Wrc Rally Argentina 2013

[tfp]

enjoy your time , because it is for short. what are you gonna do from now on?

Watch sports cars, of course ;)

[Kielder]

Another extra difficult for Loeb on this rally was the many more kilos which were on the co-driver's seat :p :.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10151686408189155&set=vb.34740377056&type=2&theater


Oh yes!! Great :D

That's a good one, but pics like this are my favourite ones of this rally:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BJcZP4JCEAEtJuz.jpg:large (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10151686408189155&set=vb.34740377056&type=2&theater)

[dimviii]

I cant make bets with person who says loeb was faster in this rally

This is an exsuse,you just know that in France Loeb will win again.


And of course I am not so stupid to bet for final result in a motor sport

What a pitty,Loeb will have to rally at aspalt half year.Any brave antiLoeb to bet some beers?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Novik - off ! Lost 40sec .. :(


False information!
Just half spin!

Just saying what I heard/read :

iRally ‏@Official_iRally (https://twitter.com/Official_iRally) 'Novikov went off and came back on again, will have lost time....'

[Kielder]

Oh, no! Not again! Full on board cameras, one driver each time, please!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Viu17ybr6C4

[tfp]

Oh, no! Not again! Full on board cameras, one driver each time, please!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Viu17ybr6C4

Dont listen to him, he doesn't mean it really :D

We need more like this, just have a split screen and get rid of the view of the drivers please. And the split times in the top right corner, thanks :p

[stefanvv]

Any brave antiLoeb to bet some beers?

Well, I have nothing against Loeb personally, just think the greatness of his results is bigger than his actual greatness. Anyway 3 beers for Ogier in France. Even if I loose, which I doubt, I'll enjoy the show they'll bring :D

[Franky]

I cant make bets with person who says loeb was faster in this rally

And how would he be wrong with that? The fastest finishing driver wins the rally as it's been for many many many years. It's not the battles you have to win, but the war.

[A FONDO]

And how would he be wrong with that? The fastest finishing driver wins the rally as it's been for many many many years. It's not the battles you have to win, but the war.

What war you win when the faster so far driver hits mechanical trouble and you simply inherit his place???????

This sport is not like for example athletics where everything depends on humans abilities at equal conditions.

[tommeke_B]

Dont listen to him, he doesn't mean it really :D

We need more like this, just have a split screen and get rid of the view of the drivers please. And the split times in the top right corner, thanks :p
I prefer seperate onboard videos, I have only two eyes and I can watch only one image at once.

[faateris]

Realy good that Loeb win Ogier, I hope he do that every time. :p

[A FONDO]

unbelievable, how many loeb fans popped up AFTER he suddenly appeared on first place, it was very very quiet here from monaco until that moment .must have been some very tough, frustrating months :) ))))

but the elders said it: what grows quickly, crumbles even more quickly :D

[Franky]

What war you win when the faster so far driver hits mechanical trouble and you simply inherit his place???????

This sport is not like for example athletics where everything depends on humans abilities at equal conditions.

Whose fault is it that you run out of ammunition in the middle of a war?

[wwbroe]

unbelievable, how many loeb fans popped up AFTER he suddenly appeared on first place, it was very very quiet here from monaco until that moment .must have been some very tough, frustrating months :) ))))

but the elders said it: what grows quickly, crumbles even more quickly :D

Where are the times that you weren't whining all the time on this forum? But you are lucky, it will be quiet again untill France :D

[tommeke_B]

"What grows quickly, crumbles even more quickly" - except stupidity, apparently.

@ Walter, Please stop quoting SlowSon... :)

[A FONDO]

Whose fault is it that you run out of ammunition in the middle of a war?

Could be the scouts, strategs, higher officers, even the supplying crew.

[A FONDO]

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[Kielder]

:bounce:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iGz2VwIj_M

P.S. I ask myself how that old bus managed to arrive there. :p

[skarderud]

Gracias Señor Loeb and congratulations for the win.
Now the question is, who will stop that streak of Sébastiens wins : Mads, JM, Mikko, Dani ?

Good question. Jml has the speed, Mads too. But a big if with the ford. Sordo on tarmac definately, maybe mikko in Finland?

[wrchirek]

Facts: Loeb took 68 points on three rallies, while Ogier 66. (Yes, I know that Ogier wasn't fighting for the victory in Argentina... Btw. Loeb wasn't fighting for PS win, and in MC there wasn't PS at all.)

So Citroen (and WRC) needs Loeb, he is the only one who can beat Ogier.



Gracias Señor Loeb and congratulations for the win.
Now the question is, who will stop that streak of Sébastiens wins : Mads, JM, Mikko, Dani ?


Neither of them, only a mechanical failure or an accident... If any of above will win a rally, he should be a lucky winner.

[tfp]

I prefer seperate onboard videos, I have only two eyes and I can watch only one image at once.


No way, friend :) split screen on boards are where it's at!

Imo lovers of good competition (like myself) don't watch wrc anymore to see who wins, the winners nowadays are pretty predictable. If its not a seb then it's probably no one.
lovers of competition want to see FIGHTING. For example, this rally it would have been Novikov vs Latvala, if they did this as a split screen, I would probably purposely not look at the stage times results and wait for the split screen vs video to show up online. That would suit me fine :D

[Franky]

Could be the scouts, strategs, higher officers, even the supplying crew.

Wrong, the man behind the gun.

[Kielder]

Dont listen to him, he doesn't mean it really :D

We need more like this, just have a split screen and get rid of the view of the drivers please. And the split times in the top right corner, thanks :p

I've never seen Seven Samurai and The Magnificent Seven at the same time. I haven't either heard Like a Rolling Stone by Dylan and the version by The Rolling Stones together. :p
After Portugal, three full onboards were published. I've watched Al-Attiyah's one through Santa da Serra several times. When I'm watching it, I don't need a split screen. What for? After some minutes the cars are at different points of the stage, there's nothing to compare. On the contrary, you can see the two others of Novikov and Mikkelsen through Loule separatedly. To me, it's better to compare watching one following the other. You can remember the mistakes Novikov had, where Mikkelsen pushed more than Evgeny, the different corrections of the co-drivers, etc. To me, an ideal situation would be to watch uploaded at least a pair of full onboards from each stage.
If we go further, to the classical onboards, it isn't needed a split screen when you are watching a McRae's onboard :) .

[stefanvv]

I also think split onboards have value. On this one above for example Novikov pulls ahead at the beginning, afterwards it is Ostberg who takes the advantage and you can see exactly how that happened. Of course it doesn't makes sense these to be between very fast and very slow drivers, but drivers whoi are in competition between each other, like Latvala and Novikov on last day or Loeb and Ogier at SS8 for example.

[RobertS]

Good question. Jml has the speed, Mads too.
Maybe on gravel.
For a real competition we need complex drivers...professionals, who are quick on any surface.

[dimviii]

Well, I have nothing against Loeb personally, just think the greatness of his results is bigger than his actual greatness. Anyway 3 beers for Ogier in France. Even if I loose, which I doubt, I'll enjoy the show they'll bring :D

ok 3 beers for France.You can sent me from tomorrow :D

[dimviii]

unbelievable, how many loeb fans popped up AFTER he suddenly appeared on first place, it was very very quiet here from monaco until that moment .must have been some very tough, frustrating months :) ))))

but the elders said it: what grows quickly, crumbles even more quickly :D

i don t know about who are the Master fans you reffering that had dissapeared,but i had wrote to you several times that he will ridicule him.
Wait to see France the right difference.
http://thehotchick.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/lion-and-kitten-1.jpeg

[A FONDO]

i had wrote to you several times that he will ridicule him.[/IMG]

You can write whatever you want, I will not bother with you anymore. I would rather spend my time in some local football forum with bonehead teenagers. My mistake to overrate you but I will not repeat it.

[dimviii]

You can write whatever you want, I will not bother with you anymore. I would rather spend my time in some local football forum with bonehead teenagers. My mistake to overrate you but I will not repeat it.

trying to avoid just 3 beers? :(
pitty that you haven t got the balls to bet against a lucky semiretired driver at his last rally. :(



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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BJd4LhXCcAEf80g.jpg:large

[Mirek]

Guys, could You please stop quoting Slowson? It ruins the function of ignore list...

[Puyan]

Nice to see the ds3 is not totally outpaced by the polo and hope the ford will came back to their pace of the begining of the saison.

Good job Loeb, even sligthly outpaced at the beginning he never give up and it pays.

[A FONDO]

Good job Loeb, even sligthly outpaced at the beginning he never give up and it pays.
Now this is one very accurate conclusion :up:

[faateris]

Problem is not with Ford. Simple boys in Ford are not very to drive in this level....
Nice to see the ds3 is not totally outpaced by the polo and hope the ford will came back to their pace of the begining of the saison.

Good job Loeb, even sligthly outpaced at the beginning he never give up and it pays.

[Rallyper]

Problem is not with Ford. Simple boys in Ford are not very to drive in this level....

Disagree. The Ford boys have enough pace but have to be more strategic and also need cars that not fall apart.

[andyone]

Guys talk like you have not been following rally for years.. we are not comparing cars here.. i think the cars have a good pace overall. its the drivers.. before the cars break down we see how fast the drivers are. Ford.. Novikov's car didnt fall apart. citroen did not outpace VW is loeb who got lucky.. if it wasnt for the mud.. come on guys we know how it would have panned out. lets wait and see whats next coming. and stop arguing like its Football..

[tommeke_B]

Disagree. The Ford boys have enough pace but have to be more strategic and also need cars that not fall apart.

They have the pace but they don't have the experience and aren't consistent enough yet. That should come with time, if your name isn't Jari-Matti. :D The cars don't fall apart by themselves... If Ford can keep their drivers (Ostberg-Novikov-Neuville) for next year, I think they have a brighter future than Citroën... :)

[dimviii]

:eek:
http://64.19.142.10/img199.imageshack.us/img199/6007/sanstitre1copiece.jpg

[Barreis]

Sebastien Ogier/ Full Onboard SS04 - WRC Philips LED Rally Argentina 2013 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbYbboVcADg)

[EightGear]

Sebastien Ogier/ Full Onboard SS04 - WRC Philips LED Rally Argentina 2013 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbYbboVcADg)


This is the stage where he took seconds out of everyone else in the last split.

[Kielder]

A few times an elaborate editing (and the addition of music) makes a rallying video better. This is by far one of them.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ul0oNzA0bIE

[tfp]

Disagree. The Ford boys have enough pace but have to be more strategic and also need cars that not fall apart.

What he said.

To save money this season MW has Ostbergs car held togethor not with nuts and bolts, but with super glue. That's why his fiesta keeps falling apart :D

we need another rally like Mexico except without the break downs, then we can see properly what Mad Mads can do.

[Co-driven]

Is there any link for days 2 and 3 highlights of Rally Argentina?

[A FONDO]

Is there any link for days 2 and 3 highlights of Rally Argentina?

Scroll down and choose: WRC (http://vk.com/wrcnews)

[adr17]

What he said.

To save money this season MW has Ostbergs car held togethor not with nuts and bolts, but with super glue. That's why his fiesta keeps falling apart :D

we need another rally like Mexico except without the break downs, then we can see properly what Mad Mads can do.

what a stupid comment , so portugal a roll and hit a massive rock in argentina ? and mexico was an alternator failure ,

the poor lad has no luck

and

premiership loeb , ogier

div 1 ostberg , mikko , jari

div 2 the rest

[Rallyper]

Falling apart doesn´t literally mean they brake down in peaces, just meaning they break down for example alternator failures, steering arms (for how many times now?), engine modes etz.

[Kielder]

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https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/253218_644117698938084_639072472_n.jpg

[adr17]

Falling apart doesn´t literally mean they brake down in peaces, just meaning they break down for example alternator failures, steering arms (for how many times now?), engine modes etz.

when the driver presses the button by mistake and runs in a lesser agressive map it very easy to blame others but you guys no best as always

[dimviii]

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[dimviii]

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[dimviii]

http://nsa33.casimages.com/img/2013/05/07/13050701365289087.jpg

[Barreis]

Confirms only that Loeb's still good.
World Rally Championship - News - Matton: ‘Argentina win confirms DS3 progress’ (http://www.wrc.com/news/matton-argentina-win-confirms-ds3-progress/?fid=18558)

[Rallyper]

when the driver presses the button by mistake and runs in a lesser agressive map it very easy to blame others but you guys no best as always

If you say so. I only saw Evgeni saying after the stage, he was mad at car just going on road-mode. If it was "sh*t behind wheel" that was a bad example of Fiesta falling "apart".

[Rallyper]

Confirms only that Loeb's still good.
World Rally Championship - News - Matton: ‘Argentina win confirms DS3 progress’ (http://www.wrc.com/news/matton-argentina-win-confirms-ds3-progress/?fid=18558)

Just waiting for the fight in NORF between Mikko and JML and Ogier... (and Ostberg, and Novi, and...)

[rallye-vid]

Ogier will win ... Not that i'm happy about, but i'm sure he will.

[Kuningas]

And Ford thought all these years that they had an inferior car to Citroen. All they had was inferior drivers.

[tommeke_B]

And Ford thought all these years that they had an inferior car to Citroen. All they had was inferior drivers.

They never thought that they had an inferior car... You think they thought... ;)

[RobertS]

JML & Hirvonen did not fail vs Loeb, vs Citroen only.
They failed to become professional WRC drivers. To become professional, who is competitive on all surfaces...
In the WRC, where the main threat is a complex pro' driver(s) who is fast everywhere.

Those drivers, who spent 2-3 full-seasons in WRC without real progress on tarmac, those are non-professionals or talentless.
JML & Hirvonen? 8-10 years in the WRC in work's cars...
Real pro's, real talents became competitive on tarmac very soon in their career - like Mr. Makinen. He was untouchable in the French Alps, he was really competitive in Spain, on San-Remo's asphalt etc.

Please, determine JML's work on tarmac as WRC driver:
Last year he had some nice(?) results on tarmac, after 8 years in WRC. Suddenly he can learn? What he did for 8 years? Professional work, hahhh...

This is the basic problem in the WRC. 'only-gravel-boys' in work's cars for a decade...

[Kielder]

What a "boludo" is, no doubt, many people agree :p .


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=AaKxi0213DY

More clearly:
https://www.facebook.com/video/embed?video_id=580213282010388
"That happens to you because you are a "boludo" :D .

[dimviii]

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eWRC.cz - Fotogalerie Philips LED Rally Argentina 2013 Federico Luna (http://www.ewrc.cz/ewrc/fotogalery.php?events=6535&fotograf=144)

[Rallyper]

JML & Hirvonen did not fail vs Loeb, vs Citroen only.
They failed to become professional WRC drivers. To become professional, who is competitive on all surfaces...
In the WRC, where the main threat is a complex pro' driver(s) who is fast everywhere.

Those drivers, who spent 2-3 full-seasons in WRC without real progress on tarmac, those are non-professionals or talentless.
JML & Hirvonen? 8-10 years in the WRC in work's cars...
Real pro's, real talents became competitive on tarmac very soon in their career - like Mr. Makinen. He was untouchable in the French Alps, he was really competitive in Spain, on San-Remo's asphalt etc.

Please, determine JML's work on tarmac as WRC driver:
Last year he had some nice(?) results on tarmac, after 8 years in WRC. Suddenly he can learn? What he did for 8 years? Professional work, hahhh...

This is the basic problem in the WRC. 'only-gravel-boys' in work's cars for a decade...

OK. I know your quote is only to get people angry, without no reason. Because the quote says only BS.

How about tarmac-boys not able to drive on gravel? Are they professionals, or not?

There´s only a couple of drivers who is top drivers on all surfaces. But still there´s much more drivers that are professionals.

[tommeke_B]

How about tarmac-boys not able to drive on gravel? Are they professionals, or not?
Can you name any tarmac-driver who is not able to drive on gravel, who is currently active in the WRC?

[andyone]

Apart from loeb and ogier.. Who can beat mikko hirvonen latvala solberg mads novikov.. :confused:

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[Rallyper]

Can you name any tarmac-driver who is not able to drive on gravel, who is currently active in the WRC?

I can drive fast on gravel, and many drivers competing in WRC who are fast on tarmac (or rather tarmac-specialists - or aren´t there any?) can, but never as fast as JML, Mikko, Mads, Evgenij...

[Mirek]

Apart from loeb and ogier.. Who can beat mikko hirvonen latvala solberg mads novikov.. :confused:

Just a little fix, Ogier was much more comfortable on gravel in the start of his career than on asphalt if I remember. Maybe he still feels better on gravel...


I can drive fast on gravel, and many drivers competing in WRC who are fast on tarmac (or rather tarmac-specialists - or aren´t there any?) can, but never as fast as JML, Mikko, Mads, Evgenij...

Tom was asking for drivers currently active in WRC. Who of them is asphalt specialist unable to drive fast on gravel? Sordo is probably the only one close to the definition but he was leading Rally Portugal few weeks a go...

[dimviii]

interesting article about vw handbrake.
Volkswagen WRC team stands firm as drivers push over upgrades - WRC news - AUTOSPORT.com (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/107267)

[dimviii]

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eWRC.cz - Fotogalerie Philips LED Rally Argentina 2013 Rodrigo Montecinos (http://www.ewrc.cz/ewrc/fotogalery.php?events=6535&fotograf=256)

[Barreis]

Citroen on Boca show...
Nagrada ? odlazak na Boca-River... @ AutoMotoTrend (http://www.automototrend.com.hr/vise.php?id=6572)

[tommeke_B]

Tom was asking for drivers currently active in WRC. Who of them is asphalt specialist unable to drive fast on gravel? Sordo is probably the only one close to the definition but he was leading Rally Portugal few weeks a go...
Exactly, I don't see any real asphalt-specialist in the current WRC (also I think it's partly because the calendar consists out of mostly gravel events, while years ago Catalunya was full-asphalt, there was San Remo in stead of Sardinia, there was the more demanding Tour de Corse in stead of Alsace etc..., and Monte Carlo has been off the calendar for several years). 10 years ago I would have completely agreed with the statement, you had drivers like Bugalski, Delecour, Panizzi, Sarrazin (not so long ago) etc. But now... Who is an asphalt driver? Thierry Neuville is perhaps the only one we could consider an asphalt driver. Some of his stage-times prove that he is not slow on gravel at all (expecially regarding that he was doing the events for first or second time, driving against much more experienced drivers).

[RobertS]

I know your quote is only to get people angry, without no reason.
This is your scenario only.


Because the quote says only BS.
Please do not start to go personal...we love the same sport...


How about tarmac-boys not able to drive on gravel?
Irrelevant generalisation.
I do not know any 'tarmac-boy' at top level in the given period, who had same 8 years comfortable learning period for gravel, like for JML & Hirvonen for the tarmac.
And became no.1 in their team...


Are they professionals, or not?
>

those are non-professionals or talentless.



Are they professionals, or not?
If you want to ride on the word 'professional', please do not avoid this:

Please, determine JML's work on tarmac as WRC driver:
Last year he had some nice(?) results on tarmac, after 8 years in WRC. Suddenly he can learn? What he did for 8 years? Professional work, hahhh...

Just for sample, one of the real professionals, Carlos Sainz in Sweden. Performance on snow is not really important, usually only one such event in the calendar. 1st Swedish start for Sainz was in 1995, early retirement(engine):

1996 - Makinen, Sainz, Mcrae
juwra.com**|**Rallies - Sweden 1996 final results (http://www.juwra.com/sweden_1996_results.html)

1997 - Eriksson, Sainz, Makinen
juwra.com**|**Rallies - Sweden 1997 final results (http://www.juwra.com/sweden_1997_results.html)

1998 - Makinen, Sainz, KKK
juwra.com**|**Rallies - Sweden 1998 final results (http://www.juwra.com/sweden_1998_results.html)

1999 - Makinen, Sainz, Radstrom
juwra.com**|**Rallies - Sweden 1999 final results (http://www.juwra.com/sweden_1999_results.html)

Most of these were harsh fights for victory. Vs Makinen, KKK, Radstrom, Eriksson...

Sorry, but what JML & Hirvonen did on tarmac for 8 years, that is non-professional or talentless...disgrace to the sport...

[Rallyper]

This is your scenario only.


Please do not start to go personal...we love the same sport...


Irrelevant generalisation.
I do not know any 'tarmac-boy' at top level in the given period, who had same 8 years comfortable learning period for gravel, like for JML & Hirvonen for the tarmac.
And became no.1 in their team...


>




If you want to ride on the word 'professional', please do not avoid this:


Just for sample, one of the real professionals, Carlos Sainz in Sweden. Performance on snow is not really important, usually only one such event in the calendar. 1st Swedish start for Sainz was in 1995, early retirement(engine):

1996 - Makinen, Sainz, Mcrae
juwra.com**|**Rallies - Sweden 1996 final results (http://www.juwra.com/sweden_1996_results.html)

1997 - Eriksson, Sainz, Makinen
juwra.com**|**Rallies - Sweden 1997 final results (http://www.juwra.com/sweden_1997_results.html)

1998 - Makinen, Sainz, KKK
juwra.com**|**Rallies - Sweden 1998 final results (http://www.juwra.com/sweden_1998_results.html)

1999 - Makinen, Sainz, Radstrom
juwra.com**|**Rallies - Sweden 1999 final results (http://www.juwra.com/sweden_1999_results.html)

Most of these were harsh fights for victory. Vs Makinen, KKK, Radstrom, Eriksson...

Sorry, but what JML & Hirvonen did on tarmac for 8 years, that is non-professional or talentless...disgrace to the sport...

You talk history of drivers in the past. Non of them drives WRC currently. Non of the ten top drivers in WRC today are talentless. You should choose your speach better.

[RobertS]

Non of the ten top drivers in WRC today are talentless. You should choose your speach better.
Do not remove my words from the context. It's unfair...
'talentless' - No one spoke in general terms >


Those drivers, who spent 2-3 full-seasons in WRC without real progress on tarmac, those are non-professionals or talentless.
JML & Hirvonen? 8-10 years in the WRC in work's cars...

http://www.motorsportforums.com/wrc/157787-wrc-rally-argentina-2013-a-28.html#post1130429


non-professionals or talentless.
These are not hard words in the context.
We have the real-talents with professional attitude to the sport, who became competitive on tarmac and gravel too: Makinen, Loeb, Auriol, Sainz, McRae, Ogier(?)
'only-gravel-boys' - they are in a different league...


You talk history of drivers in the past. Non of them drives WRC currently.
Sainz's performance in Sweden was a sample only. When somebody has professional attitude to the sport, when somebody is trying hard. He did not win in Sweden, but he tried seriously...

The problem is: JML & Hirvonen did not try on tarmac for 8 years. They did not attack even Sordo.


Non of the ten top drivers in WRC today are talentless.
OK, he has the talent. So, what was missing on tarmac at JML for 8 years? ;)



Please, determine JML's work on tarmac as WRC driver:
Last year he had some nice(?) results on tarmac, after 8 years in WRC. Suddenly he can learn? What he did for 8 years? Professional work, hahhh...

[amilk]

Sebastien Ogier claims VW gremlins robbed him of Argentina WRC win - WRC news - AUTOSPORT.com (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/107290)

Still needs to learn a lot for Ogier to become epic driver - style, loyalty to his team etc.

[stefanvv]

He was critical from last year, nothing new. But at the end he should, and seems to be happy after all what he achieved so far this year:

"..."In the end," he said, "this is a very satisfying result. We've scored 20 points and increased our lead, which is fabulous.

"If you bear in mind that the car is still very young, this is an excellent season beginning."

..."

[Kielder]

What a present! Loeb's onboard through one of the most spectacular stages of the WRC, El Condor-Copina. However, the camera could be better placed...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcwbexpPMAk

Although Latvala was 3.1 seconds faster there, I honestly don't need a split screen to compare them. :p

[makinen_fan]

As you said camera placement is s***, as always, but nevertheless amazing road

[dimviii]

Αndre Lavadinho at Argentina

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6sPIVRY7cSo

[Fomchenkov Andrey]

Photo Rally Argentina 2013 (http://www.rallysport.ru/gallery.php?album=289)

http://www.worldrally.ru/newwr/uploads/albums/big/024762550.jpg

http://www.worldrally.ru/newwr/uploads/albums/big/00001755936.jpg

http://www.worldrally.ru/newwr/uploads/albums/big/038793055.jpg

[Vaggelis27]

Ogier did the 3rd quickest time on ss3 only 4,7 behind loeb and he lost time because of sordo..If it wouldn't happen what time will he do?

[Mirek]

It was clear from splits he was loosing time to Loeb already before he caught Sordo. In my opinion 1-2 seconds don't play any significant role. Others also caught Sordo by the way.

[Vaggelis27]

It was clear from splits he was loosing time to Loeb already before he caught Sordo. In my opinion 1-2 seconds don't play any significant role. Others also caught Sordo by the way.
You never know...Maybe would push.Sordo caught him his rythm...