Rally Guanajuato Mexico 2013

[darkstar]

puncture sordo says...

[andyone]

Hirvonen doing as expected, pulling away from Neuville and hunting down Ostberg :D
that was split 1 chek split 2

[Tom206wrc]

Sordo way too slow compared to Atkinson :(

[stefanvv]

Sordo puncture with only one spare

[Sprocket]

that was split 1 chek split 2

Ostberg responds! We'll see today what he is made of, Ogier very fast again at 3rd split

[darkstar]

neuville has hit a stone in a hairpin and thinks his steering is bent, took it slowly then. so this is it for his fight for the podium i guess.

[mousti]

Ouch

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[darkstar]

ohhh, some problem for östberg on the finishlie...maybe clutch.

[stefanvv]

Clutch problem for Ostberg

[darkstar]

ogier is just crazy, somehow he sounds like he cant believe himself being so fast ...

[Rallyper]

The competition is way too thin, having guys on 5th - 7th minutes after the leader.

Please bring back some drivers to WRC capable of being faster...

[Mirek]

Thanks. Now Mikko has said he was really trying but Ogier was just faster - maybe the Polo engine can cope better at the altitude despite predictions to the contrary
UK bookmaker has Ogier as joint favourite with Mikko at 7/4! Well it would have been rude not to! ;)

Now I remember VW has a factory in Mexico in Puebla. They could have tested the engine using the Mexican facility pretty extensive without the need to send there whole team.

[rallyfanbelgium]

day 1 video on facebook page


http://www.facebook.com/bestrallyvideos

[Sulland]

Why no driver comments on rally-base ?

[MikeD]

He is that good.

Er du dén Lundgaard ... som i eneste dansker der har scoret et VM point i WRC?

[stefanvv]

Latvala not starting SS15 :confused:

[eestlane]

He is 42 minutes down. Maybe he starts at the end to get a better grip and a better stage time?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Guerra vs Block SSS


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVJGoWAukbY

[stefanvv]

He is 42 minutes down. Maybe he starts at the end to get a better grip and a better stage time?

Perhaps

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Some Day 2 action... great sound, no comms ! :)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrsQNcZgwuw

[Tom206wrc]

GPS problem for Atkinson :confused:

[eestlane]

Mads retires!

[Rallyper]

Ostberg to retire due to technical problems... I can´t believe it...!!!!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Noooooooooo Mads out... gutted. :bigcry:


Disaster for Mads and the team. The clutch isn't the problem, but an electrical issue means that car 4 will not reach SS15 & has to retire... :(

[MikeD]

Mads did not deserve this :( ... Mikko lucks in again....

[Wasted Talent]

What is Armin Kremer's problem in SS14 please?

WT

[Sprocket]

OOOh nnoooo! Was really looking forward to Mads pushing on, I don't really think Mikko was any threat today, so disappointing for us all, the team but especially for Mads who was doing so well.

[T.Maanteiden kuningas]

Oh dear, so sad.

[Rally Talent]

Mads did not deserve this :( ... Mikko lucks in again....

This is a real pity for Mads after such a great run. I truly wish him better luck in the future. Someone said here earlier that everybody make their own luck - I think Hirvonen's is making the most out of it now ;)

[Frostmourne]

Seriously, If you have no luck you should not consider rally as a carreer for you lol. Loeb is lucky, Ogier is lucky as well, combine this with talent..they are unbeatable unfortunatly!!

Lesson of day, talent is not enough to be rally driver!

[Rallyper]

On top of that disaster we have no splits on wrc.com...

Edit: My fault. Wrong page...

[Rally Talent]

Seriously, If you have no luck you should not consider rally as a carreer for you lol. Loeb is lucky, Ogier is lucky as well, combine this with talent..they are unbeatable unfortunatly!!

Lesson of day, talent is not enough to be rally driver!

Talent comes first, then luck follows over time.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

iRally : Østberg should be able to resume under Rally 2 and battle for Manufacturer points alongside Qatar M-Sport teammate Novikov.

[Tom206wrc]

Neuville in big trouble ??? :eek:

[stefanvv]

It seems We'll have 2 Citroens on the podium. Could you bet on that yesterday

[stefanvv]

Latvala starts 7th after all as yesterday

[arko5]

he's late at start

[MikeD]

It seems We'll have 2 Citroens on the podium. Could you bet on that yesterday

It's rallies like these that might eventually give Citroën the edge over VW in the manufacturers championship. I have a feeling we are going to get a split championship result this year with the drivers' title to Ogier and the Manu-title to Citroën...

[Sprocket]

It seems We'll have 2 Citroens on the podium. Could you bet on that yesterday

It's why I like Mexico, not just team with fastest car or fastest driver, car needs to be tough too.

[Tom206wrc]

Sordo ??? :confused:


Edit: OK -16" on penultimate split compared to Novikov ;)

[RAS007]

Mads did not deserve this :( ... Mikko lucks in again....

Agreed on both points.

[Rallyper]

I really do believe VW has the upper hand on the whole package right now. Mikko is fast in Mexico but don´t have chance on Ogier, meaning they also have a very good car (Polo)

[dimviii]

I really do believe VW has the upper hand on the whole package right now. Mikko is fast in Mexico but don´t have chance on Ogier, meaning they also have a very good car (Polo)

Αt Argentina you will see how wrong you are. ;)

[Sprocket]

Ogier saying he's backed off, but still running way faster than Hirvonen - it always worry me with Ogier that he can't really back-off for fear of losing his rhythm, one big slip and Mikko will pounce!

[mArtini racing]

Ogier: "I'm really really not pushing"

but he smashes everyone in every SS...

[mousti]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BE7pb4KCYAE2FBl.jpg:large

Drama..

[Sprocket]

Day 1 in English

Part 1


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eA4-yCM9-s&feature=share&list=PLzcEvTimoi5JdCTahQAEomGYouhS RUbz_

[Sprocket]

Part 2


http://youtu.be/gJW4RW_W_Us

[makinen_fan]

Ogier: "I'm really really not pushing"

but he smashes everyone in every SS...

The same thing he always says when he beats everyone. Psychology war for the others imho

[Ucci]

Ogier: "I'm really really not pushing"

but he smashes everyone in every SS...

I do not belive any word from that French weasel.....

[WUff1]

Kremer seems to be out.

[darkstar]

here is latvala hitting the stone...honestly, this is bad luck: 2013 Rally Mexico - Day 02 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GYQWDosnhk&feature=player_detailpage#t=29s)

[Rallyper]

here is latvala hitting the stone...honestly, this is bad luck: 2013 Rally Mexico - Day 02 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GYQWDosnhk&feature=player_detailpage#t=29s)

Well, thet confirms he´d nothing to do with it. Just unluck. Typical it hit JML and not someone else...

[Rallyper]

Αt Argentina you will see how wrong you are. ;)

Really? Tell me.. :o

[dimviii]

Really? Tell me.. :o

be patience,calm down and enjoy.

[stefanvv]

I do not belive any word from that French weasel.....

@SebOgier (http://www.twitter.com/SebOgier) after SS16 (1:16.0 mins): "Great morning again. Feeling disappointed 4 Mads (#Ostberg (http://search.twitter.com/search?q=Ostberg))." #WRC (http://search.twitter.com/search?q=WRC)

[amilk]

Ostberg:“I can’t believe it’s the third rally in a row where we’ve had technical issues and I’m not happy with that. I hope this will change now,”

That was not tipical for Ford before - looks MWilson adopting the tech level of the cars to the lower budget

[Sprocket]

Hope Mads foot OK for tomorrow, as well as car!

[dimviii]

lolol

Ostberg was so frustrated that he kicked the Fiesta RS, injuring his right foot.
“When I retired I was very angry so I kicked the car. The pain is quite big. We will work on that this afternoon and hopefully the foot should be OK to restart tomorrow,” he added.

World Rally Championship - News - Ostberg: ‘My biggest disappointment’ (http://www.wrc.com/news/ostberg-my-biggest-disappointment/?fid=18365)

[Kielder]

He's the man now:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BE8BZCrCQAIfnXx.jpg:large

[DIMI44]

He's the man now:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BE8BZCrCQAIfnXx.jpg:large
To my friend dimviii with love.......

[dimviii]

To my friend dimviii with love.......

?

[amilk]

Well, thet confirms he´d nothing to do with it. Just unluck. Typical it hit JML and not someone else...

He corrected the car to outside (maybe due to smaller stone before what can be seen also) - if he keeps inside the stone may hit the underguard. Not a critic just looks like this - its a bad luck realy

[dimviii]

some photos
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8233/8541135026_9f7247b2fc_z.jpg

more
2013 WRC Rally Mexico - a set on Flickr (http://www.flickr.com/photos/bestofrallylive/sets/72157632939224789/)

[skarderud]

i have to say that this rally lost my interest after mads' bad luck.
msport had these kind of failures before also, but even more thus year than before. budgetissue?
if citroen/peugeot want to get back in the fight with vw, maybe they have to get another forddriver...?

[bluuford]

The problem is that there are three drivers that must do whole season on their team as nr 1 driver: Ostberg, Hirvonen and Latvala

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Was there are live coverage of the Super Special on TV last night, going to be any tonight ?

[Bartek]

I'm not only one who thinks that fighting for title in this year is almost over, yes? Ogier is so fu**ing fast! Respect for him

[Sprocket]

Mikko not sounding happy about settling for second place at all on Rally Radio! In all though I think a big improvement from past two rallies for Mikko but I guess he is thinking what on earth can he do now other than collect manufacturer points for the rest of the season.

[kirungi okwogera]

Yeah, I've felt that Mikko will be the most consistently close challenger to Ogier this season, but in this rally, with that gap, that doesn't mean that much. I do still hope for a battle in rallies to come though.

[Rallyper]

be patience,calm down and enjoy.

Sorry, I´m calm, don´t worry. I just wondered because I´m curious.

[bluuford]

Mikko is doing perfect job.. he is driving as slowly as possible and is hoping to ruin Ogiers rythm. At the same time Citroen si in its way to increase their lead in Manufacturers table.

[stefanvv]

Mikko is doing perfect job.. he is driving as slowly as possible and is hoping to ruin Ogiers rythm. At the same time Citroen si in its way to increase their lead in Manufacturers table.

:D :D

[Francis44]

I definitely hope Latvala puts it together for the rest of the championship, because if he does I think we might have an interesting fight for the manufacteurs championship for once.

[oyunbozan]

this season might be one of that borings seasons if we dont count Loeb's participations. we already passed 2 of them.
msport is careless of their cars - switched to fiesta rental spec as those problems occur back to back.. mads is not fast everywhere (like tarmac) and other guys are still on early/mid improvement phase at ford imo.
citroen is not aiming for dirvers champ and mikko could not set his mind to win. if he and latvala didn't changed teams this could be a little more interesting season. their pace was closer to loeb time to time..
i see hidden politics everywhere and it stinks

[Rallyper]

this season might be one of that borings seasons if we dont count Loeb's participations. we already passed 2 of them.
msport is careless of their cars - switched to fiesta rental spec as those problems occur back to back.. mads is not fast everywhere (like tarmac) and other guys are still on early/mid improvement phase at ford imo.
citroen is not aiming for dirvers champ and mikko could not set his mind to win. if he and latvala didn't changed teams this could be a little more interesting season. their pace was closer to loeb time to time..
i see hidden politics everywhere and it stinks

So everyone outside VW consider themselves as loosers then? If so, it would be a shame, but I don´t understand the politics?

[dimviii]

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8371/8541872391_b1fffd369d_c.jpg

[Bartek]

Kościuszko ate burrito??

[Tom206wrc]

Kosciuszko very slow on the last kilometers of SS18 :mark:

[arko5]

he has two wheel drive car ;(

[Georgi]

he has two wheel drive car ;(

Why he did not choose another car/team? This one is having troubles every rally!

[Kalm]

Has there been a rally where Kościuszko`s Mini havent got techical difficulties ? Its getting ridiciolous, and im not talking about the driver.

[Sprocket]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENExQlI6VVA&feature=share&list=PLODyu6T9_e mw6EGt81Zw9_LKSqnzX-Dr4

[rallyfun]

Why he did not choose another car/team? This one is having troubles every rally!

Because it's cheap, they couldn't afford Fiesta not mention DS3. Everyone has seen last season how good, fast and reliable are Mini from Motorsport Italia, combine that with Dmack and you have got the answer.

[rallyfun]

Has there been a rally where Kościuszko`s Mini havent got techical difficulties ? Its getting ridiciolous, and im not talking about the driver.

It's as good as split times by SIT...

[Rally Talent]

Bad last split for Mikko and the next one is missing... don't tell me that... :rolleyes:

[mousti]

Hirvo loses a chunk of time now comparing to Neuville..

[Rally Talent]

Split 6 +15. Bummer...

[Tom206wrc]

And Sordo missing a split too :rolleyes:

[Rally Talent]

And Sordo missing a split too :rolleyes:

He should be ok since he got the final stage time.

[mousti]

A minute and thirteen seconds is the damage now, not at finish, so it maybe can be almost 2 minutes!

[Tom206wrc]

Tomorrow sunday Atkinson eats Block for his breakfast ;)

[Rally Talent]

There goes Mikko...

[eestlane]

Ogier has lost a lot of time between split 6 ans 7 :O

[Rally Talent]

What's going on with Ogier? Lost a lot of time between last two splits.

[dimviii]

Ogier at Mikkos dust?

[mousti]

Neuville seems to getting his first scratch, Ogier lost almost half a minute to Neuville on last split.

[Sprocket]

Mikko rear puncture

[Georgi]

Because it's cheap, they couldn't afford Fiesta not mention DS3. Everyone has seen last season how good, fast and reliable are Mini from Motorsport Italia, combine that with Dmack and you have got the answer.

I don't get the point.
Really - Bad car/team + bad tyre = wasting the money of the sponsor...
...and here I think it's only one big sponsor...

Ok... the only idea here is to get experience but with this "Muletto" I don't see it as experience!

[Sprocket]

I'm thinking Ogier hit Mikko's dust too

[Rally Talent]

This is too early, yes... BUT, if the game develops like this, Thierry might be on the way to GOLD.

[mousti]

Left rear puncture for Hirvonen and has only 7.2 seconds left of a gap on Neuville.

[mousti]

LOL Ogier had to re-open a gate on the stage! :D

[Sprocket]

Someone closed a gate on the stage for Ogier!! Hence loss of time to stop and remove it!

[Rallyper]

No, Ogier had to open a gate by himself!! Don´t say they dont throw stones either...?

[Rally Talent]

Anybody know whether Mikko is able to continue?

[eestlane]

Unbelivable. Stupid spectators.

[tommeke_B]

Unbelivable. Stupid spectators.
Shouldn't be called spectators... ;) A rally-enthousiast is not doing such thing.

[Rally Talent]

Well, I don't think the rock JML hit appeared there just like that from nowhere either... Insane game.

[EightGear]

Anybody know whether Mikko is able to continue?

Just a puncture so probably he can.

[eestlane]

What has to be on your mind to do these stuff? I just do not understand -.-

[Rally Talent]

Just a puncture so probably he can.

I hope so, we will see a good fight for silver in that case!

[EightGear]

We should send Panizzi to those kind of 'spectators.'

[rallyfun]

I don't get the point.
Really - Bad car/team + bad tyre = wasting the money of the sponsor...
...and here I think it's only one big sponsor...

Ok... the only idea here is to get experience but with this "Muletto" I don't see it as experience!

This will only make sens if they have long term program unless it's just marketing thing for Lotos, Lotos Rally Team in all 13 rallies with Mini can get more points than LRT in 5-6 rallies with Fiesta.

[dimviii]

We should send Panizzi to those kind of 'spectators.'
http://www.theage.com.au/ffxImage/urlpicture_id_1067233097133_2003/10/27/giles.jpg

[MikeD]

Did they just say on WRR that Ogier's time will be ajusted so that he doesn't lose the amount of time it took to open the gate. Seems fair even though it most likely won't make a difference to him...

[Sprocket]

I think they said the facility to do so is in place, not sure he'll need it for this rally, but if had affected the result the time could have been given back to him.

[Kielder]

Mikko's left rear tyre after driving 25 kms on it:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BE85SJDCEAIyO2u.jpg

[Kielder]

Someone closed a gate on the stage for Ogier!! Hence loss of time to stop and remove it!

WRC drivers from the '80s and '90s wouldn't have stopped to open the gate. They would have pushed the throttle harder!

[Kielder]

Dani Sordo: "If in Portugal everything goes like here, I'll leave. I don't know neither what's happening nor why I don't get good times. I'm very sad and very disappointed". It's the second time he speaks this way after his return to Citroën :( .

[oyunbozan]

So everyone outside VW consider themselves as loosers then? If so, it would be a shame, but I don´t understand the politics?

may be for the interest of sport, new winners, new heroes have to be produced. new manufacturers has to come in to play.

while i was looking at the big picture passing some recent years i often asked "why?"
mini for example, a big opportunity and investment from both BMW and prodrive.. they have created a WORLD fkin RALLY CAR and did a good PR.. all gone waste.. why? for DTM? so f**k BMW and DTM, this is a proper world stage sport. not local guys bouncing one another in beefed up prototypes..

both editions of sebs are great drivers. some others have pike moments. when we had gronholm it was still fun to watch, but now loeb step away while a big challenge appears. is it because they are both french? french legend in a french team vs a french upcoming hero in a german team?

why can't ford/m-sport afford ogier? or even save their investments (hirvonen and latvala)? we all knew ogier is a potential future world champion even at 2.0L era (VW was not around), couldn't mr wilson saw that?

i never believe big car manufacturers loose money and can't afford sporting. considering how many cars are sold by PSA or BMW or ford, the profit they make is so huge, WRC can only be a hobby for them. i don't count F1 into "sporting" it is a show.

[Rallyper]

OK, I... understand. We should have seen Loeb in full season this year too. But maybe Citroen knew about the streght of VW/Ogier and could say Loeb just doing few rounds, so he´d not so fast because of that.

Mini - yes it´s a shame BMW didn´t help more. DTM is just a circus only satisfying party people ...

[Bartek]

OK, I... understand. We should have seen Loeb in full season this year too. But maybe Citroen knew about the streght of VW/Ogier and could say Loeb just doing few rounds, so he´d not so fast because of that.

Mini - yes it´s a shame BMW didn´t help more. DTM is just a circus only satisfying party people ...

I was in Oschersleben last year and believe me, the Germans loves DTM...

I don't know why because it's boring but they like it and for BMW this is good option...

[danon]

http://img845.imageshack.us/img845/2369/csm10.jpg

[pucky54]

I was in Oschersleben last year and believe me, the Germans loves DTM...

I don't know why because it's boring but they like it and for BMW this is good option...

DT...what? :D :D

[RAS007]

Left rear puncture for Hirvonen and has only 7.2 seconds left of a gap on Neuville.


I really hope Neuville can overhaul Mikko tomorrow!

[Kielder]

http://www.autopista.es/media/cache/original/upload/images/imagegallery/imagegallery-39618-513bc56409bba.jpg
http://www.citroen-wrc.com/wp-content/gallery/rally-mexico-2013/lr_RS3_8270.jpg
http://www.autopista.es/media/cache/original/upload/images/imagegallery/imagegallery-39618-513bc56c367d6.jpg
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Polo-R-WRC-at-the-Rally-Mexico-2013-9.jpg
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Polo-R-WRC-at-the-Rally-Mexico-2013-10.jpg

[Kielder]

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8371/8541872391_b1fffd369d_c.jpg

http://www.citroen-wrc.com/wp-content/gallery/rally-mexico-2013/lr_20130041281.JPG

[GigiGalliNo1]

Ogier given back the 40seconds from Rally Mexico organizers after the closed gate on stage. Classified as winning the stage.

[Rally Talent]

Ogier given back the 40seconds from Rally Mexico organizers after the closed gate on stage. Classified as winning the stage.

I remember "kindness" like this happening to French drivers earlier... :)

[stefanvv]

http://www.volkswagen-motorsport.com/fileadmin/user_upload/Fans_Friends/1%20WRC/Rallye/Mexico/Berichterstattung/2013/20130309/Galerie_des_Tages_Nummer-2/886x498px_vw-20130310-3603-max-VW-WRC13-03-MC1-049.jpghttp://www.volkswagen-motorsport.com/fileadmin/user_upload/Fans_Friends/1%20WRC/Rallye/Mexico/Berichterstattung/2013/20130309/Galerie_des_Tages_Nummer-2/886x498px_03_vw-20130309-3384-max-VW-WRC13-03-RB2-0942.jpghttp://www.volkswagen-motorsport.com/fileadmin/user_upload/Fans_Friends/1%20WRC/Rallye/Mexico/Berichterstattung/2013/20130309/Galerie_des_Tages_Nummer-2/886x498px_06_vw-20130309-3382-max-VW-WRC13-03-RB1-2146.jpg

[stefanvv]

Nice video. Al-Atyah finds a shortcut :D :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1y-bla1eOg

[Kielder]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XVxrk1PgtQ

[stefanvv]

Stage 16-20 and a gate in the miggle of nowhere:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ckX_ud202Q

[Kielder]

Ogier talking about the closed gate: iRally | The free independent Rally App for the iPhone, iPad and Android (http://irallylive.com/ir_vidrss.htm?00000668)

[Nelly]

How many times does stuff like this have to happen Mexico, I don't care if its a big car market they shouldn't have a round anymore!!!

[bluuford]

I think this closed gate was just a bad coincidence. It wa clearly visible that when they opened the gate it fell closed again. So, probably Mikko with broken left wheel touched the gate or threw some stones so that the gate came loose (he had probably different trajectors due to its broken tyre) and that is it.

Moreover, it is better to have thousands of spectators than having Rally GB with couple of people watching ceremonical tart or finish in the middle of the fiels... It is among the best rallies in WRC.

[danon]

Stage 16-20 and a gate in the miggle of nowhere:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ckX_ud202Q

... stupid co driver let the gate close right in front of the car...

Ridiculous!!! :laugh: :D

[Jerra]

... stupid co driver let the gate close right in front of the car...

Ridiculous!!! :laugh: :D

... co drivers are always guilty ...

[mArtini racing]

Dani Sordo: "If in Portugal everything goes like here, I'll leave. I don't know neither what's happening nor why I don't get good times. I'm very sad and very disappointed". It's the second time he speaks this way after his return to Citroën :( .

After, he said that it was a bad moment he had... and said too that he isn't happy, but not enough for leaving...

Anyway it would be a shame if it was certain, it could be a disaster for rallying in Spain, there is no other driver at his level in Spain at the moment...

[Jerra]

Last day will be very interesting from altitude differences point of view, especially the first 54kms long with ups and downs, also second with great downhill from 5th km to the 22nd on the end

Guanajuatito 2150, 2000, 2601, 2150, 2570, 2299m
Derramadero 2350, 2457, 1869m

[MikeD]

i never believe big car manufacturers loose money and can't afford sporting. considering how many cars are sold by PSA or BMW or ford, the profit they make is so huge, WRC can only be a hobby for them. i don't count F1 into "sporting" it is a show.

Ford and BMW are making a profit - PSA aren't (see link to their 2012 financial results). Anyway, motorsport is a choice and if BMW and/or Ford chose to leave the WRC, it's because there are no benefits from it in the economical enviroment they are in. After all, they know better than you what is the right strategy for their brand.

But I do agree that DTM is crap and I have never understod why BMW often run away from proper competition and only do these second or third calls series.

Peugeot SA, UG:PAR company performance - FT.com (http://markets.ft.com/research/Markets/Tearsheets/Financials?s=UG:PAR)

[BDunnell]

Ogier given back the 40seconds from Rally Mexico organizers after the closed gate on stage. Classified as winning the stage.

I don't like this. Such things happen in rallying; they shouldn't, but they do. No need to give time credits.

[smsgrafica]

Hi to you all!

Is there any link to watch some live footage today?

[smsgrafica]

I don't like this. Such things happen in rallying; they shouldn't, but they do. No need to give time credits.
Sorry, but I disagree. The conditions should be equal for everyone and if there's a problem with the stage, it's just fair to give back the crew the lost time.

[Sprocket]

I don't like this. Such things happen in rallying; they shouldn't, but they do. No need to give time credits.

My thought is it discourages future attempts to interfere with the drivers. If doing so achieves nothing, as the time is given back, then hopefully it happens less often.

I think there is an assumption it was a deliberate attempt to slow Ogier, if it had happened to Neuville at 7.5 seconds behind Mikko a lot of people would be saying it was very unfair too.

PS it was probably lucky in a way it did happen, else we would have had Ogier in Mikko's puncture dust and very upset lol

[bluuford]

I would say that it is not fair that he got whole 40 seconds back. More fair would be the same time with stage winner or something. It does not sound good that you win a stage while co-driver opens the gate twice etc.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ford team planning the final day ...


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[smsgrafica]

I would say that it is not fair that he got whole 40 seconds back. More fair would be the same time with stage winner or something. It does not sound good that you win a stage while co-driver opens the gate twice etc.
Excuse me, but he didn't get the time back out of nowhere. The marshals looked at his time prior to the stop and how much he did loose while opening the gate. If it was 40 seconds, it's just fair he got that amount back, don't you think?

[BDunnell]

Sorry, but I disagree. The conditions should be equal for everyone and if there's a problem with the stage, it's just fair to give back the crew the lost time.

But the next thing you know they'll be giving the time back for all sorts of stuff — a puncture sustained because the preceding car threw a large stone onto the stage, for instance. Rallying did without such things for years and it can do without them now.

[BDunnell]

Also, the idea the conditions should be the same for everybody isn't really applicable to rallying.

[Sprocket]

5 minutes to go, will Neuville catch Mikko?????!!!!

[smsgrafica]

C'mon, a puncture is a different thing than being unable to continue the drive because the road is 'closed'...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

MadsOstberg (https://twitter.com/MadsOstberg)
Longest stage of the rally is just about to start, the 54,85kms Guanajuatito. Bring it on!




Mads Østberg ‏ (https://twitter.com/MadsOstberg)

Will run as car 2 on the road all day today. Organisers has issued a bulletin, saying any playing with start-orders will not be accepted !

[smsgrafica]

5 minutes to go, will Neuville catch Mikko?????!!!!
I hope, but I don't think he will. I just wish for a clean run without any dramas.

[Sprocket]

I hope, but I don't think he will. I just wish for a clean run without any dramas.

Yep, I think perhaps he'll keep MW happy and just bring it in for the podium, unless Mikko suffers another drama!

[BDunnell]

C'mon, a puncture is a different thing than being unable to continue the drive because the road is 'closed'...

I agree, but I don't think you can go giving people a time that isn't actually the one in which they completed the stage, no matter what the cause.

[Rally Talent]

C'mon, a puncture is a different thing than being unable to continue the drive because the road is 'closed'...

This seems like a perfect opportunity to throw more petrol in the fireplace... so folks, what if Seb crashed with the closed gate? How do you think they should have made that up to him?

No matter who's in question, I personally don't like this kind of rules. Life isn't fair in the first place. We've seen a lot of **** happen to some drivers, some are more lucky, some or not. In a series of 13 different events, the one who survives through with best result in the end should be awarded the championship title. Period.

[Salist]

SS21 has started - JML on stage.

[eestlane]

Mads 6,1 down on JML at the first split.

[bluuford]

Excuse me, but he didn't get the time back out of nowhere. The marshals looked at his time prior to the stop and how much he did loose while opening the gate. If it was 40 seconds, it's just fair he got that amount back, don't you think?

Well, it is not correct to win a stage while stopping for nearly a minute and co-driver also making a mistake while clearing the road.

[A FONDO]

and 10 at the second......... deja-vu ?

[smsgrafica]

...what if Seb crashed with the closed gate? How do you think they should have made that up to him?
You can't make everything up, but you should do what you can.

[Sprocket]

This seems like a perfect opportunity to throw more petrol in the fireplace... so folks, what if Seb crashed with the closed gate? How do you think they should have made that up to him?

No matter who's in question, I personally don't like this kind of rules. Life isn't fair in the first place. We've seen a lot of **** happen to some drivers, some are more lucky, some or not. In a series of 13 different events, the one who survives through with best result in the end should be awarded the championship title. Period.

It would have been tough really if he had crashed into the gate, not seeing an obstacle on the stage equals going off the road. Same really if they have a crash in the road section and retire.

The only thing I can see positive about the decision is it discourages this sort of action from spectators, if indeed it was the case. Do we want to see barricades built across stages because someone has sour grapes that Ogier is blisteringly quick?

The decision was with Clerk of the course, their call and they awarded the lost time. I'm happy enough with that, though agree it should not be the full time, particularly seeing there was a certain amount of messing about with opening the gate.

[Mirek]

You can't make everything up, but you should do what you can.

I don't have a problem with removing all the time lost at the spot BUT I do have problem with the fact that this very same situation happening to somebody from down the order would be sure solved different way by the stewards (very likely no notional time would be given).

[BDunnell]

This seems like a perfect opportunity to throw more petrol in the fireplace... so folks, what if Seb crashed with the closed gate? How do you think they should have made that up to him?

No matter who's in question, I personally don't like this kind of rules. Life isn't fair in the first place. We've seen a lot of **** happen to some drivers, some are more lucky, some or not. In a series of 13 different events, the one who survives through with best result in the end should be awarded the championship title. Period.

There is so much opportunity for such things to happen in rallying, too. A freak shower in the middle of a stage — should this be compensated for by altering stage times of those affected?

[MikeD]

Sorry, but I disagree. The conditions should be equal for everyone and if there's a problem with the stage, it's just fair to give back the crew the lost time.

I tend to agree with you, but what should the organisers do if spectators throw stones on a drivers windscreen and the driver crashes as a result of it. How can you afterwards equal that out among all drivers, without cancelling the whole stage and all the following ones?

And what should FIA have done if that Spanish idiot that drove into Loeb in Rally GB had decideed the championship (because the spanish driver had forgot they drive on the left in GB)? It didn't decide the championship, because Hirvonen had crashed the day before, but that would have been a really weird way to decide a world championship if Hirvonen had won it in a "Force majeure" kind of way.

I think we see these spectator things every year in Mexico, and one day it will affect a result so I thing they should do something about it - and if they can't they shouldn't rally there.

[WRC3]

I just saw the situation with the gate, finally I also think to give him back that seconds are not right. Its not sure if this made a spectator, if yes, to stop Ogier, better to secure it with a padlock. For me it seems easy that the gate close when the car before him pass. Look, the gate closes when the codriver went back to the car.

What happens if an animal pass the road? This was also in past very often, with sometimes ended in an accident. Cancell the race? Thats rallying! About puncture, a user before means for sure if a spectator put a big stone on the road and next car push it. Any time changes in past? I dont remember.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

The only thing I can see positive about the decision is it discourages this sort of action from spectators, if indeed it was the case.



Spot on mate.

[bluuford]

Hey guys.. there is a stage going on!

[rallye-vid]

No times for guerra?

S1T - go home,, We will not miss you.

[WRC3]

It was the same as yesterday. Guerra missing splits.

[Langdale Forest]

The 54 KM stage is where Latvala & Novikov crashed last year.

[Tom206wrc]

Mmmmh...problem for Al Attiyah :confused:

[smsgrafica]

You all have made very good points, which I can agree on. I just feel this situation was a case where you could make it right again. And the same should happen even with the slower drivers, that's for sure!

[smsgrafica]

Ken Block is driving way better than I thought he would on this stage. Losing not to many seconds on Atkinson.

[WRC3]

Neuville flying!!

[smsgrafica]

Neuville flying after split 1

[BDunnell]

What happens if an animal pass the road? This was also in past very often, with sometimes ended in an accident. Cancell the race? Thats rallying!

Was thinking about exactly the same example.

[BDunnell]

Ken Block is driving way better than I thought he would on this stage. Losing not to many seconds on Atkinson.

Ken Block has driven significantly better throughout this rally than many thought he would, especially after such a long WRC absence. Credit where it's due.

[Tom206wrc]

Latvala :confused:

Edit: OK he arrived ;)

[satukata]

any livestreams from powerstage?

[WRC3]

Split 2 Neuville! Its about 12 km into the stage, he gave 1 sec/km to the next!!

But MIkko fighting back! Great battle for 2nd!

[smsgrafica]

Hirvonen just 0.1s slower than Neuville after split 1

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Neuville & Hirvonen are going for it... game on !

[Tom206wrc]

Ogier doesn't need to push anymore and proves it :mark:

[eestlane]

Ogier about 8 seconds slower at the first split than Neuville :O

[arko5]

Kościuszko stopped

[Fast Eddie WRC]

any livestreams from powerstage?

Maybe here ??? Ceremonia de Arranque - TV4 (http://www.tv4guanajuato.com/enlinea/)

[Tom206wrc]

No second split for Hirvonen :s

[smsgrafica]

Not a great 4th split for Neuville

[smsgrafica]

Hirvonen 13.9s faster after split 4

[eestlane]

Ogier retires!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Østberg says he's conserving his tyres... for the Power Stage.

[wwbroe]

Not a great 4th split for Neuville

I agree, not a great split, something must have happened.

[Tom206wrc]

Atkinson :confused:

[wwbroe]

What???

[HarriK]

Is there any rallyradio for android?

[WRC3]

I prefer 2 or 3 splits for stages like that, working splits, not these one, 9 splits and Yes - No - Yes - No. Its stupid. Its the third Rally this year and same problem! They getting lot of money to do that job seriously.

[Tom206wrc]

Ogier retires!


What are you talking about :confused:

[wwbroe]

Ogier retires!

Where did you get that???

[Langdale Forest]

Ogier retires!

Matthew Wilson become WRC champion.

[52Paddy]

where do we get reliable live timing please?

[RAS007]

Ogier retires!

It's the only way Mikko is going to win anything this year.

[cosmin_sb]

Benito Guerra arrive at finish

[arko5]

imagination

[WRC3]

Matthew Wilson become WRC champion.

Matthew Wilson won a WRC Race when I playing XBox WRC3 ... no joke! And I can agree (I played as Novikov), the Russian make many mistakes ... :-)

[Langdale Forest]

Garcia Fessman crash = epic fail

[eestlane]

Hirvonen flying.

[wwbroe]

Hirvonen is securing his second place, something like 20 sec faster as Neuville now.

[WRC3]

And Neuville started to save tyres as Ogier, for getting points at Power stage.

[Tom206wrc]

Normally Atkinson gets his 6th position now ;)

[eestlane]

20 seconds faster than anybody. Finaly fast Mikko

[Sprocket]

20 seconds faster than anybody. Finaly fast Mikko

If Ogier were not backed off, he would be 30 seconds faster. Good work from Mikko though.

[WRC3]

If MIkko get points on Power stage with that speed, he is really fast. But I think, Ostberg and Ogier save tyres and get finally that points.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Neuville backed off to save tyres for the PS ?

Edit - no, off the road :(

[EightGear]

Ogier will blow everyone away at the Powerstage.

[RAS007]

Neuville backed off to save tyres for the PS ?

I think so, yes.

[Sprocket]

I think so, yes.

I could be wrong, but I think Neuville had a moment in stage, went into ditch? Hence slow time lost 30 seconds.

[Sprocket]

Mikko through, takes stage win.

[dimviii]

[SS21] Martin Prokop (Ford) 37:52.3 - Very long stage and felt that, no problems. He thinks that something may have been thrown at the car which popped out a rear side window.

[Tom206wrc]

[SS21] Martin Prokop (Ford) 37:52.3 - Very long stage and felt that, no problems. He thinks that something may have been thrown at the car which popped out a rear side window.


People throwing stones at cars ??? mmmmh a classic in southern american rallies :rolleyes:

[Sprocket]

[SS21] Thierry Neuville (Ford) 36:20.1 - He had a huge moment under braking for a tight corner, slid off the road and into a ditch Went off, very lucky to get it back.


Respect to Thierry for the push and MW for allowing it.

[GigiGalliNo1]

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/03/11/7y6araza.jpg

:)

[eestlane]

Boring rally. No rolls so far :D

[smsgrafica]

Boring rally. No rolls so far :D
There has been one. I'll post you the link as soon as I get to 15 messages...

[smsgrafica]

Good luck for Neuville after his scare. Glad he could manage to get away with it!

[smsgrafica]

Who do you think will win the extra points?

1.) Ogier
2.) Latvala
3.) Ostberg

So, no live feed?

[smsgrafica]

Boring rally. No rolls so far :D

http://youtu.be/H3zzpoUutAE
Go to 1:04

[WRC3]

Who do you think will win the extra points?

1.) Ogier
2.) Latvala
3.) Ostberg

So, no live feed?

Ogier 3, Ostberg 2, Neuville 1

[Mirek]

http://youtu.be/H3zzpoUutAE
Go to 1:04

S..t happens :)

[WRC3]

S..t happens :)
I thought exact the same ... also at 0.10, crazy place ...

[Sprocket]

Who do you think will win the extra points?

1.) Ogier
2.) Latvala
3.) Ostberg

So, no live feed?

My prediction too. Seems all WRC points apart from Loeb's remaining rounds are now Ogier's for the taking. Mikko would be mad to push on the power stage and has probably wrecked his tyres keeping Neuville behind. Latvala and Ostberg have little to lose so will push on the power stage.

[Tom206wrc]

Ogier would be mad to risk too, you know ;)

[Sprocket]

Ogier would be mad to risk too, you know ;)

Ogier is mad!

[smsgrafica]

Ostberg 1.8s quicker than JML after split 2

[smsgrafica]

Latvala: 13'08"7

[Tom206wrc]

What happened to Kosciuszko on SS21 exactly :confused:

[smsgrafica]

Ostberg: 13'06"4

[WRC3]

If Ostberg is slower than JML, I would be surprised. He has nothing to loose (JML too), and thought he keep tyres after ss21.

Edit: 2.3 sec gap is not that much I thought.

[A FONDO]

What happened to Kosciuszko on SS21 exactly :confused:

That mini jalopy fallen apart, what else..

[Tom206wrc]

Novikov very slow :confused:

[smsgrafica]

Novikov decided not to push

[Tom206wrc]

Block a bit faster than Atkinson on split 1...will he go to take back the 6th position ??? :p :

[makinen_fan]

Go to 1:04

I think that an ex-Ramona Karlsson EVO. That's what she tweeted earlier today

[Tom206wrc]

That mini jalopy fallen apart, what else..


Now they write "mechanical" for the reason of his retirement :mark:

[smsgrafica]

No 1st split for Sordo, Neuville off the pace.

[Tom206wrc]

Not a good first split for Neuville :mark: he won't get any points of the powerstage ;)

[WRC3]

Neuville also slow, so he secure his third overall. So wait what Ogier will do, but I suppose he make it. He is not that kind of driver who give his teammate a win. I remember him when he was with Mikkelsen and the norwegian was faster ...

[smsgrafica]

Ostberg granted a minimum of 1 extra point with Sordo +10s on split 2