World Rallycross Championship a.k.a RALLYX

[MrJan]

It's RX not demolition derby. I often feel that drivers can drive/crash into other without any consequences. RX would do itself a big favour if
the rules for contact became a little stricter. More tight racing but less demolition derby and less carnage in the first corner.


I agree that penalties need to come in to reduce the contact, but compare Petter's pass with Hansen's at Holjes in 2015...give Petter a 5 second penalty, it shows that you won't accept it but it doesn't trash the championship. Especially when you see some of the racing today that went unpunished. I think we need to see more penalties in RX, but they need to be fair, reasonable and, above all, they need to be consistent.

Great win for Loeb, probably the first time in RX that we've seen him drive as we know he's capable. I think it's a mark of a number of the other drivers (Solberg, Ekstrom, Bakkerud and Kristoffosen especially) that it took him so long to win one.

[giu canbera]

Tire war in WRX... whats your opinion about it? I know it could ruin some part of the competition.. I know it would be more expansive (maybe?).. But I'd like it

[tomhlord]

Totally ridiculous.

This was not the cause of the DSQ, this video posted previously ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bnehAlAzbQ ) only shows the end of the move. Side-by-side move, sure, I don't have quarms with that.

The real reason was the headbut, which opened the gap. See at 2:50 for a clear view https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKEyy4xUP10

[tomhlord]

Eriksson wasn't able to hold his line and ran wide on the exit. Petter could have waited another 0,5 second and passed more cleanly but at 100kph that's hard to do. I've seen a LOT worse in RX without penalties. Like just about every time Timur is near Petter.

Esktrom only ran wide because Petter drove into the back of him.

[Alpha]

And yet Ekstrøm himself said it didn't really affect him, it wasn't a hard push..

[tomhlord]

And yet Ekstrøm himself said it didn't really affect him, it wasn't a hard push..

Sure, but that's the reasoning. Just highlighting that, as much of the talk is of the side-by-side contact.

[MrJan]

Esktrom only ran wide because Petter drove into the back of him.

Petter ran wide in the previous turn because Ekstrom drove into the side of him. We saw more aggressive moves through the second day that went completely unpunished. As I said previously, penalties are fine but they need to be reasonable and consistent, which disqualification for Petter most definitely wasn't.

[tomhlord]

Petter ran wide in the previous turn because Ekstrom drove into the side of him.

Not disagreeing that DSQ was harsh.

The difference is that there was a gap for Ekstrom, he was alongside before turn-in and he had momentum created from a cut back.

Petter created a gap with a point blank rear contact.

[mohit]

yes for sure disqualification was not required they both were fighting with each other if you look at previous races or this too you will see that BAKAROOD and block both are banging there cars every time and are never punished so this is is not good for the championship

[Alpha]

Spot on...

[BleAivano]

Oh how the promoters must want a factory team to win after that pesky Norweigan privateer has dominated for so long....

EKSRX is not a factory team.

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Peter Hedström will do the WRX round at Estering. http://www.vf.se/sport/bilsport/hedstrom-kor-vm

[Alpha]

Ekstrøm has lots of Audi decor on his car. Good luck spotting the Citroën logo on Petters car..

[Tofrallye29]

And team's trucks have immats from Munich and Ingolstadt. You can imagine what you want...

[rallyfiend]

EKSRX is not a factory team.

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Peter Hedström will do the WRX round at Estering. http://www.vf.se/sport/bilsport/hedstrom-kor-vm

On what basis do you say his team is not a factory one?

[tomhlord]

Oh how the promoters must want a factory team to win after that pesky Norweigan privateer has dominated for so long....

Rubbish. If that was the case, why is the promoer part-funding his entry? Can you not see the Monster Energy logos?!

[BleAivano]

On what basis do you say his team is not a factory one?

Because it is not a factory team.

[giu canbera]

How about some Electric RallyCross car? ---> https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1009277019197911&id=868640033261611
M.Stohl was driving it..
VW already requested an Electric Class in July

[janvanvurpa]

And yet Ekstrøm himself said it didn't really affect him, it wasn't a hard push..

Just looked like a little love-tap, all in the nature of the sport... People DQing people for that and getting excited, maybe they should take up knitting..Or curling.

[dimviii]

to much traffic

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cu07lqHWYAAEDiS.jpg

[N.O.T]

live, but with region restrictions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHLbiwUXvII

[N.O.T]

Ekstrom is the new champion !!! well done.

[tomhlord]

Amazing performance from Kevin there and well-done EKSRX!

[Rallyper]

Mattias Ekström Swedish best ever fourwheel rally/racingdriver. Said before, worth mentioning once again praising Ekströms achievements.

[MrJan]

2017 calendar released, Argentina dropped for the South Africa round. Bit of a mistake IMO, the Argentina track made for some great racing last year and they'd be better to lose one of the European rounds if they really want to be called a World Championship.

[BleAivano]

Short interview with Ekström http://www.aftonbladet.se/sportbladet/motor/ovrigmotor/article23727705.ab

[tomhlord]

Just watching this interview on repeat. Makes you realise the 3 years of hard work, 'guys working only with passion'. Well done all! https://twitter.com/EKSRX/status/788274406447603712

[Alpha]

Only with passion.


...and the full power of Audi.

[tomhlord]

Only with passion.


...and the full power of Audi.

Oh dear, how wrong you are.

[Alpha]

Lots of Audi logos for a private team. I haven't checked, but I assume it's the same as with Peugeot/Hansen. Peugeot develops the car, Hansen runs the other parts of the team.

Now try finding a Citroën logo anywhere near the PSRX team. Or in Petters own words: "Petter Solberg World RX Team is not quite like any other team. I’m incredibly proud of what we achieve together with our sponsors and WITHOUT a single part or support from the car brand that we run."


Then from EKSRX:

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161018/ba664e141a35690900a8e51b3ef0c896.jpg


Passion? Sure, but Mattias also has the might of Audi behind him. They might both be "private" teams, but Petter is the only one of the big guns with NO manufacturer support and that is very very different from EKSRX or Peugeot-Hansen.

[Alpha]

Double post.

[tomhlord]

Aaaah, and there we go to the crux of the matter. Petter Solberg didn't win....

You can deny facts all you want, but it is 'EKSRX', not 'Team Audi' or even 'EKSRX Audi'. They have strategic partners that help with parts in exchange for logos on the car, and sponsorship from Red Bull.

To cap it off, here's Mattias explaining how he set it up with his own money and can't pay the team £££ but they can have 'good food and fun.' https://twitter.com/fia/status/788412425745813504

And yes, you haven't checked, as you say yourself.

You take away the hard work behind the scenes with your 'might of Audi' remarks and it stinks.

[Alpha]

I saw the video and couldn't help but notice a lot of Audi logos..!
He talks about putting up his own money, sure. The same did Petter and Kenneth (Hansen), and many of the other team owners. The end of the video was one big thank you speech to Audi.

Spin it all you like, winning a FIA World Championship is a hell of a lot easier when an enormous automaker supports you.

Does it take something away from his victory? Compared to Petter it does. And also Petters black flag was a gift from heaven to Mattias. And most agree it was unfair. If the rules were the same for everybody most of the drivers would have black flags this season, and Timur would have had at least six!

I congratulate Mattias, he's done well this season. But the whole "I'm a private team" feels pushed, he'd be better off toning that down. Petter would then by comparison have a "super private team" and his victories in World RX have been harder to get.

[Sub_Skoda]

Very happy for Mattias, but sad that will not have a real finale in Argentina!
Thanks Latvian's stewards!!

[BleAivano]

I saw the video and couldn't help but notice a lot of Audi logos..!

I congratulate Mattias, he's done well this season. But the whole "I'm a private team" feels pushed, he'd be better off toning that down. Petter would
then by comparison have a "super private team" and his victories in World RX have been harder to get.

What is your problem really? You seems very bitter.

Audi Logos != factory team. I also presume that you do realize that there is one huge difference between Mattias and Petter?

Ekström have been an Audi driver almost his entire professional career. ME have 16 seasons as a Audi driver in DTM. How many seasons have Petter done for Citroen?
Of course Audi want to put some Logos on EKSRX cars as a sponsor favour for ME's long and faithful service with them in DTM.

Petter is a privateer team who have been equally good with Mattias this season, so how can Petter be so good without factory backing?
Or if Petter is so good without factory backing, why can't Mattias also bee so good without factory backing?

You use one metric for Petter and another for Mattias why?

[BleAivano]

Very happy for Mattias, but sad that will not have a real finale in Argentina!
Thanks Latvian's stewards!!


Well ME also had some bad luck* with flat tires in two semi finals in the middle of the season. IIRC ME was leading atleast one of those semis.
Without those the championship may have been decided even earlier. As for the Latvian marshals, they did the right thing.
Petter didn't just nudge ME a little. He nudged ME. then hit him in the side and finished it by pushing ME all the way into the Armco barrier.

[Alpha]

What is your problem really? You seems very bitter.

Audi Logos != factory team. I also presume that you do realize that there is one huge difference between Mattias and Petter?

Ekström have been an Audi driver almost his entire professional career. ME have 16 seasons as a Audi driver in DTM. How many seasons have Petter done for Citroen?
Of course Audi want to put some Logos on EKSRX cars as a sponsor favour for ME's long and faithful service with them in DTM.

Petter is a privateer team who have been equally good with Mattias this season, so how can Petter be so good without factory backing?
Or if Petter is so good without factory backing, why can't Mattias also bee so good without factory backing?

You use one metric for Petter and another for Mattias why?

No problem, not bitter.

Don't be silly, there is a lot more behind the logos than a little sponsorship for old times sake. It's probably like Peugeot-Hansen, which would mean that Audi supplies the cars, parts and development of the car.

How Petter can be so good? Same as Mattias: A great driver with a good team and a fast car. The latter two is easier with manufacturer backing. Never said it was a factory team. Said it's a lot easier to win with a manufacturer behind you.

[MrJan]

You only need to go to an event to realise that Peugeot Hansen and EKSRX have more budget than PSRX. Does that make it less impressive? Slightly, but it doesn't make it undeserved. I'm not a huge fan of Ekstrom but he's undeniably a great driver and his post race interview slightly altered my opinion of him, he's worked hard for the championship and is consistently quick. Petter has had a bad season too, the Latvia thing leaves a bad taste because it was unfair and inconsistent in comparison to other penalties, but he was already letting the championship slip and had too many poor results over the middle of the season.

[mohit]

What petter has managed with his team is commendable........

Latvia penalty was not required as both were hitting each other and its ekstrom who started it first, check the videos again.

Give petter ekrx Audi and get astonished.

[JUF]

Petter said in an interview that the big teams have budgets of 10-15 Million Euros. I guess he meant Peugeot-Hansen.

EKS RX gets the support of Audi only since last year. Mattias and his team developed the S1 on their own. But when Audi realized that they get publicity when Ekström is successful, they started to support him.

[dimviii]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJvSTHGSe7s

[pantealex]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJvSTHGSe7s

Joni Wiman from Finland ;)

[cali]

Petter said in an interview that the big teams have budgets of 10-15 Million Euros. I guess he meant Peugeot-Hansen.

EKS RX gets the support of Audi only since last year. Mattias and his team developed the S1 on their own. But when Audi realized that they get publicity when Ekström is successful, they started to support him.

Cannot believe this is true, these budget numbers are too close to WRC team budgets ... It's only Petter's dream me thinks.

[dimviii]

Cannot believe this is true, these budget numbers are too close to WRC team budgets ... It's only Petter's dream me thinks.

yes seems big numbers,but wrc numbers are much more.

[MrJan]

Cannot believe this is true, these budget numbers are too close to WRC team budgets ... It's only Petter's dream me thinks.

I wouldn't be hugely surprised to find out that teams like Hansen and Hoonigan are throwing down that kind of money. I dread to think how much money went to M-Sport for developing the Focus, a customer WRC Fiesta must cost in the region of £500k so a beefed up, brand new 600hp Focus I'd have thought is at least that. Plus all the crew, expensive trucks, hotels, flights etc. etc. must rack up the ££££s fairly quickly.

[rallyfiend]

I don't believe for a second they're spending anywhere close to those numbers.

Their personnel, logistics, even event costs are minuscule compared to a WRC team.

1 - 1.5 million for a team, I can believe.

I think they missed out a decimal point, there.

[cali]

I wouldn't be hugely surprised to find out that teams like Hansen and Hoonigan are throwing down that kind of money. I dread to think how much money went to M-Sport for developing the Focus, a customer WRC Fiesta must cost in the region of £500k so a beefed up, brand new 600hp Focus I'd have thought is at least that. Plus all the crew, expensive trucks, hotels, flights etc. etc. must rack up the ££££s fairly quickly.
Still, 10-15 mil is unbelievable

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[Alpha]

Petter only spent 3 million pounds on his 2010 privateer entry in the WRC with PS WRT.

[BleAivano]

What petter has managed with his team is commendable........

Latvia penalty was not required as both were hitting each other and its ekstrom who started it first, check the videos again.

Give petter ekrx Audi and get astonished.

It wasn't just about hitting, Petter pushed Ekström off the track into the Armco barrier.
Small nudges might be ok but ramming other cars and deliberately pushing them off the track is not ok and does warrant a black flag.

[pantealex]

Rent for competitive supercar is about 50.000€/race.

[giu canbera]

I remember when Brian Deegan joked on the radio that Dodge spent a million bucks on Travis car cuz he crashes too much, in 2013.
I also heard Block and Foust (block in Barbados, foust in TopGear) saying the GRC cars were "half million" bucks each
Not saying GRC and WRX cars have the same budget and program.. but its a starting point for this speculation! Im gonna ask the guys behind WRX to see if they have some info about budgets!

[giu canbera]

haha Asked about the 10-15mi budget...
Andrew Coley (WorldRX commentator) said: "wildly over. varies from team to team ; )"
Still waiting for some answers, maybe from the guy who runs WRX twitter account? He's a nice person.
But it could be kinda "indelicate" to ask this question haha..

[giu canbera]

Renault interested
http://purerallycross.com/index.php/Article-2016-RallycrossRX-Europe-Monde/fia-world-rx-renault-pense-au-world-rx.html

[Alpha]

With Petter Solberg / Andreas Mikkelsen :D

[MrJan]

Saw a tweet by Andrew Coley earlier which linked to an artcile where VW intimated that they may get a bit more involved in RX...perhaps that's where Ogier is headed ;)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Saw a tweet by Andrew Coley earlier which linked to an artcile where VW intimated that they may get a bit more involved in RX...perhaps that's where Ogier is headed ;)

Dont think Ogier is ready to leave the WRC yet... BUT what about the new 2017 WRC Polo ? Why not pass them on to the WorldRX teams ? Wouldn't it be fairly easy to convert them to RX-spec ?

Ford's new-gen Focus RS RX is already in there and looking mega, so a new VW would be a great addition to that series...

[SubaruNorway]

With Petter Solberg / Andreas Mikkelsen :D

Petter seems to already have a new car deal, not so hard to guess what.... :)

Edit: Hard, not easy!

[Alpha]

Petter seems to already have a new car deal, not so easy to guess what.... :)
Said SubaruNorway... Is he back at Fiji Heavy Industries? Tell us more :)

[SubaruNorway]

Said SubaruNorway... Is he back at Fiji Heavy Industries? Tell us more :)

There's a clue here :)

http://www.tv2.no/v/1075101/

[TheFlyingTuga]

People keep talking about the body of the Polo WRC'17 going to RX, but could that be possible? Because, as far as I understand, RX uses old or equal WRC regs, so the Polo'17 is wider than the regs permit it to be! But would be cool to see the extreme bodies with extreme motors nontheless :)

[TWRC]

There's a clue here :)

http://www.tv2.no/v/1075101/
Mercedes through Bertel O. Steen?

[Alpha]

That's the thing, Petter has a good relationship with the car importer Bertel O. Steen, and hardly a relationship at all with Citroën. His current World RX car has no DS logos and certainly no Citroën logos. Imagine that, Citroën missing an opportunity to have their brand on a world championship winning team.

Anyways, so three scenarios:

A) His connection with Citroën has changed dramatically and he'll start in a new factory supported DS3.

B) Citroën is out, but Bertel O. Steen is very much in. Other brands imported by BOS include Mercedes, Kia, Smart (lol, also Mercedes), and Peugeot. Which brand then? Don't know. Mercedes A class AMG RX?
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161103/470ce80330b444b36d34ec254549c1bf.jpg

C) Something totally different. Less sponsorship from BOS, another manufacturer in.


Take your pick. The video didn't give any definitive answers besides what we already know, he loves to be team boss and will end up like Kenneth Hansen some day. Running a team, bringing up new talent. He already kind of tried with Liam Doran, but he's beyond saving..

[electroliquid]

V. Gryazin plan to do RX2 next year, and hope drive supercar in Latvia RX event.

http://www.go4speed.lv/lv/news/rallijkross/6291-grjazins-aizvadis-pilnu-rx2-cempionatu-latvijas-rx-posma-grib-startet-ar-supercar/

[MrJan]

Other brands imported by BOS include Mercedes, Kia, Smart (lol, also Mercedes), and Peugeot. Which brand then? Don't know. Mercedes A class AMG RX?

Further development of Gigi's car?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Matthew James Wilson ‏@mattyjim1
Well done on a great career in F1 @JensonButton. If you need a Rally X car you know where we are !

[MrJan]

Matthew James Wilson ‏@mattyjim1
Well done on a great career in F1 @JensonButton. If you need a Rally X car you know where we are !

Andrew Coley sent him a tweet too, something along the lines of "Once you've finished with the F1 party come and join ours in RX". Don't think he'll do it though, maybe a one off drive at Lydden but I'd be surprised if he comes in full time.

[MrJan]

Thankfully the final in Rosario didn't go the same way as the embarrassing semi-finals. Good last race of the season and another win for Bakkerud, hopefully he's going to be on a similar pace next year and can challenge for the title. Meanwhile Kristofferson showed once again that he's a quality driver and earnt himself a deserved second place in the championship, I'd be interested to see what he could do in better.

[Alpha]

Petter robbed again, and no penalties were given. Wtf?

[Sulland]

Petter robbed again, and no penalties were given. Wtf?

it was pretty chaotic in that corner, and hard to judge.
some time I would like the heats to be red flagged, or drivers to be black flagged.
If red flagged, the torpedoed car, could have time to be fixed before re start, and the culprit driver out of the heat.

[Alpha]

It's pretty crazy that the fastest driver by far (look at the times, Petter won all the qualifier heats with more than two seconds) can be first into the first corner and then torpedoed out to what would normally be a DNF, and that's just OK. No penalties given, no flags, nothing. Just robbed.
Then compare that to the little tap he gave Ekstrom which got him disqualified... Fair?

This season has been the FIA World Lottery Championship.

[BleAivano]

Then compare that to the little tap he gave Ekstrom which got him disqualified... Fair?

This season has been the FIA World Lottery Championship.


Hardly a little tap, Petter pushed him out into the wall.

[Alpha]

Ekstrom himself said it wasn't worse than the turns earlier and he didn't think it was that bad. He sustained no car damage and was back on the track right behind him. Time lost, tenths of a second.

Now compare that to bring rammed off the track, sustaining damage hard enough to make any other driver in the field park the car and call it the day.

How can anyone say that's fair?

[skarderud]

Its not good for a world championship when the races is a lottery. Inconseqvent judges is not proffesional, that is a big problem they have to change before next season.

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[ruesluporp]

Its not good for a world championship when the races is a lottery. Inconseqvent judges is not proffesional, that is a big problem they have to change before next season.


There will be no new rule in 2017 because that is their will: they don't want Petter on the highest step of the podium.

[JUF]

But if Petter gets manufacturer support next year (rumours say Hyundai) they won't have any problem with him on the highest step of the podium anymore...;)

[Alpha]

He's doing some testing with a car back home in Torsby. It's not a Hyundai. But nothing is final yet.

[tomhlord]

Ekstrom himself said it wasn't worse than the turns earlier and he didn't think it was that bad. He sustained no car damage and was back on the track right behind him. Time lost, tenths of a second.

Now compare that to bring rammed off the track, sustaining damage hard enough to make any other driver in the field park the car and call it the day.

How can anyone say that's fair?

Different scenarios. Unfair to compare.

[tomhlord]

But if Petter gets manufacturer support next year (rumours say Hyundai) they won't have any problem with him on the highest step of the podium anymore...;)

'They' pay a significant chunk of his entry - these therories are getting out of hand.

[tomhlord]

There will be no new rule in 2017 because that is their will: they don't want Petter on the highest step of the podium.

Joke.

[MrJan]

But if Petter gets manufacturer support next year (rumours say Hyundai) they won't have any problem with him on the highest step of the podium anymore...;)

I think that this year they were keen to have someone else win, but don't feel they overly orchestrated the championship. I do think that both Baumanis and Timerzyanov should have had penalties for their driving yesterday. Both were far more aggressive than Solberg's move at Latvia...likewise (and much as I'm a big fan) Bakkerud has been very aggressive and Timmy Hansen pulled a strong move on Nitiss (??) in one of the qualy rounds (possibly Q3).

[Lousada]

Wasn't it Baumanis who got a joke penalty in Belgium so Duval could advance to the final? Officiating is extremely dubious in this sport.

[MrJan]

Wasn't it Baumanis who got a joke penalty in Belgium so Duval could advance to the final? Officiating is extremely dubious in this sport.

I'd be interested to know what Hansen does to avoid strong penalties...even driving into the side of Ekstrom at Holjes last year only got him demoted to second.

[Alpha]

I'd like to know how Timur is still alive. Most weekends it seems he's entered a destruction derby. As I can remember he's only been penalized one time, for barely touching Ekstrom. Two heats after he pushed Petter so far off track that they both ended up last in the heat. The penalties this year has been a joke.

[Doon]

The penalties this year has been a joke.

The whole sport is a joke.

Can the administrator please bunch any RX threads in with circuit racing before people start believing that this expensive version of banger racing is actually Rallying.

[MrJan]

I'd like to know how Timur is still alive. Most weekends it seems he's entered a destruction derby. As I can remember he's only been penalized one time, for barely touching Ekstrom. Two heats after he pushed Petter so far off track that they both ended up last in the heat. The penalties this year has been a joke.

Ironically he got disqualified in the semis at Trois Rivieres despite no even touching Topi. Missed out on the final and Hansen (who replaced him) took the win thanks to tyre choice. Another of the races where circumstances, luck and a bad choice saw Solberg not pick up the W despite being much faster than the rest of the field.

[SubaruNorway]

Ironically he got disqualified in the semis at Trois Rivieres despite no even touching Topi. Missed out on the final and Hansen (who replaced him) took the win thanks to tyre choice. Another of the races where circumstances, luck and a bad choice saw Solberg not pick up the W despite being much faster than the rest of the field.

He did touch him, easy to see on the onboard

[Alpha]

My bad, it was Topi.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

The whole sport is a joke.

Can the administrator please bunch any RX threads in with circuit racing before people start believing that this expensive version of banger racing is actually Rallying.

Tell that to the 9 times World Rally Champion... you obviously know so much better than him.

[Sub_Skoda]

The whole sport is a joke.

Can the administrator please bunch any RX threads in with circuit racing before people start believing that this expensive version of banger racing is actually Rallying.

Your post is a joke.
Rallycross is not rallying but it's an awesome mechanic sport! It's more spectacular than WRC and more fascinating.
RX needs (like F1) more auditors who don't take stupid and fickle decisions!

[Alpha]

Yeah, this easy peasy circuit banger racing.. Funny that the "driving God", nine times world champion, three times Race Of Champions winner, runner up in Le Mans, Sebastian Loeb struggle to reach the final in this kiddie series... Ask him if he thinks it's easy.

Get real, WRX has the closest racing of any FIA series now and the talent level is crazy high.

[stefanvv]

Can the administrator please bunch any RX threads in with circuit racing before people start believing that this expensive version of banger racing is actually Rallying.

Why do You care where the thread is? Does it hurts the rallysport somehow? And why it does?

[N.O.T]

Its a fun sport, no need to take it seriously.

Since most rally drivers see it as a fun retirement home it can stay here i think.

[Alpha]

It needs its own section. It's an FIA championship, no need to talk it down just because it's fun, exciting and close real racing, while WRC is nothing but.

Cheer up, the WRC will come back. Until then, embrace that the best drivers in the world are in WRX and enjoy it.

[SubaruNorway]

Yeah, this easy peasy circuit banger racing.. Funny that the "driving God", nine times world champion, three times Race Of Champions winner, runner up in Le Mans, Sebastian Loeb struggle to reach the final in this kiddie series... Ask him if he thinks it's easy.

Get real, WRX has the closest racing of any FIA series now and the talent level is crazy high.

Any other series would be very close if the competition distance was 30km as well ;)

[Alpha]

Yeah, like how 100m sprint is such a silly children's series. And that untalented brat Usain Bolt isnt really that fast. Hell, with just 100m it's so easy your nan could probably win an Olympic gold.

Sometimes... Jesus.

[N.O.T]

Is that you Ken Block ?

[Rallyper]

Yeah, like how 100m sprint is such a silly children's series. And that untalented brat Usain Bolt isnt really that fast. Hell, with just 100m it's so easy your nan could probably win an Olympic gold.

Sometimes... Jesus.

Yeah, why don´t they do just one lap? RX is not rallying.

[Doon]

Why do You care where the thread is? Does it hurts the rallysport somehow? And why it does?

Yes it does, because people some how associate it with rallying, and because of its popularity the promoters / organisers of WRC will look to watering down rallying even more until we have 12 super special stages making up one event. It is not rallying. It is circuit racing.

Some of drivers are great drivers, no doubt, but they've all had their day. It's a bit of a nursing home for the old heros. Solberg had years of disappointment and tears in the WRC, and basically settled for 2nd best. Loeb ran away from the WRC before he was shown up by Ogier.

[Myrvold]

What I don't get, and that's not just this particular thread or forum, is the need to talk down other sports/series to "promote" your own favorite.
If you don't like the series, why bother reading the thread.

[Alpha]

I somewhat agree, but I'm guilty myself as I've said that both WRC and F1 is like watching paint dry

WRX is an FIA championship and should have its own section, it's obvious.

[N.O.T]

What I don't get, and that's not just this particular thread or forum, is the need to talk down other sports/series to "promote" your own favorite.
If you don't like the series, why bother reading the thread.

its not about promoting rallying, its about putting dogs to their places when they get overexcited.

[N.O.T]

I somewhat agree, but I'm guilty myself as I've said that both WRC and F1 is like watching paint dry

WRX is an FIA championship and should have its own section, it's obvious.

Nobody likes you Ken block, go away.

[Alpha]

Nawh, you guys are cute. And off topic.

[rallyfiend]

Yes it does, because people some how associate it with rallying, and because of its popularity the promoters / organisers of WRC will look to watering down rallying even more until we have 12 super special stages making up one event. It is not rallying. It is circuit racing.

Some of drivers are great drivers, no doubt, but they've all had their day. It's a bit of a nursing home for the old heros. Solberg had years of disappointment and tears in the WRC, and basically settled for 2nd best. Loeb ran away from the WRC before he was shown up by Ogier.

On what basis do you say that the 'popularity' of WRX will lead to dumbing down of WRC?
What metrics are you using for WRX? I would say that it's a long way from being popular. It's still 'new', but it's not popular. It's hidden away on one of the most obscure and irrelevant TV stations, and even Autosport barely covers it!

[Doon]

It's not about talking down WRX, I simple stated that it should not be in the WRC forum and show have it's own section, most appropriately under circuit racing.

[Doon]

I wonder if Nico Rosberg will be in WRX next year?

[seb_sh]

I wonder if Nico Rosberg will be in WRX next year?

I doubt he'll be anywhere but home, honestly. Maybe in 2018.

[giu canbera]

WRC is like watching paint dry?
Wait.... Hold on a minute... Can you explain me exactly HOW? Cuz this is pretty much the most nonsense thing I've ever read on the internet

[Alpha]

A French guy named Sebastian has won everything for the past 12 years. Hardly three manufacturers, about four drivers with some level of skill. This Seb dude usually wins by minutes. Talented drivers have to pay to get a car. And after spending millions they still get a crap car and even in a top car internal team orders and other shit takes the real competition out of it.

I used to follow every second of every WRC round, but a few years ago I just gave up. It isn't going to change. If it does I'm happy to return, but for now I'd rather watch paint dry.

[N.O.T]

you were never talented ken.

[Alpha]

Yeah, that was one of the few fun things about the WRC before I gave up, seeing guys like Kimi and Block get schooled.

[AMSS]

Yeah, that was one of the few fun things about the WRC before I gave up, seeing guys like Kimi and Block get schooled.

Correct me if I'm wrong but Ken Block has been on the podium in the WRX hasn't he? At least last year he was definitely...

[Alpha]

Ken has been on the podium twice actually, everybody gets lucky some times ;)

[dimviii]

I used to follow every second of every WRC round, but a few years ago I just gave up.

nice decision when you don't understand what you watch.

[Alpha]

nice decision when you don't understand what you watch.
Yeah that's the problem... I notice you have no arguments, which pretty much says it all.

[AMSS]

Ken has been on the podium twice actually, everybody gets lucky some times ;)

He must have saved his luck from the wrc events than because he was unlucky to never be on the podium there...

[Alpha]

Ken has finished ahead of both Østberg, Latvala, Tanak and Prokop in the WRC so some luck there also..

[N.O.T]

Ken has finished ahead of both Østberg, Latvala, Tanak and Prokop in the WRC so some luck there also..

Where are you from ?

[Alpha]

Norway

[pantealex]

It's hidden away on one of the most obscure and irrelevant TV stations, and even Autosport barely covers it!

WRX is live in Youtube. I believe that´s quite popular channel?
and Autosport is magazine in England? Is it THE way to measure popularity of WRX?

For me WRC is number 1 but I also watch WRX, just for fun! (cars are fast and loud, races are never boring etc.)

[Franky]

WRX is live in Youtube. I believe that´s quite popular channel?


Yes, but the question is how many watch it live on Youtube?

[pantealex]

Yes, but the question is how many watch it live on Youtube?

I don´t know, site only shows total number of watchers.

Other question is: How many watch WRC live in TV ?

In my mind WRX is better TV-sport than WRC. (and that´s the way I like it, I don´t want WRC to become stadion sport.)

[SubaruNorway]

Yes, but the question is how many watch it live on Youtube?

It's not a large amount really since it's only open in the countries that don't have it on national TV. I tried to find a country to watch through with hola.org since our commentators are crap but gave up. They have 43.000 subscribers and average video views are 15.000, Eriksson's pass pulled it up with 1.3mill.

[Franky]

It's not a large amount really since it's only open in the countries that don't have it on national TV. I tried to find a country to watch through with hola.org since our commentators are crap but gave up. They have 43.000 subscribers and average video views are 15.000, Eriksson's pass pulled it up with 1.3mill.

So both WRC and WRX need to pour a lot of money to marketing.

[SubaruNorway]

So both WRC and WRX need to pour a lot of money to marketing.

Strange how they don't really get much Youtube views, most of the video's don't have more views than i would have on a Norwegian championship rally. Funny enough my short Swedish Rally video from this year has passed 750.000 views...

[Alpha]

It's geoblocked.

[Franky]

Strange how they don't really get much Youtube views, most of the video's don't have more views than i would have on a Norwegian championship rally. Funny enough my short Swedish Rally video from this year has passed 750.000 views...

I personally think that the amount of watched minutes compared to the number of views is the most important indicator because essentially views is the number of times the video started playing. But yes, the amount of views they have is quite low.

[Alpha]

Again, geoblocked. Most countries show World RX on TV and in those countries (like Norway for instance) you can't view the YouTube stream.

[SubaruNorway]

Again, geoblocked. Most countries show World RX on TV and in those countries (like Norway for instance) you can't view the YouTube stream. We are talking about the regular video's, the live streams are not uploaded after they are shown i think. Can't see them at least. Average time on my video's are 5-7 minutes which is decent since i usually have put all the good stuff in by then.

The good thing though is that Facebook seems to have loosened up on their Youtube blocking so now a video can have 5 times more reach than it did before from what i can see.

[pantealex]

Again, geoblocked. Most countries show World RX on TV and in those countries (like Norway for instance) you can't view the YouTube stream.

In Finland WRX is on TV, but youtube is not geoblocket, stream is available...
and you can watch that "stream" later also.

[Alpha]

Nice, wish it was like that here also. I'd love to hear Cole and Fausts comments on Argentina.

[giu canbera]

Again, geoblocked. Most countries show World RX on TV and in those countries (like Norway for instance) you can't view the YouTube stream.

watch it on burningwhee1s.blogspot.com
(yes, better not post this link on facebook and twitter cuz... u'know... they dont want these sites to be around. But you can find pretty much every racing series there)

[Jack4688`]

http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/motorsport/hyundai-eyes-world-rallycross-and-formula-e-big-motorsport-push


Choi said World Rallycross was of particular interest and that certain rallycross teams had already approached Hyundai Motorsport about the prospect of running i20s.

Would one of those be PSRX?

[tomhlord]

Magda Andersson and Anton Marklund to do EuroRX next season for Marklund Motorsport.

Nice to see Magda step up.

But, what does this mean for the VW Team Sweden, if anything? I thought the team was a combination of Marklund Motorsport and VW team Sweden in 2016? Frees up a WorldRX spot in a competitive car. In the WRC exit talk, VW mentioned increased (GRC at least) rallycross support. There's somehting in here somewhere.

http://www.fiaworldrallycross.com/article/9442/andersson-confirmed-for-euro-rx

[JUF]

As far as I know, Kristoffersson Motorsport (the other part of Team Sweden) tries everything to stay in World RX. There are ongoing talks with VW in Hannover. But it may be that Johan Kristoffersson will move to another team and his dad´s team will do something else (Euro RX, RX Nordic, STCC...?).

[tomhlord]

As far as I know, Kristoffersson Motorsport (the other part of Team Sweden) tries everything to stay in World RX. There are ongoing talks with VW in Hannover. But it may be that Johan Kristoffersson will move to another team and his dad´s team will do something else (Euro RX, RX Nordic, STCC...?).

Aha, thank you for the update. I hope they can sort something out, real talent.

[pantealex]

Magda Andersson and Anton Marklund to do EuroRX next season for Marklund Motorsport.

Nice to see Magda step up.

But, what does this mean for the VW Team Sweden, if anything? I thought the team was a combination of Marklund Motorsport and VW team Sweden in 2016? Frees up a WorldRX spot in a competitive car. In the WRC exit talk, VW mentioned increased (GRC at least) rallycross support. There's somehting in here somewhere.

http://www.fiaworldrallycross.com/article/9442/andersson-confirmed-for-euro-rx

Tanner Foust for that 2nd seat would be great move...

[MrJan]

Tanner Foust for that 2nd seat would be great move...

Agree, would bring some money to the team through Rockstar and also just seems like an all round nice bloke.

Will be interesting to see Magda in a supercar, she's been pretty quick in touring cars for someone so young but reckon EuroRX will be a bit more of a challenge.

[giu canbera]

Petter to Hoonigan???
https://twitter.com/AndreasBakkerud/status/811974450795134981

[Alpha]

Some rumors on Facebook this week about Petter and Bertel O Steen, more specifically the A-class AMG. Would be good to have yet another manufacturer in the championship.

Not sure about Hoonigan, think Petter would rather be his own boss than to work for Ken. They do have a good relationship though, and Ken as team boss and Petter & Bakkerud on the track would be a fierce combination.

[ChassisFlex]

Do they have a rallycross track at Silverstone?? Because if they don't, it'll end up awful like all the Global Rallycross tracks are. Lydden hill is a fantastic track, makes me a bit sad.

[AndyRAC]

When it was first rumoured, it was obvious what would happen. The 'old school' RX circuits were out, and the 'shiny new' F1 tracks would be the venues of choice for IMG. Sod the old fans of the sport - they want the new fans, who drink RedBull, Monster, etc and follow the sport in the modern way.
I'm not sure WorldRX is yet big enough for all these sudden changes...but, those in charge think they know best - but quite often it all come crashing down after a few successful years. As there's no support structure in place.

[Simmi]

Sad but inevitable.

Any guesses what areas of the circuit they will use? Maybe something on the land alongside where Bridge corner used to be - and using the Luffield corners?

The whole point of these GP venues is that they incorporate the track to quite a large extent.

[Arnold Triyudho Wardono]

http://www.fiaworldrallycross.com/article/9445/silverstone-to-host-world-rx

Personally feel this is purely about money. Lydden is the home of the sport and viewing is great
.
They should go to Brands Hatch instead..

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[AndyRAC]

I suspect Brands were either not interested, or didn't want to pay what IMG wanted....but Brands would be a great venue for RX. Silverstone is flat, and a poor watching circuit.

[the sniper]

World Rallycross really is the new WRC, selling its soul for the 'benefit of fans', doing things no one asked for or wants...

As for the circuit, according to Autosport:

While IMG did not release any further details, Autosport understands that a new purpose-built track will be created in the F1 layout's infield, based around the existing Stowe circuit.

The cars will be based in The Wing pits complex, and then will file out onto the Stowe circuit, which will be run in a clockwise direction rather than its usual anti-clockwise configuration.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/127608/lydden-loses-world-rx-to-silverstone-from-18

I think I'll have to make the journey down to Lydden for this year's round, it's the end of an era... I was going to go this year but ended up going to Monaco that weekend instead. Silverstone is much easier to get to for me than Lydden, but I don't really have any interest in seeing WRX in the Silverstone setting.

[skarderud]

Andreas bakkerud is doing Sigdalsrally (first round in National championship) next weekend in Anders Grøndals rental fiesta R2t.

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[tomhlord]

Lydden is a historic track, good fun and great for spectators.

But the 2016 event organisation was a shambles. There are other reasons for this move, I am convinced.

[rallyfiend]

Lydden is a historic track, good fun and great for spectators.

But the 2016 event organisation was a shambles. There are other reasons for this move, I am convinced.

Whatever happened about that clown son of the owners of Lydden and his potential legal troubles?

[tomhlord]

Whatever happened about that clown son of the owners of Lydden and his potential legal troubles?

I'm not sure about that, but I was more referring to the troubling organisation at the event itself.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Pat Doran dispels closure fears after losing FIA World Rallycross:

“We are going to concentrate now on the British Rallycross Championship and we have got lots of other things going on like truck and classic car shows – I am confident the circuit will continue.”

The 57-year-old, who has owned the Wootton track for seven years, applied to Dover District Council in 2015 to build a new entrance, grandstands and hospitality centre.

But planning permission has yet to be gained, which Mr Doran thinks was the main factor in the decision of world championship promoters IMG to move the event to Silverstone."

http://www.kentonline.co.uk/canterbury/news/race-circuit-will-not-close-118267/

[MrJan]

Lydden is a historic track, good fun and great for spectators.

But the 2016 event organisation was a shambles. There are other reasons for this move, I am convinced.

It would be easier to work on the logistics of running Lydden well than it will be to make Silverstone a good track...but I guess that wouldn't fit with the money making scheme. IMG are being a bit shortsighted if they continue down this route of removing all classic tracks. Barcelona, Hockenheim etc. just don't have the atmosphere or quality of Estering, Holjes, Hell, Loheac & Lydden etc. Wasn't going to go to Lydden this year as wanted to check out Nurburgring 24h, however think I'll have to watch the rallycross as I don't think I'll be bothering much once it moves to Silverstone. Call me crazy but I like being within 500m of the track when I watch motorsport ;)

[BleAivano]

So Petter and Johan Kristoffersson in a VW factory team according to Aftonbladet (not the most reliable source though).

http://www.aftonbladet.se/sportbladet/a/R7RXx/svensk-forare-far-fabriksstod

[Sulland]

Norwegian paper:
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=no&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.vg.no%2Fsport%2Fmotorsport%2Fmo torsport%2Fpetter-solberg-faar-vw-med-paa-laget-satsing-til-80-mill%2Fa%2F23894355%2F

[Simmi]

Good for Petter. Hard work pays off. Will be interested to see how "factory" the team is in terms of branding etc.

Quotes from Sven Smeets in Motorsport News say Petter will run the team, with VW works providing technical support and engineering the car. Financing/sponsorship is done by Petter (PSRX) and Volkswagen Sweden. So a big collaboration.

It really sounds like VW had no desire to get out of motorsport in the wake of the emissions scandal.
Works WRX team and still fighting to get the Polo WRC onto the stages.

[rallyfiend]

I get a completely different impression.

This sounds like a VW customer operation, plain and simple. Petter (Monster and others) and Johan (VW Sweden) are hiring VW Motorsport to provide them with services and advice.

Isn't that the precise definition of a customer motorsport programme as VW said they would move in to?

[tomhlord]

Time for Johan to smash it and show Petter how it's done.

[tomhlord]

I get a completely different impression.

This sounds like a VW customer operation, plain and simple. Petter (Monster and others) and Johan (VW Sweden) are hiring VW Motorsport to provide them with services and advice.

Isn't that the precise definition of a customer motorsport programme as VW said they would move in to?

Yes.

[MrJan]

I get a completely different impression.

This sounds like a VW customer operation, plain and simple. Petter (Monster and others) and Johan (VW Sweden) are hiring VW Motorsport to provide them with services and advice.

Isn't that the precise definition of a customer motorsport programme as VW said they would move in to?

Yep, sounds like that to me. Basically Petter has added his funding to the VW Sweden team. Will be interesting to see how it goes, I'm not convinced that the Polo has been on the same level as the EKSRX Audi, the 208 or even the Focus.

[Alpha]

PSRX has proven that they can build a winning car so with support from VW (something he never had from Citroën), and even more funding from VW Sweden he has a better starting point than ever before. I'm certain he'll be competitive from round one.

Good (and surprising!) news!

Also, F-X Demaison is involved in building the car. He and Petter go way back and he's great so now I'm even more positive.

[pantealex]

Base car will be Polo WRC17, so almost nothing same than PoloRX what they have been using past years.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Base car will be Polo WRC17, so almost nothing same than PoloRX what they have been using past years.

2017 Polo WRC body & aero but chassis and running gear ??

[Sulland]

FX and Smeets are involved, and if the team gets 8 mill euro to play with from VW, that will make development during the year possible!
VW has US RX experience, Petter and 2 generations Kristoffersen has euro RX experience. So in total they and FX will make special cars!

[Zeakiwi]

Who has designed the Citroens for Petter Solberg? Are they still with Pipo Moteur?

[Alpha]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170112/660a2ce4ae6ecd05facb2695652fe248.jpg

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[Viking]

VW will deliver the cars and technical assistance, PSRX will be running the team.

Petter - The car has already been ready for a while. I have been in Germany and looked at the car. It looks very good. F-X and I have the same philosophy about how a good race car should be.

From the start, the team have three cars, one for Solberg, one for Kristoffersson and a test car.

[macebig]

So, essentially VW RX team will use the 17 Polo chassis with the previous RX Polo engine and adjusted aero according to RX rules.That factory boom with big money teams from Ford,Audi,VW,Peugeot(and possibly Honda) will not end well for the championship...Mark these words...

[Alpha]

Yeah, it might end up like the WRC which is more boring than watching paint dry. But even though manufacturers have been pouring in (and who can blame them, it's currently the most exciting Motorsport out there) it's still a varied and very competitive field. Let's hope it lasts.

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[stefanvv]

WRC which is more boring than watching paint dry.

If You don't have any idea what You talk about, better not saying anything.

[Jasper]

Yeah, it might end up like the WRC which is more boring than watching paint dry. But even though manufacturers have been pouring in (and who can blame them, it's currently the most exciting Motorsport out there) it's still a varied and very competitive field. Let's hope it lasts.

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lol

[Alpha]

If You don't have any idea what You talk about, better not saying anything.
I used to be a huge WRC fan, watched every race, listened to the WRC radio religiously and a weekend without Becs, Colin and the others was weird.

But.. When the winner by several MINUTES every damn race, every damn season, is a guy called Sebastian. When there is hardly three manufacturers left, and when talented guys have to PAY to be given the privilege of driving a car that looks like the fastest guys but is deliberately slower. I mean... Come on. I finally had enough and now I'd rather watch Nascar than the WRC.

I'd love nothing more than the WRC being good again, but I'm not holding my breath while I wait because I suspect it won't happen anytime soon. And VWs exit doesn't exactly help. So for now I'd rather watch paint dry. Thank god we have World RX so there is still an exciting motorsport to follow.

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[N.O.T]

I used to be a huge WRC fan, watched every race, listened to the WRC radio religiously and a weekend without Becs, Colin and the others was weird.

But.. When the winner by several MINUTES every damn race, every damn season, is a guy called Sebastian. When there is hardly three manufacturers left, and when talented guys have to PAY to be given the privilege of driving a car that looks like the fastest guys but is deliberately slower. I mean... Come on. I finally had enough and now I'd rather watch Nascar than the WRC.

I'd love nothing more than the WRC being good again, but I'm not holding my breath while I wait because I suspect it won't happen anytime soon. And VWs exit doesn't exactly help. So for now I'd rather watch paint dry. Thank god we have World RX so there is still an exciting motorsport to follow.

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translation...

I was a solberg fan but then Loeb started ridiculing him badly so i changed the sport because i could not handle crying all day anymore.

It is ok kid many people resorted to what you did, finland is full of cases like yourself, you are not alone.

[Alpha]

If it was nationalism I could follow Østberg or Mikkelsen. That really isn't the issue. As for Petter, I guess he had enough, just like me.

So far Loeb had been schooled in World RX, which says a lot about how much talent is present and how tight the field is. None of which can be said about WRC.

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[rallyfiend]

If it was nationalism I could follow Østberg or Mikkelsen. That really isn't the issue. As for Petter, I guess he had enough, just like me.

So far Loeb had been schooled in World RX, which says a lot about how much talent is present and how tight the field is. None of which can be said about WRC.

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A world RX race is barely as long as a WRC Shakedown stage. Compare those times?

As for 'talent' I'm not sure that's the case. It's just expensive banger racing where however can be stupid enough can come out the winner.

Oh, and punting people off is accepted in the rules. Lovely.

[Alpha]

A Formula 1 race is shorter than LeMans, what's your point?

If everyone is so stupid why isn't the 9 times WRC champion winning? He's been good at all kinds of racing, but when he isn't winning in the World RX it isn't the other guys that are good, it's just expensive banger racing, only won by stupid people. Maybe Loeb is too smart?

As for rules I totally agree. Judging in the World RX needs to be a lot more consistent.

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[pantealex]

Peugeot is so bad car that even Seb1 could´t win with it...

[Alpha]

Peugeot is so bad car that even Seb1 could´t win with it...
So if it isn't just banger racing then it's a bad car? How many excuses do you have to make for Loeb?

And Peugeot-Hansen finished second in the team championship so the car can't be that bad..



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[EightGear]

Lol.


Just lol.

[N.O.T]

its a coping mechanism guys, better than crying all day.

[MrJan]

Peugeot is so bad car that even Seb1 could´t win with it...

Timmy Hansen managed it ;) :p:

I think Loeb is a great driver (you'd be pretty stupid if you didn't think that) but I'm not sure that RX is his game, even later in the season when he started mixing it door to door with the others he wasn't quite as good at it. Next season might be different if he's still about, now he's got the hang of the pack racing, short races etc. and hopefully the Peugeot will be a bit better.

I agree they need to tighten up on some of the contact (a little keeps it interesting, but not push to pass). However Ekstrom won the championship being mostly fair and Kristofersson and Solberg tend to be okay (a couple of times they step over the edge, but nothing like Timur and Hansen.

I'm inclined to agree that WRC hasn't been great to watch on TV. It gets a bit formulaic and the drama isn't there for a lot of events. In person it's still one of the greatest sports to watch, and hopefully this year will be slightly different. If VW hadn't pulled the plug then it could have been a really good year. As for pay to drive, RX is no different at all, possibly worse.

[EightGear]

If VW hadn't pulled the plug then it could have been a really good year.

VW leaving is a blessing in disguise.

[the sniper]

VW leaving is a blessing in disguise.

Totally agree, but it would have been great if two VWs had been entered 'privately'. Could still happen though.

[pantealex]

So if it isn't just banger racing then it's a bad car? How many excuses do you have to make for Loeb?

And Peugeot-Hansen finished second in the team championship so the car can't be that bad..


What?
Where did you get that I think Loeb is best RX driver? He is not! I don´t even think he is best Peugeot driver.

[Alpha]

I never said that. But the WRC guys seem to idolize him so he's a good example to use. The best guy this year was Ekstrom, based on the results..

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[tomhlord]

based on the results..

You make winning sound like losing.

[Alpha]

Not at all, he won in a respectful way, and he's a great ambassador for the sport.

He had a bit of luck this year, others had a bit of bad luck, and some questionable judging. Especially Petter. In outright speed Ekstrom probably wasn't the fastest in the field this year, but definitely up there and combined with smart driving he made winning look easy.

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[tomhlord]

Not at all, he won in a respectful way, and he's a great ambassador for the sport.

He had a bit of luck this year, others had a bit of bad luck, and some questionable judging. Especially Petter. In outright speed Ekstrom probably wasn't the fastest in the field this year, but definitely up there and combined with smart driving he made winning look easy.

Thank you for the clarification :)

[BleAivano]

Mattias Ekström just announced that Audi AG will provide factory support for the upcoming season.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BPZ6mIaldCQ/

[tomhlord]

Great news for the series, with Audi adding in the extra support and actually helping with car development. A manufacturer team - http://www.fiaworldrallycross.com/article/9456/eks-to-receive-audi-sport

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Jenson Button edges closer move to race in rallycross, following Honda test on Wednesday. https://t.co/hjpcp7uEIM

[MrJan]

Jenson Button edges closer move to race in rallycross, following Honda test on Wednesday. https://t.co/hjpcp7uEIM

Will be a shame if he ends up in GRC rather than the World Championship though

[Sulland]

Are there tech differences btw cars in GRC and WRX, or could a GRC Honda be used in WRX?

[NoName]

Are there tech differences btw cars in GRC and WRX, or could a GRC Honda be used in WRX?

Small change on cars have to be done..
I remeber Liam was to late to do the change with his car when he had competed in GRC and was going to the WRX.. (when he was teammate whit P.Solberg)

[MrJan]

Are there tech differences btw cars in GRC and WRX, or could a GRC Honda be used in WRX?

There's something different, but can't remember what. At some point last season there was talk of OMSE running the Civic in WRX but they couldn't do it.

[NoName]

There's something different, but can't remember what. At some point last season there was talk of OMSE running the Civic in WRX but they couldn't do it.

They can do it, there is rebuild kit to some of the car.
Subaru have done it, and Doran have done it.
Think also GRC car loeb drove in 2011 or 2012? Have been used in euro or world rx..

[SubaruNorway]

They can do it, there is rebuild kit to some of the car.
Subaru have done it, and Doran have done it.
Think also GRC car loeb drove in 2011 or 2012? Have been used in euro or world rx..

When did Subaru do WRX...?

[TheFlyingTuga]

When did Subaru do WRX...?

Canada in 2014.

http://www.dirally.com/srt-usa-competitive-canada-world-rx/

I guess that EuroRX or WorldRX cars can compete in GRC, but the same it's not true. Don't know why!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Solberg's first Polo RX test

Two-time World Rallycross champion Petter Solberg has begun testing the Volkswagen Motorsport-built Polo RX Supercar he will race in this year's world championship.

Solberg shared driving duties with new team-mate Johan Kristoffersson at the Loheac test in France this week.

"Yes, we have tried it," Solberg told Autosport's sister title Motorsport.com. "Just a small test, to look over and check everything.

"We will continue to do more testing now in the next few months - we have a good time planned."

Few details have been released about the cars that Solberg and Kristoffersson will race in World RX this year, following the announcement that Solberg has secured manufacturer backing from the German marque.

Volkswagen is building the cars in Germany and will provide support on events

Asked if the Polos were brand new or already-used, Solberg said: "It's a combination, for sure. I have a lot of confidence and it will be good."

The Norwegian also revealed that the new cars have transversally mounted engines.

Previous Polos raced in World RX by Marklund Motorsport and Kristoffersson Motorsport have used longitudinally mounted units, similar to Solberg's Citroen DS 3.

The transverse engine orientation falls in line with Volkswagen's existing technology, a layout generally preferred by manufacturer-backed teams to be more akin to the road-going versions of the car.

"Of course it changes a lot of things, but it's just adaptation of driving style and it fits me better," said Solberg.

"It [the car set-up] will still be soft. We're working a lot with inertia, weight distribution and centre of gravity, all these things.

"We will be better than before."

Solberg also praised his new team-mate Kristoffersson, who finished second overall in World RX last season.

"Whatever situation I would have been in with any other team, I would have chosen him definitely," said Solberg.

"He's fast, he's fair, he's professional, he's fit, a nice guy and has a brain to get out of situations when it's tough fights.

"I think we're a strong team together."

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/127897/solberg-has-first-rx-vw-polo-test

https://twitter.com/SolbergFanClub/status/824748039571128321

[Arnold Triyudho Wardono]

Solberg's first Polo RX test

Two-time World Rallycross champion Petter Solberg has begun testing the Volkswagen Motorsport-built Polo RX Supercar he will race in this year's world championship.

Solberg shared driving duties with new team-mate Johan Kristoffersson at the Loheac test in France this week.

"Yes, we have tried it," Solberg told Autosport's sister title Motorsport.com. "Just a small test, to look over and check everything.

"We will continue to do more testing now in the next few months - we have a good time planned."

Few details have been released about the cars that Solberg and Kristoffersson will race in World RX this year, following the announcement that Solberg has secured manufacturer backing from the German marque.

Volkswagen is building the cars in Germany and will provide support on events

Asked if the Polos were brand new or already-used, Solberg said: "It's a combination, for sure. I have a lot of confidence and it will be good."

The Norwegian also revealed that the new cars have transversally mounted engines.

Previous Polos raced in World RX by Marklund Motorsport and Kristoffersson Motorsport have used longitudinally mounted units, similar to Solberg's Citroen DS 3.

The transverse engine orientation falls in line with Volkswagen's existing technology, a layout generally preferred by manufacturer-backed teams to be more akin to the road-going versions of the car.

"Of course it changes a lot of things, but it's just adaptation of driving style and it fits me better," said Solberg.

"It [the car set-up] will still be soft. We're working a lot with inertia, weight distribution and centre of gravity, all these things.

"We will be better than before."

Solberg also praised his new team-mate Kristoffersson, who finished second overall in World RX last season.

"Whatever situation I would have been in with any other team, I would have chosen him definitely," said Solberg.

"He's fast, he's fair, he's professional, he's fit, a nice guy and has a brain to get out of situations when it's tough fights.

"I think we're a strong team together."

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/127897/solberg-has-first-rx-vw-polo-test

https://twitter.com/SolbergFanClub/status/824748039571128321
I never know that Polo was using longitudinal engine layout..

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[NoName]

When did Subaru do WRX...?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7zzb-BEduQ

[SubaruNorway]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7zzb-BEduQ

Yeah my memory escaped me, probably as Canada doesn't feel like any of the other WRX rounds as it's more like GRC :)

[Walach]

Solberg also praised his new team-mate Kristoffersson, who finished second overall in World RX last season.

"Whatever situation I would have been in with any other team, I would have chosen him definitely," said Solberg.

"He's fast, he's fair, he's professional, he's fit, a nice guy and has a brain to get out of situations when it's tough fights.

"I think we're a strong team together."

Quite a difference to his last team-mate.

[Sub_Skoda]

First buzz video from Volkswagen with Solberg : http://www.lemagsportauto.com/petter-solberg-samuse-deja-volkswagen/20747/

[A FONDO]

First buzz video from Volkswagen with Solberg : http://www.lemagsportauto.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/Petter-Solberg-samuse-d%C3%A9j%C3%A0-avec-Volkswagen-.jpg

This is a picture and a completely useless one.

[Sub_Skoda]

Sorry, bad link : http://www.lemagsportauto.com/petter-solberg-samuse-deja-volkswagen/20747/

[MrJan]

EKS hyping their new driver announcement and then postponing it. In two minds whether it's going to be someone impressive or if they just do what they did for Estering and announce that it's the same guy as before :D

[jbmarcus21]

Petter Solberg testing new VW Polo 2017 for RX => http://bit.ly/2k8ctBp

[Sub_Skoda]

EKS hyping their new driver announcement and then postponing it. In two minds whether it's going to be someone impressive or if they just do what they did for Estering and announce that it's the same guy as before :D

Can't wait for the real announcement!
Maybe an ex WC of something?!

[Rallyper]

Mikkelsen?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Jenson Button ? ;)

[Sub_Skoda]

Mikkelsen?

Nope, he only wants to compete WRC.


Jenson Button ? ;)

Maybe, who knows...

[Alpha]

WRC is out for Mikkelsen. Unless you count WRC2, which we don't.

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[MrJan]

Jenson Button ? ;)

Button has said that he's definitely doing RX next year but probably in US. He's ruled out any full season (in particular World RX) and also Le Mans, but has indicated that he is looking for 2018.

I still think that Mikkelsen is an option. Would tie up with the VAG link and could also be a reason why the announcement was delayed (e.g because he had a sniff of a WRC drive).

[NoName]

http://www.fiaworldrallycross.com/article/9468/chicherit-and-prodrive-announce-new

Prodrive to join the FIA World RX

[Alpha]

Damn! How many teams and manufacturers does the World RX have now? And how many hundred percent more than the WRC is it?

[N.O.T]

Damn! How many teams and manufacturers does the World RX have now? And how many hundred percent more than the WRC is it?

still not enough to be considered a serious sport.

[Alpha]

still not enough to be considered a serious sport.
Yes, the WRC has been struggling for years and with VWs exit it got even worse. I'd still call it a serious sport though.. Barely.

[N.O.T]

It does not matter what you or I think, its a matter of general perception kid. WRX is a fun sport for sure, and thats about it.

[jparker]

It does not matter what you or I think, its a matter of general perception kid. WRX is a fun sport for sure, and thats about it.

Agree, but what's the point of having serious sport without the fun for the public?

[car]

It does not matter what you or I think, its a matter of general perception kid. WRX is a fun sport for sure, and thats about it.

Ernest Hemingway: “There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and mountaineering; all the rest are merely games.”

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Good to see a Renault in the WRX. Hopefully a good promo for the fine Megane RS roadcar.

As for WRX - if its good enough for a 9-time WRC champion...

[Alpha]

Good to see a Renault in the WRX. Hopefully a good promo for the fine Megane RS roadcar.

As for WRX - if its good enough for a 9-time WRC champion...
N.O.T will tell you he's a has-been

[Sulland]

https://d2d0b2rxqzh1q5.cloudfront.net/sv/1.67/dir/cb7/image/cb71150adaa4a1de525b6ef1583e5bc1.jpg

Nice car!

Looks like Prodrive follow Ford by going up a class from Clio to Megane.

[danon]

^ damn good

[MrJan]

Topi announced as the second driver at EKS. Strikes me as strange to have all the ceremony around announcing a driver, postpone the announcement and then quietly tell everyone that it's the same guy as last season. I wonder if they were hoping to be lining up a big name and then it fell through, forcing them to renegotiate with Topi.

Megane looks good, sounds like they're aiming for a first event at Loheac with a full season next year. Be interesting to see if they bring in another driver to have a two man team, can't see Chicherit making too many waves on his own.

[Alpha]

Topi announced as the second driver at EKS. Strikes me as strange to have all the ceremony around announcing a driver, postpone the announcement and then quietly tell everyone that it's the same guy as last season. I wonder if they were hoping to be lining up a big name and then it fell through, forcing them to renegotiate with Topi.

Megane looks good, sounds like they're aiming for a first event at Loheac with a full season next year. Be interesting to see if they bring in another driver to have a two man team, can't see Chicherit making too many waves on his own.
I thought the same. Either someone big fell through or they think that's a good SoMe strategy. Silly either way.

That Megane looks good, let's hope they get a fast guy for the second seat.

[danon]

like it...

http://www.diariomotor.com/competicion/imagenes/2017/02/renault-megane-rs-rx-supercar-2018-prodrive-4.jpg

http://www.diariomotor.com/competicion/imagenes/2017/02/renault-megane-rs-rx-supercar-2018-prodrive-2.jpg

http://www.diariomotor.com/competicion/imagenes/2017/02/renault-megane-rs-rx-supercar-2018-prodrive-3.jpg

http://www.diariomotor.com/competicion/imagenes/2017/02/renault-megane-rs-rx-supercar-2018-prodrive.jpg

http://www.diariomotor.com/competicion/imagenes/2017/02/renault-megane-rs-rx-supercar-2018-prodrive-1.jpg

[seb_sh]

Yeah a nice addition to World Rallycross!

[Simmi]

Very good for the sport to have this project waiting in the wings. Interested to see how much works Renault involvement we can expect. Or really whether this is just completely Prodrive with no manufacturer cooperation. Let's see.

[tomhlord]

Very good for the sport to have this project waiting in the wings. Interested to see how much works Renault involvement we can expect. Or really whether this is just completely Prodrive with no manufacturer cooperation. Let's see.

Smells like they have been given the rights to use the I.P. and not much else at this point and have everything crossed that a good performance will see further $$$ from Renault.

[MrJan]

Few bits of news over the last few days. Chicherit running a Clio Supercar in a number of events this year in lead up to the Megane.
Timo Scheider announced pretty much full time with Max Pucher's team, with the exception of Lydden when Andrew Jordan will fill in for him.

Will be interesting to see how Jordan gets on, last time he was in a Fiesta at Lydden he finished on the podium, although things have moved on quite a bit since then and I think the competition is stronger.

[markf8691]

Hi guys

Question for anybody whose been to Lydden Hill before.

Going this year for first time, bought weekend tickets, what does that allow us to do/go i.e are you able to see the cars in paddock or what?

Also where the best place to stand/sit?

Thanks

[Arnold Triyudho Wardono]

Few bits of news over the last few days. Chicherit running a Clio Supercar in a number of events this year in lead up to the Megane.
Timo Scheider announced pretty much full time with Max Pucher's team, with the exception of Lydden when Andrew Jordan will fill in for him.

Will be interesting to see how Jordan gets on, last time he was in a Fiesta at Lydden he finished on the podium, although things have moved on quite a bit since then and I think the competition is stronger.
Keep in mind that Andy was driving OMSE Fiesta..

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[JUF]

Keep in mind that Andy was driving OMSE Fiesta.. Yes, the Fiesta of MJP Racing should be faster. So is Andrew even able to fight for the win :D?

[MrJan]

Going this year for first time, bought weekend tickets, what does that allow us to do/go i.e are you able to see the cars in paddock or what?

Also where the best place to stand/sit?

In previous years you can get anywhere, but it seems to get busier and tighter every season so this year might be restricted. I took this shot at about 11pm on the Friday evening in 2014, Petter was still about talking to the mechanics too (sorry if the photo is giant, can't work out how to resize)
https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/11146647_10153217884051418_8016972921794812309_o.j pg?oh=2268e934df923958d1d974fe459d8791&oe=5940001A

During the lunch break 'drift show' I even managed to wander onto the pre-grid in 2015 and took this shot
https://www.instagram.com/p/3BtSCsyHfd/?taken-by=snoodymcflude

For standing, you can basically choose anywhere and still see pretty much the whole track, so I wouldn't bother paying for seating. Personally I like to wander around the track during Saturday morning practice and watch from a few spots. Then when the racing starts we tend to set up on the last corner and watch there, it's not that close to the track but gives a good view and is close to the campsite....although that's if they don't change it. First two years you could roll up to the campsite on Friday night and set up, have a barbecue and generally relax. However last year they closed the campsite for Friday night so we had to stay in the car park and then move in the morning. Also they stopped fires because apparently the bit that they call the campsite is actually a car park for the purposes of insurance :S So security were walking around on Saturday night telling people to put out fires...in fact iirc one group even had their fire put out by the track's fire crew!


Keep in mind that Andy was driving OMSE Fiesta.

Yep, and back then it was an okay car, but I'm not convinced at the minute. I know that Timur had some pretty storming races in the Austria car last year but I can't see it being on a par with the money that EKS, Hansen and VW have. But Jordan is a decent driver and home advantage can work wonders, remember that Wilks took a 1600 Mini to the final in 2015.

[tomhlord]

Hi guys

Question for anybody whose been to Lydden Hill before.

Going this year for first time, bought weekend tickets, what does that allow us to do/go i.e are you able to see the cars in paddock or what?

Also where the best place to stand/sit?

Thanks

MrJan has all your bases covered there.

In 2016 the paddock was still open to all on the Sunday. Just wander about and see the cars being worked on. Watch out for S1600 cars driving about.

Vision of the action is excellent, the track is small and you can get close at every corner. Even stand right next to the pre-grid, listen to the drivers talking.

Here are some image I took, as you can see, close to the track and right in the paddock, even Loeb rising a bike - https://www.flickr.com/photos/tomhlord/albums/72157668765758732

Sadly, it took over 4 hours to exit the car park at the end of the day. The sport seems to have outgrown the venue.

[Simmi]

Definitely recommend getting to Lydden for WRX while you still can.

Went for a full weekend last year for the first time and loved it. Can walk around the paddock easily like others have said. Super compact - great elevated views.

Enjoyed walking around the track in the evening on the Saturday. Even came home with a signed front bumper from the guy who won the Euro S1600 race (and championship). There was an autograph session after all the action had finished too on the Saturday.

Only a couple of things to be aware of. Main one being the car park as everyone will tell you. If you're camping this actually puts you in a decent position. Get up early on the Sunday around the time of doors opening and move your car as far up the hill towards the entrance/exit as you can. We legged it from the finish and were about 15 cars from the top of the car park and it still took the best part of 30 stressful minutes to get out. Literally every metre closer you can get does help.

Second is that a lot of people will chain chairs to the fence overnight to reserve a spot for raceday - so just be aware of that. A big part of me would love to just pitch up in front of someone's chairs on the Sunday and see how they react.

[MrJan]

Hansen announce Timmy, Kevin and Loeb for next season. Reckon Timmy can upset his brother. Further interest added by EKSRX tweeting something along the lines of "well done for announcing 3 drivers, we'll have to catch up before the season starts"

[Alpha]

Petter also has three Polos so unless he wants one in backup...

[NoName]

Hansen announce Timmy, Kevin and Loeb for next season. Reckon Timmy can upset his brother. Further interest added by EKSRX tweeting something along the lines of "well done for announcing 3 drivers, we'll have to catch up before the season starts"

EKSRX have 4 cars, and are always tweeting like this, did the same hole last season. There will be some quest drviers in car number 3 this year.

[Sulland]

Petter also has three Polos so unless he wants one in backup...

Does Petter have 16 or has/will he managed to get hold of the 17 version?

[Alpha]

17

[sindroms]

Further interest added by EKSRX tweeting something along the lines of "well done for announcing 3 drivers, we'll have to catch up before the season starts"

Confirmed. Reinis Nitišs as a 3rd EKSRX driver.

[MrJan]

EKSRX have 4 cars, and are always tweeting like this, did the same hole last season. There will be some quest drviers in car number 3 this year.

Wrong. Nitiss announced as third driver.

[MrJan]

Does Petter have 16 or has/will he managed to get hold of the 17 version?

I think it's a mix, 17 Polo combined with the 16 to suit RX regs.

[NoName]

Wrong. Nitiss announced as third driver.

Yes. Awesome =) Will be a strong team. My mistake

[Alpha]

But only two cars qualify for championship points?

[MrJan]

Yes. Awesome =) Will be a strong team. My mistake

Yeah should be good, I think he's a stronger driver than Topi but will be interesting to see.

Some hints at some other news later today too, not sure which team though, could be EuroRX or one of the support series.

[jbmarcus21]

Who ? Where ? With which RX cars ? Preliminary list of drivers & Team @FIAWorldRX 2017 ➡ http://bit.ly/2m16wtP

[Luijbregts]

Who ? Where ? With which RX cars ? Preliminary list of drivers & Team @FIAWorldRX 2017 ➡ http://bit.ly/2m16wtP

Volkswagen WRX - Polo RX
Petter Solberg
Johan Kristoffersson

Hoonigan Racing - Focus RX
Ken Block
Andreas Bakkerud

EKS RX - Audi S1 RX
Matthias Ekstrom
Toomas Heikkinen
Reins Nittiss

Peugeot WRC Hansen - 208 RX
Sebastien Loeb
Timmy Hansen
Kevin Hansen

MJP Racing Team Austria - Fiesta RX
Kevin Eriksson
Timo Scheider

Prodrive World RX - Clio/Megane RX
Guerlain Chicherit

Andreas Eriksson RX - Fiesta RX (Not yet confirmed though)
Timur Timerzyanov
Janis Baumanis
Niklas Gronholm

[Luijbregts]

Jordan is just a one off at Lydden Hill