Rally RACC España Catalunya

[Francis44]

Sordo stopped. Atleast he was trying, nothing to loose and no chance for Citroen to win manufacteurs.

And Ogier going for it.

[Astro83]

Sordo stopped...what a bit of rotten luck(or whatever)...


This sucks big time!!! :( :( :(

[jonkka]

Damn....

[Francis44]

And Latvala's polo on fire.

Edit: Problem solved by marshals.

[Kalm]

"Tomorrow I go out with a sandwich and a bottle of water. Bin it or win it. If I crash, I have a picnic"

I"ll just hope Dani didnt forget his sandwich.. :(

[N.O.T]

Ogier will win the rally... amazing attack.

[skarderud]

Neuville?

Edit: just slow splits.

[Eli]

god damn it Sordo,so anoyying..now ogier is going to win for sure, latvala 2nd and neuville amazingly 3rd...

[Eli]

oops my mistake hirvonen 3rd..

[jonkka]

and neuville amazingly 3rd...

For the moment Mikko is 3rd.

[dimviii]

?gier will be leading when he finish the stage..Lets see if they battle at last stage.

[N.O.T]

Latvala is losing time over Osteberg and Hirvonen... maybe he has orders to finish the rally with no risks...or he is just too bad at opening the road with no braking points to follow.

[jonkka]

Even I was doubtful whether 46 sec deficit is too much but Ogi takes lead with long stage to go. Amazing but not fun.

[Rallyper]

This sucks so muuucchh!! How on Earth did this happen. We´ve just had a Seb a now Another man destroying all the exciting game.
Don´t blame on the other drivers. You´ll never find a bunch of boys in the class of Ogier no matter how much we search. Give him the WDC gold for five years on and let him drive something else so the excitement comes back in WRC!!

[dimviii]

Even I was doubtful whether 46 sec deficit is too much but Ogi takes lead with long stage to go. Amazing but not fun.

unfortunately only Loeb could open the road and win.Some years this scenario.

[dimviii]

This sucks so muuucchh!! How on Earth did this happen. We´ve just had a Seb a now Another man destroying all the exciting game.
Don´t blame on the other drivers. You´ll never find a bunch of boys in the class of Ogier no matter how much we search. Give him the WDC gold for five years on and let him drive something else so the excitement comes back in WRC!!

is not Ogiers fault Per.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

So even when he makes a mistake and punctures the rest still cant beat Ogier... :rolleyes:

[Rallyper]

This sucks so muuucchh!! How on Earth did this happen. We´ve just had a Seb a now Another man destroying all the exciting game.
Don´t blame on the other drivers. You´ll never find a bunch of boys in the class of Ogier no matter how much we search. Give him the WDC gold for five years on and let him drive something else so the excitement comes back in WRC!!

is not Ogiers fault Per.

I never said that. Only he´s killing the game no matter what.
I´ve followed WRC since yhe 70´s and it have never been so boring and predictable like it is now... :(

[A FONDO]

http://hostthenpost.org/uploads/b08b6d0701f7bd0e724a4dbcd87a4940.gif



You mean Ogier can't take 0,33 sec per km from leader when he's five positions behind in running order?
from Latvala and Neuville? not so sure.Depents how good he feels,and how good they feel with setup Latvala and Neuville.
its possible,but not easy.Lets see the dfference at the end of Saturday,maybe is not 46 sec but more.
http://images.absolutepunk.net/images/smilies/Standard/clown.gif


By driving Ogier cannot take 40 seconds against latvala on gravel... so other things have to come into play to win.
http://hostthenpost.org/uploads/712241d58ac718bc92ffbaf495d13641.gif


seems that Latvala controls Ogier quite easily...if he opens the roads tomorrow for around 70kms (although one stage has also tarmac in) i think he can take the win if no mistakes.

http://hostthenpost.org/uploads/820950684d5f5147c1ccd6224ed76558.gif

[dimviii]

take your pills asap.

[Francis44]

It's very impressive the level of speed Ogier shows already in this time of his career, I dont think anyone in this sport progressed that fast.

[Mirek]

I have to admit I didn't think it's possible for Ogier to take the 46 seconds back he managed to do so. Impressive, very impressive.

Does anyone know what exactly happened to Sordo?

[stefanvv]

Pitty for Sordo at his home Rally, but congratulations to VW and their Manu title!

[Mirek]

Wiegand out, broken gearbox.

[stefanvv]

I have to admit I didn't think it's possible for Ogier to take the 46 seconds back he managed to do so. Impressive, very impressive.
It is impressive indeed, I thought he can overtake Sordo, but Latvala is not on his pace as it seems.

[dimviii]

I have to admit I didn't think it's possible for Ogier to take the 46 seconds back he managed to do so. Impressive, very impressive.

Does anyone know what exactly happened to Sordo?
the only questionmark wasn t how fast would be Ogier with clean road and 135 stage kms ,but how much will loose Latvala opening the road,if you get what i meant. ;)

From Citroen twitter they said front broken suspension.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Julian Porter ?@The_Rally_Guru

It's taken Ogier 8 stages & approximately 170 kms to regain the 1 min & lead he lost yesterday !

[dimviii]

It's very impressive the level of speed Ogier shows already in this time of his career, I dont think anyone in this sport progressed that fast.

except Loeb,who won for years starting 1st and sweeping all gravel rallies.Not with clean road against non champion drivers,or drivers with not a single win. ;)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Photos of day 3 gravel: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bestofrallylive/

[dimviii]

Ogier 6,4 sec faster at 2nd split.

[arko5]

No 4th split for Latvala??

[danon]

he jumped over to the last one

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Bit of a shame for JML that he couldnt take advantage of Sordo's problem and get a win... but Ogier wouldnt have any sentiment and takes the victory yet again... :rolleyes:

[Rallyper]

Bit of a shame for JML that he couldnt take advantage of Sordo's problem and get a win... but Ogier wouldnt have any sentiment and takes the victory yet again... :rolleyes:

Maybe he wasn´t allowed?

[dimviii]

congrats to Ogier -Ingrassia for a well deserved win.
Pitty that the competition is so low that even with mistake can win easily with half minute difference.

[dimviii]

Bit of a shame for JML that he couldnt take advantage of Sordo's problem and get a win... but Ogier wouldnt have any sentiment and takes the victory yet again... :rolleyes:

Maybe he wasn´t allowed?
Latvala was 7 sec faster at 2nd pass of the stage,so thats not the case.

[dimviii]

about Kubica,at gravel he needs a LOT of work even for rrc.Not ready for wrc yet.

[arko5]

we will see in three weeks

[Puyan]

Damn, give ogier the two wins loeb got at MC and argentina, and you realise its a 10 wins out of 12 this year. Brutal...

[A FONDO]

So Neuville is now 16 points in front of JML. If JML wins the rally, Thierry must finish at least 4th on the tricky mud.

[N.O.T]

Team orders for safe finish at the end...pity.

Nevertheless impressive attack by Ogier... well done !!!!

[bluuford]

Mikkelsen retired

[N.O.T]

Even I was doubtful whether 46 sec deficit is too much but Ogi takes lead with long stage to go. Amazing but not fun.

unfortunately only Loeb could open the road and win.Some years this scenario.

Ogier also won by opening in portugal in 2011 and i think in jordan after an epic fight with latvala...

There are very few special drivers who can do that.

Latvala was under orders to finish today... he cannot be that bad to lose that much time from Ostberg and Hirvonen who had nothing to fight for.

[Mirek]

congrats to Ogier -Ingrassia for a well deserved win.
Pitty that the competition is so low that even with mistake can win easily with half minute difference.

1,5 minutes in just one leg is brutal...

[dimviii]

congrats to Ogier -Ingrassia for a well deserved win.
Pitty that the competition is so low that even with mistake can win easily with half minute difference.

1,5 minutes in just one leg is brutal...

yes it is,but thats it!! we have to use to. ;)

[A FONDO]

I know there are TC's unchecked yet but must pay RESPECT to Ogier for playing fair and not slowing down for his teammate. Also respect to VW and/or JM in case they didn't even ask him for that. Remember the recent past, when Citroen and Ford were at their place, they made fans hate the sport with their parodies.

[dimviii]

I know there are TC's unchecked yet but must pay RESPECT to Ogier for playing fair and not slowing down for his teammate. Also respect to VW and/or JM in case they didn't even ask him for that. Remember the recent past, when Citroen and Ford were at their place, they made fans hate the sport with their parodies.

get your pills asap i said .

[pantealex]

So Neuville is now 16 points in front of JML. If JML wins the rally, Thierry must finish at least 4th on the tricky mud.

I count 14p difference 158-144
and don´t forget powerstage points in Wales, so maximum is 28p

[tfp]

Well done to Ogier, and more so to JML, VW will be very happy with this result! Shame about Mikkelsen.

[danon]

Money >VW< rules the world.

Contracts, contracts, contracts...

How long it takes for JM to get pissed off.

How conveniently a proper problem pops up at exactly the right time but small enough to get him to the finish line.

Promises, promises, promises...

Orders, orders, orders...

Fans, fans, fans...

€ , € , € ...

[A FONDO]

So Neuville is now 16 points in front of JML. If JML wins the rally, Thierry must finish at least 4th on the tricky mud.

I count 14p difference 158-144
and don´t forget powerstage points in Wales, so maximum is 28p
Yes you are right, thanks for correcting. Is it known what kind of stage will be the Power one? Proper long, proper short, Disneyland?

[N.O.T]

So Neuville is now 16 points in front of JML. If JML wins the rally, Thierry must finish at least 4th on the tricky mud.

I count 14p difference 158-144
and don´t forget powerstage points in Wales, so maximum is 28p
Yes you are right, thanks for correcting. Is it known what kind of stage will be the Power one? Proper long, proper short, Disneyland?

new rules this year say the power stage must be at least 11 kms or something like that.

[A FONDO]

new rules this year say the power stage must be at least 11 kms or something like that.
I don't know for such rule. When it was introduced? After Alsace?

===============
Plenty of critics to Paddon this morning, but noone has yet mentioned his improvement in the second passes. I think his performance was not bad (not impressive either), considering he said he will be just learning.

[N.O.T]

new rules this year say the power stage must be at least 11 kms or something like that.
I don't know for such rule. When it was introduced? After Alsace?

===============
Plenty of critics to Paddon this morning, but noone has yet mentioned his improvement in the second passes. I think his performance was not bad (not impressive either), considering he said he will be just learning.

http://en.best-of-rallylive.com/News/Po ... ay-in-2013 (http://en.best-of-rallylive.com/News/Power-Stages-to-stay-in-2013)

[Francis44]

So VW already manufacteur champions?!

Congratulations, very professional team.

[N.O.T]

So VW already manufacteur champions?!

Congratulations, very professional team.

yes thats why Latvala was told to just finish.

[dimviii]

So VW already manufacteur champions?!

Congratulations, very professional team.

yes thats why Latvala was told to just finish.

even if this is true,thas not make them unprofessional.

[N.O.T]

So VW already manufacteur champions?!

Congratulations, very professional team.

yes thats why Latvala was told to just finish.

even if this is true,thas not make them unprofessional.

on the contrary, it makes them very professional. Every manufacturer would do it.

[Ucci]

What a great day!! And what a demonstration of one Superman-Ogier!! He has completely humiliated his opponents, after this epic battle they really look like a bunch of fools....I think after this rally it will be much easier for Matton to get rid of Sordo & Hirvonen....It is still a question, who to hire instead of those two ''snails'', there is not much to choose from (if the main target is Ogier).
Second who showed mature driving-Paddon. He did what was told to him : gain experience, drive to the finish. Do not make same mistakes as Meeke....
And again-Robert Kubica !! He destroyed his WRC2 competition on tarmac, drove a relaxed third day and won a championship !! My god, who would think something like this 12 months or even two years ago, after his horror accident??? Nobody. Do not forget, man is still on a way to recovery! And already a champion....Well, the reward is following in a form of a real WRC car.

[stefanvv]

Plenty of critics to Paddon this morning, but noone has yet mentioned his improvement in the second passes. I think his performance was not bad (not impressive either), considering he said he will be just learning.
Yes, he had improved in the afternoon a lot and showed similar pace as previous day on asphalt. I guess this was his "game". Learn as much as possible in short term.

[Mirek]

And again-Robert Kubica !! He destroyed his WRC2 competition on tarmac, drove a relaxed third day and won a championship !! My god, who would think something like this 12 months or even two years ago, after his horror accident??? Nobody. Do not forget, man is still on a way to recovery! And already a champion....Well, the reward is following in a form of a real WRC car.

Kubica showed his pace already before this season and knowing the level of his opponents in WRC2 it was clear already before start that the only one who could defeat him was himself. The true challenge will start next year in Monte Carlo.

[Doon]

What a great day!! And what a demonstration of one Superman-Ogier!! He has completely humiliated his opponents, after this epic battle they really look like a bunch of fools....I think after this rally it will be much easier for Matton to get rid of Sordo & Hirvonen....It is still a question, who to hire instead of those two ''snails'', there is not much to choose from (if the main target is Ogier).
Second who showed mature driving-Paddon. He did what was told to him : gain experience, drive to the finish. Do not make same mistakes as Meeke....
And again-Robert Kubica !! He destroyed his WRC2 competition on tarmac, drove a relaxed third day and won a championship !! My god, who would think something like this 12 months or even two years ago, after his horror accident??? Nobody. Do not forget, man is still on a way to recovery! And already a champion....Well, the reward is following in a form of a real WRC car.

Paddon also showed us that he is no where near as quick as Meeke. I thought Paddon would try to show more speed than he did, however I never rated him anyway.

[faateris]

Ogier is fantastic fast, but.....
This rally is signal, that we now can tell, He will win 5-10 title's(if not happen's someting). Rally's will be interesting only from 2nd place.
Paddon - PR is better then his speed.
What happen with Ostberg? :(
Novikov, I think, have order's, no destroyed car's this year....
I realy hope that Neuvile will stay in Ford for next Year.
Shame for JML, he in VW will always be nr.2 :((((( (funny, but his car have mistic problem's when Ogier must win...)
2014' could be better with driver's like Meeke, Hanninen, Kubica, Tanak, Ketomaa.......

[A FONDO]

the TRUE master http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Respect/number-one-043.gif

http://www.cams.com.au/media/221971/WRCRApodium_2_300x450.jpg

[Puyan]

You should try video games forums or soccer forum Slowson, you would be like a fish in water.

[Rallyper]

What a great day!! And what a demonstration of one Superman-Ogier!! He has completely humiliated his opponents, after this epic battle they really look like a bunch of fools....I think after this rally it will be much easier for Matton to get rid of Sordo & Hirvonen....It is still a question, who to hire instead of those two ''snails'', there is not much to choose from (if the main target is Ogier).
Second who showed mature driving-Paddon. He did what was told to him : gain experience, drive to the finish. Do not make same mistakes as Meeke....
And again-Robert Kubica !! He destroyed his WRC2 competition on tarmac, drove a relaxed third day and won a championship !! My god, who would think something like this 12 months or even two years ago, after his horror accident??? Nobody. Do not forget, man is still on a way to recovery! And already a champion....Well, the reward is following in a form of a real WRC car.

Yes, Ogier is at the moment "Superman". The others: a bunch of fools, snails?? Cmon!

And what should Matton choose? Refuse the man on the podium this weekend? Who else will have that speed. The schoolboys need to be educated first.

That is very important to have in mind, Before raising the guys competing to the skies, one or two races a year for practise and thinking they will compete about 2nd?

Even TN showed he has not consistency over several rallies. So the situation is like it is and to me very boring.

Let´s wait and see what we think next year around this time...

The boys in 2nd - 7-8th places will continue to challenge next year. The others (schoolboys) have to wait Another year or so...

[noel157]

The boys in 2nd - 7-8th places will continue to challenge next year. The others (schoolboys) have to wait Another year or so...

Continue to challenge? Other than Neuville (and possibly Latvala) who has been challenging?

[Barreis]

VW has much better car at the moment then oposition...

[RobertS]

the TRUE master http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Respect/number-one-043.gif

http://www.cams.com.au/media/221971/WRCRApodium_2_300x450.jpg
Trimester??? :confused:
Is (s)he pregnant?

sorry :D

[Jafry]

Photos from last day and podium HERE: http://www.rally-mania.cz/photogallery.php?id=1211

[stefanvv]

Photos from last day and podium HERE: http://www.rally-mania.cz/photogallery.php?id=1211
Where I can get Capitto's t-shirt?

[Formaldehyde]

Is it my impression or the daily highlights of this rally were not broadcasted in any TV station? If I learned anything after all these years of Internet, is that if something airs on TV it will available online as a torrent shortly after. And now, contrary to every single other WRC event, I can't seem to find the rally Spain daily highlights anywhere. All I can find is a preview programme.

Zero interest by TV stations or relapse torrenting groups?

[GINE]

I was expecting better performance from neuville, mikko and paddon.
Seems that vw has an upper hand in car's performance. Congrats to Kubica and lets hope he can fullfill his
dream and go back in single seater. ( allthough i would live to see him in a wrc official team)

[A FONDO]

Seems that vw has an upper hand in car's performance
I think it will be a good idea to start a new discussion in a few days, when we exhaust the videos and photogalleries from Spain, about only the tehnical differences among the present WRC cars:

What possible differences can teams make, when turbos, brakes, dampers and some parts of engines and transmissions are supplied from external companies?
Build and improve their own aerodynamics, peripherials, engine maps, suspension/differential setups...
Are they more likely assemblers than "manufacturers"?

[stefanvv]

Seems that vw has an upper hand in car's performance
I think it will be a good idea to start a new discussion in a few days, when we exhaust the videos and photogalleries from Spain, about only the tehnical differences among the present WRC cars:

What possible differences can teams make, when turbos, brakes, dampers and some parts of engines and transmissions are supplied from external companies?
Build and improve their own aerodynamics, peripherials, engine maps, suspension/differential setups...
Are they more likely assemblers than "manufacturers"?
I read somewhere VW has many parts manufactured for Polo especially, I'm not sure about the number, but it was big number.

[DonJippo]

yes thats why Latvala was told to just finish.

Can be but JML had also problems with the front differential lock on last three stages.

http://www.mtv3.fi/urheilu/ralli/uutiset.shtml/2013/10/1824509/latvalan-voitto-kaatui-tekniikkamurheisiin

[stefanvv]

VW Motorsport site states there were no team orders for the win.

[Rallyper]

Teamorders or not. Something made JML loose so much more than usually under that circumstances. Maybe front diff or just the unspoken pressure from Capito?

[Barreis]

Maybe it's Ogier who's quicker...

[Mirek]

Teamorders or not. Something made JML loose so much more than usually under that circumstances. Maybe front diff or just the unspoken pressure from Capito?

Please don't start this again. We had it on the table for years with Sordo...

There was no reason for team orders pushing Ogier ahead. It's JML who needs points to catch Neuville in the overall standings. Ogier is already champion and for manufacturer title it doesn't matter who of them is first and who is second.

[danon]

for the history records everything matters

[dimviii]

Seems that vw has an upper hand in car's performance.

explain please.

[danon]

Volkswagen agrees to freeze development of WRC car -> http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/108137

money talks -> http://b-i.forbesimg.com/joannmuller/fi ... 050613.jpg (http://b-i.forbesimg.com/joannmuller/files/2013/04/Forbes_cover050613.jpg)

[N.O.T]

Teamorders or not. Something made JML loose so much more than usually under that circumstances. Maybe front diff or just the unspoken pressure from Capito?

Please don't start this again. We had it on the table for years with Sordo...

There was no reason for team orders pushing Ogier ahead. It's JML who needs points to catch Neuville in the overall standings. Ogier is already champion and for manufacturer title it doesn't matter who of them is first and who is second.

they did not issue orders for Ogier to win, they just told Latvala that winning the manufacturers championship is more important than him winning the event, his 2nd loop times indicate that. That doesn't take anything away from Ogiers win, it was just a bit dissapointing that Latvala did not fight for the win.

[danon]

Teamorders or not. Something made JML loose so much more than usually under that circumstances. Maybe front diff or just the unspoken pressure from Capito?

Please don't start this again. We had it on the table for years with Sordo...

There was no reason for team orders pushing Ogier ahead. It's JML who needs points to catch Neuville in the overall standings. Ogier is already champion and for manufacturer title it doesn't matter who of them is first and who is second.
One thing is to become a champ.

Another is to get the manu title signed to your account, too, at the VW debuet in the very first WRC year.

At the end of the day the statistic is all that counts and makes one "great".

[kober]

they just told Latvala that winning the manufacturers championship is more important than him winning the event, his 2nd loop times indicate that
VW clinched the title at the moment of Sordo's retirement. They had 80-point advantage before the rally, so even a double non-finish from VW and a win for Hirvonen wouldn't brought the difference to less than 48 points (i.e. max for a rally).

[jonkka]

less than 48 points (i.e. max for a rally).

Maximum score for manufacturer is 25 + 18 = 43.

[EightGear]

less than 48 points (i.e. max for a rally).

Maximum score for manufacturer is 25 + 18 = 43.

+3 +2 for power stage points. ;)

[jonkka]

less than 48 points (i.e. max for a rally).

Maximum score for manufacturer is 25 + 18 = 43.

+3 +2 for power stage points. ;)

Power stage points are for drivers only.

[dimviii]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OHD-AFbZDg

[dimviii]

video with Sordos incar when broke suspension
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vnae0BhlMSk

[dimviii]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GyQPhNdn5kA

[dimviii]

same roll at same corner
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJqP-zUXaLk

[dimviii]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyTyJ9_jKFE

[leighton323]

Watching these videos the Ford's seem to understeer quite a lot in relation to the other WRC cars. Not an armchair critic, just an observation.

[Ucci]

And again-Robert Kubica !! He destroyed his WRC2 competition on tarmac, drove a relaxed third day and won a championship !! My god, who would think something like this 12 months or even two years ago, after his horror accident??? Nobody. Do not forget, man is still on a way to recovery! And already a champion....Well, the reward is following in a form of a real WRC car.

Kubica showed his pace already before this season and knowing the level of his opponents in WRC2 it was clear already before start that the only one who could defeat him was himself. The true challenge will start next year in Monte Carlo.

I see that someone on this forum still did not realize, in what kind of condition Robert is (how limited is movement of his right arm).
Yes, Robert showed extraordinary speed on tarmac, but the gravel was (and partially still is....) a completely unknown territory for Polish driver.

[makinen_fan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1S_XZMSIOQ

[Ucci]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1S_XZMSIOQ

Dear Dani Sordo, your boss Matton will kick your ass out of the team the same way as you did it to your DS3...

[Jordib]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1S_XZMSIOQ

Dear Dani Sordo, your boss Matton will kick your ass out of the team the same way as you did it to your DS3...

There was hundreds of cuts like that in this rally without any kind of broken parts, it was a question of bad luck mainly. If he goes out of Citroen will be for other reasons, not for this rally. We will see, but most of the other options for Citroen are less reliable.

[wurc]

next year I was thinking about going to Spain, I watched few videos and there are couple of nice places for watching, for instance let's take this one,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syfOCx_eSrc
where is that roundabout at the beginning ?

I found a nice website with detailed special stage routes
http://www.rally-maps.com/home

maybe you know any spanish wrc forum where I could as for that ? :)

[chosse_1]

Really good rally for Ogier. Sordo must do it after crash!

[faateris]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/110956 :)

[chosse_1]

This is our video of the rally!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tracvVopKH4#t=56

[dimviii]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/110956 :)
lol

[dimviii]

This is our video of the rally!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tracvVopKH4#t=56

some nice spots mate,thanks!

[makinen_fan]

This is our video of the rally!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tracvVopKH4#t=56

Great video! thx

[bunnings]

http://i.imgur.com/aOWZQII.jpg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmRc9IvE-Fc&feature=c4-overview&list=UU6S124tILbXupeFicZs56RQ)

[dimviii]

thanks bunnings!! excellent video! :bounce:

[bluuford]

Nasser crash: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yM9iq75 ... ata_player (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yM9iq75F9yk&feature=youtube_gdata_player)

[cevennol]

I all, i chearch all photo or video of number 131 Peugeot 206
Thanks

Chris

[makinen_fan]

Sordo's retirement from another angle
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ly9nyIRaiKs

[kober]

Sordo's retirement from another angle
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ly9nyIRaiKs
Bad luck. Latvala's line was practically the same.

[A FONDO]

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10151763911230678

[bluuford]

Someone asked if Elfyn retired due to mechanical or driver error. It was slight driver error. Cut too much and broke the wheel:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbEXb7up9Ns

[makinen_fan]

Full highlights are on wrc.com from today
http://www.wrc.com/video/

[rage82]

I've tried to make little comparison between Jarkko Nikara and Hayden Paddon as Spain was their first event in a WRC car. On gravel stages in 2012 Jarkko was 1.29 s/km slower and I'm excluding the Terra Alta 2 stage where Jarkko lost 6 min. because of a puncture and a problem changing the wheel in the heavy mud. These year Paddon was 1.63 s/km slower than Ogier, he went through all the stages without any problem afaik. On tarmac Nikara was 2.31 s/km slower than Seb Loeb and Hayden was 0.86 s/km behind the fastest driver so on tarmac Paddon was faster in his first rally in a Wrc spec. car.
Of course Hayden has much more international experience than Jarkko and he has driven in Spain 2011 with the Subaru gr. N car and Spain 2012 with Fabia s2000 so he has great knowledge of the stages and experience with a car similar to WRC spec. Also MIni WRC isn't on same level as Fiesta because of the problems between Prodrive and BMW.
I don't want to say who was doing better in his first rally with WRC car it was just interesting for me to take a closer look at their results. Hope that we will see both in WRC cars next year as the championchip needs some new young guns.!

[gorganl2000]

I'll admit that I've only begun to followed Paddon closely over the recent past, so i can't comment much about his rallying past. However, i believe that he drove a sensible 1st wrc rally. he was not fully comfortable and tried to improve the set up and performance as the rally progressed. To me that is a team/driver who has some intelligence/maturity at assessing a situation and working accordingly. It is better to gain some experience and finish the rally than to risk it all and bin it.

i always hear the top drivers talking about car set up and confidence affecting their performance, so in light of what Paddon said during the course of the rally, i think he did the right thing.

[kober]

Full highlights are on wrc.com from today
http://www.wrc.com/video/
52 minutes of video and there was place for Ogier, Latvala, Neuville, Sordo and Kubica only, if you don't count crash-shots of others. I guess, nobody else counts in nowadays' WRC.

[wojtek bulski]

My gallery from Catalunya :

http://rallyphotos.pl/rajdy-2013/rally-de-espana-rallyracc/

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[Bartek]

My gallery from Catalunya :

http://rallyphotos.pl/rajdy-2013/rally-de-espana-rallyracc/

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Very nice photos

[makinen_fan]

My gallery from Catalunya :

http://rallyphotos.pl/rajdy-2013/rally-de-espana-rallyracc/


Excellent pics!
Something I noticed, Mads was using different wheels (More similar to the ones used on the Focus WRC, which look a bit ridiculous IMO) on gravel than the usual wheel and different than any other Fiesta WRC/R5. Anyone known reason why? I can't believe they just run out of wheels :p

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[sollitt]

I've tried to make little comparison between Jarkko Nikara and Hayden Paddon as Spain was their first event in a WRC car. On gravel stages in 2012 Jarkko was 1.29 s/km slower and I'm excluding the Terra Alta 2 stage where Jarkko lost 6 min. because of a puncture and a problem changing the wheel in the heavy mud. These year Paddon was 1.63 s/km slower than Ogier, he went through all the stages without any problem afaik. On tarmac Nikara was 2.31 s/km slower than Seb Loeb and Hayden was 0.86 s/km behind the fastest driver so on tarmac Paddon was faster in his first rally in a Wrc spec. car.
Of course Hayden has much more international experience than Jarkko and he has driven in Spain 2011 with the Subaru gr. N car and Spain 2012 with Fabia s2000 so he has great knowledge of the stages and experience with a car similar to WRC spec. Also MIni WRC isn't on same level as Fiesta because of the problems between Prodrive and BMW.
I don't want to say who was doing better in his first rally with WRC car it was just interesting for me to take a closer look at their results. Hope that we will see both in WRC cars next year as the championchip needs some new young guns.!
rage, your comparison makes no account of the differences in road condition and starting order each faced in the gravel stages which would have delivered a significant advantage to Nikara. Also there is no consideration of the level of testing and preparation available to each prior to the event which as we know in Paddon's case was minimal.
I understand that the cornering and handling characteristics of the Skoda and the Fiesta are like chalk & cheese so I'm not sure your assessment of experience in a car "similar to WRC" is accurate.
Further the suggestion that the performance of the Mini was somehow hampered by the fallout between Prodrive & BMW would seem to be negated by the fact that on the event in question Sordo was able to pull off 6 stage wins.
Comparisons such as this are always difficult. Making interesting reading but also of no scientific value might be a comparison to the finish results of other drivers on their WRC event/WRC car debuts.
Sordo 8th, Solberg 11th, Ostberg 31st, Ogier 26th (2 stage wins), Latvala 16th, Hirvonen accident & 11th on second outing, Atkinson 19th.
Perhaps in the grand scheme of things, and all factors considered, on a one off event on which your whole future may hinge, a conservative drive to 8th place might actually have been a pretty good result. If the scuttlebutt I'm reading and hearing is correct, that would seem to be the view of those people whose opinion actually matters.

[Langdale Forest]

On the roundabout on the opening day, what penalty would be given if a driver did not go round 2 times or went round the wrong way?

[N.O.T]

On the roundabout on the opening day, what penalty would be given if a driver did not go round 2 times or went round the wrong way?

exclusion if he drove the opposite way and probably a big time penalty if he did not go around the two times.

[N.O.T]

ok maybe a penalty both times it would be harsh to consider going around the roundabout the wrong way as driving the special astage the wrong way...

[A FONDO]

On the roundabout on the opening day, what penalty would be given if a driver did not go round 2 times or went round the wrong way?
depends on the driver. some do not get penalised whatsoever http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12_E5yRw7fM

[N.O.T]

was there something that indicated that the drivers should go the long way around ???

[makinen_fan]

Nasser's crash:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBPFigzH ... e=youtu.be (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBPFigzHSLo&feature=youtu.be)

[rage82]

I've tried to make little comparison between Jarkko Nikara and Hayden Paddon as Spain was their first event in a WRC car. On gravel stages in 2012 Jarkko was 1.29 s/km slower and I'm excluding the Terra Alta 2 stage where Jarkko lost 6 min. because of a puncture and a problem changing the wheel in the heavy mud. These year Paddon was 1.63 s/km slower than Ogier, he went through all the stages without any problem afaik. On tarmac Nikara was 2.31 s/km slower than Seb Loeb and Hayden was 0.86 s/km behind the fastest driver so on tarmac Paddon was faster in his first rally in a Wrc spec. car.
Of course Hayden has much more international experience than Jarkko and he has driven in Spain 2011 with the Subaru gr. N car and Spain 2012 with Fabia s2000 so he has great knowledge of the stages and experience with a car similar to WRC spec. Also MIni WRC isn't on same level as Fiesta because of the problems between Prodrive and BMW.
I don't want to say who was doing better in his first rally with WRC car it was just interesting for me to take a closer look at their results. Hope that we will see both in WRC cars next year as the championchip needs some new young guns.!
rage, your comparison makes no account of the differences in road condition and starting order each faced in the gravel stages which would have delivered a significant advantage to Nikara. Also there is no consideration of the level of testing and preparation available to each prior to the event which as we know in Paddon's case was minimal.
I understand that the cornering and handling characteristics of the Skoda and the Fiesta are like chalk & cheese so I'm not sure your assessment of experience in a car "similar to WRC" is accurate.
Further the suggestion that the performance of the Mini was somehow hampered by the fallout between Prodrive & BMW would seem to be negated by the fact that on the event in question Sordo was able to pull off 6 stage wins.
Comparisons such as this are always difficult. Making interesting reading but also of no scientific value might be a comparison to the finish results of other drivers on their WRC event/WRC car debuts.
Sordo 8th, Solberg 11th, Ostberg 31st, Ogier 26th (2 stage wins), Latvala 16th, Hirvonen accident & 11th on second outing, Atkinson 19th.
Perhaps in the grand scheme of things, and all factors considered, on a one off event on which your whole future may hinge, a conservative drive to 8th place might actually have been a pretty good result. If the scuttlebutt I'm reading and hearing is correct, that would seem to be the view of those people whose opinion actually matters.
I think also that the 8-th place wasn't a bad result for his first event. But you are wrong about the road condition and starting order on gravel because in 2012 it was mud everywhere and Nikara was starting 3-rd - not the worst position in these conditions but not the best also. Hayden was 8-th and had clean gravel road of course some problems with the dust. Also in terms of testing it was almost the same for them, Jarkko has tested only at Prodrive’s private test track and not a single km on gravel, as Hayden tested only tarmac and has not a gravel test. That's why I think that there performance is quiet comparable.
And yes Danni has won 6 stages with the Mini but it was after his crash on first day, and on 2-nd and 3-rd days Loeb was only controlling his pace against Latvalla.

[sollitt]

It's not rocket science, rage. When the faster cars are starting behind in conditions which are deteriorating with each car, this will have the effect of narrowing the speed differences. When the faster cars are starting ahead in conditions which deteriorate with each car, this will have the effect of widening the speed difference. Simple stuff really.

But as I said earlier, these sorts of comparisons are very difficult and usually meaningless.

[Atob WRC]

With long delay, our video from the rally.

We expect you enjoy it!

BR!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=he0iLbhUvMM