[WRC] Rally Finland 2013

[stefanvv]

Lunyanuk in trouble, pitty

[mousti]

Lukyanuk problems :(

[jonkka]

What is ogiers average speed?

A bit over 130 kph

[mousti]

What is ogiers average speed?
130.75 km/h

[SubaruNorway]

which rock?

Mads had to go off the road and spun avoiding the rock

[dimviii]

What is ogiers average speed?

130,7!!

average for whole rally for Ogier till now 119,2

[Mise]

Lukaynuk has gone out too

[tfp]

130.75 km/h

If this is correct, then Ogier is the new record holder

2004 Ouninpohja Record still stands. | PSRX (http://pettersolberg.com/blog/2012/09/05/2004-ouninpohja-record-still-stands/)

[mousti]

Hit a rock in a blind corner, and puncture for Alexey :(

[tfp]

130,7!!

average for whole rally for Ogier till now 119,2

And now it's official, 1.6 is faster than 2.:D

[drive]

Lukayanuk's words: 'We're enjoying first part of stage (shure they did! :) ) and then hit a rock in the inside of corner and got tyre puncture' (front left) - pitty, but still he is one of the hidden gems of this rally :)

[tommeke_B]

And now it's official, 1.6 is faster than 2.:D

Faster than 2.0 of 2004. ;)

[stefanvv]

The true power of the small cars over 2.0L T should be on twistiest roards, not like Ouninpohja like

[Mirek]

The true power of the small cars over 2.0L T should be on twistiest roards, not like Ouninpohja like

I would not be sure about that at all. It's difficult equation with many factors.

[stefanvv]

I would not be sure about that at all. It's difficult equation with many factors.

Of course it is, but at least handling, and therefore corner exiting speed must be better for sure

[Mirek]

Something was obviously wrong with Lappi in first two legs. I know others in WRC2 are probably in cruise mod now but Ogier sure wasn't when he was attacking the record. How come Lappi is now 0,3 s/km closer to him than before? That's a big difference (some 10 seconds on Youninpohja alone).

[Mirek]

Of course it is, but at least handling, and therefore corner exiting speed must be better for sure

I don't agree even with that. New cars have no center differential and I would not bet on the cornering speed comparison. Sure the smaller bodyshells are easier to turn from left to right but for the cornering speed itself there is hardly any reason to by higher (besides natural unstopable tyre and suspension development). Also the massive torque of 2.0 cars plays much bigger role on twisty roads than on fast flowing ones. Without proper testing against each other we can only guess...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ogier fastest on Ouninpohja 2 even though he has a good gap... impressive ! :)

Gutted for Meeke, he had done a great job on his comeback. :(

[stefanvv]

I don't agree even with that. New cars have no center differential and I would not bet on the cornering speed comparison. Sure the smaller bodyshells are easier to turn from left to right but for the cornering speed itself there is hardly any reason to by higher (besides natural unstopable tyre and suspension development). Also the massive torque of 2.0 cars plays much bigger role on twisty roads than on fast flowing ones. Without proper testing against each other we can only guess...

Ok, I completely forgot the center diff. Of course the torque plays significant role, but assuming the handling of the car is the same. It is difficult to say for sure without proper tests

[Arska]

I've got some pictures of Kochmar's car in the ditch from Surkee 2. Unfortunately there has been an error in downloading the pictures to my laptop, but we'll see if I can get them through.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Live stream for the Power Stage !!

http://www.stream2watch.me/live-tv/sport1-live-stream

[dupanton]

Any chance of a live stream for the Power Stage ??

SPORT1 Live Stream | Sport1 Germany (http://www.stream2watch.me/live-tv/sport1-live-stream)

[stefanvv]

I wan't that tube with oil, can I have it :)
http://www.volkswagen-motorsport.com/fileadmin/user_upload/Fans_Friends/1%20WRC/Rallye/Finnland/Berichterstattung/2013/20130803/Galerie_des_Tages/886x498_vw-20130803-3444.jpg
http://www.volkswagen-motorsport.com/fileadmin/user_upload/Fans_Friends/1%20WRC/Rallye/Finnland/Berichterstattung/2013/20130803/Galerie_des_Tages/886x498px_vw-20130803-3453-max-VW-WRC-2013-08-BK1-1960.jpg
http://www.volkswagen-motorsport.com/fileadmin/user_upload/Fans_Friends/1%20WRC/Rallye/Finnland/Berichterstattung/2013/20130803/Galerie_des_Tages/886x498px_vw-20130803-3460-max-VW-WRC-2013-08-BK1-2303.jpg
http://www.volkswagen-motorsport.com/fileadmin/user_upload/Fans_Friends/1%20WRC/Rallye/Finnland/Berichterstattung/2013/20130803/Galerie_des_Tages/886x498px_vw-20130803-3474-max-VW-WRC-2013-08-MM-5024.jpg

[Nornbugger]

Sordo is going to finish 5th. How on earth has that happened.


http://athome.readinghorizons.com/community/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/tortoise-ant-the-hare.gif

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Tremendous drive by Neuville on the PS :)

[stefanvv]

Congrats to Ogier, this was quite an achievment

[stefanvv]

Tremendous drive by Neuville on the PS :)

His second part was great

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Qatar M-Sport: Thierry takes the power stage win. That puts him =2nd with Latvala in the championship! Amazing drive!

[EightGear]

Very nice coverage from the PS. The German commentator also knows what he is talking about. This should be the way forward. :up:

[awake27]

I don't agree even with that. New cars have no center differential and I would not bet on the cornering speed comparison. Sure the smaller bodyshells are easier to turn from left to right but for the cornering speed itself there is hardly any reason to by higher (besides natural unstopable tyre and suspension development). Also the massive torque of 2.0 cars plays much bigger role on twisty roads than on fast flowing ones. Without proper testing against each other we can only guess...
Spot on especially with the bold. Lets dont forget that in the switch from the 2.0L to 1.6L we also changed tyres from control Pirellis to Michelin with open competition. There is no doubt that the tyres are faster now and I believe that was already from the first year (2011).

[Mirek]

Well done Thierry!

[tommeke_B]

2nd WRC season for Neuville, and he is 2nd in the drivers standings (together with Latvala). How many drivers did that before? :)

[EightGear]

2nd WRC season for Neuville, and he is 2nd in the drivers standings (together with Latvala). How many drivers did that before? :)

Matton wants him back. :D "MY4500: Well done @thierryneuville & @nicolasgilsoul great job."

[stefanvv]

Neuville seems to progress from Rally to Rally. I'm quite impressed by his performance recently, and no mistakes he is doing. He's not even an (official) factory driver :)

[Mirek]

Matton wants him back. :D

We discussed privately with Tommeke this topic some hour a go - it must be painful for Matton to watch Ogier and Neuville beating Citroën when both were grown by Citroën...

[Eli]

Neuville seems to progress from Rally to Rally. I'm quite impressed by his performance recently, and no mistakes he is doing. He's not even an (official) factory driver :)

true that takes a lot of pressure off, and last year it was he's WRC education. this year he is better connected to his car and he stopped making mistakes- a world champion in the making...

[tommeke_B]

Yes. Citroën had enough time to come up with a better proposal for Thierry but they didn't (for obvious financial reasons)... I'm sure Citroën wants him back, but sure Ford wants to keep im, and sure Hyundai is interested in him too... Let's start the bidding :D

[Mirek]

Also well done to Robert Kubica. Finally he kept it on the road. Tremendous debut in Finland!

[mousti]

It's a bitter pill to swallow for Matton. Also for Hirvonen, even at his home rally he can't be the best..

[stefanvv]

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[Andre Oliveira]

Neuville

https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/999553_121635998007014_605630469_n.png

[Mirek]

What is the point to stop JWRC four stages before the end of rally? The difference in cost in that case must be marginal but the crews are out of general classification. For me that is stupid.

Anyway Amberg pretty much crushed all.

For Finnish members... who is Vuorisalo? That guy was crazy fast (I understand that unlike JWRC he had a free tyre choice and possibly faster spec. of Fiesta R2 but still he was way ahead of all JWRC).

[EightGear]

Neuville

https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/999553_121635998007014_605630469_n.png

Twice 3rd, twice 2nd, twice.... ?

[Arska]

For Finnish members... who is Vuorisalo? That guy was crazy fast (I understand that unlike JWRC he had a free tyre choice and possibly faster spec. of Fiesta R2 but still he was way ahead of all JWRC).

He drives the Finnish rally championship with Ford Fiesta R2. Yes, he has been very fast there too.

[awake27]

[SS23] Sebastien Ogier (Volkswagen) 3:46.9 "I am so happy to join Didier (Auriol) for the French one (non-Finnish rally winners). It has been a fantastic weekend. This weekend is just perfect, another big step to the title!"

Forgot a certain French rally Finland winner. Seriously the guy has a big complex problem. :rolleyes:

[stefanvv]

[SS23] Sebastien Ogier (Volkswagen) 3:46.9 "I am so happy to join Didier (Auriol) for the French one (non-Finnish rally winners). It has been a fantastic weekend. This weekend is just perfect, another big step to the title!"

Forgot a certain French rally Finland winner. Seriously the guy has a big complex problem. :rolleyes:

Yes, Auriol was the first

[tommeke_B]

Twice 3rd, twice 2nd, twice.... ?

Twice fifth indeed :D At the point now, I don't believe anyone can beat Ogier this season, but I hope I'm wrong. It's like he can Always pull out something more than the others. Even when he had a big gap, and Ostberg/Neuville were fighting, he was always matching/beating their times, it's impressive... In that way he is a bit like Loeb, extremely consistent and always faster, except when Loeb is driving... :D

[rp]

For Finnish members... who is Vuorisalo? That guy was crazy fast (I understand that unlike JWRC he had a free tyre choice and possibly faster spec. of Fiesta R2 but still he was way ahead of all JWRC).


He is currently 2nd in the Finnish R2 Championship (Lindroos 1st, Kinnunen 3rd, who competed in NORF also), born in 1994 and competed many years in Estonia, when he was too young to drive in Finland. A lot of potential...

[A.F.F.]

With the misfortune of Nikara, there wasn't much to cheer Finnwise. Congrats Ogier. Is there a limit to his selfconfidence?? At this point it seem no. He basicly crushed his opponents. Neuville was the biggest surprise for me as you can see from my pickems which were as good as Hirvonen's fighting spirit. To win powerstage after just gotten s little breathing space for second position tells something of an attitude I want to see from the Finns!!! Also, I was suprised about Kubica. Truly an excellent drive considdering how much he has experience from fast gravel rallies. Congrats for Östberg too. Solid drive and a podium and a great fight with Neuville.

[denkimi]

Twice fifth indeed :D At the point now, I don't believe anyone can beat Ogier this season, but I hope I'm wrong. It's like he can Always pull out something more than the others. Even when he had a big gap, and Ostberg/Neuville were fighting, he was always matching/beating their times, it's impressive... In that way he is a bit like Loeb, extremely consistent and always faster, except when Loeb is driving... :D
he has been beaten in monaco, argentina and greece. :p

never say never ...

[Kyberr]

I want to see Lukyanuk in WRC car, ASRT have found very talented guy...

[Ucci]

Ogier-deserved winner, but to be honest, it is a well expected victory. What non of us expected was the small gap in front of Mads and Thierry, sometimes he was even beaten-until yesterday afternoon, when he started to push. Still a small margin on Quninpohja shows no dominance over young guns.
Mads and Thierry are future stars, no shadow of a doubt! They are worth every penny and in the moment the only ones, who can threat Ogier.
Hirvonen-not a bad performance, but his times are definetely over. If he is not able to beat Mads&Thierry (I deliberately missed Ogier, who is ''from another planet'') on a home soil, the only solution for him is either pension or some lower championship.
Sordo-loser, loser, frustration,.....with his experience on this rally to be sometimes just few seconds faster than WRC2 drivers, it is waste of money and time. I hope he will win Germany and with this give a Citroen small thanks for their patience...and than leave the factory seat to maybe Meeke....
Speaking of Meeke-a hero for me ! After seven years to be again in Finland, first time in WRC car and and and....woau, guy impressed even himself. Shame for accident, but I think (and hope) he has a ticket for a DS3WRC for 2014!!
Novikov-second frustration of the weekend. Nothing to add here...
Mikkelsen-his way to the top is still loooong. Give him another year, maybe he will catch Mads&Thierry.
Hanninen-average performance, I think he is disappointed, except fourth stage he was never between three fastest drivers per stage...
JML-typical JML's rally. He must do one mistake to ruin his rallye...
Kubica-hero !! First time here, no mistake, second in his class. Respect!
Lukyanuk-showed that N4 is still a fast car, just a driver must play his role.
I enjoyed the rally !

[dupanton]

++ Ogier, Neuville and Ketomaa (outclassed the rest in WRC2)
+ Ostberg (was beaten by a much less experienced teammate), Kubica (very solid performance, fast and consistent), Paddon (a shame of "the rock", very good drive), Nikara (went fast with his tractor, only a shame it broke), Meeke (was a surprise for me, very good performance, only a shame he crashed at the end with nothing to gain)
+- Hirvonen (very fast at the beginning, then made a mistake and never recovered from it, although 2nd was still very possible), PG (not slow, not fast, but bad car I guess), Mikkelsen (people saw him on the podium before the season started, he is still a loooong way from that), Lukyanuk (crazy times, but a bit to crazy)
- Prokop (just saw him in the standings, never noticed he participated...)
-- Sordo (just very slow, was lucky to get as high as 5th), Novikov (not at the pace of the leaders and crashed in the end, will this ever stop?), Latvala (crashed... again)

[vkangas]

He is currently 2nd in the Finnish R2 Championship (Lindroos 1st, Kinnunen 3rd, who competed in NORF also), born in 1994 and competed many years in Estonia, when he was too young to drive in Finland. A lot of potential...
And he's also driving Fiesta Trophy Series which he dominates. Fiesta trophy drivers are also counted in Finnish Championship.
After 5/7 rallies:
1. Samuli Vuorisalo 119 pistettä
2. Jori Nousiainen 62 pistettä
3. Max Vatanen 25 pistettä
4. Christoffer Dahlström 24 pistettä
5. Olli Kankkunen 22 pistettä
6. Kimmo Vainio 14 pistettä
7. Mikko Tujamola 7 pistettä
8. Jukka Kankkunen 4 pistettä
9. Sami Korvola 2 pistettä

pistettä = points :)

[HarriK]

What is the point to stop JWRC four stages before the end of rally? The difference in cost in that case must be marginal but the crews are out of general classification. For me that is stupid.

Anyway Amberg pretty much crushed all.

For Finnish members... who is Vuorisalo? That guy was crazy fast (I understand that unlike JWRC he had a free tyre choice and possibly faster spec. of Fiesta R2 but still he was way ahead of all JWRC).

That's good that JWRC doesn't drive second round of stages. Especially yesterday would have been good choice not to run those in second run of stages. Roads were so bad. I bet that today there were bad sections in Surkee, Leustu and in the small road of Ouninpohja.

Mirek: did you notices also Jaro Kinnunen's times? He was faster than Vuorisalo but had a lot of problems in yesterday and today also. But Vuorisalo is also good, I don't know him very well.
Those Hankook tyres are pretty slippery here in Finland. Talked with drivers before the rally and they said that in Kuhmo/Michelin gyus would be minutes ahead them.
What is the reason that JWRC use bad tyres? Would it be good for drivers education to drive with better ones. JWRC should be "WRC" class and not to beaten by "local boys".

I will write maybe tomorrow my "story" about our NORF2013 trip. Just got back to home ... tired and a little bit unhappy to organisation and stages etc...

[RS]

Matton said before the rally that Finland was important for Mikko and he was still beaten by the best drivers from the other teams on his home rally. So I guess it's game over for him at the end of the year. I would like to see Neuville and Meeke at Citroen if they stay, and maybe Mikko would get a seat at Hyundai.

[RS]

Mikkelsen-his way to the top is still loooong. Give him another year, maybe he will catch Mads&Thierry.


I think he will. He has a big experience deficit to those two, especially Mads.

I actually think Mikkelsen has generally driven very sensibly this year. Not going all out to set times but gradually getting better and mopping up some points.

Neuville had a clunky first year in WRC but look at him now!

I hope to see Neuville, Meeke, Hanninen and Mikkelsen all with permanent WRC drives next year :)

Out with the old and in with the new please. I am bored of Hirvonen, Sordo, maybe even Latvala.

[Mirek]

That's good that JWRC doesn't drive second round of stages. Especially yesterday would have been good choice not to run those in second run of stages. Roads were so bad. I bet that today there were bad sections in Surkee, Leustu and in the small road of Ouninpohja.

Than they shall drive only first runs in every leg. Skipping one loop of the entire event doesn't change much and I think that most of the crews would prefer to be classified in the rally...


Mirek: did you notices also Jaro Kinnunen's times? He was faster than Vuorisalo but had a lot of problems in yesterday and today also. But Vuorisalo is also good, I don't know him very well.
Those Hankook tyres are pretty slippery here in Finland. Talked with drivers before the rally and they said that in Kuhmo/Michelin gyus would be minutes ahead them.
What is the reason that JWRC use bad tyres? Would it be good for drivers education to drive with better ones. JWRC should be "WRC" class and not to beaten by "local boys".

I've followed Jaro for more than two years since we met in Valašská rally, CZ, where they were observing the Fabia R2 and where we spent some time spectating together ;)

[denkimi]

I think he will. He has a big experience deficit to those two, especially Mads.

mikkelsen has a lot more experience than neuville.

eWRC-results.com - profile Andreas Mikkelsen (http://www.ewrc-results.com/profile.php?p=68&t=Andreas-Mikkelsen)
eWRC-results.com - profile Thierry Neuville (http://www.ewrc-results.com/profile.php?p=4298&t=Thierry-Neuville)

[txl]

Could anyone share a link with the times of the Finnish national class drivers which were running after the WRC event?

[faateris]

Rally Finland was interesting rally. We see that again, Ogier is fastest man in WRC and this is realy boring... :( (( Interesting starts from 2-nd place.
Neuvile - surprised again, realy fast driver, faster after each rally and no mistakes;
Latvala, Hirvonen - no comment;
I hope Meeke, Hanninen, Nikara and Ketomaa(better with WRCar)will drive more WRC events...;

!! Lukyanyuk - proved that he has fantastic speed, he need to change car - S2000, RRC or even WRCar.
To see him, visit Baltic states, where he drives this season. ;)

[RJM]

Neuville has impressed me, Ogier did what was expected by many, latvala should not be still doing this, I used to think the fords were fragile but nothings changed at vw, so its just down to him, I think ostberg should have beaten neuville given his experience. hirvonen should have been faster, meeke was close to him, very surprising on finland! sordo??...

[RJM]

Im disappointed for meeke, being 2 seconds behind mikko on ouninpohja 2 final split is impressive, but would have been more impressive to finish the rally. Will citroen gamble on speed over reliability?..hope so.

[darkstar]

who knows, maybe neuville can fight for the win in germany. at least he has very good tarmac speed.

[dimviii]

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[Allyc85]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MsdR_rql6Y

[Micke_VOC]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KUh94uoRuMU

[Nornbugger]

I have to add that I have been very impressed by the pace of the Ford WRCs this weekend, its been the done thing here to slate Malcolm Wilson and the whole Ford effort, this weekend they had a car the match of any, hopefully Neuville can help them to compete on the tar rounds too.

Cronins drive in the Citroen was for me very impressive, I really hope he can get a good deal next year for WRC2

[RS]

mikkelsen has a lot more experience than neuville.

eWRC-results.com - profile Andreas Mikkelsen (http://www.ewrc-results.com/profile.php?p=68&t=Andreas-Mikkelsen)
eWRC-results.com - profile Thierry Neuville (http://www.ewrc-results.com/profile.php?p=4298&t=Thierry-Neuville)

I am talking about recent experience of WRCars on WRC events.

[dupanton]

who knows, maybe neuville can fight for the win in germany. at least he has very good tarmac speed.

I'm afraid the difference between the Ford and the VW/Citroën will be bigger on asfalt then on gravel...

[Andre Oliveira]

So strange not see more "white and blue" flags.
https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/1005247_373037002825548_605377504_n.png

[RS]

So strange not see more "white and blue" flags.
https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/1005247_373037002825548_605377504_n.png

It's not that strange.. the Finns have seemed to be better in Sweden than Finland in recent years! Maybe Finland is an easier rally to learn for the foreigners.

[ThomasS]

Also well done to Robert Kubica. Finally he kept it on the road. Tremendous debut in Finland!

Well he didn't exactly , he was very lucky not to have ended his rally with that huge moment into the trees...

[Rallying UK]

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[Fast Eddie WRC]

Citroen Day 3 incl Meeke roll:


http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x12nloz_citroen-wrc-2013-rallye-de-finlande-jour-3_auto

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Kubica off... sooooooo lucky !!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=KUh94uoRuMU

[mousti]

Stronger than a tractor :D

[stefanvv]

Well he didn't exactly , he was very lucky not to have ended his rally with that huge moment into the trees...

The three gave up easily, unlike stones, many people hit them, some lucky, some not, that's Rallying

[stefanvv]

Kubica off... sooooooo lucky !!

Recently I watched similar stuff in Rally Estonia with GAZ Truck, the Citroen appears similar vehicle in strength :D

[Carlo]

The three gave up easily, unlike stones, many people hit them, some lucky, some not, that's Rallying

Rock/s were on the racing line, the tree wasn't

[dimviii]

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more eWRC.cz - Fotogalerie Neste Oil Rally Finland 2013 Timo Anis (http://www.ewrc.cz/ewrc/fotogalery.php?events=6538&fotograf=79)

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[Rallying UK]

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DAY THREE: Rally Finland 2013: Day Three Wrap - ThingLink (http://bit.ly/16ihbhZ)

[Sladden]

2nd WRC season for Neuville, and he is 2nd in the drivers standings (together with Latvala). How many drivers did that before? :)

I was thinking of R Burns this rally. In 1999 his 2nd full season was both 2nd in Finland (2nd attempt) and 2nd in Championship. Like Neuville at the moment... but Richard won a few rallies as well.

[Barreis]

For Ogier knew that he's winner but VW is really top car this season.

[makinen_fan]

Fisher's car after his off

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90Ma24ShkYE

[makinen_fan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcZ3peGv7DE&feature=youtu.be

[stefanvv]

Fisher's car after his off

Jeez, what car? nothing seem to left unharmed

[stefanvv]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcZ3peGv7DE&feature=youtu.be

Uaaaa, nice

[danon]

Loeb developed the Citroen WRCar and obviously he is the one to take the most out of it.

Like a well trained dog obeys his owner, Citroen obeys its developer, only!

[NikoP]

Full gallery now online: Neste Oil Rally Finland (http://nikop.kuvat.fi/kuvat/2013/Neste+Oil+Rally+Finland/)

http://nikop.kuvat.fi/kuvat/2013/Neste%20Oil%20Rally%20Finland/IMG_7046%20copy.jpg?img=small

http://nikop.kuvat.fi/kuvat/2013/Neste%20Oil%20Rally%20Finland/IMG_5849%20copy.jpg?img=small

[ThomasS]

The three gave up easily, unlike stones, many people hit them, some lucky, some not, that's Rallying

"Thats the Rallying" has to be the most cliched and over used phrases trotted out on this forum. ;)

[txl]

Ogier on Ouninpohja 2:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4UTC8Boge0

[andyone]

well for the first time im happy with a rally that latvala has crashed. well im his fun. but this is by far the best rally of the year. the speed shown by many drivers. and consistency. its amazing. neuville, ostberg, especially Jnikara in a mini.. faster than sordo. and other big names. kmeek.. haninnen.. i hope rally will be this exiting in all rallies. day one and we dont know who will surely win.

[stefanvv]

"Thats the Rallying" has to be the most cliched and over used phrases trotted out on this forum. ;)

There is nothing better to reflect the reality than well polished cliche. I'm sure Paddon doesn't deserve this outcome of the Rally, I like his driving don't get me wrong, but 3rd party people don't deserve arrogancy against them also, this doesn't work in Paddon's favor, most certainly for his image. After all he must know what Rally is and seems nice enough to me for this kind of language on his defense. Dissapointed, yes, but that's how it should be.

[JoostSchouten]

My video of the rally is online. Looking back on the fastest rally I've ever visited, it was absolutely fantastic!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsUyCVyTUEY

[SubaruNorway]

My video of the rally is online. Looking back on the fastest rally I've ever visited, it was absolutely fantastic!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsUyCVyTUEY


Great video! Nice to watch when i wasn't able to be there myself :) That fast downhill with the bump is in Palsankylä right? Østberg rolled there one year.

[ThomasS]

There is nothing better to reflect the reality than well polished cliche. I'm sure Paddon doesn't deserve this outcome of the Rally, I like his driving don't get me wrong, but 3rd party people don't deserve arrogancy against them also, this doesn't work in Paddon's favor, most certainly for his image. After all he must know what Rally is and seems nice enough to me for this kind of language on his defense. Dissapointed, yes, but that's how it should be.

On the contrary he had a great result all things considered. He had a game plan to make it on the podium and did just that.
He chose not to "contest" the others on day 1 knowing that the real rally started on day 2 . Every body was pushing on Day 2 and his times were good and consistent . Day 2 before SS14 is a good snap shot of his abilities before all the carnage. Being taken out by the rock later on and not having Lappi in the rally changed the whole complexion of the rally for Paddon. Day 3, there was no point in chasing down Kubica but he still had the pressure to put some decent times against Lappi. That wasn't an enviable position to be in. He played his hand well put in some respectable times without throwing his 3rd position away by trying to make a point.

It was measured and mature performance from Paddon against far more experienced locals and better supported drivers.

Note the absence of any chaucerian vernacular to offend those with sensitive sensibilities.

[Mintexmemory]

Ogier just needs 51 more points to be Champ even if JML or TN were to win the remaining rounds! Hope it's in the bag by France so we get the ultimate battle - but I don't see Ogier winning in Germany. A podium in Germany and Down under ought to be enough. 3 weeks to Trier :bounce:

[bassist]

Great video! Nice to watch when i wasn't able to be there myself :) That fast downhill with the bump is in Palsankylä right? Østberg rolled there one year.
As ever Joost, lovely video!

[donlorean]

I'm looking for photos and videos about car no 122 Renault Clio R3. So if you have any, please send it to my email with some info about rights and rewards that you want from them...

Thank you

tarvainenjari(at)kolumbus.fi

[HarriK]

Latvala and torittu1 rock :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1gf0Amntcs

[Mirek]

Latvala and torittu1 rock :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1gf0Amntcs

Hasn't he said it was in the middle of the road? If this was why he retired than it was clearly his mistake...

[makinen_fan]

I cant recall that he said it was in the middle of the road.
World Rally Championship - Fanzone - Podcasts - Finland end of SS2 (http://www.wrc.com/fanzone/podcasts/finland-end-of-ss2/?fid=18825)
Go to 11:30

PS, there was another incident with a rock in the middle of the road (Paddon at least was one) but I cant remember who

[irish_tiger]

I was once in Austria spectating Pirelli Star Driver Shootout and it was extremely spectacular event where everybody was driving like mad!
Yes i was there too , but what did you think of the way the scoring system was done that time ?

[Kalm]

just checked the results for class 3, Lukyanuk won it by 7:04:1.. and that was with almost 4 minutes he lost with changing the wheel in stage 22... waiting for onboards :D

[stefanvv]

Hasn't he said it was in the middle of the road? If this was why he retired than it was clearly his mistake...

He never said that it was in the middle of the road, admitted it is his mistake from the beginning. I think it was something like "I didn't expect the car to jump so much over the crest, and went wide on the right hander after landing"

[Susiraja]

If anyone has pictures from Saturday from the car 248 (white-orange BMW M3 in the Vetomies extra class) I would be very interested in them. Especially in Ouninpohja the right hander with guard railing on the outside right before the famous Kakaristo left would be interesting to get pictures from. Also Tommi's artificial jump after Kakaristo which ended our rally would be nice to see.

mattihe(at)gmail.com

[makinen_fan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhsRnQ1RkZc

[Mirek]

Yes i was there too , but what did you think of the way the scoring system was done that time ?

Frankly I don't remember the system...

[eib1]

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_sort=video_date_uploaded&search_que ry=wrc+finland+2013

[eib1]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91ZNflZPlUs

[Mirek]

Wacthing the accidents of Novikov and Kubica... don't tell me that modern cars are fragile!

[Koceens]

Great video! Nice to watch when i wasn't able to be there myself :) That fast downhill with the bump is in Palsankylä right? Østberg rolled there one year.
I think that place is in Mokkipera stage.

[dupanton]

Not only Kubica was lucky: Esapekka Lappi | Crash and spins | WRC Rally Finland 2013 - SS 18 Ouninpohja - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEMVhU5WlNc)

[noel157]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91ZNflZPlUs

Was that Dudu? :)

[mousti]

What were those GG-.... plates on the cars?

[Jafry]

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2013/1177/1177_neste_oil_rally_finland_2013_c63fd66a76.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2013/1177/1177_neste_oil_rally_finland_2013_37c727d8b8.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2013/1177/1177_neste_oil_rally_finland_2013_b731e591fb.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2013/1177/1177_neste_oil_rally_finland_2013_e4d29ff4f3.jpg

More photos from Neste Oil Rally Finland 2013 HERE (http://www.rally-mania.cz/photogallery.php?id=1177)

[chosse_1]

Hi again!

Thanks for the support for the rally, I give you with three clips of the rally, at the moment.
Full version and slowmotion soon!

Sorry, i can't upload link, see on youtube WRCantabria for see Lappi crash, clio r3 crash and roll and Hirvonen full attack!

[emk]

Could anyone share a link with the times of the Finnish national class drivers which were running after the WRC event?

Vetomiehet (http://www.vetomiehet.fi/tulokset/)

Some pretty good times compared to NORF.

[donlorean]

What were those GG-.... plates on the cars?

Temporary registration plates... Those plates includes insurance that covers all personal injuries(drivers, spectators) in accidents, and other possible damages that it might cause. It doesn't matter if accident happens in SS or in road section...

[Mirek]

Onboard of Ogier from Ouninpohja 1. I hate this camera position but still it's nice.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2s-WqXcG9A&feature=youtu.be

[makinen_fan]

Onboard of Ogier from Ouninpohja 1. I hate this camera position but still it's nice.

Same thoughts for me, why cant they use the same central position as with JML's Polo. It give much better perpective

[Racing Ka]

Nice Results:
Jari Ketomaa & Marko Sallinen Fiesta R5 1.
Samuli Vuorisalo & Eetu-Pekka Hellsten Fiesta R2 1.
Raimo Kaisanlahti & Jussi Kumpumäki Fiesta R1 1.

Andreas Amberg & Mikko Lukka Fiesta R2 JWRC 1.

And only if Juho could done the same with WRC...

[adr17]

I'm afraid the difference between the Ford and the VW/Citroën will be bigger on asfalt then on gravel...

absolute rubbish

[mousti]

Max Vatanen tells us why no Finn was on the podium this weekend..

Disappointing that no Finns where in the top3 in Rally Finland. Ogier, Neuville & Ostberg were supported by their federation in their career and here we can see the result. The Finnish motorsport federation should learn from it and do the same! Jari Ketomaa & Andreas Amberg saved our honour by winning their class, good job!

Well.... :p

[SubaruNorway]

Max Vatanen tells us why no Finn was on the podium this weekend..

Disappointing that no Finns where in the top3 in Rally Finland. Ogier, Neuville & Ostberg were supported by their federation in their career and here we can see the result. The Finnish motorsport federation should learn from it and do the same! Jari Ketomaa & Andreas Amberg saved our honour by winning their class, good job!

Well.... :p

Østberg had no support from the Norwegian Motorsport Federation really... Here they just like to save their money, and spend it on nice trips for the members.

[wrc45]

Does anyone know how much did they jump at the yellow house jump?

[noel157]

VW Motorsport's weekend away in Finland:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvWQBvPkh1E#at=216

[stefanvv]

VW Motorsport's weekend away in Finland:

Even with Latvala's fault, there is some spirit of the team. Can't say the same for Citroen, it's quite sad they even didn't show their 2nd driver in their reports

[tfp]

Just watched the onboard of Ogier at ouninpohja....

WOW.

Can we call him Ogieronen yet? :D

[stefanvv]

Just watched the onboard of Ogier at ouninpohja....

WOW.

Can we call him Ogieronen yet? :D

:D Not yet, there is still time to beat Loebinen :D

[MartijnS]

I think that place is in Mokkipera stage.

Yes, it was at Mokkipera indeed!

[Sulland]

Did anyone else have issues with the stone Østberg almost hit on ss22, or was it removed by spectators or something?

[sindroms]

I'm looking for photos and videos about car no 122 Renault Clio R3. So if you have any, please send it to my email with some info about rights and rewards that you want from them...

Thank you

tarvainenjari(at)kolumbus.fi

Wanted to ask you... Was your accident somehow related with woman who was in corner outside (she was just crossed stage) or was it completely driving mistake? Regarding photos, I suppose my fellow has post-crash photos - car moving from road action. If you are interested in it, let me know.

[Hartusvuori]

I'm still recovering from the event, will check back later with a longer post, but in the meanwhile, here's my friend's gallery from the event:

Neste Oil Rally Finland 2013 (http://rallirinki.kuvat.fi/kuvat/Neste+Oil+Rally+Finland+2013/)

http://rallirinki.kuvat.fi/kuvat/Neste%20Oil%20Rally%20Finland%202013/_MG_8435.JPG?img=small
http://rallirinki.kuvat.fi/kuvat/Neste%20Oil%20Rally%20Finland%202013/_MG_5623.JPG?img=small
http://rallirinki.kuvat.fi/kuvat/Neste%20Oil%20Rally%20Finland%202013/_MG_6600.JPG?img=small

[donlorean]

Wanted to ask you... Was your accident somehow related with woman who was in corner outside (she was just crossed stage) or was it completely driving mistake? Regarding photos, I suppose my fellow has post-crash photos - car moving from road action. If you are interested in it, let me know.

There was no one reason for the accident... Main reason was that we had a wrong pacenote for that place. We knew that it's difficult corner and there was "attention" in our notes but there should be a lot more than just that... That woman cause a little confusion, and didn't help but it wasn't her fault at all... And we catching a car in front of us and there were a lot of dust... Generally we were a little too optimistic in that stage. We check from splits that we drove there over 1 sek/km faster than we drove in other stages(comparing to other drivers). And that was first time on Ouninpohja for both for us... So it was just our own error...

Luckily we are both ok and there was no injuries. Last thing I remember was that we are going a roof front in trees so it could be much more dangerous accident than it was...

[Mintexmemory]

absolute rubbish

What evidence do you have for taking such a stance? Don't you believe VW have done enough testing in the last year to fine tune their tarmac suspension. Do you think Mads has suddenly got much better on tarmac when that is a part of JML's game that was very much improved last year. Remember there are no rocks on the Mosel valley roads. - just the hinkelsteins on the 'platte ;) . Despite TN's form if the VW guys don't make mistakes it's a 1-2 for VW (home rally so I'm sure there will be a 'special' effort)

[OldF]

From WRCHD (via twitter)

Renault Clio R3 | Huge crash and roll | WRC Rally Finland 2013 - SS 18 Ouninpohja » WRC HD (http://www.wrchd.com/renault-clio-r3-huge-crash-and-roll-wrc-rally-finland-2013-ss-18-ouninpohja/#.Uf847PponeY.twitter)

Now also on mtv3.fi/ralli with Lappi's spin.

Ouninpohjan EK:lla hurja kaato – katso video - MTV3.fi - Urheilu - Ralli - Uutiset (http://www.mtv3.fi/urheilu/ralli/uutiset.shtml/2013/08/1788222/ouninpohjan-eklla-hurja-kaato---katso-video)

[adr17]

What evidence do you have for taking such a stance? Don't you believe VW have done enough testing in the last year to fine tune their tarmac suspension. Do you think Mads has suddenly got much better on tarmac when that is a part of JML's game that was very much improved last year. Remember there are no rocks on the Mosel valley roads. - just the hinkelsteins on the 'platte ;) . Despite TN's form if the VW guys don't make mistakes it's a 1-2 for VW (home rally so I'm sure there will be a 'special' effort)

all you guys do is always slag of fords and there drivers

would you prefer no fords in the championship so just 3 vw and 3 citroen that would be interesting

the fiesta is a good tarmac car 10 times better than the focus and jari was leading monte carlo before he crashed in 2012 and thierry is a proper tarmac driver

the original quote said fords wont be able to get near vw or CITROEN , that was more my point

[ThomasS]

Did anyone else have issues with the stone Østberg almost hit on ss22, or was it removed by spectators or something?

I expect they left it there as some sort of philosophical science experiment into cause and consequence...

[chosse_1]

Hi!
My full review of the rally it's online!
youtu.be/ 4NB5VuT8f6A

I hope that you like!!

[tommeke_B]

What evidence do you have for taking such a stance? Don't you believe VW have done enough testing in the last year to fine tune their tarmac suspension. Do you think Mads has suddenly got much better on tarmac when that is a part of JML's game that was very much improved last year. Remember there are no rocks on the Mosel valley roads. - just the hinkelsteins on the 'platte ;) . Despite TN's form if the VW guys don't make mistakes it's a 1-2 for VW (home rally so I'm sure there will be a 'special' effort)
"No rocks". But crazy cutting is punished everywhere... Mostly the same drivers who are "lucky" or "unlucky". Both Latvala and Mikkelsen are mostly at the "unlucky" ones when it comes to punctures. I'm sure there is a 'special' effort for all events by the way. But still, if anyone beats VW's number 1 and 2, it will be Sordo (if he finds some magic) or Neuville I think. Ostberg his pace and driving lines/braking etc in Alsace last year were great, maybe he can surprise as well? :)

[tommeke_B]

I expect they left it there as some sort of philosophical science experiment into cause and consequence...

Do you happen to have nightmares about stones?

[leighton323]

Do you happen to have nightmares about stones?

Regarding this situation with the stone, I to agree it is a part of rallying.
However I also believe that the incident involving Meeke and Novikov is also a part of rallying. If this incident occurred in a standard everyday rally, the time would not have been reinstated.
However I thought a penalty to Novikov for not pulling over for a following car (which is something that is taught when first starting rallying and something he should have done) should have been a better solution to the issue.

I do very much feel sorry for Meeke and he was rightly pissed off but, Remember this is rallying, same with hitting an animal etc. IMO

[tommeke_B]

What I commented on had nothing to do with the Novikov-Meeke incident. And by the way, it turned out as an advantage for Meeke... ;)

[leighton323]

What I commented on had nothing to do with the Novikov-Meeke incident. And by the way, it turned out as an advantage for Meeke... ;)

Haha Yeah sorry, was not directed at you. I was just relating it to the "it's a part of rallying," Line to which the stone incident was discussed ;) And yes, that is exactly my point.

[thuGG]

Onboard with Kubica off into the forest ;) :
Robert Kubica - onboard and great save WRC Finland 2013 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBte4-R8K7A&feature=player_embedded)

[Hartusvuori]

I expect they left it there as some sort of philosophical science experiment into cause and consequence...

Are there any onboard video or other of the Östberg rock?

It's very possible that the rock was pulled up by the previous crew and the thrown away by Östberg, that's why no further comments on it.

Sure the whole road condition question became all talked about for the most of the rally, but was it really thaaaat much worse than in previous years, I don't know. The small roads always get heavily rutted in Finland, as they did this year too. Maybe it was little bit more than usual, but still - not really. More rain this summer to soften the roads? I don't think so. How was it in 2007 when some roads in Central Finland (not stages) were washed away by the heavy rains just week before the rally? I visited service park in Friday evening and asked all the WRC/WRC2 drivers I saw about the situation and they were 50/50 about it, though the general consensus was that small roads got into bad condition.

Of course, if there's a big rock on the road and we see it, and it's possible to go and kick it away, we do it. But drivers shouldn't count on it, like someone here already said, not every meter of the stages can be monitored during the passes for rocks. That's rallying ;-)

[ThomasS]

Are there any onboard video or other of the Östberg rock?

It's very possible that the rock was pulled up by the previous crew and the thrown away by Östberg, that's why no further comments on it.

Sure the whole road condition question became all talked about for the most of the rally, but was it really thaaaat much worse than in previous years, I don't know. The small roads always get heavily rutted in Finland, as they did this year too. Maybe it was little bit more than usual, but still - not really. More rain this summer to soften the roads? I don't think so. How was it in 2007 when some roads in Central Finland (not stages) were washed away by the heavy rains just week before the rally? I visited service park in Friday evening and asked all the WRC/WRC2 drivers I saw about the situation and they were 50/50 about it, though the general consensus was that small roads got into bad condition.

Of course, if there's a big rock on the road and we see it, and it's possible to go and kick it away, we do it. But drivers shouldn't count on it, like someone here already said, not every meter of the stages can be monitored during the passes for rocks. That's rallying ;-)

"Thats rallying" that explains everything and nothing...

But sure I agree and I did already say that you have to take your chances in an earlier post.

The point and maybe the question is why would you knowingly watch a car drive over a large rock in the racing line when presumably , for example , you'd remove a wheel that had fallen off a car or a piece of body work out of the racing line. You just wouldn't leave it there for a car to run over surely?

And before someone says your not allowed to intervene Id just say all the footage I've seen of shirtless buffoons rushing in fearlessly out of the under growth to help a crew out of a ditch or a crash makes a mockery of that.

[tommeke_B]

@Thomas, what are you trying to reach with this repetitive complaining? Things like this happened, happen, and will happen again, with or without spectators. On tarmac rallies in corners with cuts dirt gets on the road and drivers can crash there too. Are the spectators responsible for removing that too? How about a patch of ice in Monte Carlo? Where do you draw the line?

[ASRTmedia]

A huge thanks, for all of You for the support in stages at Neste Oil Rally Finland 2013, here in the forum, and from any other place in the world!
Mehanics also did a great job in every service, absolutely not a easy rally for a group N car!
ASRT(Autostils Rally Technica)
https://www.facebook.com/Autostilsrallytechnica

ASRTmedia
https://www.facebook.com/ASRTMedia

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[makinen_fan]

A huge thanks, for all of You for the support in stages at Neste Oil Rally Finland 2013, here in the forum, and from any other place in the world!
Mehanics also did a great job in every service, absolutely not a easy rally for a group N car!
ASRT(Autostils Rally Technica)
https://www.facebook.com/Autostilsrallytechnica

ASRTmedia
https://www.facebook.com/ASRTMedia

Cant wait for the onboard footage!

[stefanvv]

@Thomas, what are you trying to reach with this repetitive complaining? Things like this happened, happen, and will happen again, with or without spectators. On tarmac rallies in corners with cuts dirt gets on the road and drivers can crash there too. Are the spectators responsible for removing that too? How about a patch of ice in Monte Carlo? Where do you draw the line?

FIA must take your proposals into account when they discuss 20 changes they're about to soon. Every spectator must carry a broom on asphalt rallies and when a dirt is thrown on the road, marshals must stop the next car (or at least slow it down) while the spectators sweep it. For ice patches in Monte Carlo I would suggest a blow torches which will melt down the ice first and then optionally vaporize the water (if there is time left for the next car)

[tommeke_B]

WRC Rally Finland 2013 [HD-Pure sound] By Devillersvideo - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keyvk8RkChI) - Not sure if already posted here. Another great video. :)

[ThomasS]

http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/714/wp99.jpg
5th gear corner bro

Finland an't the Safari dude, its a high speed event on generally smooth fast roads.

[ASRTmedia]

Cant wait for the onboard footage!

There will be no onboards for public viewing, WRC does not allow to publish them, papers were signed! :(

[stefanvv]

WRC Rally Finland 2013 [HD-Pure sound] By Devillersvideo - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keyvk8RkChI) - Not sure if already posted here. Another great video. :)

Great video. Is Lappi with BRR Fabia?

[samWRC]

3180

Yuriy Kochmar's Mitsubishi in the ditch at Surkee 2 stage.

[makinen_fan]

There will be no onboards for public viewing, WRC does not allow to publish them, papers were signed! :(

That's sad :(
How come other competitors, e.g. Paddon, show at least part of their onboard footage in their daily coverage? Do they have special permission/pay additional fees?

[Hartusvuori]

There will be no onboards for public viewing, WRC does not allow to publish them, papers were signed! :(

First they deny us the stage times (for free practice and qs, that is a fact) and then onboards. What next? It was kind of funny on Saturday when Vetomies started, them I could follow from GPS tracker site on my phone, but WRC... blaah. Then again, in the forests it's difficult to use data and not first priority (first priority is eyes on stage), but how on Earth it's so difficult to get these little things right.

[Mirek]

Is Lappi with BRR Fabia?

No, Lappi drove Even Rally car (which Tidemand used in the past). Paddon was with BRR.

[tommeke_B]

Isn't Paddon entered in WRC2? If you are entered in a championship it's probably possible to make agreements. As a "normal" private entrant, you can't do anything...

[makinen_fan]

Isn't Paddon entered in WRC2? If you are entered in a championship it's probably possible to make agreements. As a "normal" private entrant, you can't do anything...

If it was their (RBMH) cameras placed in the car (which I doubt) then I can understand it. But since he is not competing in the championship they are promoting anyway why do they care if they release footage of their driver or not? Probably it is just a way to force them pay extra fees and register as a WRC2 competitor? Sadly it is all about money at the end. In a few year possibly they will even remove them from the wrc.com 'official timing' (which is accurate to miliseconds, LOL)

[tommeke_B]

It is all about money indeed. If you are from a factory team, all doors go open. If you're a private entrant, you're just another number. FIA and the promotor are destroying their sport from the bottom out but don't want to see it, as long as they are making money...

[Juha_Koo]

There will be no onboards for public viewing, WRC does not allow to publish them, papers were signed! :(

What an absolute shame... :(

[Miika]

Hiding the material, that´s the way to kick some life into this series..

From Ouninpohja alone they could easily make a video that would promote the **** out of this thing, with onboards + heli shots + road side view and so on. In the spirit of the Climb Dance video, but not from a single car but a variety of them.

[EightGear]

http://www.wrc.com/news/capito-delighted-and-sorry-after-finland/?fid=18891


As well as praising his rally winner, Capito said sorry to Latvala who retired from day one with suspension damage after his Polo R struck a rock at the side of the road on the second stage. The Finn retired*from opening day of Rally Mexico*in similar circumstances.*

“We are very sorry for Jari-Matti,” said Capito. “It was not at all his fault – it was his experience in the first season and the car should have been able to cope with hitting this rock and it did not. This is the second time he has had this and we are really sorry that we messed up his rally.”*

“We must learn as a team from his retirement. Our engineers will analyse the incident in detail and further improve the Polo R WRC.”


What?

[makinen_fan]

World Rally Championship - News - Capito delighted and sorry after Finland (http://www.wrc.com/news/capito-delighted-and-sorry-after-finland/?fid=18891)


As well as praising his rally winner, Capito said sorry to Latvala who retired from day one with suspension damage after his Polo R struck a rock at the side of the road on the second stage. The Finn retired*from opening day of Rally Mexico*in similar circumstances.*

“We are very sorry for Jari-Matti,” said Capito. “It was not at all his fault – it was his experience in the first season and the car should have been able to cope with hitting this rock and it did not. This is the second time he has had this and we are really sorry that we messed up his rally.”*

“We must learn as a team from his retirement. Our engineers will analyse the incident in detail and further improve the Polo R WRC.”


What?

Give Capito another year with JML and he will loose his patients with him at the end... Rocks will never stop getting in his way

[RAS007]

World Rally Championship - News - Capito delighted and sorry after Finland (http://www.wrc.com/news/capito-delighted-and-sorry-after-finland/?fid=18891)


As well as praising his rally winner, Capito said sorry to Latvala who retired from day one with suspension damage after his Polo R struck a rock at the side of the road on the second stage. The Finn retired*from opening day of Rally Mexico*in similar circumstances.*

“We are very sorry for Jari-Matti,” said Capito. “It was not at all his fault – it was his experience in the first season and the car should have been able to cope with hitting this rock and it did not. This is the second time he has had this and we are really sorry that we messed up his rally.”*

“We must learn as a team from his retirement. Our engineers will analyse the incident in detail and further improve the Polo R WRC.”


What?

This is like an April Fool's article......

[liposh]

There will be no onboards for public viewing, WRC does not allow to publish them, papers were signed! :(

I don´t think they can do this (from logical point of view, I know once the papers were signed...damn). Logically if car is yours, cam is yours and moreover roads are public then it is equal to forbid spectators to publish their videos.

[Franky]

I don´t think they can do this (from logical point of view, I know once the papers were signed...damn). Logically if car is yours, cam is yours and moreover roads are public then it is equal to forbid spectators to publish their videos.

If you'd get your hands on the video contract you have to sign, then you pretty much understand that all the WRC videos from fans are pretty much illegal.

To be honest, I don't see a reason to get so p*ssed off at this because it has been a very long practice in the WRC ;)

[tommeke_B]

I don´t think they can do this (from logical point of view, I know once the papers were signed...damn). Logically if car is yours, cam is yours and moreover roads are public then it is equal to forbid spectators to publish their videos.
It's a simple procedure. Your onboard camera must be found OK by scrutineering (you must prove it has a strong support etc). Also there must be a sticker on the camera. Only if the sticker is on, the camera is allowed. They can check it at the start/finish of stages, or in regroups (not sure if they check on it). In order to get the sticker, you must send a demand for permission to use a camera more than one week before start of recce, where you must mention what the use of footage is for. If the promotor finds it OK, then you receive your papers you have to sign before you receive the sticker. On the papers it's clear, no publishing, only for private purposes. There is no correct way to go around it. ;)

[Mirek]

If you'd get your hands on the video contract you have to sign, then you pretty much understand that all the WRC videos from fans are pretty much illegal.

That's usually expressed that way but I seriously doubt the promoter could win a litigation in case it goes that far. A rally event is not held in a closed area where You can define such rules. Of course it depends on the law in every particular country but still it's more a dog barking than anything else in my opinion. For example I think that in France it is illegal even to take entry fee (I think it's technically illegal here too - or better to say it's spectator's will to pay and no legal obligation). Moreover there is no publicly visible information for spectators that they can't take videos or photos like it is common in case of concerts, theaters etc.

[liposh]

If you'd get your hands on the video contract you have to sign, then you pretty much understand that all the WRC videos from fans are pretty much illegal.

To be honest, I don't see a reason to get so p*ssed off at this because it has been a very long practice in the WRC ;)

It reminds me that well-known joke: "Don´t let your children share their toys with other children. Sharing is piracy and piracy is crime."

[Franky]

That's usually expressed that way but I seriously doubt the promoter could win a litigation in case it goes that far. A rally event is not held in a closed area where You can define such rules. Of course it depends on the law in every particular country but still it's more a dog barking than anything else in my opinion. For example I think that in France it is illegal even to take entry fee (I think it's technically illegal here too - or better to say it's spectator's will to pay and no legal obligation). Moreover there is no publicly visible information for spectators that they can't take videos or photos like it is common in case of concerts, theaters etc.

I think that they haven't got that far purely because of the impossibility to control that people don't take pictures or film. Especially nowadays when majority of phones are capable of doing both with reasonable quality.

[KKSF]

Novikov's mistake on SS2. Jumping everywhere. And small mistakes.
KKSF HD video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMQEY6Gv48k

[stefanvv]

Nice for comparison. Pay attention to Meeke, Neuville, Ogier:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnnBiQz9dVU

[dimviii]

Novikov's mistake on SS2. Jumping everywhere. And small mistakes.
KKSF HD video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMQEY6Gv48k

finally a video that has Lukyanuk.Bravo.

ps Lukyanuk was equipped with Pirellis...

[tommeke_B]

I think that they haven't got that far purely because of the impossibility to control that people don't take pictures or film. Especially nowadays when majority of phones are capable of doing both with reasonable quality.

They let it be and use videos from crashes for example, from youtube, as "amateur footage". I don't believe the promotor would win anything by getting all rallyvideos offline. People who put their video online have nothing to fear... :) But I'm not sure about people who are youtube-partner (making money from ads on youtube) or people who sell their own Dvd's, that could be a completely different story...

[dimviii]

have we see this video?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=TbTBG2FC-nE

[Xsara Fan]

Aleksey 'Lukas' Lukyanuk interview after Neste Oil Rally Finland 2013 (google.translate from Russian language) (http://translate.google.ru/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=ru&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.almrally.ru%2Fnovosti-wrc%2Finfo%2F100013%2F)

[Mintexmemory]

Give Capito another year with JML and he will loose his patients with him at the end... Rocks will never stop getting in his way

Yes but just imagine how dominant VW will be if they can give JML rock-proof suspension! :eek:

[stefanvv]

Aleksey 'Lukas' Lukyanuk interview after Neste Oil Rally Finland 2013 (google.translate from Russian language) (http://translate.google.ru/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=ru&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.almrally.ru%2Fnovosti-wrc%2Finfo%2F100013%2F)

"...SS Ouninpohja? - Difficult to remember..." :D

[garais22]

Some pictures from NORF 2013 (http://www.go4speed.lv/lv/photo/autosports-pasaule/627-somijas-wrc-rallijs/)

[MartijnS]

So, we came back yesterday from our first and already for sure not our last Rally Finland!
Crazy how fast the stages are!!

Starting with the shakedown near the end at the nice jump sequence, good spot! Than at the Qualifying stage we went to the lefthander before those jumps as we thought, jumps are jumps and the guys will push at that corner more than during the shakedown and fortunately that was true! Ogier came first and was the sickest of all, completely sideways at such a high speed, unreal!

Thursday we did two runs of the Torritu stage. Not really that great spots, but not bad either. Reasonably fast section at the first run and a 90" left corner with big tracks in the corner after the first run. Left there after about 20 cars to Killeri. Fun to watch in the rain!

On Friday we did 4 stages. Recced those, so found some good spots.
Good jump at the first run of Jukojarvi. Than we went to Mokkipera where we planned to see a section which seemed impossible to reach, so we had a change of plans and came out at again a 90" left with a small crest before which we noticed in the recce already too. Slippery one! Very nice, lots of sideways action. Neuville nearly lost it there, was off the road with the rear. Some narrow escapes of other cars before Suarez in hisFiesta went off into a ditch. It was just the 4 of us in the corner, fortunately some Finns came to help and after some hard work he got out after 10 or 15 minutes.
Back to Jukojarvi, fast downhill part. Not that special.
Last spot of the day was a full throttle downhill part, with some bumps at the end where they had a really fast lefthander up. Crazy speeds!!

Saturday, again 4 stages.
Started at Surkee, fast part before a 90" right. Not spectacular at all, but managed to take some nice shots as they drove directly past a lake.
Than to Ouninpohja for probably the most boring spot of the rally, small jump into fast left. So decided to leave after Ogier to go to Painaa but lost track of the road in the forest so missed that one.
So lunchbreak and back to Surkee. First big spectator area, fast 90" right, quite good, but you just stand to far from the action, but nice shots with the spectators on the background. After that back to Ouninpohja for our last stage, really fast lefthander. Guys really pushing there, setting the car sideways before the corner. Amazing again!

Ogier definitely the man this weekend, almost every time we saw him was great. Neuville and Ostberg too, really good. So great rally for us, nice atmosphere. Really cool service park, nice ladies. Jyvaskala also a nice town to stay at night, some good restaurants and clubs. If possible, definitely back next year!

Saw some of my photos allready being posted from EWRC, but they are online at our website now too!

http://www.rallymedia.nl/images/2013/wrcrallyfinland/Tahko%204.jpg

http://www.rallymedia.nl/images/2013/wrcrallyfinland/Ogier%207.jpg

http://www.rallymedia.nl/images/2013/wrcrallyfinland/Prokop%207.jpg

http://www.rallymedia.nl/images/2013/wrcrallyfinland/Latvala%209.jpg

http://www.rallymedia.nl/images/2013/wrcrallyfinland/Hanninen%204.jpg

More at our Facebook Page (http://facebook.com/rallymedia) or our Website (http://www.rallymedia.nl/images/2013/wrcrallyfinland/rallyfinland.html) !

[danon]

Given the way VW jumps-flybys-lands compared to the rest I think they come up with
and implemented the idea of activ (gyroscopic effect) "in the air" control diffs.
You guys know what I mean.
Smart, huh!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiTUiop9etk

[danon]

AWBC - Active Weight Balance Control :monkeedan

[Hartusvuori]

Few thoughts from this year's edition of Rally Finland.

From our experience, this year was easier and more relaxed for the spectators. It must be said that this year we did shakedown + 8 stages which is two less than the few prior years, but still traffic wise, fellow spectator wise, marshall wise, timing wise, it was relaxed. There weren't any proper early morning wake up for example. I think Surkee 1 on Saturday was the earliest stage and it wasn't on until half past eight. Some said there could've been less spectators than previously... well. For example on Torittu 1 it was fully packed, but then again other places not so. Also not that much of stupidly behaving groups of drunks, they were there, but not in such high number I think. All in all, it was 4 days, 56 hours, shakedown, 8 stages (+ 1 Vetomies stage), service park, one recce stage, 680 kms by car, some 33 kms by foor, some rain, some sunshine, no mosquitos, no warm meals for days. Very nice, as expected :-)

For QS Ruuhimäki we did the save option at the end, right at the beginning of the fast left that ends in the junction right. We could see cars go over three jumps/crests. The rhythm at the place is like a dance or a symphony, so beautiful. Perfect place to start the event, especially if still new to Rally Finland. Competition wise Hirvonen, Ogier, Neuville, Östberg, Latvala - all went for it. Latvala's second FP looked fastest, but I think in QS he lost a little in the braking to the junction. I was totally surprised how Meeke set 3rd fastest time on the first FP. He was still clearly coming in terms with Citroen, braking a bit by bit to the junction. I noticed later in the rally as well, that Meeke didn't push through fast corners as confident as current WRC regulars, but he definitely sped up as the event went on. Considering this was his first competetive start in who knows how long time, it's understandable. Of WRC2 drivers, first run of Kubica was so and so, but from the second run, he was on it. About Lappi, his Fabia looked weak from the first sight. I've seen more agile Fabias. Shakedown was also my first experience with R5 cars: it's evident that the speed is faster than S2000s, especially in junctions the torque kicks in, but the sound of the car... It drops somewhere near Mitsubishis and Subarus and that's not a compliment. Ruuhimäki was also very active in social relations. I met almost all the non-Finnish people I've get to know in previous rallies, very very nice. Also Lorenzo the Photo Project guy was there, nice guy. Perhaps the most unbelievable coincidence was how the people we stayed in Sweden at SS Vargåsen and tried to make the fire out of wet wood in the winter (the best memory from Sweden) just happened to walk pass and we reunited. :-) Rallying is so much more than just cars, I've told it hundred times and will tell hundred times more.

Then came Day 1 with some controversy. First, yes, it was a long day in hours and kilometres and short day in competetive mileage, but spectator-wise it still was a kind of proper day. It was so easy to see two stages in the afternoon with not too much effort. At Torittu 1 however we were faced with a bit of parking farce (P2). We were charged €5 for a roadside parking, some 4 kilometres to stage. After 1 km or so we reached the queue, and the only marshall at the place told that was it. At the same time an angry land owner was starting to make her heart go weak raging who she didn't want the rally there in the first place and no one should park in her land. A kind man as I am, I suggested her to watch out for her land then otherwise it'll be full of cars there roadside, but she wouldn't listen. We did a u-turn and parked 150 metres earlier and made the 3+ kilometer walk to the stage. It was then a little frustrating to realise how poorly the parking was organised because during the walk we found at least 50 empty spots for cars... What can you do. Glad we had time. This was the only issue we had with too much traffic.

The place on Torittu we had chosen was a fast over crest right, directly into left-right. The cut on the left was deep with a small ground rock in the rut. Most of the WRC cars jumped nice, Novikov even sideways and it was also nice to see how they shifted the balance of the car from one side to another in that left-then-right corner. Fast place too. Latvala cut deep there, some spectators heard as if something would've went broken. Then when the news came in through radio that he had broken suspension, a debate began whether it was there or not. Later it was clear that it was much further in the stage. Only Bertelli had a close-call there as he jumped out of the ruts. He also went wide in the following over 90 junction right. If you remember from YLE Ralliradio's video from earlier in the summer how the overshoot the junction there roadspeed, at least three cars did that in the first run too.

Then Himos 2, just in the name of science as I were interested to see how it works with 30-second intervals. It was surprising to see how little number of spectators the stage attracted. It's well-positioned, good parking, the infrastructure is there (restaurants, bars, shops) but still it remains that rally is a sport run in forests. We chose a place some 100 metres uphill, so we had a view of the start and the first 150 metres uphill, then the cars passed us on fast left in narrow, bad-conditioned road with a difficult braking into the tunnel, then later on we could see the 200 metres return to the second loop and the part that led to the finish. As it was 30-interval, mostly cars everywhere once it started. It pretty much exactly started to rain when first car started. It was heavy rain, and later I was told the area at the SS Himos start/finish was the end of it, the road some 1 km away was completely dry. A lot happened on the stage, I've already written it down in here. Admittedly it was weird how Mikko didn't run in the same group as other top WRC drivers, but still - his outburst towards the organisation grew into too big proportions. He might have lost a few seconds there, but it for sure wasn't easy conditions for his competitors either.

Day 2 we started in Jukojärvi 1. Had damage on my friend's car's rim and tyre while driving to the official park, that lowered the feeling for a bit, but soon we were back on track. We aimed at the buzzed, difficult over crest right 1,0 km from the new start of the stage. While walking the stage, you couldn't tell 50 meters from the 90 degree turn which direction it goes. Many familiar runki faces in the spectators. It must've scared the drivers in the recce too as basically nothing happened (two late runners visited the field a little, as there were no ditch, no damage nor huge timeloss). At that place we witnessed Mikko at the angriest, had he kept that, this rally could've been a different story. Also Östberg and Ogier were really going for it. Neuville went just a little wide and I think that could've mentally hold him down a little. He lost the odd 10 seconds on the stage.

For Jukojärvi 2 we oddly walked further from the car, but found a nice, a little different place compared to our previous stops. Almost three-hour gap until first car though. The place was definitely the fastest I've been to in years in Finland. Fast section preceed it and what we saw was some 200 metres with a small jump and high speed right. The remark I made of Meeke earlier was apparent in here. He lifted it a little where as other were on it. Also, as it was second run, Sordo's and if I remember right Mikkelsen's car were only one on sump guard in the ruts. After Ketomaa we ran for it.

As our plan failed a little here, we decided to go to Lankamaa 2 and gain one more hour, even if Lankamaa is almost one hour further than Mökkiperä. Easy parking and nice shortcut to a place near start, the somewhat famous fast approach to very narrow bridge, then few fast bends. Relaxed last stage of the day for us. Only Gryazin had an absolutely hot moment in the bridge. He went wide on the entrance, rear left almost hit the bridge, then corrected in the bridge and almost hit the bridge with rear right. Gryazin is a name to remember, he drove boldly throughout the event until...

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[Hartusvuori]

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Most of the Day 3 we stayed at Surkee, but in three different places. We started at the end loop, a place with long view over nice bends. The section ended in a view of a jump that kicked the rear of the cars abruptly. Nice, relaxed place. We came in early, but WRC TV were there even earlier. We had the flags up near one of the sponsor stands. Then some 30 minutes before 1st car a photographer arrives and wants to have our Juho/Blue Oval -flag removed. JML/VW -flag could stay, as he worked for VW. I didn't want to argue about, I was there to relax, so we made a compromise and I removed the Juho flag into another place. WRC TV guy was very nice about it, he promised it'll be in the shots, and it did. Still, irritated how the commercialism is intervening in such way. Considering we were perhaps only Finns with fan flags (some have their home-made, sprayed Finnish flags, but that's all), the little there is should be kept for the atmosphere.

Between Surkee 1 and 2 we stayed in the loop for Vetomies but went for the field right which is famous crash scene from a winter event in the past. This was recced and the ruts were like rails, so nothing occured. However, the fastest guys there (Salminen, Kuhanen, Bäck, etc.) were really refreshing to watch for a change. Sad how many of the crews had already retired before the finish of the first stage. More than 50% of Vetomies crews retired from the event.

For Surkee 2 we changed the place completely, now earlier in the stage a place we stayed in 2011 when it was run the opposite direction. It's a narrow road, had a nice jump which landed just before a flat ground rock. No marshalls, only a few people, full sunshine, so it was nice place to spectate jumps from a close distance. Villanueva made it into the ditch on the first run, but on the second loop, only some very nice, 20-25 meter jumps. Definitely the most intense place we stayed at in the rally.

Then it was already time for the last stage of the rally, Painaa 2. We were at a junction right with a nice view on the approach. There was a not small, but not big either ground rock inside the junction. Many of the WRC cars went over it with front right tyre being open, but it caused no confusion. Neuville was clearly on attack here. In the end it was a bit of sleepy place to end the rally, but nevertheless, it had already been four nice days in the stages, so we were ready for home.

Competition wise the podium guys stood out from the rest.
- Ogier was in complete control over the weekend. It was shame that Loeb didn't get interested in more starts, because that could've pumped more life into the fight for the top podium. When Ogier is on attack, it's nice to watch, but clearly not at all on all stages he wasn't - still he is super fast and spectacular.
- So many people have said it earlier that Neuville was the man of the rally and I simply have to join them. Such a mature event with only few small mishaps there. He is driving super fast and the most of the time also super clean. Sometimes he can loose it a little, but in this rally the little didn't turn into something big. I hope Neuville will be in Finland next year with machinery that is capable of fighting for the victory. If he continues to develop the way he does, he will win rallies - even from Ogier.
- Östberg is also clearly having his best season so far (speed wise). He drives very spectacular style, but still remains fast. If he would clean his style a little, I'd say he'll get faster still. But when compared to Neuville, this was Thierry's 2nd time in Finland where as for Mads it was 7th or 8th start here in WRC.
- Meeke - lack of competition shows, but he has good speed, he developed and he brings nice attitude to the sport. I would full-heartedly welcome him back.
- Latvala - not much to say. He does the mistakes, but again it was also a little of bad luck. But what's done is done. Last four years he has done very well in Finland, so statistically this was bound to happen. After restart he did okey, but nothing superb.
- Hirvonen - he should've talk less and drove faster. Before the rally I believed he would've had the speed even to beat Ogier, but clearly his prime has gone.
Sordo - was he there? Very much a definition of average in this rally, as well as in this whole season too. If he keeps the unachieving spirit in Germany, he should keep his word at the end of the year.
- Novikov - up until his crash he was nice to spectate, quite crazy in many places. After the crash he clearly just tried to finish. A huge minus for unsportsmanlike conduct in Palsankylä 1.
- Hänninen - before the rally he said he need more a few very good stage times than to finish. He really didn't succeed in either, but still okeyish. Without the mistake, he could've finish fifth or even fourth.
- Nikara - absolute shame how he didn't finish. Mini WRC is not there speedwise, but Nikara made the most of it, he also has good support and attitude. However, after the rally he said that if his chances in becoming a professional rally driver doesn't soon get better, he'll become a farmer. This is an expensive hobby...
- PGA - shame how his spirit was put down with the tech issue in Tamrazov's car on Friday morning loop. He didn't show anything super fast, but still he is not written off yet.
- Ketomaa - I think he did a standard run for him, no problems, in full control. Also good to see that R5 worked it through. He finished now higher with R5 than with WRC last year. Well, that tells more about this year's edition than it does about anything else.
- Kubica - amazing ability to learn, great speed, nice to watch + he has the rally driver attitude. This one's a keeper for WRC.
- Lappi - underperformed hugely, but after the restart his driving looked better and more efficient. Perhaps it was in the car in the first place...
- Paddon - nothing super either, but still a strong performance overall. Kiwis shouldn't worry, this one's a keeper too. And nice guy, too.
- Lukyanuk - I must've had too high hopes from the YouTube videos. Or perhaps you simply can't drive Evo X flamboyantly. Fast he is, times tell that, but he still need to give the adreline rush. Also a fast learner.
- Pajunen - did better after the restart.
- Gryazin, Gilbert, Chardonnet, Vuorisalo, Kinnunen, Tidemand, Fisher, Cronin - all names to remember.
- Surprised how Bertelli did so well, or I don't know his times, but on stages he was much nicer now than in Sweden

My friend's pictures: Neste Oil Rally Finland 2013 (http://rallirinki.kuvat.fi/kuvat/Neste+Oil+Rally+Finland+2013/)

In 15 days the shakedown for WRC Germany will start. I have two weeks to rest... :-)

[A.F.F.]

Thanks Hartusvuori. Great report :up:

[Markko]

Pictures from Torittu 1&2, Koukunmaa, Jukojärvi 1, Service Park HQ, Surkee 1&2:
Neste Oil Rally Finland 2013 | Tango Team (http://www.tangoteam.com/?q=gallery&g2_itemId=17345)

[chosse_1]

Hi there!
Here is our last video of Finland, a slowmotion clip.
I hope that you like it.

youtube.com/watch?v=U17-O7pxG5M

[SubaruNorway]

They let it be and use videos from crashes for example, from youtube, as "amateur footage". I don't believe the promotor would win anything by getting all rallyvideos offline. People who put their video online have nothing to fear... :) But I'm not sure about people who are youtube-partner (making money from ads on youtube) or people who sell their own Dvd's, that could be a completely different story...

The European Rallycross promoter IMG have had youtube video's removed actually,lucky we don't have that in the WRC.

Just realized why WRC didn't post the record run through Ouninpohja btw, VW had them not to since Ogier don't want the others to see where he gained all that time...

[dimviii]

Just realized why WRC didn't post the record run through Ouninpohja btw, VW had them not to since Ogier don't want the others to see where he gained all that time...

this is your opinion,or you read that?

[dimviii]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ymIAmDaz_T4

[samzon]

Pictures from NORF 2013

neste-ralli 08.13 (http://samzon.kuvat.fi/kuvat/neste-ralli+08.13/)

[SubaruNorway]

this is your opinion,or you read that?

Realized means my opinion, if i read it i would have written i read it ;)
Could be that they don't have the footage for some reason of course.

[cali]

Realized means my opinion, if i read it i would have written i read it ;)
Could be that they don't have the footage for some reason of course.
Here you go

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2s-WqXcG9A

[Mirek]

That's first run.

[cali]

That's first run.
Indeed

[Ide]

I just finished my rally Finland gallery. There are shots about 6 stages, VW service and the podium.

http://www.ilkansivu.net/NORF13/SS17%20Leustu%201/NORF_2013_08_03_3909_pikku.jpg (http://www.ilkansivu.net/NORF13/index.html)

[makinen_fan]

I just finished my rally Finland gallery. There are shots about 6 stages, VW service and the podium.

http://www.ilkansivu.net/NORF13/SS17%20Leustu%201/NORF_2013_08_03_3909_pikku.jpg (http://www.ilkansivu.net/NORF13/index.html)


Very nice, and the gallery arrangement is very user friendly and easy to browse around!

[noel157]

Mr Lukyanuk:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkzGtYjE2fU&feature=youtu.be

[noel157]

Only one video per post?

And from somebody's living room:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRLTNO4N5Xw

[noel157]

25 min report now on World Rally Championship - Video (http://www.wrc.com/video/)

[Fly]

Cronin :up:
Rally Finland Palsankylä 1 - Keith Cronin - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUHseio2Fi8)

[MTA]

A great rally as usually!
Ours pictures is online now at http://www.rallyfoto.se

Select "Besökta tävlingar" and then the day.

[Hartusvuori]

Only one video per post?

And from somebody's living room:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRLTNO4N5Xw

Looks like I was only poorly located considering Lukyanuk's antics...

[dimviii]

very nice video with excellent finale!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=K2GzPRRe1wU

[makinen_fan]

Strange that no one else mentioned the rock Mads had to avoid...

Thierry found the rock as well but didn't need to go off the road to avoid it:

“On the start line I was a little nervous. I could see Mads going into the stage in front of me and he was very fast into the first corner. I could see he was pushing and I had no choice. We did it and we are here. It’s a shame he had the stone [in the road], I saw it as well. We had the same speed, but it went right for me.”

from wrc.com
World Rally Championship - News - Q&A: Thierry Neuville (http://www.wrc.com/news/qa-thierry-neuville/?fid=18894)

[AMSS]

very nice video with excellent finale!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=K2GzPRRe1wU

Really excellent video, compare the cars and especially the suspension. Ford and VW clearly behaves better than Citroen and Mini, this is easily visible on the rough section from Himos SS and also in the landings of the jumps.

[OldF]

Are there any onboard video or other of the Östberg rock?

Östberg’s stone that he avoided by going wide just after this bend.

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii284/OkdF/Oumlstbergsstone_zps1fdf5e63.jpg

Maybe this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h86McFp_29k) guy is involved in these stone issues. ;)

[makinen_fan]

very nice video with excellent finale!

hot moment for Mikko at 7:50!

[Bill_]

Second time in a row in Finland and what a great rally it was! We totally enjoyed the fast and spectacular stages! Fast and solid performance by Ogier, completely dominating. Amazing battle for second place and glad to see Ostberg not hitting bigger trouble than that rock (is he getting over with his bad luck?). Hope to see more battles like this in the following events! Mikko had a good start but did not continue in a similar way, still fast in places. Sordo clearly not showing good speed. Excellent performance by Nikara and Meeke. Pitty they didn't finish. Let's hope to see more from them.
Fiestas R5 proved fast. If only they sounded better..

[OldF]

Colin Clark ‏@voiceofrally (https://twitter.com/voiceofrally) 2h (https://twitter.com/voiceofrally/status/365157635135242242) Looked Big enough from the in car, but looks huge from outside! @krismeeke (https://twitter.com/krismeeke) crash from fan cam. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNyboTLhHuQ&feature=youtube_gdata_player … (https://t.co/sD9GAkrG8K)

[dimviii]

:vader:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Uzl00s8pIJY

[noel157]

Seriously on the limit the Citroen pair. Meeke just wins the recovery cigar. Great clip.

[dimviii]

nice gallery
http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2013/photos/neste_oil_rally_finland_2013/je_44.jpghttp://www.ewrc.cz/images/2013/photos/neste_oil_rally_finland_2013/je_45.jpg
eWRC.cz - Fotogalerie Neste Oil Rally Finland 2013 Martin Jenek (http://www.ewrc.cz/ewrc/fotogalery.php?events=6538&fotograf=307)

[dimviii]

best video so far,with another great finale! :D kudos to creator!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=gMylLWgaDFU#at=164

[MartijnS]

Nice video indeed, only too bad the sound of his gopro or something goes in the red every time ;)
Heard the last guy at the shakedown, really good impressions haha :D

[makinen_fan]

best video so far,with another great finale! :D kudos to creator!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=gMylLWgaDFU#at=164

note the difference in Citroen suspension, Mikko at 0:02 and JML 2:21, Evgeny 3:31. Also in some jumps it is noticeable they don't land as nicely as VW and Fiestas. This is the first time I notice a Citroen behaving like this, setup issues maybe?

[dimviii]

always ds3s were like that compared to fiestas.Polo seems to be better imho at landing from big jumps,and at very bad surfaces.
At the points you are reffering Mikko had the worst line,thats why he jumped so much.If you see Ogier at the same corner,he has choose a totally different line(more at left side of road) where the surface is like tarmac.Compare him with Latvala at same corner and see the difference with same car.

[miniwintz]

Here are the few photos worth posting that I took


http://i.imgur.com/xNsD18Zl.jpg
Hi res: http://i.imgur.com/xNsD18Z.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/4uuke99l.jpg
Hi res: http://i.imgur.com/4uuke99.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/RejdjZNl.jpg
Hi res: http://i.imgur.com/RejdjZN.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/5AR2UtZl.jpg
Hi res: http://i.imgur.com/5AR2UtZ.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/uw4Livnl.jpg
Hi res: http://i.imgur.com/uw4Livn.jpg

I still have a lot to learn in rally photography ...


Anyway rally was awesome to live from there. Neuville/Östberg for second place was probably the best fight of the season so far, considering they're both practically in the same team. Incredible run from TN overall, he is the true star of the rally! Lukyanuk/Arnautov very very fast, incredible to watch him smoke the 207 s2000 at SS6. Also very friendly and close to his fans, great guy. Hope he gets the chance to do more world class rallies in the near future.
Sordo meh, Hirvonen meh, Latvala meh. Meeke very impressive, I would like to see him more often. Ogier is from another planet as usual.

[makinen_fan]

always ds3s were like that compared to fiestas.Polo seems to be better imho at landing from big jumps,and at very bad surfaces.
At the points you are reffering Mikko had the worst line,thats why he jumped so much.If you see Ogier at the same corner,he has choose a totally different line(more at left side of road) where the surface is like tarmac.Compare him with Latvala at same corner and see the difference with same car.

Yes indeed Ogier is the only one who took the wide line and avoid the bumps. But still Mikkos car jumped much more than JML and all other cars, probably there was another rock over there, who knows. Neuvile's was quite smooth although he took exactly same line.

About the jumps, I never noticed it that was inferior to the Fiesta, time to watch some 2012 footage :p

[makinen_fan]

Was this posted before?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0z7xXkDZ2xM

Scene after Meeke's crash at around 6min

[Rallyper]

Here´s our story of NORF 2013:

Started with a F1 round in Jordan F1 car-simulator on Viking Lines´ferry Mariella. Simon did 1.27 best lap on Australian GP track... Me 1.33 best lap.

On wednesday it was very busy because we came to Helsinki at 10 am and going off ferry took about one hour. Then we had to do recce at Torittu-stage on our way up to Jyväskylä. But luckily we were at Ruuhimäki FP one minute before 16.00!! Very nice meeting Teemu for the first time!

On Thursday we did Torittu 1 and 2. After that we headed directly to Jukojärvi for recce. We decided to be at the same place one K into the stage where Hartusvuori was. We slept in car overnight at P2. Very nice place and many campers good arranged place to stay overnight I would say. We only did Jukojärvi 1 and 2 in changed places. Second time we were at well known place at P2.

Saturday we did Leustu 1 and 2 uphill before the famous doublejunction. We saw Al Rajhis´off at first juction. Then we went to Paviljonki and looked at PS on big screen.

Finally best thing was the show finnish star Paula Koivuniemi gave on Saturday night. Really amazing star and she had all the thousands in the audience in her hands!!


OK, back to drivers:

Ogier: smart, fast and lucky. Also at the moment having the best car.
Neuville: He´s the future challenger to Ogier. Used his car to the limit, Looked smooth in his driving most of the time.
Östberg: Has become faster and faster, and with changed luck between drivers he could have won NORF this year.
Mikko: Has peaked I think. Seems to have lost motivation.
Novikov: was too excited and didn´t handle the speed in Finland. Not yet ready for the big five.
Mikkelsen: Seady and still learning.
Meeke: Surprisingly fast. I welcome him for more WRC-drives in the future.
Juho: Fast and have more potential.
PG: Unlycky start. And then did a good job. Hope he´ll do full year in WRC in 2014. Let´s then talk about PG!!!
Nikara: Will be a top driver if he gets lucky finding a seat in WRC.
JML: Well, what can you say. Not consistent enough. Drove too wide at Torittu, which punished him at once. Is lucky though to be in VW-team - giving him more chances in the future.
Sordo: No comments.

[dimviii]

http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2013/photos/neste_oil_rally_finland_2013/grr_73.jpghttp://www.ewrc.cz/images/2013/photos/neste_oil_rally_finland_2013/grr_36.jpghttp://www.ewrc.cz/images/2013/photos/neste_oil_rally_finland_2013/grr_71.jpg

eWRC.cz - Fotogalerie Neste Oil Rally Finland 2013 Greg Roslon (http://www.ewrc.cz/ewrc/fotogalery.php?events=6538&fotograf=100)

[dimviii]

http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2013/photos/neste_oil_rally_finland_2013/nka_003.jpghttp://www.ewrc.cz/images/2013/photos/neste_oil_rally_finland_2013/nka_043.jpghttp://www.ewrc.cz/images/2013/photos/neste_oil_rally_finland_2013/nka_059.jpghttp://www.ewrc.cz/images/2013/photos/neste_oil_rally_finland_2013/nka_038.jpg

eWRC.cz - Fotogalerie Neste Oil Rally Finland 2013 Nikos Katikis (http://www.ewrc.cz/ewrc/fotogalery.php?events=6538&fotograf=180)

[6789]

Finally back from NORF and our travels around Europe! Had another fantastic event, it was great to see the Polo in action.

My photos are now online at eWRC.cz

Kind Regards

http://s10.postimg.org/p0dyawio9/hun_hunter001.jpg (http://postimage.org/)

http://s10.postimg.org/6yutd3ond/hun_hunter006.jpg (http://postimage.org/)

http://s10.postimg.org/l6ki1r1c9/hun_hunter017.jpg (http://postimage.org/)

http://s10.postimg.org/6onatra15/hun_hunter023.jpg (http://postimage.org/)


Full gallery available here

eWRC.cz - Fotogalerie Neste Oil Rally Finland 2013 James Hunter (http://www.ewrc.cz/ewrc/fotogalery.php?events=6538&fotograf=311)

[Hartusvuori]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1vw2H31Txo

Road accidents are not a laughing matter, but here you can see how tricky the tricky barn bend is - latomutka - that have victims from Petter Solberg to recent 2010 havoc. See last 20 seconds.

[uranium]

[video=youtube;A1vw2H31Txo]Road accidents are not a laughing matter, but here you can see how tricky the tricky barn bend is - latomutka - that have victims from Petter Solberg to recent 2010 havoc. See last 20 seconds.

Drunk russians. What else to comment

[A FONDO]

Drunk russians. What else to comment

haha exactly, no need to comment more, they say enough themselves

[Rallisauna]

My photos from the NORF 2013 can be seen here: Picasa Web Albums - Sami Kolsi - Photo Journey... (http://goo.gl/u6A7r3) Not so much about the driving itself but more of a "behind the scenes" material.

[dimviii]

lol
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-TmT9h9nj6BM/UgKNyFM4RmI/AAAAAAAAE8k/myMXcXFIwJQ/s512/2013-06-17-632.jpg

[tommeke_B]

One of many Latvala-stones I would say. :p

[dimviii]

One of many Latvala-stones I would say. :p

i think that if he had collect all these stones,he could build a small cotage :p

[Mintexmemory]

i think that if he had collect all these stones,he could build a small cotage :p

I think he should be called 'Rocky' Latvala henceforth!

[Hartusvuori]

One of many Latvala-stones I would say. :p

I think that was the very first. It stang already then when it happened, I recall it clearly.

[HarriK]

:D

Crazy finnish rallyfans - WRC Rally Finland 2013 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-7KBTsFaqQ)

[NxOxT]

:D

Crazy finnish rallyfans - WRC Rally Finland 2013 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-7KBTsFaqQ)

more like drunk degenerates...definitely not rally fans.

[A.F.F.]

I really don't understand why every event with lots of people has to be turned to a drinking festival. Yes, I use alcohol sometimes but when i do, I find way better places than a rally to get wasted. N.O.T is right what he said, definately not true rally fans.