac!! Pontus only 6s behind OTT!

[HaCo]

The broadcast started on ServusTV!

[jonkka]

All I see are polar bears and penguins in a zoo

[HaCo]

All I see are polar bears and penguins in a zoo

It was just a quick preview, sorry. :-)

[wwbroe]

Rallybase not showing any times of stage 17, at least it doesn't work for me.

[Kalm]

A puncture for Tanak now and justice have been made... ;)

I think Pontus dosent need a puncture for Tänak... its Dmack vs Michelins, like the last stage in Rally Sweden this year with Kruuda vs Ketomaa...

[Francis44]

Anyone able to see anything on WRC+? Just a still image of Hyundai's service for now.

[wwbroe]

Now servustv is working, they show some images of the offroads of Ogier, Latvalla and Meeke

[darkstar]

yes, same for me with wrc+

[miniwintz]

same here, we'll probably have to wait a little more

[EightGear]

Now servustv is working, they show some images of the offroads of Ogier, Latvalla and Meeke

Meeke's off looked quite stupid TBH. Looks like he came in too fast.

[smsgrafica]

During the ServusTV interview, Jost Capito repeatedly blames JML for his error. That was really heavy stuff from the VW Boss!

[wwbroe]

Meeke's off looked quite stupid TBH. Looks like he came in too fast.

I was thinking exactly the same thing i must say

[Salist]

The WRC+ live coverage does not work at this moment!

[EightGear]

WRC+ is working now.

[raybak]

WRC+ working now!!

[wwbroe]

The WRC+ live coverage does not work at this moment!

Look at ServusTV link

[6789]

WRC+ live stage is up and running now.

[jonkka]

During the ServusTV interview, Jost Capito repeatedly blames JML for his error. That was really heavy stuff from the VW Boss!

It must hurt to lose 1-2 win to a rival whose HQ is in same country even...

[HaCo]

Is WRC+ in HD?


Not the best commercial for VW on German television: mostly crashed VW's :D

[FUNKYXXXXX]

on servus tv you can watch the powerstage live, i think it will work from all countries...

http://www.servustv.com/de/Live

http://www.servustv.com/de/Medien/Rallye-WM-2014-LIVE2

Works fine in Greece. Thanks for sharing.
;)

[car]

Meeke off was incorrect pace note. Not driver error.

[HaCo]

Livestream stopped :( :(

[HaCo]

I hope they show the 0-car (Isolde!)

[jonkka]

So it did...
Didn't even understand german error message it showed...

[jonkka]

Dieses Video ist zur Zeit nicht verfügbar.

Bitte versuchen Sie es zu einem späteren Zeitpunkt erneut.

[litifeta]

If I was Mikko or Elfyn I would be spinning as much mud on the road as I could.

[litifeta]

Dieses Video ist zur Zeit nicht verfügbar.

Bitte versuchen Sie es zu einem späteren Zeitpunkt erneut.

please try again later

[EightGear]

Bouffier!!!!!!!!!

[6789]

Wow! Bryan off!

[jonkka]

please try again later

Yeah, I pasted it to Google Translate and got same answer... Maybe their IT support noticed that we are watching and blocked it... :)

[SubaruNorway]

Seems like they've locked the Serveus one, another link http://cricfree.tv/live/watch/world_rally_racing_rally_deutschland/51595

[litifeta]

Bouff gone

[FUNKYXXXXX]

Dieses Video ist zur Zeit nicht verfügbar.

Bitte versuchen Sie es zu einem späteren Zeitpunkt erneut.

same problem for me.

[jonkka]

Thanks, that's better link as coverage is in english

[HaCo]

Yep, thanks a lot!

[FUNKYXXXXX]

Thanks, that's better link as coverage is in english

Anybody with a link for the powerstage ???????????????

[jonkka]

See couple posts back

[jarauto2]

http://www.vipleague.me/motorsports/244418/1/fia-world-rally-championship---adac-rallye-deutschland-(power-stage)-live-stream-online.html

[Eli]

damn WRC+ less reliable than Latvala!!!

[COD]

WTF.? I wake up, and it's Hyundai 1-2? What the heck happened?

Not that I should be surprised as 1-2 yesterday was the two most unreliable drivers in the champinship

[N.O.T]

You cannot teach old dogs new tricks, for Meeke ok he was pushing and it was part of the game... but latvala ?? come on !!! Amazing result for Hyundai !!!!

[Nornbugger]

Evans would have to be my driver of the weekwnd, power stage points for him too, delighted for him

[COD]

Evans would have to be my driver of the weekwnd, power stage points for him too, delighted for him

It just underlines, how pathetic Hirvonen really is

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Elfyn Evans wins the PS - amazing !!! :)

[jonkka]

Evans wins PS?!

[Tom206wrc]

Why Moffett didn't start SS18 :confused:

[Micke_VOC]

Great result from Hyundai !! And powerstage-win for Evans !!

Now i am waiting for the big battle between Tänak and Pontus... Tänak only 6s ahead of Tidemand before last stage =)

[Lundefaret]

Congratulations to hyundai!!!

Congratulations to Neuville!!!

What a rally!!!

[Rallyper]

A big congrat to neuville and sordo for a great rally and historic win!!!!

[jonkka]

Evans wins PS?!

Have to quote myself. His first stage win and that comes on power stage. Incredible.

[Nornbugger]

It just underlines, how pathetic Hirvonen really is

You really are a ray of sunshine today, Mikko is a decent no. 2 driver, he was never anything else and he still would be a decent no2. If I were a team boss with the choice of all drivers I'd choose Ogier and Mikko for the two seats

[Francis44]

Congrats to Neuville and Nicolas, also for Hyundai, this must be very encouraging for them to push foward and improve the new car.

[Wim_Impreza]

What a historic day for the WRC, Hyundai, Neuville/Gilsoul and Belgium.

Now I just hope that this win will be big in the newspapers tomorrow, but I am not so sure about it as it is also the boring Belgian F1 GP...

Also congrats to Elfyn Evans for his great performance.

[Andre Oliveira]

1. Latvala, Jari-Matti FI 22 years 313 days 2008 Sweden
2. Toivonen, Henri FI 24 years 86 days 1980 Great Britain
3. Alen, Markku FI 24 years 156 days 1975 Portugal
4. Ostberg, Mads NO 24 years 173 days 2012 Portugal
5. Duval, Francois BE 24 years 359 days 2005 Australia
6. McRae, Colin GB 25 years 2 days 1993 New Zealand
7. Salonen, Timo FI 25 years 345 days 1977 Canada - Quebec
8. Kankkunen, Juha FI 26 years 6 days 1985 Safari
9. Bacchelli, Fulvio IT 26 years 69 days 1977 New Zealand

For my calcules, Neuville equals Bacchelli being 9th on youngest winners.

10. Hirvonen, Mikko FI 26 years 89 days 2006 Australia
11. Ogier, Sebastien FR 26 years 164 days 2010 Portugal

from juwra.com

[Nornbugger]

Congratulations to hyundai!!!

Congratulations to Neuville!!!

What a rally!!!

Congratulations indeed, all cars are equal ;-)

[Tom206wrc]

18" between Lefèbvre and Riedemann with the 19km long stage left to go :)

[HaCo]

What a historic day for the WRC, Hyundai, Neuville/Gilsoul and Belgium.

Now I just hope that this win will be big in the newspapers tomorrow, but I am not so sure about it as it is also the boring Belgian F1 GP...

Keep on dreaming.

[N.O.T]

Great event overall for Evans !! the PS was the cherry on top !

Latvala is a very weak guy mentally... it is a real shame.

[HaCo]

Fantastic!!!! Proud to be a Belgian!

[Eli]

well done for Evans, Sordo and Neuville, shame for Meeke, and let's see how and if VW control the game next time down under

[Andre Oliveira]

Great!!! Tidemand

[EightGear]

Congratulations to my neighbours on the south, Neuville deserved a win and finally he got one.

[wwbroe]

I must say it was a really nice coverage on power stage by ServusTV. Great victory for my fellow countryman Neuville and Gilsoul. Very good for Hyundai as well, they did great job after 6 time roll on thursday at shakedown. pitty for Meeke and Latvalla, but that is rally i guess. Looking forward to more evnets of this kind.

[Astro83]

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


PONTUS!!!!!!!! FUCKING GREAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

what a awesome drive!!!

[Tom206wrc]

Tidemand wins WRC2 for 1" :)

[wwbroe]

Congratulations to Tidemand for a well deserved victory in WRC2. Tanak had also a good weekend, but i think tyres were his major problem.

[jonkka]

For my calcules, Neuville equals Bacchelli being 9th on youngest winners.

He is ninth youngest alright but is one day younger than Bacchelli.

[Tom206wrc]

Lefèbvre wins JWRC for 9" :bounce:

[Andre Oliveira]

He is ninth youngest alright but is one day younger than Bacchelli.

Ups ;)

[Lundefaret]

Quick and very informal analyzing of the drivers based on the footage of the testing:

I have given scores based on speed and risk level, where a 10/10 would be the perfect score.
The speed would indicate the possible pace, and the risk the possibility for keeping up that speed during the whole event.

First: A lot of very good driving. So the fight for the second place could be a close one;) Of course limited footage, so this is only based on what was available, but could give a reasonable prediction.

VW:
- Ogier in a class of his own. He is a VERY strong favorite for the win. Especially if the weather turns wet. 9.0/8
- Latvala looks on the pace, but not as precise as Ogier. But clearly on a mission. The trick, as always, for Latvala is what has the win in Finland done for his psyche, will this be good or bad? Could fight for second. 8.7/7
- Mikkelsen. Looks very good, should be in the fight for the podium. 8.0/6

Citroën:
- Meeke should be strong, but can equally end up in the wine ranks. So its a fight for the podium, or taking the extended tour;) 8.5/5
- Østberg surprisingly good, although limited footage, and only dry weather. But I don't think I have seen him so Loeb-ish on tarmac before - could we be in for a surprise? 8.0/9

Hyundai - I think Hyundai could make a very positive result.
- Sordo, looks very good. Has been a little unprecice at a previous tarmac test, but looked better now. But the footage was not the best to make the call. But could be in for a podium fight. 8.7/7
- Neuville. Looks very strong, but a bit to eager. Will have to pace him self on the second run trough in the dry, and always in the wet. 8.0/5
- Bouffier. Tough very good, nothing is to be expected. A difficult rally, and every sound progression will be a victory in it self.

Ford:
- Hirvonen, looks surprisingly good, and precise. Could also fight above what have become expected of him this season. 8.0/9
- Evans. Have a very high risk of understeering off on the second runs, or in the wet. 7.0/3
- Kubica. Sometimes fast, but also unprecice and high risk. Will be quick in the dry, but quick and unsafe in the wet. 8.0/3

Speed ranking:
9.0:
Ogier

8.7:
Latvala
Sordo

8.5:
Neuville*
Meeke*

8.0:
Mikkelsen
Østberg
Hirvonen
Kubica*

7.0
Evans*

*High Risk

So how did this pan out?

Regarding speed and risk:
Ogier:
- Seeed: Was fastest, so correct.
- Risk: Way off on the initial analysing, but picked up on it during the event. I should have taken 2013 in account. BIG mistake by me!

Latvala:
- Speed: Correct.
- Risk: Way off! Again my mistake.

Sordo:
- Speed: Sordo was fast, but Neuville faster, so almost correct, but correct about the speed of the Hyundais.
- Risk: Correct.

Neuville:
- Speed: Almost correct, should have been placed above Sordo.
- Risk: Correct. Judged him as high risk, and he went of on SD. Half jokingly said that he could repeat the efforts of Petter Solberg on Corsica in 2003, wich he did. Congratulations!

Meeke:
- Speed: Correct.
- Risk: Correct. Had a spin the first day, hoped that would be it, but went of on the last day...

Mikkelsen:
- Speed: Correct
- Risk: Correct. Judged him 6/10, and he did have a moment destroying a wheel.
Said he was going to fight for a podium, he ended up third, so correct.

Østberg:
- Speed: Correct when it was all dry, but he has bigger difficulties in the wet/when there is mud on the tarmac than I expected. Not the positive surprise I visioned.
- Risk: Correct

Hirvonen:
- Speed: Half correct, actually tought it would be a chance of him going faster.
- Risk: Correct

Kubica:
- Speed: Correct
- Risk: Correct

Evans:
- Speed: Started correct, but he had a great progression trough the event, congratulations!
- Risk: The testing was some of the worst I have ever seen (and thats not taking in account his off), and I was dead certain he would understeer of at SS2. But boy did he prove me wrong!

Hyundai: Predicted a very positive result for Hyundai, and I think we can agree that that was correct.

Conclusion:
Speed: Judgements of speed based on testing footage was quite precise.
Risk: Judegement of risk based on testing footage was a lot less precise.
Overall: Not bad - I think, but have to work on the risk factor.

[wwbroe]

I intend to agree on most facts with you, but i am not so sure that all cars are equal. :-)

[Eli]

it's Mikkelsen's first ever 3rd place oddly enough

[Lundefaret]

I intend to agree on most facts with you, but i am not so sure that all cars are equal. :-)

Not equal as identical, but similar enough that the best driver will be a winner in any of the factory cars - and thats great!

[N.O.T]

Neuville won this rally with just 1 stage win and that came when both leaders were out.

[Lundefaret]

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


PONTUS!!!!!!!! FUCKING GREAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

what a awesome drive!!!

+1!

Congratulations Pontus!:)

[Brother John]

Great event overall for Evans !! the PS was the cherry on top !

Latvala is a very weak guy mentally... it is a real shame.

Yeah D.O.T, You're a disgrace to the WRC forum here, but I apparently can not say that nonsense from you. :-(
Responses from you and others do not have to post here. !!!

[COD]

You really are a ray of sunshine today, Mikko is a decent no. 2 driver, he was never anything else and he still would be a decent no2. If I were a team boss with the choice of all drivers I'd choose Ogier and Mikko for the two seats

Well, sort of true yes, but there are 100 drivers who could be as slow and reliable given the same testing km's

[Lundefaret]

Neuville won this rally with just 1 stage win and that came when both leaders were out.

I know i bore You with my insights, but one question I have to ask You: Knowing that all three leaders except Neuville went of in dramatic accidents, would You say that that speed was sustainable?

[wwbroe]

Yeah D.O.T, You're a disgrace to the WRC forum here, but I apparently can not say that nonsense from you. :-(
Responses from you and others do not have to post here. !!!

What the hell are you talking about?

[wwbroe]

Great victory in WRC4 for Griebel, he was dominating the debate's during the whole weekend. Good for the Opel Adam, who seem to be well faster as the Fiesta's.;)

[thuGG]

I intend to agree on most facts with you, but i am not so sure that all cars are equal. :-)

Because they're not. Different teams, different people, different budgets, different experience. Of course that the cars will be different.

[N.O.T]

what the hell are you talking about?

lol...

[N.O.T]

I know i bore You with my insights, but one question I have to ask You: Knowing that all three leaders except Neuville went of in dramatic accidents, would You say that that speed was sustainable?

I do not think i understand the question... can you rephrase ? whose speed ? Neuvilles or Latvala/Meeke ?

[raybak]

Well only 3 weeks to Australia, something to look forward to. Will be interesting to see how the Hyundai's go in the Australian gravel.

I'll be competing at the event so can give some updates during recce and the event. Any forum members heading to the event make sure you say hi.

Ray

[Eli]

Well only 3 weeks to Australia, something to look forward to. Will be interesting to see how the Hyundai's go in the Australian gravel.

I'll be competing at the event so can give some updates during recce and the event. Any forum members heading to the event make sure you say hi.

Ray
where you in finland in the Lankama stage?

[raybak]

where you in finland in the Lankama stage?

Nah wasn't there, a few of my friends were though. Quite a few Aussies went to Finland this year. Next year for me, looking for a car to lease for the event. Have to get rid of a few driving cobwebs before though seeing as I have been codriving for the last 4 years.

Ray

[Eli]

Nah wasn't there, a few of my friends were though. Quite a few Aussies went to Finland this year. Next year for me, looking for a car to lease for the event. Have to get rid of a few driving cobwebs before though seeing as I have been codriving for the last 4 years.

Ray
are your friends drivers or co-drivers in the australian classic championship or something like that?

[Lundefaret]

Great victory in WRC4 for Griebel, he was dominating the debate's during the whole weekend. Good for the Opel Adam, who seem to be well faster as the Fiesta's.;)

I think they are on different tyres? And tyres really do make a difference;) But the Adams are strong, no doubt about it!

[A.F.F.]

I told my buddy couple of weeks ago that with Latvala, there is a pettern. He wins one rally, then crash the next and then he makes three to four rallyes 90% pace telling in every interview that now he has learnt something new to keep his cool :mark:

You can't help Latvala, he is hopeless when it comes to consistency. And that's a real shame. :(

Congrats to Hyundai, this'll make good to teams moral :up:

[N.O.T]

If you want to be champion and be respected you really cannot afford to make such mistakes especially when you are so experienced in the sport... Latvala might win a championship in the future but he will just be a paper champion with such a mentality.

[Rallyper]

It just underlines, how pathetic Hirvonen really is

yOU NEVER LIKED mIKKO. wE KNOW THAT. Please, the man just won points on PS. Let´s be glad over that.

[noel157]

A few sad faces around Citroen and VW today. Shame about Meeke, wrong note so can't really blame him. As for Lavala, was it just a typical Jari crash or something else?
Well done to Hyundai, a win is a win.

[A FONDO]

Congratulations to Neuville and Evans, fantastic job they did and I am so glad that we have such promising "youngsters".

Tidemand also deserves applauses.