Rallye Monte Carlo 2014

[jparker]

I bet the timing system is not automatically pushing the Split Times to wrc.com.
My guess, somebody types them manually.
Kind of Flinstones age.

[KKS]

I have so slow http://www.citroenracing.com/en/live-re ... plit&car=1 (http://www.citroenracing.com/en/live-results/?id=6715&idEpr=SS8&typf=split&car=1) reload page, same for evreyone or just for me?

[er88]

Mikkelsen crossed tyres

[Astro83]

I bet the timing system is not automatically pushing the Split Times to wrc.com.
My guess, somebody types them manually.
Kind of Flinstones age.


:laugh: :laugh:

[KKS]

GO BUffier!!!!! faster then seOG

[Jarek Z]

Yeah, something wrong with Mikko or the car... :(

It must be the car, because Mikko was repaired yesterday:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BeKYp-vIYAAHD8k.jpg:large

[dimviii]

I have so slow http://www.citroenracing.com/en/live-re ... plit&car=1 (http://www.citroenracing.com/en/live-results/?id=6715&idEpr=SS8&typf=split&car=1) reload page, same for evreyone or just for me?

same for me.Go to ifficial site works better now.

[jonkka]

It must be the car, because Mikko was repaired yesterday:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BeKYp-vIYAAHD8k.jpg:large

Damn he looks old!

[MartijnS]

Dangerous stuff at the stopfinish! Both Ostberg and Ogier choose to go off in a field to avoid hitting someone :eek: Too short a distance from the flying finish.

[WUff1]

Yeah, something wrong with Mikko or the car... :(

It must be the car, because Mikko was repaired yesterday:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BeKYp-vIYAAHD8k.jpg:large


:laugh: :laugh:

[noel157]

I have so slow http://www.citroenracing.com/en/live-re ... plit&car=1 (http://www.citroenracing.com/en/live-results/?id=6715&idEpr=SS8&typf=split&car=1) reload page, same for evreyone or just for me?

Me too, sometimes doesn't load at all. Back to WRC.com

[Jarek Z]

For an example,

In Rally Sweden, P.Tidemand will drive a latest spec Fiesta as an privateer for M-Sport. So yes, this year, you can get latest updates even as a privateer. :)

Thanks for the info. It's only good for the sport!

[noel157]

..................

[KKS]

same for me.Go to ifficial site works better now.
In officals, as we know, mokeys put results to the site :)
With 1min reload citroen page I get quicker splits then on wrc.com :(

[Astro83]

Meeke is really doing a good rally. For those who said that he is not qiuck enough... :D ;)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Good run BB !! :D

[jonkka]

Meeke is really doing a good rally. For those who said that he is not qiuck enough... :D ;)

I don't think the doubt was about his speed but his ability to finish.

[marcosg]

grande bouffier!!!

[WUff1]

Great time Buff!

[sindroms]

GO BUffier!!!!! faster then seOG

It's way too early, but anyway... when was the last rally won by non-manufacture driver? (Kronos and Loeb dosen't count :))

[thuGG]

So we have two good battles at the front: Bouffier/Ogier and Meeke/Kubica :D

[Fast Eddie WRC]

I hate this Australian Dean Herridge on Rally radio, cant understand a word he says.. :hmph:

[stefanvv]

GO BUffier!!!!! faster then seOG

It's way too early, but anyway... when was the last rally won by non-manufacture driver?
Ostberg in Portugal 2012 I think

[er88]

Meeke is driving within himself too. SO FAR very contolled drive yet he is still crushing latvala and hirvonen- plus his teamate mads who has 6 or 7 times more wrc starts in wrc car than him :bounce: Brilliant Bouffier :bounce:

[dimviii]

I hate this Australian Dean Herridge on Rally radio, cant understand a word he says.. :hmph:

me too.

[jonkka]

It's way too early, but anyway... when was the last rally won by non-manufacture driver? (Kronos and Loeb dosen't count :))

In my eyes Kronos counts, but if not then it's 1993 San Remo & Cunico.

[Astro83]

Meeke is really doing a good rally. For those who said that he is not qiuck enough... :D ;)

I don't think the doubt was about his speed but his ability to finish.


Naa, many have doubt his speed, but maby not at this forum. It's not easy to jump into a wrc car at two events to show off when he not as rallying for a long time. But absolutly, he needs to finish this years events.

But this event, it feels like he don't go flat out every were, and now drive with his head. And for his first tarmac event in this car - this is real good! ;)

But ok, Im a Meeke fan.. :D

[Martin S]

http://www.ewrc-results.com/results.php ... Carlo-2014 (http://www.ewrc-results.com/results.php?e=13442&t=Rallye-Monte-Carlo-2014)

[jonkka]

Ah yes, Ostberg 2012 is correct, he drove for Adapta, not Ford...

[dimviii]

Sebastien Ogier ?@SebOgier 8 ?????
SS8 Finish time control very busy and getting dangerous. No comment from Seb

old good Ogier.

[Astro83]

But it's sad that Meeke often start the stages with very fast split times and to the end, he go slower and lost much time. He had some seconds on Kubica and he lost it again..

[jonkka]

Meeke is driving within himself too. SO FAR very contolled drive yet he is still crushing latvala and hirvonen- plus his teamate mads who has 6 or 7 times more wrc starts in wrc car than him :bounce: Brilliant Bouffier :bounce:

But his team mate is next to hopeless on tarmac so better comparison should be for example Latvala. Then again, JML is being beaten by Ostberg.

[er88]

Bouffier has RATTLED Ogier :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[Jarek Z]

Allez Bryan allez!!! Well done! Please win Monte one more time!

[bluuford]

So, now the mud is all on the road.. there is not much ice and we still have some rain and they have only 10 proper tyres for these conditions (snow without studs)...
That means..most of the remaining stages will be run on wrong tyres?

[AndyRAC]

Fastest time for Bryan - shouldn't really be surprised though. He does go well on the event.

[KKS]

So, now the mud is all on the road.. there is not much ice and we still have some rain and they have only 10 proper tyres for these conditions (snow without studs)...
That means..most of the remaining stages will be run on wrong tyres?
And how about put out studs from winter studded tyre?
Or its not allow do with mechanics at service area?

[jparker]

As usual in this forum, the wannabes are getting priced, ant the best drivers condemned.

[KKS]

If you want WRC radio on your Android smartphone but you don't have flash to open in the browser, you can have it doing that :

1. get MX Player from the play store https://play.google.com/store/apps/deta ... r.ad&hl=fr (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.mxtech.videoplayer.ad&hl=fr)
2. click on the three dots on the top right hand side of the app, select "Network stream"
3. copy and paste this link : http://unas.mpl.miisolutions.net:1935/u ... ylist.m3u8 (http://unas.mpl.miisolutions.net:1935/unas-live08/_definst_/mp4:wrc_radio_eng/playlist.m3u8)
4. click OK and WRC radio should start on your smartphone !!
I want listed WRR at Winamp, and this url stream link - didn't work.
In that playlist file not a direct link, there are one more playlist.

[WUff1]

Even podium would be a real success for him!

[MartijnS]

I'm glad RallyRadio just works without problems on my iPhone ;)

[dimviii]

Ogier

Lots of water on the road, very worn tar, with many black patches on the road, the grip is a bit like ice.
They noted maximum and openers have added us.
I was quite surprised at the beginning of special, I am surprised that Bryan was able to ride as fast at the beginning of ES with its tires.
The safety of the arrival of the two, it sucks shit, we get to 180, without grip, they are placed after 150m we go into the field to avoid killing 15 people.
Bryan quite a beautiful morning, but the road is still long, everything is still doable .

[Fast Eddie WRC]

:bounce:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BeLYfMfIAAAQXqR.jpg

[KKS]

Spam me a full HD internet links for BT Sport plz :)

http://cricfree.tv/bt-sport-1.php - with poor quality :(

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Spam me a full HD internet links for BT Sport plz :)

http://cricfree.tv/bt-sport-1.php - with poor quality :(

Few more here: http://www.wiziwig.tv/broadcast.php?mat ... art=sports (http://www.wiziwig.tv/broadcast.php?matchid=240078&part=sports)

[sindroms]

Spam me a full HD internet links for BT Sport plz :)

http://cricfree.tv/bt-sport-1.php - with poor quality :(

viewtopic.php?f=98&t=137024&start=940#p1181652 (http://www.motorsportforums.com/viewtopic.php?f=98&t=137024&start=940#p1181652)

[leighton323]

Will the live broadcast be in english? Or only French?

[KKS]

Spam me a full HD internet links for BT Sport plz :)

http://cricfree.tv/bt-sport-1.php - with poor quality :(

http://www.motorsportforums.com/viewtop ... 0#p1181652 (http://www.motorsportforums.com/viewtopic.php?f=98&t=137024&start=940#p1181652)
Thanks you
?? ???? ??? ??????? ?? ?????????????? ??? ?????? :) Some words in russian how close are HQ stream :)

[tolis]

http://www.hqsport.tv/bt_sport1.php

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BeLSgHkIAAAOt2-.jpg

Colin Clark ?@voiceofrally 1 hour
On way@ SS9 and the weather's weird! Rainbows, gaps in the cloud, threatening skies and intermittent torrential rain!

[stefanvv]

Spam me a full HD internet links for BT Sport plz :)

http://cricfree.tv/bt-sport-1.php - with poor quality :(

viewtopic.php?f=98&t=137024&start=940#p1181652 (http://www.motorsportforums.com/viewtopic.php?f=98&t=137024&start=940#p1181652)
Thanks you
?? ???? ??? ??????? ?? ?????????????? ??? ?????? :) Some words in russian how close are HQ stream :)
Yes, if you install this program, you get the best quality

[Sukhoi]

Spam me a full HD internet links for BT Sport plz :)

http://cricfree.tv/bt-sport-1.php - with poor quality :(

viewtopic.php?f=98&t=137024&start=940#p1181652 (http://www.motorsportforums.com/viewtopic.php?f=98&t=137024&start=940#p1181652)
Thanks you
?? ???? ??? ??????? ?? ?????????????? ??? ?????? :) Some words in russian how close are HQ stream :)
Yes, if you install this program, you get the best quality




Don't forget to uncheck everything except main program during installation , You might install unwanted extensions and features..

first box is enough for the steam to launch :r2d2:


EDIT: HERE WE GO , JUST STARTED !

[dimviii]

Julian Porter ?@The_Rally_Guru 41 min
Something really strange has happened at the end of SS9......it's stopped raining & the sun has come out

[makinen_fan]

http://www.hqsport.tv/bt_sport1.php

and its ON!! quality is ok. really curious how they will present it.

[Sukhoi]

Anyone has information on tyres they picked ?

[Astro83]

So fucking wonderful to see it live!!!! :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

[drive]

direct link to BT sport live1 on torrent TV for those without russian knowledge
http://torrent-tv.ru/torrent-online.php?translation=6844

[dimviii]

Stage is mostly wet, no rain

[T.Maanteiden kuningas]

I'm glad RallyRadio just works without problems on my iPhone ;)

Can I ask what iPhone you have? Is wrc radio working without special tricks?

[MartijnS]

4, yes on Safari just go to wrc.com, media, wrc live , click on the radio link, it opens in a new window and than click the playbutton.

[Nikey]

http://www.hqsport.tv/bt_sport1.php

Wow, thanks. I thought that I was ok just listening to rallyradio but this is way better. Great way to get ready for tomorrow when they start rally season here in Finland

[noel157]

J-M stopped.

Edit- puncture and changed.

[Sukhoi]

latvala stop

[hari]

Probably puncture for Latvala

[stefanvv]

Puncture for Latvala?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

JML puncture.

[makinen_fan]

A bit slow tyre change, 2min+. They seem to be too slow putting the seat belts back on

[stefanvv]

Onboard from Ogier's Polo, fantastic

[T.Maanteiden kuningas]

4, yes on Safari just go to wrc.com, media, wrc live , click on the radio link, it opens in a new window and than click the playbutton.

Thank you!

[Sukhoi]

When is the next live stage planned ?

[dimviii]

MICHELIN Motorsport ?@michelin_sport 4 ?????
#tyres information: Meeke/Ost/Mikk/Bouf/Ogier/Kub 4 Super Soft +2Alpin - Hirvo/Evans/Latvala 4 Alpin+2S

[noel157]

Not bad commentary. Strange hearing Paul King speaking normally, not shouting and pretending to be excited.....

[Micke_VOC]

Great stream with Acestream... =)
Nice commentary with Paul and Atkinson

[stefanvv]

Mikkelsen catched Melicharec again, 3 mins were not enough

EDIT: That was Latvala behind Evans actually

[makinen_fan]

Good commentary, he is so much better live than the 'fake' live he used to do :p
But we could really do with some splits showing on screen.

[HarriK]

Mikkelsen catched Melicharec again, 3 mins were not enough

No he did not.

[Astro83]

Meeke looses time in every split against Kubica :(

[WUff1]

Ogier and Kubica flying

[thuGG]

Meeke looses time in every split against Kubica :(
Meeke looses time in every split against Kubica :)

[Astro83]

Meeke looses time in every split against Kubica :(
Meeke looses time in every split against Kubica :)

:D :(

[thuGG]

Meeke looses time in every split against Kubica :(
Meeke looses time in every split against Kubica :)


And he proably crashed :(

[noel157]

And RK stopped?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Kubica problem ???

[jonkka]

It's funny how splits work - if difference is positive, time is nicely formatted mm:ss (minutes and seconds) but if it's negative, it's formatted as seconds only.

[Adler]

live stream

http://cdnx.livetv.sx/webplayer.php?t=i ... i=547&si=7 (http://cdnx.livetv.sx/webplayer.php?t=ifr&c=185978&lang=de&eid=210477&lid=185978&ci=547&si=7)

[Astro83]

Meeke looses time in every split against Kubica :(
Meeke looses time in every split against Kubica :)


And he proably crashed :(


Would be very sad.. I "hope" for a puncture... so he can go on but real sad because he is driving like hell

[noel157]

Is the live broadcast sponsored by VW Motorsport?

[HarriK]

It's funny how splits work - if difference is positive, time is nicely formatted mm:ss (minutes and seconds) but if it's negative, it's formatted as seconds only.

poor programmers... VERY POOR!

[thuGG]

Is the live broadcast sponsored by VW Motorsport?
Looks like it.

[jonkka]

poor programmers... VERY POOR!

Or testing only with one type of time difference... :D

[WUff1]

... and Bouffier will probably loose first position against Ogier after this stage, if it goes on like this.

Very very sorry about Kubica!

[stefanvv]

It's funny how splits work - if difference is positive, time is nicely formatted mm:ss (minutes and seconds) but if it's negative, it's formatted as seconds only.

poor programmers... VERY POOR!
I don't think so, probably got healthy amount for it

[stefanvv]

Real shame for Kubica, he had soooo good split times

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Kubica off :(

Ogier 1st. What a shame for Kubica. And Bouffier spun :(

[stefanvv]

Not bad time for Mikkelsen

[hari]

Bouffier spun, spectators had to push him out

[Astro83]

So sorry for Kubica... Off again... :/

Bryan also lost time.. :(

[Micke_VOC]

My hat off for Ogier...
Sad for Kubica, but what a stage from Ogier.

[Astro83]

will they send ss10 live to??

[AdvEvo]

Every joe average can drive rally s if you loose 40 sec in just one stage.

:(

[noel157]

will they send ss10 live to??

No, next and last live stage is SS15 tomorrow night.

[er88]

Sad for kubica but showed great speed. Meeke is driving really sensibly which is good- hope he keeps it up :) Ogier was just immense in that stage, credit to him!

[jonkka]

Apart from Ogier on 1st, the podium looks to be consisting of very unusual lot...

[kirungi okwogera]

So disappointing about Kubica! But it just goes to show he's got a great potential in the future, certainly on tarmac rallies.

If I were Hyundai, I'd be pretty annoyed at whoever decided to drop Bouffier from the lineup!! Interesting to see if the battle may continue later or if Ogier will run away with it now.

[Nornbugger]

Every joe average can drive rally s if you loose 40 sec in just one stage.

:(


on your playstation maybe, should you not still be in school at this time of day anyhow?

[A FONDO]

http://www.cams.com.au/media/221971/WRCRApodium_2_300x450.jpg

[jparker]

What's the percentage of completed rallies for Kubica? 10, 20%?

[thuGG]

60,70%?

Do you think he won WRC2 with 10,20% rally finished, smartass?

[makinen_fan]

will they send ss10 live to??

No, next and last live stage is SS15 tomorrow night.

BT Sport 2 are also showing SS13 tomorrow at 1430 uk time

[stefanvv]

will they send ss10 live to??
No, tomorrow SS13 & 15 only

[Sukhoi]

What's the percentage of completed rallies for Kubica? 10, 20%?


Trying to be funny?

[Astro83]

Sad for kubica but showed great speed. Meeke is driving really sensibly which is good- hope he keeps it up :) Ogier was just immense in that stage, credit to him!

Okej Noel, thanks! :)

Er88. Ye, we need to pray for Meeke, so he keep this speed up and drive on the road. But after SS9, when he said that he slowed down after Kubicas crash, that makes much sense! It feels like he is very calm and drive smart right now!

So much fun!!! :bounce:

But Ogier, it's something special about this guy... No one is near him in speed, but he had some big moments on SS9 :P

[bluuford]

I was looking Ogier onboard.. he was basically offroad in every 10th or 15th corner. he was driving that car at least 120%. Do not tell me He was not pushing 100% :-).. That was crazy!!!

[dupanton]

If there is going to be a lot of snow tomorrow, as expected, things are far from over. The differences now are peanuts if you make a wrong tyre choice tomorrow...

[stefanvv]

But Ogier, it's something special about this guy... No one is near him in speed, but he had some big moments on SS9 :P
Not really big I think, I saw just one big slide on a slow muddy corner

[AdvEvo]

Every joe average can drive rally s if you loose 40 sec in just one stage.

:(


on your playstation maybe, should you not still be in school at this time of day anyhow?


Haha youre real funny:)

[Nikey]

At the moment stage times ss1-ss8 don't seem to be working at wrc.com

[A FONDO]

I was looking Ogier onboard.. he was basically offroad in every 10th or 15th corner. he was driving that car at least 120%. Do not tell me He was not pushing 100% :-).. That was crazy!!!
if the promoters do not upload the full onboard of this stage, they must be murdered

[er88]

What's the percentage of completed rallies for Kubica? 10, 20%?


Trying to be funny?

jparker Kubica has raw talent. Consistency will come. Nobody expected kubica to be this fast in his 2nd rally in wrc spec car in wrc.

[sindroms]

Kubica:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BeLw668IEAA9bCR.jpg:large

[bluuford]

But Ogier, it's something special about this guy... No one is near him in speed, but he had some big moments on SS9 :P
Not really big I think, I saw just one big slide on a slow muddy corner

I was only looking from big screen the onboard.. well.. I could not count those moments :-) But it was really entertaining!

[Nornbugger]

So disappointing about Kubica! But it just goes to show he's got a great potential in the future, certainly on tarmac rallies.

If I were Hyundai, I'd be pretty annoyed at whoever decided to drop Bouffier from the lineup!! Interesting to see if the battle may continue later or if Ogier will run away with it now.


Who would you have dropped, past Monte winner Bouffier, 2013 wonderkid junior Neuville, or one of the best no.2s the sport has ever seen Sordo? They chose their fastest driver and their banker, didnt work out this time but they had 3 men for the job and 2 cars, someone had to miss out.

Shame of Kubica, but watching Ogier incar their its incredible that RK was running at that pace, Ogier is an incredible driver but he has had lucky bounces this weekend that another time could have been damage and real time loss

[Sukhoi]

60,70%?

Do you think he won WRC2 with 10,20% rally finished, smartass?


He finished in exactly 78,2% of his rallies (ERC/WRC2/WRC)

counted 23 (including MC2014) binned it 5 times..

[Marcco]

What's the percentage of completed rallies for Kubica? 10, 20%?
According to ewrc-results.com:

Starts total: 39 Finished events: 26 (66.7 %)

[Astro83]

But Ogier, it's something special about this guy... No one is near him in speed, but he had some big moments on SS9 :P
Not really big I think, I saw just one big slide on a slow muddy corner

Haha, no not just one.. ;) At least 3-4... I see at least 2 big ones. But okey, no one of them had ended his rally if he had gone off the road. But in SS9, he drove at least 100% ;)

The difference between him and the others is that he ofc has a lot amount of skills but he is a hot head, he goes flat out there no one else tries... He is special in a good way, but a bit boring that he always win! :smokin:

[er88]

But Ogier, it's something special about this guy... No one is near him in speed, but he had some big moments on SS9 :P
Not really big I think, I saw just one big slide on a slow muddy corner

I saw at least two big moments where he did superb to prevent a spin. Slow right hander with house inside and a left hander with mud inside where he went into the field a bit.

[Astro83]

.

[Astro83]

And this talk about Bryan and Hyundai.

Bryan is very skilled in Monte Carlo and on fast dry tarmac as well, but he is a Monte specialist. Sordo is more all round I think.

Sordo is a much better choice I think in the long run!

Hang me if you will :)

But Bryan and Dani in Monte would have been a perfect setup.

Sordo did it very well as long as the car worked.

[Sukhoi]

reading that Kubica car doesn't seem to be damaged..shame there's no Rally2 on Monte

[jparker]

Well, am I the only one that thinks that Kubica is not destined for big things in rally?
I've seen him few times on TV, and his driving is full with errors. I guess he's just brave enough to push that pedal, but that's it.
I don't see any talent in him so ever.

[stefanvv]

The difference between him and the others is that he ofc has a lot amount of skills but he is a hot head, he goes flat out there no one else tries... He is special in a good way, but a bit boring that he always win! :smokin:
Yeah, apart from his driving skills he wins the most at the most difficult stages. Loeb did the same.

[jonkka]

At the moment stage times ss1-ss8 don't seem to be working at wrc.com

Yeah, another piece of great programming.

[er88]

Wonder how Bouffier will react to losing the lead? Will his pace drop off and he'll get dragged closer to Meeke or do we think the gaps will stay similar for the rest of the day with only Ogier pulling away? Im enjoying the rally :bounce:

[kirungi okwogera]

So disappointing about Kubica! But it just goes to show he's got a great potential in the future, certainly on tarmac rallies.

If I were Hyundai, I'd be pretty annoyed at whoever decided to drop Bouffier from the lineup!! Interesting to see if the battle may continue later or if Ogier will run away with it now.


Who would you have dropped, past Monte winner Bouffier, 2013 wonderkid junior Neuville, or one of the best no.2s the sport has ever seen Sordo? They chose their fastest driver and their banker, didnt work out this time but they had 3 men for the job and 2 cars, someone had to miss out.

Shame of Kubica, but watching Ogier incar their its incredible that RK was running at that pace, Ogier is an incredible driver but he has had lucky bounces this weekend that another time could have been damage and real time loss

Of course since they are fielding only 2 cars here you make a good point, those two drivers are a reasonable choice. But haven't they got Hanninen and Atkinson for some rallies? Does anybody think those guys will bring a fight to Ogier first time? I know Bouffier is kind of known as a Monte specialist, as old-school rally used to have more, but I wonder if that's not just that he's a generally good tarmac pilot who always happens to do the tarmac event with the biggest profile due to his limited budgets.

I guess what I'm saying is while they've made a reasonable choice that happened to go bad this time, I'd be looking to get him in if
a) they ever run more than 2 cars this year or
b) Sordo or other second drivers don't pay off

And Astro83 yes you may be right, I should look at Bouffier's other results to compare to Sordo... is rally still a "specialist" sport like in 90s and earlier?

[Sukhoi]

Well, am I the only one that thinks that Kubica is not destined for big things in rally?
I've seen him few times on TV, and his driving is full with errors. I guess he's just brave enough to push that pedal, but that's it.
I don't see any talent in him so ever.


Seems You are Sir..

[stefanvv]

Well, am I the only one that thinks that Kubica is not destined for big things in rally?
I've seen him few times on TV, and his driving is full with errors. I guess he's just brave enough to push that pedal, but that's it.
I don't see any talent in him so ever.
I think he was doing pretty good driving at this Rally

[er88]

Well, am I the only one that thinks that Kubica is not destined for big things in rally?
I've seen him few times on TV, and his driving is full with errors. I guess he's just brave enough to push that pedal, but that's it.
I don't see any talent in him so ever.

Are you f*cking deluded or blind - or both?? No talent ffs :crazy: ???

[KKS]

http://www.cams.com.au/media/221971/WRCRApodium_2_300x450.jpg
:D Great pic... accurate to situation :D
In Ukraine at such situation we said: "good one! take a cookie from shelf"

[Dug83]

I've seen him few times on TV, I don't see any talent in him so ever.

An expert I see...............

[sp0+]

Well, am I the only one that thinks that Kubica is not destined for big things in rally?
I've seen him few times on TV, and his driving is full with errors. I guess he's just brave enough to push that pedal, but that's it.
I don't see any talent in him so ever.

You must be joking, right?

You get a WRCar and in your second rally, you just score some incredible times in the most difficult rally with the highest level of competition. If this is not talent, then what is?

IMHO, talent is not the problem, he has a lot.... Controling his pace though, is a big one, and he has to work on that... But for sure speed is there, with or without mistakes(?).....

[jparker]

Well, am I the only one that thinks that Kubica is not destined for big things in rally?
I've seen him few times on TV, and his driving is full with errors. I guess he's just brave enough to push that pedal, but that's it.
I don't see any talent in him so ever.
I think he was doing pretty good driving at this Rally

Well, let's hope I'm wrong. I have nothing against the guy, I just shared my thoughts.

[dimviii]

https://scontent-b-ams.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/q71/s720x720/1546011_10151854992780754_450768880_n.jpg
https://scontent-a-ams.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/q71/s720x720/68635_584691528277573_1120965669_n.jpg

Hats off to Ogier.He showed who is the master.At difficult circumstance has a diificulty to attack from 1st day?(Alsace last year same situation)
About his moments,ok they were some,but at videos i ve seen moments for everybody except Hirvonen.
Rally has long way more.
@bluford any weather predictions for tomorrow?

[Sukhoi]

Well, am I the only one that thinks that Kubica is not destined for big things in rally?
I've seen him few times on TV, and his driving is full with errors. I guess he's just brave enough to push that pedal, but that's it.
I don't see any talent in him so ever.
I think he was doing pretty good driving at this Rally

Well, let's hope I'm wrong. I have nothing against the guy, I just shared my thoughts.


everyone has right to his own opinion

I suggest some users to Keep Calm .. Carry On Gentelman!

[dimviii]

must be part of next stage :skull: If so everything is open
https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/t1/q71/1546425_528817423892142_1662043329_n.jpg

[stefanvv]

Some scenery:
http://www.volkswagen-motorsport.com/fileadmin/user_upload/Fans_Friends/1%20WRC/Rallye/Monte%20Carlo/Berichterstattung/2014/20140117/Galerie_des_Tages/886x498px_vw-20140117-9508.jpg
http://www.volkswagen-motorsport.com/fileadmin/user_upload/Fans_Friends/1%20WRC/Rallye/Monte%20Carlo/Berichterstattung/2014/20140117/Galerie_des_Tages/886x498px_vw-20140117-9513.jpg
http://www.volkswagen-motorsport.com/fileadmin/user_upload/Fans_Friends/1%20WRC/Rallye/Monte%20Carlo/Berichterstattung/2014/20140117/Galerie_des_Tages/886x498px_vw-20140117-9515.jpg

[Astro83]

wow... that's some ice! Meeke, put on your two winter tyres!!!!!!!!!!

This will be interesting

[stefanvv]

must be part of next stage :skull: If so everything is open
https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/t1/q71/1546425_528817423892142_1662043329_n.jpg
That looks like ice skating

[kirungi okwogera]

OK to continue my Bouffier/RMC thoughts, I looked at his results and for sure he's good on tarmac, hard to say more to compare to Sordo due to only one previous rally in a WRC car (last year's RMC in a DS3 he came 5th). It's hard to say who'd be better in a "full asphalt season" between the two drivers to be honest. And I like Sordo!

I can say this is only Bouffier's second rally in a WRC car and first rally in a Ford, a strong experienced driver on tarmac but unproven in WRC, showing very good pace this rally, hmm who does that sound like to you all? Maybe somebody who everybody is going ape for in this thread?

Hint: he is Polish

[jonkka]

Without skates, that is

[dimviii]

wrc video for stage 7-8 has the moments of Ogier and Ostberg at stage stop which was very near to flying.It was very near to catastrophe....
http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/media/videos/ ... -80--.html (http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/media/videos/page/112--80--.html)

[Astro83]

wrc video for stage 7-8 has the moments of Ogier and Ostberg at stage stop which was very near to flying.It was very near to catastrophe....
http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/media/videos/ ... -80--.html (http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/media/videos/page/112--80--.html)


It's a real strange way to set up a stage finish... full pace on 6th gear and 100m until stop!? Happy ending and that's good.


But seriously - what's about Hirvonen!? I'm getting disappointing, had hoped for much more speed now when he is back in the lovely Fiesta! :angryfire

[stefanvv]

wrc video for stage 7-8 has the moments of Ogier and Ostberg at stage stop which was very near to flying.It was very near to catastrophe....
http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/media/videos/ ... -80--.html (http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/media/videos/page/112--80--.html)
Crazy stuff

[Astro83]

Mikkelsen stoped!

[Kalm]

:eek: now I understand Ogiers stage end quote from that stage....

[dimviii]

http://www.rallye-sport.fr/wp-content/gallery/monte-carlo-2014-arno/mg_5702.jpg
http://www.rallye-sport.fr/wp-content/gallery/monte-carlo-2014-arno/mg_5809.jpg

nice photos
http://www.rallye-sport.fr/photos-rally ... arlo-2014/ (http://www.rallye-sport.fr/photos-rallye-monte-carlo-2014/)

[Astro83]

Hirvonen is so slow, I can't understand what's happend to him in the past years!! Look at this stage splits... :|

[Tom206wrc]

Östberg looks fast on SS10 :bounce:

[jparker]

wrc video for stage 7-8 has the moments of Ogier and Ostberg at stage stop which was very near to flying.It was very near to catastrophe....
http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/media/videos/ ... -80--.html (http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/media/videos/page/112--80--.html)

On that video Kubica once again is going wide on turns.
He's not loosing time, so I don't know what to think.

[dimviii]

Bouffier +2 after 10km .Seems he fight.

[dimviii]

+4,5sec at 2/5 of stage kms

[Francis44]

wrc video for stage 7-8 has the moments of Ogier and Ostberg at stage stop which was very near to flying.It was very near to catastrophe....
http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/media/videos/ ... -80--.html (http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/media/videos/page/112--80--.html)

That could have ended very badly. I know the road is wet and perhaps they weren't expecting the cars to need more space to brake but It couldn't be impossible to have the stop 100 meters later.

[RAS007]

.......shame there's no Rally2 on Monte

No, it's not a shame. The shame is that Rally2 exists at all.

[Francis44]

.......shame there's no Rally2 on Monte

No, it's not a shame. The shame is that Rally2 exists at all.

Tell that to Delecour's sponsors.

[noel157]

No, next and last live stage is SS15 tomorrow night.

BT Sport 2 are also showing SS13 tomorrow at 1430 uk time[/quote]

Thanks MF, my bad.

[dimviii]

wrc video for stage 7-8 has the moments of Ogier and Ostberg at stage stop which was very near to flying.It was very near to catastrophe....
http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/media/videos/ ... -80--.html (http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/media/videos/page/112--80--.html)

That could have ended very badly. I know the road is wet and perhaps they weren't expecting the cars to need more space to brake but It couldn't be impossible to have the stop 100 meters later.

fingers crossed,just imagine a evo grN with more top speed than a wrc car,and an inexperienced driver,trying to brake with the road blocked from some 20 people,some of them seating at chairs.....

[Tom206wrc]

Östberg stopped ??? :confused:
Edit: OK, just splits ;)

[jonkka]

fingers crossed,just imagine a evo grN with more top speed than a wrc car,and an inexperienced driver,trying to brake with the road blocked from some 20 people,some of them seating at chairs.....

I don't think there many inexperienced drivers in RMC. And it was worst for the first driver, for others the tracks on field give a very strong hint as to what to do.

[Astro83]

Östberg stopped ??? :confused:
Edit: OK, just splits ;)


no just slooow split updates

[dimviii]

I don't think there many inexperienced drivers in RMC.

Serderidis

[dimviii]

VolkswagenRally ?@VolkswagenRally 6 ?????
"In a very slow corner it was very slippery. I apologize. The car is fine. I let JML pass to not destroy his race", says @AMikkelsenRally

[dimviii]

Latvala was on 3 snow and 1 slick tyre due to puncture at previous stage

[dimviii]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/q71/s720x720/1545849_582840498471553_1771233829_n.jpg

[Fast Eddie WRC]

BB 11.4 down on Ogier :(

[KKS]

oh Buffier just lose at the end.... great run through the stage from Brayan

[stefanvv]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/q71/s720x720/1545849_582840498471553_1771233829_n.jpg
Whoa, the car seemed sprayed with fire extinguisher

[Francis44]

wrc video for stage 7-8 has the moments of Ogier and Ostberg at stage stop which was very near to flying.It was very near to catastrophe....
http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/media/videos/ ... -80--.html (http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/media/videos/page/112--80--.html)

That could have ended very badly. I know the road is wet and perhaps they weren't expecting the cars to need more space to brake but It couldn't be impossible to have the stop 100 meters later.

fingers crossed,just imagine a evo grN with more top speed than a wrc car,and an inexperienced driver,trying to brake with the road blocked from some 20 people,some of them seating at chairs.....

Indeed, hoppefully it will serve the organizers as experience to not do it again.

[RAS007]

.......shame there's no Rally2 on Monte

No, it's not a shame. The shame is that Rally2 exists at all.

Tell that to Delecour's sponsors.

Given that they have been sponsoring him for a few years now, I'm sure they knew the risks.

[bt52b]

wrc video for stage 7-8 has the moments of Ogier and Ostberg at stage stop which was very near to flying.It was very near to catastrophe....
http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/media/videos/ ... -80--.html (http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/media/videos/page/112--80--.html)


It's a real strange way to set up a stage finish... full pace on 6th gear and 100m until stop!? Happy ending and that's good.


But seriously - what's about Hirvonen!? I'm getting disappointing, had hoped for much more speed now when he is back in the lovely Fiesta! :angryfire

And with a corner in the braking area, which is usually a recipe for disaster.

Drivers would have recced this finish, maybe layout is wrong, usually 300m from finish to stop.

[dimviii]

yes must be much more than 100-150 meters.Boiled brakes some times dont be up to the job at stage ends.

[Astro83]

wrc video for stage 7-8 has the moments of Ogier and Ostberg at stage stop which was very near to flying.It was very near to catastrophe....
http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/media/videos/ ... -80--.html (http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/media/videos/page/112--80--.html)


It's a real strange way to set up a stage finish... full pace on 6th gear and 100m until stop!? Happy ending and that's good.


But seriously - what's about Hirvonen!? I'm getting disappointing, had hoped for much more speed now when he is back in the lovely Fiesta! :angryfire

And with a corner in the braking area, which is usually a recipe for disaster.

Drivers would have recced this finish, maybe layout is wrong, usually 300m from finish to stop.


Yes, I agree that the drivers should have a note of this in their pace-notes but anyway, it's a stupid mistake from the organizers anyway. 300m as you say is a natural distance. It is how it is, and this time it went okey but it will be some talking about this.

[er88]

Meeke in cruise control last 2 stages. This is where i worry about him as when he is driving within himself and not in a battle he can lose concentration and crash like in finland- even Australia when he said he wasnt pushing hard when he rolled. Hope he has another nice steady run through last stage today as he is doing great :smokin:. Goo Meeke!!!!

Only snow tomorrow prevents Ogier winning imo. Bouffier will need to hope for unpredictable weather to win but 2nd would still be amazing result for him. Mikko is embarrassingly bad- whats happened to him? :rolleyes:

[stefanvv]

Imagine if there was ice on the road

[stefanvv]

Only snow tomorrow prevents Ogier winning imo. Bouffier will need to hope for unpredictable weather to win but 2nd would still be amazing result for him. Mikko is embarrassingly bad- whats happened to him? :rolleyes:
Ogier should have more snow tyres

[RS]

I think BT Sport 2 has SS11 live at 5pm UK time.

[Astro83]

Meeke in cruise control last 2 stages. This is where i worry about him as when he is driving within himself and not in a battle he can lose concentration and crash like in finland- even Australia when he said he wasnt pushing hard when he rolled. Hope he has another nice steady run through last stage today as he is doing great :smokin:. Goo Meeke!!!!

Only snow tomorrow prevents Ogier winning imo. Bouffier will need to hope for unpredictable weather to win but 2nd would still be amazing result for him. Mikko is embarrassingly bad- whats happened to him? :rolleyes:


Yes, I will be so nervous tomorrow! Plz Meeke, take the car to finish!! Then he will have gathering a cup full of confidence for next races and with a podium finish in the first Rally, Y.Matton will be very pleased I think! :D :bounce:


Yea, Hirvonen, wtf!! I was really thinking that he would find back to the speed with the Fiesta but, I will wait until after Sweden to judge him. But this rally is really bad as for his stage times! But have Hirvonen ever been fast here??

Anyway, for now, Im a bit disappointed for him.


Go Meeke!!

[stefanvv]

I think BT Sport 2 has SS11 live at 5pm UK time.
Do you think so, I saw day 2 review at that time and thought that was weird as there is stage at that time still

[Astro83]

I think BT Sport 2 has SS11 live at 5pm UK time.

Are you sure? This is very important to know! :P

[RS]

I think BT Sport 2 has SS11 live at 5pm UK time.

Are you sure? This is very important to know! :P

Fairly. There is a programme listed for the same time as the stage, the day review is this evening.

Unfortunately BT seem very poor at updating their entries on the EPG; a couple of days ago no WRC was listed at all!

[Astro83]

I think BT Sport 2 has SS11 live at 5pm UK time.

Are you sure? This is very important to know! :P

Fairly. There is a programme listed for the same time as the stage, the day review is this evening.

Unfortunately BT seem very poor at updating their entries on the EPG; a couple of days ago no WRC was listed at all!


Okey, on BT1 as before??

[KKS]

You all didn't see final splash from SS9 Live stream?
Tomorrow SS13 Live on BT Sport2 and SS15 live - BT Sport1

[er88]

@asto83- yeah Matton will be very pleased :) especially if both his cars get in the top 4!!

That would be brilliant if bt sport 2 was showing ss11!! :bounce: However at end of ss9 commentator didnt mention it at all - just mentioned about the two stages live instead i think, soo... :confused:

[Mihai]

Yea, Hirvonen, wtf!! I was really thinking that he would find back to the speed with the Fiesta but, I will wait until after Sweden to judge him. But this rally is really bad as for his stage times! But have Hirvonen ever been fast here??


Mikko actually won RMC in a Fiesta, albeit in the IRC back in 2010. In the WRC he was second in Monte six year ago, some 2'30" down on Loeb.

[marcosg]

Well, am I the only one that thinks that Kubica is not destined for big things in rally?
I've seen him few times on TV, and his driving is full with errors. I guess he's just brave enough to push that pedal, but that's it.
I don't see any talent in him so ever.
I think he was doing pretty good driving at this Rally

Well, let's hope I'm wrong. I have nothing against the guy, I just shared my thoughts.

You sure are wrong! Way wrong... maybe you should considerer football instead ;) :)

it's extraordinary how he could keep up with Ogier (in a much better car!) while the french was in a drive "out of this world"... of course that comes with a cost....... as a kubica fan, would I be satisfied if he slowed down a bit and just made it to the finish?!?

[RS]

Okey, on BT1 as before??

BT2.

[thuGG]

(in a much better car!)

Much better? I doubt it. Maybe a bit, this is not F1.

[RS]

Yea, Hirvonen, wtf!! I was really thinking that he would find back to the speed with the Fiesta but, I will wait until after Sweden to judge him. But this rally is really bad as for his stage times! But have Hirvonen ever been fast here??


Mikko actually won RMC in a Fiesta, albeit in the IRC back in 2010.

But to answer Astro83's question, he wasn't really fast. IIRC he only won one stage and just had a steady drive with good tyre choices (and a different brand of tyre to everyone else)

[dimviii]

https://scontent-b-ams.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/q71/1505065_10153780738225341_543539239_n.jpg

[kober]

http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/media/videos/page/112--80--.html
The people that do these videos need to learn how to pronounce "Hyundai".

[WUff1]

Ogier seems to have the luck of successful sportsmen - same as Bayern Munich in Soccer.

[jparker]

OK, once again I have nothing against Kubica, but there is something wrong the way he drives.
On every video I've seen so far, he's just going all over the road, making wide turns, struggling to control the car.
Is that bad? Well, I guess not, and his times confirm that. In fact, his stile is kind of attractive to watch.
I just have the feeling that he's always on the limit.

[dimviii]

Ogier as a taxi driver
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_2_CJgi_2o

[marcosg]

OK, once again I have nothing against Kubica, but there is something wrong the way he drives.
On every video I've seen so far, he's just going all over the road, making wide turns, struggling to control the car.
Is that bad? Well, I guess not, and his times confirm that. In fact, his stile is kind of attractive to watch.
I just have the feeling that he's always on the limit.

to be that close to Ogier he had to be... Ogier was also on the limit....

[marcosg]

(in a much better car!)

Much better? I doubt it. Maybe a bit, this is not F1.

ok ok... just exaggerated a bit too..... :)

[stefanvv]

Ogier as a taxi driver
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_2_CJgi_2o
Half of taxi drivers in Sofia are trying really hard to beat him :D :D :D

[Astro83]

Yea, Hirvonen, wtf!! I was really thinking that he would find back to the speed with the Fiesta but, I will wait until after Sweden to judge him. But this rally is really bad as for his stage times! But have Hirvonen ever been fast here??


Mikko actually won RMC in a Fiesta, albeit in the IRC back in 2010.

But to answer Astro83's question, he wasn't really fast. IIRC he only won one stage and just had a steady drive with good tyre choices (and a different brand of tyre to everyone else)


Yea, I know that he won in 2010 in IRC but in WRC he has not ever been successful but one second place then? How some he most hate this rally...He's to slow, it's not okey. At least he need to do some 3-4th stage times to be ok with his experience.

But I really hope that he will find the speed that he has under the season. Otherwise, this will be his last season as a factory driver I think.

[Bartek]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KB4gNlzEiA0 > Ogier big moment!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Nice memento from Meeke for his compatriot Paddy Hopkirk - 1964 Monte winner. Hope it continues to bring him luck... ;)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BeDAmJ4IAAEKPYE.jpg

[stefanvv]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KB4gNlzEiA0 > Ogier big moment!
Noe that's a big moment. Here better view:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wciYmUzKko8

[Fast Eddie WRC]

I think BT Sport 2 has SS11 live at 5pm UK time.

Think its just a highlights repeat.. no live stage on their adverts.

[drive]

http://www.tvguide.co.uk/ says that on BT Sport 2 at 5pm UK time:
2014 Rallye Monte Carlo: Day Two Action from day two of the Rallye Monte Carlo, as the opening round of the campaign continued in Monaco, where Sebastien Loeb was victorious last year

so get ready you torrent tv's :) here is link http://torrent-tv.ru/torrent-online.php?translation=6845 just need to install aceplayer stuff, now showing motoGP ( you could watch even all skysport UK chaneels, for football, F1 later etc...).

[Kalm]

Nice memento from Meeke for his compatriot Paddy Hopkirk - 1964 Monte winner. Hope it continues to bring him luck... ;)


speaking of Legends, isn`t it Richard Burns`s birthday today ?

[stefanvv]

I think BT Sport 2 has SS11 live at 5pm UK time.

Think its just a highlights repeat.. no live stage on their adverts.
Highlight is just 30 mins, this is 1 hour

[jonkka]

speaking of Legends, isn`t it Richard Burns`s birthday today ?

That is correct.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

I think BT Sport 2 has SS11 live at 5pm UK time.

Think its just a highlights repeat.. no live stage on their adverts.
Highlight is just 30 mins, this is 1 hour

Repeat of today's live stage ??

[er88]

As soon as show starts can someone post ifs just repeat or actually ss11 live please, then il load up a stream at my work :)

[A FONDO]

I think BT Sport 2 has SS11 live at 5pm UK time.

Think its just a highlights repeat.. no live stage on their adverts.
Highlight is just 30 mins, this is 1 hour
on air now !!!!

[stefanvv]

Repeat of today's live stage ??
Yeah, look like it

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Repeat of today's live stage ??
Yeah, look like it

Knew it was..

[er88]

Bollocks :angryfire

[RS]

Seems like a repeat, shame.

[Eli]

so no SS 11 live streaming?

[big_sw2000]

ss11 is 6pm Uk time. So its not live on BT sports at 5pm

Steve

[er88]

" Stage is wet with lot of snow and ice parts, which will be difficult to see in night. " - from rallybase site

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Day Two Rallye Monte-Carlo highlights tonight in the UK 10.00pm (BT Sport 2)

[WUff1]

doublepost - sorry!

[Eli]

ss11 is 6pm Uk time. So its not live on BT sports at 5pm

Steve
so is it in one hour??? doesn't make sense the stage already started, and i don't see it on BT sports 2

[big_sw2000]

ss11 is 6pm Uk time. So its not live on BT sports at 5pm

Steve
so is it in one hour??? doesn't make sense the stage already started, and i don't see it on BT sports 2
BT sports 2 is currently showing highlights of the stage that was live this afternoon.
I Think, now im confussed
Steve

[Eli]

lol, yes i am disappointed they are not streaming the night time stage...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

SS11 IS LIVE NOW EVERYWHERE ! :p

[Eli]

SS11 IS LIVE NOW EVERYWHERE ! :p
if you could give a link of live streaming it would be very nice:)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Meeke up on Ogier 1st split !

EDIT: and 2nd split. :)

[Astro83]

Go Meeke!!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

JML going fastest though.

[Eli]

does anybody know where their is live streaming for SS 11????

[er88]

Ostberg out????? no split at 4 but time for ogier

edit** shown up now all ok

[Eli]

no, ostberg safely thorugh
yes best of luck for him and the rest of the crews for tommorw

[WUff1]

Meeke a lot faster than Bouffier - will be interesting tomorrow.

[Astro83]

So nice to hear Meeke and Nagle! So calm and seems to have control! Seems like a diffrent Meeke! :P :D

[stefanvv]

Bouffier had pace notes problem? I didn't quite hear it

[Mihai]

Evans must be the quiet rising star of the rally.

Too bad Bouffier is fading away on SS11.

[Bartek]

Bryan with Delecour pacenotes? :)

[er88]

So nice to hear Meeke and Nagle! So calm and seems to have control! Seems like a diffrent Meeke! :P :D

Very true. Meeke hunting down Bouffier now, go on kris :bounce:

[Astro83]

Bouffier had pace notes problem? I didn't quite hear it

I heard something like "-missed the stage at recce" (?!?)

[jparker]

Boffuier drove without pace-notes, but didn't understand why?

[Astro83]

Hear from you tomorrow guys!! :) Will be a great day with 2 live stages! :)

[Eli]

Meeke a lot faster than Bouffier - will be interesting tomorrow.
will be very intresting tommorow, looking forward to the Cole de-Turini:)

[stefanvv]

Bouffier had pace notes problem? I didn't quite hear it

I heard something like "-missed the stage at recce" (?!?)
Aha, ok, thanks. And borrowed Delcour's :)

[Mihai]

Bouffier is doing a 'blind' rally stage ? Some of you on the ERC forum were pointing out the benefits of fast driving based on eye-sight alone. :laugh:

[mousti]

56 year old Marc Duez drives top 20 times with a Porsche 911 GT3 with lots of HP on the rear wheels in those conditions... :colour:

Still a great driver!