Rally RACC España Catalunya

[dimviii]

Ogier 4 sec slower at split No5 from morning pass.

[dimviii]

seems nobody pushing.Even Mikko and Neuville almost equal after 20km stage.

[jonkka]

seems nobody pushing.Even Mikko and Neuville almost equal after 20km stage.

My feelings exactly.

[dimviii]

seems nobody pushing.Even Mikko and Neuville almost equal after 20km stage.

My feelings exactly.

congrats to FIA.

Ogier 10 sec slower from morning pass.

[dimviii]

23:36.1 "I do not have any one (splits) of Jari-Matti (Latvala). If I tell you one thing, you can believe me…"

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Sordo gives JML the lead by 0.1s ... now that's tactics ! :D

[T.Maanteiden kuningas]

:D Again Finn is leading tarmac rally!!! :D Just more hana.

[dimviii]

El Priorat 1 Neuville comments..

I'm pushing to the maximum ... nothing more I can do:.I do not know why we are losing time, I do not understand

time=23.35,9

El Priorat 2

Now it is not understeering. I really enjoyed now, the feeling is completely different. We just sorted out

time-23.37,0


......................... :colour: :D ;)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Neuville's performance here is worrying for Ford (M-Sport).

If he cant beat Sordo and JML he may be more inclined to jump to Hyundai ... :(

[Mintexmemory]

Neuville's performance here is worrying for Ford (M-Sport).

If he cant beat Sordo and JML he may be more inclined to jump to Hyundai ... :(

As I read it he's already decided to jump! Tyre conservation important before Colldejou 2

[thuGG]

What a stage from Kubica, only 0.83 s lost per km to Ogier.

[Mirek]

El Priorat 1 Neuville comments..

I'm pushing to the maximum ... nothing more I can do:.I do not know why we are losing time, I do not understand

time=23.35,9

El Priorat 2

Now it is not understeering. I really enjoyed now, the feeling is completely different. We just sorted out

time-23.37,0


......................... :colour: :D ;)

Slower times in second runs of asphalt events are not so special. There is usually much more dirt on the road than before.

[dimviii]

Slower times in second runs of asphalt events are not so special. There is usually much more dirt on the road than before.

Kubica 3 sec faster,and is not the only one.
imho nothing is right about Neuville is talking.Just the top ones dont pushing.We have seen the same story plenty of times.


edit
"We don't want to take any risk. Some how I have to use this mileage for training. We want to use this rally as a learning process." ;)

[A FONDO]

El Priorat 1 Neuville comments..

I'm pushing to the maximum ... nothing more I can do:.I do not know why we are losing time, I do not understand

time=23.35,9

El Priorat 2

Now it is not understeering. I really enjoyed now, the feeling is completely different. We just sorted out

time-23.37,0


......................... :colour: :D ;)
what is so strange to you? limiting understeer is at the expense of some other setting

[A FONDO]

Slower times in second runs of asphalt events are not so special. There is usually much more dirt on the road than before.

Kubica 3 sec faster,and is not the only one.
imho nothing is right about Neuville is talking.Just the top ones dont pushing.We have seen the same story plenty of times.
axx yes you will fall sick in bed if somehow Ogi climbs back to the top. start looking for fobia-pills.

[Mirek]

imho nothing is right about Neuville is talking.Just the top ones dont pushing.We have seen the same story plenty of times.

It doesn't make much sense as well. Ogier and Neuville have every reason to push. They are too far behind. They can keep their positions for tactic reasons but they don't need to be 30-50 seconds away. They can be 20 or so.

[makinen_fan]

So it turns out Sordo's tactics yesterday to drop behind JML helped him a lot. He is the only one able to do any tactics. There is no point for JML slowing down as Dani will react, and he will want to stay as much in front of Thierry and Seb. Let's see what happens!

[dimviii]

what is so strange to you? limiting understeer is at the expense of some other setting

nothing is strange.If you watch carefully everything has its explaination.

[dimviii]

axx yes you will fall sick in bed if somehow Ogi climbs back to the top. start looking for fobia-pills.
its clearly you haven t understant nothing from me.

[dimviii]

imho nothing is right about Neuville is talking.Just the top ones dont pushing.We have seen the same story plenty of times.

It doesn't make much sense as well. Ogier and Neuville have every reason to push. They are too far behind. They can keep their positions for tactic reasons but they don't need to be 30-50 seconds away. They can be 20 or so.

we will see.

[makinen_fan]

It doesn't make much sense as well. Ogier and Neuville have every reason to push. They are too far behind. They can keep their positions for tactic reasons but they don't need to be 30-50 seconds away. They can be 20 or so.

Probably that's their real pace, Seb was not as quick as yesterday this morning, and TN had his usual pace. Probably is the dirt in the road that explains the drop in time, or maybe reserve a bit the tyres for Power Stage? TN needs the points for championship.
Dani should not be bother about the extra points IMO.

[A FONDO]

axx yes you will fall sick in bed if somehow Ogi climbs back to the top. start looking for fobia-pills.
It's clearly you haven't understant nothing from me.
With such level of expression, it's not easy indeed. :(

[dimviii]

axx yes you will fall sick in bed if somehow Ogi climbs back to the top. start looking for fobia-pills.
It's clearly you haven't understant nothing from me.
With such level of expression, it's not easy indeed. :(

your level of IQ is the problem.
take your pills.Dont forget them.

[Mirek]

It doesn't make much sense as well. Ogier and Neuville have every reason to push. They are too far behind. They can keep their positions for tactic reasons but they don't need to be 30-50 seconds away. They can be 20 or so.

Probably that's their real pace, Seb was not as quick as yesterday this morning, and TN had his usual pace. Probably is the dirt in the road that explains the drop in time, or maybe reserve a bit the tyres for Power Stage? TN needs the points for championship.
Dani should not be bother about the extra points IMO.

That was my point. Dimitris was speaking about everybody cruising now but if that was true the two would come closer but that was not the case.

[focus206]

axx yes you will fall sick in bed if somehow Ogi climbs back to the top. start looking for fobia-pills.
It's clearly you haven't understant nothing from me.
With such level of expression, it's not easy indeed. :(
That's very childish. dimvii's English isn't perfect but very easy to understand...
About the rally, seems like Jari-Matti has a good opportunity to win this one... unless he acts like Jari-Matti :p

[dimviii]

not cruising,but not pushing 100% Mirek. ;)

[Mirek]

Guys, can You stop quoting Slowson? Thank You ;)

[N.O.T]

axx yes you will fall sick in bed if somehow Ogi climbs back to the top. start looking for fobia-pills.
It's clearly you haven't understant nothing from me.
With such level of expression, it's not easy indeed. :(

slowson when someones english is not their mother tongue you think such comments are necessary ??? If you have a feud with someone you should use more valid arguments... and from what i see you are not soothing your pain...let it go man..the unshaved one cannot hurt you anymore.

[N.O.T]

Guys, can You stop quoting Slowson? Thank You ;)

the solution mirek is not to put your head in the sand when someone annoys you. just ignore him... or not.

[N.O.T]

somehow i got my old account back... cool.

[Mirek]

the solution mirek is not to put your head in the sand when someone annoys you. just ignore him... or not.

I'm not good in ignoring people (I'm actually pretty bad in that). That's why I put some hopes in ignore list which is not working in quotes. That's all :smokin:

[A FONDO]

not cruising,but not pushing 100% Mirek. ;)
first you said Ogier will lose even more time today. then when you saw he was fastest on SS7 you said it is because others are cruising on purpose.
seems like you insured yourself with whatever outcome happens. that hatred is rotting you, man.

[Rallyper]

somehow i got my old account back... cool.

:)

[A FONDO]

somehow i got my old account back... cool.
nevermind, this remains in the logs:


By driving Ogier cannot take 40 seconds against latvala on gravel... so other things have to come into play to win.

[N.O.T]

somehow i got my old account back... cool.
nevermind, this remains in the logs:


By driving Ogier cannot take 40 seconds against latvala on gravel... so other things have to come into play to win.

by other things i do not mean team orders...mistakes or tactics though yes...

[N.O.T]

Next stage is the power stage so everyone will push.

[A FONDO]

[quote="N.O.T":1g9talfl]somehow i got my old account back... cool.
nevermind, this remains in the logs:


By driving Ogier cannot take 40 seconds against latvala on gravel... so other things have to come into play to win.

by other things i do not mean team orders...mistakes or tactics though yes...[/quote:1g9talfl]
I can not get fooled so easy. You simply left a backdoor for you.

[N.O.T]

I can not get fooled so easy. You simply left a backdoor for you.

LOOOOOOOOOOOOLz...

[jonkka]

Who let the kids in? :eek:

[Mintexmemory]

I can not get fooled so easy. You simply left a backdoor for you.

LOOOOOOOOOOOOLz...
Don't mind the robust debate but please stop using text speak - This is not a One Direction forum ;)

[EightGear]

Jesus guys stop this please.




The Mod likes this!!!

[HarriK]

Who let the kids in? :eek:
It wasn't me, it was the other guy!

[jonkka]

Neuville found his speed when PS points are at stake?

[N.O.T]

I can not get fooled so easy. You simply left a backdoor for you.

LOOOOOOOOOOOOLz...
Don't mind the robust debate but please stop using text speak - This is not a One Direction forum ;)

and you should do your job and warn members when they are being racist towards others for not speaking proper english.

[jonkka]

Ogier not holding back - 15 sec faster on final split comparing to first run...

[Mintexmemory]

Insulting yes - but racist no., possibly xenophobic. If Dim wishes to complain I'll take appropriate action. I'm sure he's mature enough not to require your intervention.

[jonkka]

Correction to myself - that was when he had puncture... blush...

[jonkka]

Now it's time to see if anyone plays tactics...

[jonkka]

JML didn't and will sweep tomorrow

[EightGear]

JML didn't and will sweep tomorrow

Sordo would have reacted. Not that Sordo has got any chance against JML tomorrow anyway...

[T.Maanteiden kuningas]

Great Latvala....flat out.

[N.O.T]

seems that Latvala controls Ogier quite easily...if he opens the roads tomorrow for around 70kms (although one stage has also tarmac in) i think he can take the win if no mistakes.

[jonkka]

Sordo would have reacted. Not that Sordo has got any chance against JML tomorrow anyway...

I might have considered dropping behind Ogier but maybe that would have been risky. We will see tomorrow how much if affects.

[N.O.T]

Sordo would have reacted. Not that Sordo has got any chance against JML tomorrow anyway...

I might have considered dropping behind Ogier but maybe that would have been risky. We will see tomorrow how much if affects.

45 seconds is too much of a lead to drop... it would be too risky.

[EightGear]

Novikov is doing very fine so far.

[makinen_fan]

TN might be a threat for the lead as well. Based on what George Donaldson was saying, 0.1s/km advantage per car, TN may have appox 25-28s advantage over JML.
The thing is who can adjust to gravel driving the quickest among the four of them.

[Mintexmemory]

Importantly TN has now extended his lead over JML to 20 points - Fascinating day tomorrow!

[Mirek]

TN might be a threat for the lead as well. Based on what George Donaldson was saying, 0.1s/km advantage per car, TN may have appox 25-28s advantage over JML.

How Donaldson came to a conclusion that Fiesta is 0,1 s/km faster than Polo on stages where Polo never run?

[jonkka]

How Donaldson came to a conclusion that Fiesta is 0,1 s/km faster than Polo on stages where Polo never run?

I think it's meant to mean that every passing car makes (gravel covered) stage 0,1 s per km faster for the next car - assuming equal performance by driver & car.

[NxOxT]

Neuville is not yet at the level to challenge Latvala/Ogier on gravel yet.

[Mirek]

I think it's meant to mean that every passing car makes (gravel covered) stage 0,1 s per km faster for the next car - assuming equal performance by driver & car.

Aha, sorry, I misunderstood.

[jonkka]

Neuville is not yet at the level to challenge Latvala/Ogier on gravel yet.

Like the new nick better?

[jonkka]

Nasser out?

[dimviii]

not cruising,but not pushing 100% Mirek. ;)
first you said Ogier will lose even more time today. then when you saw he was fastest on SS7 you said it is because others are cruising on purpose.
seems like you insured yourself with whatever outcome happens. that hatred is rotting you, man.

no i didn t said something like that.
Take your pills,wait about an hour,and read again.
If you understand again the same,increase the dosage and try again.

[N.O.T]

Neuville is not yet at the level to challenge Latvala/Ogier on gravel yet.

Like the new nick better?

no...but when i use chrome i have saved the password for NxOxT while when i use Firefox i have saved the password for N.O.T changed it now.

[bluuford]

Nasser out?
Nasser off the road, crew OK

[N.O.T]

Neuville is not yet at the level to challenge Latvala/Ogier on gravel yet.

Like the new nick better?

no.. but i have saved the password for NxOxT on chrome and for N.O.T on FF. changed it now.

[N.O.T]

not cruising,but not pushing 100% Mirek. ;)
first you said Ogier will lose even more time today. then when you saw he was fastest on SS7 you said it is because others are cruising on purpose.
seems like you insured yourself with whatever outcome happens. that hatred is rotting you, man.

no i didn t said something like that.
Take your pills,wait about an hour,and read again.
If you understand again the same,increase the dosage and try again.

Don't bother... the damage is done...it will take more than i thought for the pain to go away...so just have fun.

[A FONDO]

no i didn t said something like that.
Of course you will not confess. You have zero dignity. That's why you are fan of loeb.

[N.O.T]

no i didn t said something like that.
Of course you will not confess. You have zero dignity. That's why you are fan of loeb.

Quoting just for Mirek :):) LOL...

[dimviii]

a nice tactic for vw would be to slow down Latvala more and decoy Sordo more slower than now.At same time Ogier at pushing 100% the difference of 45 sec could be much less to 20-25 sec lets say, at 66km stages(ss 7-8)
Sordo couldn t react with something like this.If he didn t follow Latvala at slow down,he would be 1st on the road= :skull:
The only small problem would be that Neuville will be close to leader again,but dont think that this could be a problem for Ogier with better road position.
Just thinking loud.

[makinen_fan]

How Donaldson came to a conclusion that Fiesta is 0,1 s/km faster than Polo on stages where Polo never run?

I think it's meant to mean that every passing car makes (gravel covered) stage 0,1 s per km faster for the next car - assuming equal performance by driver & car.

Exactly that's what I meant, thanks jonkka

[dimviii]

no i didn t said something like that.
Of course you will not confess. You have zero dignity. That's why you are fan of loeb.

i ve told you that you have very low IQ.
lets see what i wrote

At next stages if Latvala dont push,Sordo will follow his splits and dont push too.In this case is not difficult for Ogier to climb back easy way till night.Lets see!




from Latvala and Neuville? not so sure.Depents how good he feels,and how good they feel with setup Latvala and Neuville.
its possible,but not easy.Lets see the dfference at the end of Saturday,maybe is not 46 sec but more.

now we can see who has zero dignity.

tell us how started your nightmares with Loeb.Was it from his first championship or later?

[dimviii]

new photos
http://www.flickr.com/photos/bestofrallylive/

[stefanvv]

Isn't there a risk of standing dust tomorrow?

[bluuford]

Isn't there a risk of standing dust tomorrow?
Wind is expected to turn at around midnight (during the turning it is calm) but it looks like it will be 2-3 m/s by the start of the stage and much more for the second stage. However, there is pretty difficult topography. Some sections might experence more calm conditions.

[bluuford]

Evans stopped..

[andyone]

Go Latvala'''. Sordo won't have much of an advantage against Latvala. Let's wait and see

Sent from my Quantum using Tapatalk 4

[NxOxT]

I think tomorrow it will be latvala-Ogier-Neuville-Sordo if only driving is involved.

[A FONDO]

I say Sordo > Ogier > Neuville

[Tom206wrc]

Evans stopped..

Accident or mechanical :confused:

[bluuford]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BXhBiaCIEAAQeS4.jpg:large

[dimviii]

http://en.best-of-rallylive.com/News/Vi ... -de-Espana (http://en.best-of-rallylive.com/News/Video-the-first-leg-of-Rally-de-Espana)

[stefanvv]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcaEY297Qt4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PMkaD1AlUo

[stefanvv]

I don't think Sordo will benefit of his "smart" tactics today. Even 1st on the road, Latvala will be much faster than him and he has to worry about Neuville and Ogier more tomorrow. But, we'll see.

[dimviii]

Nassers fiesta from Julian Porters twitter
Giovanni Bernardini said that was his biggest crash of his carrier.5th speed roll. :vader:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BXhiXv3CcAEUkR5.jpg:large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BXhh6h4CAAArFW2.jpg:large


photo from Colin Clark twitter
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BXhgUW7IYAAYeDg.jpg:large

[focus206]

Nassers fiesta from Julian Porters twitter
Giovanni Bernardini said that was his biggest crash of his carrier.5th speed roll. :vader:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BXhiXv3CcAEUkR5.jpg:large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BXhh6h4CAAArFW2.jpg:large


photo from Colin Clark twitter
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BXhgUW7IYAAYeDg.jpg:large
Bernacchini ;)
but wow looks like a big impact indeed...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Colin Clark ?@voiceofrally

Great line from Dani Sordo "Colin, tomorrow I go out with a sandwich and a bottle of water. Bin it or win it. If I crash, I have a picnic"... :D

[dimviii]

Bernacchini ;)
.

thanks mate ;) but cant edit it.

[dimviii]

finally exists somebody who has lost more beers from me :p
http://www.maxrally.com/2013/10/26/the- ... on-ostberg (http://www.maxrally.com/2013/10/26/the-beers-are-on-ostberg)

[dimviii]

fiestas gravel setup
https://scontent-a-cdg.xx.fbcdn.net/hph ... 8325_n.jpg (https://scontent-a-cdg.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/q77/998298_316738985132474_873348325_n.jpg)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Who said no-one is pushing ? ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXLZ_BDO2s0

[noel157]

Leg 2 B of RL :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PMkaD1AlUo

[dimviii]

:skull: :skull: :skull:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXLZ_BDO2s0

:skull: :skull: :skull:

edit Fast Eddie was faster :D

[litifeta]

The tactics of starting behind (apart from gravel sweeping) is to test their mettle. Some drivers are ok until the pressure starts to mount. And then they make silly mistakes.

I guess we have seen JML and many others fail in the past because of this.

There are disadvantages with this tactic as well. It means you are constantly looking at the splits yourself and getting distracted instead of driving to your own potential.

[danon]

seems that Latvala controls Ogier quite easily...
The one and only in control is VW.
The rest follow orders.

[bunnings]

http://i.imgur.com/97tUjn5.jpg?1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXLZ_BDO2s0)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXLZ_BDO2s0

[danon]

Colin Clark ?@voiceofrally

Great line from Dani Sordo "Colin, tomorrow I go out with a sandwich and a bottle of water. Bin it or win it. If I crash, I have a picnic"... :D
El Matador has the balls to take the bull by the horns.

That's what I call a warrior.

[dimviii]

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x16gzq ... -2013_auto (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x16gzq6_terre-en-vue-pour-dani-sordo-au-rallye-d-espagne-citroen-wrc-2013_auto)

[Mintexmemory]

Colin Clark ?@voiceofrally

Great line from Dani Sordo "Colin, tomorrow I go out with a sandwich and a bottle of water. Bin it or win it. If I crash, I have a picnic"... :D
El Matador has the balls to take the bull by the horns.

That's what I call a warrior.
That's what I call someone setting the scene for heroic failure!

[danon]

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x16gzq6_terre-en-vue-pour-dani-sordo-au-rallye-d-espagne-citroen-wrc-2013_auto
first vid watched twice

[danon]

That's what I call someone setting the scene for heroic failure!

only in your blurred by trappist beer eyes :laugh:

[dimviii]

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x16gzq6_terre-en-vue-pour-dani-sordo-au-rallye-d-espagne-citroen-wrc-2013_auto
first vid watched twice

the bunnings one at previous posts is better imho.Nevertheless is a good video too Citroen one.

[danon]

my guts feeling says so... I have nothing to do with it

[dimviii]

Ogiers cut,and Tidemands incar crash
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvS9yhsXPpc#t=116

[danon]

the match-mix between footage and music in a vid is what creates the magic

here's an example of one of the best gays (Antti Kalhola) in the business -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBITgght8uo

[litifeta]

the best gays (Antti Kalhola) in the business

little typo, little giggle.

[danon]

the best gays (Antti Kalhola) in the business

little typo, little giggle.
Good point, my bad... guys* :D

[Jafry]

Photos from Saturday HERE: http://www.rally-mania.cz/photogallery.php?id=1211

[jonkka]

fiestas gravel setup
https://scontent-a-cdg.xx.fbcdn.net/hph ... 8325_n.jpg (https://scontent-a-cdg.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/q77/998298_316738985132474_873348325_n.jpg)

I wonder why they lay out the parts on the car's spot - they gotta remove those before car can come in? Just for inventory purposes?

[Astro83]

come on Dani!! :pimp:

This will be intresting!

[jonkka]

Soon we will see how much quicker Ogi will be.

[Astro83]

ss10 is live :P

[jonkka]

Sordo's first split will be... red?

[Astro83]

Green! ;)

[litifeta]

Really want to see Neuville get his first win. Not sure if it is possible though. Would be great to see that, and then Mikko win in GB. That would be 6 different winners in the same season.

[T.Maanteiden kuningas]

Hanaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Jari-Matti!!!

[jonkka]

Really want to see Neuville get his first win. Not sure if it is possible though. Would be great to see that, and then Mikko win in GB. That would be 6 different winners in the same season.

Hasn't happened since 2003

[Astro83]

aah shit! but Latvala is fast :)

[jonkka]

Thierry's first split will be... green?

[Astro83]

Red... :)

[jonkka]

Yes, and by a surprisingly large margin...

[litifeta]

Neuville .8 down on JML first split

[jonkka]

Surely, Ogi's first split will be green... or it's time to eat old socks

[litifeta]

.2 down on end. Looking good but the dust must be awful

[Astro83]

Hanging dust so Ogier can absolutly have some problems there..

[jonkka]

My socks are safe

[litifeta]

Ogier is flying

[Astro83]

He is bloody fast, so acculy not so suprising but good!!

[litifeta]

Front rim broken on Ogier. pushing too hard

[jonkka]

He took more than he needed (needed 2,3s, took 3,7s) so at this rate he's on course to a win...

[rage82]

Ogier is flying despite the dust issue, .5 sec./km faster than JML in first ss.

[jonkka]

Gotta love the symmetrical differences...

Ogi +13,3s from Neuville
Mikko +13,3s from Ogi

[litifeta]

Mikko 5.2 faster than he did Gandesa last year

[rage82]

Mikko 5.2 faster than he did Gandesa last year
Last year it was all wet and muddy and very difficult for the drivers.

[Astro83]

Haha sordo -2.1 faster!! yes!

[jonkka]

Sordo faster on split 1... will things change?

[HaCo]

Sordo a lot faster this time on first split!

[Astro83]

Love it!

[jonkka]

JML taking it back on split 2

[Astro83]

Split 2??? Sordo is 1.2 faster there... ;)

[stefanvv]

Mikkelsen wins SS10 by 4 secs :)

[HaCo]

Mikkelsen wins SS10 by 4 secs :)

Wow! Very nice run of him!

[jonkka]

Mikkelsen wins SS10 by 4 secs :)

:eek:

[makinen_fan]

Ogier really on it SS11. Really nice battle as it will unfold

Btw where is everyone, all still sleeping.

[Astro83]

Nice for him! :) but did he had a 4min gap??

[jonkka]

Sordo should already be at split 3

[litifeta]

Mikkelsen wins SS10 by 4 secs :)

only 23 minutes to the next driver. Go you driver

[stefanvv]

I think the gap is 4 mins, yes

[Hartusvuori]

Ogier taking almost 1s per km until second split at 7,1 km. Latvala must hurry up...

[stefanvv]

Looks like Latvala was slow at first split, Ogier flying

[jonkka]

Ogi needs to be just 9 secs faster than JML on this and already at half-point he's achieved that...

[Astro83]

Okey, anyway, he did a real good stage time on ss10!! ogier is reeeeal fast!

[jonkka]

Sordo still in?

[makinen_fan]

What is going on with TN? Just dust or something else as well?? Lets see

Sordo lost time at the end... lots of dust at the end

[HaCo]

Ogier will win this.

[HaCo]

Sordo takes the lead!

Edit: Ooops, not!

[jonkka]

Ogier will win this.

That's the terrible possibility.

EDIT: A lot depends on the second run...

[jonkka]

Sordo takes the lead!

Edit: Ooops, not!

Haha, subconscious wish got better of you :D

[HaCo]

Ogier will win this.

That's the terrible possibility.

EDIT: A lot depends on the second run...

You're right, roads will be cleaner and yes, terrible :)

[HaCo]

Sordo takes the lead!

Edit: Ooops, not!

Haha, subconscious wish got better of you :D

Lol, ok, must admit :o

[jonkka]

What is going on with TN? Just dust or something else as well?? Lets see

I think he's got some sort of a problem.

[rage82]

Sordo lost 6 sec. at the end of the stage becauise of the dust. But Ogier is flying let's see his final split
PUncture for Neuville and that's why he has lost so much time

[HaCo]

Hirvonen also quit fast and not so far behind. Podium is still possible!

[jonkka]

Ogier is losing a bit...

[makinen_fan]

RR puncture for TN

[jonkka]

RR puncture for TN

Looks like he's gonna drop behind Mikko, perhaps even Novikov.

[litifeta]

12 seconds faster than Latvala. Man has a death wish

[Miika]

Fantastic battle ahead. Do or roll.

[HaCo]

Another 35kms to go this loop. Wonder if tire wear could play a role.

[stefanvv]

dim. 27.10.2013 / 08h23
[SS11] Sebastien Ogier (Volkswagen) 15:40.2 "I have to trust so much the notes, so many times I am completely lost and I do not know the places. I can tell you without the dust, we will be much more faster."
dim. 27.10.2013 / 08h20
[SS11] Thierry Neuville (Ford) 16:28.6 - Has lost a lot of time… Right rear puncture, very disappointed "You cannot see nothing, it is so dangerous, you cannot see nothing, it is very very dangerous. It should not be like this. We punctured… I don't know…"
dim. 27.10.2013 / 08h19
[SS11] Dani Sordo (Citroen) 15:59.0 "There was a lot of dust at the end. Long straight, just flat flat flat, but you cannot see the end. At the beginning it was very nice, but afterwards I lost my place for the dust. It is easy to make a mistake. But it is okay."

[Astro83]

12 seconds faster than Latvala. Man has a death wish


Yes he has!! :D

[makinen_fan]

Seb is in 110% mode! His complete trust on pace notes makes the difference here IMO, the same as the night stages of the first day

[HaCo]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BXkQYUhCQAABf6P.jpg
http://ewrc-results.com/results.php?e=6 ... urada-2013 (http://ewrc-results.com/results.php?e=6542&s=40820&t=Rally-RACC-Catalunya-Costa-Daurada-2013)

[HaCo]

What will Mikkelsen do here?

[jonkka]

What will Mikkelsen do here?

Take stage win, by the looks of it...

[stefanvv]

Paddon is not very quick here in Spain. I expected little more of him

[HaCo]

Ostberg not bad, but quit far behind.

[leighton323]

Paddon is not very quick here in Spain. I expected little more of him

Me too.. This is not very good at all. He would have been a lot faster if had just driven the Skoda instead..

[Hartusvuori]

Paddon is not very quick here in Spain. I expected little more of him

This morning is his first experience of WRC on gravel. His prior limited experience is from tarmac.

[Astro83]

Paddon is not very quick here in Spain. I expected little more of him


Never really liked him but for sure, he needs to be faster if he wants back to wrc for a full time... But okey, no gravel test and one day of tarmac test, not so much..

But not a good stage time.

[Carlo]

Paddon has now driven two stages on gravel in a WRC car, he never had the opportunity to test on gravel. What do you expect of him in these circumstances, go maximum attack in dust with a car that is totally new to him and bin it?
Finally it is good to see someone with sufficient self discipline and knowledge to know when to go fast and when to be a little more prudent. His time will come.

[arko5]

Mikkelsen 10 s faster then Ogier :)

[Astro83]

Carlo. Your right in that part of the pre-tests in the Fiesta but I do not agree for his future. Okey, he can as all can, pay his way in to a "seat" but I do not think he will get a contract without alot of money....

[bluuford]

Elfyn has some damage to the clutch of his Ford Fiesta R5 following yesterday's incident. He will go no further today

[Carlo]

Carlo. Your right in that part of the pre-tests in the Fiesta but I do not agree for his future. Okey, he can as all can, pay his way in to a "seat" but I do not think he will get a contract without alot of money....

People used to say the same thing about Scott Dixon when he went to Indycars but he proved them wrong too.

[Astro83]

Carlo. Your right in that part of the pre-tests in the Fiesta but I do not agree for his future. Okey, he can as all can, pay his way in to a "seat" but I do not think he will get a contract without alot of money....

People used to say the same thing about Scott Dixon when he went to Indycars but he proved them wrong too.


Yes, we will see! :)

[litifeta]

I get a little disappointed with Hayden as well. Really want to see someone from AUS or NZ competing. It is a bit hard to judge his form here. What is going on up front is just madness. Bit tough to come in after driving a Skoda and hopping in an understeering Ford that requires you to quickly adapt to the way they seem to have unpredictable reactions to inertia.

[dimviii]

seems that Ogier will manage it.Lets see at the long one.

[jonkka]

Yeah, Ogi needs to do as much as he can on this one to reap most from the cleaning effect.

[Mintexmemory]

Ogier really on it SS11. Really nice battle as it will unfold

Btw where is everyone, all still sleeping.

Morning, everbody. Of course I was sleeping, only maniac obsessives get up that early on a Sunday morning ;)
Nice to see I was right that it didn't matter where JML was on the road for Sordo - he will never be a threat on gravel. So Seb to get another 15 seconds back on Terra Alta then maybe just the odd second here and there on the second runs. JML finally showing great maturity on this rally :D
As for Paddon he is definitely driving to orders. He will be doing his reputation no harm

[Carlo]

I guess the other thing to be considered is that when someone gets what is basically a guest drive you (a) don't bin it and (b) don't head off a works car. You just go with the program and do as instructed.
If he had been expected to run for a result then I am sure Hayden would had had a totally different test program set for him. This event is a test for him in more ways than one.

[txl]

SS12 is gravel & asphalt, does anyone know how much is gravel and how much asphalt? And how is it distributed through the stage?

[jonkka]

SS12 is gravel & asphalt, does anyone know how much is gravel and how much asphalt? And how is it distributed through the stage?

Tarmac section is in the middle of the stage, I don't know exact length of it but I'd would say approx 1/7th of the stage ie some 5 kilometers or so.

[Astro83]

Come on Dani!!!

[stefanvv]

SS12 is gravel & asphalt, does anyone know how much is gravel and how much asphalt? And how is it distributed through the stage?
7km asphalt starting from 16th km (WRR)

[txl]

Thanks jonkka. More info from rally radio now - asphalt is 8km starting from the 17th km.

[sollitt]

Carl, quit while you have some dignity. No, we don't know the brief. Nor do we know the quality of the car. But by any stretch of the imagination this is a disappointing result. mostly because most of us know that he is capable of competing. Paddon had nothing to win here but plenty to lose. Would you sign him to any kind of contract on this performance?

[jonkka]

Dani's losing it. Ogi has already taken half of his deficit to JML.

[dimviii]

Dani's losing it. Ogi has already taken half of his deficit to JML.

at the end of the stage seems that dust appears again.

[dimviii]

at the end of the stage seems that dust appears again.


SS12] Dani Sordo (Citroen) 23:52.3 "After the tarmac there was lot dust in the corners. We were a lot of time out the line."

[Astro83]

Inget so tired.... Dani needs to step up! He's doing soo good until the end of the stages were the dust is...

[jonkka]

at the end of the stage seems that dust appears again.

Also, the last half of the stage is run towards generally eastern direction so rising sun may also add to dust's effect.

[HaCo]

Neuville clearly not good enough for this. Hope he can still learn!

[Mirek]

Paddon has now driven two stages on gravel in a WRC car, he never had the opportunity to test on gravel. What do you expect of him in these circumstances, go maximum attack in dust with a car that is totally new to him and bin it?
Finally it is good to see someone with sufficient self discipline and knowledge to know when to go fast and when to be a little more prudent. His time will come.

You know there are dozens of drivers who are able to reliably drive for 8-10th place. Unless You want to pay for Your driving You have to show more if You want to get to works team. The circumstances are sure bad and we could see that when Juho Hänninen in very similar situation had also problems to catch the speed without proper testing but still he was much faster (although with mistakes). I think that in these one offs nobody really care about reliability but about speed. It is off course different if there is some long-term program already set. Than it would make sense to catch experience step by step. But if it's just one drive than finishing 9th means less than few top 5 times without finish. It's just my opinion...

[dimviii]

Neuville lost at the end 9,5 sec at about 6 km of stage.

Ogier now +2,9 from Sordo.

[HaCo]

Neuville lost at the end 9,5 sec at about 6 km of stage.

[SS12] Thierry Neuville (Ford) 24:03.8 "It was okay, but I think we broke the differential or something, we have wheel spin in 4th and 5th gear… Otherwise my driving was okay, but we have a lot to improve."

[Munkvy]

I wonder what percentage of the forum viewers right now are from NZ, from looking at who is watching right now, sure looks like a few of us!

Hopefully Paddon has a good chance to push this afternoon once he has had time to process and adjust things to suit him more, but hard thing to get into a car you have never driven on gravel and do well. Would really like to see a top 6 time for him though.

[Astro83]

Paddon has now driven two stages on gravel in a WRC car, he never had the opportunity to test on gravel. What do you expect of him in these circumstances, go maximum attack in dust with a car that is totally new to him and bin it?
Finally it is good to see someone with sufficient self discipline and knowledge to know when to go fast and when to be a little more prudent. His time will come.

You know there are dozens of drivers who are able to reliably drive for 8-10th place. Unless You want to pay for Your driving You have to show more if You want to get to works team. The circumstances are sure bad and we could see that when Juho Hänninen in very similar situation had also problems to catch the speed without proper testing but still he was much faster (although with mistakes). I think that in these one offs nobody really care about reliability but about speed. It is off course different if there is some long-term program already set. Than it would make sense to catch experience step by step. But if it's just one drive than finishing 9th means less than few top 5 times without finish. It's just my opinion...


Agree with Mirek.


Ogier will win this if he dont lose it with a roll!

He and julien is like a fucking rocket!!!

[Rallyper]

It´s not fun anymore... :(

Is he a robot or what?

[jonkka]

This time Mikkelsen might not make best time...

[Astro83]

Ogier is the new Loeb... Boring when we all know who will win all events but the question is, Are Loeb and Ogier the problem or is it the other boys who needs to step up?! ;) :P

Ogier is not an alien, if he can drove fast in the dust, then the others like Sordo, needs to wake up!

[Astro83]

Paddon?!

[dimviii]

It´s not fun anymore... :(

Is he a robot or what?

not a robot,just a better driver.

[Astro83]

But I agree that it can be boring. For me the Loeb era was real boring! No fight at all and I really hope that Ogier not will be like Loeb ;)

[A FONDO]

0,5 to 0,8 secs/km ... sweeping can't excuse this. wrc is still a parody.

[dimviii]

Mikkelsen lost 11,3 sec at 2 minutes!!

[jonkka]

Mikkelsen lost 11,3 sec at 2 minutes!!

I think that the tarmac section is between splits 3 and 4.

[dimviii]

ok first wrc rally for Paddon,but couldn t imagine that he will be so slow.
Another example that a very fast s2000 driver when jumps at a wrc find it very difficult.

[A FONDO]

Annoying to wait 4 minutes for the next car. Gravel rally sucks.

[noel157]

Paddon has now driven two stages on gravel in a WRC car, he never had the opportunity to test on gravel. What do you expect of him in these circumstances, go maximum attack in dust with a car that is totally new to him and bin it?
Finally it is good to see someone with sufficient self discipline and knowledge to know when to go fast and when to be a little more prudent. His time will come.

You know there are dozens of drivers who are able to reliably drive for 8-10th place. Unless You want to pay for Your driving You have to show more if You want to get to works team. The circumstances are sure bad and we could see that when Juho Hänninen in very similar situation had also problems to catch the speed without proper testing but still he was much faster (although with mistakes). I think that in these one offs nobody really care about reliability but about speed. It is off course different if there is some long-term program already set. Than it would make sense to catch experience step by step. But if it's just one drive than finishing 9th means less than few top 5 times without finish. It's just my opinion...

Agree 100%. Meeke was a good example of speed in one off drives in NORF and Australia and, as you mention, Hanninen too.

Also some predicted that a fast S2000 driver like Paddon would have no problem adapting to a WRC car. It's a different ball game in reality.

[litifeta]

The nearest car to Paddon is 6 minutes away. Points for 9th might be more important than 10th, or getting a DNF for Malcom?

[noel157]

The nearest car to Paddon is 6 minutes away. Points for 9th might be more important than 10th, or getting a DNF for Malcom?

I appreciate you looking for positives but I think Paddon himself will be very unhappy with his results. Best stage time of 8th fastest not good. He's talented and perhaps with more testing/experience things may have been different.

[Mirek]

Also some predicted that a fast S2000 driver like Padden would have no problem adapting to a WRC car. It's a different ball game in reality.

That was me :) But it's a little misunderstanding. In my opinion driving DS3 RRC or WRC is no big difference, there is no reason for that (same for Fiesta RRC/WRC or Mini RRC/WRC). If there was a Fabia WRC made out of the S2000 I'm sure it would be much easier for Paddon (or Hänninen) as well but from what Juho said himself there is really big difference between Fabia and Fiesta. On the other hand Paddon drove Fiesta S2000 in some occasions so he might know how Fords are working. Anyway it's nice example of armchair discussion :)

[Mintexmemory]

0,5 to 0,8 secs/km ... sweeping can't excuse this. wrc is still a parody.

JML will push during the 2nd run - hands up all those who thought he would have binned it already?

[andyone]

Yap and second run no cleaning effect. I hope the dust remains.

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[noel157]

Also some predicted that a fast S2000 driver like Padden would have no problem adapting to a WRC car. It's a different ball game in reality.

That was me :) But it's a little misunderstanding. In my opinion driving DS3 RRC or WRC is no big difference, there is no reason for that (same for Fiesta RRC/WRC or Mini RRC/WRC). If there was a Fabia WRC made out of the S2000 I'm sure it would be much easier for Paddon (or Hänninen) as well but from what Juho said himself there is really big difference between Fabia and Fiesta. On the other hand Paddon drove Fiesta S2000 in some occasions so he might know how Fords are working. Anyway it's nice example of armchair discussion :)

And the next armchair topic up for discussion will be Kubica on wet, frozen gravel in a WRC car .....:)

[noel157]

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[Mirek]

And the next armchair topic up for discussion will be Kubica on wet, frozen gravel in a WRC car .....:)

Definitely :) Just came to my mind what Ogier did in his first ever WRC stage on the frozen mud of Wales...

[stefanvv]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syfOCx_eSrc

[stefanvv]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcqW0j1ZV5o

[kiwi rich]

Haydens car was last used as a WRC car by Ken Block in Rally NZ last year and has been in RRC spec as the Sea Shore car this year.
I feel for him as I thought his speed would be better

[Mintexmemory]

If the current positions are maintained in the 2nd run then JML will cut the WDC deficit to just 5 points behind TN- sets up Wales and the hat trick attempt nicely! Suspect that is what VW will want most ;)

[A FONDO]

0,5 to 0,8 secs/km ... sweeping can't excuse this. wrc is still a parody.

JML will push during the 2nd run - hands up all those who thought he would have binned it already?
My idea was not that he will simply bin it. I thought someone from the 4 should crash, and I decided JM is the most likely :D

In simple words, the accent was not on him particularly, believe it or not (as you have a different point of view being fan of him).

[bluuford]

another fight moght be between Yazeed and Sepp for WRC2 second position. Yazeed very fast today

[jonkka]

Time to see who's the winner...

[Astro83]

Not Sordo anyway :(

[jonkka]

Surprising times, I must say.

Neuville found his speed, Ogi lost it, Sordo lost and found...

[Astro83]

I think Ogier and Julien will sattle for second... But we will see

[jonkka]

I think Ogier and Julien will sattle for second... But we will see

At this pace they'd be approx 20 secs ahead of JML at the end.

[Doon]

I think Ogier and Julien will sattle for second... But we will see

really?? The look to be gunning for everyone else!!

[dimviii]

I think Ogier and Julien will sattle for second... But we will see

At this pace they'd be approx 20 secs ahead of JML at the end.

?stro means that if vw help Latvala for the 2nd position in championship,with orders to Ogier not to win against Latvala if i understood right.

[Astro83]

I think Ogier and Julien will sattle for second... But we will see

At this pace they'd be approx 20 secs ahead of JML at the end.


Yea absolutly, but I think JML will find a seventh gear and maby Seb and Julien thinks that JML deserve this and it's even good for JML champ.points...

But Ogier is a man who likes to be first at all costs so we will see

[Astro83]

I think Ogier and Julien will sattle for second... But we will see

At this pace they'd be approx 20 secs ahead of JML at the end.

?stro means that if vw help Latvala for the 2nd position in championship,with orders to Ogier not to win against Latvala if i understood right.


Absolutly right!

[dimviii]

Sordo just lost 2nd position by 1,3 sec.

[WUff1]

I think Ogier and Julien will sattle for second... But we will see

At this pace they'd be approx 20 secs ahead of JML at the end.


Yea absolutly, but I think JML will find a seventh gear and maby Seb and Julien thinks that JML deserve this and it's even good for JML champ.points...

But Ogier is a man who likes to be first at all costs so we will see

That are also my thoughts. Ogier will win - if there is no team order, or if he´s willing not to follow such an order.

[Astro83]

I really wants Sordo to find speed again on gravel! So he can be as fast as JML and the UFO - Ogier. Would love to see some real good times from Sordo in the last two now! Really want him around in 2014!

[skarderud]

Im surprised if vw let ogier win against latvala, both teamfriend and pointswise.

Good to see Mads got his mojo back, 0,3 back on neuville is good!

[jonkka]

Sordo has a will to fight, at least on split 1 ...

[Eli]

Sordo stopped...what a bit of rotten luck(or whatever)...,clipped something