[ERC] Rally Islas Canarias - El Corte Inglés

[Rasantes]

So the best ever position for a Polish driver on Canary Islands was Holowczyc's 6th place in 1997. Can Kubica improve it 16 years later?

http://subaru.acn.waw.pl/holek/holek03.jpg

Pure spectacle.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVU8J8LPyIU

[A FONDO]

By the way, do you like rally models? I was quite surprised to see that:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-5HDIc7CNHbU/Ttojoccr6OI/AAAAAAAAAbg/DJNFA-44dJ0/s1600/DSC_4033.JPG
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-4vQrBBWAUAc/T-R7aASwTBI/AAAAAAAAD5A/yG7KS4115VU/s1600/DSCN1001.JPG
Do you have other pics with the scenery?

[stefanvv]

Yes, I remember him in the Bulgarian round with the Impreza back then, always sliding on the throttle :)

[Jarek Z]

Yes, I remember him in the Bulgarian round with the Impreza back then, always sliding on the throttle :)

Yes, that must have been Holek, no mistake! :)

[Jarek Z]

Do you have other pics with the scenery?

Well, actually I'm even more shocked now after I had a closer look at the photos I realized that it is a slot car track! I used to have something like that when I was a kid, but of course without Holek's car and such great scenery. More photos can be found here:
DECOSLOT: TOYOTA CELICA GT4 "MOBIL" K.HOLOWCZYC 1996 (http://decoslot.blogspot.com/2011/12/toyota-celica-gt4-mobil-kholowczyc-1996.html)
COLECCION SLOT DarioRS: SUBARU IMPREZA WRX (SCX-DARIO RS) K.Holowczyc-M Wislawski; Rally El corte Ingles 1997 (2º) CAMPEON DE EUROPA (http://slotdrs.blogspot.com/2012/08/subaru-impreza-wrx-scx-dario-rs.html)

[Kielder]

First one was taken yesterday, in Tejeda. Second one, well, his smile says everything.

http://i50.tinypic.com/2vj7uxl.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/487412_10151360152977057_1469636469_n.jpg

[gravelman]

That's right my friends. Idiocracy spreads all over the world at a frightening rate.
I recommend you this excellent movie that will help you understand it:
Idiocracy (2006) - IMDb (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0387808/?ref_=sr_1)

Love that film, beginning to think I'm living in it now though

[Tom206wrc]

Unfortuneately I'll miss the live SS1-2-3 cause I'll be at work this morning ;(
But after that I follow te entire event :bounce:

[PLuto]

In Las Palmas is actually +19, still dark and quite windy. Very little drizzle is possible in the mountains in first loop.

[PLuto]

On SS 1 is quite wet, windy and small rain.

Tyres:

Kopecký - front 01, rear 20
Breen - all 20
Oliveira - all 20
Monzon - front PB 01, rear 20
Kubica - left 01, right 20
Ancian - all 20
Tlusťák - front 01, rear 20

[PLuto]

Results ON LINE are here - Rally Islas Canarias 2013 - Results - Rally-Base (http://rally-base.com/2013/rally-islas-canarias-2013)

First stage starts in few minutes...

[rally4life2]

kopecky is going to be the fastest!

[HarriK]

(2 - Breen Craig / Nagle Paul): was 1 min late in TC 0

Kubica seems to use "Citroen" tactics: left and right different tyres

[Dejan]

Pneumatiky:

Kopecký - front 01, rear 20
Breen - all 20
Oliveira - all 20
Monzon - front PB 01, rear 20
Kubica - left 01, right 20
Ancian - all 20
Tlusťák - front 01, rear 20

Could you tell me what kind of tires are 01 and 20?

[RS]

Could you tell me what kind of tires are 01 and 20?

01 medium slicks, 20 soft slicks.

[HarriK]

01 = Medium slicks
20 = soft

[arko5]

Kubica quickest :)

[eestlane]

Kubica: Cant hear you over the sound of me winning

[thuGG]

WOW, that's mighty impressive. I mean, 11 secs ahead in fairly new conditions for him?

[Dejan]

What a time of Kubica :D

[RS]

It's very good but the wet weather introduces many variables. I am looking forward to seeing dry times.

[arko5]

What a time of Kubica :D

08:40,4

[Mirek]

What a start for Robert! Also very good time for Andreas Aigner :)

[rally4life2]

oliveira is very slow, good time for both sainteloc peugeot rally academy driver

[Ucci]

OMG, this is a real surprise. Robert, I hope you will stay on the road!! Fingers crossed!

[rage82]

Nice to see Breen fast as Jan!
Kubica is icredibly fast, I don't know what to think!!!

[thuGG]

Kubica over 20s faster than others on SS2. I mean, WTF?

[had_zachau]

:eek:

[stefanvv]

Impressive Kubica, definitelly

[Jeppe]

Kubica over 20s faster than others on SS2. I mean, WTF?

He has done his homeworks ;) ;) Thumbs up!

[RS]

Now I'm impressed! Even if it dries up now the gap is probably too big already for the others!

[stefanvv]

(1 - Kopecký Jan / Dresler Pavel): The grip is very bad, we had a lot of understeer everywhere.

[Mirek]

Respect Robert! No more words are needed.

[Jerra]

What is going on, are they driving the same rally?

[wrc1600]

Kubica over 20s faster than others on SS2. I mean, WTF?

He is still learning and getting experience, first time in this car, first time in this rally,first time with this co-driver. All new world for him but time wise it shouldn't be a surprise, remember when he tested Fiesta WRC last year he was faster than Solberg and Latvala.

[thuGG]

He is still learning and getting experience, first time in this car, first time in this rally,first time with this co-driver. All new world for him but time wise it shouldn't be a surprise, remember when he tested Fiesta WRC last year he was faster than Solberg and Latvala.

Yes i know all that. But still, it's quite unbelievable. I expected him to be very fast, I hoped that he would be as fast as Jan, but come on, almost 40 sec on two stages?

[Mintexmemory]

Well, if RK is as dominant in Portugal then Msr Matton has a big problem - which of the current No 2s to sack!

[werner]

Kubica: "We drove carefully ..." but 37 sec gap after 2 stages, to Jan Kopecky and Craig Breen, two famous rally drivers ... dont know, but RK should go direct into WRC! I am very impressived!

[stefanvv]

Kubica is stunning quick on asphalt, we still don't know what will be on gravel, let's wait for Portugal to see indeed. Kopecky's job is very difficult now to fight back

[wrc1600]

Well, if RK is as dominant in Portugal then Msr Matton has a big problem - which of the current No 2s to sack!

Take it easy :) RK admitted he hasn't got much experience on gravel... but will see what that means. Looks like same words have different meaning to him and to us :)

[Ucci]

I can not believe to my eyes!! This must be shock for Kopecky and Breen. All the previous Kopecky's results and successes are worth nothing when I see the situation on this rally. Rally driver with so much experience, with factory support and be suddenly beaten by half disabled driver with 0 experience, new codriver, new car....humiliation on the whole line.

[star]

Impressive yes especially as it was foggy as well which means he is actually listening to the co-driver and trusting his notes!!

[Esperal]

Well if You follow Robert's career it is not humiliation really. This guy is special. Period.

Damn his accident, cause he would be Ferrari driver in F1 now 100%. Hope he manages to get World Rally Championship to sweeten his los ;) Hope he stays on the road this time :)

[Esperal]

... and I hope that Rally Radio guys will learn how to properly pronounce his last name ;)

[Bartek]

no interviews after ss3?

[RS]

I can not believe to my eyes!! This must be shock for Kopecky and Breen. All the previous Kopecky's results and successes are worth nothing when I see the situation on this rally. Rally driver with so much experience, with factory support and be suddenly beaten by half disabled driver with 0 experience, new codriver, new car....humiliation on the whole line.

Don't be silly. For a start Kubica has a different category of car. Kopecky is an excellent driver on this type of event - remember he finished 5th on Catalunya some years ago, only 2 minutes off the winner in a private Fabia WRC.

Robert is doing a great job though but remember every time the RRC cars have started with a decent driver they have won.

[Alex Langheck]

I’m not sure why people are shocked - the bloke is massively quick. The only driver Alonso/ Hamilton truly feared, if that doesn’t tell you anything, I don’t know what does. Yes, he’s inexperienced in a Rally car, and there is the pace notes which is what normally causes problems for circuit racers. In terms of talent - he's in another league.

[rage82]

no interviews after ss3?
Lost connection with the reporter. He was on the road section after the stage.

[Mirek]

Don't be silly. For a start Kubica has a different category of car. Kopecky is an excellent driver on this type of event - remember he finished 5th on Catalunya some years ago, only 2 minutes off the winner in a private Fabia WRC.

Robert is doing a great job though but remember every time the RRC cars have started with a decent driver they have won.

You're overestimating the car. Yes, it's good but here it's the driver what makes the difference. Jan has always struggled in hard to predict conditions. If You go through results of last several years You must find that it was almost always Juho who was faster in case of some fog, partial wet etc.

[wrc1600]

You're overestimating the car. Yes, it's good but here it's the driver what makes the difference. Jan has always struggled in hard to predict conditions. If You go through results of last several years You must find that it was almost always Juho who was faster in case of some fog, partial wet etc.

Agree, car wise there are also Fiesta RRC and Mini RRC from Prodrive ...

[RS]

You're overestimating the car. Yes, it's good but here it's the driver what makes the difference. Jan has always struggled in hard to predict conditions. If You go through results of last several years You must find that it was almost always Juho who was faster in case of some fog, partial wet etc.

Yes.. which is why I want to see some dry stages.

[Mirek]

Yes.. which is why I want to see some dry stages.

SS3 and shakedown were dry.

[RS]

SS3 and shakedown were dry.

And the times were closer...

My point is it is possible to praise Robert without being nasty and disrespectful to others (not directed at you Mirek)

[A FONDO]

Do you remember the formula vs rally drivers discussion some months ago :D :D I am so sorry I can't find anything, especially there was one finnish fanatic that I would put in my signature right away :D :D :D

[Mirek]

And the times were closer...

Which shows that the difference in cars is marginal and it is the driver what makes the difference.

[RJM]

RK is an extreme talent! I had a feeling he might do this. i hope he can keep it on the road now.

[Kielder]

(2 - Breen Craig / Nagle Paul): was 1 min late in TC 0


He forgot his glasses when leaving service this morning. Grabbing his bins made him a minute late at the control.

[dupanton]

Wow, didn't saw that one coming...
Kubica is just so much faster then Kopecky, didn't expect that at all... Hopefully he can stay there till the end.
Looks like Citroën will have to consider an other driver to try to battle with Ogier in Germany...

[PLuto]

On the first stages Kubica was using "zero" tyres (from service he was going with 4x zero and 2x 20).

[br21]

Where to look for results from national event?

[Kielder]

About Kubica... :eek: Three out of three! Amazing!!!
It's true that the current big gap is based on a right tyre choice, but to beat Kopecky and Breen in the Canary Islands when you drive a car for the first time, you have a talented driver. Thinking on his future, it's true that he has no experience on gravel, but to be 6 minutes behind Ogier as Sordo was in Mexico not much experience is needed. Kubica was born in 1984, he is a year younger than the Spaniard. He can improve a lot. Moreover, if Duval, who is four years older than Kubica and won't score a better result than he did in the past, is going to have an opportunity in Germany, I can't see any reason why not giving it to the Pole sooner or later. After his terrible accident, every time that he's driven a rally car he's shown that he has the speed.
Today Robert has started his second life. I hope to see him many years in the world of rallying. What I'm afraid of is that there will be people who will say that he has a technological advantage.

[Kielder]

Hand cutting tyres were allowed this morning:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BF9OuKCCIAAHijy.jpg:large

V? m?t n?n sÃ*n, t?m lát lÃ*m t? dá thiên nhiên v?a ch?u nu?c v?a b?n, g?ch men lo?i l?n d? c? r?a, lÃ*m s?ch, giá tr? th?c d?ng c?a t?m ch?t d?o r?t cao, tÃ*nh phòng tron tru?t cung r?t t?t. B?n t?m có vai trò ch? ch?t trong phòng t?m-toilet; hình dáng, mÃ*u s?c, d? l?n c?a nó d?u c?n tÃ*nh toán khi ch?n mua. Tác d?ng l?y ánh sáng c?a c?a s? ? phòng t?m- toilet không ph?i lÃ* quan tr?ng nh?t, dèn chi?u sáng ch? c?n ánh sáng d?u lÃ* d?; ch? y?u lÃ* thông gió, thông hoi. Guong lÃ* d? v?t c?n thi?t trong phòng t?m- toilet. Nhi?t d? trong phòng t?m- toilet th?p, d?t ch?u cây r?t h?p. S? ?m u?t giúp cây tang tru?ng t?t, tang thêm sinh khÃ*.

[Kielder]

http://yfrog.com/scaled/landing/878/uygedx.jpg

Short video:

http://www.fiaerc.com/videogallery/detail/id_event/3/id/59/t/ERC-CANARIAS-after-SS3

[stefanvv]

http://www.fiaerc.com/videogallery/detail/id_event/3/id/59/t/ERC-CANARIAS-after-SS3

[polo10]

Which shows that the difference in cars is marginal and it is the driver what makes the difference.

They have the same tyres choice? That could have made the difference in the wet stages, i think i read somewhere that RK as soft tyres and Jan had medium in front and soft in rear.
Also the fog, is not usually the same for every drivers...But, Robert Kubica is a very talented driver, even in F1 he was one of the most talented, if not the most, we have to congratulate him for this show, i did not expect such a perfomance...But let s see in dry stages...

[PLuto]

Dont forget also that local roads perfectly suit to Kubica's circuit driving style with clean line.

[Mirek]

Dont forget also that local roads perfectly suit to Kubica's circuit driving style with clean line.

Kopecký is also ex-circuit driver who prefers clean lines. He also did the rally three times and won it twice. There is no need to create some special reasons why Kubica is so fast. He just is so fast. The fact he is there first time with new car, with new co-driver and is partially disabled just underlines his exceptional skills.

[Tom206wrc]

Pitty Ancian lost so much time to Monzon :(

[Bartek]

Very nice Live Timing in ERC website :)

[Mintexmemory]

Breen quicker than Kopecky on SS4 - very interesting wait !!

[Kielder]

A place at this stage, "Moya-Disa":

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BF9eNl3CQAImd0w.jpg:large

[thuGG]

Kubica SS4 - 8.32 :)

[Bartek]

Another amazing time for Robert :) Wow!!!

[Tom206wrc]

Incredible Kubica !!!!! He says after SS4 "not good time, we made a mistake in tyres choice"...result: 6" better than Breen and Kopecky :laugh:

[Mintexmemory]

Another amazing time for Robert :) Wow!!!

And with a 'wrong tyre choice' !!!

[wrc1600]

What will happen when he gets experience and right tyres choice?

[Mirek]

By the way, have a look on this onboard of Robert from Antibes 2010 (with Clio S1600). That says all :)

Rally Antibes 2010 ss14 Kubica-Gerber - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVf_QNYQVK4)

[dupanton]

Funny local saying the times at the rally radio, brilliant :D
But what an awful pronunciation of Bonnefis...

[cali]

By the way, have a look on this onboard of Robert from Antibes 2010 (with Clio S1600). That says all :)

Rally Antibes 2010 ss14 Kubica-Gerber - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVf_QNYQVK4)

Wow never seen that video before. Very smooth driving, seems like most of the natural rally drivers are too aggressive on tarmac.

[dimviii]

stage 5 is live.

[Jeppe]

By the way, have a look on this onboard of Robert from Antibes 2010 (with Clio S1600). That says all :)

Rally Antibes 2010 ss14 Kubica-Gerber - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVf_QNYQVK4)

I agree, very neat style (already in 2010)..

[Tom206wrc]

stage 5 is live.


Nothing on Rally-Base live results service :confused:

[Bartek]

Kopecky just finished ss5 and Breen is better than Jan...

[rally4life2]

but on fia erc, kopecky just finished stage5

[rally4life2]

has somebody the stage times of the national group?

[Bartek]

Can Kubica win all today stages? 5-0 now, after 85km about 1 minute before Jan, massive gap for someone who is first time in Canarias

[skory]

Robert 8s quicker then Craig!

[dimviii]

Kubica again scratch -8,1 from Breen

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Which timing site is working - cant get the ERC site on my mobile ?

[thuGG]

rally-base.com/2013/rally-islas-canarias-2013/?ssId=1557

[A FONDO]

has somebody the stage times of the national group?

eWRC-results.com - results Rally Islas Canarias El Corte Ingls 2013 (http://www.ewrc-results.com/results.php?e=7307&s=34284&section=27&t=Rally-Islas-Canarias-El-Corte-Ingles-2013)

[Mirek]

has somebody the stage times of the national group?

Here You can find results for all groups: Tiempos Online 2013 - 37 Rally Islas Canarias "El Corte Inglés"*·*A Todo Motor (http://www.atodomotor.com/online/2013/islascanarias/)

[Mirek]

Which timing site is working - cant get the ERC site on my mobile ?

For phone You can use mobile version of rally-base.com: Rally Islas Canarias 2013 - Results - Rally-Base (http://m.rally-base.com/2013/rally-islas-canarias-2013/)

[seb_sh]

Kubica wiping the floor with the regulars!

[Tom206wrc]

Where's Léandri in SS5 :confused:

[Kielder]

SS4 pic:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BF9qUclCEAA-ph8.jpg:large

[Kielder]

I've been following the times on this website: Tiempos Online - 37 Rally Islas Canarias "El Corte Inglés"*·*A Todo Motor (http://www.atodomotor.com/online/2013/islascanarias/5/rally.html)
Not a single problem so far.

[skory]

If you have Android phone then you can download from market app "A Todo Motor" with live timing.

[br21]

any more photos with paddle shift in Kubica car? or any infos how it is done there? pneumatic, hydraulic, magnet?

[dimviii]

puncture for Monzon at stage 5.

[rallyfun]

Is it only me or it looks little bit like last 9 years in WRC?

[Tom206wrc]

Ancian first better time than Breen on SS6 :)

[dimviii]

Again faster! Very good job for Ancian so far!

[rallye-vid]

Ok. Kubica will win the rally.. let's say 56 seconds ;)

Oops. looks like i was wrong :D

[Ucci]

How fast are Fuster and Pons??

[Bartek]

How fast are Fuster and Pons??

In this conditions i don't think they are fast but maybe someone have their times

[Kielder]

How fast are Fuster and Pons??

The stages aren't dry, so Pons, the fastest of both today, is almost 4" slower than Oliveira.

[Mirek]

The stages aren't dry, so Pons, the fastest of both today, is almost 4" slower than Oliveira.

2 of them were dry (SS3/6). Anyway the guys in Porsches were slower than IRC boys every year.

[Kielder]

6-0. Set for Kubica. Impressive. I hope we don't need to remember what happened in last Rally du Var. Neither him nor his new co-driver deserve an abrupt end here.

2h35' until SS7 Agüimes. Some videos to make it shorter:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzNQjNZcZ2o&feature=player_embedded

Onboard Kubica in SS1: Event Videos' Gallery - ERC European Rally Championship - Eurosport (http://www.fiaerc.com/videogallery/list/id/3)

[Rasantes]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/562338_531903906860172_2044325616_n.jpg

[Tom206wrc]

This quite weird Ojeda is fastest of 2WDs on SS3 an 6 and therefore slower than Vinyes on the rest of stages :confused:

[stefanvv]

I like Kubica's perfectionism. Keep it go.

Onboard - http://www.fiaerc.com/videogallery/detail/id_event/3/id/61/t/ERC-CANARIAS-onboard-Kubica-SS1

[Kielder]

2 of them were dry (SS3/6). Anyway the guys in Porsches were slower than IRC boys every year.

When I posted it SS6 was about to start for the National Championship cars. Now Pons is faster than Oliveira, buy he is 18" slower than Vinyes in the National Championship. Under normal conditions, on those stages, those guys are much more faster than a S1600, even though the great Vinyes is at the wheel. These are last year's times: Tiempos Online - 35 Rally Islas Canarias "El Corte Inglés"*·*A Todo Motor (http://www.atodomotor.com/online/2011/islascanarias/12/4/rally.html)
They're slower than the IRC guys as Kopecky, but they're normally faster than Ancian or Aigner.

[Kielder]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_N6jH2faa2o&feature=player_embedded

You can see some other drivers as Monzón or Antxustegi on the same channel :) .

[rallye-vid]

I like Kubica's perfectionism. Keep it go.

Onboard - ERC CANARIAS onboard Kubica SS1 - Video Gallery - ERC European Rally Championship - Eurosport (http://www.fiaerc.com/videogallery/detail/id_event/3/id/61/t/ERC-CANARIAS-onboard-Kubica-SS1)

~2:25sec "do lewy 5 media smialo" -> "in left 5 media no fear" :D

Don't know how exactly translate the word "smialo" but it's like no fear, don't be afraid, go on, keep going etc.. ;)

[wrc1600]

~2:25sec "do lewy 5 media smialo" -> "in left 5 media no fear" :D

Don't know how exactly translate the word "smialo" but it's like no fear, don't be afraid, go on, keep going etc.. ;)

to the left 5 medium go on

[Kielder]

SS4 Moya-Disa 2:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Q7aD9QyoGlM

[PLuto]

Daniel Oliveira retired in service after SS 6 due to gearboy failure.

[dimviii]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/6722_511123112286080_2047867149_n.jpg

[Georgi]

Impressive Robert Kubica ! Amazing talent on tarmac !

[Kielder]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BF-ikX4CcAAwPW0.jpg:large

[Tom206wrc]

SS7 on, normally ;)

[Kielder]

I post this here 'cause the thread of the next edition isn't opened yet :D : Carlos Sainz quiere volver al Rally Islas Canarias en la edición 2014 con un Polo RRC (http://www.laprovincia.es/provincia-especiales/2013/03/22/carlos-sainz-quiere-volver-rally-islas-canarias-edicion-2014/521288.html)

[dimviii]

stage is dry.Lets see

[Mirek]

I like Kubica's perfectionism. Keep it go.

Onboard - ERC CANARIAS onboard Kubica SS1 - Video Gallery - ERC European Rally Championship - Eurosport (http://www.fiaerc.com/videogallery/detail/id_event/3/id/61/t/ERC-CANARIAS-onboard-Kubica-SS1)

Compare the feeling of speed with the old onboard from Antibes. Just different camera position but the resulting video is way better!

[dimviii]

(1 - Kopecký Jan / Dresler Pavel): We were trying to do our maximum, so we will see. Now it's dry, but one kilometer before the finish we had really huge moment. After flat out section we had to slow down quickly and we were sliding for about 40 meters.

Lets see now RK as Kopecky pushed hard.

[Tom206wrc]

Big loss from Breen :s

[stefanvv]

Compare the feeling of speed with the old onboard from Antibes. Just different camera position but the resulting video is way better!

Yes, it is, though if the stage was dry here it would be much better

[Tom206wrc]

Monzon :confused:

[stefanvv]

Big loss from Breen :s

Or big gain for Kopecky?

[dimviii]

Again faster.

[rallye-vid]

Kubica 7:0 ;)

[Tom206wrc]

Kubica still faster with small margin ;)
Go Ancian :bounce:

[Kielder]

Kubica 1.1 faster than Kopecky.

[Bartek]

7-0 for Robert, Kościuszko in his house has big headache what he will say after Portugal when he will lose with RRC :)

[stefanvv]

Wow, Kubica stunning again. Even Loeb hadn't have such supremecy in WRC

[Mirek]

Now dry and clean road so Jan tried to attack. It didn't work so now I expect him to slow down a bit just control Craig. He is too clever to risk when there is such big margin. Everything is in Robert's hands.

But for us at PC it would be sure nicer if it was all dry...

[Tom206wrc]

Very good !!! Jérémi didn't lose a lot to Luis :)

[Ucci]

What do you think about Bonnefis?? To be on some stages faster with Megan N4 against super agile Swift S1600, which is a real rally car, or DS3 R3 with state of the art gearbox, no bad??
Still, Kubica is the man to admire.....
On the other hand, Porsche drivers are today in a second league....disappointment.

[stefanvv]

I post this here 'cause the thread of the next edition isn't opened yet :D : Carlos Sainz quiere volver al Rally Islas Canarias en la edición 2014 con un Polo RRC (http://www.laprovincia.es/provincia-especiales/2013/03/22/carlos-sainz-quiere-volver-rally-islas-canarias-edicion-2014/521288.html)

Polo RRC, haven't seen that coming :bounce:

[Mirek]

What do you think about Bonnefis?? To be on some stages faster with Megan N4 against super agile Swift S1600, which is a real rally car, or DS3 R3 with state of the art gearbox, no bad??

At the start of Mégane project I was thinking that on this kind of roads (and dry) it shall be faster than normal gr.N 4WD cars. Maybe now it really is, however so far the car was very unreliable and also not suitable for most of worlds stages.

For Bonnefis we can only say he is clearly faster than Consani but otherwise it's difficult to judge. Don't forget Mégane is much more powerful car than DS3 or Swift and compared to DS3 it's not that much heavier (some 100 kg or so).


Still, Kubica is the man to admire.....

Definitely


On the other hand, Porsche drivers are today in a second league....disappointment.

You mean the SWRC champion? ;)

[Mirek]

Polo RRC, haven't seen that coming :bounce:

It must be already homologated though. And AFAIK if somebody orders it, VW is obliged to deliver it.

[Tom206wrc]

SS8 should have started ;)

[rallye-vid]

8:0 for Robert.. What a day ;)


(5 - Kubica Robert / Baran Maciej): It was good day. In the last stage we turn with hairpin and touched a house inside, so we had to reverse.

[stefanvv]

Monzon did great time, Kubica fastest....again

[Tom206wrc]

Bonnefis :confused:


Edit: usually he comes before Consani...but this time he was after... :mark:

[Rally Talent]

8:0 for Robert.. What a day ;)

This is true dominance. I never thought Robert would be slow, but to keep up that pace stage after stage is something. If he can finish this rally it'll be interesting to see what happens in Portugal...

[Allyc85]

Amazing so far from super Bob Kubica, really hope he can keep this up till the end!

[faateris]

Fantastic times for Kubica. :eek:
He win this rally or not, i think RK will drive for Citroen WRC team already this year. Interesting, what he can do on gravel....

[Mirek]

Impressive onboard of Robert! (the only thing is that it's not SS6 like the title suggest :) )


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXcv19AAlAY

By the way the acceleration of the car really looks fabulous for S2000.

[urabus-denoS2000]

My friends, after the first day all I can say to you is... told you so ;)

[Kielder]

Ojeda's been excluded:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BF_eIOZCQAE4mQg.jpg:large

[Rasantes]

Ojeda's been excluded:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BF_eIOZCQAE4mQg.jpg:large


Don't like :(

[kubiczech]

By the way the acceleration of the car really looks fabulous for S2000.

Agreed ... i thought the same when i watched it .... the engine seems very strong ... never had this feeling when watching onboard from RRC cars

[dimviii]

Wow, Kubica stunning again. Even Loeb hadn't have such supremecy in WRC

lololol
Monte before 2 months 1,5 minute at 3 stages.

[dimviii]

On the other hand, Porsche drivers are today in a second league....disappointment.

yes because they rely on their big power,which today wasn t able to use at these circumstances.

[Juha_Koo]

What is happening in this interview?!

Pilot Kubicy - ostra wypowied (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vY9g0Y9VbZ4)

[skory]

What is happening in this interview?!

Pilot Kubicy - ostra wypowied (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vY9g0Y9VbZ4)

It was interview after Kubica's press conference where he was talking about new season, new team but also about his health and hand.

Reporter: You have seen that hand, right? It don't look too good or....
Maciej Baran: I haven't seen your di*k but I think it's big. This wansn't right question. I think we have finished.
Reporter: I wanted to ask...
Maciej Baran: So what, are we going to toilet?

[wrc1600]

What is happening in this interview?!

Pilot Kubicy - ostra wypowied (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vY9g0Y9VbZ4)

Maciek Baran got pissed off when asked improper question about Robert Kubica's health condition, he replied with kind of "erotic" answer and eventually ended interview.

[Juha_Koo]

It was interview after Kubica's press conference where he was talking about new season, new team but also about his health and hand.

Reporter: You have seen that hand, right? It don't look too good or....
Maciej Baran: I haven't seen your di*k but I think it's big. This wansn't right question. I think we have finished.
Reporter: I wanted to ask...
Maciej Baran: So what, are we going to toilet?


Maciek Baran got pissed off when asked improper question about Robert Kubica's health condition, he replied with kind of "erotic" answer and eventually ended interview.

Thanks guys, so I thought but couldn't be sure. What an idiot reporter.

[Mirek]

García-Ojeda was excluded because his car was 4 kg lighter. How many times works crews were disqualified for such a small violation? I clearly remember (I think Acropolis) when everybody was only punished by a fine. I hate those double measures against competitors from down the order...

[Rasantes]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/536533_152937531534177_1877931516_n.jpg


https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/388426_152937538200843_1680603035_n.jpg


https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/1696_152937571534173_812319994_n.jpg


https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/484186_152937604867503_1974447732_n.jpg


https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/320548_152937611534169_1547766228_n.jpg

[Mintexmemory]

:D Highly sexually insulting but not in the least 'erotic'
Big up to Mr Baran - who seems to have an interesting season ahead

[Jarek Z]

What is happening in this interview?!

Pilot Kubicy - ostra wypowied (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vY9g0Y9VbZ4)

It's a typical Polish situation so I'm not sure if you will understand it.

Journalist: Did you see this hand (of Robert)? It... it probably looks bad, because... If... if... if....
Maciej Baran: But your dick I haven't seen and I think it is of a great size!
Journalist: (total silence and confusion)
Maciej Baran: Your last question was out of order and I think this interview is over.
Journalist: But I wanted to ask if... as if...
Maciej Baran: So are we going to the toilette (to check it out) or not? :D

I don't know if you get it. Kubica's co-driver reacted so harsh, because he had to reply to the same question again - the famous hand of Robert story - and he got angry, because the journalist was looking for sensation. So the whole situation is a mix of frustration and typical Polish "culture".

How did you find it?

[Kielder]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/544235_574542202570655_1707774736_n.jpg

I wonder myself if any driver has ever won all the stages in a (proper) first leg of IRC :confused: . BTW, before his 8th scratch, Kubica hit a house, reversed and dropped 12 seconds.

[mousti]

Loix won all stages Friday of Ypres 2011 and I think he's not the only one.

[Mirek]

There were such cases. Hänninen in Russia 2009 won all stages of first two legs (of three). Two were canceled so it was 8 wins scratches in a row which is same like Kubica now. Meeke in the same year won all 7 stages of first leg of Rally Curitiba. Loix won all 6 stages of leg 1 in Ypres 2011. Mikkelsen in Romania 2012 won all 7 stages of leg 1 (one scratch from SSS shared with Porcisteanu).

Basso in Madeira 2009 and Salo in China 2008 won all stages of first leg except an SSS which was a night before (but was counted to same leg).

I didn't check the initial 2006 season when there was only one team with S2000 cars so maybe Basso or Andreucci could be others to the statistics.

[mousti]

García-Ojeda was excluded because his car was 4 kg lighter. How many times works crews were disqualified for such a small violation? I clearly remember (I think Acropolis) when everybody was only punished by a fine. I hate those double measures against competitors from down the order...

Same happened to Solberg in France 2011 also 4 kg lighter. Not works driver offcourse then. Maciek what a humor he has although he's a friendly guy if u don't give him annoying questions :D

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[Kielder]

Thank you both for the posts :up: . Especially thanks to you, Mirek. I love statistics, though this time I was too lazy to check. I'm sure I'd have forgotten some of those drivers. That's a good list!

[stefanvv]

lololol
Monte before 2 months 1,5 minute at 3 stages.

:D . Well this is the first stage:
Overall

Pos
No
Driver

Time
Diff
Prev
Diff
1st


1.
8
S. OGIER
M
27:31.8
0.0
0.0


2.
1
S. LOEB
M
27:35.5
+3.7
+3.7



But no one denies his supremecy in SS4 ;)

[WRC3]

I dont know if I am right, but both Megane RS counting for 2WD ERC, too? Because on rally-base.com they are not shown on that classification. Somebody know if its correct?

[dupanton]

I dont know if I am right, but both Megane RS counting for 2WD ERC, too? Because on rally-base.com they are not shown on that classification. Somebody know if its correct?

They are 2WD, so yes...

[Jarek Z]

They are 2WD, so yes...

I don't think so. If you look at the first statement of this piece of news:
Renault Sport begins its European campaign in the Canaries (http://www.altasrotacoes.com/component/content/article/27-rally/11737-renault-sport-begins-its-european-campaign-in-the-canaries)
it clearly says that they are aiming at the ERC Production Cup.

I don't know how it works, but maybe the engine with turbo is too big to be counted in the 2WD classification? This sport and its rules have become too complicated in recent years.

[pantealex]

I dont know if I am right, but both Megane RS counting for 2WD ERC, too? Because on rally-base.com they are not shown on that classification. Somebody know if its correct?

ERC official site do not count them.

[Kielder]

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8094/8579981801_23c77407b4_h.jpg

Just in case you haven't seen it:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ktChyuNlkw

At the end of the second part you can see the little problem Kubica had in Cazadores' crossing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cC3C0xmnlkg

[PLuto]

At the start of Mégane project I was thinking that on this kind of roads (and dry) it shall be faster than normal gr.N 4WD cars. Maybe now it really is, however so far the car was very unreliable and also not suitable for most of worlds stages.

For Bonnefis we can only say he is clearly faster than Consani but otherwise it's difficult to judge. Don't forget Mégane is much more powerful car than DS3 or Swift and compared to DS3 it's not that much heavier (some 100 kg or so).

I would like to only notice, that Consani had (and I think still has) problems with power of his car and they are not able to find where is problem.

[PLuto]

I dont know if I am right, but both Megane RS counting for 2WD ERC, too? Because on rally-base.com they are not shown on that classification. Somebody know if its correct?

You are not correct, results on rally-base.com are correct. This year Megane is eligible only into ERC PC, not 2WD...

[Ucci]

Nice to see so many spectators!!

[PLuto]

SS 9 and 12 are shortened from start due to traffic accident this night and also because of bad condition of this road. Start of all stages is delayed for 8 minutes.

[Kielder]

Start list for Leg 2: Tlustak, Puskádi, Consani, Bonnefis, Aigner, Monzón, Ancian, Breen, Kopecký, Kubica – all at 2-minute intervals.
Then at 1-minute intervals, Antxustegi, Leandri, Bessneyey and the rest of the drivers.

[PLuto]

And as I wrote under results, all stages today are dry, only fog on some parts. Everybody left service with same type of tyre. Crews are now going to the south part of the island, stages are going up to north from Las Palomas to area around Tejeda, where was SS 2 and 3 yesterday.

[PLuto]

Start list for Leg 2: Tlustak, Puskádi, Consani, Bonnefis, Aigner, Monzón, Ancian, Breen, Kopecký, Kubica – all at 2-minute intervals.
Then at 1-minute intervals, Antxustegi, Leandri, Bessneyey and the rest….

Complete start list to second leg is here - Rally Islas Canarias 2013 - Start order - leg 2 - Rally-Base (http://rally-base.com/2013/rally-islas-canarias-2013/start-list/?startTimeTypeId=293)

[Kielder]

SS 9 and 12 are shortened from start due to traffic accident this night and also because of bad condition of this road. Start of all stages is delayed for 8 minutes.

The delay of SS9 will be longer due to a spectator's heart attack :( .

[arko5]

Kubica on the road :)

[arko5]

Kopecky quickest

[Mirek]

8:1. Finally :)

[WUff1]

Puncture for Ancian on SS9, but he didn´t loose to much time there.

[Kielder]

Now Kubica knows what he's capable of. Today he has to show that he can control himself.
The second lesson has started: pushing isn't needed.

[Tom206wrc]

No time for Ancian on SS10 :confused:

[Mirek]

Just watched the Eurosport report. In the simulcam it didn't look like the DS3 would accelerate better than Fabia. I know it's hard to judge from videos but at least there was no so significant difference that it could have been recognized.

[Medved]

Kubica out?

[arko5]

Kubica out??

[Salist]

Yes, Kubica out. According to RallyRadio.

[wrc1600]

yes his off the road but ok

[Mirek]

Something with Robert Kubica?

[vino_93]

where is Kubica in SS12 ?

edit : ok ... same thing as the Rallye du Var :(

[stefanvv]

What??? What happened?

[WUff1]

No time for Ancian on SS10 :confused:

Seems to be another problem this time ... finished now, but lost pos. 4 and is in danger of Aigner surpassing him .... not a good day for him it seems ..

[EightGear]

That is just amazingly stupid, again.

[WUff1]

Is Kubica back on the road or definitely out?

[wrc1600]

They said his out, car damaged.

[stefanvv]

Now Kubica knows what he's capable of. Today he has to show that he can control himself.
The second lesson has started: pushing isn't needed.

That is important lesson in Rallying. In circuit racing everything is much more simple

[Kielder]

He is definitely out :( . Antxustegui said Kubica hit a barrier. Crew OK. Second lesson postponed until Portugal.

[WUff1]

Ok ... so he probably still can´t control his speed over a longer period ...

[Jarek Z]

Now Kubica knows what he's capable of. Today he has to show that he can control himself.
The second lesson has started...

But it ended very quickly. And he didn't learn much.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Shame but these things happen... but he proved yesterday what he can do...

[Tom206wrc]

Robert Kubica, noooo ;(

[Salist]

Robert Kubica hit a barrier and broke the left-rear wheel in SS10. Unfortunately he has to retire.

Source: Citroen Racing on Twitter

[Kielder]

It happened after braking too late for a fast right-hand corner.

[stefanvv]

Trying to make it to the service :confused:

[mousti]

Kubica learning to know his limits..

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[Rallyper]

This just shows how much a lottery rallies on tarmac is. On gravel there is always a way to solv problems with your spiral memory... On tarmac no time left for correction.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

No run-off areas in rallying, Robert ... ;)

[stefanvv]

ERC CANARIAS Kopecky SS7 - Video Gallery - ERC European Rally Championship - Eurosport (http://www.fiaerc.com/videogallery/detail/id_event/3/id/67/t/ERC-CANARIAS-Kopecky-SS7)

[Alex Langheck]

He has the pace,now he has to learn to bring it home in one piece.

[Mirek]

Ancian seems to be out?

[Jarek Z]

This just shows how much a lottery rallies on tarmac is. On gravel there is always a way to solv problems with your spiral memory... On tarmac no time left for correction.

It is not a lottery. As far as I remember Juho Hanninen won last year's European Championship without a single accident?

[stefanvv]

Ancian seems to be out?

Puncture on previous stage. No spares :confused:

[WUff1]

Ancian seems to be finally out

[Mirek]

It is not a lottery. As far as I remember Juho Hanninen won last year's European Championship without a single accident?

Juho crashed in Sanremo (not ERC though) :)

Jan has not crashed since shakedown of Ypres two years a go. Even on our dangerously bumpy and dirty asphalt it's possible to be reliable. Roman Kresta last time crashed in Barum 2010 (pretty spectacular though :) ).

[Luis Pacheco]

Robert Kubica hit a barrier and broke the left-rear wheel in SS10. Unfortunately he has to retire.

Source: Citroen Racing on Twitter

What a shame. But is good for my pickems. :)

[rallyfun]

It is not a lottery. As far as I remember Juho Hanninen won last year's European Championship without a single accident?

I guess you didn't do a good review, tarmac doesn't forgive any mistakes and it's a lottery as tyres choice.

[stefanvv]

Juho crashed in Sanremo (not ERC though) :)

What a crash. Pure artist

[Jarek Z]

I guess you didn't do a good review, tarmac doesn't forgive any mistakes and it's a lottery as tyres choice.

Really? In 2003 Miguel Campos finished over 50 rallies in a row and that includes both European and Portuguese Championship. Do you think he won the lottery 50 times in a row? He should be a millionaire now :D

[Mirek]

I guess you didn't do a good review, tarmac doesn't forgive any mistakes and it's a lottery as tyres choice.

Of course asphalt is less predictable and more dangerous surface but You can understand it. It's difficult but possible. Jarek is from a country where they have very difficult asphalt stages and plenty of crashes on them so be sure he knows what he speaks about.

[rallyfun]

Really? In 2003 Miguel Campos finished over 50 rallies in a row and that includes both European and Portuguese Championship. Do you think he won the lottery 50 times in a row? He should be a millionaire now :D

That only proves tarmac is a lottery.

[Mirek]

That only proves tarmac is a lottery.

Than how come there are drivers who don't crash on asphalt or very rarely? There is quite a lot of them.

[rallyfun]

Than how come there are drivers who don't crash on asphalt or very rarely? There is quite a lot of them.

A lottery is about just that, some have more luck than others.

[EightGear]

Then gravel must also be a lottery because Latvala keeps binning it.

[Mirek]

A lottery is about just that, some have more luck than others.

Please educate Yourself about principles of lotteries. It's mathematics and statistics, nothing like a luck in 50 cases in a row exists. The fact some don't crash on asphalt means that those found the way to understand it, not that they are lucky.

[A FONDO]

I still have not seen Kubica's crash but if it is late braking indeed, I am disappointed. Discipline, patience, keeping calm, proper work with the pedals should be his biggest trump.

[rallyfun]

Please educate Yourself about principles of lotteries. It's mathematics and statistics, nothing like a luck in 50 cases in a row exists. The fact some don't crash on asphalt means that those found the way to understand it, not that they are lucky.

Well can you give us next lottery numbers then if it's just mathematics?

[EightGear]

A lottery is about just that, some have more luck than others.


Again Latvala. Rocks and stuff...

[Hartusvuori]

This just shows how much a lottery rallies on tarmac is. On gravel there is always a way to solv problems with your spiral memory... On tarmac no time left for correction.

Per, have you ever spectated on a proper tarmac rally? It's true that tarmac leaves less room for mistakes, but lottery it isn't. And with proper drivers and proper roads, tarmac is just as spectacular as is gravel. I will remember forever the first run of Kopecky in Barum 2010 shakedown, dropped my jaw. There had been few drivers before him, but he truly mastered it at the spot. This season I've already arranged it that I'll see at least one tarmac rally. If you are interested, a lot of information, tips and help are found in this forum.

About Kubica, there seems to be a pattern already and hopefully he gets rid of it soon. Of course an odd mistake can happen here and there, but for his own good and at the same time for the good of our sport, it'd be better he starts to finish rallies too. The (tarmac) speed we already know.

[thuGG]

Well can you give us next lottery numbers then if it's just mathematics?

Because it's mathematics, he cant give you lottery numbers. You should read a bit about probability.

[stefanvv]

Asphalt Rallies can be lottery too, well at least here in Bulgaria where the asphalt is not that smooth and the dirt thrown on it at some stages. But I agree that with smart driving and careful notes, these can be avoided as with gravel Rallies too.

[rallyfun]

Because it's mathematics, he cant give you lottery numbers. You should read a bit about probability.

Then can you tell us who will be next off on tarmac rally? We are talking "rally lottery" not mathematics I don't know why someone brought it into this topic. On some tarmac rallies it's difficult to secure every driver the same road conditions, then there is tyres choice factor, start time etc. and that is called lottery and has noting to do with mathematics.

[Kielder]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BGC22QiCEAA8BEn.jpg:large

[Rasantes]

Other image

https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/5274_444059769007417_1763043696_n.jpg

[A FONDO]

Great clip


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3twFYPmI0gA

[skory]

He has no luck for the barriers. Lucky this one was stronger than previous.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Good to watch while we wait... gives a good idea of the variety of cars on the whole rally... :)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q40mffSCEkQ

[Rallyper]

Lottery in the way I explained - no time for correction. Predictable, yes, for sure. But when the car slips away no time for doing anything. That´s my point.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BGDSJ7OCAAIoXUJ.jpg:large

Sad ending ... :(

[seb_sh]

Good to watch while we wait... gives a good idea of the variety of cars on the whole rally... :)



Nice video and nice variety of cars on the rally, would like to see gt cars on more rallies.

But damn those horns! They got really annoying, plus you couldn't hear the cars over them. :(

[Bartek]

What can i say, hope Robert will show his speed in Portugal. Now will be interesting to see onboard from this crash

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Can someone post this vid please ?

Colin Clark ‏@voiceofrally (https://twitter.com/voiceofrally) 7m (https://twitter.com/voiceofrally/status/315484678373113856) Oh my goodness me you're a lucky boy Robert! This is a bit scary - video of Kubica's crash!

http://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=498398843556584&id=100001594181122&_rdr … (http://t.co/tU8YHPmVnu)

[cali]

Can someone post this vid please ?

Colin Clark ‏@voiceofrally (https://twitter.com/voiceofrally) 7m (https://twitter.com/voiceofrally/status/315484678373113856) Oh my goodness me you're a lucky boy Robert! This is a bit scary - video of Kubica's crash!

http://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=498398843556584&id=100001594181122&_rdr … (http://t.co/tU8YHPmVnu)
Oh my goodness! Looks like a similar crash when he injured himself badly. Good to hear they are OK after such a impact.

[Bartek]

i'm not expert but looks like he had wrong pacenote? from this angle it looks way too fast