Ypres Rally

[tommeke_B]

As long as the difference is less than 2s/km, it's ok... And I don't believe the difference will be bigger :)

[noel157]

Loix to win again as far as I can see.

Yep, Loix for sure. hard to see anybody beating him in a straight fight.

[HaCo]

It's a shame we never saw this Princen in an s2000, let's hope we will see him.

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[tommeke_B]

Cutting of tyres will be allowed according to Bulletin N°2. :) Also there will be a start list for Free Practise 1 and 2 (both runs) and for QS, I'm afraid it will make it almost completely impossible to change anything on the setup...

[Mad cat jnr]

Do they not have to go back to service after free practice though? And start from there like in WRC?

[Mintexmemory]

Do they not have to go back to service after free practice though? And start from there like in WRC?
Nope, remote service in the centre of Nieuwkerke which has a 'carnival' atmosphere on the Thursday evening. Shakedown route starts and finishes in the town with servicing between runs in the main street.

[Mirek]

Is there a timetable for SD and QS?

[Mintexmemory]

Is there a timetable for SD and QS?

RG1 makes no reference to a QS just SD from 1900 - 2030 for cars 1-30 then free for all 2030 - 2300. I wasn't there last year but in 2010 and 2011 I'm pretty sure there wasn't a QS system, cars ran as seeded

[Mirek]

You're right but I'm asking because it will be different this year.

[Mintexmemory]

You're right but I'm asking because it will be different this year.

Ok, well if there are 2 FP runs at minute intervals it figures that they will be 1900-2000 with top 30 QS running 2000 - 2030. In previous years Loix and Sneijers would be doing around 10 runs with sponsors in the co-driver seat!

[Mirek]

Yes, I remember...

[vino_93]

Qualification stage is Thursday or Friday ?

[wwbroe]

Qualification stage is Thursday or Friday ?

It is on thursdayevening, i think they will start around 19 o'clock. ;)

[Mintexmemory]

It is on thursdayevening, i think they will start around 19 o'clock. ;)
See 4 posts above.... FP will start at 1900, convoy recce of the stage allowed before then.

[tommeke_B]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/q71/s720x720/1002406_589694464396230_1687136138_n.jpg Timo Van der Marel posted this photo on facebook. "Some additional brake cooling for our Fiesta next week." Legal???

[Mad cat jnr]

Not that I am aware of, thought all things like that had to be homologated as its a performance enhancement.

[Mirek]

It may have been homologated with the R200 update for the R2 but I don't know a shyt, just guessing.

[Mad cat jnr]

R200 isnt homologated is it? Its just a 'club' R2 so has more mods outside of FIA Regulation.

[br21]

Yep, it's fully legal (if dimensions of that cooling ducts are OK, but they look like OK). It's allowed in Appendix J, Art. 260, point 803-a2b

[mousti]

Shakedown will be less action now in the beginning. Only 3 runs for 15 cars in a hour and a half. From turn on it's evert half minute that a car starts.

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[Fly]

Pajunen replacing Tamrazov is a strong rumour...

[Andre Oliveira]

AT Rally Team car to Paddon, the S2000 that Bernardo have used. Source Ruben Perez twitter (https://twitter.com/RubnPerez)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BNS40lZCMAEp80L.jpg:large

[wrc45]

The car is also registerd in Estonia.

[mousti]

Always have been used by AT Rallyteam since 2011

[br21]

Can someone from Estonia explain the rules behind those red "special" registration plates?

[WRCKE]

Pajunen replacing Tamrazov is a strong rumour...

not an rumour but it's sure

[bluuford]

Can someone from Estonia explain the rules behind those red "special" registration plates?
SP means something like sporting car (only for rally and 4*4 offroad cars) this number is meant for competition cars. There is special rule for these cars. You need to visit regular technical inspections with normal cars but this is not needed when you have SP numbered car (they have good technical inpection before each rally anyway - helps to save some time and money). However, SP number also means that you are not allowed to use these cars in normal traffic outside competitions and testing time registered in Estonian Autosport Union.

[mas-racing]

test Paddon : ERC GEKO YPRES RALLY 2013 TEST PADDON (http://www.mas-racing.be/nl-17836-9972-erc-geko-ypres-rally-2013-test-paddon.html)

http://i1354.photobucket.com/albums/q695/freddyzonnebeke/startfototestzondagieper2013_zpsc36330e6.jpg (http://s1354.photobucket.com/user/freddyzonnebeke/media/startfototestzondagieper2013_zpsc36330e6.jpg.html)

[tommeke_B]

I've been to Paddon's test too, today. His style is very clean but effective, I think he can score a good result. They tested in both wet and dry conditions. In the morning they used the short gearbox, but it was clear that the longer gearbox is the best one to have for Ypres.

http://rally-image.be/foto/0369/images/012.jpg

http://rally-image.be/foto/0369/images/031.jpg

http://rally-image.be/foto/0369/images/018.jpg

http://rally-image.be/foto/0369/images/034.jpg

More photos: Tests GEKO Ypres Rally (Tom Buyse) - rally-image.be (http://rally-image.be/foto/0369/)

[Mirek]

I've been to Paddon's test too, today. His style is very clean but effective, I think he can score a good result. They tested in both wet and dry conditions. In the morning they used the short gearbox, but it was clear that the longer gearbox is the best one to have for Ypres.

That's very interesting because M-Sport has never used long gearbox in Ypres. Some our forum member who was an M-Sport mechanic wrote last year that M-Sport was convinced the short gearbox is the better option. I recall only Škoda using long gearbox with naturally aspirated engines in Ypres - always. Last year the difference between the gearing of Škoda and Peugeot/Ford was huge - as You sure remember. Also Juho gained most against Freddy on Heuvelland which was full of long straights.

If I'm not mistaken the first three gears are always same in S2000 cars and the change is done via different 4th, 5th and 6th gear, not by different final drive. Fabia used to have slightly longer first three gears than Fiesta so making the whole gearbox suitable for higher top speed shall be easier in Fabia (4-5-6 are closer to each other than in Fiesta). On the other hand Peugeot and especially Abarth had even longer 1-2-3 and they still didn't use long gearbox in Ypres... I don't know if that has not changed through the years, so take it easy.

[gianni123]

Video From Haydon Paddon and some other crews

Test Haydon Paddon, Geusens, Depla - GEKO Ypres Rally 2013 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUCbEmHYsDI)

[tommeke_B]

That's very interesting because M-Sport has never used long gearbox in Ypres. Some our forum member who was an M-Sport mechanic wrote last year that M-Sport was convinced the short gearbox is the better option. I recall only Škoda using long gearbox with naturally aspirated engines in Ypres - always. Last year the difference between the gearing of Škoda and Peugeot/Ford was huge - as You sure remember. Also Juho gained most against Freddy on Heuvelland which was full of long straights.

If I'm not mistaken the first three gears are always same in S2000 cars and the change is done via different 4th, 5th and 6th gear, not by different final drive. Fabia used to have slightly longer first three gears than Fiesta so making the whole gearbox suitable for higher top speed shall be easier in Fabia (4-5-6 are closer to each other than in Fiesta). On the other hand Peugeot and especially Abarth had even longer 1-2-3 and they still didn't use long gearbox in Ypres... I don't know if that has not changed through the years, so take it easy.

In 2008, Kronos used long gearbox for a certain loop (including the 42km Heuvelland), for Freddy Loix and Nicolas Vouilloz. They replaced the gearbox from both cars just for those loops (so 4 gearbox changes to get the advantage of the longer gearbox on certain stages). ;) Patrick Snijers was quite upset about it back then, that Kronos didn't do it for him (BF Goodrich driver).

[Rasantes]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5wRBjJn7Mc

[Mad cat jnr]

I believe Freddy Loix was present at Jamie Browns test yesterday and gave him some good advice/tuition.

Cant wait for Thursday now, although it looks like I will miss shakedown due to a funeral.

[Jarek Z]

That's very interesting because M-Sport has never used long gearbox in Ypres. Some our forum member who was an M-Sport mechanic wrote last year that M-Sport was convinced the short gearbox is the better option.

That must be why Ford's last win in Ypres was 20 years ago ;)
http://ypresrally.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=58&Itemid=99&lang=en

[OldF]

Afaik it’s possible homologate 3 gear ratios but has the manufacturers homologated only 2?


Fabia used to have slightly longer first three gears than Fiesta so making the whole gearbox suitable for higher top speed shall be easier in Fabia (4-5-6 are closer to each other than in Fiesta). On the other hand Peugeot and especially Abarth had even longer 1-2-3 and they still didn't use long gearbox in Ypres... I don't know if that has not changed through the years, so take it easy.

Wouldn’t closer gear ratios to each other also make it easier to keep the engine’s revs on the best performance range?

[Mirek]

That is what I meant. You sure remember how lame the Puntos used to be in slow hairpins. Part of the reason was that Punto was geared for best use in flowing corner-to-corner stages where You spend most of the time on 3rd and 4th gear. 1st gear on the other hand was relatively long. Now it's not like with the old kit cars anymore where manufacturers used dozens of gear kits, almost different for every rally (I think 26 options were homologated for Octavia Kit Car for example) and different engine mapping for every rally. Now You have to find a compromise for the particular engine and for stages You want to compete on.

Hope that I don't write complete rubbish :)

[tommeke_B]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/976458_543685105692927_782594724_o.jpg Freddy in factory colors :)

[Mintexmemory]

Is just me but it doesn't seem like Ypres without Weijs, Abbring, Neuville, Sneijrs, Ten Brink..... And others! Very glad I went in 2010 & 11

[tommeke_B]

Ten Brinke competed in Ypres only once... ;) Neuville with Fiesta R5 between 00 and 0-car... Snijers in historic category. Weijs and Abbring aren't there because there's an event for the French gravel championship the same weekend... (Same reason for Demaerschalk and Cherain by the way)

[Mintexmemory]

...Basso, Rosettii, Casier, PG, Han & Kop, Mikkelsen, Gaardemeister. Whatever the reasons this seems a pale shadow of recent events, Jeebus someone has even picked Melissa for a top 8 finish in the Pickems!!!

[mousti]

Casier is driving. Basso and Rox didn't do anything much this year besides 1 or 2 rally or none. Juho focuses on WRC, same with PG. Garde does Baja, Mikkelsen is in WRC and it's crisis if all S2000 on the list start we can be happy. And Melissa has improved alot with the 207.

[EightGear]

Jeebus someone has even picked Melissa for a top 8 finish in the Pickems!!!

:p I'm sorry.

She was mighty quick in the TAC rally though.

[Andre Oliveira]

Source (https://twitter.com/AdriHernandez04/status/349176326231572480/photo/1)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BNiGBMlCQAAmOd_.jpg:large

[tommeke_B]

...Basso, Rosettii, Casier, PG, Han & Kop, Mikkelsen, Gaardemeister. Whatever the reasons this seems a pale shadow of recent events, Jeebus someone has even picked Melissa for a top 8 finish in the Pickems!!!
You forgot Walter Röhrl and Jean Ragnotti!!! You can name any driver who is not in Ypres... But except for Kopecky, noone of the ones you mention is actually doing the ERC. It's like I'm saying "Finland is going to be weak without Loeb, Sainz, Gronholm and Makinen..." ;) Some years the championships are better than others. But the list isn't so bad after all, I expected much worse one month ago.

[Mintexmemory]

:p I'm sorry.

She was mighty quick in the TAC rally though.

No disrespect to MD but would you have made that pick in any of the last four years?
Maurin, Oliveira, Magalhaes, Wilkes, Barrable, Greer, Betti... And actually now I think of it Jasper VdH should be ahead of Aigner in my pick!

[mas-racing]

test Cracco - Vanneste : ERC GEKO YPRES RALLY 2013 TEST CRACCO PJM - VANNESTE D (http://www.mas-racing.be/nl-17836-9976-erc-geko-ypres-rally-2013-test-cracco-pjm--vanneste-d.html)

http://i1354.photobucket.com/albums/q695/freddyzonnebeke/startfototestmaandagieper2013_zps0225caa1.jpg (http://s1354.photobucket.com/user/freddyzonnebeke/media/startfototestmaandagieper2013_zps0225caa1.jpg.html )

[Mirek]

Maurin, Oliveira, Magalhaes, Wilkes, Barrable, Greer, Betti... And actually now I think of it Jasper VdH should be ahead of Aigner in my pick!

Bad joke for half of the names, sorry.

[EightGear]

No disrespect to MD but would you have made that pick in any of the last four years?
Maurin, Oliveira, Magalhaes, Wilkes, Barrable, Greer, Betti... And actually now I think of it Jasper VdH should be ahead of Aigner in my pick!

Obviously not. It's the weakest entry in years but still not too bad considering the ERC season so far. I especially like Paddon's entry.

Let's hope next year (and the whole ERC season) will be better.

[tommeke_B]

No disrespect to MD but would you have made that pick in any of the last four years?
Maurin, Oliveira, Magalhaes, Wilkes, Barrable, Greer, Betti... And actually now I think of it Jasper VdH should be ahead of Aigner in my pick!

With the condition she is in this year, I would say she could have ended on the podium last years edition. In 2009 Melissa had a great season, but since then every year there were some problems and she was never really confident for some reason unknown to me... Last year was her worst season with the DS3, but this year she is really strong, I'm expecting a lot from her.

[rallymen123]

Some pictures from the test of Davy Vanneste, PJM Cracco and Freddy Loix with the Fiesta RRC from Cracco online on www.bvrallypics.be (http://www.bvrallypics.be)
Tests Geko Ypres Rally 2013 « bvrallypics (http://bvrallypics.be/?p=574&wppa-album=136&wppa-cover=0&wppa-occur=1)
http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg25/rallymen123/sized_TestIeper025_zps8e105f89.jpg (http://s244.photobucket.com/user/rallymen123/media/sized_TestIeper025_zps8e105f89.jpg.html)
http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg25/rallymen123/sized_TestIeper061_zps5c8217d0.jpg (http://s244.photobucket.com/user/rallymen123/media/sized_TestIeper061_zps5c8217d0.jpg.html)
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[Co-FIN]

Im maybe coming to watch Ypres in saturday. Is there some legendary places to spectate or some "old places" were is maybe some action? First time Ypres for me and we have little time, so we cant drive the stages through..

[Nornbugger]

No disrespect to MD but would you have made that pick in any of the last four years?
Maurin, Oliveira, Magalhaes, Wilkes, Barrable, Greer, Betti... And actually now I think of it Jasper VdH should be ahead of Aigner in my pick!

are you drunk??

[tommeke_B]

Test Geko Ypres Rally 2013 By DG Sport - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6N94fEUgvzw) - DG Sport (De Cecco and Hermann) testing for Ypres, looks good... :)

[Mad cat jnr]

Is Davy V starting? Didnt think he had the latest spec car and therefore not allowed?

[pucky54]

Is Davy V starting? Didnt think he had the latest spec car and therefore not allowed?

;)

[dupanton]

Yesterday on the test of Cracco Jr, het had some technical problems with his 208 R2. First a broken gearbox mount. And then in the afternoon he had a big problem with his engine. But I guess they will manage to fix/replace it by the start of the rally.

Today I heard that Pontus Tidemand visited a ditch on test... I hope it is not to serious.

[Hartusvuori]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BNmQYycCQAACAPl.jpg:large

Neuville testing R5 today. From @TACrally

[dupanton]

Yesterday on the test of Cracco Jr, het had some technical problems with his 208 R2. First a broken gearbox mount. And then in the afternoon he had a big problem with his engine. But I guess they will manage to fix/replace it by the start of the rally.

Today I heard that Pontus Tidemand visited a ditch on test... I hope it is not to serious.

No damage for Pontus!

[WRCKE]

test neuville Fiesta R5


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zcf2fZMVpBM

[rochey]

That's seems a clever space to stand at 0:42!!

[rochey]

Hi Chaps...can any one post a pdf of the Historics first stage please?

They were on line last year so we could do a bit of forward planning but I can't seem to find them this year!

Thanks in advance!

[dupanton]

That's seems a clever space to stand at 0:42!!

That was probably a fixed camera ;)

[rochey]

I thought that after I'd posted! doh! :)

[rallymen123]

Pictures from the test of Neuville online on www.bvrallypics.be (http://www.bvrallypics.be)
Tests Geko Ypres Rally 2013 « bvrallypics (http://bvrallypics.be/?p=574&wppa-album=136&wppa-cover=0&wppa-occur=1)
http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg25/rallymen123/sized_TestIeper2013007_zps91719009.jpg (http://s244.photobucket.com/user/rallymen123/media/sized_TestIeper2013007_zps91719009.jpg.html)
http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg25/rallymen123/sized_TestIeper2013070_zps175dd5a0.jpg (http://s244.photobucket.com/user/rallymen123/media/sized_TestIeper2013070_zps175dd5a0.jpg.html)
http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg25/rallymen123/sized_TestIeper2013117_zps80ae7871.jpg (http://s244.photobucket.com/user/rallymen123/media/sized_TestIeper2013117_zps80ae7871.jpg.html)
http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg25/rallymen123/sized_TestIeper2013163_zps802d9c98.jpg (http://s244.photobucket.com/user/rallymen123/media/sized_TestIeper2013163_zps802d9c98.jpg.html)
http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg25/rallymen123/sized_TestIeper2013087_zpsd1ff8e53.jpg (http://s244.photobucket.com/user/rallymen123/media/sized_TestIeper2013087_zpsd1ff8e53.jpg.html)

[mas-racing]

test Neuville + Fiesta Cup : ERC GEKO YPRES RALLY 2013 TEST NEUVILLE + FIESTA CUP (http://www.mas-racing.be/nl-17836-9980-erc-geko-ypres-rally-2013-test-neuville-fiesta-cup.html)

http://i1354.photobucket.com/albums/q695/freddyzonnebeke/startfototestdinsdagieper2013_zpscb853f7f.jpg (http://s1354.photobucket.com/user/freddyzonnebeke/media/startfototestdinsdagieper2013_zpscb853f7f.jpg.html )

[RS]

Are Peugeot planning a test for Meeke?

The thing I like most about the Fiesta is the looks, hoping the 208 will sound a bit more exciting in the same way that the Citroen WRCars have always sounded better than the Fords.

[dimviii]

is it so difficult to create a nice sounding engine? :rolleyes:

[Mirek]

Dimitris, do You hear anti-lag in the video? I don't :(

[dimviii]

Dimitris, do You hear anti-lag in the video? I don't :(

me too.still very slow exiting of slow corners.

[rochey]

Hi Chaps...can any one post a pdf of the Historics first stage please?

They were on line last year so we could do a bit of forward planning but I can't seem to find them this year!

Thanks in advance!

Is it the same stage as 2011?

Anyone?

[mousti]

Indeed didn't hear any antilag today, but for me it looks like it's already faster than the S2000's like it should be. Neuville drove it immediately with full commitment, good drive of him. Pajunen came in the afternoon to test also with the Fiesta S2000, but was just leaving so didn't see him drive.

[Francis44]

Boring.....Please dont make this the next WRC car.

[Mirek]

me too.still very slow exiting of slow corners.

According to an article from Gregor Pavsic there is some kind of soft anti-lag because the standardized turbocharger can't work with too high temperatures.

[makinen_fan]

According to an article from Gregor Pavsic there is some kind of soft anti-lag because the standardized turbocharger can't work with too high temperatures.

This might be the case, because you can hear something during deceleration, but it does not remind in any way the ALS as we know it. Does the turbocharger come from a production car as other components?

Anyway, the car sounds very boring in general, reminds me somehow the last Focus WRC.

[stefanvv]

Certainly doesn't blow the charts on tarmac but not worse that naturally aspirated S2000 imo

[RS]

The Fords always sound boring, let's hope the Peugeot, Skoda and others will be better.

[dimviii]

According to an article from Gregor Pavsic there is some kind of soft anti-lag because the standardized turbocharger can't work with too high temperatures.
can t believe it Mirek.Plenty of standart turbochargers that cope excellent with antilag(evo-subi-ds3 etc)
Maybe not finished yet? Lets wait.
Till now seems to be slower than s2000 imho.

[gianni123]

Test Neuville - Ford Fiesta R5


Test Neuville, Ford Fiesta R5 - Geko Ypres Rally - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R91t59mkZvI)

[tommeke_B]

Photos from tests of Neuville/Fiesta R5, Loix/Fabia, Tidemand/Fiesta R2 and several other R2-drivers online on rally-image.be (http://www.rally-image.be)

http://rally-image.be/foto/0370/images/005.jpg

http://rally-image.be/foto/0370/images/032.jpg

http://rally-image.be/foto/0370/images/017.jpg

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http://rally-image.be/foto/0370/images/052.jpg

[tommeke_B]

Van Woensel not driving... Sponsor didn't meet the agreement (sent an SMS to inform the money isn't there and isn't coming, how polite...).

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Fiesta R5 is a great looking car but sounds sooooo quiet, I cant believe it... even my Focus ST road car produces a better engine noise than that and more pops and bangs from the exhaust ! :D :eek:

Maybe its just the Ford still isnt running something in test that will help its sound.

Lets hope the other R5's get some proper rally car sounds as thats what the fans love more than anything ...

The 208T16 sounds pretty good here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfWcBPd9-IA

[Andre Oliveira]

eWRC-results gallery (http://www.ewrc-results.com/foto.php?e=11181&t=Test-Thierry-Neuville-Ford-Fiesta-R5-ypres-rally-2013)

http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2013/photos/test_thierry_neuville_ford_fiesta_r5_ypres_rally_2 013/ajo_sized_img_3017.jpghttp://www.ewrc.cz/images/2013/photos/test_thierry_neuville_ford_fiesta_r5_ypres_rally_2 013/ajo_sized_img_3279.jpghttp://www.ewrc.cz/images/2013/photos/test_thierry_neuville_ford_fiesta_r5_ypres_rally_2 013/ajo_sized_img_2913.jpg

[PLuto]

Dont forget to make pickems to Geko Ypres Rally - http://www.motorsportforums.com/erc/158923-pickem-2013-geko-ypres-rally.html

[Fast Eddie WRC]

http://www.craigbreen.com/images/news/ERC-Ypers-next-for-Breen.jpg
http://www.craigbreen.com/images/enlarge.png (http://www.craigbreen.com/images/news/full_ERC-Ypers-next-for-Breen.jpg) Breen on Ypres


After taking part in the Peugeot 208 T16’s first test session on tarmac at the start of June in France, Craig Breen pursues his season in the European Rally Championship in his Peugeot 207 S2000. The Irishman, the only representative of the Peugeot Rally Academy at this event, currently lies second in the championship after finishing as runner-up three times and fourth once and will be regarded as one of the potential winners. However, for his first debut appearance at this difficult rally, his main objective will be to make it to the finish.


“This is the first time I will be competing at the Ypres Rally, ” admitted Craig Breen. “We did some testing last week on similar roads to those we'll face in Ypres and it went pretty well, so I can’t wait to start racing. My co-driver, Paul Nagle, won here in 2009 alongside Kris Meeke. I hope his experience here will be beneficial to us.”


“Whenever anyone talks to me about Ypres, they immediately mention Kris winning here on his first appearance. Obviously, winning is also my aim, but it'll be very difficult because there are some local specialists taking part, like Freddy Loix, as well as all the usual suspects from the ERC, starting with Bryan Bouffier and François Delecour, who are also both competing in a Peugeot. I’m still waiting for my first win in ERC, without that adding any sort of pressure. Since the start of the season, we have been quick and consistent. We just need to sort out a few things and we’ll get the win, but my main objective hasn't changed since the start of the year. As far as I’m concerned, this season is all about learning the ropes in the ERC, so my first job is to make it to the end of the rally.”

[mousti]

Another forfait is François Delecour he finally found not the budget that was needed..

[Mirek]

can t believe it Mirek.Plenty of standart turbochargers that cope excellent with antilag(evo-subi-ds3 etc)
Maybe not finished yet? Lets wait.

I know, I was asking the same when talking about that today...


Till now seems to be slower than s2000 imho.

I bet it's not. It's interesting but on asphalt even Fiesta WRC looks slower than it is. When You see it in a fast section together with naturally aspirated S2000 You don't feel any reasonable difference in speed...

One shot of Loix (with the videos of today I still prefer the naturally aspirated S2000...)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dsh4dDPKhq0

[mousti]

Best video yet of Neuville testing, Test Neuville, Ford Fiesta R5 - Geko Ypres Rally - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R91t59mkZvI)

[miniwintz]

Sounds like a vacuum cleaner indeed :D

[tommeke_B]

So a little "review" from what I've heard and seen today... :)

The combination Neuville/R5 was very spectacular to me. Probably mostly because of the driver, Thierry was really on the limit, sideways in fast corners and everything. The sound of the tyres is a bit odd but I like it :) Like normal street tyres, as soon as they start drifting, you hear them "scream". The sound of the R5 is the bad part indeed, it's not as boring as the Focus WRC, but still... About the (lack of) antilag I have a mixed opinion, in some way it's not good for the spectacle, in another way it makes the R5 car at least as as unforgiving as the S2000 was, as soon as you lift the throttle you lose the boost, so you lose time. I think it will make drivers keep the throttle longer, try left foot braking etc... Also the difference between drivers will be bigger in these cars, I think. I spoke with Richard Millener from M-Sport. He said he estimated the running cost around 55 pound/km, while S2000 is 65 pound/km (in his calculation, don't know what is included and what not, but I think not much is included). Cost of engine revision would be around 15 000 pound, after 2000km. The prices and development are frozen for a few years. He also said 18 cars have already been sold, and 5 or 6 could drive in Finland. Tidemand tested too, today. He was very very impressive with the Fiesta R2, if he drives like that in the event it is crash or win... He did a small crash today but without damage, after the crash, on the first run already, he was on the limit again. Also young driver Joachim Wagemans was very impressive with the Fiesta R2, it's only the first year that he is driving, but he is improving very quickly.

After that test I went to the test of Loix-Fabia S2000 and Tsjoen/Casier-Fabia S2000. The first thing Freddy was interested in was a video from the R5... He claimed the chassis to be too soft, and that the handling for a car on this level should be much better... Freddy tested the Fabia S2000, a testing-car, made a good set-up, he was confident and very fast. Then they "copied" the setup to the car he will drive in Ypres. It's a brand new car, 0km, while the testing car had already 2000kms. Freddy did a few runs with the new car at the end of the day, and said that the car felt a bit different in some points, but that's because it's completely new... :) Freddy also tested on wet conditions with the Michelin tyre, but the performance of the Michelin on wet is very poor, and they are not allowed to cut it... If it's going to rain, it will be a disaster, no traction at all with the tyre, there's no way the water can go to... Tsjoen/Casier were less lucky with their test. There was a problem with the engine, and they replaced it by a "2009" engine, so less powerful... Both tested 30kms with the car, and both were scared when sitting next to the other... Atmosphere there could be better for sure, I think it's only now that they are aware of the project they made.

[Jarek Z]

Tsjoen/Casier were less lucky with their test. (...) Both tested 30kms with the car, and both were scared when sitting next to the other... Atmosphere there could be better for sure, I think it's only now that they are aware of the project they made.

Thanks for your impressions Tommeke! It was an interesting reading and the comment about Tsjoen and Casier made me smile in front of my notebook :) As it's already after midnight, it was my last smile before I fall asleep, so see you tomorrow guys! :)

[vino_93]

For those who are looking for, here are timing for historics : Timing Ypres Historic Rally - Ypres-Historic (http://www.ypreshistoricrally.be/rally.asp?language=nl&tab=timing&id=1)

I will go only on Friday this year. Will try to see once historics car, on Boezinge. But for modern cars, I'm looking for an impressive fast place on Dikkebus or Mesen. Does someone know nice place ? :) (and nice other places, not forced to be fast)

[PLuto]

For those who are looking for, here are timing for historics : Timing Ypres Historic Rally - Ypres-Historic (http://www.ypreshistoricrally.be/rally.asp?language=nl&tab=timing&id=1)

I will go only on Friday this year. Will try to see once historics car, on Boezinge. But for modern cars, I'm looking for an impressive fast place on Dikkebus or Mesen. Does someone know nice place ? :) (and nice other places, not forced to be fast)

Lucky boy. I will be mostly only in service. And with new "qualify" rules I will not see so much also from shakedown...

[tolis]

Lucky boy. I will be mostly only in service. And with new "qualify" rules I will not see so much also from shakedown...
You will watch Eurosport later! :D

[leighton323]

https://facebook.com/notes/hayden-paddon/paddon-targets-podium-on-debut-in-belgium/538626322839828/?refid=7&_ft_=qid.5893583788955928559%3Amf_story_key.-1342961988111656965

Link for small Press release by Paddon.

I have mixed feelings about how he will go. He was faster than Breen last year on Tarmac but has not competed in a long time and Breen has had an already busy season competing and may have the edge. Seeing as it is a specialist event, he may suffer a bit, but hoping for big improvements in stage times over the course of the weekend. I expect Loix will be quickest.
Who is running what tyres? And Will the Pirelli tyres have an advantage over the Michelins??

Will have to stay up all night following ;)

[RS]

I bet it's not. It's interesting but on asphalt even Fiesta WRC looks slower than it is.

Probably.. it's just the sound makes it look slower than it is. Which is why it is so important.

[ThomasS]

Breen had the advantage over him last year also .
Breen has vastly more experience than Paddon on tarmac altogether but I think Paddon's times in France and Spain surprised even Paddon.

[tommeke_B]

https://facebook.com/notes/hayden-paddon/paddon-targets-podium-on-debut-in-belgium/538626322839828/?refid=7&_ft_=qid.5893583788955928559%3Amf_story_key.-1342961988111656965

Link for small Press release by Paddon.

I have mixed feelings about how he will go. He was faster than Breen last year on Tarmac but has not competed in a long time and Breen has had an already busy season competing and may have the edge. Seeing as it is a specialist event, he may suffer a bit, but hoping for big improvements in stage times over the course of the weekend. I expect Loix will be quickest.
Who is running what tyres? And Will the Pirelli tyres have an advantage over the Michelins??

Will have to stay up all night following ;)

Just hope for rain, then Hayden has the best tyres I think. But then he has the disadvantage that mud will come on the road in certain corners, and he's not so experienced with predicting it as others.

[tommeke_B]

For those who are looking for, here are timing for historics : Timing Ypres Historic Rally - Ypres-Historic (http://www.ypreshistoricrally.be/rally.asp?language=nl&tab=timing&id=1)

I will go only on Friday this year. Will try to see once historics car, on Boezinge. But for modern cars, I'm looking for an impressive fast place on Dikkebus or Mesen. Does someone know nice place ? :) (and nice other places, not forced to be fast)
I would recommend:
- Dikkebus: the place at the cemetry in Dikkebus (you can find it on the map) it's a right-left combination that was taken flat out by the few fastest drivers, but that was with better tyres, I think this place could be quite crazy this year...
- Mesen: Just before the finish you have several nice fast corners, easy to reach too (from the big road that is parallel with it).

[ThomasS]

That'll depend on qualifying I guess. What are the roads like compared to the Alsace ?

Is it not Breens first time in Ypres ?

[Mad cat jnr]

I believe it is but Craig has alot more experience on tarmac both in Ireland and Europe, and Irish tar is probably as unforgiving as the Belgian Tar.

[tommeke_B]

That'll depend on qualifying I guess. What are the roads like compared to the Alsace ?

Is it not Breens first time in Ypres ?
You can't compare the roads to Alsace. But he's been stuck in a ditch in Alsace, and there are many ditches in Ypres, but no police to forbid spectators to get the car out :p (which was unfortunately the case in Alsace). Had a chat with Hayden last sunday on the test, very friendly person. He said it will be easy. Also QS isn't an advantage for him, he said he's always slow on the shakedown, just trying to get the feeling of the car back. Now he has no time for that on the shakedown. He also told me, probably no news, that he will drive Finland with Fabia s2000 and Germany, car for Germany not decided yet, but probably the Fiesta if all goes well.
Breen's first time in Ypres yes, but his codriver has won the event with Meeke (and then it was the first time for Meeke). :)

[ThomasS]

You can't compare the roads to Alsace. But he's been stuck in a ditch in Alsace, and there are many ditches in Ypres, but no police to forbid spectators to get the car out :p (which was unfortunately the case in Alsace). Had a chat with Hayden last sunday on the test, very friendly person. He said it will be easy. Also QS isn't an advantage for him, he said he's always slow on the shakedown, just trying to get the feeling of the car back. Now he has no time for that on the shakedown. He also told me, probably no news, that he will drive Finland with Fabia s2000 and Germany, car for Germany not decided yet, but probably the Fiesta if all goes well.
Breen's first time in Ypres yes, but his codriver has won the event with Meeke (and then it was the first time for Meeke). :)

No pressure for Breen to win then...

[tommeke_B]

Test Loix, Tidemand, wagemans, De ridder - Ypres rally 2013 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLwZw6xX1Dg) - short video testing of Loix, Tidemand, Wagemans and De Ridder.

[Jarek Z]

To get you in the right mood for the rally I'd like to show you some photos from the past. This is Ypres Rally from the years 1995-2004 by Koen De Meyere. Those were the days!
=+DESC&pg_[ex_path]=117&modex=pokaz&T[id]=1730]Ypres 1995-2004 (http://rallyonline.pl/g.php?1&pg_[desc)

[Mirek]

The grass was greener, the sky was brighter ;)

Thanks for the photos Jarek.

[Mintexmemory]

The grass was greener, the sky was brighter ;)

Thanks for the photos Jarek.
You forgot 'the beer was cheaper' ;)

[Mirek]

Hehe, certainly.

[rochey]

To get you in the right mood for the rally I'd like to show you some photos from the past. This is Ypres Rally from the years 1995-2004 by Koen De Meyere. Those were the days!
=+DESC&pg_[ex_path]=117&modex=pokaz&T[id]=1730]Ypres 1995-2004 (http://rallyonline.pl/g.php?1&pg_[desc)


Wow, they bring some memories back...Particularly the ones of Ian Greer who utterly blew me away with his pace, especially as I don't think he had done Ieper before........they were better days before the cars went round like they are on rails...like they do now!

Viva Les Historics!! ;)

[EightGear]

Meeke testing:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5ZaDPZ1b8c&feature=player_embedded

Sounds much better than the Fiesta. :)

[liposh]

I would like to ask our belgian (and other) friends for small favour. Do you think it is possible to stand during rally somewhere with great visibility (for example the car is visible well for 30 seconds or longer) record those two R5 cars and make some kind of simultaneous comparison or something like this? Many thanks in advance.

[mas-racing]

test Chris Meeke Peugeot 208 R5 : ERC GEKO YPRES RALLY 2013 TEST MEEKE PEUGOT 208 R5 (http://www.mas-racing.be/nl-17836-9986-erc-geko-ypres-rally-2013-test-meeke-peugot-208-r5.html)

http://i1354.photobucket.com/albums/q695/freddyzonnebeke/startfototestwoensdagieper2013_zps66a1adb2.jpg (http://s1354.photobucket.com/user/freddyzonnebeke/media/startfototestwoensdagieper2013_zps66a1adb2.jpg.htm l)

[dimviii]

, in another way it makes the R5 car at least as as unforgiving as the S2000 was, as soon as you lift the throttle you lose the boost, so you lose time. I think it will make drivers keep the throttle longer, try left foot braking etc... Also the difference between drivers will be bigger in these cars, I think.

I dont agree Tom with this.When a turbocharged car has no antilag is boring to see it out of slow corners,needs some tenths(depenting to rpms-gear-downhill/uphill,aspalt-gravel etc) to create boost,to see the car accelerate hard.At s2000 when you push the right pedal after a lift, you have instant acceleration.This is fully visible at the tests we have seen till now comparing r5 vs s2000 cars.S2000 cars are unforgivable when you use yhe engine outside their thin rpm powerband.Not when you lift the gas pedal.
it will be interesting if we could have some times at Ypres stages from r5 cars.

[Jarek Z]

You forgot 'the beer was cheaper' ;)

And entry lists better? ;)

[Jarek Z]

Wow, they bring some memories back...

Good! That means I managed to achieve my goal! :)

[Mirek]

I don't have sound at work so my feelings can't be affected by the much nicer sound of the 208. My feelings from the video is that the Fiesta is much faster now (which is understandable considering Peugeot is still still half of the year from homologation). I'm curious to see them both tomorrow on shakedown :)

[mousti]

Indeed Mirek the Fiesta looked faster than the 208. Also Neuville was more spectacular then Meeke.

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[RS]

I agree the Fiesta looks faster but the Peugeot sounds better. Still surprised they couldn't do better with the torque though. I guess it is exaggerated by having only a five speed box. Loix's Fabia looks spunkier than both at the moment, without a turbo.

[Jeppe]

I don't have sound at work so my feelings can't be affected by the much nicer sound of the 208. My feelings from the video is that the Fiesta is much faster now (which is understandable considering Peugeot is still still half of the year from homologation). I'm curious to see them both tomorrow on shakedown :)

Can´t agree more. Look´s like 208 is still ´raw´ and I think even times are hardly comparable to Fiesta R5...

[gianni123]

Test loix, tidemand, wagemans, De ridder

Test Loix, Tidemand, wagemans, De ridder - Ypres rally 2013 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLwZw6xX1Dg)

[sete]

now its sure i will be there,for my first time.

[vino_93]

And entry lists better? ;)

Can we say that this old time was better than IRC period ? Of course it looks better than 2013, but remember Abarth vs Peugeot, Skoda vs Abarth vs Peugeot vs Proton in 2009, Skoda vs Peugeot vs Proton in 2010, ...
Well 2009 was just enormous !
Juho Hänninen, François Duval, Giandomenico Basso, Kris Meeke, Guy Wilks, Freddy Loix, Patrick Snijers, Nicolas Vouilloz, Jan Kopecky, Pieter Tsjoen, Alexandre Bengue, and Thierry Neuville, all starting with S2000 (5 different brands !). 2010 was the same, 2011 was nice too, etc etc ...
That was just amazing, and never Ypres had a so nice field btw 1995 and 2004 :)

[Jarek Z]

Can we say that this old time was better than IRC period ? Of course it looks better than 2013, but remember Abarth vs Peugeot, Skoda vs Abarth vs Peugeot vs Proton in 2009, Skoda vs Peugeot vs Proton in 2010, ...
Well 2009 was just enormous !
Juho Hänninen, François Duval, Giandomenico Basso, Kris Meeke, Guy Wilks, Freddy Loix, Patrick Snijers, Nicolas Vouilloz, Jan Kopecky, Pieter Tsjoen, Alexandre Bengue, and Thierry Neuville, all starting with S2000 (5 different brands !). 2010 was the same, 2011 was nice too, etc etc ...
That was just amazing, and never Ypres had a so nice field btw 1995 and 2004 :)

Why are there so many people missing the old days then? ;)

[Mirek]

Because people always miss the old days. There is a text 5000 thousand years old complaining that the good old days would never return...

It's a natural behavior of human mind. The brain tends to memorize good and pleasant things and try to push away those bad or painful ;)

[liposh]

Mirek, maybe you are right, but I think it isn´t "THE POINT" nowadays, see this video (full) and think about it please: [1080P] Brooks Was Here - The Shawshank Redemption - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kotNxb2YApk) ....TOPIC ON ;)

[stefanvv]

Sounds much better than the Fiesta. :)

It is louder than Fiesta's, but for me it sounds like the exaust is broken. Fiesta just has that "powerful" sound, even more quiet.

[stefanvv]

I dont agree Tom with this.When a turbocharged car has no antilag is boring to see it out of slow corners,needs some tenths(depenting to rpms-gear-downhill/uphill,aspalt-gravel etc) to create boost,to see the car accelerate hard.At s2000 when you push the right pedal after a lift, you have instant acceleration.This is fully visible at the tests we have seen till now comparing r5 vs s2000 cars.S2000 cars are unforgivable when you use yhe engine outside their thin rpm powerband.Not when you lift the gas pedal.
it will be interesting if we could have some times at Ypres stages from r5 cars.

True, that's where the driver role comes in when there is lag, to keep the revs on deccelaration - just like in 80's without ALS.

[tommeke_B]

A few photos from historic shakedown:

https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/998365_633912679953955_984636424_n.jpg

https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/1005259_633912623287294_858074339_n.jpg

https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/947166_633912629953960_509698103_n.jpg

I'll try to upload a few photos on the facebook page of my website (http://facebook.rally-image.be), during the rally. Not sure if I'll have time to put something on the forum as well.

[EightGear]

True, that's where the driver role comes in when there is lag, to keep the revs on deccelaration - just like in 80's without ALS.




Heel and toe downshifts :up:

[stefanvv]

Heel and toe downshifts :up:

It's more like throttle :)

[Andre Oliveira]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/1045227_10151529348837987_713443451_n.jpg

[gianni123]

Shakedown Ypres Historic rally


Shakedown Ypres Historic Rally - 2013 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLXxqxtAKTk)

[rallyfanbelgium]

Shakedown Historic Rally Boezinge 2013 (26-06-13 porsche fire replay) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDcK_VkmumQ)

[mas-racing]

video shakedown Ypres Historic Rally 2013 : YPRES HISTORIC RALLY 2013 SHAKEDOWN (http://www.mas-racing.be/nl-17836-9991-ypres-historic-rally-2013-shakedown.html)

http://i1354.photobucket.com/albums/q695/freddyzonnebeke/startfotoshakehistoieper2013_zps2b19b610.jpg (http://s1354.photobucket.com/user/freddyzonnebeke/media/startfotoshakehistoieper2013_zps2b19b610.jpg.html)

[rallymen123]

Pictures Shakedown Historic Ypres Rally online on www.bvrallypics.be (http://www.bvrallypics.be/)

Shakedown Ypres Historic Rally 2013 « bvrallypics (http://bvrallypics.be/?p=580&wppa-album=137&wppa-cover=0&wppa-occur=1)

http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg25/rallymen123/sized_SDIeperhisto2013122_zpsa182cca5.jpg (http://s244.photobucket.com/user/rallymen123/media/sized_SDIeperhisto2013122_zpsa182cca5.jpg.html)
http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg25/rallymen123/sized_SDIeperhisto2013133_zpsc6809c24.jpg (http://s244.photobucket.com/user/rallymen123/media/sized_SDIeperhisto2013133_zpsc6809c24.jpg.html)
http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg25/rallymen123/sized_SDIeperhisto2013275_zps0efc517a.jpg (http://s244.photobucket.com/user/rallymen123/media/sized_SDIeperhisto2013275_zps0efc517a.jpg.html)
http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg25/rallymen123/sized_SDIeperhisto2013211_zpse017620e.jpg (http://s244.photobucket.com/user/rallymen123/media/sized_SDIeperhisto2013211_zpse017620e.jpg.html)
http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg25/rallymen123/sized_SDIeperhisto2013144_zps80414ae8.jpg (http://s244.photobucket.com/user/rallymen123/media/sized_SDIeperhisto2013144_zps80414ae8.jpg.html)

[tommeke_B]

Problems at scrutineering for Pajunen-Fiesta S2000, Vanneste-207 S2000, Fumal-DS3 R3 and Vermeeren - Evo 9 Gr.N. Vanneste because of older version of S2000 (not evo 2012), Fumal because of some font of the names on the windows (so minor issue), for the other 2 I have no idea...

[Andre Oliveira]

eWRC-results (http://www.ewrc-results.com/foto.php?e=11195&t=Test-Kris-Meeke-Peugeot-208-T16-%28R5%29-Ypres-rally-2013)http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2013/photos/test_kris_meeke_peugeot_208_t16_r5_ypres_rally_201 3/ajo_sized_img%2005.jpghttp://www.ewrc.cz/images/2013/photos/test_kris_meeke_peugeot_208_t16_r5_ypres_rally_201 3/ajo_sized_img%2009.jpghttp://www.ewrc.cz/images/2013/photos/test_kris_meeke_peugeot_208_t16_r5_ypres_rally_201 3/ajo_sized_img%2003.jpg

[rochey]

Why are there so many people missing the old days then? ;)

I can only speak for myself, but I find today's 'modern' cars mind numbingly b o r i n g.

No little Fiesta or Skoda etc. can compare with a fire breathing, roaring MKII Escort or even an awesome 037 or 911 RS sliding sideways through a corner.

This is because I remember rallying when it wasn't a minority sport like it is now and I remember coming to Ieper when the 24hrs Van Ieper was Belgiums' premier sporting event with tens of thousands of people attending. I'll never forget my first 24 hrs with the likes of Droogmans in a Sierra Cosworth, Snijers in a Celica GT4 and Marc Duez in the awesome firebreathing E30 M3. These cars get nowhere near those types of cars, no way.

In this case, the 'good old days' are just that...I think this is why more and more are turning their backs on the undoubtedly quick modern things, in favour of the more exciting 'old' things! :)

I suspect as there are alot of younger people who have grown up with the more modern cars, they like them because it's just what they are used to, as I am more used to the Better older stuff! ;)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

I can only speak for myself, but I find today's 'modern' cars mind numbingly b o r i n g.

No little Fiesta or Skoda etc. can compare with a fire breathing, roaring MKII Escort or even an awesome 037 or 911 RS sliding sideways through a corner.

I suspect as there are alot of younger people who have grown up with the more modern cars, they like them because it's just what they are used to, as I am more used to the Better older stuff! ;)

Couldn't put it better myself. The young people only need to watch the Historics or some old rallies on YouTube to realise we are right...

I just watch the current cars and rallies because I always have, but they dont really excite me unless they do a huge jump or they crash... ;)

[rochey]

Couldn't put it better myself. The young people only need to watch the Historics or some old rallies on YouTube to realise we are right...

HeeHee ;)

[Jarek Z]

Hey Mirek, are you reading this? Your theory has just been ruined ;)

[Jarek Z]

By the way, guys, I know the latest results. Michal Solowow is the third......... richest person in Poland in 2013 ;)
100 Najbogatszych Polaków 2013 (http://100najbogatszychpolakow.forbes.pl/)

[dimviii]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/q71/s720x720/1013022_440664852707795_595281165_n.jpghttps://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/q71/s720x720/1016066_581554565200564_1007362911_n.jpghttps://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/q71/s720x720/1016634_581554211867266_1430482428_n.jpg

[dimviii]

watch the new led lights
https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/q71/s720x720/1044678_10201326070931259_2100671866_n.jpghttps://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/1044913_349201441850160_1004702814_n.jpg

[RS]

The LED lightpods are a good idea, less wind resistance.

[dimviii]

includes Tiedman out of road.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=xQxJELseUXE#at=303

[OldF]

The LED lightpods are a good idea, less wind resistance.

And less power consumption.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

LEDS dont look as good as a row of Cibies though...

[makinen_fan]

The LED lightpods are a good idea, less wind resistance.

They look stupid though!

[RICARDO75]

STAGE CLASSIFICATION
QUALIFYING STAGE
1. LOIX / MICLOTTE - SKODA Fabia S2000 02:46.098
2. BREEN / NAGLE - PEUGEOT 207 S2000 +2.150
3. PADDON / KENNARD - FORD Fiesta S2000 +3.910
4. SOLOWOW / ROZWADOWSKI - FORD Fiesta RRC +3.958
5. BOUFFIER / VANNESTE - PEUGEOT 207 S2000 +4.908
6. TLUSTAK / SKALOUD - SKODA Fabia S2000 +7.500
7. AIGNER / HEIGL - SUBARU Impreza STI R4 +9.644
8. LEANDRI / GORDON - PEUGEOT 207 S2000 +10.085
9. ORSAK / VAJIK - MITSUBISHI Lancer Evo IX R4 +10.705
10. PAJUNEN / PERÄLÄ - FORD Fiesta S2000 +11.274
11. BONNEFIS / FOURNIER - RENAULT Mégane RS +13.110

*Times from Tsjoen and Consani, only on Free Practice 1

[liposh]

What happened to the funny duo Tsjoen-Casier? They drove first free practice but the didn´t drive qualification despite the fact of having "7" on the door.

[Rasantes]

What happened to the funny duo Tsjoen-Casier? They drove first free practice but the didn´t drive qualification despite the fact of having "7" on the door.
Broken engine :(

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Is Loix registered for the ERC, will he take points for the Driver's Championship ?

I assume not, so its important for Breen to finish to get maximum points. And no reason for him to try to beat Freddie and risk going off..

Not much to excite us then ? :dozey:

[mousti]

If Tsjoen Casier replace engine, 5 minute penalty

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[pantealex]

Is Loix registered for the ERC, will he take points for the Driver's Championship ?

There is NO register for drivers in ERC and they also give bonus points for every days result...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

There is NO register for drivers in ERC and they also give bonus points for every days result...

So if Breen finishes 2nd to Loix on both days he wont get 'maximum' points for the Championship ? This seems a bit unfair that a driver can just enter one event and stop someone who is doing the whole ERC season from getting full points ...

Ketomaa did the same thing to Breen in Latvia :(

[Juha_Koo]

This seems a bit unfair that a driver can just enter one event and stop someone who is doing the whole ERC season from getting full points ... :(

It's not unfair. The driver just has to be faster = no problems. :)

[mousti]

Game over for Tsjoen-Casier before it all begins. Looks that this is a Epic Fail project..

[Luis Pacheco]

watch the new led lights
https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/q71/s720x720/1044678_10201326070931259_2100671866_n.jpghttps://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/1044913_349201441850160_1004702814_n.jpg Looks something taken from "Star Trek". :D

[tolis]

:(
Pieter Tsjoen en Bernd Casier starten niet in Rally van Ieper - HLN.be (http://www.hln.be/hln/nl/955/Auto--en-Motorsport/article/detail/1659668/2013/06/27/Pieter-Tsjoen-en-Bernd-Casier-starten-niet-in-Rally-van-Ieper.dhtml)

[Mirek]

Hey Mirek, are you reading this? Your theory has just been ruined ;)

How to say that... in any fast section the old cars are looking like a slow motion. The world has changed ;)

I can not type on the Belgian keyboard of Tommeke so very short impression from shakedown. The R5 was quite a disappointment for me. By the way have You seen some times of them? According to what a friend of wwbroe measured by stop watch Meeke fas faster than Neuville (!) and Freddy was basically on same pace as Meeke.

[Kurt L.]

Some pictures i took from the Shakedown

https://plus.google.com/photos/100842182525832136667/albums/5894283760851379713

[bluuford]

So if Breen finishes 2nd to Loix on both days he wont get 'maximum' points for the Championship ? This seems a bit unfair that a driver can just enter one event and stop someone who is doing the whole ERC season from getting full points ...

Ketomaa did the same thing to Breen in Latvia :(

You are a bit annoying with "Breen hype" already. Copying all press releases and little hype is OK, but putting the blame on those drivers who are faster than your favourite driver but do not have such funding to drive every rally is a bit rediculous.

[mas-racing]

video shakedown ERC Geko Ypres Rally 2013 : ERC GEKO YPRES RALLY 2013 SHAKEDOWN (http://www.mas-racing.be/nl-17836-9998-erc-geko-ypres-rally-2013-shakedown.html)

http://i1354.photobucket.com/albums/q695/freddyzonnebeke/startfotoshakeercieper2013_zps7ea75372.jpg (http://s1354.photobucket.com/user/freddyzonnebeke/media/startfotoshakeercieper2013_zps7ea75372.jpg.html)

[Hartusvuori]

So if Breen finishes 2nd to Loix on both days he wont get 'maximum' points for the Championship ? This seems a bit unfair that a driver can just enter one event and stop someone who is doing the whole ERC season from getting full points ...

Forgetting the good old days now?

[tommeke_B]

http://www.autonews-magazine.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/dsc-8358.jpg

[liposh]

According to what a friend of wwbroe measured by stop watch Meeke fas faster than Neuville (!) and Freddy was basically on same pace as Meeke.
If I am right FIA would like to bury the old S2000 and S2000 1,6T cars, so if R5 would not be fast enough the restrictor will be changed about 1 mm.

Fast Eddie WRC: Please stop it, You can do better than this. If somebody can win rally he do best job and logically gets all points.

[rallymen123]

Pictures Shakedown Geko Ypres Rally online on bvrallypics (http://www.bvrallypics.be)

http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg25/rallymen123/sized_SDIeper2013292_zpsef07a74e.jpg (http://s244.photobucket.com/user/rallymen123/media/sized_SDIeper2013292_zpsef07a74e.jpg.html)
http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg25/rallymen123/sized_SDIeper2013204_zps9123e17f.jpg (http://s244.photobucket.com/user/rallymen123/media/sized_SDIeper2013204_zps9123e17f.jpg.html)
http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg25/rallymen123/sized_SDIeper2013113_zps308b285a.jpg (http://s244.photobucket.com/user/rallymen123/media/sized_SDIeper2013113_zps308b285a.jpg.html)
http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg25/rallymen123/sized_SDIeper2013064_zpsa9154303.jpg (http://s244.photobucket.com/user/rallymen123/media/sized_SDIeper2013064_zpsa9154303.jpg.html)
http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg25/rallymen123/sized_SDIeper2013021_zps9f3335b5.jpg (http://s244.photobucket.com/user/rallymen123/media/sized_SDIeper2013021_zps9f3335b5.jpg.html)

[zajic]

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2013/1165/1165_geko_ypres_rally_75e1e6471d.jpghttp://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2013/1165/1165_geko_ypres_rally_874732a8c7.jpghttp://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2013/1165/1165_geko_ypres_rally_c8e3ac9028.jpgMore pictures from shakedown HERE (http://www.rally-mania.cz/photogallery.php?id=1165)

[Mintexmemory]

Well given Tsoen's retirement record over the last 5 years, I suspected he would wreck a number of pickem choices. Just didn't expect it would happpen before SS1!

[RS]

If I am right FIA would like to bury the old S2000 and S2000 1,6T cars, so if R5 would not be fast enough the restrictor will be changed about 1 mm.


They will get faster with time for sure. I guess the latest Fabia S2000 must be at least 2s/km faster than the first Fiat Punto S2000s?

I hope that as the R5 get faster they become a bit more spectacular too. I am confident, we have seen the most of the Ford, and all turbocharged Ford rally cars recently have been amongst the most boring with hovercraft handling and very quiet, muffled engines.

[Jarek Z]

So if Breen finishes 2nd to Loix on both days he wont get 'maximum' points for the Championship ? This seems a bit unfair that a driver can just enter one event and stop someone who is doing the whole ERC season from getting full points ...


It's not unfair. It's called sporting competition :)

[RS]

Qualifying stage and R5 footage: Event Videos' Gallery - ERC European Rally Championship - Eurosport (http://www.fiaerc.com/videogallery/list/id/7)

[dupanton]

Some pics of me on http://www.facebook.com/tacrally , both Historic and ERC:

https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s720x720/1011433_480113615401118_1285642696_n.png
https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/1044819_480113152067831_2064259545_n.png


For me, Shakedown/Qualifying was a disappointment. Not much cars running, so quite boring... For me, Breen looked faster then Loix, more aggressive. But obviously, the timing told something else... Meeke was full attack, Neuville not that much. A pity Tsjoen/Casier broke another engine... I guess the problems for Consani will be fixed before the start. I heard Vanneste was goign to France yesterday evening to get a Evo2012 kit so he could start...

[noel157]

Meeke testing:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-T-5TLvP45Y

[Andre Oliveira]

Shakedown photos at eWRC-results.com (http://www.ewrc-results.com/foto.php?e=7312&t=Geko-Ypres-Rally-2013)

http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2013/photos/geko_ypres_rally_2013/rba_t162.jpghttp://www.ewrc.cz/images/2013/photos/geko_ypres_rally_2013/rba_r52.jpghttp://www.ewrc.cz/images/2013/photos/geko_ypres_rally_2013/rba_2.jpg

[Kielder]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BN1oFQ3CcAAtQUv.jpg:large



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBuwh0SwhPs&feature=youtu.be

[Hartusvuori]

Julian Porter ‏@The_Rally_Guru (https://twitter.com/The_Rally_Guru) 3m (https://twitter.com/The_Rally_Guru/status/350551365786939392) Completely unofficial but from a good source - Fiesta R5 time over the shakedown stage 2.45.27 Peugeot T16 - 2.48.? Loix - 2.46.098

From Twitter.

[sindroms]

Julian Porter ‏@The_Rally_Guru (https://twitter.com/The_Rally_Guru)Completely unofficial but from a good source - Fiesta R5 time over the shakedown stage 2.45.27 Peugeot T16 - 2.48.? Loix - 2.46.098

[Hartusvuori]

Julian Porter ‏@The_Rally_Guru (https://twitter.com/The_Rally_Guru) 3m (https://twitter.com/The_Rally_Guru/status/350551365786939392) Completely unofficial but from a good source - Fiesta R5 time over the shakedown stage 2.45.27 Peugeot T16 - 2.48.? Loix - 2.46.098

From Twitter.

And Porter continues: "An update on last nights times, Peugeot T16 - 2.45.6 was their best."

[rochey]

Whilst I am a bit biased towards the Historics, I must say I do love the shape of that Fiesta, and I am very pleased to see Peugeot putting the old T16 type livery on their cars again!

[Juha_Koo]

Onboard Loix/Miclotte @ QS.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QX9wmBptFe0

[PLuto]

Start list to the first leg - Geko Ypres Rally 2013 - Start order - leg 1 - Rally-Base (http://rally-base.com/2013/geko-ypres-rally-2013/start-list/?startTimeTypeId=330)

[Jarek Z]

LEDS dont look as good as a row of Cibies though...

Yes, the old style lamps looked more brutal.

What do you prefer?

This

https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/1044913_349201441850160_1004702814_n.jpg

or this?

https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/180371_138394522891126_583435_n.jpg

:)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Hope you all enjoy the boring Kopecky parade to the title then.

Rubbish if his only opponent cant even win when he's not there due to one rally specialidts.

[noel157]

Hope you all enjoy the boring Kopecky parade to the title then.

Rubbish if his only opponent cant even win when he's not there due to one rally specialidts.

An honest question, you think Breen would win if Loix wasn't entered?

[noel157]

Yes, the old style lamps looked more brutal.

What do you prefer?

This

https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/1044913_349201441850160_1004702814_n.jpg


Wonder how long the side lamps would last when the driver starts cutting? Especially on a gravel event.

[Jarek Z]

I'm very happy that VW Polos S2000 can still be seen on European stages. It was one of my favourite S2000 cars in the history. Looked great from the front:

http://img.fotocommunity.com/photos/15672718.jpg

[mousti]

An honest question, you think Breen would win if Loix wasn't entered?

Yes, but anyways Fast Eddie your thoughts are wrong, in WRC and IRC they also let every driver get points so what's the problem...

[joeyz_f1]

Hope you all enjoy the boring Kopecky parade to the title then.

Rubbish if his only opponent cant even win when he's not there due to one rally specialidts.
Not sure if trolling or hates rally racing.

[noel157]

Yes, ...........

Not so sure. Freddy or not, Breen will not find it easy.

[dimviii]

best Ypres video i ve ever seen

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=gclV3aqZOoU

[dimviii]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=d8JQ4wUBrBM#at=109

[Francis44]

best Ypres video i ve ever seen

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=gclV3aqZOoU

Im pretty sure one of the girls dancing is not a girl.

[dimviii]

http://img560.imageshack.us/img560/5913/apgy.jpghttp://img15.imageshack.us/img15/8562/nyt6.jpghttp://horizonrallye.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/img_5874.jpg?w=1000&h=https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/q77/s720x720/1017620_469564183135924_1996426885_n.jpg

[dimviii]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/q80/s720x720/1043872_469564586469217_1377957776_n.jpghttps://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/q71/s720x720/1045247_390471164390347_1811568876_n.jpghttps://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/q71/s720x720/7171_10201329799384468_718484237_n.jpg

[dimviii]

Im pretty sure one of the girls dancing is not a girl.

We have to sent Tom and Mirek to find out. :D

[Kielder]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/1010502_589227797774200_1976232785_n.jpg

[dimviii]

thats a CUT!

[PLuto]

I'm very happy that VW Polos S2000 can still be seen on European stages. It was one of my favourite S2000 cars in the history. Looked great from the front:

I am afraid that this is one of the last starts of this car...

[PLuto]

First stage is going live: Geko Ypres Rally 2013 - Results - Rally-Base (http://rally-base.com/2013/geko-ypres-rally-2013/)

[Nornbugger]

Hope you all enjoy the boring Kopecky parade to the title then.

Rubbish if his only opponent cant even win when he's not there due to one rally specialidts.

your rantings are doing Breen no favours, winners win, Breen has done well this season so far but on balance to date Kopecky deserves to be ahead in the championship

[dimviii]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/q71/s720x720/1010749_10151681795834507_1849018616_n.jpghttps://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/q75/s720x720/9038_10151681810064507_1638773979_n.jpghttps://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/q77/s720x720/1045227_10151681816634507_1492911166_n.jpghttps://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/q71/s720x720/7937_10151681826134507_459324675_n.jpg

[Kielder]

Ypres 2013:

a) Theory:
A Zero car is a car used in rallying to open the road for the competing cars. It has a couple of purposes:

so that the public is not surprised by the first car and [/*:m:23e7gele]
so that its driver can warn the organization if there is a problem on the stage. [/*:m:23e7gele]
b) Practice:
M-Sport ‏@DovenbyHall (https://twitter.com/DovenbyHall) First stage in Ypres went well for Thierry and the R5, but he caught another zero car which lost him some significant time.

:)

[dimviii]

from Julians twitter
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BN2yDS2CMAAE-_K.jpg:large

[Kielder]

Consani rolled in the last km of SS1. His rally has ended. :(

[dimviii]

(14 - Consani Robert / Klinger Nicolas): rolled

[dimviii]

after stage 2
Kris Meeke (Peugeot 208 T16): It's incredibly slippery, I never saw this in Ypres. We have to be careful. http://c340954.r54.cf1.rackcdn.com/flash.gif Thierry Neuville (Ford Fiesta R5): Good, but I took it carefully, in the previous stage we caught the double-zero car. We are working with the setup.

[Kielder]

Finally, Consani finishes SS1 with a time of 17:41.4

[Kielder]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BN28hGgCMAA0g6d.jpg:large

[Kielder]

The drivers, especially Loix, aren't happy with Neville and Meeke because they are cutting like they are competing.

[WUff1]

The drivers, especially Loix, aren't happy with Neville and Meeke because they are cutting like they are competing.

Well, Meeke´s car is also looking like he is competing :D

[dimviii]

The drivers, especially Loix, aren't happy with Neville and Meeke because thet are cutting like they are competing.

unfair as he pushed at qualify to gain the clean road.

[makinen_fan]

unfair as he pushed at qualify to gain the clean road.

unfair but what have they expected them to do? drive around like the zero car? it is a fail by the organisers IMO, they should have run behind the leading entries so they dont mess the road in front of them.

[dimviii]

yes thats life some times!

[Medved]

Orsák - https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/931221_642500805779679_1009229017_n.jpg

[Jeppe]

Any indications why Pajunen did not start in SS2??

[noel157]

I wonder if Freddy cares about the crews behind him who have to get through the corners he's cut?
Stop whinging Freddy and get on with it.

Orsak: "look how muddy this corner is":

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BN3ES-nCcAAAVhk.jpg

More gravel than mud I think, no?

[Juha_Koo]

I wonder if Freddy cares about the crews behind him who have to get through the corners he's cut?
Stop whinging Freddy and get on with it.

Guys behind Freddy are competing. Zero cars are not.

[noel157]

Any indications why Pajunen did not start in SS2??

Accident early in SS2.

[noel157]

Guys behind Freddy are competing. Zero cars are not.

They are not zero cars according to the organisers, VIP cars apparently. Sweepers, driving at rally speed.

[Mintexmemory]

Solowow and Tlustak running in the top 10 after. 3 stages - I suppose someone will tell me how much they've improved rather than the standard of competition declining! Meanwhile Breen is doing a great job in comparison to everyone but the super Freds

Update Melissa has ousted Tlustak but my point remains

[noel157]

Meeke back to service to replace a few panels instead of doing SS3.

http://distilleryimage3.ak.instagram.com/fa06ecfae01611e290de22000a1f97ef_7.jpg

[Jeppe]

Accident early in SS2.

Got new info directly from Ieper about Pajunen:
Some technical probs already in the SS1 and they never started to SS2... Re-start tomorrow.

[WUff1]

Solowow and Tlustak running in the top 10 after. 3 stages - I suppose someone will tell me how much they've improved rather than the standard of competition declining! Meanwhile Breen is doing a great job in comparison to everyone but the super Freds

Update Melissa has ousted Tlustak but my point remains

I can´t agree about Solowow, being third in 2011 and fifth in 2012 - and showing good results not only at Ypres Rally in the past.

eWRC-results.com - profile Michal Solowow (http://www.ewrc-results.com/profile.php?p=106&t=Michal-Solowow)

[noel157]

Got new info directly from Ieper about Pajunen:
Some technical probs already in the SS1 and they never started to SS2... Re-start tomorrow.

Thanks, Read somewhere that Mikko had an accident, good that he's out again in the morning.

[Jarek Z]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BN28hGgCMAA0g6d.jpg:large

It definitely is a zero car. He stopped to warn the organization that there is a problem on the stage. :D

[Jarek Z]

I can´t agree about Solowow, being third in 2011 and fifth in 2012 - and showing good results not only at Ypres Rally in the past.


Exactly, you may call him a businessman driver, but definitely a fast one. Being in top 10 in Ypres is nothing new for him.

[Jarek Z]

In the meantime Fast Freddy wins 4 out of 4 stages. Is he going to win all of them?

[RS]

Onboard Loix/Miclotte @ QS.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QX9wmBptFe0

I fear we are going to miss these singing engines when the R5 era takes over :(

[WUff1]

Breen must at least finish third to score points for ERC classement - a task which hasn´t become easier after SS 5 - and there´s still one more SS before night service ... now it get´s interesting.

[Jarek Z]

Breen must at least finish third to score points for ERC classement

Are you sure of that? I think that being in top 5 is enough to score points for one leg?

[Fiat-131-Abarth]

Great time by Aigner.

[Jarek Z]

Wow! Paddon fastest on SS6! :O

[WUff1]

Are you sure of that? I think that being in top 5 is enough to score points for one leg?

Bonus points OK, but for general classement only the best 4 results for the first 6 rallys of the season count. He has been 2nd three times (Latvia, Canarias, Azores) and 4th at Corse - so that´s already 4 results and he must score better than 4th this time for scoring points for general classement - otherwise only the bonus points count as far as I know.

[stefanvv]

Have you seen onboard of a zero car :D - ERC YPRES Neuville onboard - Video Gallery - ERC European Rally Championship - Eurosport (http://www.fiaerc.com/videogallery/detail/id_event/7/id/146/t/ERC-YPRES-Neuville-onboard)

[Jarek Z]

Bonus points OK, but for general classement only the best 4 results for the first 6 rallys of the season count. He has been 2nd three times (Latvia, Canarias, Azores) and 4th at Corse - so that´s already 4 results and he must score better than 4th this time for scoring points for general classement - otherwise only the bonus points count as far as I know.

Very precise information! Thanks! :up:

[EightGear]

Anyone seen Van der Marel's times from SS 5 and 6? :)

[noel157]

Anyone seen Van der Marel's times from SS 5 and 6? :)

He's going well, has a chance of catching Baugnet in the Peugeot.

Paddon is in a car he's not familiar with, that and first time in Ypres but he seems to be getting the hang of things.
Should improve tomorrow.

[EightGear]

Day one on Eurosport now.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Breen has done well this season so far but on balance to date Kopecky deserves to be ahead in the championship

I never said anything against Kopecky, he's the best driver and playing a smart game picking the right rallies.

But it makes for a boring Championship 'battle' when someone might at least challenge him but cant due to others picking up the top points with one-off appearances.

I expect Kopecky to win the title but this makes it so easy and no excitement.

Today Breen has tried to match the 'Ypres-master', Loix, and has damaged his car. Maybe he should just have settled for an easy 2nd place but no, he wants to win and credit to him for that. If the Drivers registered for Championship points then it wouldnt be necessary to risk all to beat Loix.

[adr17]

un confirmed reports from the stages is neuville quickest on all bar 1 stage
and one stage 15 secs quicker than loix
interesting

[noel157]

Consani's off:

Geko Ypres rally 2013 - Crash Consani Mégane R4 [HD-Pure sound] By Devillersvideo - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvuE9Ki3iwk)

And Bestofrallylive's day 1 (with Ari the spectator..):

Day 1 - 2013 ERC Geko Ypres Rally - Best-of-RallyLive.com - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlCBi1jXjzI)

[mousti]

I don't want to find out LOL. Rally already decided. Like expected could Breen only follow Loix, pity of the problems. Bouffier dissapointing times. Good stuff from Kobus, Tidemand !

Pyck Gr N BRC leader got a bad number and started behind a slow Vatanen, Catched him a lot of times.
Sent from my HTC Desire X using Tapatalk 2

[Vaggelis27]

Geko Ypres rally 2013 - Crash Consani Mégane R4 [HD-Pure sound] By Devillersvideo - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvuE9Ki3iwk)

[Tom206wrc]

What happened to Molly Taylor and PJM Cracco :confused:

[mas-racing]

video of day 1 with crash of Robert Consani : ERC GEKO YPRES RALLY 2013 DAG 1 + CRASH ROBERT CONSANI (http://www.mas-racing.be/nl-17836-10001-erc-geko-ypres-rally-2013-dag-1-crash-robert-consani.html)

http://i1354.photobucket.com/albums/q695/freddyzonnebeke/startfotoercvrijdagieper2013_zps6e494fd4.jpg (http://s1354.photobucket.com/user/freddyzonnebeke/media/startfotoercvrijdagieper2013_zps6e494fd4.jpg.html)

[WUff1]

What happened to Molly Taylor and PJM Cracco :confused:

and Lukacs Kornel?

Only PJM Cracco is listed as retired?

[zajic]

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2013/1165/1165_geko_ypres_rally_2013_6ee5c59c47.jpghttp://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2013/1165/1165_geko_ypres_rally_2013_fad2a4de4a.jpghttp://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2013/1165/1165_geko_ypres_rally_2013_6071378fc6.jpgDay 1 in Ypres, more photos HERE (http://www.rally-mania.cz/photogallery.php?id=1165)

[ProRally]

Paddon is in a car he's not familiar with, that and first time in Ypres but he seems to be getting the hang of things.
Should improve tomorrow.

Or get sucked into the trap of Ypres and stuffs it.... time will tell