[WRC] Rally Finland 2013

[skarderud]

lappi finally find the trottle? :)

[skarderud]

and even more trouble for brynhildsen? he has done really good in norwegian championship this year, really hoped he will bring that with him to here. but the R5 is too new?

[andyone]

Again no mentioning Sordo.Seems is finished at Citroen

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x12kphs_citroen-wrc-2013-rallye-de-finlande-jour-1_auto
he said if he don win this year. he will stop rallying. maybe he is expecting to do so on tarmak.

[Toyoda]

lappi finally find the trottle? :)
Im keen to see Paddons response, can he pick it up...i think maybe not...but hope so...

[HarriK]

lappi finally find the trottle? :)
Talked with them at service and they push now

[[WRCRR]]

What a joke that Rally Radio has mentioned NOTHING about Lukyanuk's amazing drive...beating WRC2 cars left and right stage after stage!

[makinen_fan]

]What a joke that Rally Radio has mentioned NOTHING about Lukyanuk's amazing drive...beating WRC2 cars left and right stage after stage!
They have not make it a huge thing, but they certainly said something about his performance in last SS

[kober]

I only wish their music choice was better ;)

[jonkka]

I only wish their music choice was better ;)

Yeh, more humppa please.

[Miika]

Already too much humppa for Evgeny:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BQqq2CNCQAApVOB.jpg

[jonkka]

At least he's dancing humppa with a woman, others are all gay...

[Allyc85]

Looks like Meeke might get his lost time back :)

WRC Rally Finland officials investigating Meeke/Novikov incident - WRC news - AUTOSPORT.com (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/109142)

[Josti]

Oh Mikko..

[EightGear]

Ogier is slowly taking control...

[Mintexmemory]

Looks like Meeke might get his lost time back :)

WRC Rally Finland officials investigating Meeke/Novikov incident - WRC news - AUTOSPORT.com (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/109142)

That'llput him right with Mikko! Something I was told (and you know who you are ) Could not happen in Finland! :| :|

[Miika]

Lappi possibly out.

[Hartusvuori]

Lappi retires.

[thuGG]

Nice stage time for Robert, only 0.4 behind Ketomaa. But of course Jari is probably in cruising mode.

[kober]

Lappi retires.Accident or mechanical?

[Hartusvuori]

Rear suspension damage for Lappi.

Ketomaa had problems with intercom.

[HarriK]

Rear suspension damage for Lappi.

Ketomaa had problems with intercom.
Rear hub brokesin jump landing

[mousti]

After that Hirvonen lost some time on previous stage, it's now Neuville who loses time. But still nice third.

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[jonas_mcrae]

SS14 is on, go Mads and Thierry!! I dont know why but when it comes to Finland, my heart is with Ford...

[stefanvv]

Mikkelsen is next fallen, rear wheel off

[HarriK]

Nieminen full speed crash https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/q74/s720x720/999845_10151777829244311_1697673713_n.jpg

[skarderud]

what happened to mads? puncture?

[eib1]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/17750_10151769675350733_1206959386_n.jpg

[Kalm]

broken rim for Mads, seems like Ogier is clear now... :rolleyes:

[Raini]

what happened to mads? puncture?

Mads: Puncture - Unbelievable, I can change it.

[skarderud]

Mads: Puncture - Unbelievable, I can change it.

ouff, really bad. sad, sad. hopefully nothing bendt or broken, go for second.

[makinen_fan]

a big until climax to the rally. now Ogier can cruise to the end.

[Micke_VOC]

Kubica off...
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/q87/969098_10151766510373633_1749104808_n.jpg

[Eli]

when will the Finnish drivers take control of their own rally, when we will see them win? seems like Ogier is continuing Loeb's legacy, so now we have another 11 years before his stranglehold is over??? i mean if he continues in this form with no opposition, the WRC will die...

[userwave]

when will the Finnish drivers take control of their own rally, when we will see them win? seems like Ogier is continuing Loeb's legacy, so now we have another 11 years before his stranglehold is over??? i mean if he continues in this form with no opposition, the WRC will die...


It already is dieing

between people like Ken Block turning it into a joke,
on going timing issues,
manufacturers pulling out
and the same driver always dominating

it's hardly a professional series.

[RJM]

Kubica is seriously impressive, hes only driven on gravel a couple of times and hes getting close to ketomaa in finland! Happy for meeke, finally showing what he can do..

[Gregor-y]

At this rate there may not be a Finn on the podium. Has that ever happened at this rally?

[T.Maanteiden kuningas]

2003

[rp]

At this rate there may not be a Finn on the podium. Has that ever happened at this rally?

2003 and then Tommi Mäkinen was 6th...

[Eli]

It already is dieing

between people like Ken Block turning it into a joke,
on going timing issues,
manufacturers pulling out
and the same driver always dominating

it's hardly a professional series.
yes and in a few years, if things continue as they are the FIA will burry it, the WRC should take a good lesson from the ERC (formely known as IRC), the manufacturers,timing system, everything there.

[Kalm]

is it true that Tommi Mäkinen did 1.25.2 in Killeri yesterday :eek: ? Neuvilles stage winning time yesterday was 1.28.8...

[Andre Oliveira]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/944590_121574298013184_513767959_n.png

[rp]

is it true that Tommi Mäkinen did 1.25.2 in Killeri yesterday :eek: ? Neuvilles stage winning time yesterday was 1.28.8...

No, 1:30,6, but he would have 6th fastest...

Today his time was 1:25,2

[Kalm]

thanks for clarifying, very impressive times from The Champ !


Lukyanuk ending the day 12th overall with an N4... hope the car will keep up with the punishment

[jonas_mcrae]

Probably a silly question, but why are the ruts so deep this year? I remember some issues in a few stages in past years, but never this bad...

[bluuford]

Probably a silly question, but why are the ruts so deep this year? I remember some issues in a few stages in past years, but never this bad...

Lot of heavy rain tonight, and some more showers in recent weeks = very soft roads

[vkangas]

Kubica is seriously impressive, hes only driven on gravel a couple of times and hes getting close to ketomaa in finland!
Don't get me wrong... Kubica is putting up a great performance, but Ketomaa has long been in cruise mode.

[vkangas]

Lot of heavy rain tonight, and some more showers in recent weeks = very soft roads
Besides that for example Himos had this new road section that has not been used as normal road. It can take much less abuse than old roads.

[Jafry]

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2013/1177/1177_neste_oil_rally_finland_2013_96e6b4313c.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2013/1177/1177_neste_oil_rally_finland_2013_a850dc5ac6.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2013/1177/1177_neste_oil_rally_finland_2013_f1924b943c.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2013/1177/1177_neste_oil_rally_finland_2013_21f6b5848c.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2013/1177/1177_neste_oil_rally_finland_2013_22b96754f3.jpg

More photos from DAY2 HERE (http://www.rally-mania.cz/photogallery.php?id=1177)

[Juha_Koo]

Does anyone have idea who makes the heli shots for WRC this season? From my point of view, it's very impressive flying with minimum clearances... Espacially in Himos the chopper made phenominal flybys...

As for the rally, a very action-packed day. One day to go, lets see what happens.

[tfp]

No, 1:30,6, but he would have 6th fastest...

Today his time was 1:25,2

I look forward to the onboards appearing :)

[Hartusvuori]

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2013/1177/1177_neste_oil_rally_finland_2013_96e6b4313c.jpg

Big jump - check.
Bonnet up - check.
Another car chasing - check.
Helicopter - check.
A story behind - check.

If this isn't a new iconic rally image, then what is. Congrats Honza!

[RJM]

Stewards give meeke 24.7 back after novikov incident now less than 10 behind mikko

[A FONDO]

lol I didn't see it in the thumbnails. I can fairly say this is the photo of the season up to today :up:

[Rallying UK]

RALLY FINLAND: Here's a ThingLink of Day Two action from Rally Finland 2013 - have a look around!:
Rally Finland 2013: Day Two Wrap - ThingLink (http://bit.ly/14N6AIO)

[eib1]

43
almost :D




42.

7

J. LATVALA

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1:59:33.4

+22.0

+20:58.7

[stefanvv]

Big jump - check.
Bonnet up - check.
Another car chasing - check.
Helicopter - check.
A story behind - check.

If this isn't a new iconic rally image, then what is. Congrats Honza!

+ Wall of spectators - check

[noel157]

Stewards give meeke 24.7 back after novikov incident now less than 10 behind mikko

Justice. And makes things more interesting for the final leg.
And how dangerous was Novikov? Going at speed on NORF stages with little or no vision. He had problems turning right with the bonnet down.......... :(

[noel157]

Stewart's decision:

http://www.nesteoilrallyfinland.fi/attachements/2013-08-02T23-19-52253.pdf

[6789]

Seb Ogier with a massive jump today!

VW Polo R WRC - Seb Ogier - WRC Rally Finland 2013 -Palsankylä Jump! - YouTube (http://youtu.be/40sxT6IlW3w)

[Hartusvuori]

Start list Day 3: http://www.nesteoilrallyfinland.fi/attachements/2013-08-03T00-09-20253.pdf

[stefanvv]

http://www.volkswagen-motorsport.com/fileadmin/user_upload/Fans_Friends/1%20WRC/Rallye/Finnland/Berichterstattung/2013/20130802/Galerie_des_Tages/886x498_vw-20130802-3315.jpg
http://www.volkswagen-motorsport.com/fileadmin/user_upload/Fans_Friends/1%20WRC/Rallye/Finnland/Berichterstattung/2013/20130802/Galerie_des_Tages/886x498_vw-20130802-3319.jpg
http://www.volkswagen-motorsport.com/fileadmin/user_upload/Fans_Friends/1%20WRC/Rallye/Finnland/Berichterstattung/2013/20130802/Galerie_des_Tages/886x498px_vw-20130802-3152-max-VW-WRC-2013-08-DR3-0882.jpg
http://www.volkswagen-motorsport.com/fileadmin/user_upload/Fans_Friends/1%20WRC/Rallye/Finnland/Berichterstattung/2013/20130802/Galerie_des_Tages/886x498_vw-20130802-3272.jpg
http://www.volkswagen-motorsport.com/fileadmin/user_upload/Fans_Friends/1%20WRC/Rallye/Finnland/Berichterstattung/2013/20130802/Galerie_des_Tages/886x498px_vw-20130802-3133-max-VW-WRC-2013-08-BK1-1297-Kopie.jpg

[JoostSchouten]

Impression of the stages we visited today with only the spectacular Polo's WRC, what a great rally it is, so fast!!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_km2f2BbgM

[stefanvv]

So, Ogier pushed a little in the afternoon, without taking any big risks. Looks like this will be his most cautious win so far, isn't that just amazing

[tommeke_B]

well... it is a rally. you do not expect people to have the time to make sure they fix it properly. they could, or rather they are for sure able to make a better tool than the current ones...
So you don't expect the drivers to screw up the wheel nuts properly also? (As they don't have time to fix it properly...) You can make things safe indeed, and the jacks used in rallycars are quite safe as far as I know. But you can't make everything "idiot-proof". No offense to Meeke, stupid accidents can happen to everyone. Part of the game, no need to put the blame on someone else... :)

[tommeke_B]

Stewart's decision:

http://www.nesteoilrallyfinland.fi/attachements/2013-08-02T23-19-52253.pdf
So Meeke gets his time from SS12 for SS8 also. Of course something needed to be done, but isn't this solution somewhat unfair in a way? Pretty much all other drivers have a better time on SS12 than on SS8. Hadn't it been more fair to take just the part where he was behind Novikov, and then "delete" that time and "add" the time of that section he did on SS12?

[makinen_fan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiCo23elJgc&feature=em-uploademail
Contains onboard with Mikkos spin, he was very lucky indeed.

[noel157]

Meeke speaks about Novikov-gate, before steward's decision:

https://soundcloud.com/citroen-racing/rally-finland-2013-kris-1

[makinen_fan]

Stewards decision is weird. Meeke gets the same time as with SS12, although most of the drivers were at least 5s slower in SS8. A bit to his advantage in the end then.

[dimviii]

just opened my laptop at my summer village for 3 week vacations.
still impressive Meeke,Lukyanuk.
not impressive Hanninen,Latvala,Sordo,Hirvonen,Novikov(out of road even slow)
Ogier pushed more and took nice difference bit safe imho.



So, Ogier pushed a little in the afternoon, without taking any big risks. Looks like this will be his most cautious win so far, isn't that just amazing

no it isnt.Impresive will be if he will have 38 sec diff against Loeb at France at end of day2.
Being faster from Neuville at his 2nd time at Finland,Meeke with no drive,Ostberg at Finland,and Mikko who is slower than Neuville inside his home rally is NOT impressive.

[kirungi okwogera]

So, Ogier pushed a little in the afternoon, without taking any big risks. Looks like this will be his most cautious win so far, isn't that just amazing


What confuses me is, what is it about guys named Sebastien that gives them this magical ability never to hit rocks in the road! After watching this year I think Ogier may now have the magic touch that Loeb had. He just doesn't get any damage when everyone else is dropping like flies around him. Lots of drivers can be fast, even as fast as Ogier (as we saw in the first half of the SS's here - many different stage winners). But they always end up going off, or hitting rocks. Like Mads said today it's like a lottery - only, Loebgier seem to always win the lottery!

In my other random thoughts for this rally:

I think this Rally Finland is proving a few things - Mads and Thierry Neuville are very close to their first WRC wins (in Mads case, a non-technicality win). It just depends on how Loeb-like Ogier ends up being, and for how long. Meeke is still pretty fast, although I'm still not sure there aren't other guys like him without a WRC seat who are as quick or quicker. Also it's proving that Belgium and Estonia are the new Finlands, as in small countries that punch above their weight class in rallying.

Hirvonen looked like he had a chance but in a way it's a bit of a repeat of much of his time fighting Loeb - very, very close to the leader's times but not able to put together a string of stage wins to take it away.

In WRC2 I am also very impressed to see Paddon beating Lappi on his home turf. Is it the car? I don't know. I think Even and BRR would probably have very similar cars... both are quite prominent teams, aren't they? Paddon did "beat" him in NZ but the conditions were not at all comparable - home advantage, home-made ridiculously fast car, etc. I have high hopes for both of them, but I must say after what, 9 months away from S2000, Paddon is really, really good. That kind of lack of practice is very hard to overcome. Hyundai should be looking at this guy if they want to look ahead for future winners rather than using guys who've had years experience but not much potential for improvement. Like, Hanninen is fast and in a good, manufacturer car he will put in good performances, but I don't think we'd expect him to dominate Ogier or something, or get way way better than he is already. He is a known quantity.

Lastly Ketomaa had never been on my radar much but he's been so quick here. Does he just not do as well when outside Finland?

[tommeke_B]

For me Neuville is the revelation of the rally (and the season) so far. It's only his second WRC Finland/season, and already so fast and so consistent. I was one of the first to believe in his talent, following him since his first event, but this really exceeds all expectations I had a few years ago. I expected him to be in WRC some day, but I didn't expect him to fight for podium places now already. :) He had a lot of talent and car control from the start. But his real talent goes beyond turning a wheel and pushing the throttle. :)

[noel157]

If they do as they say, should be a good day tomorrow. None of them are likely to catch Ogier but hope they try:

"The two M-Sport drivers behind Ogier - Thierry Neuville and Mads Ostberg – have vowed to fight to the finish. They are currently just 0.9s apart in second and third.

The Belgian said: "I'm going to risk everything to keep this place."

Ostberg added: "I want the position he has and I will push to take it. I haven't had any moments today, which was good – but maybe that means I've been going too slowly. I won't tomorrow."

M-Sport team principal Malcolm Wilson confirmed the pair were free to fight.

"The instruction is to continue at the same pace as today – they are in different [M-Sport teams] so [the fight] is not a concern," he said."

WRC Finland: Sebastien Ogier feels poised for 'dream' win - WRC news - AUTOSPORT.com (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/109151)

[rallyfun]

Stewart's decision:

http://www.nesteoilrallyfinland.fi/attachements/2013-08-02T23-19-52253.pdf

I don't really get it. How can they calculate the time not knowing if he would finish this stage in the first place? Ok it wasn't Meek's fault and he possibly would make good time but there is a but. What if he was fighting for the win with Ogier and the difference was about 30s? I know that whatever is decided is not fair in that situation but this is not a solution at all.

[makinen_fan]

If they do as they say, should be a good day tomorrow. None of them are likely to catch Ogier but hope they try:

"The two M-Sport drivers behind Ogier - Thierry Neuville and Mads Ostberg – have vowed to fight to the finish. They are currently just 0.9s apart in second and third.

The Belgian said: "I'm going to risk everything to keep this place."

Ostberg added: "I want the position he has and I will push to take it. I haven't had any moments today, which was good – but maybe that means I've been going too slowly. I won't tomorrow."

M-Sport team principal Malcolm Wilson confirmed the pair were free to fight.

"The instruction is to continue at the same pace as today – they are in different [M-Sport teams] so [the fight] is not a concern," he said."

WRC Finland: Sebastien Ogier feels poised for 'dream' win - WRC news - AUTOSPORT.com (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/109151)

Mikko has a chance then to get a podium place

[Carlo]

Have just viewed Hayden Paddon's daily blog that he puts on facebook and in there is shows the onboard footage of him hitting the rock that damaged his suspension and steering. The rock is in the middle of the road right on the racing line and there is a person standing on the roadside adjacent to it. It does make you wonder......

[ThomasS]

Paddon hits a rock in the racing line and damages his suspension.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10151811049489882&set=vb.184390891596708&type=2&theater

https://www.facebook.com/notes/hayden-paddon/paddon-moves-into-third-in-wrc2-at-rally-finland/553139144721879

It was incumbent on the idiot standing at that corner to remove the rock from the racing line... I'm sorry it is , its question of safety surely.
Very disappointing for Hayden , he was putting in some good times and was in touch of Kubica. He is clearly faster than Lappi and the other R5 cars.

[dimviii]

link please Carlo.

[kirungi okwogera]

Have just viewed Hayden Paddon's daily blog that he puts on facebook and in there is shows the onboard footage of him hitting the rock that damaged his suspension and steering. The rock is in the middle of the road right on the racing line and there is a person standing on the roadside adjacent to it. It does make you wonder......

Well either way, if it was placed there maliciously or drawn there naturally, I hope people view Paddon's drive here in context. A rock in the road is not the same as "hitting a rock" the way Solberg used to do. He didn't go off or take some massive cut and cause damage, it was a rock in the middle of the driving line, and he was fighting for a podium with some very good and well-supported (in Kubica's case) opponents.

[tommeke_B]

@Dimviii: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10151811049489882 Imo it's just a rock that got pulled out of the road from a previous car, happens so often... No conspirancy theories needed. :)

[kirungi okwogera]

Paddon hits a rock in the racing line and damages his suspension.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10151811049489882&set=vb.184390891596708&type=2&theater

It was incumbent on the idiot standing at that corner to remove the rock from the racing line... I'm sorry it is , its question of safety surely.
Very disappointing for Hayden , he was putting in some good times and was in touch of Kubica. He is clearly faster than Lappi and the other R5 cars.

So are the S2000 guys like Lappi and Paddon fighting more powerful machines of Ketomaa (R5) and Kubica (RRC)? I am still unclear on whether R5 is faster than S2000. And RRC is meant to be faster than both right? Maybe Mirek can tell us?

I thought RRC was very close to WRC, just a few parts different. If that's the case it makes Paddon and Lappi even more impressive than I thought!

[stefanvv]

no it isnt.Impresive will be if he will have 38 sec diff against Loeb at France at end of day2.
Being faster from Neuville at his 2nd time at Finland,Meeke with no drive,Ostberg at Finland,and Mikko who is slower than Neuville inside his home rally is NOT impressive.

Well, I meant only that NORF usually is Nordic drivers home ground. But if you want to involve Loeb, here is NORF 2012 final result - World Rally Championship - Results - Neste Oil Rally Finland (http://www.wrc.com/results/2012/neste-oil-rally-finland/final-results/)

[Rallying UK]

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[tommeke_B]

http://static.blogs.sudinfo.be/media/114/613717580.jpg Not sure if already posted or not. Tyre of Neuville after SS13.

[danon]

Unique set of circumstances in a combination with professional and rally hunting skills the result is...
The "Grasp the Moment" winner is... Honza-a-a Frone-e-e-e-e-e-k...!!!

There is no such thing as an accidental coincidence!

P.S. 2013 Best Photo Nominee

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2013/1177/1177_neste_oil_rally_finland_2013_96e6b4313c.jpg

[stefanvv]

What confuses me is, what is it about guys named Sebastien that gives them this magical ability never to hit rocks in the road! After watching this year I think Ogier may now have the magic touch that Loeb had. He just doesn't get any damage when everyone else is dropping like flies around him. Lots of drivers can be fast, even as fast as Ogier (as we saw in the first half of the SS's here - many different stage winners). But they always end up going off, or hitting rocks. Like Mads said today it's like a lottery - only, Loebgier seem to always win the lottery!

Well Ogier did hit a rock today, but he was lucky, like true Sebastien :D

[stefanvv]

I don't really get it. How can they calculate the time not knowing if he would finish this stage in the first place? Ok it wasn't Meek's fault and he possibly would make good time but there is a but. What if he was fighting for the win with Ogier and the difference was about 30s? I know that whatever is decided is not fair in that situation but this is not a solution at all.

From the footage seemed like Meeke had a few chances to overtake Novikov, but looked like he waited him to stop explicitly

[Carlo]

@Dimviii: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10151811049489882 Imo it's just a rock that got pulled out of the road from a previous car, happens so often... No conspirancy theories needed. :)

If that was the case then the person standing roadside has had approximately one minute to take a few steps forward and remove it as by its location it would have had to come from the passage of the previous car.

[ThomasS]

@Dimviii: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10151811049489882 Imo it's just a rock that got pulled out of the road from a previous car, happens so often... No conspirancy theories needed. :)


I didn't say he planted it there, but he could have walked across and pushed it off the bloody road instead of standing there like gormless retard.

[dimviii]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=XKzUBfZYdfw

[tommeke_B]

I didn't say he planted it there, but he could have walked across and pushed it off the bloody road instead of standing there like gormless retard.
For sure he could do that, and I would do it in this situation, for sure... But in some way you can't blame him for it happening (although I don't agree with letting it there, but who knows the man had not noticed it, by watching the car until it's gone and then watch where the cars come from again you can overlook it, especially when right next to you). For the reason: if there would not be anyone in the corner, it would have happened too. Rocks are thrown out everywhere all the time, it's just a matter of luck. There are many corners with no people to put rocks away, it's a matter of luck. And for sure the farther in the field, the more chance you have this (especially in the 2nd run of a stage)... By the way, from the looks of the video I think it is a marshall. ;)

[tfp]

Citroën WRC 2013 - Rallye de Finlande - Jour 2 - Vidéo Dailymotion (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x12m4hb_citroen-wrc-2013-rallye-de-finlande-jour-2_auto?search_algo=2)

im sure most rally fans will have seen this by now but for those who haven't....

I wonder who in citroen makes these videos? Maybe they should be the wrc promoter!

[stefanvv]

For sure he could do that, and I would do it in this situation, for sure... But in some way you can't blame him for it happening (although I don't agree with letting it there, but who knows the man had not noticed it, by watching the car until it's gone and then watch where the cars come from again you can overlook it, especially when right next to you). For the reason: if there would not be anyone in the corner, it would have happened too. Rocks are thrown out everywhere all the time, it's just a matter of luck. There are many corners with no people to put rocks away, it's a matter of luck. And for sure the farther in the field, the more chance you have this (especially in the 2nd run of a stage)... By the way, from the looks of the video I think it is a marshall. ;)

I noticed that too. And we know how safe are marshals

[dimviii]

http://1.1.1.2/www.ewrc.cz/images/2013/photos/neste_oil_rally_finland_2013/msc_nq3p4191%20copy.jpghttp://1.1.1.4/www.ewrc.cz/images/2013/photos/neste_oil_rally_finland_2013/msc_nq3p3756%20copy.jpghttp://1.1.1.2/www.ewrc.cz/images/2013/photos/neste_oil_rally_finland_2013/msc_nq3p3786%20copy.jpg

eWRC.cz - Fotogalerie Neste Oil Rally Finland 2013 Martijn Schouten (http://www.ewrc.cz/ewrc/fotogalery.php?events=6538&fotograf=245)

[tommeke_B]

I noticed that too. And we know how safe are marshals
We should not generalize too much. Without no marshalls no rallying, and most of them are just rally-enthusiasts too. ;) Of course on the scale of a WRC event, you need more people than "the natural resources" supply. Also in Germany this has been a problem, I often seen marshalls who had no idea of what they were doing... Still better a bad marshall than no marshall (and no rally). ;)

[RallyNZ]

So are the S2000 guys like Lappi and Paddon fighting more powerful machines of Ketomaa (R5) and Kubica (RRC)? I am still unclear on whether R5 is faster than S2000. And RRC is meant to be faster than both right? Maybe Mirek can tell us?

I thought RRC was very close to WRC, just a few parts different. If that's the case it makes Paddon and Lappi even more impressive than I thought!

I think the big difference with the S2000 cars is they do not have the top speed. About 20kmh slower than any of the turbo cars.

[ThomasS]

We should not generalize too much. Without no marshalls no rallying, and most of them are just rally-enthusiasts too. ;) Of course on the scale of a WRC event, you need more people than "the natural resources" supply. Also in Germany this has been a problem, I often seen marshalls who had no idea of what they were doing... Still better a bad marshall than no marshall (and no rally). ;)

So he's either retarded , a ****wit , or drunk like most finnish rally potatoes are at this time of the year...

Honestly it sticks out like dogs balls.

Spectators have a part to play in being sportsman like.

Its childish behavior how ever you look at it.

[tommeke_B]

I think the big difference with the S2000 cars is they do not have the top speed. About 20kmh slower than any of the turbo cars.

Can you give any actual numbers from RRC and R5 then? Fabia S2000 should have top speed of 184 kph. I don't know about RRC (I only know Mini has a longer gearbox than Fiesta), but for R5 I can not believe the top speed is 20kph higher than that. From what I've seen in Ypres (Mirek can confirm), it is (thanks to the 5-speed box) not higher than 190 kph I think. Also the cars don't get to the top speed crazy much in Finland, it's just fast everywhere, but I don't remember any rpm-limiter moments. :)

[tommeke_B]

So he's either retarded , a ****wit , or drunk like most finnish rally potatoes are at this time of the year...

Honestly it sticks out like dogs balls.

Spectators have a part to play in being sportsman like.

Its childish behavior how ever you look at it.
He is still not as childish as the vocabulary used in your posts.

[danon]

http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/714/wp99.jpg

[RallyNZ]

If they are geared similar then the 10% extra power, and over twice the width of usable power band, is a big advantage in an R5.

[ThomasS]

He is still not as childish as the vocabulary used in your posts.


Sorry, I meant to say he's a ****tard.

I'm sure you would be proud of yourself if Hayden had rolled as a result of hitting that rock in 5th gear . The crew could have been seriously hurt. In Canada you'd be up for criminal neglect.

Its astonishingly bad.

[Toyoda]

Sorry, I meant to say he's a ****tard.

I'm sure you would be proud of yourself if Hayden had rolled as a result of hitting that rock in 5th gear . The crew could have been seriously hurt. In Canada you'd be up for criminal neglect.

Its astonishingly bad.

Super gutted for Paddon, He was on a flyer on that stage, well up in the splits on Kubica to!! Positive is it didn't end his rally, only his fight... Negative is that it could well cost him a chance in the Hyundai shoot out. With so many talented drivers these days, these kind of things can cost a driver a his career...especially for some one with no budget...with few sponsorship opportunities due to living in a country so far away.

[ThomasS]

He is still not as childish as the vocabulary used in your posts.


Actually what I really meant to say is you're totally diminishing the importance of this with your ridiculous concerns over the decorum of the forum.

That screen grab is pretty damming. I can accept that in an area where there are no people you have to take your chances with rocks etc but the sport is dangerous enough without people acting like jerk offs. I mean how big does an object have to be before you A. warn the driver or B remove the object.

[eestlane]

Paddon,mikkelsen,kruuda,pärn,pajunen and östberg all hit the same rock

[ThomasS]

So why didn't that idiot pick it up and move it then !!!

[Mintexmemory]

We can't get inside the mind of someone watching successive cars hit a rock and continuing just to watch. Spectators aren't marshalls and have no brief on removing naturally occurring hazards from the course. Indeed in some countries (Spain comes to mind) the marshalls agresssively react to spectators being on the course, regardless of the motivation. Now can we just keep the debate civilised or as an informed spectator with the ability to act I shall start removing unwanted items from this thread ;)
On a different topic - If my analysis of Meeke's brief from Matton is correct, don't expect any team orders to stay behind Mikko, this is all about desire and fight. Dani has already failed the test

[Gregor-y]

As much as I like Meeke and want him to do well to prove he deserves a drive I'm still kind of uneasy about giving drivers time back when bad luck strikes. As unfair as it is his situation was not uncommon.

Okay, time to turn rally radio on as I turn in for the night.

[jonkka]

I'm still kind of uneasy about giving drivers time back when bad luck strikes.

Giving time back to Meeke did not change any positions and likely will have small, if any, effect on overall competitive driving. So time reimbursement is only fair gesture with no sporting consequences

[Mintexmemory]

As much as I like Meeke and want him to do well to prove he deserves a drive I'm still kind of uneasy about giving drivers time back when bad luck strikes. As unfair as it is his situation was not uncommon.

Okay, time to turn rally radio on as I turn in for the night.

Actually punitive action against Novikov would have been more understandable, clearly the CoC didn't want to disqualify him but showing nothing is gained by holding up a faster competitor does send a message. In the UK pulling over when you are mobile damaged is the norm and considered essential sporting behaviour, perhaps 'Anuvveroff' never absorbed such a cultural approach to rallying

[jonkka]

So why didn't that idiot pick it up and move it then !!!

He had no obligation whatsoever to do so.

[wwbroe]

First cars are coming trough the first stage of the day, Hanninen restarted today after his off of yesterday.

[wwbroe]

Sordo's splits are quite dramatic, he never came into the right rythm during this rally.

[jonkka]

Sordo's splits are quite dramatic, he never came into the right rythm during this rally.

Yes, it's interesting to see if his fortunes will reverse for next rally. If not, Citroen will be in big trouble.

[Mintexmemory]

Yes, it's interesting to see if his fortunes will reverse for next rally. If not, Citroen will be in big trouble.

They are already in big trouble!

[jonkka]

They are in trouble, yes, but it's still theoretically reversible. If Sordo can't beat VW on tarmac, it'll be all over.

[wwbroe]

Ostberg taking second overall from Neuville, who went straight on first junction of the stage. Meeke made a spin on last junction.

[A.F.F.]

Didn't Sordo say at the start of this season that if he will not have at least one win with Citroën, he'll quit rallying?

[ThomasS]

Except a moral one, how would he feel if a competitor hit the stone and had crash that hurt the crew ?
If a car was stuck in the middle of the road you would do your best to warn the oncoming car would you not?
As I said how big an object does it need to be ?

[ThomasS]

He had no obligation whatsoever to do so.

Except a moral one, how would he feel if a competitor hit the stone and had crash that hurt the crew ?
If a car was stuck in the middle of the road you would do your best to warn the oncoming car would you not?
As I said how big an object does it need to be ?

[A.F.F.]

Maybe he is in belief that you stole hos girlfriend and just wants to piss you off?

[wwbroe]

Didn't Sordo say at the start of this season that if he will not have at least one win with Citroën, he'll quit rallying?

Then i suppose he will quit soon, unless he can make some great asfalt rally's in the coming weeks. But he didn't impress me this year at all.

[A.F.F.]

@ Thomas, Why don't you tell us how would he feel? It shouldn't be so hard since you know the guy enough to tell the world he is an idiot :dozey:

[jonkka]

Except a moral one, how would he feel if a competitor hit the stone and had crash that hurt the crew ?

Crew knows the risk and they accept it, so nobody else doesn't need feel any worse for accidents. For some reason you have boiling kettle on the stove, have you had personal bad experience related to (rally) accident?

[satukata]

What you think about Nikaras speed? :)

[jonkka]

Reminds me of mr Rantanen. But has he been heard of late?

[ThomasS]

@ Thomas, Why don't you tell us how would he feel? It shouldn't be so hard since you know the guy enough to tell the world he is an idiot :dozey:

I would have thought that was self evident dude , nothing.
Not much going on between those ears. Either that or he's pissed . NORF is after all Finlands equivalent of the Kentucky derby... ;) ( see I put a smiley face to make it alright)

[jonkka]

Mintex... time to exercise your powers, eh?

[stefanvv]

I would have thought that was self evident dude , nothing.
Not much going on between those ears. Either that or he's pissed . NORF is after all Finlands equivalent of the Kentucky derby... ;) ( see I put a smiley face to make it alright)

Would you feel better if he (or someone else) was killed trying do what you want

[Mirek]

It already is dieing

between people like Ken Block turning it into a joke,
on going timing issues,
manufacturers pulling out
and the same driver always dominating

it's hardly a professional series.

Can You elaborate? Since 2009 onwards we had 2 manufacturers. In 2011 we had 3. In 2012 again only 2. Now we have 3, since 2014 we will have 4 and in 2015 maybe 5.

[ThomasS]

Would you feel better if he (or someone else) was killed trying do what you want

What ?

[stefanvv]

What?

[Mintexmemory]

Done, we don't want this to turn into the. F1 forum! Don't like censorship but the exchanges were becoming pointless and not to the usual standard of politeness. (Which makes me sound like the boring old. Fart that I am!)

[T.Maanteiden kuningas]

This is rally!

Sometimes there is raining, sometimes there is slow car in front of you, sometimes there is rock, spectator, cow, alien or other object to destroying car. So what?! Keep going....

[satukata]

Biggest surprise for me in Rally Finland

No 1. Kris Meeke. First rally for long time and speed even near Mikkos speed
No 2. Jarkko Nikara Faster than sordo and novikov with Mini. great talent
No 3. A Lukyanyk after 2 days 12st with grN!!! Mitsubishi evoX

[Carlo]

If I had the opportunity to talk with Hayden tonight my comments would be to respect Robert but now is the time to give him a taste of Kiwi.

[BDA Cosworth]

In WRC2 I am also very impressed to see Paddon beating Lappi on his home turf. Is it the car? I don't know. I think Even and BRR would probably have very similar cars... both are quite prominent teams, aren't they? Paddon did "beat" him in NZ but the conditions were not at all comparable - home advantage, home-made ridiculously fast car, etc. I have high hopes for both of them, but I must say after what, 9 months away from S2000, Paddon is really, really good. That kind of lack of practice is very hard to overcome. Hyundai should be looking at this guy if they want to look ahead for future winners rather than using guys who've had years experience but not much potential for improvement. Like, Hanninen is fast and in a good, manufacturer car he will put in good performances, but I don't think we'd expect him to dominate Ogier or something, or get way way better than he is already. He is a known quantity.

Lastly Ketomaa had never been on my radar much but he's been so quick here. Does he just not do as well when outside Finland?

I remember Thierry Neuville commenting that the Feista R5 was faster then the current S2000 cars at Ypres.

I drive a 2.4L Lancer Wagon that has 165hp and 220nm of torque. If I was to slot in a Feistas 1.6L Turbo into the same body I'd have a lighter motor and produce more torque with more power. Wouldn't it only be logical that a R5 car should in theory be easily quicker then a NA? Just curious on peoples opinion.

In regards to Paddon, I'm a big fan of his, but I think in this rally and with this new formula it's harder then ever to diagnose who is actually the quickest! Ketomaa is consistently 0.8ish secs a k faster then Paddon. But in completely different cars. Would Paddon be equal for speed if he were in the same car? I think he would. And once you take into account that Ketomaa is on home soil, it really does goes to show how fast Hayden is.

[ThomasS]

Done, we don't want this to turn into the. F1 forum! Don't like censorship but the exchanges were becoming pointless and not to the usual standard of politeness. (Which makes me sound like the boring old. Fart that I am!)

Tell that to Jackie Stewart ! Let sleeping dogs lie eh ;)

[jonkka]

Can You elaborate? Since 2009 onwards we had 2 manufacturers. In 2011 we had 3. In 2012 again only 2. Now we have 3, since 2014 we will have 4 and in 2015 maybe 5.

I think that with Citroen's current level of performance and company's financial difficulties their continued involvement with WRC is under constant threat. Hyundai will enter but if they won't perform, will they stay? Ford is here for the time being and perform as long as their current homologation lasts, which won't be long.

Having said that, WRC survived previous low-point in 1995-1996 with just Mitsu, Subaru and Ford.

[Mintexmemory]

This is rally!

Sometimes there is raining, sometimes there is slow car in front of you, sometimes there is rock, spectator, cow, alien or other object to destroying car. So what?! Keep going....

Oi! Someone always wants the last word don't make me go into Strict Dad mode!

[T.Maanteiden kuningas]

Roger.

[tfp]

What you think about Nikaras speed? :)

Very impressive! But will it translate to other rally's? This is his home event after all.

personally, I'd say give him the chance.

[Mirek]

I think that with Citroen's current level of performance and company's financial difficulties their continued involvement with WRC is under constant threat. Hyundai will enter but if they won't perform, will they stay? Ford is here for the time being and perform as long as their current homologation lasts, which won't be long.

Having said that, WRC survived previous low-point in 1995-1996 with just Mitsu, Subaru and Ford.

That's not the point. There are always better and worse competitors but that doesn't change their number. If somebody says that manufacturers are leaving while their number is actually growing than he is simply wrong by any means of logic. I don't try to say that WRC situation is somehow great but we shall be fair.

[jonkka]

There are always better and worse competitors but that doesn't change their number.

That is correct, but those not performing well are more likely to leave. And moreover, one dominant make diminishes interest across the board.


If somebody says that manufacturers are leaving while their number is actually growing than he is simply wrong by any means of logic.

Number of manufacturers growing isn't a fact until next year's Monte Carlo. No manufacturer has yet paid 2014 participation fees and are free to leave at moment's notice (or cancelling/postponing their entry). Call me pessimist, but I believe things only when I see them happening. Corporate press releases of future commitments have no value whatsoever.

[jonkka]

And sorry for off-topic comment but since this thread isn't too lively I think it's somewhat ok.

[stefanvv]

Will the record be broken this year?

[Mintexmemory]

Nah!

[SubaruNorway]

Will the record be broken this year?

Petter has the record really not Mikko since the stage was 250m shorter when Mikko got that time of 15:17.3 Petter had 15:18.5

[tommeke_B]

Thierry already 4s faster than Mads, only at 1/3 of the stage.

[stefanvv]

Petter has the record really not Mikko since the stage was 250m shorter when Mikko got that time of 15:17.3 Petter had 15:18.5

His record will stay in history forever ;) . But Hirvonen's still might be beaten

[spiderem]

neuville faster than mikko on Ouninpohja, it looks like we are assisting in a transition between the old and new generation of driver...

[A.F.F.]

I had a nap. Was I cencored? :)

[Mintexmemory]

I had a nap. Was I cencored? :)
Hopefully you didn't feel a thing despite the fact that I didn't use anaesthetic!

[dupanton]

Only one comment on this rally: Go Go Go Thierry :p

[Mintexmemory]

Meanwhile I believe (short of a disruptive injury) that the latest stage win has WDC written all over it. Looks like my hope that the championship is decided before France is going to be realised. Seb v Seb no holds barred, can't wait :)

[A.F.F.]

Jeez! No offence but I'm glad you weren't around when things got heated with N.O.T. and I. I would have been so banned. :D

[wwbroe]

So, Thierry back up to second place, great pace again on legendary stage.

[wwbroe]

Jeez! No offence but I'm glad you weren't around when things got heated with N.O.T. and I. I would have been so banned. :D

Pitty NOT is no longer around, i kind of miss his great comments :D

[Mintexmemory]

Jeez! No offence but I'm glad you weren't around when things got heated with N.O.T. and I. I would have been so banned. :D

No actually I'd have been piling in (I did!!) Everyone knew the ground rules for arguments with NOT - he got his ban for going from. Zero to Excessive in 2.7 seconds from a standing start ;)

[RallyNZ]

Not this time round.....but wait,there's more...

[skarderud]

Only one comment on this rally: Go Go Go Thierry :p

no, the only comment is: GO, GO, GO MADS!!!! :)

[RallyNZ]

Lappi trying a bit too hard to prove he can beat Paddon!

[tommeke_B]

no, the only comment is: GO, GO, GO MADS!!!! :)
In Sweden (actually a stage in Norway) I heard one comment that may well fit for both in a few stages. :)

"Krasje"

In Dutch it means "a little scratch". What does it mean in Norwegian? :D

[A.F.F.]

Anyways, time to turn TV on. Next stage is live footage :)

[Mintexmemory]

Hyundai should sell tickets to the shoot-out. Remember how quick Paddon was in the Pirelli Evo in Finland. Kris will already have next year's contract after today ;)

[Mirek]

Jaro Kinnunen set fastest 2WD time on Ouninpohja in his 208 R2 against all R3 cars. Respect!

[Mirek]

Hyundai should sell tickets to the shoot-out. Remember how quick Paddon was in the Pirelli Evo in Finland. Kris will already have next year's contract after today ;)

I was once in Austria spectating Pirelli Star Driver Shootout and it was extremely spectacular event where everybody was driving like mad!

[jonkka]

Anyways, time to turn TV on. Next stage is live footage :)

On MAX?

PS: N.O.T got banned? A lot has happened in my absence... :eek:

[SubaruNorway]

Anyways, time to turn TV on. Next stage is live footage :)
Any live feed for us? :) Found this when looking for Mikko's inboard of Ouninpohja last year.

"Although my friend Mikko Hirvonen had a very impressive run through the stage at 15min17.3seconds in August, the stage was 230 meters shorter upon it's complete return for 2012 as opposed to when I set my record of 15min18.5seconds in 2004. Since the times are then not comparable, the record holder is determined by average speed. Mikkos average: 129.52kph (80.47mph). My average: 130.28kph (80.95mph)!"
Mikko Hirvonen Onboard Ouninpohja Stage in the Citroen DS3 WRC - WRC Rally Finland 2012 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVk71lWj4Is)

[Mirek]

PS: N.O.T got banned? A lot has happened in my absence... :eek:

A long time a go he was... He is still here though but he's not posting anymore, only reading.

[skarderud]

In Sweden (actually a stage in Norway) I heard one comment that may well fit for both in a few stages. :)

"Krasje"

In Dutch it means "a little scratch". What does it mean in Norwegian? :D

hope we avoid "krasje" today, then one of them is missing from the ceremony tonight :)
crash is the english word!

[Mintexmemory]

On MAX?

PS: N.O.T got banned? A lot has happened in my absence... :eek:

He is occasionally back now but is mostly inactive (alive and well and living in Oxford). It happened before I became a mod

[tommeke_B]

For sure, better if both stay on the road and have a nice battle until the end of the rally. :)

Any guess what the fastest time will be for Ouninpohja 2? :D

[skarderud]

nice splits by mads!

[A.F.F.]

Wow!!!! What a shortcut Mads and Thierry found from last corner of the stage!!! Alen as commentator is mad because Finns didn't found it :D

[vkangas]

Wow!!!! What a shortcut Mads and Thierry found from last corner of the stage!!! Alen as commentator is mad because Finns didn't found it :D
And Alen was able to spot it before the stage started :)

[vkangas]

Aargh mtv3 commentators...

[SubaruNorway]

No luck finding a live stream and if i got this right even if you buy on MTV3 site you can only watch in Finland :/

Google Oversetter (http://translate.google.no/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=no&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mtv3total.fi%2Fmika-on-mtv3-total%2Foletko-mtv3-kanavapaketin-tilaaja%2F)

[Eli]

where can i find full highlights in english of day's 1 & 2 of Rally Finland???

[vkangas]

No luck finding a live stream and if i got this right even if you buy on MTV3 site you can only watch in Finland :/

Google Oversetter (http://translate.google.no/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=no&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mtv3total.fi%2Fmika-on-mtv3-total%2Foletko-mtv3-kanavapaketin-tilaaja%2F)
You are not missing much. Propably one of the worst live rally broadcasts ever seen. Would be worst if Markku Alen would not be there. The host (Timo Pulkkinen) is an F1 commentator and does not know anything about rally. For example Lukyanuk was presented like he is a gentleman tourist driver...

[stefanvv]

Any guess what the fastest time will be for Ouninpohja 2? :D

I don't dare :D

[makinen_fan]

A long time a go he was... He is still here though but he's not posting anymore, only reading.

Occasionally posting in his usual style :p Look at the Calendar thread, a few days ago

[satukata]

Very impressive! But will it translate to other rally's? This is his home event after all.

personally, I'd say give him the chance.

Nikara deservs more rally´s and with better wrc car.

[andyone]

This is how the legend of Finland dies. Not a Finnish guy on the podium. And few stage wins. And a possibility of any of the non Finnish to win. Huh

Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk 4 Beta

[janneppi]

The good thing is that the fastest guys are on top. Be they from France or where ever.

[satukata]

NesteOilRally Live (http://nesteoil.qbrick.com/)

this is one livetv from organisation. Hopefully works for you boys.

[Mintexmemory]

This is how the legend of Finland dies. Not a Finnish guy on the podium. And few stage wins. And a possibility of any of the non Finnish to win. Huh

Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk 4 Beta

Now they know how it feels to be British!

[SubaruNorway]

NesteOilRally Live (http://nesteoil.qbrick.com/)

this is one livetv from organisation. Hopefully works for you boys.

It only showed the results from the stage last time it was on unfortunately.

[A.F.F.]

Thierry Neuville @ Tommi Mäkinen Racing rally school 2012 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgIwWORD5rM)

That's all I'm saying :P

[mousti]

:D Neste Oil Rally Finland 2013 - Police stopping Novikov - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luag1FSlNOI)

[Frostmourne]

I think the highlights of the rally so far are Nikara he is driving Mini, a car that Prodrive nearly stopped developing it and showing that pace. I am sure the car has the potential if they continue developing it and at the hand of a talented driver we will see something incridible. Kris Meeke deserve a seat in a WRC team/manufacturer. Sordo, I never believed this guy has a potenial to win a rally, years of driving and nothing impressive. I wish either of Nikara or Meeke take his place at Citroen.

[SubaruNorway]

Apparently this channel is broadcasting, works on stream 1 for me and press allow on the p2p thing. Better than nothing :)

SPORT1 Live Stream | Sport1 Germany (http://www.stream2watch.me/live-tv/sport1-live-stream)

[mousti]

Martin Prokop ‏@ProkopOfficial (https://twitter.com/ProkopOfficial)25m (https://twitter.com/ProkopOfficial/status/363613918897258496)
End of nice @RallyFinland (https://twitter.com/RallyFinland) :-( I was enjoying the race so much but water pump faulire and overheated engine stopped me

https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/282830_496816553730824_917409775_n.jpg

[wwbroe]

Martin Prokop ‏@ProkopOfficial (https://twitter.com/ProkopOfficial)25m (https://twitter.com/ProkopOfficial/status/363613918897258496)
End of nice @RallyFinland (https://twitter.com/RallyFinland) :-( I was enjoying the race so much but water pump faulire and overheated engine stopped me

https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/282830_496816553730824_917409775_n.jpg




But picture is from Kruuda, not Prokop. :D

[jonkka]

Details... :D

[mousti]

But picture is from Kruuda, not Prokop. :D
I know, should have better put something above it that Kruuda parked his car in the forests :p

[Kalm]

front right shock absorber came through the bonnet of Kruudas car after landing a jump...

[wwbroe]

Neuville going very well on splits again.

[dupanton]

Neuville going very well on splits again.

0.8s faster, only 2s behind!

[Wasted Talent]

I remember Thierry Neuville commenting that the Feista R5 was faster then the current S2000 cars at Ypres.

I drive a 2.4L Lancer Wagon that has 165hp and 220nm of torque. If I was to slot in a Feistas 1.6L Turbo into the same body I'd have a lighter motor and produce more torque with more power. Wouldn't it only be logical that a R5 car should in theory be easily quicker then a NA? Just curious on peoples opinion.

In regards to Paddon, I'm a big fan of his, but I think in this rally and with this new formula it's harder then ever to diagnose who is actually the quickest! Ketomaa is consistently 0.8ish secs a k faster then Paddon. But in completely different cars. Would Paddon be equal for speed if he were in the same car? I think he would. And once you take into account that Ketomaa is on home soil, it really does goes to show how fast Hayden is.

Exactly - we don't really know speed differences between S2000, R5 and RRC. Kubica putting in a good drive, but how good I have no idea as no-one else has driven DS3 RRC in anger...

WT

[mousti]

Neuville faster with a puncture..

[wwbroe]

Neuville took it easy at end of stage, thinking he had a puncture :eek:

[vkangas]

Did anyone notice there is live GPS tracking for vetomies competition?
Vetomiehet (http://www.vetomiehet.fi/)
gpsseuranta.net - Nelivetomies- ja Vetomiesrallit, lauantai (http://www.tulospalvelu.fi/gps/20130803vetomies2/)

Just noticed it myself... not very well promoted.

[SubaruNorway]

Is Julian Porter just commentating the Power Stage now and then ITV 4 show it on tuesday? Guess he's commentating with Jon Desbourough

JWRC podium seem to be on here.
http://nesteoil.qbrick.com

[makinen_fan]

Is Julian Porter just commentating the Power Stage now and then ITV 4 show it on tuesday? Guess he's commentating with Jon Desbourough


Thats what he posted in twitter, but I think he is not involved with ITV4 coverage. Will the Power Stage shown live in NesteOilRally Live (http://nesteoil.qbrick.com/) ?

[EightGear]

JWRC podium seem to be on here.
NesteOilRally Live (http://nesteoil.qbrick.com)

Looooool, Andreas Amberg, fantastic. He's a real Finn, those short answers on the podium made the interviewer feel very uncomfortable. :D

[tommeke_B]

0,1s difference before Ouninpohja. Game on! :D

[wwbroe]

What a fight between those two FORD drivers. Hope none of the two will go off.

[EightGear]

The only little problem I have with Neuville is the fact he's not from the Dutch speaking part of Belgium, otherwise is would have been perfect. :D

[tommeke_B]

The only little problem I have with Neuville is the fact he's not from the Dutch speaking part of Belgium, otherwise is would have been perfect. :D

Actually he speaks a little Dutch (or at least he tries), besides French, English and German, 5 years ago he spoke German and that was it. ;)

[Mise]

Nikara repairing his Mini after ss 21. Not looking good

[tommeke_B]

Nikara repairing his Mini after ss 21. Not looking good

John Deere has no parts to offer him? Mini is a bit like the tractor of current WRC cars, you never know... :)

[A.F.F.]

Nikara's Mini is RWD now, no parts to repair :/

[Mintexmemory]

Nikara repairing his Mini after ss 21. Not looking good

Such a shame, but he has shown that he has the speed to be a podium level driver in a good car.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Great to see the Ford's on form at last and taking on and beating Citroen and all but Ogier.

Could be a better 2nd half of the season for them and some good battles for us. :)

[gravelman]

Any live feed??

[dimviii]

Nikara repairing his Mini after ss 21. Not looking good

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BQvt8BRCIAAO3u1.jpg:large

[Mise]

Nikara retires

[makinen_fan]

Nikara retires

Thats really sad end. His speed was phenomenal with that car

[dimviii]

Kubicas moment

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmIGi4sePm8

nice cut
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BQvXB37CYAEMLWS.jpg

http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/881285111.png

[dupanton]

Nikara retires

Oh Deere...

Really a pity!

[dimviii]

Mikkos onboard from Lankamaa 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=hhJEqlzRxdU#at=28

[tfp]

Oh Deere...

Really a pity!

:arrows: ;)

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BQvt8BRCIAAO3u1.jpg:large

big damage
https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/q72/s720x720/1013204_671649656197320_486898724_n.jpg

[dimviii]

lets see if will have any drama.At Ouninpohja 1 everybody told that he has to push more at second pass.

[dupanton]

Don't crash Thierry!! 4s faster after 2 split times...

[stefanvv]

Neuville is "Flying Belgian"

[Mise]

Meeke Off near the end of Ouninpohja.

EDIT car upside down, both drivers are okay

[dimviii]

At first pass Ogier won with 15,26,7
Latvala now 15,22.
Maybe time to have new record?Lets see!

[EightGear]

Well... That's not good. He was about to set a storming time on Ouninpohja.

[RAS007]

Meeke Off near the end of Ouninpohja.EDIT car upside down, both drivers are okay****e!!!

[dupanton]

Battle for P2 seems to be over, Ostberg lost time.

[stefanvv]

Hirvonen is beating his own record, which seem to be beaten twice more :D

[Mise]

Östberg has spun

[Bartek]

Ogier is flying, new record is coming

Respect for Thierry!!

[tfp]

Ogier is flying, new record is coming

Respect for Thierry!!

Hirvonen is not going for the record again?

[Allyc85]

Meeke Off near the end of Ouninpohja.

EDIT car upside down, both drivers are okay

Bugger :(

[Mirek]

Hirvonen is faster....

On last split Ogier is 4 seconds faster than Hirvonen.

[tfp]

On last split Ogier is 4 seconds faster than Hirvonen.

I read wrong sorry!

[stefanvv]

Ogieeeeeeer :D

[Bartek]

Hirvonen is not going for the record again?

Ok :) Ogier is a mad man!!! What a guy, maybe better version of Loeb

[dimviii]

At first pass Ogier won with 15,26,7
Latvala now 15,22.
Maybe time to have new record?Lets see!

Ogier is the new recordman of Ouninpohja.


Look at Lukyanuk splits.This guy is from space for sure.

[Wasted Talent]

Meeke Off near the end of Ouninpohja.

EDIT car upside down, both drivers are okay

Story of his WRC career, unfortunately

WT

[SubaruNorway]

Strange that no one else mentioned the rock Mads had to avoid...

[jonkka]

Strange that no one else mentioned the rock Mads had to avoid...

Bears stole it...

[EightGear]

Sordo is going to finish 5th. How on earth has that happened.

[dimviii]

Strange that no one else mentioned the rock Mads had to avoid...

which rock?

[dimviii]

:vader: Lukyanuk fu@34d

[denkimi]

Look at Lukyanuk splits.This guy is from space for sure.

he lost more then 4 minutes now.

[RS]

Shame about Meeke but still did a great job here, much faster than anyone thought, and hey he lasted longer than Latvala.

[tfp]

What is ogiers average speed?