[ERC] Rally Islas Canarias - El Corte Inglés

[kubiczech]

... for us non FaceTubers :-)

Kubica crash - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZ9RsNmG638)

[Kalm]

luckily the car went into the barrier with the rear wheel first, best possible way... , lucky boy indeed.

[WUff1]

Can someone post this vid please ?

Colin Clark ‏@voiceofrally (https://twitter.com/voiceofrally)7m (https://twitter.com/voiceofrally/status/315484678373113856) Oh my goodness me you're a lucky boy Robert! This is a bit scary - video of Kubica's crash!

http://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=498398843556584&id=100001594181122&_rdr … (http://t.co/tU8YHPmVnu)


Oh my god, this could have been very bad - what a luck!

[Ucci]

I feel very sorry for Robert, but in my heart I'm still reassurred because he has the speed! We have enough drivers who are reliable, but are way way slower then RK. If one driver is so much faster than Kopecky, than we have a natural winner. I deliberately didn't say that this is a winning combination, because you have to finish the race itself.
It is yust a small detail for Robert-when he stops pushing and is on a ''cruise mode'', he is in a great danger to make a mistake. All he needs is a calm discussion with the expert just before dealing with such a situation. It is just a thing in his head. With all the commitment he showed for this sport I'm not afraid that he will not successfully defeat this mental problem.
Back to the race: I will not discuss any more over general classification, because whoever wins, is still a loser....I'm must say that I'm very positive surprised over Bonnefis pace, finally Megan showed some potential. And finger crossed for our ''neighbour'' Aigner, very good weekend for him.

[Rasantes]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdEnJTlt2PQ

[PLuto]

I feel very sorry for Robert, but in my heart I'm still reassurred because he has the speed! We have enough drivers who are reliable, but are way way slower then RK. If one driver is so much faster than Kopecky, than we have a natural winner. I deliberately didn't say that this is a winning combination, because you have to finish the race itself.
It is yust a small detail for Robert-when he stops pushing and is on a ''cruise mode'', he is in a great danger to make a mistake. All he needs is a calm discussion with the expert just before dealing with such a situation. It is just a thing in his head. With all the commitment he showed for this sport I'm not afraid that he will not successfully defeat this mental problem.
Back to the race: I will not discuss any more over general classification, because whoever wins, is still a loser....I'm must say that I'm very positive surprised over Bonnefis pace, finally Megan showed some potential. And finger crossed for our ''neighbour'' Aigner, very good weekend for him.

Rally is not only about speed...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Breen finishes a good rally - great experience and decent speed, he can only get better..

Breen "It's perfect, to finish second is good for the championship and I know I sound like a broken record, but it's good for experience." :)

http://www.craigbreen.com/images/updates/craiglookinghappy.jpg

[Mirek]

In the end it's Jan and Pavel who can celebrate again. Third victory of four starts on Canarias for Jan and 4th of 4 for Škoda. This time it was a lucky win but hey, rally ends on the finish ramp. Roll on Acores!

[Ucci]

Rally is not only about speed...

And that is a statement I hear for the first time....Don't be too much smart after the battle.....it is easy to judge and deliver advices.
Robert will also end rallyes, that is 100% sure. He needs just one last piece of stone in the mosaic.

[stefanvv]

Congratulations for Kopecky and our Bulgarian female crew Stratieva/Boni for the wins! Kubica has great speed, I'm anxious to see what he can on gravel. Tarmac Rallies he can win easily with some experience.

[arko5]

Kubica will start in Fafe Rally Sprint :)

[denkimi]

Lottery in the way I explained - no time for correction. Predictable, yes, for sure. But when the car slips away no time for doing anything. That´s my point.
even in f1 they mostly can react fast enough to avoid an accident, so in rally there's plenty of time. you just have to know how to drive on asphalt en be good enough.

oval racing is al lottery, rally definitely not.

[*Werewolf*]

There are some words from the Kubica ;)

Kubica said: “It was a shame but unfortunately we were in a high-speed downhill section. It was a quite fast corner but easy flat out. It was not very heavy braking but quite big braking into a third-gear corner. Unfortunately when I hit the brakes I lost the rear of the car and I had to reduce the pressure otherwise I would spin and the road was very narrow. Then I just didn’t manage. I was completely sideways before the corner. Not completely but quite a lot of sideways. I tried to do the corner but I hit the barrier. I didn’t reduce enough speed but I hit the barrier with the rear-left corner. Then with the front we dived into the barrier. It’s a shame but unfortunately this can happen.”

He continued: “Yesterday was a very positive day for us with a lot of positive experience. Today is the complete opposite but we have to take a step forward and take out the experience. Unfortunately today was a negative experience but it’s part of driving.”

[stefanvv]

ERC CANARIAS different tyres for Kopecky and Kubica - Video Gallery - ERC European Rally Championship - Eurosport (http://www.fiaerc.com/videogallery/detail/id_event/3/id/73/t/ERC-CANARIAS-different-tyres-for-Kopecky-and-Kubica)

[stefanvv]

Kubica was just way too fast on that corner from what I see from video

[Kielder]

Robert Kubica awarded the Colin McRae Flat Out Trophy for this rally.

[Kielder]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/536420_447606461984050_77932995_n.jpg

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Well done Craig ! :cool:

http://yfrog.com/scaled/landing/739/1dunbi.jpg


Cant wait til he gets his hands on this ... :) http://www2.diariomotor.com/imagenes/2013/02/posts/Peugeot_208_t16_1.jpg (http://www.fiaerc.com/videogallery/detail/id_event/3/id/72/t/ERC-CANARIAS-long-shooting-for-Craig-Breen)

[Mirek]

Closer view to the crash of Kubica


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyJzH9pRakw

[Mirek]

A place from SS2 with big moments for Kopecký and Ancian


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3twFYPmI0gA

[Rallyper]

even in f1 they mostly can react fast enough to avoid an accident, so in rally there's plenty of time. you just have to know how to drive on asphalt en be good enough.

oval racing is al lottery, rally definitely not.

I never said rallying was a lottery except on tarmac when there´s not enough time to make corrections. Corrections always needed when you get into a corner too fast or surface suddenly changes. On gravel you could always make it up 9 times out of 10, but in tarmac even a good driver fails...

[tommeke_B]

I never said rallying was a lottery except on tarmac when there´s not enough time to make corrections. Corrections always needed when you get into a corner too fast or surface suddenly changes. On gravel you could always make it up 9 times out of 10, but in tarmac even a good driver fails...
On asphalt the margin of error is less than on snow or gravel indeed. So the driver has to adjust, and make sure he doesn't brake a bit too late or enter the corner a bit too fast like you can do on gravel. If asphalt rallying is a lottery, why are it always the same drivers who pick the right numbers? :)

[dimviii]

. If asphalt rallying is a lottery, why are it always the same drivers who pick the right numbers? :)

if you mean Loeb,i ve said plenty of times that he is lucky. :p

[Mirek]

... and moreover he has the best car ever made like the current results of Citroën clearly show :s mokin:

[dimviii]

... and moreover he has the best car ever made like the current results of Citroën clearly show :s mokin:

current results show that citroen tailored cars only for him. :D

[Kielder]

Kubica went off - Onboard (http://www.fiaerc.com/videogallery/detail/id_event/3/id/76/t/ERC-CANARIAS-Kubica-went-off)

[Kielder]

To me, this is the best video I've seen from this rally. That bump and the previous fast corner show the stuff the drivers are made of. Respect for Puskadi.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhFVNseVKpc

[Rasantes]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_HtgJKCwLg

[Rasantes]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=cRfCToskifo

[Kielder]

Robert showing to all those who are constantly asking about his right hand that it is enough to hold wheel:

http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2013/photos/rally_islas_canarias_el_corte_ingles_2013/plu__z8p7253.jpg

[thuGG]

Is it real? What's the context?

[Francis44]

I dont think that's the middle finger.

[Kielder]

I suppose he recognised Petr and waved him :) .

[rallye-vid]

Kubicas crash onboard: ERC CANARIAS Kubica went off - Video Gallery - ERC European Rally Championship - Eurosport (http://www.fiaerc.com/videogallery/detail/id_event/3/id/76/t/ERC-CANARIAS-Kubica-went-off)

[OldF]

When I watched yesterday the ERC Canaria the Finnish commentator Jakke Honkanen said that last year Jan Kopecký’s co-driver’s Pavel Dressler’s had problem with the pace reading the pace notes but that it’s much better now.

Does anybody have some comments on this?

When Jakke Honkanen started as a rally commentator he was terrible but is much better nowadays. Last time the commentator was Jussi Välimäki but the best I’ve been listen to is when they are both commentating.

[mousti]

Yep Jan complained last year about that the pace of the notes wasn't on par yet and so he had not full confidence on the stages.

[Mirek]

Last year it was one of their first events after Cyprus and Jänner (I think) but Canarias is more difficult for pacenotes in my opinion. Before they did a lot of development tests together but that's something different. Also Pavel had no experience from WRC or S2000 cars. Last year both in Jänner and Canarias there were moments when Jan asked for getting notes quicker (clear from onboards). Since than they did a lot of events and I think that they are a good team also in personal way ;)

[Juha_Koo]

Last year it was one of their first events after Cyprus and Jänner (I think) but Canarias is more difficult for pacenotes in my opinion. Before they did a lot of development tests together but that's something different. Also Pavel had no experience from WRC or S2000 cars. Last year both in Jänner and Canarias there were moments when Jan asked for getting notes quicker (clear from onboards). Since than they did a lot of events and I think that they are a good team also in personal way ;)

Also in COI there were problems...

I have to say Canarias seems to be really difficult with pacenotes. The roads are so fast "smooth twisty" so you have a lot of short distances and/or intos/continues and from time to time the rhytm is broken by a notably slower corner.

[Mirek]

By the way, only IRC and ERC results...

With Pavel Dresler 10 starts, 5 victories, that is 50% winning ratio!
With Petr Starý 32 starts, 5 victories, that is 16% winning ratio.

Of course it's not fully comparable but I think that it's going all well with Pavel ;)

[catty]

I wouldnt fancy trying to call notes to any of them!

I know the Carlton Kirby was talking about it yesterday and I have to agree - I love listening to Paul Nagle deliver notes. He has a completely different style to the normal english speaking navigators that you hear at that level.

[catty]

By the way, only IRC and ERC results...

With Pavel Dresler 10 starts, 5 victories, that is 50% winning ratio!
With Petr Starý 32 starts, 5 victories, that is 16% winning ratio.

Of course it's not fully comparable but I think that it's going all well with Pavel ;)
There was a much higher level of competition when Petr was in the car though

[Mirek]

There was a much higher level of competition when Petr was in the car though

That's not fully true. In 2010 and 2011 the competition was usually tough, that's true but quite a lot of those starts are also from 2009 and 2008 when IRC wasn't so strong, some events had really bad entry lists. I don't try to say it shall be taken as some really important statistics but at least it is interesting.

To have a clear view of main rivals in events with Pavel.

Cyprus 2012 - second behind Mikkelsen
Jänner 2012 - first ahead of Hänninen
Canarias 2012 - first ahead of Mikkelsen
Ireland 2012 - third behind Hänninen and Mikkelsen
Corsica 2012 - second behind Sordo
Targa Florio 2012 - first ahead of Mikkelsen
Barum 2012 - he was stopped by technical problem (being behind Hänninen but in front of Mikkelsen)
Sanremo 2102 second behind Basso
Jänner 2013 first ahead of Bouffier
Canarias 2013 first ahead of Breen

[Rasantes]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0M0VFpNpqM

[mousti]

Gareth Roberts had that style too. In the tribute video u see some examples of that.

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[Jarek Z]

So the best ever position for a Polish driver on Canary Islands was Holowczyc's 6th place in 1997. Can Kubica improve it 16 years later?

http://subaru.acn.waw.pl/holek/holek03.jpg

No, he can't :(

[Coach 2]

Was Kibica stunning, absolutely. Was I surprised and impressed, yes I was.
Considering a new car, new co-driver and a new course, this is/was impressive.

Although NOT would have said, this is LadyCup drivers, I would say that Kopecky is not "anyone".

When we talk about Kubica's exit, I actually think there is reason to assume that this had something to do with notes. And I do not mean that the codriver is to blame.

[thuGG]

Nah, it wasn't the notes nor the pilot. Kubica explained in detail what happened and admitted it was his mistake. I guess it's part of learning.

[Coach 2]

Nah, it wasn't the notes nor the pilot. Kubica explained in detail what happened and admitted it was his mistake. I guess it's part of learning.

Exactly, and learning also applies to what you add to the notes as brake, slow or neat before or into turns one can often lose grip in front or rear under braking.
Neat is something one uses into some turns where there is little or no room for error, or through a bend because there is no room for a contra slide into the next one (for some reason).

[Jerra]

Last year it was one of their first events after Cyprus and Jänner (I think) but Canarias is more difficult for pacenotes in my opinion. Before they did a lot of development tests together but that's something different. Also Pavel had no experience from WRC or S2000 cars. Last year both in Jänner and Canarias there were moments when Jan asked for getting notes quicker (clear from onboards). Since than they did a lot of events and I think that they are a good team also in personal way ;)

So, Jan said that last year after all his experiences he still struggling with pacenotes and new codriver, especially on this rally which is very demanding. Also, after watching all available onboards from crew Kubica – Baran my conclusion is that they don’t have those problems … On the moments looks more like GP Canaria …

[dimviii]

nice photo
https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/65280_10151525222197376_561803595_n.jpg

[Mirek]

So, Jan said that last year after all his experiences he still struggling with pacenotes and new codriver, especially on this rally which is very demanding. Also, after watching all available onboards from crew Kubica – Baran my conclusion is that they don’t have those problems … On the moments looks more like GP Canaria …

I don't remember Jan personally would ever say something like that.

[Jerra]

I don't remember Jan personally would ever say something like that.

That conclusion is from your previous post:
"Last year both in Jänner and Canarias there were moments when Jan asked for getting notes quicker (clear from onboards)."

I don't have any contact with Jan and don't understand Czech but belive that Canarias are very demanding rally, especially with new codriver and that is pretty normal, even for the drivers with huge rally experience

[Mirek]

That conclusion is from your previous post:
"Last year both in Jänner and Canarias there were moments when Jan asked for getting notes quicker (clear from onboards)."

I don't have any contact with Jan and don't understand Czech but belive that Canarias are very demanding rally, especially with new codriver and that is pretty normal, even for the drivers with huge rally experience

That my comment was a reaction to previous posts and was based on what I saw on onboards from that time. But that was nothing so special, just in some moments Jan asked for quicker delivery of notes. I believe all is sorted. I don't know Jan either but I do know Pavel and I think that they are happy with each other now.

[pucky54]

My gallery of Rally Islas Canarias El Corte Inglés 2013 is online!

http://www.autosport.cz/img/fotografie/d5f70e20686530ec454047390a63ce32.jpg

http://www.autosport.cz/img/fotografie/e06d41a1d4378a12e09e68e26056cc74.jpg

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More here: Autosport (http://www.autosport.cz/fotogalerie.php?souzav=74%7C1102&autor=104)

[WRC1]

my "Rally Islas Canarias" Pictures:

Album 1 « Galerie 38 « 2013 « rallyepics.at (http://www.rallyepics.at/wp/?page_id=102&album=1&gallery=38)

reg

daniel

[Mirek]

Photos of André Lavadinho: Autosport : ERC - Rally Islas Canarias (http://www.autosport.cz/zavody/fotogalerie.php?id=74&id=1102&autor=83)