[WRC] Rally Finland 2013

[Leon]

I'm tired of Latvala......

[Miika]

No matter how short the stages, Latvala can´t avoid the rocks and the Sh#t time keeping lottery has a meltdown.

[EightGear]

Wow.

http://www.imgdumper.nl/uploads7/51fa4303b6940/51fa4303b2ea8-close.png

[A.F.F.]

iRally works very fine.

Latvala has to drive all stages and liasons without service. He is going to loose a lot today. Great job :up:

[A FONDO]

[url=http://www.almrally.ru/gallery_card.php?prt=0&g=100053&ientry=0&iseason=0&inode=0&isv=0]Ð*алли ФинлÑ

[dimviii]

Kubica 3,1 sec faster from Lappi

[dimviii]

Kubica 3,1 faster from Lappi

[Ucci]

JML with broken left rear suspension! He hit a stone which caused the damage!

How the hell on earth he hits every fuc...stone??
About others:Sordo is loosing to much, I expected at least on this short stages to be able to keep with the fastest....I hope Nikara will not have (to much) problems with Mini.....

[dimviii]

Brynildsen on problems,very slow first split

[Leon]

[quote="SlowSon"][url=http://www.almrally.ru/gallery_card.php?prt=0&g=100053&ientry=0&iseason=0&inode=0&isv=0]Ð*алли ФинлÑ

[EightGear]

Paddon :up:

[makinen_fan]

[quote="SlowSon"][url=http://www.almrally.ru/gallery_card.php?prt=0&g=100053&ientry=0&iseason=0&inode=0&isv=0]Ð*алли ФинлÑ

[pantealex]

Paddon :up:
Ketomaa leads him 7,4s with DMack´s

[Toyoda]

Killer time by Paddon...Go KIWI :)

[Franky]

Is SIT having a fiesta or a siesta in Finland? The mess they call stage times is getting tiresome.

[Ucci]

This one will not be so ''easy'' for R.Kubica. Indeed he is already a winner just to participate, but for a final victory few others in WRC2 are very very fast....Still, my best wishes are for Robert....

[A.F.F.]

Ketomaa leads him 7,4s with DMack´s

I remember reading an interview where Ketomaa told that DMack has made a huge step forward with gravel tyres. Apparently he told no nonsense.

[dimviii]

Fisher fastest ds3

[rage82]

Ketomaa leads him 7,4s with DMack´s
Yes, but Ketomaa is driving R5 spec. car on his home rally.

[vkangas]

I remember reading an interview where Ketomaa told that DMack has made a huge step forward with gravel tyres. Apparently he told no nonsense.
Some part of it being PR talk but surely there is also a good improvement.

[vkangas]

Nikara beating Sordo & Meeke - nice! :)

[dimviii]

Fisher fastest ds3

and very close (3-4sec)to fastest n4 cars.Now Salo 3 sec faster from Lukyanuk

[makinen_fan]

JML wheelInstagram (http://instagram.com/p/ceCy3Usywn/)

[dimviii]

Evans why so slow at stage2?

[Kalm]

its a timing error, according to radio he was fastest in WRC2, with 4.35...

[liposh]

Plaese wait until 6th special stage to judge the DMack tyres, I personally do not trust them, but I could be also wrong.

[Mirek]

I remember reading an interview where Ketomaa told that DMack has made a huge step forward with gravel tyres. Apparently he told no nonsense.

So far we have seen only very short stages. I thought the bigger problem for DMack was long stages and rough gravel.

[makinen_fan]

Is Evans also with DMack?

[Sulland]

What happened to Brynildsen on SS2, and has he been able to fix it?

[stefanvv]

Where did JML found this rock, I thought there is only gravel in NORF :confused:

[A FONDO]

Where did JML found this rock, I thought there is only gravel in NORF :confused:

Don't underestimate JML when he is on "rock mode"!

[Miika]

Latvala guessing the fix they made won´t last till the end of the day. We´ll see.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BQlQ8RaCEAA2ftB.jpg:large

[dimviii]

So far we have seen only very short stages. I thought the bigger problem for DMack was long stages and rough gravel.

+high temperatures

[pantealex]

Is Evans also with DMack?
NO, he has Michelin
Barrable has DMack

[EightGear]

Wasn't there some pressure from the FIA to SIT about the timing which should be spot on this time? If so, I guess SIT lost their contract just now. :rolleyes:

[Viking]

What happened to Brynildsen on SS2, and has he been able to fix it?

[Front wheels toeing in] "On a long straight the wheel came out to the left, so it's clear that something broke. We didn't hit anything, we were flat out in 5th and the wheel just came out."

[EightGear]

Sordo can go home... Meeke is 16 seconds faster. :D

[stefanvv]

Don't underestimate JML when he is on "rock mode"!

Yeah, thought so

[noel157]

Sordo can go home... Meeke is 16 seconds faster. :D

Kris slowly getting his confidence, more to come.

"I'm happy. I love this car"

[Koceens]

Sordo can go home... Meeke is 16 seconds faster. :D This is exactly what I was thinking after getting their times. :)

[Mintexmemory]

Assuming the timing isn't XXXXed again - GO KRIS!!

Question: which driver is considering a career change as a ROCK star? (There goes my Pickem again!!)

[noel157]

Results are woeful. Are they on 10 min start gaps per car?

[Miika]

Really happy for Thierry and Kris, that is if the times stand.

[dimviii]

Latvala didnt start the stage yet...

[jliivak]

Assuming the timing isn't XXXXed again - GO KRIS!!

Question: which driver is considering a career change as a ROCK star? (There goes my Pickem again!!)

Daniel Oliveira?

[Mintexmemory]

Really happy for Thierry and Kris, that is if the times stand.
TN is clearly in the zone at present but for him and Kris to beat MH on the first proper length stage shows there is a big test for the home boy in the next 2and a half days!

[Mintexmemory]

Daniel Oliveira?
Your thinking of Danny y los juniors. - nope try again.

[Miika]

Latvala didnt start the stage yet...

Trying to do so in the next 10 minutes (radio).

[noel157]

Latvala didnt start the stage yet...

Team are saying he's enroute to SS but that may take some time.....

[dimviii]

Latvala didnt start the stage yet...

Jari Matti Latvala just arrived here @RallyFinland (https://twitter.com/RallyFinland) Remote Refuel must be nearly 45 minutes late though, wheel back on but tyre rubbing…
…then when he moves away the rear wheel is floating quite a lot, won't make the 72km to SS3 in the 25 minutes he has left!

https://twitter.com/sebmarshall

[dimviii]

Lappi is on any kind of problem?Kubica.Evans,Kruuda,Ketomaa,and Paddon faster.

[Sulland]

Are there any R5s on other tyres than DMack?
Is there a resultsite that list the tyres in addition to the car ?

[Bartek]

Ketomaa is on flying mode :)

[Kalm]

Ketomaa faster than Sordo... Paddon doing a great job also

[EightGear]

Ketomaa just beat Sordo.

[dimviii]

Sordo slower,from Ketomaa....

[dimviii]

Latvala
https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/q71/988687_496094870469659_1442738921_n.jpg

[dimviii]

Latvala started the stage,very slow 1st split though

[dimviii]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/q71/548873_10151529332035754_908508287_n.jpg

[stefanvv]

Looks like the repair holds so far

[Raini]

lukyanuk with his N4 car is very fast & furius, I'd like to see him desperately in WRC car.

[Miika]

Ogier taking things carefully in SS2:

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/45241_670250353003917_2140869953_n.jpg

[Hartusvuori]

Any more detailed info where Latvala's misfortune happened? He told wrc.com on a right over crest just before junction to a wider road, is that 1,7km or 4,8km? We were at 1,5 km, a right over crest that continued immediately into left with deep cut and rocks on the inside. Junction came 300 metres later. Latvala cut deep and many spectators said they heard a bang as if someone broke. I didn't heard anything, but who knows. Even Sordo already was on the sumpguard there. The rock on the rut was EDIT not that obviously big, so perhaps it was later in the stage for Latvala. Road got relative soft and rutted.

Novikov brought it the craziest, sideways in the jump. Contrast to following Neuville was immense, he had fast but super clean line.

Gilbert and Amberg were my favourites of the 2wd drivers - and Cronin too. Evans, Ketomaa and Kubica fastest wrc2, also Lappi, Paddon and Kruuda (and Gryazin) nice. My first sight of Lukyanuk wasn't intense, he took it carefully.

Some 4 kms of cars parked roadside P2 at Torittu. Popular event.

[makinen_fan]

lukyanuk with his N4 car is very fast & furius, I'd like to see him desperately in WRC car.

Why is he listed as class 3 and not 2 as S2000 and Imrpeza R4?
eWRC-results.com - archive and online results from WRC and rally (http://www.ewrc-results.com/results.php)
Are N4 cars in class 3? He is seriously quick!

[pucky54]

Are N4 cars in class 3?

Yes, thats the reason

[Mirek]

Yes, N4 cars are in class 3. Only R4 are in class 2.

EDIT: I'm slow :)

[makinen_fan]

thanks guys, I thought N4 and R4 are in same class

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BQlhPB3CAAEcPhH.jpgLatvalas tyre
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BQlhf0lCIAA44rx.jpg

[dimviii]

lukyanuk with his N4 car is very fast & furius, I'd like to see him desperately in WRC car.

Lappi 7,32,0
Evans 7,24,1
Kubica 7,26,8
Salo 7,31,4
Kruuda 7,26,6

Lukyanuk 7,29,3

[pucky54]

thanks guys, I thought N4 and R4 are in same class

Class 2: Super 2000 (NA & T), R4, R5
Class 3: N4

:)

[Viking]

Are there any R5s on other tyres than DMack?
Is there a resultsite that list the tyres in addition to the car ?

Elfyn Evans is on Michelin's... methinks

[Mirek]

Juho and Kris seem to get back to their IRC battles :)

[mm1]

Juho and Kris seems to get back to their IRC battles :)
And I love that!

[Miika]

Everyone reversing at the same spot apparently.

[Hartusvuori]

Prokop, Ostberg and Mikkelsen overshooting the same junction in SS Torittu 2. 600 metres before the bigger road starts.

[EightGear]

Prokop, Ostberg and Mikkelsen overshooting the same junction in SS Torittu 2. 600 metres before the bigger road starts.

Novikov too. Neuville said he lost maybe 3 or 4 seconds but he's still quicker than Ogier.

[EightGear]

Again, no clear rally leader, now it's Hirvonen and Neuville tied again! :D

[stefanvv]

Crazy times for Neuville & Hirvonen

[stefanvv]

Imagine the impossible situation the end of the Rally 2 drivers with equal times. Who will be declared winner - the first driver achieved that time (which is the slower driver the previous day) :confused:

[Allyc85]

Who ever is fastest of the 2 through the 1st stage isnt it?

Solid times from Meeke, happy with that so far :)

:up: beat me by a short head

[EightGear]

Imagine the impossible situation the end of the Rally 2 drivers with equal times. Who will be declared winner - the first driver achieved that time (which is the slower driver the previous day) :confused:

I can't imagine 2 drivers with identical times up to 0.001 seconds. :p

[Mintexmemory]

Imagine the impossible situation the end of the Rally 2 drivers with equal times. Who will be declared winner - the first driver achieved that time (which is the slower driver the previous day) :confused:
Fastest on Stage 1 is the UK National rule Happened last year (Cave and Price iirc)

[jonas_mcrae]

Top 8 are 19seconds apart! great rally, specially as the fords are going strong again, they did seem fast on the testing videos, but daaamn, Nueville is fighting!

Dont know if things would look the same if Latvala was still running normally though...

[Mirek]

Ketomaa in the league of his own among class 2 guys. Showing the true potential of R5 cars.

[vkangas]

How does the R5 look & sound on stages?

[Franky]

How does the R5 look & sound on stages?

The R5 looks good but could sound a lot better.

[stefanvv]

Ketomaa in the league of his own among class 2 guys. Showing the true potential of R5 cars.

The class has great potential as I saw recently. Cars are fast & have good handling

[makinen_fan]

JML is out of the rally, from VW

@JariMattiWRC (https://tweetcaster.com/jarimattiwrc) needed to retire after SS04. The team will pick up the car and bring it back to service. (1/2)

[makinen_fan]

What is the reason they run in groups of 4 cars and then 6 min break?

[jonkka]

30 sec gap for each car in group of four

[OldF]

Juho second fastest on ss 4, nice. It’s been sometimes said that real NORF starts on the second day and let’s hope all the guys can keep on pushing.

[EightGear]

Ostberg had better conditions in his group, so he's back in the fight now and passed Ogier.

[Miika]

Mikko really pissed off, 10 seconds behind Ogier now which is about two days in Finland.

[kober]

What is the reason they run in groups of 4 cars and then 6 min break?They're doing two laps of Himos

[kober]

Class 2: Super 2000 (NA & T), R4, R5
Class 3: N4Having such a different cars, i.e. R4 and R5, in one class is a bit not fair. They should move R5 up into Class 1, IMHO.

[VFTS]

Ketomaa in the league of his own among class 2 guys. Showing the true potential of R5 cars.

Ketomaa is fast, but sad for Brynildsen, his car is misfiring

[Sulland]

Ostberg had better conditions in his group, so he's back in the fight now and passed Ogier.

Or have we started to see tactics for the startlist for tomorrow?

[kober]

Or have we started to see tactics for the startlist for tomorrow?There's not really that much difference between running 13th and 14th on the road to justify such tactics.

[Mirek]

Having such a different cars, i.e. R4 and R5, in one class is a bit not fair. They should move R5 up into Class 1, IMHO.

Class 1 will be canceled completely. There's no sense in making more classes in times when every championship struggles to get enough entrants (NORF is an exception). Of course it's sometimes unfair to join more different cars in one class but to have a class for every two or three competitors isn't better. Anyway it looks like R4 will not continue in the future and recent N4 will be renamed to R4 (and stay separated from R5, RRC, S2000).

[kober]

Anyway it looks like R4 will not continue in the future and recent N4 will be renamed to R4 (and stay separated from R5, RRC, S2000).Yeah, move R4 down to Class 3. Same result, more sense :)
P.S. I'm aware that N4 is in Class 3 now, and renaming it to R4 won't introduce any change, really.

[Zeropt]

Killeri SSS live stream?

[vkangas]

Two Fords in top 4 and Hänninen being the best Finn - interesting... :)

[Mad cat jnr]

Does anyone know if the super special being shown live?

[vkangas]

Does anyone know if the super special being shown live?

Doubt it as MTV3 has only the power stage live.

[Mirek]

Two Fords in top 4 and Hänninen being the best Finn - interesting... :)

3 Fords in top 4 ;) Really unusual :)

[stefanvv]

J. Nikara: ...The engine was quite lazy in the morning... :D

[Miika]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mp1T8IUq6WQ
Credit:Käyttäjän junakuski kanava - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/user/junakuski?feature=watch)

[Jafry]

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2013/1177/1177_neste_oil_rally_finland_2013_447adfec41.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2013/1177/1177_neste_oil_rally_finland_2013_260c59559d.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2013/1177/1177_neste_oil_rally_finland_2013_5b5456e7b6.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2013/1177/1177_neste_oil_rally_finland_2013_90d2279166.jpg

More photos from DAY 1 HERE (http://www.rally-mania.cz/photogallery.php?id=1177)

[vkangas]

3 Fords in top 4 ;) Really unusual :)
Hah, tought math was my strength... :)

[Juha_Koo]

A very interesting D1! I'm really really happy for Neuville! Go Thierry! :)

We started our day nearly at the top of the Himos stage, a very challenging downhill crest-left. Hänninen almost ruined his rally there, lost it after the crest and the car was 80% in the inside ditch at the corner. 50cm more inside and he would have clipped a rockface with open wheel. Lukyanuk totally crazy in the place, attack 110% and all over the place, but very very great to watch! :up: Very rough road, some 2WD cars were struggling.

We continued to Torittu, but two parkings were full beyond understanding, total chaos, atleast on the other place marshalls didn't know anything, so we had to take an emergency route plan to the finish corners.

[Miika]

Newsflash with Latvala on the rocks:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diWzv29LH54

[cali]

The R5 looks good but could sound a lot better.
May I correct you and say thay Fiesta R5 could sound better. 208 was quite good sounding machine.

[Kalm]

Lukyanuk 8th overall in Killeri ! just behind Ogier... wow

[RS]

May I correct you and say thay Fiesta R5 could sound better. 208 was quite good sounding machine.

Fords always sound boring :(

But the performance is really good, especially on the SSS. I guess that shows they have good torque but are slower on the fast stages where they lack the power of the WRCars.

These cars have a lot of potential when fully developed, could they replace WRCars?

[NikoP]

http://nikop.kuvat.fi/kuvat/2013/Neste%20Oil%20Rally%20Finland/IMG_4116%20copy.jpg?img=img900

Day 1 photos: Neste Oil Rally Finland (http://nikop.kuvat.fi/kuvat/2013/Neste+Oil+Rally+Finland/)

[RS]

Top 8 are 19seconds apart! great rally, specially as the fords are going strong again, they did seem fast on the testing videos, but daaamn, Nueville is fighting!

Dont know if things would look the same if Latvala was still running normally though...

Can't see any particular reason to think that. Latvala has been slower than Ogier all year and was slower on SS1 too.

[dimviii]

So far Meeke is impressive for a driver without seat and competition kms.
Hanninen impressive,but he is local
Neuville if he stay inside the road at this pace very impressive.
Ostberg not so good,waiting more speed.Seems that he has stucked to do the ''last step''
Ogier waiting to be faster.Lets wait to see day2.
Hirvonen not bad,depents from which point of view you see his pace.From his previous rallies is much better,but if you compare him with Neuville,or Meeke not impressive at all.
Sordo,no comment,wish Meeke take his seat.Seems that he is not up for a works seat.
Latvala at first rallies he was searching his speed,when he found the speed he is back on his usual business with rocks inside the road.
Novikov not bad,at least inside the road.
Nikara good with a car that for sure his evolution must have stopped months ago.Want to see him at tomorow ''proper ''stages

wrc2
Kubica impressive without other words.Cant remember somebody with this pace at first visit at Finland.
Paddon very good considering his competition kms this year.
Lappi not impressive till now.Lets wait tomorrow for a better view.
Kruuda last rallies give me the impression that he evolves.At this rally i am sure.
Evans very impressive.
Ketomaa at his phisical position.Maybe his best rally if will finish like this.
Lukyanuk this guy deserves a r5 or a s2000 car.On par with Salo inside Finland is not easy.Specially at your first attempt.Except that his difference on some stages with wrc2 is very small for a N4 car at this rally(jumps)

[dimviii]

lol look Neuvilles face
Neste Oil Rally Finland (http://nikop.kuvat.fi/kuvat/2013/Neste+Oil+Rally+Finland/IMG_4135+copy.jpg)

[dimviii]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=CQUkbcxPTWY

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Thoughts on day 1

Great to have a Ford leading a WRC event again and Neuville is a real suprise package out performing his team-mates.

Also great to have a close battle for the lead with Ogier not running away with it (yet).

Looks like Novikov is determined to finish, so taking it steady... understandable, but a bit of a shame as he is fast.

As for JML and Hirvo... same old, same old...

Meeke and Evans both doing a good job representing the Brits back in Finland at last.

[dimviii]

no comments :p

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Flickr: bestofrallylive's Photostream (http://www.flickr.com/photos/bestofrallylive/with/9415909517/)

[stefanvv]

I think Ogier took it little easy today after what happened to Latvala. Waiting for tomorrow when the "real" Rally begins

[stefanvv]

First day coverage will be on Portugal's Sport TV 3 00:05 CET

[Hartusvuori]

Ready to fall asleep, but few thoughts on Himos 2 first. 20 years it was the same square kilometer where the first run pairs on super specials. Now it was 30 second intervals, 2 loops and heats. As a concept it was nice, but shame that the downhill part was as in bad condition as it went. During the top 40 it rained a lot which made the road very slippery. We saw the braking to the tunnel and many drivers had difficulties there on first loop especially, sliding a little wide. Kubica approached less on brakes than others, slid wide and stalled. Brynildsen's car stopped there for a half a minute, he had it back going, but it stopped again a little later for another half a minute. One other car retired right after the tunnel, also two of the very last cars retired one after another after the first loop. Saw one tire change, front left. Also two other front left punctures at least (Riedemann, Consani) and one damaged front left suspension (Burger).

The rain that ruined Hirvonen's evening came hard from Jyväskylä, but it stopped about 1 km after Himos area. No rain in Jämsä center for example.

And in reference to my previous post, we were not in Latvala's place on SS2.

Night night, then Jukojärvi.

[Mirek]

Lukyanuk this guy deserves a r5 or a s2000 car.On par with Salo inside Finland is not easy.

Moreover when Lukyanuk drives N4 while Salo drives R4 car. N4 Evo X is very heavy car compared to R4, not speaking about shorter suspension travel which must make a lot in Finland.

[Hartusvuori]

Speaking of Lukyanuk, he was very unimpressive on the two spots we saw him, unlike his fame. Perhaps tomorrow he shows the craziness..

[dimviii]

Again no mentioning Sordo.Seems is finished at Citroen

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x12kphs_citroen-wrc-2013-rallye-de-finlande-jour-1_auto

[eestlane]

Karl Kruuda Spin SS1 Rally Finland 2013 - YouTube (http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UNjPmnPeFiA)
Kruudas spin

[Arska]

I was also there in Killeri and watched all the cars. Yeah, Hirvonen drove pretty great but maybe the most surprising thing to me there was Matias Kauppinen's pace. When I looked at his stage time, he was one of the thirty fastest drivers, if my memory serves me right. Anyone knowing why did Yazeed slow down at the end?

Made me a good laugh when Campedelli drove with his trunk open :D

[makinen_fan]

Meeke's performance is impressive to jump into the car and be in the pace right away. Sordo has been really disappointing in this rally and the whole season, probably it is time to put pressure on him to try and improve a bit, as they did in 2010 when he was replaced by Ogier in couple of rallies. Meeke showed he deserves his seat

[Hartusvuori]

Neste Oil Rally 2013 EK3/SS3 Koukunmaa 106 Murat Bostanci Crash - YouTube (http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yc-cWurgG-M&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Dyc-cWurgG-M)

Bonstanci's huge roll.

[T.Maanteiden kuningas]

START ORDER 2.8.2013http://www.nesteoilrallyfinland.fi/attachements/2013-08-01T23-22-00253.pdf

[tfp]

Neste Oil Rally 2013 EK3/SS3 Koukunmaa 106 Murat Bostanci Crash - YouTube (http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yc-cWurgG-M&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Dyc-cWurgG-M)

Bonstanci's huge roll.

why is everybody clapping? :confused:

[Rallying UK]

RALLY FINLAND: Here's a ThingLink of Day One (and QS) action from Rally Finland 2013 - have a look around!:
Rally Finland 2013: Day One Wrap - ThingLink (http://bit.ly/11xOSMt)

[skarderud]

Neuville did a good job today, hopefully it will stay all weekend.
sordo as expected, he is a tarmac guy.
østberg and mikko did a quite good job, up there, but had small episodes today, they'll be back tomorrow.
good to see ogier is human, exiting to see his pace tomorrow.
latvala, aiaiai.
proper day tomorrow, then the race really begin!

[Xsara Fan]

Lukyanuk (in Russia we call him Lukas) have a puncture at SS1. He had only one spare wheel and after changing wheels he tried to slow his pace - he did not want new punctures. Also at "Himos 2" he has some technical issues (rocks broke exhaust pipe and some other parts of the car).

[Miika]

The only Finns that can stop Ogier from winning everything:

http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18vp1lj9x1361jpg/ku-xlarge.jpg

[A.F.F.]

Made me stop last year too ;)

[leighton323]

PG's first split very slow again.. Hopefully not a repeat of drama's from the first day.. :confused:

EDIT: Looks like it..

[T.Maanteiden kuningas]

only front wheel drive for P-G

[Mintexmemory]

Oh dear, PG needs to find a different car provider. This is doing him no good

[A.F.F.]

Jari-Matti was 88th yesterday evening. Pickems of his position by the end of this day? :)

[Mintexmemory]

Jari-Matti was 88th yesterday evening. Pickems of his position by the end of this day? :)

49 - stunning first on the road time for SS7

[T.Maanteiden kuningas]

Mikkooooooooooo!!! Hanaaaaaaa perkele hanaaaaaaaa!!!!!

[A.F.F.]

Nikara spun and lost about 10 seconds. He could have had a monster time :eek:

[vkangas]

Was just able to check Thursdays tv broadcasts... Have to say that there was an amazing amount of mistakes for all the top drivers. Everyone driving on the rocks, deep wide in the ditches etc. We could be missing any of them so I expect dramatic two days to come... :)

[skarderud]

go mads! kjør som f..n! heia heia!!!!

[GallardoGT]

Listening to WRC radio one difference is that Ostberg knows 'to lean on the ruts through the corners' and Neuville has to learns that skill.

[kiprazas]

lukyanuk is flying :)

[rage82]

Lukyanuk faster than Lappi, Kubica, Salo!!! I don't know really how is he doing this crazy times in N4 car.

[vkangas]

Lukyanuk faster than Lappi, Kubica, Salo!!! I don't know really how is he doing this crazy times in N4 car.
Great driving indeed! :) Nikara was also crazy fast last year with that old green whale (Lancer) and then was some talk of tyre advantage. Anyone know Lukyanuk's tyres / the rule for them?

[kiprazas]

i see him first time in rally estonia he drives astra gsi and drive very fast. Now he is i think fastest driver in baltic states.]
I think he is not from the Earth, maybe from Mars :D

[Kyberr]

Great driving indeed! :) Nikara was also crazy fast last year with that old green whale (Lancer) and then was some talk of tyre advantage. Anyone know Lukyanuk's tyres / the rule for them?

Do you really think he's fast because of his tyres?? Watch some onboards of his driving at youtube. He's a legend.

[rage82]

Great driving indeed! :) Nikara was also crazy fast last year with that old green whale (Lancer) and then was some talk of tyre advantage. Anyone know Lukyanuk's tyres / the rule for them?
You are right about Nikara! He was very impressive also in Spain, his first time in WRC car and now he's doing some good job. Have high hopes for his future!

[ASRTmedia]

i see him first time in rally estonia he drives astra gsi and drive very fast. Now he is i think fastest driver in baltic states.]
I think he is not from the Earth, maybe from Mars :D

Yess, in Baltic states his nickname is Spaceman :D

[vkangas]

Do you really think he's fast because of his tyres??
I wasn't saying that.

[vkangas]

Riku Tahko did nost start Palsankylä 1 (steering problems).

[Miika]

Evgeny visiting the ditch (hitting some logs) and Jarkko flying.

[vkangas]

Novikov off but can continue.
Edit: Slow.

[Mintexmemory]

Jarko doing his reputation a great deal of good. It would be impressive in a Ford but in a Mini -sensational

[Mintexmemory]

Evgeny visiting the ditch (hitting some logs) and Jarkko flying.

No surprises (both items of info!!!)

[vkangas]

Novikov in the front of Meeke, had to pass during stage...

[Mintexmemory]

Kris very annoyed with Novikov!!!!!!

[Mise]

Meeke stucked behind Novikov.

[Bartek]

Can I say this that Novikov is idiot?

I know it's strong but he finished Kris rally

[Mintexmemory]

Can I say this that Novikov is idiot?

I know it's strong but he finished Kris rally
An amusing idiot but yes as a mod I approve!!!
Kris isn't finished though - watch him go now!

[vkangas]

Jarko doing his reputation a great deal of good. It would be impressive in a Ford but in a Mini -sensational
Yes, and great work for years :) . Let's hope these performances will attract sponsors and proper management that Jarkko really deserves.

[Miika]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/992844_10201233388373184_67827179_n.jpg

[Mintexmemory]

Clearly plenty of room to go wide, - Malcolm, have a word!!!

[noel157]

Is this a mistake on quotes on eWRC? Novikov?:

#10 Meeke Kris - Patterson Chris "Some guys need to learn...he would not move out of the way...we have a broken windscreen.." / Někteří kluci by se to už mohli naučit... Nechtěl se pohnout stranou (aby ho mohli předjet) máme prasklé čelní sklo...
#10 Meeke Kris - Patterson Chris Heavy front damage, front wheel is broken. / Těžké poškození předku vozu.
#5 Novikov Evgeniy - Minor-Petrasko Ilka He stopped, but he is now driving again. / Zastavoval, ale pokračuje

Edit- just seen picture above, must refer to Novikov.

[Leon]

@Citroen: send a psychologist for Sordo....

but not the same as JML :)

[Miika]

Meeke hurt his hand while changing the tyre (the car dropped from the jack).

[vkangas]

Free translation from Ketomaa: others are losing so much that we're just cruising and laughing.. :)

[Carlo]

Clearly plenty of room to go wide, - Malcolm, have a word!!!

6 x 2 = two toots + two taps then two tons. Dead simple!!

[vkangas]

Meeke hurt his hand while changing the tyre (the car dropped from the jack).
Apparently damaged finger but sounded quite bad...

[noel157]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BQpmJQ5CAAEWijJ.jpg

[Miika]

No worries, he has practised for that:

http://www.wrc.com/news/660/120803_Novikovcrash.jpg

[tommeke_B]

Novikov does it again... Great drive from Thierry Neuville so far. Today and tomorrow I think he will lose a little bit of time, don't forget he is doing this event for only the second time. :)

[Miika]

"Ei tule aikaa"

Jesus.

[noel157]

Fisher stopped? Pity. He'll maybe concentrate on BRC now.

[Mintexmemory]

Cmon. Let's have the JML position picks for the end of Day 2

[Dug83]

No times again on WRC.com???

[jonkka]

Cmon. Let's have the JML position picks for the end of Day 2

We'll see at the end of the day

[kiprazas]

35 JML after this day

[rage82]

No split and stage times again!

[Mise]

14:00MM-ralli: Neste Oil RallyTorstain ajot ja tunnelmat. Toimittajana Miiro Koivula.




14:30MM-ralli: Neste Oil RallyPerjantain päivähuolto. Toimittajana Miiro Koivula. Suora lähetys.


Here's the MTV3 MAX program. First 30 mins of todays stages where they show 5 mins of driving and 25 mins of interviews.
Then after that live show from service. Way to go MTV...

[Miika]

No split and stage times again!

We´ll see those at the end of the day as well.

[Franky]

Hirvonen fastest so far, 0,3 faster than Latvala

[eib1]

Cmon. Let's have the JML position picks for the end of Day 2

43

[Mintexmemory]

We'll see at the end of the day

The idea is to offer an opinion now and see who gets nearest to the outcome. Then we can do it all again tomorrow :)

[rage82]

Juho with broken suspension!
From David Evans twitter: https://twitter.com/davidevansrally/status/363225086188195840/photo/1

[Mise]

Hänninen hit a rock. Lost the right rear wheel


Edit. Didn't lost it, but it's of the rim

[noel157]

Wheel still there but not good:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BQpvSpwCEAEfboE.jpg

[jonkka]

The idea is to offer an opinion now and see who gets nearest to the outcome. Then we can do it all again tomorrow :)

I know, I just don't see the point of it. Try predicting rally winner instead.

[Mirek]

Nooo :(

[vkangas]

Feel really sorry for Juho. Atleast he showed really good speed. Wasn't too suprized though as Juho said before the rally that he does not very much appreciate finishing but raw speed :) .

[stefanvv]

JML - 36 end day2

[Kalm]

Novikov:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0W3wP2xthn0&feature=youtu.be

[Mintexmemory]

I know, I just don't see the point of it. Try predicting rally winner instead.

We already did that! Predicting the winner from here is easy - le grand fromage. Mikko should be much quicker ifhe was going to be a credible challenger. Slightly quicker that 1st on the road time isn't good enough. Lots more drama still. To come methinks

[stefanvv]

Novikov:

Oh boy, how that happened :confused:

[Miika]

Oh boy, how that happened :confused:

"If I´m not very much mistaken, it´s a left. No, actually right."

[vkangas]

Seems that Hänninen is going to retire.

[noel157]

Seems that Hänninen is going to retire.

Yep, retired:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BQpyANyCAAI1XG-.jpg

[Leon]

I always wonder why they spent so much money to make these expensive high tech WRC cars but not spent a penny to make PROPER jacks (re Meeke) or windscreen wipers they do not fail when raining :mad:

[Mintexmemory]

Seems that Hänninen is going to retire.

There should be a don't like function to respond to that news. It was looking like a great battle with Meeke :(
Still can Jarko catch Mikkelsen - I think so (to half quote Descartes)

[br21]

Where can I find times of Vetomies competitors?

[Mise]

I always wonder why they spent so much money to make these expensive high tech WRC cars but not spent a penny to make PROPER jacks (re Meeke) or windscreen wipers they do not fail when raining :mad:

Hänninen on Himos II interview:
It was raining so hard the windscreen wipers of our Taunus weren't enough. :D :D

[br21]

Salo had some issues on SS9?

[Mintexmemory]

SO who has the best tyres for SS10?

[tommeke_B]

I always wonder why they spent so much money to make these expensive high tech WRC cars but not spent a penny to make PROPER jacks (re Meeke) or windscreen wipers they do not fail when raining :mad:
Where have you read that Kris Meeke has put the jack up properly? How do you know it's a flaw of the jack? And not of the person who putted it there. I think 99% of accidents with it are because of wrong use... About wipers I have no comment.

But about suspension that always breaks, like for Hänninen now. I will never understand the people who call the cars too fragile. Isn't it up to the drivers to know what the cars can take? By the way it always happens with the same drivers...

[Mintexmemory]

Can anyone remember Loeb retiring with broken suspension?

[br21]

But about suspension that always breaks, like for Hänninen now. I will never understand the people who call the cars too fragile. Isn't it up to the drivers to know what the cars can take? By the way it always happens with the same drivers...

Exactly! Especially as you can see on the photo of Hanninens damaged RR wheel, that brake disc is missing, brake caliper moved, so whole upright is broken... heavy impact is needed to make such damage.

[Leon]

Where have you read that Kris Meeke has put the jack up properly? How do you know it's a flaw of the jack? And not of the person who putted it there. I think 99% of accidents with it are because of wrong use... About wipers I have no comment.

But about suspension that always breaks, like for Hänninen now. I will never understand the people who call the cars too fragile. Isn't it up to the drivers to know what the cars can take? By the way it always happens with the same drivers...

well... it is a rally. you do not expect people to have the time to make sure they fix it properly. they could, or rather they are for sure able to make a better tool than the current ones...

i did not mention anything about fragile cars....

[stefanvv]

Can anyone remember Loeb retiring with broken suspension?

Poland 2009 I think

[Mintexmemory]

Poland 2009 I think

:) and before that? Very rare event!

[stefanvv]

:) and before that? Very rare event!

That's just an example I remember now, don't know earlier

[A.F.F.]

Why is Lappi so slow? Now that he is factory driver, he doesn't have to risk? I'm disappointed.

[stefanvv]

:) and before that? Very rare event!

There was funny story in Mexico (don't know the year), but I think he managed to the service park then

[stefanvv]

There was funny story in Mexico (don't know the year), but I think he managed to the service park then

Citroen sometimes have this advantage, like this one :D - Citroen GS - conos - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhuEoX_y0qY)

[Doon]

So Meeke is still pulling Sordo's pants down despite never driving the car competitively and not having done an event for over a year, and why doesnt have his seat? Oh yeh Sordo has more cash....disgrace!

[stefanvv]

Nice Rally so far for Ostberg

[Mirek]

Why is Lappi so slow? Now that he is factory driver, he doesn't have to risk? I'm disappointed.

Factory team is not in Finland. The car is from Even rally. Anyway I think that it shows the days of naturally aspirated S2000 cars are over.

[skarderud]

nice fight in top 4 here. østberg has used his vacation good it seems :)

[Toyoda]

Paddons on a Kubica hunt...

[leighton323]

Factory team is not in Finland. The car is from Even rally. Anyway I think that it shows the days of naturally aspirated S2000 cars are over.

I atleast expected him to be quicker than this, i expected him to be ahead of Paddon on home soil, especially from his result from last year. Do you think maybe the difference is in Even Rally car compared to the BRR car?

[Kalm]

World Rallycross Championship : Novikov vs Meeke

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_a0Jhdi9kyg

[Fiat-131-Abarth]

Factory team is not in Finland. The car is from Even rally. Anyway I think that it shows the days of naturally aspirated S2000 cars are over.
It's not only a matter of the NA S2000 Car. Pardon is faster than Lappi. I expected him much faster. Before the event I didn't think that Kubica could be faster than him.

[makinen_fan]

World Rallycross Championship : Novikov vs Meeke
Meeke had every right to be so angry against him

[Mirek]

I atleast expected him to be quicker than this, i expected him to be ahead of Paddon on home soil, especially from his result from last year. Do you think maybe the difference is in Even Rally car compared to the BRR car?

I too expected him to be faster. I can't comment the cars as I don't know what spec. those are but I'm sure BRR car is the best available for private team.

[noel157]

Meeke had every right to be so angry against him

Exactly, Novikov should have been penalised but kind of hard to police and determine exact circumstances other than Novikov was acting like a a*******

[Ucci]

What is the reason for Salo's worse stage time on 10th stage ?? He lost a lot......
Lukyanuk-crazy.....

[A.F.F.]

Factory team is not in Finland. The car is from Even rally. Anyway I think that it shows the days of naturally aspirated S2000 cars are over.

I'm well aware that the car is Even provided and not the factory but my point was that is Lappi thinking he doesn't need to push that extra 10% since he has a contract in his pocket. Because he isn't so good against other S2000.

[A.F.F.]

Tell me more about this guy Lukyanuk !!!?

[Mirek]

Tell me more about this guy Lukyanuk !!!?

Watch this complete and You don't need any words ;)

Rally Estonia Auto24 2013 Lukyanuk Arnautov moments - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D77SNOJnSVo)

[tfp]

Loving following the splits and stage times of this rally, there's fighting all over, less than a minute separating the top 5, with Mikkelsen knocking on the door....

Ostberg finally showing his speed against the seemingly unstoppable Ogier, and Hirvonen is waiting to pounce.

Who expected Meeke and Nikara to do so well? And Ketomaa v kubica v paddon!

theres fighting everywhere!

Does anyone still miss Loeb? :bounce:

[kiprazas]

Tell me more about this guy Lukyanuk !!!?
his name Alexey, mostly drive in Baltic states :)

[tfp]

Only disappointments are Jml and Novikov.... JML especially doesn't look like the same crazy Finn that won in 2010.

[Mirek]

Does anyone still miss Loeb? :bounce:

Yes, I do.

[noel157]

Who expected Meeke and Nikara to do so well?

Lots of people... :)

[makinen_fan]

Only disappointments are Jml and Novikov.... JML especially doesn't look like the same crazy Finn that won in 2010.

Did you expect anything else from Novikov? Highly predictable outcome.

For me the biggest disappointment is Lappi, I was expecting him to be quicker. Probably is partly due to car as suggested earlier .

[tfp]

Lots of people... :)

Theyre punching above their weight, fantastic to see the pair of them doing so well :)


Yes, I do.

i am very sorry for you!

[Juha_Koo]

What is the reason for Salo's worse stage time on 10th stage ?? He lost a lot......
Lukyanuk-crazy.....

Salo suffered a broken rear driveshaft.

[Mirek]

For me the biggest disappointment is Lappi, I was expecting him to be quicker. Probably is partly due to car as suggested earlier .

Lappi looses in average 2,41 s/km. Last year Ogier in Fabia was 1,73 s/km down to winner. Paddon was last year on 1,7 s/km before he retired. At that time both Ogier and Lappi were on 1,5 s/km. Paddon is now on 2,33 s/km. What comes from that? All S2000 are slower compared to WRC now and Lappi is around 0,3 s/km slower to Paddon than last year.

[Andre Oliveira]

eWRC-results.com - profile Alexey Lukyanuk (http://www.ewrc-results.com/profile.php?p=16873&t=Alexey-Lukyanuk)

[makinen_fan]

Lappi looses in average 2,41 s/km. Last year Ogier in Fabia was 1,73 s/km down to winner. Paddon was last year on 1,7 s/km before he retired. At that time both Ogier and Lappi were on 1,5 s/km. Paddon is now on 2,33 s/km. What comes from that? All S2000 are slower compared to WRC now and Lappi is around 0,3 s/km slower to Paddon than last year.

Thats a nice comparison Mirek, I didn't go that far. You are right S2000 cars this year seem to be much slower than last year. Even PG with the Proton had better pace last year 2.14s/km than Paddon this year.

My point is that I expected Lappi to be ahead of Paddon at least, mostly due to that a lot of people rate him very high. Btw, did he have any significant problem this year (cant remember)?

[mousti]

Isn't the conclusion that the WRC still get evolutions and the S2000 barely non because R5 comes now..?

[A FONDO]

How popular sport rally is in Finland:

http://distilleryimage7.s3.amazonaws.com/0eee091efb4711e2949722000a1f90e1_7.jpg

p.s.
https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/q74/s720x720/999075_478780922215824_296402280_n.jpg

[Mirek]

Isn't the conclusion that the WRC still get evolutions and the S2000 barely non because R5 comes now..?

I know from Fred Miclotte that Fabia they drove this year in Ypres was significantly better than the one from 2011. Reasonably stronger engine, completely different dampers etc. But that goes to works car. These upgrades (I think especially the engine is 2013 evolution) may not be present in car of Lappi or Paddon. I have no idea about that.

[mousti]

Evgeny Novikov EPIC crash at WRC Rally Finland 2013 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMGTWegXPIM)

[Mintexmemory]

Looks like Seb O just lit the afterburners