Rally Discussion and Bar Talk Thread

[dimviii]

didnt watch the rally,but i read at twitter that the bonnet opened midstage and broke his windscreen

[steve.mandzij]

didnt watch the rally,but i read at twitter that the bonnet opened midstage and broke his windscreenHe also lost a minute with a puncture.

[N.O.T]

He also lost a minute with a puncture.

Its USA.. he should have 1 minute difference on each stage from the second runner.

[Rallyper]

young solberg should look elsewhere for a career when he cannot even beat local cowboys in a USA rally.

Well, I guess he takes every opportunity to make progress. A side of his rallies in Lithuania and Estonia I reccon US is a part of his learning program. Couldn´t we agree on that we should wait until he has taken part in real competition, let´s say 18 months from now. Then we´ll see... ;)

[EstWRC]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D2OXt9KUwAEus23.jpg


https://twitter.com/WRCMXExperience/status/1108896777841725441

[dimviii]

https://twitter.com/IDEAMotorCars/status/1109044641310146560

[AnttiL]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D2OXt9KUwAEus23.jpg


https://twitter.com/WRCMXExperience/status/1108896777841725441

They used the Danosizer plugin?

[the sniper]

David Evans and Colin Clark visit the scene of Henri Toivonen and co-driver Sergio Cresto's fatal accident in this video: https://www.autosport.com/wrc/news/142540/video-toivonen-and-group-b-tragic-mystery

[deephouse]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D2OXt9KUwAEus23.jpg


https://twitter.com/WRCMXExperience/status/1108896777841725441

They should include Elena in it... Oh wait he originally looks like that

[Barreis]

with the cigarette :D

[Allez Andruet]

https://yle.fi/urheilu/3-10718235

FIA's former WRC frontman, recently retired Jarmo Mahonen reveals in a Finnish interview that total of 27 countries applied for a WRC event for 2018 season. According to Mahonen, "unfortunately it's ever more often the one with the most money, who's awarded with the hosting rights".

For the calls for longer rallies Mahonen has quite a practical answer: "organizing a WRC rally costs roughly 3000€ per km". Most are probably capable to do the math from that.

Mahonen also points out, how unequal the organizers are when it comes to financial side of things. Most European rallies must constantly come up with new ideas to secure the funding, but for example the upcoming rally in Chile will be completely funded by the government.

[denkimi]

https://yle.fi/urheilu/3-10718235

FIA's former WRC frontman, recently retired Jarmo Mahonen reveals in a Finnish interview that total of 27 countries applied for a WRC event for 2018 season. According to Mahonen, "unfortunately it's ever more often the one with the most money, who's awarded with the hosting rights".

For the calls for longer rallies Mahonen has quite a practical answer: "organizing a WRC rally costs roughly 3000€ per km". Most are probably capable to do the math from that.

Mahonen also points out, how unequal the organizers are when it comes to financial side of things. Most European rallies must constantly come up with new ideas to secure the funding, but for example the upcoming rally in Chile will be completely funded by the government.
Most of the costs remain the same, even if the number of stage miles would increase. So the financial excuse for short rally's is just bullshit.

[Allez Andruet]

Most of the costs remain the same, even if the number of stage miles would increase. So the financial excuse for short rally's is just bullshit.

I wonder how that logic works?

[Berke]

Dakar moving to Saudi Arabia. Don't know what to say...

https://www.motorsport.com/dakar/news/dakar-rally-2020-saudi-arabia/4364574/

[Gregor-y]

didnt watch the rally,but i read at twitter that the bonnet opened midstage and broke his windscreen

I ran timing on four stages. The first time he came through cleanly. The second time the left front wing was gone. The third time was just after the hood smashed his windscreen with some other front end damage that loosened the hood. The final run was clean, too. Dave Higgins clearly led from Solberg (15-20 seconds per stage I timed) and McKenna (maybe ten seconds) but lost four minutes with a breakdown.

Not counting Dave Higgins dropping to third due to an electrical issue Solberg didn't to badly at all. He was beat by an Irishman with prior experience in an S2000 Turbo Fiesta. For the wealthier locals R5, 3 and kit Fiestas are starting to replace the ubiquitous Imprezas.

[denkimi]

I wonder how that logic works?
Basically most of what you need for a rally stays the same, no matter the amount of stage kilometers. Service area, regroup area, rally HQ, media facilities, hospitality, timing equipment, radio, website, tickets, fences, ...

If you make the stages longer but keep the same number of them, then all you need are some extra marshals.

[denkimi]

Dakar moving to Saudi Arabia. Don't know what to say...

https://www.motorsport.com/dakar/news/dakar-rally-2020-saudi-arabia/4364574/
I hope its an aprils fool, but it seems a bit late for that..

Either a lot of laws will have to change in SA, or this could be the end of the dakar.

[Allez Andruet]

Basically most of what you need for a rally stays the same, no matter the amount of stage kilometers. Service area, regroup area, rally HQ, media facilities, hospitality, timing equipment, radio, website, tickets, fences, ...
That's highly theoretical, unlikely to be replicated in reality.


If you make the stages longer but keep the same number of them, then all you need are some extra marshals.
Really? No need for additional money to repair the roads etc?

[Mirek]

That's highly theoretical, unlikely to be replicated in reality.


Really? No need for additional money to repair the roads etc?

... and ambulances, firemen and a fuckton of extra paperwork

[the sniper]

Basically most of what you need for a rally stays the same, no matter the amount of stage kilometers. Service area, regroup area, rally HQ, media facilities, hospitality, timing equipment, radio, website, tickets, fences, ...

If you make the stages longer but keep the same number of them, then all you need are some extra marshals.

I can't speak for every country, but neither should you. In the UK for example there are major costs associated with the charges levied by the forest owners for use of their roads. For example, if you were organising a forest rally in Scotland in 2016, you'd have been paying Forestry Commission Scotland £688 for each mile used on a first run, plus £408 for a subsequent second pass. These charges have only gone up since then. That's a flat rate, so it doesn't matter how many cars have entered the rally...

[AnttiL]

As for just making the stages longer - it's not so easy to find rallyable roads or get permission to all of them. Once you drive more long stages, you start needing more remote refuels and stuff, which also adds up to the cost. A longer route would also need a longer recce and longer service intervals for the cars. More tyres, more spare parts.

[Rallyper]

... and ambulances, firemen and a fuckton of extra paperwork

Repairing costs, agree. Longer stages doesn´t automatically require more ambulances, firemen etz. However extending number of stages does...

[AnttiL]

Repairing costs, agree. Longer stages doesn´t automatically require more ambulances, firemen etz. However extending number of stages does...

In Finland a lot of local rallies have stages with lengths of 14.99 km or 29.99 km. Why? Because every 15 km they need to add a full medical/fire crew and have a cleared escape road.

[Rallyper]

In Finland a lot of local rallies have stages with lengths of 14.99 km or 29.99 km. Why? Because every 15 km they need to add a full medical/fire crew and have a cleared escape road.

Didn´t know that. Is it same rules from FIA then?

[AnttiL]

Didn´t know that. Is it same rules from FIA then?

Would you imagine FIA would have less demands for organizing a rally stage than a national non-championship event? ;)

[Co-driven]

In Finland a lot of local rallies have stages with lengths of 14.99 km or 29.99 km. Why? Because every 15 km they need to add a full medical/fire crew and have a cleared escape road.

I think Italy also has something similar, but I think it's every 7km instead of 15km.

[Mirek]

I think Italy also has something similar, but I think it's every 7km instead of 15km.

That's because you need for the same distance twice more time in Italy than in Finland :D

[Rallyper]

Would you imagine FIA would have less demands for organizing a rally stage than a national non-championship event? ;)

Yep. Why not?

[pantealex]

Yep. Why not?

Probably yes.
If you look where people can spectate. Finland national is more demanding.
If you look how many marshalls is standing in stages. Finland national is more demanding.

Maybe some other areas are much demanding in WRC events.

[AnttiL]

If you look where people can spectate. Finland national is more demanding.
If you look how many marshalls is standing in stages. Finland national is more demanding.
Are you comparing a national rally to Rally Finland or rallies like Argentina where the spectators can do whatever they want?

[pantealex]

Are you comparing a national rally to Rally Finland or rallies like Argentina where the spectators can do whatever they want?

Not to Rally Finland. For most others yes.

[AnttiL]

Hmm. I haven't visited the foreign rallies but I have a feeling that Monte and Argentina have only some forbidden areas, other than that everything goes. On most other rallies it's the other way around. Only spectate at spectator areas and everything else is not allowed for public. Of course, in rallies like Finland and Sweden you see the experienced spectators finding their own paths to the stages and behaving well, but not on the small roads of Turkey, Mexico, Sardegna or Portugal.

[steve.mandzij]

Hmm. I haven't visited the foreign rallies but I have a feeling that Monte and Argentina have only some forbidden areas, other than that everything goes. On most other rallies it's the other way around. Only spectate at spectator areas and everything else is not allowed for public. Of course, in rallies like Finland and Sweden you see the experienced spectators finding their own paths to the stages and behaving well, but not on the small roads of Turkey, Mexico, Sardegna or Portugal.Having been to Argentina there aren't allowed areas, only restricted areas, and marshalls yell at you when or if they deem you're at risk. It's pretty lenient, and I can't say I felt 100% safe in some areas, but it's good that they're unobtrusive and quite liberal. The crowds, generally, are understanding and compliant too.

Controls on El Cóndor particularly were quite good... Except for some people standing on the edge of a cliff, behind a knee tall stone wall, on a fast, bumpy straight section.

[cali]

Hmm. I haven't visited the foreign rallies but I have a feeling that Monte and Argentina have only some forbidden areas, other than that everything goes. On most other rallies it's the other way around. Only spectate at spectator areas and everything else is not allowed for public. Of course, in rallies like Finland and Sweden you see the experienced spectators finding their own paths to the stages and behaving well, but not on the small roads of Turkey, Mexico, Sardegna or Portugal.In Catalunya there was a freedom of movement on all stages and I actually thought at least the Shakedown was tad bit too loose on safetywise. But other than that I actually don't remember seeing that many marshalls.

[AnttiL]

https://www.instagram.com/p/BwCxsXPgU8j/

Interesting story from Robert Reid from the 1996 Safari and how the event changed when suddenly all works teams had to take part.

[Rally Power]

The perfect hybrid system for the WRC?

From 2022 the BTCC will use a light, cost effective, low-voltage hybrid system, additional to current turbo engines: http://www.btcc.net/2019/04/10/toca-invites-tenders-for-btcc-hybrid-introduction/

[janvanvurpa]

https://www.instagram.com/p/BwCxsXPgU8j/

Interesting story from Robert Reid from the 1996 Safari and how the event changed when suddenly all works teams had to take part.

that was fun. And a bit funny too .."Tommi practiced for 20+ days in a GpA car and soon worked out that going flat out was not going to last long."

Unintentionally funny, maybe.?

..20+ days is soon?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Info on the brand new Peugeot 208 R2:

https://media.peugeot-sport.com/en/new-peugeot-208r2-turns-wheel-first-time

[GravelBen]

Mads having a good time at the Otago Rally prizegiving :D

https://www.facebook.com/MadsOstbergRally/videos/654296068333142/

[the sniper]

Familiar face at 00:55... https://twitter.com/VHSRallies/status/1119664339315822592

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Baby Meeke !
https://i.imgur.com/4Wiy00r.jpg

[BigWorm]

Baby Meeke !
https://i.imgur.com/4Wiy00r.jpg

Is it Wearden?

[dimviii]

Is it Wearden?

yeap

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Most important Performance Car of 1980... Renault 5 Turbo or Audi Quattro.

Who wins ?
https://www.itv.com/hub/the-car-years/2a6359a0004

[Zeakiwi2]

Apols if this has been put up already the pumped up Honda civic

https://www.thedrive.com/news/28181/safari-style-honda-civic-type-r-is-a-rally-ready-overlanding-hatchback

[spiderem]

https://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/news/may-2019/on-this-day/page/6371--12-12-.html

LOL. Oh Jari Matti, I so wished this win would have been the key to unlock your potential... (so did Malcom I guess). Turn out that the following 10 years you have been frustrating the sh$t out of us with the constant roller coaster that you bring between boost and confidence!

[steve.mandzij]

https://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/news/may-2019/on-this-day/page/6371--12-12-.html

LOL. Oh Jari Matti, I so wished this win would have been the key to unlock your potential... (so did Malcom I guess). Turn out that the following 10 years you have been frustrating the sh$t out of us with the constant roller coaster that you bring between boost and confidence!We've been entertained for the past 10 years at least :) his flashes of brilliance are quite the sight to behold, and even more when things go wrong and he lets rip his colorful vocabulary!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Most important Performance Car of 1980... Renault 5 Turbo or Audi Quattro.

Who wins ?
https://www.itv.com/hub/the-car-years/2a6359a0004

If you didnt or couldnt watch this, it was a comparison of the rally-derived mid-engined 5 Turbo and the Quattro which became the first 4WD rally car.

And to my surprise the 5 Turbo won !

They basically said because it was the first hatchback converted to mid-engine and was the design that instigated the Group B cars that followed.

[Rally Hokkaido]

Not too many seasons ago, some crews were fined for doing `doughnuts`. However, `doughnuts` have recently become almost compulsory on SSS. This weekend will see the shortest ever SS in FIA championship rally at APRC Montre Rally and...................it is just a `doughnut`!
https://rally-montre.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/communication_A06.pdf

[Mirek]

Wtf?

[Rally Hokkaido]

Wtf?

Exactly!

[EstWRC]

LMAO...whats the idea of this ?

[Rally Hokkaido]

LMAO...whats the idea of this ?

All part of the 'show' that current Organisers think they need to add to their events, I suppose. What's next for SSS, co-drivers skydiving into their seat while drivers balance an egg on a spoon in their mouth??!!
More SSS like this 'doughnut' and the 'drag race' planned for Rally GB and the FIA will want to introduce a 1/100th second timing rule so a stage winner can be declared! 　　

[AnttiL]

All part of the 'show' that current Organisers think they need to add to their events, I suppose. What's next for SSS, co-drivers skydiving into their seat while drivers balance an egg on a spoon in their mouth??!!
More SSS like this 'doughnut' and the 'drag race' planned for Rally GB and the FIA will want to introduce a 1/100th second timing rule so a stage winner can be declared!

What about style points?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Remember when Panizzi did a donut in front of the fans in Spain - everyone thought that was great.

It's not donuts that are the problem, its when the stage is only a about a donut.

[AnttiL]

Remember when Panizzi did a donut in front of the fans in Spain - everyone thought that was great.

It's not donuts that are the problem, its when the stage is only a about a donut.

I've always wondered about donuts in the middle/end of long stages (like in Santa Marina in Catalunya or Great Orme last year), what if there's another car behind?

[Mirek]

Unfortunately this thing got to our championship as well. There is one such mandatory donut in one stage of Rallye Český Krumlov but at least it is placed just after the start so that there is no such risk of two cars being there in the same time.

[Hartusvuori]

Remember when Panizzi did a donut in front of the fans in Spain - everyone thought that was great.

It's not donuts that are the problem, its when the stage is only a about a donut.

You are mixing things. Panizzi's donut was not in the roadbook and that's why it was so cool. If Ott Tänak will do a donut this year in Kakaristo junction THAT is cool, but just because it'd underline his dominance.

[liposh]

I've always wondered about donuts in the middle/end of long stages (like in Santa Marina in Catalunya or Great Orme last year), what if there's another car behind?

Standard traffic rules on roundabouts? , I guess :D

[Fast Eddie WRC]

You are mixing things. Panizzi's donut was not in the roadbook and that's why it was so cool. If Ott Tänak will do a donut this year in Kakaristo junction THAT is cool, but just because it'd underline his dominance.

Fair point. But a donut is still quite cool, but as long as its only a little part and not the main feature of an SSS.

[Mirek]

Fair point. But a donut is still quite cool, but as long as its only a little part and not the main feature of an SSS.

I don't agree because a forced donut is not cool at all. Please don't forget that usually a majority of the entry field is FWD cars and at least part of the 4WD drivers don't know how to do a proper donut. In the end at least half of the entry field is only driving in circles like idiots.

Let's keep donuts where they belong - to celebrations, show or spontaneous actions of drivers who know how to do them and who have cars which can do them.

[racerx1979]

I don't agree because a forced donut is not cool at all. Please don't forget that usually a majority of the entry field is FWD cars and at least part of the 4WD drivers don't know how to do a proper donut. In the end at least half of the entry field is only driving in circles like idiots.

Let's keep donuts where they belong - to celebrations, show or spontaneous actions of drivers who know how to do them and who have cars which can do them.

This is very true. The top WRC guys and a few R5 guys are okay with donuts, but the majority of the drivers hate them...

[Rally Power]

Was thumbing through some of my old rally books yesterday and found some pics from the 1975 Rally Portugal at Estoril. Now not sure if it was a post event "slalom" or a stage during the actual rally but looked suspiciously like the cars were dancing round cones!

It was a post event slalom; in the 70’s and 80’s Portugal Rally used to be run from Wednesday to Saturday and on Sunday there was a public prize giving ceremony at Estoril circuit followed by a slalom, with most of the drivers (including some that didn’t managed to finish the rally) always eager to please a giant crowd.

[Morte66]

Almost seven weeks to Finland. So, um, what are we supposed to do with ourselves?

[steve.mandzij]

Almost seven weeks to Finland. So, um, what are we supposed to do with ourselves?I'll try to watch every red bull review of the season in the meantime

[Mk2 RS2000]

Almost seven weeks to Finland. So, um, what are we supposed to do with ourselves?

Someone could start a "Looking for NOT" page and we could all post photos of where we have been looking for him and not found him during the break.

[GravelBen]

Almost seven weeks to Finland. So, um, what are we supposed to do with ourselves?

Local / national / regional rallies ;)

[KiwiWRCfan]

Almost seven weeks to Finland. So, um, what are we supposed to do with ourselves?
Debate the questions "Will Gabriele Tarquini and Andrea Adamo be a surprise entry in Rally Finland ?" followed by ""Do Gabriele Tarquini and Andrea Adamo go to the same barber ?"

[T16]

Someone could start a "Looking for NOT" page and we could all post photos of where we have been looking for him and not found him during the break.

Has he disappeared then?

[KiwiWRCfan]

Barman please pour me an extra strong drink, anything except Irish Whisky or Guinness and no I don't feel like conversation today.
It's a done deal so good luck to that Breen guy, now leave me alone for a bit.

[AnttiL]

Barman please pour me an extra strong drink, anything except Irish Whisky or Guinness and no I don't feel like conversation today.
It's a done deal so good luck to that Breen guy, now leave me alone for a bit.

And no one give him a hug please.

[Rallyper]

Someone could start a "Looking for NOT" page and we could all post photos of where we have been looking for him and not found him during the break.

Yeah. As you´ve seen I started the thread and discussion went on. Good.

I also said I´d close thread, however the non transparancy showed up and Pino couldn´t let me do it tomorrow. See what I mean?

That´s kind of humiliating to me, just showing certain people aren´t better than others.

[KiwiWRCfan]

Welcome to July.
Does something feel like it is missing in your world at the moment ?
Could it be next years WRC calendar that was expected to be at the end of June ?
Is everyone in Europe on summer holidays ?
Does this mean the calendar can wait ?
Will the 2020 calendar be announced this week, this month or not until August ?
Must be time to enjoy a drink while we wait.

[Franky]

Welcome to July.
Does something feel like it is missing in your world at the moment ?
Could it be next years WRC calendar that was expected to be at the end of June ?
Is everyone in Europe on summer holidays ?
Does this mean the calendar can wait ?
Will the 2020 calendar be announced this week, this month or not until August ?
Must be time to enjoy a drink while we wait.

Maybe FIA got a heat stroke?

[deephouse]

https://www.eightmotoring.sg/2019/07/01/mitsubishi-evo-11-is-confirmed-on-the-way/?fbclid=IwAR2KpopwwvZArPmQAncEtqbKQ533NPQf7ZcfCy0g Bz0lB71dQG_rjyXcYTc

What do you guys thinks about that. EVO? Hybrid power? Could that be that they intend to enter the world stage with it?

[Barreis]

longest SS from this year's Safari is 38.52km. that's a joke when we compare it with an old Safari

[racerx1979]

In order to keep things safe the Safari rally will be run on private roads. I'm surprised they found a 38 km stage on private land. You should be happy!

[steve.mandzij]

In order to keep things safe the Safari rally will be run on private roads. I'm surprised they found a 38 km stage on private land. You should be happy!It'd be funny if the Safari had only three stages with the length limit :D

[stefanvv]

It'd be funny if the Safari had only three stages with the length limit :D

they never had. Even back then it had it's own rules.

[AnttiL]

longest SS from this year's Safari is 38.52km. that's a joke when we compare it with an old Safari

I already said this a year ago: they should have named it WRC Rally Kenya instead of Safari to get rid of these endless discussions.Times have changed. You can watch the old videos for nostalgy.

[Rallyper]

I already said this a year ago: they should have named it WRC Rally Kenya instead of Safari to get rid of these endless discussions.Times have changed. You can watch the old videos for nostalgy.

However rename it as Rally Kenya, it´s no longer interesting for FIA nor sponsors...

[tommeke_B]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHhgXMUzcjI

Not the best news to end the candidate event with... ;)

[AnttiL]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHhgXMUzcjI

Not the best news to end the candidate event with... ;)

Why the winking smiley? :(

[Allez Andruet]

Why the winking smiley? :(

Atleast it's better than the wanking smiley.

[Mk2 RS2000]

Just a thought, Hyundai hired Breen as opposed to Paddon to secure manufacturers points. In doing so they released Paddon to score points for an opposition manufacturers team. Did they take Paddon’s loyalty for granted? Only time will tell if it was a smart decision

[Rallyper]

Just a thought, Hyundai hired Breen as opposed to Paddon to secure manufacturers points. In doing so they released Paddon to score points for an opposition manufacturers team. Did they take Paddon’s loyalty for granted? Only time will tell if it was a smart decision

Huyndai did a silly mistake. Their selfconfidence played them being fools...

[Barreis]

well, at least we will have nice fight to watch between Breen and Paddon

[KiwiWRCfan]

what time does the bar open today ?
May need to pop in to celebrate or commiserate later on.

[racerx1979]

what time does the bar open today ?
May need to pop in to celebrate or commiserate later on.

Well you better hurry. Everything usually closes by around 4-6 pm in NZ (joking but not joking)

[deephouse]

Just a thought, Hyundai hired Breen as opposed to Paddon to secure manufacturers points. In doing so they released Paddon to score points for an opposition manufacturers team. Did they take Paddon’s loyalty for granted? Only time will tell if it was a smart decision

M-Sport isn't a threat to Hyundai in any of championships

[AnttiL]

M-Sport isn't a threat to Hyundai in any of championships

You didn't realize the point. If Adamo had hired Paddon, then Breen would have remained a free agent for his rivals. By hiring Breen he thought Paddon would sit out the rally and the competitors wouldn't get a Rally Finland expert. But now Paddon could finish ahead of the Hyundais, meaning that Hyundai gets less manufacturer points.

[denkimi]

You didn't realize the point. If Adamo had hired Paddon, then Breen would have remained a free agent for his rivals. By hiring Breen he thought Paddon would sit out the rally and the competitors wouldn't get a Rally Finland expert. But now Paddon could finish ahead of the Hyundais, meaning that Hyundai gets less manufacturer points.
That makes no sense at all. Nobody would have hired breen, because nobody needed or wanted another driver.

If they would considered him a finland expert, they would have hired him. But apparently adamo believes breen will do better here than paddon.

[Tarmop]

Oh yes, hiring someone insteed of their own driver, who knows the car and was the fastest of them last year makes otherwise perfect sense...

We, "mortals", will never know, what an why it is going on in some managers head.

[AnttiL]

Maybe Adamo knew in advance that Breen was looking for a Rally Finland WRC drive. He could have well ended up where Paddon is now.

[dimviii]

lol
https://twitter.com/PorkyInside/status/1148616109161140225

[dimviii]

Neuville became father

https://www.lesoir.be/235493/article/2019-07-09/bonne-nouvelle-pour-thierry-neuville-il-devient-papa-dune-petite-camille

[mknight]

Somehow I got linked to this vid:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=5&v=KmAS-U3AA4U
kind of reminded me of janvanpura talking about the pro-racers in the US.

[Franky]

A bit different post to the bar than usual.

Planning a holiday to Sardinia and for the first time have luggage in the tickets, so I could bring back some nice mirto. Need to start preparing for the winter feasts. Anyone got recommendations where to get good mirto in Sardinia?

[Jajá]

Hi, all, got a question for you experts: I have never been to a tarmac rally and am planning to do so next year. Which one would you recommend as the best shot for a first tarmac experience? Thanks in advance for your attention and tips!

[the sniper]

Probably best to wait and see which tarmac rallies are actually on the calendar next year!

[dimviii]

Toyota has changed Tommi Mäkinen's life. At 55, the farmer of Puuppola, world champion with Mitsubishi in the late 90s, has begun a new stage in Tallinn (Estonia), from where he directs with his current partner one of the most powerful teams in the World Cup, architect of the Impressive Yaris WRC with which the new star of this world, Ott Tänak, is now running to dethrone Ogier.

What have the rallies brought you as a person, before and now?
Very much. I have had a very rich life thanks to this sport. Many things have happened to me during all these years, mostly positive. If I had not dedicated myself to this, I would surely have continued working on the family farm. I still keep her with my cousins, who are the ones who take care of her, but the thing is complicated by the drought and the cold of this summer. We should make better contacts up there ... [Laughs].
Isn't it rare military now in a brand that rivaled for so many years?
[Laughs] It's funny, yes! The other day he remembered the scandal of 95, when they disqualified them from the World Cup because of an irregularity in the turbo. The FIA ​​began investigating during the Rally of Australia. We did a super special in Perth, with a first asphalt line that we went out in pairs. I had Juha Kankkunen next to me, with Celica, and I remember that, when the traffic light went out, it flew! We all hallucinate ... It was stupid of him to accelerate to the maximum, if he had raised his foot a little, nobody would have realized that there was something strange ... [Laughs].
What do you remember about the RAC Rally of 98?
It was a hard time ... I had to retire the first day because of a serious mistake by the organizers. They did not clean enough a curve where a classic caravan car had broken the oil radiator. I left opening track and, upon reaching that area, I skidded and started the right rear wheel. I managed to finish, but the cops didn't let me go on like this for the link. On the last day of the rally I was doing a television interview at the hotel reception, about to leave for the airport, when they called me on the phone telling me that a fire incident had occurred in Carlos Sainz's car, and that I was stopped 300 meters from the arrival. I thought they were playing a joke, I couldn't believe it ... I didn't like winning the World Cup like that, it was the stupidest way to finish the championship.
What was it like to compete against Sainz? Do you consider him your greatest rival?
Carlos has always been a very elegant adversary, very good guy. I have very good memories of when we were running together. At that time we were always fighting among several drivers: Didier Auriol, Juha Kankkunen, Richard Burns ... I remember facing Colin McRae many times. We always gave the maximum of both. If he left or I left, most of the time it was because we crashed. We were going to the limit ... [Laughs].

Mäkinen, answering a question from our editor; Nacho Villarín.
Mäkinen, answering a question from our editor; Nacho Villarín.

What happened to Carlos Sainz? I didn't like winning the World Cup like this "

What was more effort: winning four World Cups or raising a team like this in just one year?
Without a doubt, the first. When you get behind the wheel, you have to concentrate one hundred percent and do your best. As a team leader, you have 200 people around you, helping you. They are two very different roles. When I ran, I needed professionals around me to be able to perform my task, and I trusted them, of course, but in the end, I was the decision maker. Now I let the people next to me do their part of the job. As chief, I am lucky to know what my pilots think, I try to give them what they need and always support them, because I have been through the same situations before them.
Have rallies changed a lot since the end of his career with Subaru?
It's very interesting, I used to see this world through the windshield, and now from the outside. Cars evolved a lot during the last years of my career, the way of driving changed with the incorporation of active differentials. Now they behave even more differently, especially because of the evolution that suspension and shock absorber geometries have been experiencing. The degree of adhesion has increased greatly. That makes cars can be pushed to the limit.
Does the Tänak-Toyota binomial roll back yours with Mitsubishi?
Ott is very similar to how I was. I was always alone, in silence, locked in myself. I hated doing interviews, I didn't like being distracted ... He is very strong minded, knows very well what he wants and has a very precise working method. It is always very concentrated. It is very fast, very clever and very difficult to beat. He understands the car very well and what there must be to get the most out of it.
It perfectly conserves mechanics and tires. He is even stronger than I was with the Lancer Evo Group A.

Tänak is very similar to what I was; it's very fast, very clever and very difficult to beat "

Mäkinen celebrates with Tänak the triumph in the Thousand Lakes. / Toyota

I know that last year he suggested signing Sordo. Would you be willing?
I am very interested. I assure you that it is very high on our list. He is a very good guy and tremendously constant. After the Rally of Germany we will analyze more seriously what path we take for next year.
Would you like Alonso to try the Yaris?
Yes, why not? We talked at the time, but we didn't move anything. It is a bit complicated, because we do not have many days of tests. It would have to be at a promotional event or something. At the moment we do not have it planned. A few days ago he was shooting with the Valtteri Bottas car, I was very surprised, it was very fast ..

https://www.marca.com/motor/rallies/2019/08/17/5d4ef526268e3e19698b4613.html

[KiwiWRCfan]

An Irishman, a Scotsman, an Englishman and a Welshman walked into a bar to discuss who would host Rally GB is future years. The Irishman pulled out a copy of his local Belfast paper and said I don't know what we are going to talk about, it seems to have already been sorted. https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/motor-sport/no-decision-in-sight-over-whether-world-rally-series-will-return-to-ni-38410531.html

[spiderem]

I was wondering, if VW wouldn't have pull out, would have Tanak (and Neuville) become as good as they are now?

Meaning, Ogier+Polo was almost un-beatable, forcing the others to "overdrive", leading to crashes and poor consistency, resulting in frustration (?), and ultimately preventing drivers from reaching a higher level.

What are your thoughts?

Similar to the Hirvonen / Loeb era, would Hirvonen have become another driver in case Loeb+Citroen combo stop?

[mknight]

Neuville had enough crashes/i consistency even with Ogier in Fiesta. Maybe even more cause he had an advantage on start of the year and was too nervous as a result of that leading to Monte and Sweden crashes imo.

Not so sure about Tänak who first really developed as a driver when Ogier came to Msport. Would he get so consistent without working with Ogier for a year?

[Tarmop]

He was that consistent with DMack already...you can argue, that there was no pressure and places weren`t that high etcetc, but he managed quite average results, where DMack didn`t perform...and where DMack performed, he performed quite well too.
Neuville`s i20 in Monte was the car i believe...same thing happened to that car a few times after also.

[mknight]

First time he started consistently fighting for win was after Portugal 2017, almost 6 moths after Ogier came.

2016 with 5-7. places and multiple crashes is not exactly the same. Neither is first half of 2017.

[Tarmop]

What multiple crashes? You mean one crash in Portugal, a crater, where Paddon wrote his i20 off and many had just pure luck? Or a roll in Monte, which yes, was a roll, but i believe didn`t affect his place even? Finland was a crash yes, in an intense podium fight. Only one then...

And what was there wrong with the first half of 2017? Mistake in Corsica, yes...Ogier made one in Finland for example...

[dimviii]

Rich Millener

So the question is.... did Teemu ever get out....??? @TeemuSuninenRac
@GreensmithGus
@OfficialWRC
@MSportLtd
#stuckinatruck

https://twitter.com/richmillener/status/1163817128291553280

[Norm75]

My wife received some pictures and video from a friend last night of a very special prize that she won.
She was at Goodwood fos and taken for high speed passenger ride with a certain Mr Solberg around the rally stage in his 2002 rally GB Impreza WRC.

Very lucky lady!

[dimviii]

Κatsuta family

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EDDBB5uXkAAnqHp?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

[SubaruNorway]

Anyone else getting loads of copyright claims from Red Bull on WRC video's?

[EstWRC]

i saw zeroundersteers post about it on instagram https://www.instagram.com/p/B1-9eUYI6lx/


quite ridiculous situation

[AnttiL]

quite ridiculous situation

In theory it's not ridiculous because WRC Promoter owns exclusive rights to publish video footage from WRC events.

Meanwhile, I personally would love to see amateur videos in the future as well.

[MartijnS]

I've heard the same from some Youtuber I know pretty good ;)

It only means you don't get income from the WRC videos right?

[AnttiL]

Remember when you hide in the bushes during Safety car...they know what you're doing. This kind of behaviour could lead into more strict prohibiting of unofficial spectating areas.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EDxzB6HXYAAT4tJ?format=jpg&name=large

This is from the clerks of the course of Rally Finland https://twitter.com/KariNuutinen/status/1169936489200926720

[AnttiL]

i saw zeroundersteers post about it on instagram https://www.instagram.com/p/B1-9eUYI6lx/

There's a comment saying they can keep their advertising revenue after all.

[Rallyper]

Remember when you hide in the bushes during Safety car...they know what you're doing. This kind of behaviour could lead into more strict prohibiting of unofficial spectating areas.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EDxzB6HXYAAT4tJ?format=jpg&name=large

This is from the clerks of the course of Rally Finland https://twitter.com/KariNuutinen/status/1169936489200926720

However this is only example of hiding.

Placing of spectators, on the other hand, is not unusual for Finland or Sweden, I think. Seen worse.

Having said that, Finland isn´t place to give examples from bad behaviours from spectators.

[bomber21]

The worst thing I have seen in my life is spectators taking selfies while sitting literally half a meter away from the point where cars were landing after a pretty big jump in Acropolis Rally 2018. I was pretty sure that someone would get killed but these guys were really lucky.

[denkimi]

In theory it's not ridiculous because WRC Promoter owns exclusive rights to publish video footage from WRC events.

Meanwhile, I personally would love to see amateur videos in the future as well.
I doubt that.

In the f1 the ticket you buy is a contract that gives all right to whatever media material you make to the promotor. If you don't give away your rights you don't make it anywhere near the track.

But in rally there are thousands of people who don't have a ticket and thus have no contractual obligation towards the promotor.

No matter what contracts the promotor has with the fia, the teams or the organization, they have no contract with me so whatever footage i make belongs solely to me.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Based in Aberystwyth, the first closed road event in Wales offering 8 stages & 44 miles on classic roads in the region is Rali Bae Ceredigion, 7th/8th September 2019.

Walesrbcrally.co.uk and LIVE on https://www.facebook.com/specialstage tomorrow.

'Rali Live' will see world-class live reporting and action from the event hosted by WRC Live’s @Becsywecsy and @EmyrPenlan
- live news from all stage ends and live action of ALL competitors on the stages with @SpecialStageuk.

https://rbcrally.co.uk/news/v/29-world-class-live-coverage-announced/

[Allez Andruet]

But in rally there are thousands of people who don't have a ticket and thus have no contractual obligation towards the promotor.

Not quite. Rallies are held on closed roads and entering such area requires a) permission to enter that specific area and as an outcome of that b) accepting the rules (incl. media) the organizer has set.

[denkimi]

Not quite. Rallies are held on closed roads and entering such area requires a) permission to enter that specific area and as an outcome of that b) accepting the rules (incl. media) the organizer has set.

the thing is that most rally's are not held on closed of area that can be controlled. there are people living there, there are people wandering through the woods or vineyard, in france they can't even charge money so there's no access control.

point is that you can't accidentally or involuntary stumble onto a f1 race, but you can with a rally.
if i can watch the cars without getting any kind of permission, whatever the reason i am able to do that, i have no legal obligations with anyone so nobody has anything to say over the video's and photos i make.

[Allez Andruet]

the thing is that most rally's are not held on closed of area that can be controlled.

On roads that are not closed by a public authority?

[denkimi]

On roads that are not closed by a public authority?
on public roads that are hundreds of kilometers long, have no fences or gates and have people living there.

[Allez Andruet]

on public roads that are hundreds of kilometers long, have no fences or gates and have people living there.

But still being closed by public authority?

[NielsH]

Not quite. Rallies are held on closed roads and entering such area requires a) permission to enter that specific area and as an outcome of that b) accepting the rules (incl. media) the organizer has set.

You can not say that, that is not the same for every country.

[the sniper]

Based in Aberystwyth, the first closed road event in Wales offering 8 stages & 44 miles on classic roads in the region is Rali Bae Ceredigion, 7th/8th September 2019.

Walesrbcrally.co.uk and LIVE on https://www.facebook.com/specialstage tomorrow.

'Rali Live' will see world-class live reporting and action from the event hosted by WRC Live’s @Becsywecsy and @EmyrPenlan
- live news from all stage ends and live action of ALL competitors on the stages with @SpecialStageuk.

https://rbcrally.co.uk/news/v/29-world-class-live-coverage-announced/

I'll be there! Really looking forward to it. Got a plan but I'll see the lay of the land in the morning...

Nice entry list for this though, with Tom Cave and Osian Pryce in R5 i20s, a few WRCs and 100+ others. https://www.ewrc-results.com/entries/58412-get-connected-rali-bae-ceredigion-2019/

[m-ast]

But still being closed by public authority?

I don’t know in france, but in Spain the authority only allows you to close, but the closure is made by the organiser

[Allez Andruet]

I don’t know in france, but in Spain the authority only allows you to close, but the closure is made by the organiser

Yes, physically it's done by the organizers, but I would be surprised if there is a place in Europe where closing a road for rallying wouldn't require an approval from some public authority.

[Franky]

I believe denkimi is on the right path. I don't think it is legally so straightforward with rallies. When there are tickets, yes. You in a way accept the terms and conditions set by the organiser, but without tickets or even fixed entry gates it gets trickier.

[Rallyper]

I think todays WRC is on a level that is so equal between cars and drivers, that surfaces and reliability on the cars are the deciders of the whole championship...

It´s not anymore so much about drivers doing heroic performances than how much rolling gravel there is...

[AnttiL]

I think todays WRC is on a level that is so equal between cars and drivers, that surfaces and reliability on the cars are the deciders of the whole championship...

It´s not anymore so much about drivers doing heroic performances than how much rolling gravel there is...

Well, car reliability was originally the basis of rallying. Driver speed became a thing then in the 80's.

Even with a good road position, you need to bring the car to the finish. We've also seen drivers win gravel rallies first on the road.

[Rallyper]

Well, car reliability was originally the basis of rallying. Driver speed became a thing then in the 80's.

Even with a good road position, you need to bring the car to the finish. We've also seen drivers win gravel rallies first on the road.

For sure. But you always point at the exception of rules.

In general it´s been much closer lately, and as said rallies decides more of position and reliability... (even though cars in the past broke down more often, mostly because of drivers handling...)

[AnttiL]

This year Neuville won Argentina and Tänak Finland first on the road. In Mexico Tänak was second and in Portugal Ogier third. Neuville retired Chile while being third.

[Rallyper]

This year Neuville won Argentina and Tänak Finland first on the road. In Mexico Tänak was second and in Portugal Ogier third. Neuville retired Chile while being third.

First on the road first day...

[KiwiWRCfan]

Q. What does Formula E have that WRC does not have ?
A. A 2020 Calendar

[Ricardo Filipe Matos]

but Formula E starts this year.

[skarderud]

Has Sebastian ogier an unknown role in this british tv-series?:)
Maybe thats what he's does after 2020https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190922/cad8fa95fda5f6adac1fc146001c9476.jpg

Sent fra min SM-G950F via Tapatalk

[dimviii]

https://twitter.com/sebmarshall/status/1176081860100800512

[EstWRC]

interesting read like always https://www.wrcwings.tech/2019/09/23/wrc-results-in-the-fastest-stages-and-aero-balance/

[Allez Andruet]

https://www.seiska.fi/Uutiset/Salasuhde-paljastui-Maisa-Torppa-viettaa-yhteisia-oita-it-pomon-kanssa-paparazzikuvat

After a long day at the office I came to check what's up at the forum and I have to say I'm utterly disappointed at all of you for missing this. Finnish Seiska magazine, probably the lowest form of media the world has ever seen, claims that JML's girlfriend has been dating another man for some six months. I just hope JML would get an unreal boost out of this, and smash everyone to bits in Wales (on special stages, not to be mistaken).

[swanny]

https://www.seiska.fi/Uutiset/Salasuhde-paljastui-Maisa-Torppa-viettaa-yhteisia-oita-it-pomon-kanssa-paparazzikuvat

After a long day at the office I came to check what's up at the forum and I have to say I'm utterly disappointed at all of you for missing this. Finnish Seiska magazine, probably the lowest form of media the world has ever seen, claims that JML's girlfriend has been dating another man for some six months. I just hope JML would get an unreal boost out of this, and smash everyone to bits in Wales (on special stages, not to be mistaken).

Maybe it's because we don't stoop to such lows :rolleyes:.

I thought they were engaged? If it's true then it's sad news, that could really screw him up, hope it doesn't.

[tr4m]

https://www.instagram.com/p/B3HJdI_hIFF/ Looks like there's a fun episode of Kitchen Table coming, regardless how you feel about the "show".

[AnttiL]

Lethal drinking game for the Colwyn Bay stage: take a shot every time a car does a donut, and a sip of beer every time it goes through a chicane.

[Allez Andruet]

Lethal drinking game for the Colwyn Bay stage: take a shot every time a car does a donut, and a sip of beer every time it goes through a chicane.

Geez, you want to get us all killed?!

[AnttiL]

I have never been much of an F1 guy, but I do remember the situation on the left.

https://i.imgur.com/5ulqdnU.jpg

[Katvala]

I'm having an incredible amount of rally fever this weekend, which is unusual so short after an event. Looking forward to Catalunya. Meanwhile, watching event highlights of previous seasons with a glass of wine.

Sent from my F8331 using Tapatalk

[meh]

I'm having an incredible amount of rally fever this weekend, which is unusual so short after an event. Looking forward to Catalunya. Meanwhile, watching event highlights of previous seasons with a glass of wine.

Sent from my F8331 using Tapatalk

Cheers!

[NickRally]

Talking about a rally fever, just came back from my first ever visit to San Marino's Rally Legend, what an incredible event and fantastic atmosphere, loved it.

[AnttiL]

I started a series on my blog which tells the history of the routes of 1000 Lakes Rally / Rally Finland. The first part covers 1973-1981. Most driving was done overnight. Both route and stage lengths varied from very long to very short.

https://itgetsfasternow.com/2019/10/18/rally-finland-route-history-i-1973-1981/

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Rally teams should check out this new battery for electric cars claiming 1500 miles between charges & to be environmentally-friendly...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7592485/Father-eight-invents-electric-car-battery-drivers-1-500-miles-without-charging-it.html

[Mirek]

The principle of aluminium-air fuel cell is not new (it's not a battery because it can't be charged!). Plenty of laboratories have been working on them for decades however so far the technology was not mature enough to go into wide scale production (I think some are used in certain military applications though). I don't believe in some sort of higher conspiracy against them. If they were so good the car manufacturers would be more than happy to use them instead of the li-ion batteries which are an expensive headache for them.

There has been a lot of seemingly groundbraking ideas which never managed to become mature enough for more than a laboratory use. Let's name for example HCCI engine which has been around for decades but till today it has not been installed in any serially produced vehicle. Let's see.

[eib1]

meanwhile in Finland

https://scontent-hel2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/74643558_3230065120368335_6055204950152052736_n.jp g?_nc_cat=103&_nc_oc=AQnzN2cJL9BW0LfmMWwcpkUM-JyRMYfd-CV0zHOK-mM-ud6fBo5HXRTFZnIlng0Z53edlx-yD3FOW9IH7ywkR3dy&_nc_ht=scontent-hel2-1.xx&oh=356b87ba4c36201868bf2c1583c7bb6d&oe=5E18C5AD

[Mirek]

Mirko Červený, one of the fathers of the Škoda 130RS and 200RS passed away. He was 85 years old.
https://www.ewrc.cz/clanek/34355-zemrel-mirko-cerveny/

[AnttiL]

KiwiWRCFan's post in the Hyundai thread made me think that rally cars don't need photoshopping for halloween costumes

http://cdn1.snaplap.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/02112041/OttTanak-RallyPoland-SS21.jpg
http://urheiluuutiset.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/Ott-Tanak-Australia-WRC-2018.jpg
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/RLHiR-I6Axg/maxresdefault.jpg
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/xUFX3dLDcv0/hqdefault.jpg

[Indreq]

Can anyone recomment some good WRC podcasts? I know of Gravel Notes and Kitchen Table, WRC official podcast hasnt put new episode out for over a month, so maybe there is something else worth listening while driving to and from office... And i mean WRC as World Rally Championship, not as World Redemption Centre (yes, i accidentally clicked on their sermon podcast :P ).

[AnttiL]

Can anyone recomment some good WRC podcasts? I know of Gravel Notes and Kitchen Table, WRC official podcast hasnt put new episode out for over a month, so maybe there is something else worth listening while driving to and from office... And i mean WRC as World Rally Championship, not as World Redemption Centre (yes, i accidentally clicked on their sermon podcast :P ).

Absolute Rally is probably the best weekly podcast

https://www.absoluterally.co.uk/

If you're strictly a WRC fan, you might need to skip some of the interviewed people, but usually every episode has something WRC related. The hosts are either rally drivers, involved in WRC teams somehow and/or motorsport journalists. Sometimes they even have WRC drivers/co-drivers or people like Julian Porter as guests.

[Neige]

A bit of advertising, but it's rally related so and I just want to share, what am I doing last 8 months.

https://www.facebook.com/RallyWeek

What I do, is trying to create some original content every week from some event that happened. I'm a month behind, but I hope will catch up until next year. Here some articles for example:

Sol Rally Barbados and huge amount of brittish drivers there - https://www.facebook.com/RallyWeek/photos/a.634632066991103/713636635757312/?type=3&theater
Sammy Yokote Rally and about Toshihiro Arai - https://www.facebook.com/RallyWeek/photos/a.634632066991103/747153739072268/?type=3&theater
Samsonas Rally Rokiškis and Tonny Gardemeister - https://www.facebook.com/RallyWeek/photos/a.634632066991103/776527046134937/?type=3&theater
Woodpecker Rally Stages and Proton Iriz R5 - https://www.facebook.com/RallyWeek/photos/a.634632066991103/787910141663294/?type=3&theater
East Sweden Rally and comeback of Patrik Flodin - https://www.facebook.com/RallyWeek/photos/a.634632066991103/790261358094839/?type=3&theater
Hellendoorn Rally and Bernhardt ten Brinke - https://www.facebook.com/RallyWeek/photos/a.634632066991103/798690623918579/?type=3&theater
Rally de Toledo and a winner against cancer Marcos Ligato - https://www.facebook.com/RallyWeek/photos/a.634632066991103/650799165374393/?type=3&theater
About last non-WRC cars winning a WRC event - https://www.facebook.com/RallyWeek/photos/a.634632066991103/658356127952030/?type=3&theater
Lavanttal Ralye and crazy "course car" quattro - https://www.facebook.com/RallyWeek/photos/a.634632066991103/665099100611066/?type=3&theater
Targa Florio - https://www.facebook.com/RallyWeek/photos/a.634632066991103/705308803256762/?type=3&theater
Rally Mionica and Serbian championship - https://www.facebook.com/RallyWeek/photos/a.634632066991103/706843559769953/?type=3&theater
Rally Tere Haut Var - https://www.facebook.com/RallyWeek/photos/a.634632066991103/733594403761535/?type=3&theater
Safari Rally which later gained a place back to WRC - https://www.facebook.com/RallyWeek/photos/a.634632066991103/735460090241633/?type=3&theater
Nicky Grist stages - https://www.facebook.com/RallyWeek/photos/a.634632066991103/738074653313510/?type=3&theater

Hope they are worth Your time :)

[L555MAT]

Absolute Rally is probably the best weekly podcast

https://www.absoluterally.co.uk/

If you're strictly a WRC fan, you might need to skip some of the interviewed people, but usually every episode has something WRC related. The hosts are either rally drivers, involved in WRC teams somehow and/or motorsport journalists. Sometimes they even have WRC drivers/co-drivers or people like Julian Porter as guests.

Didn’t know this existed, thanks for sharing!

[dimviii]

who is the guy at the right?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EI33o_IWkAARu8M?format=jpg&name=medium

[wrc2017]

ogier??

[the sniper]

who is the guy at the right?

It's not Teemu Suninen, I know that. ;)

[dimviii]

It's not Teemu Suninen, I know that. ;)

when i saw it at twitter,something doesnt go right for me about the Auriol era and Teemu age.

[KiwiWRCfan]

Interesting looking at Pickems for Australia and thinking about what it means for Manufacturers title.
Quest - Hyundai
Katvala - Toyota
TypeR - Toyota
Able1 - Toyota
GigiGalli1 - Hyundai
TWRC - Hyundai
Rew - Hyundai
Mintexmemory - Hyundai
ZeaKiwi2 - Hyundai
KiwiRallyFan - Toyota
Maui J - Hyundai
Ucci - Hyundai
Jaja - Hyundai

[traxx]

Can anyone recomment some good WRC podcasts? I know of Gravel Notes and Kitchen Table, WRC official podcast hasnt put new episode out for over a month, so maybe there is something else worth listening while driving to and from office... And i mean WRC as World Rally Championship, not as World Redemption Centre (yes, i accidentally clicked on their sermon podcast :P ).

Often F1, but sometimes WRC :
https://www.spreaker.com/show/the-autosport-podcast

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Manus Kelly Tribute auction:

Some incredible items up for auction for any motorsport or field sports fan. Register and bid at https://t.co/bbPVtfjCDD

An opportunity to test with Toyota, M-Sport Ford WRT, own a pair of Sebastien Ogier's championship race gloves, Sebastien Loeb's Race Suit and much more....

https://t.co/cDluZHXPWf

[T16]

For a bit of nostalgia, check out the Roger Albert Clark Rally on Facebook (for those who have it).
Their stage end and service park coverage is superb and they even have a rally report at 7 each night with the original Top Gear rally report theme tune.
Currently on day four of five too!
Proper stuff.

[dimviii]

Tom Blomqvist
@tom_blomqvist
· 5h
What a weekend in Indonesia! Had so much fun getting my first proper taste of a rally car in an actual rally. Going to have to make it more of a regular occurrence!


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EKNONK2U8AAU_eE?format=jpg&name=900x900
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EKNONK0U4AAIftf?format=jpg&name=medium

[Rallyper]

Tom Blomqvist
@tom_blomqvist
· 5h
What a weekend in Indonesia! Had so much fun getting my first proper taste of a rally car in an actual rally. Going to have to make it more of a regular occurrence!


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Son of Stig...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

OK, who is the favourite for the 2020 WDC ?

I'd say it's maybe Neuville, as Tanak and Ogier are both in new cars/teams. Neuville has all the experience in the i20 and very comfortable knowing the team.

The Yaris is apparently the easiest to adapt to in comparison, so maybe Ogier will soon be on the pace.

That leaves Tanak adapting to the i20 which is very much Neuville's car. Could be tricky for Ott.

[deephouse]

And if he will not win he is out, probably he would leave himself and chase Toyotasaki, since Ogier is still vocal about retirement.

[EstWRC]

Neuville is definitely the favourite in the beginning of the season, for the reasons mentioned here.

he has to use it well to get an advantage early

[er88]

Ogier.

[denkimi]

Ogier is my favorite. He is imo the best driver of them all, now driving the best car.
If toyota has learned from their failures this year and makes the car more reliable, i expect a year of ogier dominance while neuville and tanak hinder each other for the second place.

[deephouse]

Especially if he kinda resolve fragile elements of the car. Then this combo is probably deadly to others. If he win the title he would be practically best of all time, winning with 3 different brands and 7 titles. Perfect goodbye if you ask me. It doesn't matter at the end as long there will be close battles, we don't want domination from one or another. Tanak already did break french dominance, so we finally saw someone who actually won over Sebs.

[AnttiL]

Ogier all the way. We know that Yaris fits well drivers who are fast on a Fiesta. It's a big question how Tänak will adapt to the i20, especially on tarmac and fast events.

[TypeR]

I would say that Neuville has the biggest pressure.. Ogier already has maaany titles, Tänak got his this year.. and Neuville still has nothing, except 5 pointless 2nd places..
To me Neuville has stayed in Hyundai for too long and only knows how Hyundai works/drives.
Ogier and Tänak have driven two different 17' WRCs and now next year they sit in third different current era cars. I'm sure Ogier knows what not to do and Tänak knows what to do to make either Toyota or Hyundai better.

[steve.mandzij]

I think the battle for best of the rest will be a very interesting one. Suninen ought to up his pace if he's to still be considered among the WRC's rising stars, while Evans and Sordo had excellent 2019 seasons and are definitely still growing strong. Rovanpera will have the pressure of giants on his shoulders, and he's got the most to lose. Live up to the hype and it'll only grow, fail to do so and he might take a Lappi like turn in his budding career.

[EstWRC]

Ogier is my favorite. He is imo the best driver of them all, now driving the best car.
If toyota has learned from their failures this year and makes the car more reliable, i expect a year of ogier dominance while neuville and tanak hinder each other for the second place.

what will you say then when one of the Hyundai drivers wins the title?

Toyota wasnt the best car?

[TypeR]

what will you say then when one of the Hyundai drivers wins the title?

Toyota wasnt the best car?

Like many estonian professors on FB.. till Tänak's WDC most of them were like ,,give Ott any of the cars and he would still crush everybody'' vs now Ogier signing Toyota.. ,,No doubt that Ogier is the 2020 WDC'' :D
Ofc Ogier will be fast in Toyota, but I think that those FB guys were years ago the hahaha ,,crashing Tänak'' ones and when he started being at the top, they became ,,true fans'' :D

[cali]

I remember when Tänak went from M-Sport to Toyota and everybody complained that this was a downgrade to inferior car. Time will tell anyway it will be one helluva interesting season 2020

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[denkimi]

what will you say then when one of the Hyundai drivers wins the title?

Toyota wasnt the best car?
That depends on how and why ogier would lose the title. If he once again can't match the speed of the hyundais, its not due to the car.

Both ogier and neuville seem convinced that the toyota is the faster car, for me that's all the proof that's needed.

[Rally Power]

My money is on Tanak; he’s the best ATM. Neuville needs to improve his consistency and Ogier top gun days are over (ok, that’s a bold one...still troubled about his departure from Citroen).

[dimviii]

My money is on Tanak; .

me too.

[Munkvy]

What happens when Adamo has Tanak and Neuville are a couple of seconds apart on the podium near the end of the rally, Hyundai need the manufacturer points and they are both at 10 tenths. Who is he going to slow down and how will their egos handle that..?

[TypeR]

What happens when Adamo has Tanak and Neuville are a couple of seconds apart on the podium near the end of the rally, Hyundai need the manufacturer points and they are both at 10 tenths. Who is he going to slow down and how will their egos handle that..?

Emn.. doesn't matter, both Hyundai drivers.. same points. Next question!

[Tarmop]

That depends on how and why ogier would lose the title. If he once again can't match the speed of the hyundais, its not due to the car.

Both ogier and neuville seem convinced that the toyota is the faster car, for me that's all the proof that's needed.

Well, ofc they were, only a fool doesn`t find an excuse you know...they weren`t in it, they were losing = better car.

[denkimi]

Well, ofc they were, only a fool doesn`t find an excuse you know...they weren`t in it, they were losing = better car.
well, we're all lucky we're going to find out the truth in about 2 months.

[stefanvv]

I just intend to enjoy the '20 season, let it come.... And may the best driver/car combination wins.

[AnttiL]

I just intend to enjoy the '20 season, let it come.... And may the best driver/car combination wins.

Yeah, and I'm quite confident it will be a tight three-way battle for drivers title and a tight two-way battle for manufacturers. Like this year.

[Ljuke]

Emn.. doesn't matter, both Hyundai drivers.. same points. Next question!

I think he meant if Adamo orders them or one of them to slow down to avoid risk and the loss of manufacturer points. If the drivers / driver will accept it.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

It's been said that since Toyota had to change the Yaris' rear-wing some of its superiority has reduced. Also having no 'benchmark' driver with the team now may make it harder for Ogier to know how his pace is in testing.

Neuville seems very happy to have Tanak join his team, so probably knows how tricky the car is to set-up for newcomers, and how its optimised for his driving-style.

I just give Neuville favourite.

[AnttiL]

Also having no 'benchmark' driver with the team

https://i.imgur.com/mv1SZVd.jpg

Huh?

[denkimi]

It's been said that since Toyota had to change the Yaris' rear-wing some of its superiority has reduced. Also having no 'benchmark' driver with the team now may make it harder for Ogier to know how his pace is in testing.

Neuville seems very happy to have Tanak join his team, so probably knows how tricky the car is to set-up for newcomers, and how its optimised for his driving-style.

I just give Neuville favourite.
They could ask latvala or meeke to test it once more. They'll have their benchmark immediately.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

They could ask latvala or meeke to test it once more. They'll have their benchmark immediately.

I think a benchmark driver might be required more than just once - there are 3 very different rallies coming at the start of the season. And I doubt Meeke and Latvala would be too happy to help out the guy that's just taken their seats...

[KiwiWRCfan]

Emn.. doesn't matter, both Hyundai drivers.. same points. Next question!

until 1 or both go off trying to out pace their team mate

[EstWRC]

Just a little bit patience guys. You will get your answers in a couple of months.

I’m excited as hell too

[cali]

until 1 or both go off trying to out pace their team mateAnd you know this by how?

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[arx]

Just a little bit patience guys. You will get your answers in a couple of months.

I’m excited as hell too

I really want to be wrong, but a am afraid that as we remember Märtin as Ford guy we will be remember Tänak as Toyota guy...

[TypeR]

Doesn't matter, he achieved his dream and goal - he became WRC world champion.

[Norm75]

I really want to be wrong, but a am afraid that as we remember Märtin as Ford guy we will be remember Tänak as Toyota guy...
And what is your problem with that? Many drivers are associated with various manufacturers but it doesn't make them any less talented.
Kankkunen probably remembered as a Toyota driver, Alen Lancia, McRae Subaru, Makinen Mitsubishi and so on. Ogier will be remembered as the VW guy, despite winning WC with Ford (and maybe Toyota). All of those guys drove for many other manufacturers.

And I'm afraid Martin doesn't carry much truck with me anymore, given his comments of late regarding Tanaks team mates. One of which has won many more rallies than he ever did, the other has won the same amount of rallies. Neither of them have had such a catastrophic incident either.

[cali]

And what is your problem with that? Many drivers are associated with various manufacturers but it doesn't make them any less talented.
Kankkunen probably remembered as a Toyota driver, Alen Lancia, McRae Subaru, Makinen Mitsubishi and so on. Ogier will be remembered as the VW guy, despite winning WC with Ford (and maybe Toyota). All of those guys drove for many other manufacturers.

And I'm afraid Martin doesn't carry much truck with me anymore, given his comments of late regarding Tanaks team mates. One of which has won many more rallies than he ever did, the other has won the same amount of rallies. Neither of them have had such a catastrophic incident either.Yet he did not put a word wrong when he commented about Latvala's and Meeke's performance. But truth hurts sometimes

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[Norm75]

Yet he did not put a word wrong when he commented about Latvala's and Meeke's performance. But truth hurts sometimes

Sent from my ONEPLUS A5010 using Tapatalkwell if I was Latvala, or Meeke, I would have been a little offended.
His man Tanak won the world championship. Maybe he should respect his peers and didn't need to say anything.
He of all people should know it's a fine line between greatness and failing to achieve, and what risk is at stake every time you get behind a wheel and push above and beyond.

[cali]

well if I was Latvala, or Meeke, I would have been a little offended.
His man Tanak won the world championship. Maybe he should respect his peers and didn't need to say anything.
He of all people should know it's a fine line between greatness and failing to achieve, and what risk is at stake every time you get behind a wheel and push above and beyond.And still it was the truth what was told. Strange that somebody gets offended by truth. But I guess weaker persons cannot tolerate that well

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[Allez Andruet]

It's one thing telling the truth and another being a class act. The jury's out...

[cali]

It's one thing telling the truth and another being a class act. The jury's out...Oh you mean Jouhki and Co :D :D
That's so subjective as you can see yourself

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[Allez Andruet]

Oh you mean Jouhki and Co :D :D
That's so subjective as you can see yourself

No, I'm definitely not taking sides here. And while I think some of the things Märtin said can be considered a bit harsh, by no means it makes the strategy Jouhki has utilized any better.

[Barreis]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAwudvsvTn8

[Rallyper]

With only two manu teams and one semiprivate in WRC, what would you think Formula One people would´ve done if in same situation? I mean 8-10 top drivers and only 6 seats?

And FIA? Do they even care about WRC?

[Rally Power]

With only two manu teams and one semiprivate in WRC, what would you think Formula One people would´ve done if in same situation? I mean 8-10 top drivers and only 6 seats?
And FIA? Do they even care about WRC?

Honestly, there’s little point to compare with F1; they have a grid to fill and they’re mainly interested on drivers money to do it…

Despite Citroen pull out, the WRC is not living a sudden crisis and next season can be as exciting as the previous ones. Still, it makes total sense to question the series future, especially the new rules for 2022 and the promoter expansion plans; a thread about it was open a couple of weeks ago https://www.motorsportforums.com/showthread.php?40422-WRC-future , why not use it?

[Rallyper]

Honestly, there’s little point to compare with F1; they have a grid to fill and they’re mainly interested on drivers money to do it…

Despite Citroen pull out, the WRC is not living a sudden crisis and next season can be as exciting as the previous ones. Still, it makes total sense to question the series future, especially the new rules for 2022 and the promoter expansion plans; a thread about it was open a couple of weeks ago https://www.motorsportforums.com/showthread.php?40422-WRC-future , why not use it?

But WRC have an entrylist to fill.

Well, the crisis to me is that suddenly there´s not enough seats for all the 10-15 drivers fast enough for top five places, if you understand what I mean?

[EstWRC]

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[steve.mandzij]

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[pantealex]

Way too much redbull...

RedBull is not TGR´s biggest/main sponsor.

[Norm75]

So, who is a safe pair of hands, who likes to throw the car at the scenery, what cars are more reliable. Here is a list of dnf's for the factory drivers this year. Does not include rally2, feel free to edit and add.

Ott Tanak, Toyota - 0 dnf's
Seb Ogier, Citroen - 0 dnf's
Dani Sordo, Hyundai - 0 dnf's
Pontus Tidemand, M-Sport - 0 dnf's
Craig Breen, Hyundai - 0 dnf's
Takamoto Katsuta - 0 dnf's
Thiery Neuville, Hyundai - 1 dnf
Jari-Matti Latvala, Toyota - 1 dnf
Seb Loeb, Hyundai - 1 dnf
Kris Meeke, Toyota - 2 dnf's
Teemu Sunninen, M-Sport - 2 dnf's
Andreas Mikkelsen, Hyundai - 2 dnf's
Elfyn Evans, M-Sport - 2 dnf's
Gus Greensmith, M-Sport - 2 dnf's
Esapekka Lappi, Citroen - 4 dnf's

Toyota - 3 dnf's
Hyundai - 4 dnf's
Citroen - 4 dnf's
M-Sport - 6 dnf's

[KiwiWRCfan]

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Drivers split into 2 groups part and full season drivers
DNF + Rally 2 finishes added together to determine order now listed in


So, who is a safe pair of hands, who likes to throw the car at the scenery, what cars are more reliable. Here is a list of dnf's for the factory drivers this year. Does not include rally2, feel free to edit and add.

Drivers with part season
Craig Breen, Hyundai - 0 dnf's
Takamoto Katsuta - 0 dnf's
Dani Sordo, Hyundai - 0 dnf's & 1 rally 2 finish
Pontus Tidemand, M-Sport - 0 dnf's & 1 rally 2 finish
Seb Loeb, Hyundai - 1 dnf
Andreas Mikkelsen, Hyundai - 2 dnf's
Elfyn Evans, M-Sport - 2 dnf's
Gus Greensmith, M-Sport - 2 dnf's


Drivers with full season
Thiery Neuville, Hyundai - 1 dnf
Ott Tanak, Toyota - 0 dnf's & 2 rally 2 finishes
Seb Ogier, Citroen - 0 dnf's & 2 rally 2 finishes
Kris Meeke, Toyota - 2 dnf's & 1 rally 2 finish
Teemu Sunninen, M-Sport - 2 dnf's & 3 rally 2 finishes
Jari-Matti Latvala, Toyota - 1 dnf & 5 rally 2 finishes
Esapekka Lappi, Citroen - 4 dnf's & 2 rally 2 finishes

Hyundai - 4 dnf's & 1 rally 2 finish
Citroen - 4 dnf's & 4 rally 2 finishes
M-Sport - 6 dnf's & 4 rally 2 finishes
Toyota - 3 dnf's & 8 rally 2 finishes

[steve.mandzij]

Oh my Jari Matti...

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[go mads]

Rally 2 finishes inserted below
Drivers split into 2 groups part and full season drivers
DNF + Rally 2 finishes added together to determine order now listed in

Stopped reading this list after the first line, craig breen 0 dnfs, so you would think as the original list states he doesn't throw cars into the scenery? Anyone remember myherin on rally gb?

Lists like this are unfair and pointless

[Oops!]

Breen has bent his fair share of metal in the past...

[Norm75]

Stopped reading this list after the first line, craig breen 0 dnfs, so you would think as the original list states he doesn't throw cars into the scenery? Anyone remember myherin on rally gb?

Lists like this are unfair and pointless
It's certainly not a definitive list, your right. Unfair, maybe a little as a dnf maybe car reliability related rather than driver error. Pointless, maybe that's a little too far. I think it's quite interesting to see the facts written in black and white, we sometimes see things a little unfairly against drivers we perceive to crash all the time when the reality may not be quite so bad.

Anyway, dorna have released the crash statistics in all MotoGP classes (as they do every year) so I just thought it might be a bit of fun to do the same for this seasons wrc drivers. It's there to take as you wish.

[AnttiL]

https://youtu.be/3fT-YqBqAlc

Ogier testing for Monte and car preparing. I have to say he looks pretty fast! :D

[dimviii]

hahaha,these boys really have too much spare time!!

[gorganl2000]

https://youtu.be/3fT-YqBqAlc

Ogier testing for Monte and car preparing. I have to say he looks pretty fast! :D

lolol...that was some good comic relief for lunch

[Barreis]

wrc needs this kind of a program at youtube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoCNmLiJUgM

[skarderud]

Mads Østberg shared some movie from the HQ of Citröen Norway today, maybe doesn't mean a thing.

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[eib1]

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=553157008797219&set=pcb.553157578797162&type=3&__tn__=HH-R&eid=ARAhrHDqRXIWTNpjJeSit2-dyVb7TKrEpPYKHLDPlyhvmLa13XdZyA1VIY6TK9_rsJZxIAyQ4 Vuo2oS5

ouch!

[Rallyper]

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ouch!

Can´t even find out what brand...

[TypeR]

Can´t even find out what brand...

Evo X and it happened 9 years ago
https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=0L--LpjQ4lk

[racerx1979]

Trying to get sponsorship from Citroen Norway to run a program... Longshot, but he's trying

[deephouse]

If it will be one year only why not. The teams will pay attention if he will be in the mix of other drivers, with ''C3''. Those who will not drive next year will have worse position on driver market for 2021 season than him, except if he will do really bad.

[KiwiWRCfan]

This one definitely belongs under Rally discussion and bar talk"
A Spaniard and an Estonian walked into a German bar, soon they were joined by a Italian.
The role Dani Sordo played in Ott Tanak moving to Hyudai
https://www.marca.com/motor/rallies/2019/12/16/5df6553d22601d6b2b8b45f3.html

[reff92]

Sordo is very close friend with Tänak and that connection wouldnt suprise me at all. Last season we all remember that comment when Tänak prefered Sordo as his teammate over Meeke.

[dimviii]

This one definitely belongs under Rally discussion and bar talk"
A Spaniard and an Estonian walked into a German bar, soon they were joined by a Italian.
The role Dani Sordo played in Ott Tanak moving to Hyudai
https://www.marca.com/motor/rallies/2019/12/16/5df6553d22601d6b2b8b45f3.html

from google translate i understand that Ogier asked for a seat at hyundai and Adamo refused?

His most coveted piece for the 2020 World Cup, after having refused the glove that the Ogier himself threw at mid-year.

[EstWRC]

from google translate i understand that Ogier asked for a seat at hyundai and Adamo refused?

His most coveted piece for the 2020 World Cup, after having refused the glove that the Ogier himself threw at mid-year.

thats how i also understand but the translation is actually so shit

can some spanish speaking guys make better one please?

[Rally Power]

thats how i also understand but the translation is actually so shit
can some spanish speaking guys make better one please?

Even for spanish speaking guys this article may be hard to understand as some parts sound a bit incredible and shouldn’t be taken literally, especially the 'Ogier throwing down the glove to Adamo' one (probably just a joke between them during Rally Germany).

Anyway, maybe Sordo influence was actually important for Tanak move but more than their casual meeting with Adamo it’s interesting to note that Martin apparently talked to Adamo during Finland and Tanak managed to test the i20 before Wales.

Lots of material to include on Tanak movie, part 2…

[deephouse]

PSA and FCA have fully merged 50-50. There is Peugeot, Citroen, Opel, Fiat and Lancia now under the same roof gaining a lot of money and none of that rich history will be in WRC.

[dimviii]

Guys Merry Christmas and happy the new year!!

https://twitter.com/Bertieschip/status/1209459052331319296

[TanaKa]

Possibly Tanak takes No. 8 again on 1 and will have time to take it, he has plenty of time and knows that it is ..

[EstWRC]

Happy Holidays everyone!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EMjtUURUYAA6n38?format=jpg&name=large

[Norm75]

Happy Holidays everyone!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EMjtUURUYAA6n38?format=jpg&name=largeis that Mannisenmaki or Harjanne co driving?

Merry Christmas!

[TanaKa]

23/12/2019 15:10 - Kevin Muñoz ''Autohebdosport''

Tänak renuncia al '1' de campeón (Renuncia ademas por respeto a su amigo Ogier),,clase especial como su pilotaje..Nº 8 = Number One...

https://www.autohebdosport.es/wrc/tanak-renuncia-1-campeon
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[T16]

Not sure if this is the best place to post, but this is something special:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDxt7a7Zov8

[Allez Andruet]

Any place is good for the random Vatanen post :)

The video is something special, but so is the guy himself. A deeply religious man - something you don't come across that often in rallying I guess - from Tuupovaara (https://www.google.com/maps/place/82730+Tuupovaara/@62.4552249,30.522743,9.75z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x469bf809caebf9f3:0xa0146d8a395a5 80!8m2!3d62.4857735!4d30.6173514) which is not traditionally the place for future rally legends to grow (though the roads are fantastic there). Ari's against the odds story is just amazing, from a child who lost his father at an early age in a car accident to conquer the rally world and being elected to the European Parliament (in France!).

[gorganl2000]

Not sure if this is the best place to post, but this is something special:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDxt7a7Zov8

that is an entertaining and inspirational video on so many levels.
thanks for posting

[T16]

Another superb vid by the same chap who made the Vatanen one.

He's definitely good at putting them together: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpzOf4-6GoE

[cali]

Another superb vid by the same chap who made the Vatanen one.

He's definitely good at putting them together: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpzOf4-6GoEHe's a forum user here

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[T16]

AnttiL?

[cali]

AnttiL?No no no, AnttiK7 or smth

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[the sniper]

He's a forum user here

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Legendary video maker, but a bit of a stickler for the observation of road traffic laws, IIRC... :D

[cali]

Legendary video maker, but a bit of a stickler for the observation of traffic laws, IIRC... :DThat's the guy :D

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