Rally Finland 2014

[jonkka]

4 min gap is great!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Gutted for Breen but he has had a good lesson and valuable experience in WRC pace and more Finland roads... :eek:

The PS looks fantastic - good luck JML !

[noel157]

Watching live from TV. They have Juha Kankkunen as their expert guest and it seems that the commentator is not educated enough to know that Juha himself started this stage in 1999 in rally lead and back then it was not power stage but extra TV stage points were available. Anyone else would ask about that day.

English broadcast have Esapekka Lappi as the expert. Could talk a bit louder but ok.

[makinen_fan]

I find the commentary a bit annoying without Julian Porter, at least Lappi adds some good inside

[noel157]

John Desborough talks a bit too much.

[Miika]

Watching live from TV. They have Juha Kankkunen as their expert guest and it seems that the commentator is not educated enough to know that Juha himself started this stage in 1999 in rally lead and back then it was not power stage but extra TV stage points were available. Anyone else would ask about that day.

They talked about the 1999 edition with Juha in the studio segment before the stage.

And holy hell Kubica almost into the scenery.

[miniwintz]

Lappi is the most boring driver I have ever heard

[noel157]

Guess who is going to get a few punctures later in the season..............

[jonkka]

They talked about the 1999 edition with Juha in the studio segment before the stage.

What did Juha say?

I find he contradicted himself when he said that the drivers are really gunning for the extra points. Back in 1999 he didn't even try, saying that rally win was too important to risk. And then it was 10 points for win and 3 extra points for TV stage win, much more in proportion than today.

[dimviii]

ally @Official_iRally · 18 δευτ.
Kubica 3:23.8 despite moment: "Everything under control! I was cleaning the road...I missed the entry and I was on the loose..."

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BuG1bGKCcAAa-jK.png:large

[FUNKYXXXXX]

http://www.stream2watch.me/live-tv/bt-sport-2-live-stream

[Miika]

What did Juha say?

I find he contradicted himself when he said that the drivers are really gunning for the extra points. Back in 1999 he didn't even try, saying that rally win was too important to risk. And then it was 10 points for win and 3 extra points for TV stage win, much more in proportion than today.

Can check afterwards but at least he mentioned the rain that started before the rally leaders got to the stage back then. Also remember reading somewhere that originally he had decided to go for the extra points but the rain changed the plans.

[jonkka]

Yes, it rained that year and is plausible explanation.

[Mirek]

4 min gap is great!

I hope You were sarcastic...

For spectators it's extremely boring.

[wwbroe]

I must say that coverage is not bad at all!

[jonkka]

I hope You were sarcastic...

For spectators it's extremely boring.

I don't care about spectators in this, it's good for me and that's all that counts just now. Sorry.

[dimviii]

Mikkelsen through
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BuG5veFIgAAoZoU.jpg:large

[Andre Oliveira]

Great Meeke :)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Great rally Meeke !

[noel157]

Can breathe now, Meeke finished........:)

[dimviii]

Meeke: "Jari-Matti the epitome of perfection on these roads...until I get there...but I am happy at the moment..."

[dimviii]

Latvala faster 0,2 at 1st split.

[RS]

Lappi is the most boring driver I have ever heard

You're obviously not familiar with Anton Alen. He makes Kimi Raikkonen seem bubbly.

[Andre Oliveira]

Latvala yeah

[dimviii]

Congrats to Latvala,well deserved.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Yesss Jari-Matti !! :D

[T.Maanteiden kuningas]

Latvalaaaaa! Best! Fastest!

[KKS]

Conratz JML! U deserve it!

[dimviii]

130,41 average for Ogier at power stage.

[AndyRAC]

Well done JML..... Great drive, fully deserved...you can see what that means to him.
I suspect Seb will be disappointed, but still has a nice lead in the Championship.

A fantastic 3rd place to Kris, well driven, sensible but fast pace. Well done!!!

[Rally Talent]

Great JML, just great.

[stefanvv]

a bit lost at final corner for PS, but well deserved win for Latvala

[Fast Eddie WRC]

John Desborough talks a bit too much.

A LOT too much !!

He ruins the live stages talking non-stop even over the in-car. Grrr. :(

[makinen_fan]

Really happy for Latvala, great win and nice how he coped being under pressure for a change. Overall it was a nice interesting rally
Also great event by Meeke, really mature drive and good speed

Another disappointment by Hirvonen, maybe this is his last season after all, cant see a reason for him being a team leader
I expected much more from Ostberg and Mikkelsen, well behind in pace

[wwbroe]

Well deserved victory for JML, he was the fastest man around in Finland. Ogier scoring another powerstage win, but was beaten on pure speed this time. Hope we will see some more great battles like this one in near future.

[6789]

Excellent drive by Jari-Matti! Cannot wait until Rally Australia in 5 weeks or so!!

[noel157]

Fantastic event, best of the season so far.

Well done to Latvala (superb effort) and Ogier but especially Meeke, he no doubt could've gone quicker but glad he didn't.

[Rally Talent]

Suninen wins in WRC3! Congratz.

[bassist]

Well done Jari-Matti, very mature performance. But you can never tell when this little French Man is done! Kris, pleased for you mate- you kept your head, and delivered, and you were not far off their pace when you needed to be. I wonder if N.O.T will be giving his congratulations Kris? Hope Craig is ok.

[N.O.T]

Well done Jari-Matti, very mature performance. But you can never tell when this little French Man is done! Kris, pleased for you mate- you kept your head, and delivered, and you were not far off their pace when you needed to be. I wonder if N.O.T will be giving his congratulations Kris? Hope Craig is ok.

For me Kris was the man of the rally apart from the winner of course, if his performances were just like this one through his career he could be in VW now instead of Jari and maybe instead of Ogier (tongue in cheek)... but you know what they say "If ifs and buts were pots and pans..."

He has the speed which is the hardest thing to achieve in rallying what he lacked was consistency and to achieve that you need money...

[bassist]

For me Kris was the man of the rally apart from the winner of course, if his performances were just like this one through his career he could be in VW now instead of Jari and maybe instead of Ogier (tongue in cheek)... but you know what they say "If ifs and buts were pots and pans..."

He has the speed which is the hardest thing to achieve in rallying what he lacked was consistency and to achieve that you need money...

Nice to see these comments N.O.T after your prediction of Kris tipping it! Well said!

[N.O.T]

Nice to see these comments N.O.T after your prediction of Kris tipping it! Well said!

I did not make such a prediction...

[bassist]

And this is the point where we should start worrying for Meeke finishing the rally...

Well if this aint a prediction to fail then I don't know what is!

[N.O.T]

an express of worry is not a prediction...

[AndyRAC]

This weekend has proved there's nothing too much wrong with the WRC - RedBull just need to actually promote the sport. Gimmicks aren't needed, or shoot outs. This event ran from Thursday to Sunday lunchtime - in fact with only 25miles today, they could have finished it yesterday. If they must run in a Sunday, have some proper mileage.

[satnav]

For me Kris was the man of the rally apart from the winner of course, if his performances were just like this one through his career he could be in VW now instead of Jari and maybe instead of Ogier (tongue in cheek)... but you know what they say "If ifs and buts were pots and pans..."

He has the speed which is the hardest thing to achieve in rallying what he lacked was consistency and to achieve that you need money...

Very well said

[N.O.T]

This weekend has proved there's nothing too much wrong with the WRC - RedBull just need to actually promote the sport. Gimmicks aren't needed, or shoot outs. This event ran from Thursday to Sunday lunchtime - in fact with only 25miles today, they could have finished it yesterday. If they must run in a Sunday, have some proper mileage.

So you are expecting from a company that spends millions in F1 to promote a rival sport....

hmmmm....

[dimviii]

found it at a French forum,jonkka is it right?
Latvalas average was 122,1 km/h.
http://www.forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_08_2014/post-3700-0-01616400-1407065850.jpg

[stefanvv]

Damn, Mikkola's achievment from '83 goes to 10th

[dimviii]

Latvala at pwer stage
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BuHPNblCAAA3BJ5.jpg:large

[bassist]

an express of worry is not a prediction...

Your a bloody star N.O.T.

[N.O.T]

Your a bloody star N.O.T.

I know.

[GigiGalliNo1]

This weekend has proved there's nothing too much wrong with the WRC - RedBull just need to actually promote the sport. Gimmicks aren't needed, or shoot outs. This event ran from Thursday to Sunday lunchtime - in fact with only 25miles today, they could have finished it yesterday. If they must run in a Sunday, have some proper mileage.

I noticed Redbull even tweeted about the WRC... a first I think!

[Mirek]

Damn, Mikkola's achievment from '83 goes to 10th

There was the fastest stage ever off all times. I can't imagine how that could have been achieved with some 180+ km/h in average! That's like driving on a motorway.

For every RBR geeks it's 20 km/h higher average speed than world record on Frazier Wells :D

[AndyRAC]

I noticed Redbull even tweeted about the WRC... a first I think!

I've just checked the RedBull Motorsport Twitterfeed; not much WRC mentions; they should be tweeting after every stage. It's a pretty poor show to be honest.

[BDunnell]

Damn, Mikkola's achievment from '83 goes to 10th

But that was a far greater effort than any of the other winning drives in that table. Forget average speeds!

[stefanvv]

But that was a far greater effort than any of the other winning drives in that table. Forget average speeds!

Yeah, I was a little bit ironic of course, it is kind of strange this table achievment from '83 to stands out among others from recent years, there was some celebration video on youtube somewhere for this occasion. He has some really good achievement in Finland as well, without small mistake in '85 and blown engine at Ouninpoja, S1 might be in this table at front.

[MartijnS]

Who are you referring to as making biggest jump after JML & Ogier ? Paddon ?

No, Al-Rajhi.

[MartijnS]

My photos of today: https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.684301584991147.1073741863.102597653161546&type=3&uploaded=14

https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfa1/t1.0-9/p417x417/10574307_684301774991128_2563007054282334329_n.jpg

First short video of Latvala made by Joost: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-przxtgfWY

Full video will follow tonight probably!

[satnav]

Well if this aint a prediction to fail then I don't know what is!

To be fair to N.O.T we were all worried about Kris until the finish if we're truthful , I know I was !!

[mm1]

Very pleased with Meeke's performance, fully agree with N.O.T. Was worried till the end, hope he continues like this.

[jonkka]

found it at a French forum,jonkka is it right?
Latvalas average was 122,1 km/h.
http://www.forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_08_2014/post-3700-0-01616400-1407065850.jpg

Please clarify, what is the question? Whether 2014 Finland will be (or is) fifth fastest rally ever? I haven't calculated winner's average speed yet but if it is 122,1 kph, then answer is yes. Note that site update will be postponed until end of the week due to my summer holiday.

[dimviii]

lol

Tomi Tuominen @T_Tuominen · 4 ώρες
@RallyFinland finito! Tonight #FidelBistro @ BRA Jyväskylä 22:30! Let's Rock, not roll this time!

[dimviii]

Please clarify, what is the question? Whether 2014 Finland will be (or is) fifth fastest rally ever? I haven't calculated winner's average speed yet but if it is 122,1 kph, then answer is yes. Note that site update will be postponed until end of the week due to my summer holiday.

yes according to ewrc.cz,the average was 122,1 km/h

[jonkka]

Yeah, I was a little bit ironic of course, it is kind of strange this table achievment from '83 to stands out among others from recent years, there was some celebration video on youtube somewhere for this occasion. He has some really good achievement in Finland as well, without small mistake in '85 and blown engine at Ouninpoja, S1 might be in this table at front.

You people do realise that while Group B cars had way more power than later cars, the Group B average speeds were exceed surprisingly soon after it was banned. This was because during Group B days teams put all their effort on engine and car handling was average at best. When it became impossible to get performance from the engine, transmission and suspension rose to focus and cars which did not have as much power eventually could get into corners with more speed and out of those corners faster.

This also is the reason why rallies are currently run on so small roads. On bigger roads the average speed would exceed limit set by FIA. Sorry for off-topic.

[makinen_fan]

This also is the reason why rallies are currently run on so small roads. On bigger roads the average speed would exceed limit set by FIA. Sorry for off-topic.

Do they still have the average speed limit? I remember in the past they changed Ouninpoja for this reason but then reintroduced it. Is it 130 Km/h?

[jonkka]

If they must run in a Sunday, have some proper mileage.

Can't, unfortunately. Rules stipulate that rally must end by ... (checking)...

Wow, it seems I would have been right in 2009 but it has been changed after that. So yes, they could have had a proper rallying day today but rules do stipulate that rally must end at Sunday.

[dimviii]

borl
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HA0KTnKg_o

[jonkka]

Do they still have the average speed limit? I remember in the past they changed Ouninpoja for this reason but then reintroduced it. Is it 130 Km/h?

Given that I would have remembered rules incorrectly as proven by my previous post, let me check, a moment please.

Can't find any reference to maximum average speed in the current WRC regulations. It seems that the actual ruling has been removed and instead FIA quietly encourages organizers to keep the average speed at reasonable level without actually setting any definite limits.

[Mirek]

You people do realise that while Group B cars had way more power than later cars, the Group B average speeds were exceed surprisingly soon after it was banned. This was because during Group B days teams put all their effort on engine and car handling was average at best. When it became impossible to get performance from the engine, transmission and suspension rose to focus and cars which did not have as much power eventually could get into corners with more speed and out of those corners faster.

This also is the reason why rallies are currently run on so small roads. On bigger roads the average speed would exceed limit set by FIA. Sorry for off-topic.

The huge average speeds sometimes with gr.B cars had more to do with the choice of stages in those times than with the speed of cars. As You said the cars were crazy fast only on straights.


Do they still have the average speed limit? I remember in the past they changed Ouninpoja for this reason but then reintroduced it. Is it 130 Km/h?

No, there is no limit for average speed in WRC. It's quite meaningless anyway because usually the average speed is put down by placing chicanes or some more T-junctions. Look at Ypres. It's crazy fast event but since there is huge number of square corners the average speeds are nothing special. It's better when some experience people judge the stage and if needed place some chicane on extremely dangerous places (although I can't say I'm fan of chicanes).

Anyway here in CZ we have the limit... and a huge number of chicanes as well... and still a lot of stages is above (our limit is 120 km/h)

[stefanvv]

You people do realise that while Group B cars had way more power than later cars, the Group B average speeds were exceed surprisingly soon after it was banned. This was because during Group B days teams put all their effort on engine and car handling was average at best. When it became impossible to get performance from the engine, transmission and suspension rose to focus and cars which did not have as much power eventually could get into corners with more speed and out of those corners faster.

Yes of course, but I think Finland is one of those in which handling doesn't matter that much as other Rallies.

[NikoP]

http://nikop.kuvat.fi/kuvat/2014/Neste%20Oil%20Rally%20Finland/IMG_3029%20copy.jpg?img=smaller

http://nikop.kuvat.fi/kuvat/2014/Neste%20Oil%20Rally%20Finland/IMG_2871%20copy.jpg?img=smaller

http://nikop.kuvat.fi/kuvat/2014/Neste%20Oil%20Rally%20Finland/IMG_2649%20copy.jpg?img=smaller

Updated gallery: Rally Finland photos (http://nikop.kuvat.fi/kuvat/2014/Neste+Oil+Rally+Finland/)

[andyone]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLLMI6wrYxA

[Jafry]

More photos from Neste Oil Rally Finland HERE: http://www.rally-mania.cz/photogallery.php?id=1287

[bassist]

To be fair to N.O.T we were all worried about Kris until the finish if we're truthful , I know I was !!

I was too satnav, but I didn't try and give him the `kiss of death` on here!

[Subbe]

http://www.mkpictures.com/NORF2014.JPG
PICTURES FROM RALLY FINLAND (http://www.mkpictures.com/2014/NesteOilRallyFinland2014.html)

[Mirek]

Any specific information about the injury of Craig Breen?

[stefanvv]

To be fair to N.O.T we were all worried about Kris until the finish if we're truthful , I know I was !!

On the contrary I think his Rally was calm and no major "moments", of ourse all that could change if he decided to pursuit Ogier, but took wiser approach and did his own Rally.

[KKS]

Song of RaaaaaaaaRATATATA RaaaaaaaRATATATA RaaaaaaaRATATATA from Brynildsen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHOAtbGzMS4

[dimviii]

Any specific information about the injury of Craig Breen?

Scott Martin @scottmartinat · 1 ώρα
@Craig_Breen receiving some essentials for the night. #ladmag Loving the joggers #lol flying home in morning

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BuIZ8L9IcAI_jEL.jpg:large

[Juha_Koo]

Any specific information about the injury of Craig Breen?

Can't say anything specific about the injury, but it was the first jump of Ruuhimäki jump section, modern WRCs need just a small tap of the brake there but Breen basically came flat out over the jump (or was late with the braking) and landed in the bottom of the "dip" (not really a dip, just a long "part" between two jumps) and it bottomed out completely, quite heavy sound of sumpguard hitting the ground. I thought nothing special, because Fiestas have made that sound there previously too, but apparently the impact was very strong this time. Hope everything goes well for Craig!

PS. Modern WRC cars are impressive seen live by a novice, I had my girlfriend for the very first time with me in a rally and she was mindblown about the speed and especially the jumps. "How do they do that?!" was a question I had to answer quite a few times... :D

[Vepe]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLLMI6wrYxA

Yeah! I can be seen on that video. First jump, blue shirt, blonde hair.

Overall the rally was good and I'm really happy that J-M won. I left Ruuhimäki PS with a smile on my face (and a huge blister on my foot).

And I think I met Tommeke_B at Surkee, not sure, forgot to ask. So, were you at Surkee, were there 5 people with you, did you eat eggs there, did you speak french?

[Mirek]

Can't say anything specific about the injury, but it was the first jump of Ruuhimäki jump section, modern WRCs need just a small tap of the brake there but Breen basically came flat out over the jump (or was late with the braking) and landed in the bottom of the "dip" (not really a dip, just a long "part" between two jumps) and it bottomed out completely, quite heavy sound of sumpguard hitting the ground. I thought nothing special, because Fiestas have made that sound there previously too, but apparently the impact was very strong this time. Hope everything goes well for Craig!

PS. Modern WRC cars are impressive seen live by a novice, I had my girlfriend for the very first time with me in a rally and she was mindblown about the speed and especially the jumps. "How do they do that?!" was a question I had to answer quite a few times... :D

Thanks. I was there so I know the place ;) The most impressive for me was to stand exactly at the "ramp" of the first jump ;)

[stefanvv]

lol

Tomi Tuominen @T_Tuominen · 4 ώρες
@RallyFinland finito! Tonight #FidelBistro @ BRA Jyväskylä 22:30! Let's Rock, not roll this time!
Beware, the cage is still in danger

[Nornbugger]

On the contrary I think his Rally was calm and no major "moments", of ourse all that could change if he decided to pursuit Ogier, but took wiser approach and did his own Rally.

Meeke had at least 1 proper moment this weekend, thankfully luck was kind to him.

Great rally, great to see Latvala keep it all together when he had problems, and great to see Meekes pace, he is getting closer. I think of all the top drivers Mikko is the only one who really disappointed me this weekend

[stefanvv]

Meeke had at least 1 proper moment this weekend, thankfully luck was kind to him.

I know it. It can happen to anyone even Ogier. What I meant was his driving was much less error prone to Finland last year and still he had the pace to almost match VW drivers, which is great imho.

[Ide]

Pictures about rally Finland 2014.
(http://www.ilkansivu.net/NORF14/index.html)

[dimviii]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ng53zzKTIFk

[dimviii]

http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2014/photos/neste_oil_rally_finland_2014/tw_untitled-0734.jpg
http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2014/photos/neste_oil_rally_finland_2014/tw_untitled-0373.jpg
http://www.ewrc.cz/ewrc/fotogalery.php?events=13898&fotograf=37

[SPKen]

Ruuhimäki https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0mBjGM7fXA

[makinen_fan]

Some interesting photos here:
http://jree.ee/gallery/wrc-rally-finland/

[KKSF]

Jumps and turns, and jumps in turns. :)
KKSF HD video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjQ9EBEMUXE

[gianni123]

Video online

WRC Neste Oil Rally Finland - 2014 (HD)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRSO4PJ2qVI

[Rallyper]

Meeke had at least 1 proper moment this weekend, thankfully luck was kind to him.

Great rally, great to see Latvala keep it all together when he had problems, and great to see Meekes pace, he is getting closer. I think of all the top drivers Mikko is the only one who really disappointed me this weekend

It,s not only Mikko for sure. You have to take in mind Fiestas seems not to be as powerful as needed. MW has to invest some of the R5-money on developi,ng Fiesta engine.

[dimviii]

https://scontent-a-fra.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/t1.0-9/16682_10203718686394934_6839052448561187968_n.jpg
https://scontent-b-fra.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/t1.0-9/10411057_10203718692275081_5610283440171896419_n.j pg

[makinen_fan]

Really great set of photos by Nikos Katikis (i think you can view it without fb account)
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.831341936890586.1073741854.186094618081991&type=1

https://scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/p480x480/10526001_832497200108393_7184087266247622376_n.jpg ?oh=bdacaabbad521dffc6f302e1d8c8d845&oe=54536150

https://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/t1.0-9/10536913_832890453402401_8176133412918686533_n.jpg

[JoostSchouten]

We had a great weekend in Finland, what a stages! :D It is truly amazing to see how fast the drivers are going, even with the best video you can not imagine it.
This was our second time, but a lot of WRC Finlands will follow I guess. ;)

My video with all the highlights is online.
Click here to watch it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMhmEXAzK3k
http://i62.tinypic.com/j8zjlv.jpg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMhmEXAzK3k)

[KKS]

Plenty of good vid's but no one shooted a proper rally car (n4) why?

[Nornbugger]

It,s not only Mikko for sure. You have to take in mind Fiestas seems not to be as powerful as needed. MW has to invest some of the R5-money on developi,ng Fiesta engine.



If Mikkos is driving well or even close to it young Evans's result deserves credit, 2 years ago he did Finland in a R2 Fiesta, this year he was less than 3 minutes behind a guy who won the event a couple of years ago, thats fair doing, he wasnt that much further behind Mikko than Mikkelsen was behind Latvala.
Evans doesnt get much mention here(or elsewhere) but I like how he has handled himself this year to date.

[uranium]

Plenty of good vid's but no one shooted a proper rally car (n4) why?

Agree. It's pity. Nobody wants to show something different from wrc class. I saw by my eyes, how right after last wrc car has passed and maybe 3 or 4 wrc2, official operator switched off the camera and started to eat his lunch.

Money rules...

[N.O.T]

Plenty of good vid's but no one shooted a proper rally car (n4) why?

Why bother with tourists anyway ?

[Rallyper]

If Mikkos is driving well or even close to it young Evans's result deserves credit, 2 years ago he did Finland in a R2 Fiesta, this year he was less than 3 minutes behind a guy who won the event a couple of years ago, thats fair doing, he wasnt that much further behind Mikko than Mikkelsen was behind Latvala.
Evans doesnt get much mention here(or elsewhere) but I like how he has handled himself this year to date.
Yeah, I didnt compair Mikkos achievment to Evans. Just Said he doesnt have engine enough.

[N.O.T]

Evans is in his first year and he is young so the year we can start making conclusions starts in 2015... doesn't look that promising though so far.

[dimviii]

Kubica close call,and nice save.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=9YJcnxhhx2A


Neuville long sideways
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=YU6_xjrCmN0



at 1,20 Hanninen roll
http://www.dandrifosseherveproduction.be/index.php?p=2&d=1&md=13&lg=fr&s=84

[stefanvv]

Evans is just learning the Rallies in WRC I think, just like Mikkelsen did last year. So he shouldn't be impressive at speed.

[KKS]

Why bother with tourists anyway ?
cuz they looks great! Always fun to watch N4 car on stage whatever time he set

[stefanvv]

Why bother with tourists anyway ?

That's too general, I wouldn't count Lukyanuk and Salo for example as tourists (not for this event anyway)

[dimviii]

imho best photo from Finland,at least till now.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BuMa5LqIIAEGLVZ.jpg:large

[Nikey]

cuz they looks great! Always fun to watch N4 car on stage whatever time he set

Can't say I agree with that...nowadays group N cars don't really seem like rally cars to me, especially with the drivers we had this year. FWD Fords and Citroens on the other hand...damn those guys seemed insane. You lose so much by moving your foot from gas pedal most of them seemed to go flat out to end. I even had to go remove parts of one cars front bumper from Ruuhimäki 2's "big jump" as a result of that (marshals didn't seem to care before I went there). I wonder if anyone got that on tape...

[dimviii]

Latvalas roof after finish
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BuIAvZ8IEAA1jXJ.jpg:large

[Mirek]

cuz they looks great! Always fun to watch N4 car on stage whatever time he set

Hmm... I find most of gr.N cars (drivers) incredibly boring but that's probably because I see them mainly on asphalt where they are incredibly boring (of course the best drivers are spectacular with whatever they drive).

[uranium]

If they boring, why not to BanThemAll? Choose only several (don't forget to ask big expert N.O.T. who exactly), leave 5 (or less? other are lady cups guys) and it would be cool. And it will be damn fast. It can be done even in one day, max two...

[N.O.T]

No car is boring in the proper hands the thing is that most Group N cars nowadays are driven by tourists... no need to advertise the pinnacle of the sport through them. There are many village events you can find pictures of Group N cars.

[KKS]

2N.O.T. We have Rally Finland and we had here few gr.N cars. They draw same roads as WRC boys, and through same media people as all others, so why we see all WRC,S2000, R5,R2 cars but no a single gr.N

For me it's always spectacular to watch this heavy cars with low sound

[N.O.T]

The WRC rounds should be about the best drivers and cars (mostly drivers) especially during this time where most talent is on WRC and WRC2 and is scarce... The tourists can use their yes men sheep to capture footage of them.

[makinen_fan]

Chardonette hitting a rock on the line:
http://youtu.be/R-Eu6Yjlvkg?t=3m58s

[GigiGalliNo1]

Just to add.

Colin McMaster one of the Klein photographers - tweeted that if Capito's shoot out game was in force during Rally Finland, Ogier would have won the rally!!

[jliivak]

Some good pictures taken by my friend Argo:

http://argo.planet.ee/Neste-Oil-Rally-Finland-2014/

[Mirek]

If they boring, why not to BanThemAll? Choose only several (don't forget to ask big expert N.O.T. who exactly), leave 5 (or less? other are lady cups guys) and it would be cool. And it will be damn fast. It can be done even in one day, max two...

Spare me that please. I have never said what You imply...

[Rallyper]

Just to add.

Colin McMaster one of the Klein photographers - tweeted that if Capito's shoot out game was in force during Rally Finland, Ogier would have won the rally!!
That's why some of us still wore that t-shirt last day of the rally...

[Franky]

2N.O.T. We have Rally Finland and we had here few gr.N cars. They draw same roads as WRC boys, and through same media people as all others, so why we see all WRC,S2000, R5,R2 cars but no a single gr.N

For me it's always spectacular to watch this heavy cars with low sound

I have to agree with others on this one. Watched a few stages until the end and the gr. N cars were just plain boring. But the Vetomies 4WD guys are totally different story.

[MartijnS]

Only saw 1 good pass of a Gr. N car, some Finnish guy with a Subaru in the rain. Otherwise, they just pass. Not much to see there. We saw the Vetomies once for about 15 cars and than almost ran of the stage, maybe it was the spot we watched them, but it was really boring.

[SubaruNorway]

Back home from Finland and i think i've managed to get some decent footage, plenty of jumps in here at least! ;)
I got Sébastien Chardonnet's close call in Lankamaa and Craig Breen's back crunching jump in Ruuhimäki also.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-bm0Wo__MA

http://www.raceinfo.no/temp/tn_Skjermbilde%202014-08-04%20kl.%2012.38.11.jpg

[Hartusvuori]

Only saw 1 good pass of a Gr. N car, some Finnish guy with a Subaru in the rain.

Teemu Asunmaa, I assume.

[peg306]

Fantastic week in Finland! Some of the spots we visited
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynDL2ShFF5o&list=UUYry0UyFlYk2pgWxqo1oGIw

[MartijnS]

Teemu Asunmaa, I assume.

Yes! :) He went really fast in the rain on Thursday. And offcourse Kees Burger from NL went like crazy! ;)

[Mirek]

http://www.autosport.cz/img/fotografie/9948a20e4309e1b17a19f249a14b522c.jpg

[mArtini racing]

I want to share here my footage too and also I want to thank the other mates that are sharing their videos/photos

We started the rally at Lankamaa where Chardonnet and Ogier almost crash, but both were enough lucky for continuing the rally...

http://i62.tinypic.com/4kwdps.png
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6UTsZB6Xhw

And finally we ended our adventure at the famous Ruuhimaki Jumps, where Ogier and Latvala had a great final battle by tens of second...

http://i61.tinypic.com/2564aco.png
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsProZl8tN4

[Hartusvuori]

Yes! :) He went really fast in the rain on Thursday. And offcourse Kees Burger from NL went like crazy! ;)

His newsletter quotes that in Lankamaa 2 he broke a rim, bent suspension arms, damaged steering and lost power from dampers. Friday went well for him, but on Saturday morning Subaru's engine gave up.

[Hartusvuori]

My friend's pictures from Rally Finland 2014:
http://rallirinki.kuvat.fi/kuvat/Neste+Oil+Rally+Finland+2014/

[Doon]

Had a great Rally Finland. First time in 10 years!! Was pretty shocked by some of the fans, it seems most of the people were there to get completely wasted rather than watch rallying. Don't get me wrong, I like a few beers and a party, but there were just loads of kn*bs at many stages not even watching the rally but concentrating on making their sound system in their motorhomes louder than the bloke next door. This was mostly at Kakaristo junction. At another stage we saw a guy who was terminated, crawl on his hands and knees up to a mother and child on their picnic blanket, he then p*ssed himself, and when the first car came he ploughed through a fence and squashed a woman in the process. It was appalling. Not everyone was that drunk, but there were plenty of complete d*ckheads about on every popular point on a stage.

[N.O.T]

Had a great Rally Finland. First time in 10 years!! Was pretty shocked by some of the fans, it seems most of the people were there to get completely wasted rather than watch rallying. Don't get me wrong, I like a few beers and a party, but there were just loads of kn*bs at many stages not even watching the rally but concentrating on making their sound system in their motorhomes louder than the bloke next door. This was mostly at Kakaristo junction. At another stage we saw a guy who was terminated, crawl on his hands and knees up to a mother and child on their picnic blanket, he then p*ssed himself, and when the first car came he ploughed through a fence and squashed a woman in the process. It was appalling. Not everyone was that drunk, but there were plenty of complete d*ckheads about on every popular point on a stage.

Well seems that Loebs dominance on Finish dogs all these years got into the fans as well... especially now that he is gone and another frenchman took his place, i think 10 years of humiliation is too much for anyone, but that is what happens when you filter drivers though managers and not through talent.

[Doon]

Well seems that Loebs dominance on Finish dogs all these years got into the fans as well... especially now that he is gone and another frenchman took his place, i think 10 years of humiliation is too much for anyone, but that is what happens when you filter drivers though managers and not through talent.

I have a feeling Rally Finland attracts this type of person, no matter who is winning. It's really a human issue, if there are loads of people there will always be a few idiots about.

[Rallyper]

I have a feeling Rally Finland attracts this type of person, no matter who is winning. It's really a human issue, if there are loads of people there will always be a few idiots about.

Don't agree. Sure there are loades of drunk guys, but this year I must day it was less. And nothing I say nothing, has to to do with any SEB at all. @ NOT if you'd been there you'd understand. Else there's nothing you can say.

[driveace]

Some ,not all Finnish rally fans do have a drink problem!Drinking used to be all underground in Alco,s ,bars where you went down steps as they were under buildings ,or in Hotels .
Now it's 20 years since I was watching the 1000 lakes and things could be better or worse ,I just don't know

[makinen_fan]

Andreas almost hitting the post

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3841/14650962447_332e855909_c.jpg

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3844/14857200463_f7620bd65a_c.jpg

more here in the album:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/keeperineri/sets/72157645792551759/

[dimviii]

http://www.forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_08_2014/post-1592-0-26482700-1407228144.jpg
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[Mintexmemory]

Just watched the ITV4 highlights - actually a very good presentation. Only one thing to say - Who want's to go next year with me?

[dimviii]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnyYpQivl2A

[makinen_fan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnyYpQivl2A

at 1:10, is it the landing that injured Breen? seems a bit rough but not excessively

[dimviii]

http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2014/photos/neste_oil_rally_finland_2014/mn_012.jpg
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http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2014/photos/neste_oil_rally_finland_2014/mn_043.jpg

http://www.ewrc.cz/ewrc/fotogalery.php?events=13898&fotograf=119

[dimviii]

http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2014/photos/neste_oil_rally_finland_2014/mes_finland_42.jpg
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http://www.ewrc.cz/ewrc/fotogalery.php?events=13898&fotograf=188

[chosse_1]

Hi! This is our video of the rally!

I hope you like it! Share!!

WRC Rally Finland Jumps, drifts&Close calls

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=engCrtMd72w

[SubaruNorway]

at 1:10, is it the landing that injured Breen? seems a bit rough but not excessively

The bang was louder than what it sounds like, i guess they drop 4-5m to flat so it's a tough one!
Same jump in mine at 1:15

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-bm0Wo__MA

[DonJippo]

Had a great Rally Finland. First time in 10 years!! Was pretty shocked by some of the fans, it seems most of the people were there to get completely wasted rather than watch rallying. Don't get me wrong, I like a few beers and a party, but there were just loads of kn*bs at many stages not even watching the rally but concentrating on making their sound system in their motorhomes louder than the bloke next door. This was mostly at Kakaristo junction. At another stage we saw a guy who was terminated, crawl on his hands and knees up to a mother and child on their picnic blanket, he then p*ssed himself, and when the first car came he ploughed through a fence and squashed a woman in the process. It was appalling. Not everyone was that drunk, but there were plenty of complete d*ckheads about on every popular point on a stage.

You see what you want to see, for sure most of the people were not wasted.

[andyone]

i wonder sometime Some good Talents get lost. Jarkko Nikara, Esapeka Lappi, this are some really good finish drivers but. i don thear them. Finland should do somthing. and bring that finish name up. otherwise its going to France now.

[rallyfiend]

i wonder sometime Some good Talents get lost. Jarkko Nikara, Esapeka Lappi, this are some really good finish drivers but. i don thear them. Finland should do somthing. and bring that finish name up. otherwise its going to France now.

That's because they crash out on the second stage....

[Evian]

Your pictures from the rally:
Thursday - https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.620377858059391.1073741848.498772900219888&type=1&l=5d32af4baa
Friday - https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.620380724725771.1073741849.498772900219888&type=1&l=36e336986a
Saturday - https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.620584768038700.1073741850.498772900219888&type=1&l=c5f6e681af
Sunday - https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.620586701371840.1073741851.498772900219888&type=1&l=7c055cd1d6

Apparently we were in the same corner as Hartusvuori & co on Lankamaa 1. :)
We saw someone with "Rally Rinki"-tshirt so we suspected that, but we weren't sure!

[Hartusvuori]

Apparently we were in the same corner as Hartusvuori & co on Lankamaa 1. :)
We saw someone with "Rally Rinki"-tshirt so we suspected that, but we weren't sure!

Half of my group stayed at that corner in Lankamaa, but I was some 1,0 km earlier in the stage. Well-spotted, though :-)

[dimviii]

http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2014/photos/neste_oil_rally_finland_2014/hoi_img_9089.jpg
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http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2014/photos/neste_oil_rally_finland_2014/hoi_img_9304.jpg

http://www.ewrc.cz/ewrc/fotogalery.php?events=13898&fotograf=183

[dimviii]

http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2014/photos/neste_oil_rally_finland_2014/dwi_14-08fin_hirvonen0007.jpg
http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2014/photos/neste_oil_rally_finland_2014/dwi_14-08fin_latvala0031.jpg
http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2014/photos/neste_oil_rally_finland_2014/dwi_14-08fin_latvala0028.jpg

http://www.ewrc.cz/ewrc/fotogalery.php?events=13898&fotograf=335

[MartijnS]

My photos were already online at our Facebook Page, but now also at our website.

Great rally! We did 14 stages and the shakedown, could have been a few extra, but we were happy with this number.
Didn't like the shakedown at all, we were at the last part of the stage and without tabard almost impossible to make some decent photos. But we already drove the stage day before, so knew that it would be tough.
First tarmac part sucked also, so was probably one of the worst shakedowns we ever visited, but anyway not an issue as we knew a lot of stages were waiting for us!

Thursday afternoon we did 2x Lankamaa, amazing part of the stage. Fast and twisty downhill part in the rain and a fast right hander second time trough. Both spots were so good, best way to start the rally!

Friday we started at the first stage, Pihlajakoski. Last part of the stage, just before the FF. For me one of the least interesting spots of the rally, really fast righthander over a top and than straight to the finish. Not much going on there.

After that quickly to Kakaristo, few km's into the stage. Nice fast spot over a small crest, at which they lifted the right wheels if they cut. Some nice passes there and a lot of time so we saw every car there, including some Vetomies a bit back to the start. Also nice to see Makinen there with the GT86.

Than back to Pihlajakoski, nice sideways jump, not a real ramp, but they jumped more due to the big drop after the jump. Good one!
Back to Kakaristo, we planned to go a fast part, but there was a tractor blocking the small acces road we wanted to use, so we had to go to a spectator area. Not much going on there, Almost 90 degrees left, decent speed though. Spot where Ptaszek rolled his Fiesta in the first run.
So we decided to leave early and went to Jyvaskala for the Harju SS. Gravel WRC's on tarmac looks cool.
So excellent day!

Saturday we started at Mökkiperä at a spot we noted after recce, fast left over top, not much going on untill the Polo's got there. So much faster and more sideways in the air than the other's, amazing! About 1 km before the straight with 4 jumps.

Than to Surkee, good spot few km before the finish. Fast part in a forest, than out of the forest followed by a jump. Nice light between the trees. Good spot again!

Leustu after that, quick and tight downhill section trough the trees. Nothing special there. Not bad either.
Back to Mökkiperä , nice jump with a big ditch before the real jump in which they jumped already so double jump basically. I was unable to make some decent photos there, too much spectators in front of me haha.

After that to Surkee again, really fast left down over a top. Amazing the speed the top guys throw their car down.
We could have gone to Leustu again, but we were hungry and had enough for the day (gayyyyy)

Sunday 2 times Ruuhimäki, first run at the first of the last jumps where Breen got his hit. Some very big jumps there..see Ogier below! Powerstage at an almost flat righthander a few km before the jumps was a great last stage of the most epic rally there is!

Finished the rally at the podium, great to see Latvala so happy.
Definitely back next year!!
We had a much better rally than our first visit last year, mainly due to the onboards of the stages on Youtube. Few hours of preparation with those and Google Maps, thanks planetemarcus, made a big difference.


http://www.rallymedia.nl/images/2014/rallyfinland/67330918.jpg

http://www.rallymedia.nl/images/2014/rallyfinland/87649584.jpg

http://www.rallymedia.nl/images/2014/rallyfinland/81619180.jpg

http://www.rallymedia.nl/images/2014/rallyfinland/31245363.jpg

More at our Website (http://www.rallymedia.nl/images/2014/rallyfinland/rallyfinland.html) or in an album per day at our Facebook Page (http://facebook.com/rallymedia) !

[dimviii]

Bertelli crash
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ILhZDPwmCQ&list=PLVyRAt2cxbxs8Eu8jzj_T_E5SSW1zrnSz

[COD]

All media, including wrc.com are praising Suninen. Nothing wrong with that, he did a good job with limited experience.

But for me the young star must be Haapamäki. 15th O/A in C2 R2, comfortably ahead of any other R2 cars and ahead of many more powerful cars...

[amilk]

So my first NORF wasd done finally after many years.
It was with a familiy so not the usual hardcore way to see the rally but still we managed to see several nice places.
Like written above the shakedown was disaster the view was so much limited.
The hihghest point was Ruuhimaki big jump.
Yes this are one of the best stages in the world and realy impressive to see the cars but on other side "I was suffering" with so much unnecessary limitations by marshals. It's also an expensive one, I have the ticket and still for each parking 5 Eur daily 4x. Ok not a major cost element compare to flight ticket rent a car etc but still...

[Franky]

It's also an expensive one, I have the ticket and still for each parking 5 Eur daily 4x. Ok not a major cost element compare to flight ticket rent a car etc but still...

I fear that in the future the cost of parking will become a problem. While driving back home after the rally we started to count how much we spent on parking and we got like 70 or 80 Euros. Also that's one reason why we took it easier at one point to keep the costs under control. I think they need to start offering a parking pass (covering only stage parking, no city/service parking) as well which should not cost more than 50 Euros, preferably less.

About the drunks. My previous Rally Finland visits were in 2007 and 2009 and I also have say that there were less completely drunk people than before. Tho I also noticed that there seemed to be less foreign rally fans, at least they were as noticeable as the Solberg fans during the Subaru days e.g.

[MartijnS]

I get that they want a parking fee if you have to park on some big field from a farmer for example, but having to pay to park on a small road in the middle of a forest makes no sense. But they make a lot of money with it.
Marshalls were strict at the spectator areas, but once you get away from those, we had a lot of freedom to do what we wanted :)

[Rallyper]

I fear that in the future the cost of parking will become a problem. While driving back home after the rally we started to count how much we spent on parking and we got like 70 or 80 Euros. Also that's one reason why we took it easier at one point to keep the costs under control. I think they need to start offering a parking pass (covering only stage parking, no city/service parking) as well which should not cost more than 50 Euros, preferably less.

About the drunks. My previous Rally Finland visits were in 2007 and 2009 and I also have say that there were less completely drunk people than before. Tho I also noticed that there seemed to be less foreign rally fans, at least they were as noticeable as the Solberg fans during the Subaru days e.g.

I think a parking pass would be a good thing and I've also been thinking of a Supreme Guest Pass especially available for us professional fans visiting Wrc rallies, making us free to walk on stages until lets say 10 min before first car without being chased by marshalls.

[sindroms]

I think a parking pass would be a good thing and I've also been thinking of a Supreme Guest Pass especially available for us professional fans visiting Wrc rallies, making us free to walk on stages until lets say 10 min before first car without being chased by marshalls.

Don't forget there are two kinds of parking at least. First one - "official", showed in rally magazine and a second one - private parking places. I payed 5 euros in Lankamaa for "official" parking and 20 euros in Surkee for parking which was not showed in Tuulilasi magazine. When I drove through Päijälä saw parking offers for 30 euros...

[Hartusvuori]

20€ or 30€ parkings are for overnight camping.

Normally it's 3 euros for roadside parking and 5 euros for field. We did shakedown + 10 stages and paid 19 euros altogether for parking (5+5+3+3+3, in six occasion we were not asked), so it depends where you go.

Considering paying for parking roadside on a small gravel road. Please understand that most often those roads are private and they are maintained by - say - 3-5 owners. Normally the usage of those roads is like 0-5 cars per day during summer, very small. So, if suddenly dozens or even hundreds of cars come through, turn the car over somewhere and then park the car on the possibly soft edge, it leave a heavy wear on the road it must be maintained. Isn't it logical that it's the rally spectator who pays it? Think of it as road toll rather than parking fee.

The suggested parking pass might work some way with official parking areas, but there will always be more unofficial parking areas and entrance roads and then it's up to road owner to decide whether they want to block the road or do they collect some money.

[Rallyper]

@hartusvuori What about Supreme Guest Pass as I mentioned above?

[MartijnS]

Don't think that's gonna work, although I like the idea :) When other spectators without such a pass see people walk on the stage they want to do that too and are going to, difficult for the marshalls than to control it.

[Hartusvuori]

I don't think such Supreme Guest Pass would work. Not allowed to walk on stages is a safety measure and spectators can't be divided in different categories. Would professional spectators get their own private slots in the forests as well or would they walk the stage last minute and then park - where? You would make a lot of friends... Professional spectator can solve this problem in different ways. One way is connected to setting the alarm clock :-)

[sindroms]

Considering paying for parking roadside on a small gravel road. Please understand that most often those roads are private and they are maintained by - say - 3-5 owners. Normally the usage of those roads is like 0-5 cars per day during summer, very small. So, if suddenly dozens or even hundreds of cars come through, turn the car over somewhere and then park the car on the possibly soft edge, it leave a heavy wear on the road it must be maintained. Isn't it logical that it's the rally spectator who pays it? Think of it as road toll rather than parking fee.

Thanks for explanation. As for me I would prefer to pay parking fee rather than to save some euros and to be afraid that landlord will throw me out.

[Rallyper]

I don't think such Supreme Guest Pass would work. Not allowed to walk on stages is a safety measure and spectators can't be divided in different categories. Would professional spectators get their own private slots in the forests as well or would they walk the stage last minute and then park - where? You would make a lot of friends... Professional spectator can solve this problem in different ways. One way is connected to setting the alarm clock :-)

Today there's already differenced categories of spectators with passes provided by organizer. And they are given out without any questioning of the passholders experience. Such passes are not making average Joe yellous. But those passes been available more generous could be a solution as well.

[MartijnS]

Yes, but with the passes (media, guest) etc you're not supposed to have extra rights above the other spectators on the stages :)

[Hartusvuori]

Today there's already differenced categories of spectators with passes provided by organizer. And they are given out without any questioning of the passholders experience. Such passes are not making average Joe yellous. But those passes been available more generous could be a solution as well.

In Rally Finland's example, I know only about one kind of rally pass. Guest passes provide free entrance, same as normal media pass. They could provide some kind of extra parking too. Tabard photographers must not me compared to spectators, they are men and women at work. Tabard photographers can stay in different places than spectators, usually with better view and also view higher risks. With normal Joes organisers can't take any risks and there can't be categarization on safety measures.

[Franky]

Normally it's 3 euros for roadside parking and 5 euros for field. We did shakedown + 10 stages and paid 19 euros altogether for parking (5+5+3+3+3, in six occasion we were not asked), so it depends where you go.

We only parked once at the road side and think that even then the fee was 5 Euros. 10 was for overnight.

[Rallyper]

I Don't say Guest Super pass should get access to better places just not be chased by unexperienced marshalls two hours before first car

[Vepe]

Theoretically you don't have to pay anything for road side parking... if you park on a section of a road that hasn't been closed and there's no signpost that says there's a parking fee (usually these signpost are in cities, not on the countryside).

For example, at Surkee Stage you could park your car anywhere on the road before the intersection where they sold tickets to P5 and there would be no need to buy a parking ticket.

[Hartusvuori]

Theoretically you don't have to pay anything for road side parking... if you park on a section of a road that hasn't been closed and there's no signpost that says there's a parking fee (usually these signpost are in cities, not on the countryside).

For example, at Surkee Stage you could park your car anywhere on the road before the intersection where they sold tickets to P5 and there would be no need to buy a parking ticket.

For bigger gravel roads, ones owned and maintained by goverment, I don't (want to) pay for parking either. Private roads are a different matter.

Per, there cannot be two caterories in the level of safety. With marshalls you either have some luck or you don't. It changes from corner to corner.

[Rallyper]

It's the changes in treatment that is disturbing. Just thinking of sollutions for that.
Nothing is impossible, its just thinking outside the box. Why cant it be different groups of spectators? Its only a matter of authorisation.

[Franky]

It's the changes in treatment that is disturbing. Just thinking of sollutions for that.
Nothing is impossible, its just thinking outside the box. Why cant it be different groups of spectators? Its only a matter of authorisation.

But the non-rally fan who is spectating has to understand why he/she can't do it. That's where the problem starts.

[Rallyper]

But the non-rally fan who is spectating has to understand why he/she can't do it. That's where the problem starts.

Not everyone is real rallyfan - just spectator in one event a year.

[mArtini racing]

Now this is a comparison betweeb LATVALA and OGIER performances, along the 14 Stages + shakedown we saw... cronologically ordered! It was definitively a great Rally Finland for us this year!

http://i61.tinypic.com/33l0yzo.png
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZyuJfSNZhU

[SubaruNorway]

Could someone help with the link to a video of Hänninen having a close call on the 2nd run of Painaa?

I was luckily at that jump the first time, or else i would have had a hearth attack!
I had two massive rocks and a tree beside me though :)

[Hartusvuori]

Could someone help with the link to a video of Hänninen having a close call on the 2nd run of Painaa?

I was luckily at that jump the first time, or else i would have had a hearth attack!
I had two massive rocks and a tree beside me though :)

http://instagram.com/p/rKgXMDiLzC/

It was only inches away. Speeds at that place are very high.

Now it's my turn: Does anyone have a link to Hänninen's close call on Päijälä 1 (not the crash)?

[SubaruNorway]

Thanks Hartusvuori!

Just been playing around with some footage trying to make some slow motion, it's just 24 fps so nothing too amazing :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukiuerhh2nY

[Nikey]

My very late take on NORF 2014: http://youtu.be/EAsgLfWOwjk

My job is really making it hard to find time for these things...

[raikkonen]

It was fine in Finland and also the Rally....here are my pictures en little movies of the Neste Oil Rally 2014

https://picasaweb.google.com/101612149988124507974/RallyVanFinland?authuser=0&feat=directlink

[makinen_fan]

Latvala in last stage onboard in now on youtube, really nice
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCkPk99fgig&list=PLVyRAt2cxbxvXAuXpX9gNF0s5y938Ji4O

[tommeke_B]

Finally found some time to write something on the forum. :) NORF 2014 was probably the best rally I've ever seen. Great stages, great entry list (considering the shape of the current WRC) and the itinerary this year was the best in ages. Seen 13 stages without a hurry. The action on thursday's Lankamaa was insane! Heavy rainfall started just before the first stage, and we weren't really prepared for it... The commitment of the drivers in a series of extremely fast (almost flatout) corners was amazing. On friday we did 4 stages, both Pihlajakoski and Kakaristo twice. On Kakaristo, towards the end of the 2nd loop (for the DS3's and Fiesta R2's) some massive holes appeared in the road, which led to some big moments for them. On saturday the itinerary allowed us to see 6 stages (2x Mokkipera, Surkee and Leustu). One place which we did before (see photo), all other places were new for us, but very nice! On sunday we ended on Ruuhimaki, only the first run, so we could catch our flight without any stress and hurrying. I was behind the jumps, on this long left corner over a crest (small jump), the end of the corner is already in the braking for a junction right. Very nice to see, and something different than the jumps. Big thumbs up for Latvala and Ogier, it was great and perhaps a bit unusual to see both of them pushing until the end of the rally. Also Meeke's performance was very remarkable and (for once) flawless, very clean and tidy, which reminded me of seeing Loeb in Finland a few years ago. Very impressive to see were Hänninen and Paddon, very spectacular (perhaps a bit too sideways to be efficient). Let's hope Paddon gets some future in WRC, he has real potential. Something that can't be said about Elfyn Evans, he was "quick out of the box", but there's no progression at all, feels a bit like a second "Matthew Wilson" to me... Disappointments of the event were Neuville and Hirvonen. Neuville didn't seem confident at all, his lines were never really "on it" before he retired. Hirvonen on the other hand looks like he's almost retiring from WRC... From "trophies" the Fiesta R2's were really nice to see, very agressive style from some drivers, while the competition level in the DS3 Trophy wasn't what I expected from it. Plenty of talkings about the GT3, but it's clear that a Porsche GT3 isn't a real rallycar (proven in Monte and in Finland now), at least in the specifications it has to drive in FIA-championships...

http://rally-image.be/jmlatvala.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRSO4PJ2qVI - video of a friend. My photos will be online later.

[wrc45]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1eO2K8oQ3o
Amazing video from Finland. Really Nice!

[nafpaktos]

tommeke_b
Nice report.small and comprehensive!

Edit
Some words about wrc2 drivers-cars please (and especially for kruuda).

[tommeke_B]

About WRC2, no surprises in this championship that has too many events with too little number of competitors. To make the championship somewhat interesting to follow we need a comeback of the old "rules" where there are 6-7 events and not all to choose half of them from (and possibly avoid competition)... Kruuda was driving well indeed, quite clean (more clean than I'm used to see from him), he made some progress. In a way it's normal if you look at the chances he's been getting... Anyway Tanak was clearly the better driver, followed by Ketomaa. Also I'm not really sure if the S2000 is really slower than the R5 on gravel. The R5 was hardly impressive and I think Finland (together with Sweden/Norway) is the best rally for S2000 cars. Full of fast corners where you can keep the revs up. :) A bit disappointing for me was Chardonnet, it looked like he was never 100% confident with the car, often had some strange lines as well... Brynildsen wasn't bad but not great either, I don't know how much he drove before this year but I can imagine he wasn't really having any rhythm like a driver who's doing many events. What was a surprise for me personally is how clean he was driving. I remember him (from let's say 3-4 years ago) as being the driver who was all over the place...

[amilk]

A little bit late but it's what I saw with a camera

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEd42Q8wdMM

[tommeke_B]

My photos from Neste Oil Rally Finland are (finally) online. If anyone still cares to watch them, I hope you like them! :)

http://rally-image.be/foto/0430/index.php

[gorganl2000]

My photos from Neste Oil Rally Finland are (finally) online. If anyone still cares to watch them, I hope you like them! :)

http://rally-image.be/foto/0430/index.php

some very good pics there and a wide variety.... no.49, 61, 65,73, 76, 84, 89 the one with the VW full air bourne really got my attention
thanks for posting

[dimviii]

excellent photos Tom,as always!

[EstWRC]

Hey Guys! im planning to go to Rally Finland 2015 this year. It will be my first WRC rally. The question i have is that im looking for a accomodation at the moment but a lot of the cheaper places have been already booked. Can some finnish or some other members who have been to this rally recommend some accomodation places? I read the beginning of this topic but couldn't get clear answer, some of you were recommending some student camping places and so on but where can i find this places on the net?
At the moment i have been looking places through booking.com and airbnb.com and the cheapest i found was at this site http://www.camping-ruuhimaki.com/ with 48€ per night for four people. The price is very good but is this place good for staying or are there better ones?

Thank you!

[Franky]

Most stages are west of Jyväskylä, so you'll end up doing quite a lot of driving from Ruuhimäki.

There's always the option to camp at the stages, think the overnight parking at "field parks" was 10 Euros.

[Rallyper]

I would say search for places in the Jämsä/Jämsänkoski area. Though we don´t know about 2015 stages they probably are in the SW-W and NW of Jyväskylä. Having a proper car and maximum two persons makes it easy to sleep in cat near stages or even into stages at good places. Give you most flexibilty.

[EstWRC]

Thanks for the answers. Yeah we canceled the idea to stay in ruuhimäki, we are going by car from estonia and there's four of us. At the moment we have decided that most of the nights we are camping at the stages but one night we will book some apartment or something to get shower and proper sleep and so on. Im still open to any ideas or links you guys have.