ADAC Rallye Deutschland 2013

[GigiGalliNo1]

I don't think that the WRC didn't care about telling us the news right away or that WRCLive didn't say it straight away.. perhaps as it has happened in Australia recently; when a driver or co-drive has passed/died - they cannot confirm it straight away until next of kin is told. You know, the closest person to the person who died (family, wife, child, husband, parents etc)

So the WRC officially saying it on the radio, or in a press release and the family finding out that way? How would you feel?

I can understand the news goes out so fast nowadays on twitter and the internet... the WRC/FIA maybe are respecting the family members and team members....

And I personally posted it online... but only to alert people of the stage cancellation...

[dupanton]

I don't think that the WRC didn't care about telling us the news right away or that WRCLive didn't say it straight away.. perhaps as it has happened in Australia recently; when a driver or co-drive has passed/died - they cannot confirm it straight away until next of kin is told. You know, the closest person to the person who died (family, wife, child, husband, parents etc)

So the WRC officially saying it on the radio, or in a press release and the family finding out that way? How would you feel?

I can understand the news goes out so fast nowadays on twitter and the internet... the WRC/FIA maybe are respecting the family members and team members....

And I personally posted it online... but only to alert people of the stage cancellation...

It happened around noon, so family will have been informed already for some time :)

[A.F.F.]

Really sad news from Germany. RIP :(

[PLuto]

according Citroen racing the SS14 is cancelled..Does anybody other news?

Still nothing official, only info from M-Sport and Citroen. But most probably it will be cancelled.

[HaCo]

That is a second double fatal accident on German ground in less than a month.

[r199]

Still nothing official, only info from M-Sport and Citroen. But most probably it will be cancelled.

My dad is Marchall on the platte, (ss14) thay are cleaning the stage done for today

[mousti]

If the rally continues then we will have an IRC/ERC battle (very close between first and second) something that Neuville knows well. It'll be very interesting on Dhrontal tomorrow.

[dupanton]

An other competitor in Slowly's, said that a photographer and the codriver died, driver would be "ok".

[EightGear]

BTW Latvala is still 7th, Ostberg 9th. Long live Rally2.

[HaCo]

Latvala's very strange off:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=edQHI1cK-dM

[Blitzerflitzer]

German television sport1: due to an accident with two dead is the current rally interrupted. whether it will be gone tomorrow set is not yet known.

[focus206]

BTW Latvala is still 7th, Ostberg 9th. Long live Rally2.
I think they have still to receive +5 mins penalty for retiring, yes? In that case Al Qassimi would be 9th :vader:

[Francis44]

Terrible news :( . My condolences for the family of those who passed away. Rest In Peace.

[rallye-sport]

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[Rallying UK]

HIRVONEN: Video of Mikko Hirvoven driving past his stricken compatriot Jari-Matti Latvala and into 3º place on Rallye Deutschland 2013:

ADAC WTC Deutschlandrallye 2013 Waldrach - YouTube (http://youtu.be/DCvGqYZD5_Q)

[Rallying UK]

RALLYE DEUTSCHLAND: The interactive image of Day Three on Rallye Deutschland 2013 is now LIVE!

New videos will be added through the evening:

Rallye Deutschland 2013: Day Three Wrap - ThingLink (http://bit.ly/17aIDAv)

[HaCo]

Rallye-magazin is offline, to many visitors I guess.

[eestlane]

pic.twitter.com/xgcr9E8wnJ (http://t.co/xgcr9E8wnJ)
Official release from Rally Germany

[tfp]

https://sphotos-a-mxp.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/1146652_10151569539395754_1729434347_n.jpg


Apparently he already had damage from an earlier impact that caused this crash...

[J4MIE]

Sad to hear the bad news from Germany :( I have been at the Gina jump a couple of times but all we can do is guess what's happened.

[tfp]

pic.twitter.com/xgcr9E8wnJ (http://t.co/xgcr9E8wnJ)
Official release from Rally Germany

:( :(

[EightGear]

A Dutch crew... I expect some headlines to suddenly appear in the news any moment now.

[MikeD]

If Sordo win this rally I will be extremely upset. He has done nothing in this season that justify winning this rally. Neuville is the one who really deserve to win this, given his pace and performance this season.

I think Sordo will survive you being upset .... :rolleyes:

[eestlane]

+1

[bluuford]

Good barriers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4groImUA6I
Neuville steals some fire wood: ADAC WRC Rallye Deutschland 2013 - Neuville hits wood - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9XyuMmdviM)
Latvala stays in cold: ADAC WRC Rallye Deutschland 2013 - Latvala hits wood - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lb3SeQkyhAE)

[eib1]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9XyuMmdviM

[Jafry]

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2013/1186/1186_adac_rally_deutschland_2013_cac1817661.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2013/1186/1186_adac_rally_deutschland_2013_9e9013a2e9.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2013/1186/1186_adac_rally_deutschland_2013_9c76915119.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2013/1186/1186_adac_rally_deutschland_2013_6690219cba.jpg

More photos HERE (http://www.rally-mania.cz/photogallery.php?id=1186)

[dupanton]

Sad to hear the bad news from Germany :( I have been at the Gina jump a couple of times but all we can do is guess what's happened.

Someone written that they came in to the water upside down. No idea if that is correct?

[dimviii]

https://sphotos-b-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/q77/s720x720/1005375_510654135676028_1096801199_n.jpg

[eib1]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BScXZspIgAAIqMF.jpg

[dimviii]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=X784f3lBhdk

[Zeropt]

More footage from Latvala`s crashes:

1st:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Lb3SeQkyhAE

[dimviii]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=t69QXPQr6x0

[Zeropt]

2nd:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Fm6YBgz1zuA

[dimviii]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=BbQqU1r8F3U

[bluuford]

Looks like we are expecting cold winter in Europe..Neuville is trying to cut some wood everywhere .-P

[focus206]

If I get it correctly, Jari-Matti will start tomorrow in 10th place, right? There are still 5 minutes to add to his time (from +9:27 to +14:27?)

[Andre Oliveira]

No, the time is correct. A driver only gets 10min when retires on last stage of the leg, these time already have the 5min of Rally2.

[focus206]

oh, I thought you'd get those additional 5 mins anyway, I've never been good with SuperRally rules, thanks :)

[Astro83]

congrats to Tidemand for that brilliant win in JWRC!

But it's hard to be glad at this moment...

[bluuford]

If I get it correctly, Jari-Matti will start tomorrow in 10th place, right? There are still 5 minutes to add to his time (from +9:27 to +14:27?)
No, he gets 5+5 from stage winner. You get 10 minutes when its is the last stage of the day.When the stage is cancelled, then there is no penalty. So, withs ome crazy driving he can reach to fifth..

[dimviii]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=CZNDZEqvpiE

[stefanvv]

Latvala's mistake onboard:
WRC ADAC Rallye Deutschland 2013: Stages 12-14 ::: Free Sport Live Streams / Videos (http://www.laola1.tv/en/int/motorsports/fia-world-rally-championship/wrc-adac-rallye-deutschland-2013-stages-12-14/video/492-3354-130731.html)

[nafpaktos]

I dont know if this is the right topic to ask,but i dont know where to ask.if there is another topic to ask please remove my question.I've just read about the fatal accident in germany.some web sites support that the victims are the co-pilot and one spectator while other websites support the victims are just the crew.what is the true??thanks!

[darkstar]

driver and codriver died. that´s official from the rallye deutschland website.

[dimviii]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=TQhRZBGXQ1o

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Sad news from Germany... Spectacular jumps but one can imagine if the landing goes wrong...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=806q1q8zUyc

[makinen_fan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=TQhRZBGXQ1o
Brynildsen's Fiesta looks very soft and too high, almost like a gravel setup

[Hartusvuori]

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An update in the gallery: ADAC Rallye Deutschland 2013 (http://rallirinki.kuvat.fi/kuvat/ADAC+Rallye+Deutschland+2013/)

This is surely a day that would've been better not to happen. Our condolences to the families of those who died in the accident. Our beloved sport is dangerous but these things shouldn't happen.

We did three stages today in a relaxed schedule. First at Stein & Wein on a wall in hairpin left into right. No drama, but it was spectacular place. Watched until Kubica, then a switch to Panzerplatte. We did the same place as last year with view over two approaches and two left corners. This time they allowed spectators on the inside of the X, so it was different and more clearer view now. Nothing bigger there this year, few flat tyres or such. Off to Peterberg 2, and then the news started to pour in. First Latvala's retirement, huge disappointment but it soon got perspective after the worse news reached us. By then, WRC event was rather calm with so many retirements and more came in. Wiegand (see picture) came through with bent rear tyre. Also one of the JWRC crews span into the field there (it was the left hander with nothing behind near the finish of the stage).

One short day left. At least there's short gap between the first two. If the logic of the event continues, it should be Neuville for the win then.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Thierry Neuville interview:

“It was a difficult afternoon. Where we had the problem on SS12, I was already 20km/h slower than usual but I think we should have probably been another 20km/h slower than that! We were very lucky because it could have been easy to lose the whole rally there.

“Jari-Matti [Latvala] had brought a lot of mud onto the road which sent me sliding wide. We hit a log pile which damaged the exhaust and left us slightly down-on-power for the remainder of the loop. But I think we managed the situation well and we achieved the maximum in the circumstances.

“We are definitely going to push tomorrow and we will attack from the start. But we won’t take any unnecessary risks – especially if the weather is as tricky as it was this afternoon. We need to be clever and keep all four wheels on the road. It will not be an easy day, but we are ready to fight and give it our all.”

Good luck Thierry, I think we all hope you beat Sordo... ;)

[rallyfun]

Thierry Neuville interview:

“It was a difficult afternoon. Where we had the problem on SS12, I was already 20km/h slower than usual but I think we should have probably been another 20km/h slower than that! We were very lucky because it could have been easy to lose the whole rally there.

“Jari-Matti [Latvala] had brought a lot of mud onto the road which sent me sliding wide. We hit a log pile which damaged the exhaust and left us slightly down-on-power for the remainder of the loop. But I think we managed the situation well and we achieved the maximum in the circumstances.

“We are definitely going to push tomorrow and we will attack from the start. But we won’t take any unnecessary risks – especially if the weather is as tricky as it was this afternoon. We need to be clever and keep all four wheels on the road. It will not be an easy day, but we are ready to fight and give it our all.”

Good luck Thierry, I think we all hope you beat Sordo... ;)
Good luck Dany you deserve it

[dimviii]

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[PLuto]

Start list to last leg - ADAC Rallye Deutschland 2013 - Start order - leg 4 - Rally-Base (http://rally-base.com/2013/adac-rallye-deutschland-2013/start-list/?startTimeTypeId=356)

[Langdale Forest]

Sordo or Nuville to win tomorrow?

[dimviii]

excellent video with well choosen spots

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=hERL8-pJiR4#t=209

[tommeke_B]

A brief review from today...

First of all my condolences to friends and families of the victims...

We started the day with a fast place on SS Stein & Wein (see photo of Neuville), had quite a good overview, seeing 3 proper corners. It was clear that Latvala had an advantage by being first on the road, he did a huge cut in the corner, and threw a lot of dust on the road. Nobody managed to get the same speed as he had in that corner. Hayden Paddon was very fast but had some moment only 2 corners after us, we could see him going in sideways and heard a lot of noise from the tyres, but he kept it on the road. The second place was Panzerplatte (see photo of Riedemann), it was a combination of some corners. Fast right corner with cut into long fast left corner (photo) that ended with a little jump (for the fastest drivers) before going into another left corner with a cut. Very nice place to watch, especially DS3's were impressive (as on all places in fact). Then we went off to Stein & Wein 2, we were in some long medium right corner with a big cut. With the heavy rain it resulted in a lot of mud (see Paddon's photo). Latvala was struggling, Anttila holding the door... Sordo very fast there, he looked really confident in the slippery conditions. Some 100m after the corner there was some bump. It was interesting to see that both VW and DS3 were much more stabile than the Fiesta's there, Fiesta's were kicked in the air much more (especially Ostberg, but that was due to his driving line as well). There we left for Panzerplatte but had to change plans after we heard the unfortunate news...

Something else, we've seen the gravel crew of Andreas Mikkelsen on the road section (which was already strange), and heard a rumor that they were working for Tidemand as Mikkelsen did not start. Gravel crews are strictly forbidden for JWRC... Anyone heard more about it?

https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/1146554_701378693207353_540058281_n.jpg

https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/1157660_701362323208990_1702292225_n.jpg

https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/1185366_701362993208923_2024619606_n.jpg

Tomorrow the last day. Let's hope for a great fight between Sordo and Neuville. Of course Thierry is my favourite... :)

[GravettFan99]

Hope all goes better tomorrow, my thoughts and prayers are with the families of the victims.

Good luck to Dani, after all of those podiums it is time for him to win a rally already!!! :D

[noel157]

A sad day indeed. Thought and best wishes to family and friends.

I know, to finish first you have to finish but crazy attrition rate today and Dani backs himself into P1. If Thierry beats him tomorrow Matton may well take a dim view. Perhaps France (perhaps not quite because of you know who....) and Spain will offer another chance but is he just buying time? Whatever happens, there's be one or possibly 2 new faces at Citroen Racing next season. I suspect 2 new faces......

[dimviii]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=WrwcpR8HxBIbetter view at Neuvilles exit

[dimviii]

http://imageshack.us/a/img13/665/tm8a.jpg

[dimviii]

http://imageshack.us/a/img534/5377/7lar.jpg

[Bartek]

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=590793550963461 Kościuszko "crash"

[Munkvy]

Good luck to Dani, I know a lot of people are hoping for Thierry to get his first win, but I can't help but feel for Dani - he has been waiting so much longer! Plus I feel he has driven a very smart rally, driven at his own pace and built up speed as needed, but kept out of pushing to the max and getting embroiled in the fight too soon.

Also very interesting to note that he was only person who seemed to enjoy the slippery conditions according to the end of stage comments? What is the forecast for tomorrow?

[stefanvv]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L87kB7LtA54

[6789]

^^ There's are really big moment at 2:45 in the above video, could have seen a couple spectators injured.

Hope for a good fight today, I must say I am a Neuville supporter today :)

[stefanvv]

Yeah, little dangerous footage

[Fiat-131-Abarth]

How are the weather conditions today?

[bluuford]

How are the weather conditions today?
There was no rain overnight on the stage. temperature is not very high (currently between +14..+15, later a few degrees more), clody, foggy, nearly no wind. No rain for today stages, most probably.

[6789]

How are the weather conditions today?

Malcolm Wilson just said on WRClive that there could be a chance of rain later today. TN on hard tyres for this first stage today

[dupanton]

Interesting information from WRR:
Split strategy for Sordo (4x Hards and 2x Softs) and Neuville (5x Hards). Rain predicted around noon.
So rain might decide the battle! With rain, I'm afraid Sordo will win it. But I want Neuville to take his first win :D Go Go Thierry and Nicolas!

Edit: Now they say Sordo is on 5x Hards anyway!

[dupanton]

Any chance for a livestream of the powerstage? :) As there was a german channel that broadcasted the finnish Powerstage, I hope there will be!

[René]

Good morning at all.
Exciting time this morning and that the best wins.
Fight you, kill you but stay alive...!

[6789]

Neuville up by 0.8 by the first split :D

[Langdale Forest]

Remember that Sordo will be more experienced in wet conditions.

[Integrale]

Remember that Sordo will be more experienced in wet conditions.
I doubt that :)

Edit: Sordo answers!

[MikeD]

Sordo responds - diff now -0.3 ... really exciting :)

[stefanvv]

It's gonna be close

[HaCo]

Classic IRC finish! I'm dying :-)

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[Langdale Forest]

Sordo is pulling away

[MikeD]

Neuville now -1.3 behind Sordo on split 4

[René]

Latvala???

[Integrale]

Will be interesting to see if Ogier breaks the times of Sordo and Neuville, who will be really in full attack mode on the last SS. Now he's taking it easy I guess.

Will there be a livestream somewhere of the powerstage?

My nails are gone.

[René]

If Sordo win this rally, will be a nice performance of Citroen in the Volkswagen garden.. :)

[amilk]

That will be not easy now for Neuville with 3 sec. There is no service between the two runs I'm right?
It's just shame that one of them will be dissapointed at the end - both deserve a victory (a quicker a bit more)

[Astro83]

And Sordo take it! Goood! :)

[Fiat-131-Abarth]

Look at Kubica's first split.

[amilk]

Look at Kubica's first split.

Ehhh- that's a big push, same than Hirvonen and Östberg etc

[T.Maanteiden kuningas]

VW is getting nice lesson in Germany. Citroen is doing great job.

[thuGG]

Robert said they backed off in the second part of the stage, pretty impressive time though.

[HaCo]

Actually, not. They are way faster than Citroen and Ford, just made mistakes, that happens. Unfortunately things will be boring again in France if you look at the times of Ogier here.

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[Astro83]

No one can match Ogiers pace when he is doing what he should! ;)

[traxx]

Do you know if the power stage is broadcasted on any channel, please ?

[René]

it's raining on stage now

[KKS]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=CZNDZEqvpiE
Kubica looks a level or two higher then rest of field. Neuville looks great too, but rest .... just cruising, not impress me

[Astro83]

Sordo is faster then Neuville so he would also impress you?? ;) ;) :D

[txl]

No one can match Ogiers pace when he is doing what he should! ;)

Well I can remember someone who could match him in France ;)

Kubica is doing very well in the latest rallies - different surfaces and conditions, first time for him, and very good performance. Could we see him in Citroen next year? :p

[Kielder]

After scoring twenty second places and more than thirty podiums, Sordo deserves this win. Maybe it's now or never. On the contrary, Neuville will win many WRC's rounds. Furthermore, if Sordo won, it would mean him finding a seat next year :) .

[Tom206wrc]

VW is getting nice lesson in Germany. Citroen is doing great job.

But VW gave a lesson to Citroën everywhere else(except where Loeb was present) :mark:

[Integrale]

After scoring twenty second places and more than thirty podiums, Sordo deserves this win. Maybe it's now or never. On the contrary, Neuville will win many WRC's rounds. Furthermore, if Sordo won, it would mean him finding a seat next year :) .
Sorry for being honest here, but would that be a good thing then? He only has something to offer on asphalt. He had time enough. Pretty sure Meeke is the better allround driver.

And please.. The one who deserves it, is the one who was fastest at the end of the rally. Sordo doesn't deserve it "because he's been waiting for it longer." That's just a load of bull... If he doesn't lose 3 seconds in the last stage, then he deserves it.

[HarriK]

was this here yet:
World Rally Championship Germany Piesport CRASH MUST SEE - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3nqh1XQEDg)

[focus206]

I don't know what I'd give to watch the powerstage live :D
very nice battle, and for sure we'll see some very happy faces at the end, maybe some happy tears? :D

[Tom206wrc]

Both deserve the victory in Germany, bull**** is to say Sordo doesn't deserve it ;)

[uranium]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L87kB7LtA54

IMHO a lot of places where people stading in very dangerous places :(

[KKS]

Sordo is faster then Neuville so he would also impress you?? ;) ;) :D

It's like Loeb drivestyle. They are fast but not looks impressive.

[Integrale]

Both deserve the victory in Germany, bull**** is to say Sordo doesn't deserve it ;)
Luckily I didn't say that.

And actually, Neuville deserves it more! Because he's Belgian! And we've been waiting for a Belgian victory for so long.

San Remo 1993, Patrick Snijers.
Corsica 1995, Bruno Thiry.
Catalunya 1998, Freddy Loix.

(Australia 2005 wasn't a proper one. I wasn't satisfied. :) )

[Astro83]

It's like Loeb drivestyle. They are fast but not looks impressive.

yea thats the way to go on tarmac! ;) if you slides and so on you lost time... but I understand 100% what you mean! :)

[Astro83]

Haha I cant understand you guys that says that Sordo not deserve the victory??? So much bull****... Both is worthy but I put my coins on Sordo...

I understand that you from Belgium want your countryman to win ofc! :) But dont be "childish" and say that Sordo not deserve it... bull****

[Francis44]

But VW gave a lesson to Citroën everywhere else(except where Loeb was present) :mark:

Minus Sweden.

[jonkka]

Children quarreling again...

[Integrale]

Haha I cant understand you guys that says that Sordo not deserve the victory??? So much bull****... Both is worthy but I put my coins on Sordo...

I understand that you from Belgium want your countryman to win ofc! :) But dont be "childish" and say that Sordo not deserve it... bull****

Sigh..

He deserves it if he passes the line faster than anyone else.

My comparison to the Belgians waiting for a proper victory was just pointing out to you how ridiculous it is to say that someone 'deserves' a victory more, just because he's been waiting for it longer. It has nothing to do with that. And you should know that.

[KKS]

yea thats the way to go on tarmac! ;) if you slides and so on you lost time... but I understand 100% what you mean! :)
On other way, especially on that video no more other carry much speed at corners then Kubica or Neuville. Sordo takes it easy. And footage and times of 1st,2nd, half 3rd day show it clearly.

[Astro83]

Sigh..

He deserves it if he passes the line faster than anyone else.

My comparison to the Belgians waiting for a proper victory was just pointing out to you how ridiculous it is to say that someone 'deserves' a victory more, just because he's been waiting for it longer. It has nothing to do with that. And you should know that.

Yea I agree 100% with you, it was some other guy from Belgium whobsaid that.
How some, I said that yesterday, If Sordo finish first, he deserve it like if that was Oger, Neuville or Östberg...

Rally is all about getting first place, who cares about mistakes or how fast you were un till you end up in a ditch...

What counts is to be in first place when you go over the finish line - thats rally..

I agree...

Neuville is bloody fast how some, really like him to as a person and driver.

[Kielder]

Sorry for being honest here, but would that be a good thing then? He only has something to offer on asphalt. He had time enough. Pretty sure Meeke is the better allround driver.

And please.. The one who deserves it, is the one who was fastest at the end of the rally. Sordo doesn't deserve it "because he's been waiting for it longer." That's just a load of bull... If he doesn't lose 3 seconds in the last stage, then he deserves it.

That's what I say, that my desire is that he doesn't lose lose three seconds in the PS. Maybe it would be the basis to recover the forgotten Sordo who was closer to Loeb on tarmac.
Moreover, half of the drivers who currently run on the WRC would would giver their eye's teeth for having the speed of Sordo on asphalt.
On the other hand, I haven't said anything about Meeke. That's what the f.....g Spanish press used to do to praise Sordo on the Mini era. It's as unfair as mentioning him now to undervalue Dani.

[Astro83]

On other way, especially on that video no more other carry much speed at corners then Kubica or Neuville. Sordo takes it easy. And footage and times of 1st,2nd, half 3rd day show it clearly.


Yea, I can't say anything whit help of a movie, "camera lies" you know?! ;) ;)

really good fight anyway, this is how it always should be!! :)

[mousti]

Neuville had a slow puncture it seems..

[mousti]

(Australia 2005 wasn't a proper one. I wasn't satisfied. :) )
Though it's the only real WRC victory we have in Belgium.

[Astro83]

Though it's the only real WRC victory we have in Belgium.

Just be "cool", I think Neuville will fight for the title soon if he develop in this "speed"... :)

[sollitt]

There are no unworthy winners!!

[A FONDO]

Come on Thierry, beat that loeb-servant and send him out of the sport :)

[Integrale]

A sad incident. I heard about Chardonnet hitting a dog on the stage, but now I read the story... Apparently, these spectators wanted to install a GoPro-camera on the side of the road 45 minutes before the first car came through. But the marshalls yelled at them and scared anyone away to guarantee safety. (When I see some of the videos being posted here, I have serious doubts about the choices some spectators AND marshalls make about their safety...)

But when the cars are actually racing, there is a dog (without owner apparently) who roams the street for 4 - 5 minutes. The dog is just walking there. I can understand you can't avoid a dog being hit by a rallycar when he's just running up the SS seconds before a car passes, but with two minutes between cars, they can scare a dog away no?


Trauriger Zwischenfall..

Wir stehen in den Weinbergen am Hetzerather Berg um die WP Moselland zu verfolgen. Wir möchten 45min vor Rennbeginn eine GoPro auf der gegenüberliegenden Seite positionieren. Die netten Menschen in gelbem Hemd, nachfolgend Marshall genannt, schreiten sofort ein, brüllen uns an, wir brechen unser Vorhaben ab. Der Gorilla schlägt sich stolz auf die Brust und die Menschenmenge ist gewarnt.. Streckensicherheit ist definitiv der wichtigste Punkt im Rallyesport, auch schon 45 min vor Beginn.. In den nächsten Minuten wechseln ausserhalb der Brüllreichweite der Marshalls noch einige Zuschauer die Seiten.. das ist ihm scheinbar egal.

Nach ca. 20 Minuten Rennbetrieb läuft ein scheinbar herrenloser Hund auf die Strecke, direkt an den Marshalls vorbei. Man schaut ihm hinterher als er geradezu auf der Piste auf die Kurve zuläuft, aus der die Autos mit geschätzten 120 kmh geschossen kommen. Ein Marshall trottet erfolglos hinterher, als der Hund, noch immer auf der Strecke, knapp vom nächsten Fahrzeug verfehlt wird. Die Menge (ca. 90-100 Zuschauer) schreit nun lauter zu den Marshalls, sie sollen doch etwas unternehmen. Man denkt: brecht ab, funkt es durch, rennt mit ner Fahne hoch, aber TUT WAS!

Das nächste Auto erwischt den Hund mit voller Wucht frontal, schleudert den Hund an die Seite. Das Foto möchte ich an dieser Stelle NICHT zeigen. Der Hund ist auf der Stelle tot, zu seinem Glück..

Der Hund ist ca. 4-5 Minuten vor aller Augen auf der Piste gewesen, es war also keine Sekundensache, für die niemand was kann. Warum stehen 3 Marshalls rum und nichts wird in die Wege geleitet? Weil es NUR ein Tier ist? Waren die Fahrer dadurch etwa nicht in Gefahr? Wie weit geht man dort??

Als die verständlicherweise aufgebrachte Menge sich lautstark gegen die Marshalls wendet, steht ihr aufgetakeltes Blondinchen vor den Männern und schreit die Leute an, wenn es ihnen nicht passe, sollten sie doch nach hause gehen.. Nee, Leute, das kann nicht im Interesse des Rallyesports sein???

Für die nächsten WP´s: Lasst euch nicht den Spass verderben, leint eure Hunde an und verlasst euch nicht auf die gelben M´s..

[Frostmourne]

With regards to Sordo vs Neuville argument. Looking at the whole season, Neuville was performing much better than Sordo, so in imho, he deserves this victory more than Sordo. Why I say that, given the countless rallies Sordo took part in compared with Neuville, we did not see any sign of improvment at all from Sordo. And if he is fast on asphalt, will, give him a seat on those events, and give the chance for real talents to have the seat for the rest of the calender. In general I think Sordo seat is a waste, there are alot of talented drivers deserve that seat way much more than Sordo.

On another note, does anyone know where to see the powerstage online? any links will be much appreciated.

[MikeD]

Sigh..

He deserves it if he passes the line faster than anyone else.

My comparison to the Belgians waiting for a proper victory was just pointing out to you how ridiculous it is to say that someone 'deserves' a victory more, just because he's been waiting for it longer. It has nothing to do with that. And you should know that.

I have never and will never understand why people support a driver just because the person has the same nationality as yourself. It's such a weird criteria to chose IMHO.

[Rallyper]

Sordo for sure deserves a win here. Neuvilles wins will come in the future. You Belgian guys and others have to be patient about that.

[D1sCo]

If Sordo wins, it will be a big slap on Citroen's face for doing bad things to him. I'm anxiously waiting for this amazing rally finale :D

[Juha_Koo]

Eight years. 107 WRC starts. 20 second places. 14 third places. Always loyal to the team and Monsieur Loeb. Sacked from Citroen because of younger, faster, French driver. Went on to Prodrive Mini to develop a very fast tarmac car and drove three podium placements to them. Team ran into financial difficulties - Dani lost his seat and became victim of politics once again.

Now, at this moment, only 24,58 kilometres of Dhrontal and Thierry Neuville stand between Dani's first win. Vamos Dani!

[amilk]

I think even a possible win here too late for Sordo to find a seat next year. Maybe if he win France Spain which will be hard seeing VW speed here.

[wrc45]

Sordo deserves to win here because he has been performing all his career and been second 21 times. I think that Sordo deserves it more. But still i hope Neuville wins...

[Integrale]

I have never and will never understand why people support a driver just because the person has the same nationality as yourself. It's such a weird criteria to chose IMHO.
You can also support almost all drivers. That is something I don't understand. :)

It's not so hard really. You're following him from his 18th year, when he drives a C2 over the limit in your own championship. Then he grows, so you keep rooting for him. And finally he delivers something. He doesn't even speak the same language as me (though he tries). But I admit that his nationality plays a certain role. "Neuville wil win many rallies..." I have a déjà-vu. The same was being said about a certain François. :)

Anyway, a bit of patriotism in sports makes it all the more interesting. Wait for World Cup 2014 :p

[Astro83]

With regards to Sordo vs Neuville argument. Looking at the whole season, Neuville was performing much better than Sordo, so in imho, he deserves this victory more than Sordo. Why I say that, given the countless rallies Sordo took part in compared with Neuville, we did not see any sign of improvment at all from Sordo. And if he is fast on asphalt, will, give him a seat on those events, and give the chance for real talents to have the seat for the rest of the calender. In general I think Sordo seat is a waste, there are alot of talented drivers deserve that seat way much more than Sordo.

On another note, does anyone know where to see the powerstage online? any links will be much appreciated.


I think you are very wrong in the way you "see it" but...

Rally by rally is the way I see it.

But I respect you anyway! ;)

I dont think they show i live sadly! :(

[D1sCo]

Will there be any live stream for the powerstage? :D

[mousti]

Gravel crew No 18, who could that be..? (Hartusvuori saw that passing by on Dhrontal)

[Frostmourne]

Why there will be no live stream of power stage? is not this the only stage is being televised live??

[Integrale]

Why there will be no live stream of power stage? is not this the only stage is being televised live??
Because ARD and ZDF are too busy broadcasting German 'schlager' singers on Sunday morning.

[mm1]

Because we have a new promoter this year :)

[sete]

i know that Dani really deserved this win,but my fingers are crossed for Thierry and Ford.

[René]

Go Dani and Thierry be brave and brilliant......

[sete]

yes hope both reach finnisch lane ok and better one will win!

[Integrale]

Here some videos I found on a French forum. While we wait for the first splits.. :)

Best of ADAC Rally Deutschland 2013 - Show & Mistakes by ToutAuCable [HD] - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=J4-fU9b6pWA#t=12)

And a spin by Kubica (Neuville already took that pole away there for him!):

Kubica SPIN - ADAC Rally Deutschland 2013 [HD] - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=G5jzpRd7BqM)

[Astro83]

Because ARD and ZDF are too busy broadcasting German 'schlager' singers on Sunday morning.

haha! :)

[Langdale Forest]

The last Spainish driver to win a WRC even was Carlos Sainz in Argentina 2004, the last (and only Belgian driver) to win was Francois Duval Australia 2005.

[EightGear]

5 minute delay and reverse starting order for the top crews, so some more patience is needed...

[René]

start delayed for 5 mn

[tfp]

When are the splits coming through....?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Nothing against Sordo but he is yesterdays man and had his chances.

The sport needs a new star for the future and a win here would launch Neuville and give him a big confidence boost to take on Ogier...

[Langdale Forest]

Are the conditions dry?

[René]

Start order: Ogier, Al Att, khalid bin faisal, Novikov, Ostberg, Latvala, Prokop, Mikko, Neuville, DaniSordo

[Astro83]

half dry/ half wet if that makes sence ? what I heard ...

[dupanton]

What ever everyone said here: GOOOOOO Thierry and Nicolas :D

[jonkka]

I have never and will never understand why people support a driver just because the person has the same nationality as yourself. It's such a weird criteria to chose IMHO.

It's tribalism, pretty common phenomena...

[focus206]

why the reverse order?
and how are the conditions?

[jonkka]

why the reverse order?

It's always so on power stage... To keep up the suspense.

[Integrale]

The last Spainish driver to win a WRC even was Carlos Sainz in Argentina 2004, the last (and only Belgian driver) to win was Francois Duval Australia 2005.
I know, after Loeb, Solberg, Gardemeister, Grönholm, Carlsson and McRae (RIP) gave up. Not something to be proud of :)

I'm hoping both Sordo and Neuville finish here. Hard tyres, wet spots, and points for grabs. Come on boys, keep it on the road, no Prokop on the podium!

[MikeD]

It's tribalism, pretty common phenomena...

Yes, I know, but it's still pathetic!

[EightGear]

why the reverse order?
and how are the conditions?

Power stage.

[KKS]

World Rally Championship - Results - ADAC Rallye Deutschland (http://www.wrc.com/results/2013/adac-rallye-deutschland/split-times/?stageno=16)
Sordo starts behind Protasov??? bad joke from orga. or gift to Neuville

[Brother John]

Stop here to say who should win here today, those who win today, it certainly deserves!!!

[Integrale]

World Rally Championship - Results - ADAC Rallye Deutschland (http://www.wrc.com/results/2013/adac-rallye-deutschland/split-times/?stageno=16)
Sordo starts behind Protasov??? bad joke from orga. or gift to Neuville
Yes.. Is that true? Protasov was 2'09" slower than Sordo first time through. Hope this doesn't have any effect on the result.

[dupanton]

Yes, I know, but it's still pathetic!

Just because there are no Danish rallydrivers, it doesn't make it pathetic...

I followed Neuville from the beginning of his career, seen him on stages with a little Fiesta ST, with the C2 and so on, to become the driver he is now. It is logical that I'am supporting him now. And I know Nicolas :p

[Astro83]

World Rally Championship - Results - ADAC Rallye Deutschland (http://www.wrc.com/results/2013/adac-rallye-deutschland/split-times/?stageno=16)
Sordo starts behind Protasov??? bad joke from orga. or gift to Neuville

If the latest start order is right, then it would be a big and bad joke.... ???

[Bartek]

Great first split for Ogier, 3 seconds better than Sordo in first stage

[focus206]

oh right, I forgot about the power stage...

[Astro83]

now its right again!! big fight now!!! :P

[Duvel]

Stop here to say who should win here today, those who win today, it certainly deserves!!!
True, both deserve it very much! Stil hoping for a maiden win of Neuville. Tension really building up now! What's the tightes't victory ever?

[René]

Ogier is going to try to make a big time for the last stage. He would be well inspired to be at arrival.

[KKS]

Yes.. Is that true? Protasov was 2'09" slower than Sordo first time through. Hope this doesn't have any effect on the result.

Now page was corrected. TOP10 reverse so Sordo starts behind Neuville

[MikeD]

Just because there are no Danish rallydrivers, it doesn't make it pathetic...

Yes it does ... and I am french just living in Denmark at the moment ... but nice try :rolleyes:

[Langdale Forest]

What's the tightes't victory ever?
0.2 seconds Jordan 2011 0.3 seconds New Zealand 2007

[Integrale]

True, both deserve it very much! Stil hoping for a maiden win of Neuville. Tension really building up now! What's the tightes't victory ever?
Portugal 2000?

[A FONDO]

What's the tightes't victory ever?

0,2s Ogier - Latvala in Jordan 2011

[rage82]

True, both deserve it very much! Stil hoping for a maiden win of Neuville. Tension really building up now! What's the tightes't victory ever?

It was between Loeb and Gronholm in New Zealand at first but I think that now is between Ogier and Latvalla

[focus206]

pretty sure Ogier is going to take the PS win...
that's really a shame no live streaming :\

[tfp]

pretty sure Ogier is going to take the PS win...
that's really a shame no live streaming :\
Massive shame, I remember watching the Jordan 2011 power stage and we could have an even more crazy battle here!

[Integrale]

wrc.com crashed?

[Astro83]

no it works!

[focus206]

haha what a great support for Nasser on rally radio :D

[Integrale]

Sordo wins, great job.

[Brother John]

wrc.com crashed?

Maybe it's your computer with poor reception? (joke) ;-)

[Bartek]

Sordo is flying, Neuville in troubles

[Astro83]

oh im so nervus!! ;)


yeeees Sordo is quick!

[D1sCo]

There is still some Km.. don't take fast conclusions :P

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Massive own-goal by the WRC not showing this live.. :(

[mousti]

It's done :(

[René]

DaniSordo is 2.6 quicker than thierryneuville in the first split

[focus206]

Sordo flying! Come on Dani!!!

[Astro83]

It's done :(

no dont say so, its not over yet!! but nervos

you see neuville hits back :D

[Rautiainen]

Hello, everybody!
I need a little reminder, please:
If Neuville win that would be the fifth victory for the belgians, is that so?
What is the case if Sordo win?

[EightGear]

Fight is on again.

[Juha_Koo]

It's not over!!! Fck me!

[KKS]

hehehe battle beginnnn -2.6, -0.1 .....

[tfp]

Still some km left but it looks good for sordo, I hope he gets a win, it will probably be the only of his career, and it's like a swansong for him. They should still kick him out of the seat and give it to Meeke though.

[jonkka]

What's the tightes't victory ever?

juwra.com**|**Statistics - Closest wins (http://www.juwra.com/closest_wins.html)

[focus206]

Thierry fights back! :eek:

[tfp]

Massive own-goal by the WRC not showing this live.. :(

Sure is, what I'd give for live streaming!

[jonkka]

Hello, everybody!
I need a little reminder, please:
If Neuville win that would be the fifth victory for the belgians, is that so?
What is the case if Sordo win?

juwra.com**|**Statistics - Driver wins per nationalities (http://www.juwra.com/driver_wins_by_nationalities.html)

[Astro83]

this is the real ****!! love it!

[EightGear]

Neuville is also catching Ogier.

[jonkka]

Advantage 3,1 s to Sordo's favour at split 2... (in overall)

[Miika]

Reeling it in now.

[thuGG]

Holy sh*t, the tension.

WRC.com is down, argggghh!

[Integrale]

Jesus... Two seconds to go... Count it...

This is really not good for my health.

[sete]

Thierry gooo!!

[D1sCo]

so may people using wrc.com that it crashes ahahah :D

[mousti]

I'm getting crazy here, holy **** . Argghhh

[focus206]

Dani 1 sec. slower than Thierry at 3rd split?? :eek:

[EightGear]

wrc.com down?

[jonkka]

And wrc.com fails...

[Francis44]

It's going to be close, but not enough km's for Neuville to recover 2 seconds.

[Astro83]

oh **** this is tiiiight!!!!!!! Neuville = respect!! Sordo = respect! this will be so close!! hehe

[René]

SS16 - split 3 (15.7 km): Dani Sordo 1s slower than thierry neuville

[mousti]

Splits are down, u got to be kidding me!!!

[focus206]

I said I was pretty sure that Ogier would have won the PS... not so sure anymore :D

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Come onnnnnnnnnn Thierry !!

[jonkka]

Yeah, at split 3 (over halfway gone), advantage is 2,0 s for Sordo...

[KKS]

Neuville back off on last splitttt

[J4MIE]

I am sitting at Spa waiting for F1 to start and am far more excited about the rally!!!!!!

Mon Thierry!!!!!!!

[T.Maanteiden kuningas]

Again German rally podium by Hirvonen. Well done!

[jonkka]

And final split it's back to 3,0 s for Sordo. Without mistakes, that's it...

[mousti]

Damn :(

[Langdale Forest]

looks like sordo has an advantage because they are level

[MartijnS]

Same time at final split, so Sordo must be winning.

[EightGear]

Sordo fighting back now

[Fly]

Game over...

[Astro83]

ohhh

[focus206]

They're even with 1 split to go! So Thierry has to gain 3 secs to make it, difficult...

[Bartek]

This is unbelievable, what a rally

[tfp]

They look about neck and neck, has sordo done enough over all?

[René]

SS16 - split 4 (20.3 km): Dani Sordo and thierry neuville are tied!!!

[HaCo]

And that for an IRC-boy :p

[MartijnS]

THierry's car some damage!

[KKS]

OFF..... (

[tfp]

And wrc.com crashes again ffs

[T.Maanteiden kuningas]

Go Citroen WRT, good job! Citroen is superior in Germany!!!

[MartijnS]

Sordo won! :)

[Rautiainen]

Spain has 27 wins, Belgia 1.

Sainz? (I totally forgot about him, stupid me!!!)
Belgium 1 win - rally Australia 2005?

[amilk]

Good for the next tarmac rallies that they are very near to Ogier.

[jonkka]

Tried to very end, it seems... Luckily, if he can get back to service, he retains 2nd overall.

[KKS]

And win for soooordoooooooo!!!!!!!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Great finale, well done both guys !

[Langdale Forest]

Sordo wins!!

[RS]

Looks like Neuville went off but he has finished, so will get 2nd. Congratulations to Sordo, he deserves at least one WRC win for sure but Neuville is the potential future champion here.

[focus206]

Great job Dani!!! :)

[Rallyper]

Congrats to Sordo. A well deserved win!!!

[Francis44]

Congratulations for Sordo and Neuville, unfortunately this dosen't hide the fact that Ogier would win easily if it was not for the mistake.

[dupanton]

Neuville lucky at the end, went off :p

Congratz to Sordo, didn't expect him to win after his start of the Rally!

[D1sCo]

Congratulations to Sordo =)

[jonkka]

I am so happy for Dani!

[EightGear]

Vamos Dani!!


+53 seconds in the end haha

[tfp]

Well done dani sordo!

[sete]

great battle!!
congratulations to Sordo!!
Maybe i will go to Rally France-there should battle continue

[René]

Congratulation Dany, and Thierry you will win sonn also