Rally D'Italia Sardegna 2014

[Tom206wrc]

Mads Östberg very fast on SS4 :bounce:

[rage82]

Miko's car on fire from Robert Kubica's perspective I suppose:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8i-jjOTX12E&feature=youtu.be

[Tom206wrc]

SS5 on the way too :)

[jonkka]

After four stages, four different SS winners and lead has changed four times (three, if first leader is not considered a change).

[Langdale Forest]

Nueville stopped on stage

[jonkka]

Oh? No!

[Eli]

battery problem for Meeke.....god damn it

[Fast Eddie WRC]

So many car problems these days...

Except VW...

[Tom206wrc]

Latvala really fast on SS5 :eek:

[Mintexmemory]

Latvala really fast on SS5 :eek:
Easy to do if you've still got the rubber ;)

[Tom206wrc]

Problem for McCormack ??? Not on start SS4(normally before Chardonnet) :confused:

[jonkka]

If I am not entirely mistaken, Latvala will be as high as 2nd after this stage? :eek:

[Eli]

Kris stopped, bad battery...what a bit of rotten luck...better luck next time in Poland:((

[Mirek]

Looks like all three Hyundai cars hit problems...

[Eli]

Kris stopped, bad battery...what a bit of rotten luck...better luck next time in Poland:(

[Eli]

problems for everyone it seems, and as someone said before me:"apart from VW"

[Mintexmemory]

Kris stopped, bad battery...what a bit of rotten luck...better luck next time in Poland:((


No entirely over given the attrition rate - Super rally with 2 full days to go could get back to the points. As I see it only Hanninen can stop JML taking the lead and even if he does I don't see him holding it on the second passage

Up date - Hanninen massively slower than JML - lead to VW I believe!

[Tom206wrc]

problems for everyone it seems, and as someone said before me:"apart from VW"

Also Östberg has no problem so far ;)

[Eli]

Also Östberg has no problem so far ;)
Don't Jynx IT!!!!!

[jonkka]

What's jynx? A lynx with bad teeth?

[jonkka]

Kubica will pass Ogier? :eek:

[Mirek]

Juho rolled?

[mousti]

Paddon Neuville stopped and Hanninen rolled SS5 drama for Hyundai..

[jonkka]

So it's fifth SS winner in five stages and another change in rally leader.

[Francis44]

I think all three of the Hyundai cars were reported to have "strange noises" from the stages before, I guess the car is not capable of dealing with rocks.

[Rallyper]

So Ogier gains 4 places and a big bunch of seconds...

[EightGear]

So Ogier gains 4 places and a big bunch of seconds...

How? He only lost more seconds and gained 2 places, not 4.

[jonkka]

Four places? He was 8th and +21,5s from lead after SS4, now he's 6th and +19,9s from lead.
Latvala on the other hand was 6th and +18,7s from lead after SS4, now he's rally leader.

[Francis44]

I still can't believe we might have a proper battle between the VW duo if Latvala keeps driving like this. I can't imagine how mad Ogier will be if he gets beaten by Latvala twice in a row.

[Mintexmemory]

So Ogier gains 4 places and a big bunch of seconds...

Not on JML or Mads though!! Do Super rally now start ahead of the full stage completion crews?

TN is better off not completing the stage and taking 25 mins penalty to super rally

[jonkka]

Do Super rally now start ahead of the full stage completion crews?

Yes.

[Mintexmemory]

Yes.
In which case Ogier will have the benefit of substantial sweeping tomorrow from his likely start position. Should be a great scrap

[Tom206wrc]

Great time by Karl Kruuda on the SS5 in WRC2 :D

[Fast Eddie WRC]

First day, first loop... where it all happens in WRC these days... :crazy:

[stefanvv]

First day, first loop... where it all happens in WRC these days... :crazy:

...and they think shootout would be interesting...

[Mintexmemory]

First day, first loop... where it all happens in WRC these days... :crazy:
As the old saying goes -you don't necessarily win on the first day but you can sure as hell lose!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

TN back in parc ferme

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bpc8iQYCEAAyawD.jpg

[dimviii]

(21 - Prokop Martin / Tománek Jan): I almost hit one marshall running 100 m behind place where Thierry stopped. I lost concentration then.

[dimviii]

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[dimviii]

Kruuda 1st at wrc 2 with 26,2 diff from Nasser!

[Rallyper]

How? He only lost more seconds and gained 2 places, not 4.

From last time I looked (SS3) it was 4 places and the bunch of seconds off the lead would have been quite more if Juho and Thierry (eg. his car) had done their job...

[dimviii]

how much delay has the rally? when starts ss 6?

[Francis44]

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Damn I hope both are ok. Unfortunately I think it's over for Hanninen this season.

[Rallyper]

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Huyndai shall take car back to service for check... I´d say no check just back to workshop and change of bodyshell. No restart for Juho for sure!

[makinen_fan]

how much delay has the rally? when starts ss 6?

it was 1h20min before regroup

[dimviii]

thanks maninen fan!

Neuville at Service/1: "I felt something break on the steering and we had to stop and change the part..."

Neuville/2: "I tried to replace the bolt...not from the steering from the suspension." Expects to get out on time...

[Tom206wrc]

Massive loss of time for Egon Kaur(WRC2) toward the end of SS5(last two splits) :confused:

[Kalm]

he was doing a superb job in his fist outing with the R5... :(

[JTGANG]

I really like so much Hanninen (have met him personally and he is a really nice guy) and i believed on him so much for a factory seat but it seems unfortunately he does not have the metal to achieve something in the big league

[jonkka]

how much delay has the rally? when starts ss 6?

WRC.com live text says:
A revised schedule following the earlier delays shows that SS6 should get under way at 17.14. We're off for a VERY late lunch and will be back then.......

[Tom206wrc]

CIR(italian championship) start is scheduled for(SS6 is SS2 for them) 17.46 ;)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

https://scontent-b-ams.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/t1.0-9/q71/s720x720/1524872_260048710867841_9059696900237829381_n.jpg

Havent seen a WRC car as destroyed as that in a crash for a long while ... :eek:

[N.O.T]

that is just the back of the car... the accident was not that big.

[Tom206wrc]

Normally SS6 started :confused:

[dimviii]

Massive loss of time for Egon Kaur(WRC2) toward the end of SS5(last two splits) :confused:

3 punctures at stage
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BpdHRGxIgAA4KiE.jpg:large

[dimviii]

Tyre News: all Michelin with 6 hards for this afternoon: Henning with 6 Xr5 @Rally_d_Italia

[Mintexmemory]

I see the WRC splits are their usual accurate condition!!!

[Tom206wrc]

Östberg with no split now :rolleyes:

[Tom206wrc]

VW 1-2-3 now..."for a change" ;)

[makinen_fan]

Funny little story:
http://www.maxrally.com/2014/06/06/wrc-driving-essentials-rule-1-dont-reverse-into-your-team-mate

[Mintexmemory]

VW 1-2-3 now..."for a change" ;)
You have a time lag , Mads back in 2nd o/a

[Mirek]

I really like so much Hanninen (have met him personally and he is a really nice guy) and i believed on him so much for a factory seat but it seems unfortunately he does not have the metal to achieve something in the big league

I agree with You. On the other hand he was also crashing all the time when he started with Škoda...

[Eli]

will Meeke Restart tommorow?

[jonkka]

I don't see why he wouldn't.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

You have a time lag , Mads back in 2nd o/a

I think he meant VW 1-2-3 on SS6 ...

And after all the mayhem we only have Ostberg left to fight them... :rolleyes:

[COD]

Damn I hope both are ok. Unfortunately I think it's over for Hanninen this season.

He was nominated for Poland and will most probably do Finland as well, so not totally over

[Mintexmemory]

I think he meant VW 1-2-3 on SS6 ...

And after all the mayhem we only have Ostberg left to fight them... :roll:

He needs to be cool now, Ogier is going to swallow Mikkelsen sometime soon but if Mads can keep his gap constant he'll still have a slight advantage tomorrow. That said, I think the best he can hope for is 3rd as the VW guys slug it out.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

JML still taking time off Ogier ... now has a 22s lead over him after SS7. :)

[Eli]

radio connection a bit too fragile...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Asked if he was enjoying his driving more than ever, a super-confident Latvala replied : "I think you are a little bit right!"

[dimviii]

Now Ogier faster till split3 .

[arko5]

Seb is getting quicker ;)

[Eli]

if nothing happens to Ogier next stage- 20 seconds for 2 days-should be able to challange for win or at very least a podium.

[Allyc85]

Ogier will win ;)

[Eli]

if there will be dust tommorow morning it will mix things up a bit.

[dimviii]

Nasser attacking Kruuda at this stage.

[dimviii]

ps guys are they working the private messages section for you? i cant =error

[MikeD]

Damn, I hope Kubica holds it home in 5th place. Being best Ford would be a really good result and a confidence booster.

[Eli]

battle of the vikings tommorow..should be intresting.

[Mintexmemory]

Ogier will win ;)

My fiver on JML at 4-1 says he won't!! ;)

[Eli]

no splits from Kubica after 2nd split...let's hope he's ok

[Eli]

my bad.. 3rd quickest on this stage...

[Juha_Koo]

ps guys are they working the private messages section for you? i cant =error

Good note, apparently they don't work... I've "sent" few but haven't gotten answers and they don't show up in my sent-folder... Moderators, could you check it out, thnx...

[Tom206wrc]

I hope Kruuda is OK on SS9 he has no split :confused:

[KKS]

Kruuda out?

[wrc45]

He said that suddenly the suspension broke. He did not hit anything. Unlucky

[Tom206wrc]

Oh no :mad: ;(

[dimviii]

Kruuda out?
Broken suspension clip for Kruuda says one report
Al-Kuwari on Kruuda: "I saw him stopped beside the stage...no problem, they are out of the car


pitty he was going very well.

[dimviii]

Nasser Al-Attiyah held second before the test but Yazeed Al Rajhi outpaces the Qatari by 9.2sec to hold the overnight lead by 4.1sec.

[Tom206wrc]

Problem for Gilbert too :confused:

[dimviii]

this must be the jump Ogier was talking about the bad position of photographers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aU7A4vW4fkE

[Sulland]

Spledid comment by Henning:

(SS16 - Solberg Henning / Minor Ilka): I'm quite happy. I'm fit and fat. :-)

[N.O.T]

pity that both Hyundais and Hirvonen retired, we could have a battle for a little while tomorrow. Now it is in the hands of VW to let them fight and risk or decide who wins.

[dimviii]

List of Tänak problems: Powersteering, turbo, open trunk, differentials, intercom, punctures.

[dimviii]

pity that both Hyundais and Hirvonen retired, we could have a battle for a little while tomorrow. Now it is in the hands of VW to let them fight and risk or decide who wins.

your prediction?http://www.4tforum.gr/phpBB3/images/smilies/whistling.gif

[EightGear]

It's not only the 208 that's falling apart...

[dimviii]

where is Jafry?http://www.4tforum.gr/phpBB3/images/smilies/rant2.gif


https://www.flickr.com/photos/bestofrallylive/

[KKS]

Hyundai win in jump contest :)

[stefanvv]

What? again?

EDIT: How many meters against Ogier?

[bluuford]

List of Tänak problems: Powersteering, turbo, open trunk, differentials, intercom, punctures.
Looks like a good and calm day in office :-P Looks like he stepped out from the bed with wrong leng..
Longer story looks like this:
First, 2kms into SS2, we lost powersteering. Restart fixed it, but then the turbo broke..."
From then on, the powersteering stopped working, permanently. To top it all off, we had a front right puncture."
"On the liaison, we got the powersteering to work. On the next stage, the differentials stopped working."
"On SS4, the boot suddenly opened, filling the car with dust."
"On SS5, we first lost our intercom and then we had a puncture, but we had no more spares so we had to retire."

[bluuford]

List of Tänak problems: Powersteering, turbo, open trunk, differentials, intercom, punctures.
Looks like a good and calm day in office :-P He probably stepped out from the bed with a wrong leg..
Longer story looks like this:
First, 2kms into SS2, we lost powersteering. Restart fixed it, but then the turbo broke..."
From then on, the powersteering stopped working, permanently. To top it all off, we had a front right puncture."
"On the liaison, we got the powersteering to work. On the next stage, the differentials stopped working."
"On SS4, the boot suddenly opened, filling the car with dust."
"On SS5, we first lost our intercom and then we had a puncture, but we had no more spares so we had to retire."

[bluuford]

double, triple post

[stefanvv]

Looks like a good and calm day in office :-P He probably stepped out from the bed with a wrong leg..
Longer story looks like this:
First, 2kms into SS2, we lost powersteering. Restart fixed it, but then the turbo broke..."
From then on, the powersteering stopped working, permanently. To top it all off, we had a front right puncture."
"On the liaison, we got the powersteering to work. On the next stage, the differentials stopped working."
"On SS4, the boot suddenly opened, filling the car with dust."
"On SS5, we first lost our intercom and then we had a puncture, but we had no more spares so we had to retire."

That's amazing survival, still none of these damages is terminal.

[bluuford]

Yeah.. on the other hand.. Mikkelsen is driving with the tank:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ud1zfFaaiSE&app=desktop
Look at the end of video and stop it on the 21st or 22nd second...this car is tank!

[Mirek]

It's not only the 208 that's falling apart...

I remember that already before first R5 came we had a discussion concerning fear of their reliability. Clearly it's the downside of the formula.

[br21]

I remember that already before first R5 came we had a discussion concerning fear of their reliability. Clearly it's the downside of the formula.

In my opinion it's not that bad. It's first time I hear about turbo problem in Fiesta R5 and also about diff problems. And I follow those cars quite closely.
Boot opening, puncture or intercom problems are not problems related to type of the car in my opinion.
Powersteering is a problem in Fiesta, that's true.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

this must be the jump Ogier was talking about the bad position of photographers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aU7A4vW4fkE

That reminds me of the Group B days, although then it was fans not just photographers getting too close.

After the deaths in Scotland last week nothing is learned and another tragedy was only a tiny mistake away. Shocking. :disturb:

[nafpaktos]

I remember that already before first R5 came we had a discussion concerning fear of their reliability. Clearly it's the downside of the formula.
R5 are really fast cars but the r5 formula has a lot of problems. Of course it is cheaper to a wrcar but this doesn't mean its a cheap car.when you pay 165000(in english currency)you demand reliability.as i read in motorsport monday because some parts are from production cars you have to change this parts very often,so finally its not a cheap formula.i think its good cars but for national one day events,not for hard events.fortunately for these cars acropolis(the real thing) is out.i thing not even one car could finish our rally(the original as i said)without a bunch of problems IF ouf course could finish.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Mikkos car burning:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5OPVyo9vxo

[Mk2 RS2000]

"Saw SOS, so we stopped, because you don't go past a SOS sign. After that we just cruised. Little bit of a car park"

One would expect that a time allowance would be given for a safety related issue such as this for it can all be verified by the on board camera.

[bluuford]

I remember that last rally Fuchs retired on the last stage of the Day and he got only 5 minutes penalty. Someone told that this is new rule and now it is only 5 minutes for each missed stage. Today I am looking the final leaderboard and I can see that Gilbert and Kruuda have both got 10 minutes penalty for not finishing the last stage. Is the rule changed back?.. was there such a new rule in reality? brr...

[stefanvv]

Yeah.. on the other hand.. Mikkelsen is driving with the tank:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ud1zfFaaiSE&app=desktop
Look at the end of video and stop it on the 21st or 22nd second...this car is tank!

Whoa, probably VW took some precautions after Mexico and strenghtened it.

[stefanvv]

I remember that last rally Fuchs retired on the last stage of the Day and he got only 5 minutes penalty. Someone told that this is new rule and now it is only 5 minutes for each missed stage. Today I am looking the final leaderboard and I can see that Gilbert and Kruuda have both got 10 minutes penalty for not finishing the last stage. Is the rule changed back?.. was there such a new rule in reality? brr...

I think it was 5 mins if the last is super special, but there was some change I remember as well

[Mirek]

In my opinion it's not that bad. It's first time I hear about turbo problem in Fiesta R5 and also about diff problems. And I follow those cars quite closely.
Boot opening, puncture or intercom problems are not problems related to type of the car in my opinion.
Powersteering is a problem in Fiesta, that's true.

There was a fair amount of problems with all R5 cars around. With Fiesta I recall mainly problems with overheating and electric glitches (quite frequent). With Pugs it's mainly the well known story with overheating. Obviously the reliability of them is worse than of S2000 cars. Especially in WRC events the reliability record of R5 cars has been far from impressive so far.

[tfp]

Are the any links to the highlights today? I can't find a link!

[vino_93]

I remember that last rally Fuchs retired on the last stage of the Day and he got only 5 minutes penalty. Someone told that this is new rule and now it is only 5 minutes for each missed stage. Today I am looking the final leaderboard and I can see that Gilbert and Kruuda have both got 10 minutes penalty for not finishing the last stage. Is the rule changed back?.. was there such a new rule in reality? brr...

Oh that wasn't a new rule. Only a mistake done by FIA when they wrote the regulation ... How stupid they are...

[KKS]

I remember that last rally Fuchs retired on the last stage of the Day and he got only 5 minutes penalty. Someone told that this is new rule and now it is only 5 minutes for each missed stage. Today I am looking the final leaderboard and I can see that Gilbert and Kruuda have both got 10 minutes penalty for not finishing the last stage. Is the rule changed back?.. was there such a new rule in reality? brr...
they changed it back ))) now +10min

http://www.rallyitaliasardegna.com/public/2014/pdf/Circolari_informative/bulletin_5.pdf
H)

[stefanvv]

they changed it back ))) now +10min

Cool, let's continue change back and get rid of Rally2 then.

[dimviii]

double post

[dimviii]

the vision when cars take off the jump is magic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiSwFIWMXjk

[stefanvv]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AHEcCJ8vYI

[dimviii]

watch at the video for the stages 4-6 the fire on the grass.Fortunately not a lot of wind.
http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/news/june/italy-friday-wrap/page/1448--12-12-.html

[dimviii]

Kruuda/1: “We were just driving normally on the road and we just heard a hit, it was not a big hit & I thought it would be a puncture..."
Kruuda/2: "...but actually it was the lower bolt holding the damper to the hub that broke off. The front-left wheel was just on its side.."
Kruuda/3: "I am very disappointed. I hope to come back tomorrow. I need all the points I can for the championship.

[dimviii]

http://www.rallye-magazin.de/typo3temp/yag-galleries/20/57/205790_539236d21.jpg
http://www.rallye-magazin.de/typo3temp/yag-galleries/20/53/205304_539233827.jpg
http://www.rallye-magazin.de/typo3temp/yag-galleries/20/42/204244_5390b07c8.jpg
http://www.rallye-magazin.de/typo3temp/yag-galleries/20/41/204152_5390aff88.jpg

[EightGear]

http://www.rallye-magazin.de/typo3temp/yag-galleries/20/57/205790_539236d21.jpg


Oh. My. Fantastic.

[dimviii]

http://www.rallye-magazin.de/typo3temp/yag-galleries/20/41/204170_5390affa7.jpg
http://www.rallye-magazin.de/typo3temp/yag-galleries/20/41/204188_5390affcb.jpg
http://www.rallye-magazin.de/typo3temp/yag-galleries/20/53/205308_53923382c.jpg
http://www.rallye-magazin.de/typo3temp/yag-galleries/20/58/205806_539236e8c.jpg

[dimviii]

some nice air photos
http://rallye-cult.de/rallye_2014/sardinien/sardinien.html
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.599095396855071.1073741929.305162716248342&type=1

Start List: Meeke, Neuville, Melicharek, Al-Qassimi, Paddon, Solberg, Prokop, Evans, Kubica, Mikkelsen, Østberg, Ogier, Latvala...

[stefanvv]

Was Meeke driving his last stage without helmet? Isn't that forbidden?

[mousti]

Kruuda/1: “We were just driving normally on the road and we just heard a hit, it was not a big hit & I thought it would be a puncture..."
Kruuda/2: "...but actually it was the lower bolt holding the damper to the hub that broke off. The front-left wheel was just on its side.."
Kruuda/3: "I am very disappointed. I hope to come back tomorrow. I need all the points I can for the championship.

Pace of 208 is good on gravel but reliability is still bad, will stay like that till their next phase of homologation I think..

[stefanvv]

till their next phase of homologation I think..

Which is? I thought they already have new radiator ready for Ypres, but heating problems aside, now there are others, and may be heating is not solved yet. I agree with Mirek - R5 formula is bad, if Acropolis wasn't half asphalt, but old recent format, perhaps Peugeot woudn't win it, they must think of new way to cut the costs, probably normal fuel would be a good start.

[litifeta]

the vision when cars take off the jump is magic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiSwFIWMXjk

that Best of Rally Live photographer has great vision but I can't watch them anymore. That freaking music just annoys the crap out of me.

[rage82]

And that slow motion is also so boring for me!

Sent from my W200 using Tapatalk

[dimviii]

Gilbert
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BpgB72MIAAAwNIF.jpg:large

[dimviii]

TYRE NEWS Michelin says 5 hards for all their WRC drivers, except Neuville & Paddon with 4 hards, 2 softs @michelin_sport

[Mirek]

Which is? I thought they already have new radiator ready for Ypres, but heating problems aside, now there are others, and may be heating is not solved yet. I agree with Mirek - R5 formula is bad, if Acropolis wasn't half asphalt, but old recent format, perhaps Peugeot woudn't win it, they must think of new way to cut the costs, probably normal fuel would be a good start.

I haven't said it was bad formula...

[stefanvv]

I haven't said it was bad formula...

No actually, You're right - You said unreliability is a downside, I interpreted that as "bad"

[papar007]

Mikkelsen vs Ostberg
Latvala vs Ogier
Bet now

[6789]

Ogier and Ostberg I thik

[jonkka]

I would go exactly the opposite way

[papar007]

Ogier,Ostberg

[jonkka]

Latvala using Ogier's trick of not showing splits? :eek:

[Eli]

Ostberg a bit too far away from Ogier, if he keeps 3rd i'll be pleased.

[6789]

I would go exactly the opposite way

Yeah I will be very happy if JML can get another win. I think it comes down to the long stage (tyre management).

Nice battle

[stefanvv]

http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/news/june/hanninen-crash-cause/page/1451--12-12-.html

[Francis44]

Latvala on mad mode, more than 6 seconds faster than Ogier.

[stefanvv]

I think it comes down to the long stage (tyre management).

Nice battle

I agree, lets see who has better tyres

[dimviii]

lol
https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/t1.0-9/10329070_667642309955793_4069664191003850768_n.jpg

[Eli]

poor Mikko, nasty way to end the rally, it's not his year...

[Mk2 RS2000]

Just for our English friends, half time score England 9 Vs All Blacks 9. all penalties.

[jonkka]

On the picture right, Mikko looks like he's been partying for a week and slept hardly at all.

[dimviii]

why no comments from Ogier Latvala?
http://www.best-of-rallylive.com/Evenements/Rally-Italia-Sardegna-2014#ong_news

[makinen_fan]

Donaldson is 15-20min away from stage end, so cars are not coming in order

[dimviii]

lolololol
Ogier 13:37.9: "We had no splits [from Latvala] except at the end - he did a really good time on this one - we have to push on the next one"

Latvala 13:31.6: "The car is good, everything is fine...the thing to concentrate now is on the tyres"

[dimviii]

fight now!!http://www.4tforum.gr/phpBB3/images/smilies/devil.gif

[dimviii]

[SS10] Jari-Matti Latvala (Volkswagen) 13:31.6 "The car is good everything is fine. The main thing is now to concentrate and save your tyres in the beginning, you do not want to wear them down. Careful on acceleration and try not to lock the tyres on braking."

[litifeta]

onboard monte lerno https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUSkyHTUg8w

[dimviii]

cars when waiting for the long one.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bpg5CDTIIAEJgYJ.jpg:large

[Tom206wrc]

Great time by Kruuda again in SS10 :)
But he hasn't a lot to lose now :(

Kaur in SS10 :confused:

[litifeta]

a huge thunderstorm would be perfect right now. Drop buckets of rain on the stages

[dimviii]

nobody writes somethinghttp://www.4tforum.gr/phpBB3/images/smilies/frown.gif

[6789]

Waiting for the fight to start ;)

[dimviii]

Ogier started

[stefanvv]

Kubica's pushing now as he promised

[dimviii]

lol
Latvala has started - no first split for Ogier yet

[stefanvv]

Looks like Ostberg has upper hand, Ogier & Latvala their own league

[makinen_fan]

On par so far, interesting to see how the tyres last for each of the two

[jonkka]

Seems that wrc.com times (both stage and split times) have a design flaw (or feature). Plain refresh either, even with F5, does not always refresh page content eg. times but if you select another stage from dropdown and then select current stage again, times are updated. Voilá.

[stefanvv]

Seems that wrc.com times (both stage and split times) have a design flaw (or feature). Plain refresh either, even with F5, does not always refresh page content eg. times but if you select another stage from dropdown and then select current stage again, times are updated. Voilá.

Mine are auto updated, for the current stage selected

[Tom206wrc]

Looks like Ostberg has upper hand...

His split stopped :confused:

[stefanvv]

His split stopped :confused:

Don't know about that, but looks like Mikkelsen & Latvala are heating their tyres slower

[Mk2 RS2000]

Just for our English friends, half time score England 9 Vs All Blacks 9. all penalties.

Full time NZ 20 England 15

[Mintexmemory]

Mikkelsen could be just keeping the gap to Mads steady. Remember he has more fresh tyres left. JML just has to be sensible and he's got another win. If SebO can't make a significant dent in the gap this morning it's unlikely he'll do so this afternoon. Maybe the psychologist has finally found the correct JML button to push!

[jonkka]

Full time NZ 20 England 15

Please, don't.

[Tom206wrc]

This is very tight between Östberg and Mikkelsen :)

[stefanvv]

Now it's Kubica
The Pole goes fastest. "It was good and there was better grip than expected and that gave me confidence."

[jonkka]

Mikkelsen could be just keeping the gap to Mads steady.

Why? I'd think Andreas would want to get third?

[Tom206wrc]

Now suddenly Bertelli becomes the fastest in WRC2 :confused:

[dimviii]

Kaur rolled,Al Rajhi rolled

[jonkka]

Seems that my betting is partly incorrect. Ostberg seems to be able to hold against Mikkelsen as is Latvala doing against Ogier.

[dimviii]

Ogier 9.1 faster than Latvala at final split

[Mintexmemory]

Why? I'd think Andreas would want to get third?
Yes and when Ostberg has worse tyres left to him then Andreas can really push!

[dimviii]

i think everything is open for overall if Ogier gain about 11 seconds

[stefanvv]

Ogier massive gain on this monster stage. Looks like tomorrow will be no difference

[dimviii]

Latvala 37:26.8: "Temperature went 132 - I turned the ALS off, went into road mode, I thought we would have to retire, very stressful. OK"

[dimviii]

cross fingers engine is not damaged working with 132 celsious for so many kms.

[jonkka]

i think everything is open for overall if Ogier gain about 11 seconds

Very good guess, exactly correct!

[litifeta]

What is the ALS acronym?

[jonkka]

AntiLagSystem
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antilag_system

[litifeta]

oh yes. the thing that gives the Evos that cracking sound.

[dimviii]

Very good guess, exactly correct!

now as we know that these 11 seconds were due to Latvala run the most of this stage with road mode without antilag i am not so sure.Engine ecu when see 132 water temp reduce advance/boost and you have a big bhp loss.
So Latvalas time is excellent under these conditions.Seems that he can handle Ogier at this rally this weekend.
of course we dont know what tyre strategy they have both.
as i said cross fingers engine is ok and not damaged to see a proper dogfight.

[Tom206wrc]

Massive loss for many drivers in WRC2 !!!!! What the hell happens to them on SS11 ??? :eek:

[litifeta]

might be a few cross words said at the service park from Ogier.

[jonkka]

now as we know that these 11 seconds were due to Latvala run the most of this stage with road mode without antilag i am not so sure.

Report only said that he turned it off, no mention when. I seriously doubt he'd be able to keep up with Ogier if he'd have to run on road mode for a long so my 2c is that it happened relatively late. Their difference was 6 to 7 seconds most of the stage (splits 5 to 9) and only in final split it increased to 9 and then to 11 at the end.

[makinen_fan]

Jari getting a bit wide
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7tlYsToTW4&feature=youtu.be

[dimviii]

Mickys jump
http://www.forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_06_2014/post-4664-0-99500200-1402135859.png

[Eli]

is the 2nd loop in the opposite direction?

[stefanvv]

Report only said that he turned it off, no mention when. I seriously doubt he'd be able to keep up with Ogier if he'd have to run on road mode for a long so my 2c is that it happened relatively late. Their difference was 6 to 7 seconds most of the stage (splits 5 to 9) and only in final split it increased to 9 and then to 11 at the end.

He reported overheating on split 5, it has to happened there so easying the engine. Rather strange it fixed it for a short time

[dimviii]

Report only said that he turned it off, no mention when. I seriously doubt he'd be able to keep up with Ogier if he'd have to run on road mode for a long so my 2c is that it happened relatively late. Their difference was 6 to 7 seconds most of the stage (splits 5 to 9) and only in final split it increased to 9 and then to 11 at the end.

maybe the problem with als was between splits 4-5 when lost 6.7 seconds for about 6 kms.Maybe that was the point that engine temp went 132.
Switcing off als engine temp comes down progressively as kms passes.
Maybe at miday interview know at which km was the engine at 132.

[Mintexmemory]

is the 2nd loop in the opposite direction?

No - in current WRC it never is. Order
Can change but not direction

[dimviii]

Protasov: "For me, yellow flags 3 times. I drive slow"

Sousa 44:34.2: "I cannot bend my arm. Top of the stage we had to stop to change the tyre...in considerable discomfort at stage end

Chardonnet: "Yazeed went out of the road"

[dimviii]

Test of new electronic in-car yellow flag system was due to take place on SS10: crews get flashing light & beep which they must acknowledge

[dimviii]

Julian Porter @The_Rally_Guru · 47 λεπ.
Latvala on the team radio saying that they have high temperature and need to slow down.


that was before 47 minutes inside the stage,not at road to service

[Tom206wrc]

Protasov: "For me, yellow flags 3 times. I drive slow"

Sousa 44:34.2: "I cannot bend my arm. Top of the stage we had to stop to change the tyre...in considerable discomfort at stage end

Chardonnet: "Yazeed went out of the road"

Looks like the rest of WRC2 are in road driving mode now :confused:

[dimviii]

as i said he switched als off temps went down and he switched again als on.So seems that that was between splits 4-5.Listen his interview here
https://soundcloud.com/jari-matti-wrc

[sollitt]

Just started to follow today's action. Two stages gone. Now a 6 hour wait !!! And we wonder why this sport is struggling for popularity.
If it wasn't bad enough that today & tomorrow comprised only 4 stages each? What is happening to our sport?

[dimviii]

like a boss
https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/t1.0-9/10441314_10202641804460250_6579877257560281296_n.j pg

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bpc0UQmIEAAMCFQ.jpg:large

[Fast Eddie WRC]

"We had information from the team that Jari-Matti had stopped so we backed off a bit. But then we heard he was moving, so we could have been faster," said a frustrated Ogier.

Ogier has a cheek to complain about not getting splits and being told JML had stopped (but then continued) saying he could have gained even more time..

He should just be glad JML had a problem at all or he would probably have gained nothing.

This does nothing to get people to support him and more are behind JML.

[dimviii]

"We had information from the team that Jari-Matti had stopped so we backed off a bit. But then we heard he was moving, so we could have been faster," said a frustrated Ogier.

Ogier has a cheek to complain about not getting splits and being told JML had stopped (but then continued) saying he could have gained even more time..

He should just be glad JML had a problem at all or he would probably have gained nothing.

This does nothing to get people to support him and more are behind JML.

link Eddie?

[dimviii]

The gap plunged to 17.7sec, but Ogier felt it could have been even lower after confusion in the cockpit of his Polo R. He understood from a message sent to the car that Latvala had retired due to his problems and eased his pace, only to find later in the stage it wasn’t the case.

http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/news/june/italy-saturday-wrap/page/1453--12-12-.html

moaning at its best

[makinen_fan]

listen now to radio about new shootout format

[dimviii]

Colin Clark @voiceofrally · 36 λεπ.
Bernardo Sousa gets a helping hand from Hugo after damaging his right arm in Monte Lerno

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BphYXuWCYAAXb-b.jpg:large

[dimviii]

ulian Porter @The_Rally_Guru · 12 λεπ.
And if you wondered what Ogier was doing while all the others chatted, he went into field, found some shade & slept.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BpheMXLCQAAKyFq.jpg:large

Julian Porter @The_Rally_Guru · 26 λεπ.
While the other drivers & co drivers chatted and cleaned their windows Julien Ingrassia had a sleep.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bpha-uJIQAA_hdw.jpg:large

Julian Porter @The_Rally_Guru · 36 λεπ.
Well that was interesting, Ogier not happy that he was told that Latvala had stopped when he hadn't. Lunchtime could be interesting at VW!

[dimviii]

Julian Porter @The_Rally_Guru · 31 δευτ.
The Norwegian corner, @MadsOstberg chats to @HenningSolberg, mind you I'm not so sure he's paying to much attention.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bphhi1_IEAARFAs.jpg:large

[Sulland]

Just started to follow today's action. Two stages gone. Now a 6 hour wait !!! And we wonder why this sport is struggling for popularity.
If it wasn't bad enough that today & tomorrow comprised only 4 stages each? What is happening to our sport?

Yes 4 stages a day is not enough, I would guess not for the drivers either to keep switched on.
Why is this, that they only have 4 a day?

Impressive of Kubica to be fastest Ford on SS11, and so far 5th overall. The endurance part is starting to sink in.

[dimviii]

NOT are you alive?http://www.4tforum.gr/phpBB3/images/smilies/hmmm.gif

[dimviii]

Martin Kangur @MartinKangur · 1 ώρα
Rear left control arm broken on SS11. See you tomorrow! #WRC #Sardegna @ATRallyTeam

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BphZUCwIcAAVKu-.jpg:large

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Just started to follow today's action. Two stages gone. Now a 6 hour wait !!!

Suits me... Im off on holiday now and will arrive just in time for the next stage ! ;)

[br21]

strange... in four years experience (incl. SWRC) with Fiesta S2000 we never had such damaged arm

[dimviii]

TYRE NEWS Michelin says all with 6 hards, except Paddon with 5 hards for afternoon loop Henning 6 Pirelli Xr5s @Rally_d_Italia

[bluuford]

‏@marguskiiver 14m
Tänak lost in SS10 10-15 sec due the powersteering issue as he was forced to restart to the car

[Tom206wrc]

What happened to Karl Kruuda in SS11 his loss was massive :confused:

[dimviii]

What happened to Karl Kruuda in SS11 his loss was massive :confused:

broken bolt between front shock absorber and arm

[dimviii]

yesterday video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=OKsQbc9dhCY

[bluuford]

And also: #WRC WRC-2 Kruuda: "We had a fire after SS10, quite scary just before refuel.."

[dimviii]

am i alone again?http://www.4tforum.gr/phpBB3/images/smilies/wall.gif

[Rallyper]

am i alone again?http://www.4tforum.gr/phpBB3/images/smilies/wall.gif

No no Dimitri. Just quite boring after what happened yesterday. Only fight is which Polo who´s gonna win...

[Eli]

nope, your'e not alone and it will be 2 intresting stages now.

[Eli]

there will be still a fight(sort of) for 3rd place. and no splits comming from Kubica,let's hope he's ok.

[Eli]

no live streamed stages apart from the P.S tommorow right?

[jonkka]

am i alone again?http://www.4tforum.gr/phpBB3/images/smilies/wall.gif

Afraid of the dark, are you? :)

[dimviii]

dark beer?

[Eli]

yep, Kubica stopped.

[papar007]

Ci

[papar007]

2,6 on the first split!!!!

[stefanvv]

Oh, no

[dimviii]

Neuville and Evans about half minute faster than morning.

[Tom206wrc]

yep, Kubica stopped.


Already in the trees :confused:

[Rallyper]

JML and Seb playing Cat and mouse game with tracking system.

[stefanvv]

nice
http://www.volkswagen-motorsport.com/fileadmin/user_upload/Fans_Friends/1%20WRC/Rallye/Italien/Berichterstattung/2014/20140607/Galerie/886x498px_vw-20140607-0865.jpg

[Rallyper]

JML and Seb playing Cat and mouse game with tracking system.

Edit: now sebs times are back...

[dimviii]

JML and Seb playing Cat and mouse game with tracking system.

i think Ogier is better at this game

[jonkka]

We shall see

[stefanvv]

what happened to Mikkelsen?

[Eli]

12.3 seconds heading into the final stage of the day of 59km...we'll see who will be better at the game there.

[makinen_fan]

Seb is not ready to let Latvala win this one as well!! with this pace he will be first by the end of today

[dimviii]

Kubica has lost front right wheel, crew OK

[bluuford]

Unfortunately Robert and Maciek have taken the front-right wheel off their Ford Fiesta RS WRC on SS12. Driver and co-driver both OK

[dimviii]

Seb is not ready to let Latvala win this one as well!! with this pace he will be first by the end of today

if he manages to preserve his tyres yes he can.Also lets see if both they can handle the presssure.

[dimviii]

what happened to Mikkelsen?

Mikkelsen 13:29.0: "We have a broken damper"