Dakar Rally 2013

[Humber]

Dakar Rally.
The 'largest rally' in the Southern Hemisphere.

Nasser to test buggy.
Neuville steps in for Al Attiyah : Rallye-Info.com (http://citroen.rallye-info.com/article.asp?sid=1&stid=10396)

[JHvP]

But which buggy? I would like to see him in Schlesser Original..

[bluuford]

But which buggy? I would like to see him in Schlesser Original..
It will be Nasser Qatari original

[Humber]

Sounds like a buggy super tourer with 7 litre Chev.
More Dakar action for Al-Attiyah (http://en.best-of-rallylive.com/Bestofrallylive/News/More-Dakar-action-for-Al-Attiyah)

[Plan9]

I wonder if X-Raid will enter more ALL4 MINI's for this event in 2013? Also, does anyone know if a DVD of highlights from this years race has been published?

[kober]

X-raid have only confirmed Peterhansel as per now. Although, based on the recent interviews, another Mini for Holowczyc, with Felipe Palmeiro as the co-driver, is a safe bet.

Imperial Toyota (with Toyota Motorsport RSA backing recently extended by another three years) have already confirmed de Villiers/von Zitzewitz and Vos/Howie crews. They're working on an evolution version of the Hilux (including five-litre production V8, with a 36 mm restrictor).

[Humber]

I wonder if Loeb will be tempted to do a Dakar Rally or at least a European Baja or two. Red Bull has had a large involvement with the event.

The South Africans training in Namibia. Dakar 2013: Namibia testing - Day 1 - YouTube (http://youtu.be/c0g9XhSJ_QE)

[alleskids]

Carlos Sainz with backup from Red Bull en Cepsa is also looking for a Toyota for the Dakar rally. he already tested a SMG buggy

[Humber]

Design of Hilux refined for Dakar.

Blueprint For a Dakar Rally Winner (http://www.imperialtoyota.co.za/news/blueprint_for_a_dakar_rally_winner)

[kober]

Blueprint For a Dakar Rally Winner (http://www.imperialtoyota.co.za/news/blueprint_for_a_dakar_rally_winner)Have I read correctly that Toyota RSA will prepare only a single Hilux in the full 2013 spec (for de Villiers/von Zitzewitz), and Vos/Howie will have to tackle the rally in an updated 2012 car?

[alleskids]

you are refering to the sentence: ""It’s a week into stage one of the build of the latest version of the off road racing Imperial Toyota Hilux pickup in which Giniel de Villiers and Dirk von Zitzewitz will aim to win the Dakar Rally in South America in the next three years"" ?

I thing it only points out that De Villiers is the high profile front man of the Dakar assault

[kober]

I was referring to "Toyota Motorsport’s two-car team that will contest the 2013 Dakar Rally [...] will also include an uprated version of the 2012 Hilux for [...] Duncan Vos [...] and Rob Howie".

[alleskids]

oeps, I missed that last parts. yes it reads of only 1 brand new Toyota, for De Villiers

[alleskids]

Peter van Merksteijn senior with Eddy Chevallier will be driving a Toyota Hilux of Overdrive racing in the Dakar rally

[kober]

Are Overdrive doing some development work on the Hilux? Or will they race the 2012 version?

[ZequeArgentina]

Are Overdrive doing some development work on the Hilux? Or will they race the 2012 version?

As far as I know for Dakar 2013:

1- X-Raid: New BMW production 3.0 biturbo engine both for Mini and BMW X3
Peterhansel (Mini)
Nani Roma (Mini)
Holowcyk (Mini)
All Mutawei??? Dos Santos (??) (Mini) (my guess: just Dos Santos or both of them)
Terranova (X3)
Garafulic (X3)
XXX (X3)

2- Imperial Toyota: New 5.0 V8 Gasoline engine (Lexus IF-S sourced), new composite body, extra wide
Giniel De Villers
Duncan Vos

3- Overdrive Racing (Toyota Hilux) same base as above, new and rebumped Hilux:
Lucio Alvarez (new Hilux)
Nuncio Cuffaro (2012 Hilux)
Peter Van merkenstijn Sr.
Carlos Sainz (??) Nasser Al Atiyah (?? only if his own project does not fulfill his expectations)
Korda (??)
Ruta (??)
XXX

(here are a total of 9 Hilux built based on Hallspeed design)

4- Robby Gordon Racing
Gordon (Hummer)
XXXX (Hummer)

5- All Atiyah Buggy: Californian buil 2wd 7litre (GM gasoline engine
Nasser
XXX (my own specualtion: Mark Miller)

6- G Force (will they be there this time??)
Boris Gadasin
Vasilev

7- Team Dessoude

8 - SMG

9- Team Toyota Autobody (regular winner of T2 cathegory)
Mitsushahsi
Gibon

10 - SAM (???)
M. Kahle?

11- Isuzu (3.0 turbo diesel)
Gargland

[ZequeArgentina]

Have to add:

10- SMG: New Buggy with V8 Engine
Chicherit

[Co-driven]

Probably add to that list Brazilian Guilherme Spinelli, with the Mitsubishi Racing Lancer.

I know he isn't a contender for the win, but for sure he will be in the Top 10...

[ZequeArgentina]

Probably add to that list Brazilian Guilherme Spinelli, with the Mitsubishi Racing Lancer.

I know he isn't a contender for the win, but for sure he will be in the Top 10...

You are right, I forgot about all the ex Ralliart Mitsubishio RacingLancers:

Mitsubishi Brazil: (DO YOU KNOW WHICH ENGINE IS HE NOW RUNNING)
Spinelli

Mitsubishi from the Nederlands Riwald - X Dakar (Now powered by Ford Mustang V8 5.0)
Ten Brinke
Van Loon
Third one (TBC)

[kober]

There will be six Minis and three (or four) BMWs from X-raid, according to Sven Quandt (http://mfe-live.com/index.php/home/64-maroc/7712-trois-x-raid-au-rallye-npo-du-maroc). Minis will be driven by Peterhansel, Roma, Holowczyc, Novitskiy, Al-Mutawei (2012 World Cup winner) and possibly by Dos Santos. That would leave BMWs to Terranova, Garafulic and one (or two) another driver.

[Plan9]

Why are there so many gentlemen in the X-Raid team?

[GigiGalliNo1]

Could Nasser win in a Buggy?!

[alleskids]

Why are there so many gentlemen in the X-Raid team?

X-Raid is purely privat team, and they get their fundings from gentlemen drivers to devellop a competitive car and atrack some real top drivers. that's how Prodrvie/Mini was suppose to operate in WRC

[vino_93]

No Volvo this year ? I suppose that the project is dead after the car burnt last year ... :(

[atiwrc]

Two other entry:

Chicherit with an SMG, and Szalay with a new Opel Mokka :D

[Grant_RSA]

Toyota Team :

TOYOTA UNVEILS 2013 DAKAR RALLY LIVERY FOR TOYOTA HILUX | ProMotor (http://www.promotor.co.za/site/toyota-unveils-2013-dakar-rally-livery-toyota-hilux/?fb_comment_id=fbc_168392686633253_490974_16839302 9966552#f1303aff99ce6d9)

[ZequeArgentina]

Toyota Team :

TOYOTA UNVEILS 2013 DAKAR RALLY LIVERY FOR TOYOTA HILUX | ProMotor (http://www.promotor.co.za/site/toyota-unveils-2013-dakar-rally-livery-toyota-hilux/?fb_comment_id=fbc_168392686633253_490974_16839302 9966552#f1303aff99ce6d9)

Thanks Grant.
There have been some rumours about a Ford SouthAfrica team, which may even involve Mark Miller.
o you know somethign about it?

Another rumour in french media is that finally Carlso Sainz may partner Nasser Al Attiyah and Thierry Magnaldi in the atar 2wd Buggy project.

[kober]

Are Overdrive doing some development work on the Hilux? Or will they race the 2012 version?I'll answer myself: those Ovedrive Hiluxes are built on RSA Toyota's licence, and will have all the updates.

And, according to RSA Toyota's Glynn Hall, the 2013 version is faster by one second per km (on gravel though).

[Co-driven]

Brazilian Guilherme Spinelli will contest the next Dakar Rally in a Mitsubishi ASX.

It is an all-new prototype, based on the old Mitsubishi Racing Lancer. According to what is being said here, it was fully developed here in Brazil by Thierry Viardot (the same that was responsible for the project of the Racing Lancers and is now hired by Mitsubishi Brasil). The parts were produced here in Brazil and went to Europe to complete the montage of the car.

What I heard is that is a better car than the Racing Lancer, new engine, lighter, new weight distribution, and shorter. On the dunes, it's better, and has a better handling too.

Its debut was on the last Rallye Maroc. Spinelli won the first day and finished the event on third overall.

There won't be any other event for the car prior to the Dakar, only a few tests.

http://i49.tinypic.com/34o6n9v.jpg

http://i47.tinypic.com/246nry1.jpg

http://i45.tinypic.com/1zpmmvp.jpg

[Plan9]

Has anyone put out a DVD of this years Dakar event?

[trifonvl]

Does anyone knows when the entry list will be published?

[Grant_RSA]

Evo Dakar Hilux Passes Flies Through Shakedown Test (http://www.imperialtoyota.co.za/news/evo_dakar_hilux_passes_shakedown_test)

[Mirek]

Must see!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIBj0GGpnXA&feature=youtu.be

Aleš Loprais will start with his older car because they are not able to finish new Jamal in time (the one from last year was totaled).

[Rakad]

This is interesting, am new to this site and happy to see some analysis of the Dakar that is not available anywhere else. I agree with most of the below mentioned
but wonder how the Mitsubishi could be lighter as minimum weight is dependent on cubic capacity of the engine. If it is the same as the Racing Lancer (4 liter), then the weight would be the same (Around 1850 Kg). Also, it most probably is not a V8 with higher CC as mentioned elsewhere on this forum as then the minimum weight would be an increased one.



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[Rakad]

This is interesting, am new to this site and happy to see some analysis of the Dakar that is not available anywhere else. I agree with most of the below mentioned
but wonder how the Mitsubishi could be lighter as minimum weight is dependent on cubic capacity of the engine. If it is the same as the Racing Lancer (4 liter), then the weight would be the same (Around 1850 Kg). Also, it most probably is not a V8 with higher CC as mentioned elsewhere on this forum as then the minimum weight would be an increased one.

[Co-driven]

This is interesting, am new to this site and happy to see some analysis of the Dakar that is not available anywhere else. I agree with most of the below mentioned
but wonder how the Mitsubishi could be lighter as minimum weight is dependent on cubic capacity of the engine. If it is the same as the Racing Lancer (4 liter), then the weight would be the same (Around 1850 Kg). Also, it most probably is not a V8 with higher CC as mentioned elsewhere on this forum as then the minimum weight would be an increased one.

Regarding the weight of the car, Spinelli told me that the car is below the minimum value. So, they can add some extra weight until the car reach the minimum weight, improving the weight distribution of the car.

[Rakad]

Oh I see. Wonder whether Mitsubishi has a diesel option too? Miguel Barbosa has been pretty successful in Portugal with a Racing Lancer running a diesel engine. Maybe that option is not ready for the Dakar yet?

[Mirek]

They used works diesel Lancers in their last Dakar outing if I remember right. It was quite a disaster.

[ZequeArgentina]

They used works diesel Lancers in their last Dakar outing if I remember right. It was quite a disaster.

Yep, and after Mitsu stopped worksd involvement, most teams using Racing Lancers turned to gasoline.
3.5 V6, 4.0 V6 and even 2.0 turbo from the Lancer Evo.
Up to this year, main reason is that only a factory can have enough resources to develop diesel proto engines.

Now with new rules, Diesels are not that favoured, (I am not saying that are penalized, but in the past favoured) and gasoline bigger engines seems to be just simpler and more widely available.

In Morocco Spinelli was running a V8, in any video the noise is claerly a V8 for me.
Wevers and Van Loon Lancers (now called HRX) are running Ford Mstang V8 (5 liter).

[Rakad]

Yep, and after Mitsu stopped worksd involvement, most teams using Racing Lancers turned to gasoline.
3.5 V6, 4.0 V6 and even 2.0 turbo from the Lancer Evo.
Up to this year, main reason is that only a factory can have enough resources to develop diesel proto engines.

Now with new rules, Diesels are not that favoured, (I am not saying that are penalized, but in the past favoured) and gasoline bigger engines seems to be just simpler and more widely available.

In Morocco Spinelli was running a V8, in any video the noise is claerly a V8 for me.
Wevers and Van Loon Lancers (now called HRX) are running Ford Mstang V8 (5 liter).


Mitsubishi does not have a V8. At least that's what Wevers said when questioned on their web site as to why a Ford engine was used. Spinelli being from a Mitsubishi team might be still using an advanced spec of the V6. Yes, the sound was different when racing for the first and only time in Morocco.

[Rakad]

Could Nasser win in a Buggy?!


Anything is possible on the Dakar I guess. However very little is known about the vehicle and team. If he does, it would be a rabbit out of the hat wouldn't it?

[Rakad]

Does anyone knows when the entry list will be published?

Usually during the first week of December.

[Kielder]

It's confirmed that Sainz & Nasser are going to be teammates in the Red Bull Team. The chosen car is a two-wheel drive buggy. This is Nasser's car:

http://i50.tinypic.com/347znft.jpg

[ZequeArgentina]

Mitsubishi does not have a V8. At least that's what Wevers said when questioned on their web site as to why a Ford engine was used. Spinelli being from a Mitsubishi team might be still using an advanced spec of the V6. Yes, the sound was different when racing for the first and only time in Morocco.

As you said, Wevers has no particular interest in running a Mitsubishi.

In the case of Spinelli, yes as he is sponsored by Mitisubishi Motors Brasil.
But Spinelli is in priority list, and suported by manufacturer, so it is mandatory to use a production engine (T2 eligible engine).
Having Mr. Viardot (Ex Ralliart technical chief) being the man back to Spinelli´S ASX, and also Viardot having helped Wevers on the adaptation to Mustangs V8, I assume Spinelli runs the same Mustang V8, but will no be mentioned anywhere.

[trifonvl]

Usually during the first week of December.

Thanks!

[Co-driven]

As you said, Wevers has no particular interest in running a Mitsubishi.

In the case of Spinelli, yes as he is sponsored by Mitisubishi Motors Brasil.
But Spinelli is in priority list, and suported by manufacturer, so it is mandatory to use a production engine (T2 eligible engine).
Having Mr. Viardot (Ex Ralliart technical chief) being the man back to Spinelli´S ASX, and also Viardot having helped Wevers on the adaptation to Mustangs V8, I assume Spinelli runs the same Mustang V8, but will no be mentioned anywhere.


Spinelli said they are using an Aston Martin engine (I don't know if it's V8 or V6).

By the way, Mitsubishi Brazil is the official vehicle supplier for the Dakar, there will be almost 50 cars produced here in Brazil available for the staff of the event.

[ZequeArgentina]

Aston Martin engine? that could be a wise move.
It is more acceptable for Mitsubisho to use a more exclusive engine than Ford or other real competitor. No Mitsu competes with an Aston Martin.

Aston Martin was Ford brand until recently, it may even have same base blocks an engines, but I am not an expert of aston Martin so no comments on that side

[Rakad]

Aston Martin engine? that could be a wise move.
It is more acceptable for Mitsubisho to use a more exclusive engine than Ford or other real competitor. No Mitsu competes with an Aston Martin.

Aston Martin was Ford brand until recently, it may even have same base blocks an engines, but I am not an expert of aston Martin so no comments on that side


Thank you for this insight.
It would be nice to see if all competitors reveal basic spec of vehicles when the drivers list is published.

[Rakad]

Spinelli said they are using an Aston Martin engine (I don't know if it's V8 or V6).

By the way, Mitsubishi Brazil is the official vehicle supplier for the Dakar, there will be almost 50 cars produced here in Brazil available for the staff of the event.


The Aston Martin V8 Vantage is equipped with a 4.7 liter V8 producing 420 bhp and 346 lbft torque. Perhaps this is the engine in Spinelli's Mitsu?

[atiwrc]

Opel Dakar Team unveiled Balázs Szalay's new car for the 2013 Dakar.
http://dakar.hu/pic/daka5992_24503.jpg

Specifications, Promo video, Pictures of the test here:
Opel Dakar Team (http://dakar.hu/site.php?id=2&dlang=hu&hir_id=2639)

[GigiGalliNo1]

So VW aren't the main supplier nor entering? :(

[Kielder]

http://i48.tinypic.com/24e8jsz.jpg
http://i46.tinypic.com/axbpyf.jpg
http://i49.tinypic.com/2vxrsy0.jpg

[Kielder]

Qatar Red Bull Team's buggies were designed and built in California. Now Gottschalk will be Sainz's co-driver and Cruz Nasser's (it seems the Qatari has imposed that Cruz had to be his co-driver).

[Rakad]

So VW aren't the main supplier nor entering? :(

Yup.. not anymore.. everybody wants to win and looks like they were cheesed off with the new regulations which made them less competitive

[EightGear]

Entry list. competitors list :D akar (http://www.dakar.com/dakar/2013/us/rider/rider-list-bikes.html)

[Rakad]

Competitor list:

looks like it's mixed up. They got the wrong car for the driver?

[EightGear]

Competitor list:

looks like it's mixed up. They got the wrong car for the driver?

Yes indeed a lot of mistakes.

[A FONDO]

looks like they were cheesed off with the new regulations which made them less competitive
The truth is exactly the opposite, VW had left the competition and finally (suddenly, coincidentially) the atmosferics were given some air to breath.

[ZequeArgentina]

Competitor list:

looks like it's mixed up. They got the wrong car for the driver?
They have corrected most of the big mistakes.
Still some of them remain (sometimes when there is individual information from the driver you get the correct vehicle)

[noel157]

What power unit is in Nasser's buggy?

[Kielder]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7Ld-UW2a2I&feature=player_embedded

[kober]

The buggy is a monster (errr, a bull rather).

BTW. What's up with drivers' caps? Couldn't afford new ones?

[kober]

Entry list. competitors list :D akar (http://www.dakar.com/dakar/2013/us/rider/rider-list-bikes.html)So, no Gordon or a Hummer on the list?

Other than that, the list of the major entries looks very promising:

Qatar Red Bull:
- AL-ATTIYAH/CRUZ
- SAINZ/GOTTSCHALK

Monster X-raid Mini:
- PETERHANSEL/COTTRET
- ROMA/PERIN
- NOVITSKIY/ZHILTSOV
- HOLOWCZYC/PALMEIRO

Imperial Toyota:
- DE VILLIERS/VON ZITZEWITZ
- VON DUNCAN/HOWIE

Overdrive Toyota:
- ALVAREZ/GRAUE
- VAN MERKSTEIJN/CHEVAILLIER
- MALYSZ/MARTON

SMG:
- CHICHERIT/GARCIN

Mitsubishi Brazil:
- SPINELLI/HADDAD

[MartijnS]

Joost is going there to make daily video updates of van Merksteijn :)

http://sphotos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/231079_497147820319338_138456417_n.jpg

[Rakad]

They have corrected most of the big mistakes.
Still some of them remain (sometimes when there is individual information from the driver you get the correct vehicle)


Yes.. and you were spot on about the V8 for Spinelli's car. It is also more or less confirmed that it's an Aston Martin engine (4.7 l). Output is low though, probably because of the air restrictor.

[TyPat107]

So, no Gordon or a Hummer on the list? :up:

Then who will be either super arrogant or super whiny this year?

[ZequeArgentina]

So, no Gordon or a Hummer on the list?

Other than that, the list of the major entries looks very promising:

Qatar Red Bull:
- AL-ATTIYAH/CRUZ
- SAINZ/GOTTSCHALK

Monster X-raid Mini:
- PETERHANSEL/COTTRET
- ROMA/PERIN
- NOVITSKIY/ZHILTSOV
- HOLOWCZYC/PALMEIRO

Imperial Toyota:
- DE VILLIERS/VON ZITZEWITZ
- VON DUNCAN/HOWIE

Overdrive Toyota:
- ALVAREZ/GRAUE
- VAN MERKSTEIJN/CHEVAILLIER
- MALYSZ/MARTON

SMG:
- CHICHERIT/GARCIN

Mitsubishi Brazil:
- SPINELLI/HADDAD
I agree with yourlist.

I would add:
Terranova (BMW X3cc)
Carlos Sousa (Great Wall by SMG)
Ten Brinkke (Mitsubishi Racing Lancer, renamed HRX and with Ford Mustang V8 Engine)

[kober]

I would add:
Terranova (BMW X3cc)
Carlos Sousa (Great Wall by SMG)
Ten Brinkke (Mitsubishi Racing Lancer, renamed HRX and with Ford Mustang V8 Engine)If it was just for driver's skill, I'd add them to the list, but their machinery don't seem to be on par with the others on the list. I'd be more than happy to be positevely surprised by the HRX Lancers, though :)

And, in terms of winning, my money's on De Villiers, altough the victors from the last three years (Peterhansel, Al-Attiyah, Sainz) won't sell their skins for cheap. Either way, one of these four should be the first to win two SA Dakars. In my humble opinion.

[kober]

Then who will be either super arrogant or super whiny this year?I know the question is rhetoric, but I'll anwer anyways: Hopefully nobody, as we don't really need swearing "on air".

[TyPat107]

I know the question is rhetoric, but I'll anwer anyways: Hopefully nobody, as we don't really need swearing "on air".

Exactly. The United States doesn't generally have much to offer the world of motorsport outside of NASCAR, so when we do I always hope we show some maturity, tact, or humility. Sadly we don't very often.

[Rakad]

If it was just for driver's skill, I'd add them to the list, but their machinery don't seem to be on par with the others on the list. I'd be more than happy to be positevely surprised by the HRX Lancers, though :)

And, in terms of winning, my money's on De Villiers, altough the victors from the last three years (Peterhansel, Al-Attiyah, Sainz) won't sell their skins for cheap. Either way, one of these four should be the first to win two SA Dakars. In my humble opinion.

My money is on Peterhansel because I feel the best combination, men and machinery is with the Xraid team. I might even add Nani Roma ahead of the steady De Villiers as I dont think the Toyotas are up there with the performance yet.

[GigiGalliNo1]

Didn't Gordon's team built the Qatar cars?

Anyways, do people think Nasser and Sainz have a chance to win a 2WD buggy against the MINI's?!

Are the French still building it (the MINI X-Raids) or now another company? I recall when Prodrive began having issues with BMW support, the French company had issues with BMW as well....

[TyPat107]

I thought someone said the cars were built in California and I believe Gordon's team is in North Carolina. And I wouldn't expect Nasser to work with Gordon again after last year.

[Kielder]

Didn't Gordon's team built the Qatar cars?


Jefferies Racing, CA.

[kober]

Are the French still building it (the MINI X-Raids) or now another company? I recall when Prodrive began having issues with BMW support, the French company had issues with BMW as well....X-raid (http://www.x-raid.de)? The company has been based in Trebur near Frankfurt (am Main) in Hesse, Germany. And yes, they were building X5s, X3s, and now they're building the Minis. All with diesel engines.

[alleskids]

Didn't Gordon's team built the Qatar cars?

Anyways, do people think Nasser and Sainz have a chance to win a 2WD buggy against the MINI's?!

Are the French still building it (the MINI X-Raids) or now another company? I recall when Prodrive began having issues with BMW support, the French company had issues with BMW as well....

x-raid is German.

[Humber]

X Raid is the team but the chassis builders have been Heggemann Autosport?
new dimension - X-raid - Home (http://www.x-raid.de/en/home.htm)
HEGGEMANN Autosport GmbH - The Production Community - The best come together. (http://www.sam-mercedes.com/index.php?id=042) (Heggemann contributor to the SAM project with similar design elements to the Dakar Mini.)

[GigiGalliNo1]

Cool. Thanks guys!

[Rakad]

Didn't Gordon's team built the Qatar cars?

Anyways, do people think Nasser and Sainz have a chance to win a 2WD buggy against the MINI's?!

Are the French still building it (the MINI X-Raids) or now another company? I recall when Prodrive began having issues with BMW support, the French company had issues with BMW as well....

yes, regulation is such that 2WD buggies are in with a chance to win. Copious amounts of horse power, light weight, longer wheel travel suspension and large diameter wheels are some of the regulations in their favor. Note that Schlesser won two Dakars in a row with a 2WD buggy.

[Mirek]

How many legs in sand dunes are present in 2013 edition? I guess the deep sand is better for buggies while the mountain hard and twisty roads would favor 4WD cars.

[Rakad]

How many legs in sand dunes are present in 2013 edition? I guess the deep sand is better for buggies while the mountain hard and twisty roads would favor 4WD cars.

All indications are that there are more dunes this year. For the first time the rally starts in the middle of the dunes and is said to contain the longest chain of dunes since 2009.

[kober]

Guerlain is back: Guerlain CHICHERIT - Préparation DAKAR 2013 | Youtube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFUjwC0QLww)

[ZequeArgentina]

How many legs in sand dunes are present in 2013 edition? I guess the deep sand is better for buggies while the mountain hard and twisty roads would favor 4WD cars.

ou may be surprised, but those 2wd cars, with bigger wheels, longer travel, and defla/inflate system, do work better un sand, moreover becauseof their extra horsepower.
In twisty road, there is a lt of differences between a Hummer (extra long travel and enormous wheels, than for isntance a SMG, but yes traction out of corners is better in twisty roads.
Most advantage? when there is water or mud involved. (there is always some part with it in Dakar)

[Rakad]

Mini Motor Sports website now updated including analysis of route.

[Rakad]

Dakar / MINI Motorsport (http://www.minimotorsport.com/en/dakar)

[MartijnS]

Robby Gordon will be there after all :)
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[Co-driven]

Some videos of the 3-day testing session Mitsubishi Brasil had on Morocco last October:

ASX TESTES MARROCOS DIA 1 2012 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=4_leMoRBmLk)

ASX TESTES MARROCOS DIA 2 2012 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ch4e0r1LKZs&feature=g-subs-u)

ASX TESTES MARROCOS DIA 3 2012 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__5VJOmgWw8&feature=g-subs-u)

[Rakad]

Nice. Wonder why website is not updated.
Equipe Mitsubishi Petrobras | Mitsubishi Motors Brasil | A Equipe Mitsubishi Petrobras é formada pelo piloto Guilherme Spinelli e o navegador Youssef Haddad. A dupla compete a bordo do Mitsubishi Lancer Racing. (http://mundomitsubishi.com.br/blog/)

[Co-driven]

Nice. Wonder why website is not updated.
Equipe Mitsubishi Petrobras | Mitsubishi Motors Brasil | A Equipe Mitsubishi Petrobras é formada pelo piloto Guilherme Spinelli e o navegador Youssef Haddad. A dupla compete a bordo do Mitsubishi Lancer Racing. (http://mundomitsubishi.com.br/blog/)


I don't know either. But last weekend a press release was published with information about the new car.

This whole project was made with some sort of secrecy, nobody knew about it until the debut in Morocco.

[Rakad]

I don't know either. But last weekend a press release was published with information about the new car.

This whole project was made with some sort of secrecy, nobody knew about it until the debut in Morocco.


It might be in order to ensure that expectations are not too high given Mitsubishi's illustrious track record in the Dakar. The new project which is not in the scale of the previous factory team is probably still at an early stage of development as per Spinelli's comments in the competitor list of the rally.

[Plan9]

How can they call this race Dakar when it is not raced in the geographical location, which has the same name?

[Mirek]

Because it's a trademark now.

[Sulland]

According to Dagbladet.no - forsiden (http://www.db.no) Petter Solberg has an offer to drive this edition of Dakar for a top team, possibly Mini.
Petter says he think it is too little time for preparation, but has not turned it down.

[Humber]

A few Dakar links .
Dakar 2013 Preview Stephane Peterhansel - YouTube (http://youtu.be/YnaKP0_jY8w) (Peterhansel - 2013)
2013 Dakar Rally Preview: Nani Roma - YouTube (http://youtu.be/rA2RQSXx7I4) (Roma - 2013)
PreDakar - YouTube (http://youtu.be/kTWnGeomfao) (Gordon - 2013)
Rally Dakar 2013 Marc Coma Profile - YouTube (http://youtu.be/KZ2GFqMy9nI) (Coma - 2013)
Meet 4X Dakar Rally Champion Cyril Despres - YouTube (http://youtu.be/HcS7Tm6lUPQ) (Depres - 2013)
RENAULT DUSTER @ Dakar 2013 rally, Peru - Argentina - Chile - YouTube (http://youtu.be/Ky1sTk7T0vk) (Renault)
Dakar 2013 Scrutineering - YouTube (http://youtu.be/3DKXq-5T9cg) (Dakar - Scrutineering )

[Rakad]

More interesting Mitsus: No. 358 Alta Ruta 4x4 team,
Alta Ruta 4x4 - Dakar 2013 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mz_iOloYFxk)
ALTA RUTA 4X4 RUMBO AL DAKAR 2013 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Et6SZ1xhfP8)
Going by the size of the wheels it looks like a L200 in the buggy class( 2WD). Anybody know the specs of this vehicle?

No. 356,
An ASX with a 3.0 liter V6 turbo diesel. Maybe the original prototype engine first seen in the Racing Lancer. Weight is quite heavy at 2300Kg. Anybody familiar with the regulations regarding use of prototype engines?

Cheers.



Some videos of the 3-day testing session Mitsubishi Brasil had on Morocco last October:

ASX TESTES MARROCOS DIA 1 2012 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=4_leMoRBmLk)

ASX TESTES MARROCOS DIA 2 2012 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ch4e0r1LKZs&feature=g-subs-u)

ASX TESTES MARROCOS DIA 3 2012 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__5VJOmgWw8&feature=g-subs-u)

[ZequeArgentina]

Rakad, The Peruvian L200 looks like a well preapred stock L200: It does not seems to be a 2wd buggy with an L200 body. It really seems the stock body.
Very nice presentation of the Peruvian team_!


Regarding the ASX, it is definately not a diesel, it is an Aston Martin V8 gasoline 4.8 ( or 4.7 or something close to that), developed based on the Racing Lancer by Thierry Viardot, ex-Ralliart tech leader-

[GigiGalliNo1]

The Van Merksteijn iPhone Dakar app looks good! Check it out! Might be for Android too!

[Rasantes]

Marc Coma at the end result falls into the category of motorcycles. Already have replacement within KTM, will occupy its place Kurt Caselli.

[Rakad]

Rakad, The Peruvian L200 looks like a well preapred stock L200: It does not seems to be a 2wd buggy with an L200 body. It really seems the stock body.
Very nice presentation of the Peruvian team_!


Regarding the ASX, it is definately not a diesel, it is an Aston Martin V8 gasoline 4.8 ( or 4.7 or something close to that), developed based on the Racing Lancer by Thierry Viardot, ex-Ralliart tech leader-

Quite true. The name itself of the Peruvian L200 team suggests 4x4. Think I got a little confused with the promo video with a vehicle which was not No.358 suggested otherwise.
The ASX am referring to is No. 356 on the competitors list. Not Spinelli's. The Rider Sheet data states that it is a diesel.

Cheers.

[r199]

The Van Merksteijn iPhone Dakar app looks good! Check it out! Might be for Android too!

The google play version of the app will be online before the start of the rally

Joost Schouten (from the rallymedia vids) who is a member here is going there for the Van Merksteijn team
making vids and updating the app

[Co-driven]

The ASX am referring to is No. 356 on the competitors list. Not Spinelli's. The Rider Sheet data states that it is a diesel.

Cheers.

Apparently it's a prototype:

http://i47.tinypic.com/s3oaz4.png

http://i48.tinypic.com/34smlbs.jpg

[TyPat107]

Is it me or is that car a Citroen C4 with an impreza hood scoop, and different headlights?

[r199]

Meet the Team Kamaz Master

[url=http://youtu.be/npSOLEAYsc4]Промо-ролик команды КÐ

[Rakad]

Is it me or is that car a Citroen C4 with an impreza hood scoop, and different headlights?


Yes indeed for the front view.

[Kielder]

Here (http://www.el4x4.com/spa/item/ART09629.html) you can find Cruz's comments (in Spanish) of the fourteen stages.

[ZequeArgentina]

Apparently it's a prototype:

http://i47.tinypic.com/s3oaz4.png

http://i48.tinypic.com/34smlbs.jpg

Sorry, my mistake.
Yes, that prototype was built by Jaton 4wd, and Argentinean team (or half spanish) with facilities both in Argentina and Spain.
It was born as with a Citroen C4 shape, and late this year, "changed" to Mitsubishi. Driver will be Peruvian Orlandini.

It does have a Diesel engine, probably a Toyota from the Hilux. This last part is my suposition as Jaton runs several Hilux T2 (or almost T2) Xavi Foj last year winner of T2 (With a Toyota Prado, same engine than Hilux) and a Hilux T1 proto also with the same 3.0 diesel engine.
It makes sense that this proto running a Diesel would also use a Toyota engine (logistics wise) but what a Frankenstein that would be:
Toyota Engine, Citroen C4 shape, and Mitsu badge and denomination!

[Kielder]

X-raid Media Guide Dakar 2013 (http://issuu.com/x-raid/docs/x-raid_dakar-2013_media-guide)

[Rakad]

Sorry, my mistake.
Yes, that prototype was built by Jaton 4wd, and Argentinean team (or half spanish) with facilities both in Argentina and Spain.
It was born as with a Citroen C4 shape, and late this year, "changed" to Mitsubishi. Driver will be Peruvian Orlandini.

It does have a Diesel engine, probably a Toyota from the Hilux. This last part is my suposition as Jaton runs several Hilux T2 (or almost T2) Xavi Foj last year winner of T2 (With a Toyota Prado, same engine than Hilux) and a Hilux T1 proto also with the same 3.0 diesel engine.
It makes sense that this proto running a Diesel would also use a Toyota engine (logistics wise) but what a Frankenstein that would be:
Toyota Engine, Citroen C4 shape, and Mitsu badge and denomination!

Ah thanks. Lets see how it performs. I guess reaching the finish line would be a great achievement given that Orlandini is a Rookie.

[vino_93]

Is it Orlandini who made rally ?

[ZequeArgentina]

Yes Orlandini is a rally driver.

[Humber]

Test run for Toyota Hilux.
Toyota Dakar 2013: The Imperial Toyota Hilux 4 - YouTube (http://youtu.be/iYQGQPPY9AY)

[Kielder]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMOlCUUQNsk&feature=player_embedded

[r199]

Bernhard ten Brinke (car 304) of the Riwald Dakar Team will not ride the dakar, His mother is ferry ill and he whants to stay whit his Familly in this divicult time.

[Rasantes]

Carlos Sainz has a twitter account and will put things day by day on the race.

twitter.com/CSainz_oficial

[Rakad]

Bernhard ten Brinke (car 304) of the Riwald Dakar Team will not ride the dakar, His mother is ferry ill and he whants to stay whit his Familly in this divicult time.

Our thoughts and prayers are with him.

[Kielder]

Photo of Sainz's car, tweeted by him. He'll test it tomorrow.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A_oO6UZCcAA-ZaA.jpg:large

[MartijnS]

Joost has arrived too with the van Merksteijn team.
Today they had a test, where also Nasser was testing, great car he said, very big jumps already! :)

During the rally he will post some photos on our Facebook page, to give an impression of the days.
FIrst one is there:

http://sphotos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/270280_398587963562512_866062701_n.jpg

More to follow at http://facebook.com/rallymedia ! :)

[Kielder]

View of some of the vehicles in Lima:

http://ep00.epimg.net/deportes/imagenes/2013/01/03/actualidad/1357245078_867099_1357245665_noticia_grande.jpg

[Kielder]

These are even better:

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/430797_236513689815349_1934599732_n.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/224830_236515403148511_296619376_n.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/320956_236513199815398_1555931428_n.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/418126_236513316482053_1689464214_n.jpg

[Kielder]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A_wshkeCEAAncLI.jpg:large

[MartijnS]

First video of the shakedown of yesterday online :)
English subtitles follow starting from the next video!

Van Merksteijn Motorsport - Dakar 2013 - Shakedown - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RP2G2bbHdg)

[Kielder]

Today, the stage's times will be multiplied fivefold.

[Kielder]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4T9GWT6LIY&list=PL9wG6TzjCVy11VZEFMDlHzOH TLqJJ_fVR&index=1

[Rakad]

Today, the stage's times will be multiplied fivefold.

Does this mean that Gordon is already one hour behind the leaders?

[alleskids]

time difference moto's are x5
cars (and trucks i assume) x3

[dupanton]

Now Dakar on Eurosport (than Janner Rally)

[Plan9]

Now Dakar on Eurosport (than Janner Rally)

Did anyone upload footage to youtube?

[TyPat107]

Does this mean that Gordon is already one hour behind the leaders?

Favorite headline from todays stage is (translated) "Robbie Gordon, He spoke much...was short lived."

[ProRally]

Favorite headline from todays stage is (translated) "Robbie Gordon, He spoke much...was short lived."

On the Dakar site, he said regarding Nasser's and Carlos buggy, 'My 4 year old son can design a better one'........
Robbie you had your chance last year and blew it.... and now for 2013 seems again...

[alleskids]

Twitter / Rallymaniacs: Picture of the day | Peter ... (http://twitter.com/Rallymaniacs/status/287716664424935424/photo/1)
what Gordon can do, Van den Bosch can do better, with a truck

[Kielder]

time difference moto's are x5
cars (and trucks i assume) x3

Yes, at the beginning cars and trucks were x5, but it was changed later to x3 :) .

[Mirek]

What is a purpose of that multiplying? To me it looks like another stupid idea for teenager audience...

[alleskids]

i think it was to make it a serieus stage, and stop drivers doing what they did at Rally Australia, driving slow so they do not win the stage and have to open the sunday stage.

[A FONDO]

Opening the stage in offroad is a completely different thing

[MartijnS]

Two more of Joost his videos, an impression of the first 3 days.

Van Merksteijn Motorsport - Dakar 2013 - Three days in Lima - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0klS6EPYfI)

First stage and the liaison to the start :)

Van Merksteijn Motorsport - Dakar 2013 - Stage 1 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_hfrfFiw8A)

[MAXLD]

On the Dakar site, he said regarding Nasser's and Carlos buggy, 'My 4 year old son can design a better one'........

Really? He should hire his son to design one for him then, instead of driving a giant brick (even has the same colour)... who designed that thing? A chimp with a square ruler? :p :... seems it wasn't his best work either. :D

[A FONDO]

Really? He should hire his son to design one for him then, instead of driving a giant brick (even has the same colour)... who designed that thing? A chimp with a square ruler? :p :... seems it wasn't his best work either. :D

RG has designet every nut on his truck himself, about the aerodynamics he got support from GM, they let him use their aerodynamic tunnel.

[ProRally]

RG has designet every nut on his truck himself, about the aerodynamics he got support from GM, they let him use their aerodynamic tunnel.

Still no reason to say what he did about a driver who paid him a LOT of $$$ last year, which RG was more then happy to accept...

[stefanvv]

Really? He should hire his son to design one for him then, instead of driving a giant brick (even has the same colour)... who designed that thing? A chimp with a square ruler? :p :... seems it wasn't his best work either. :D

The buggies are always ugly, they just don't have the fine lines of cars.

[alleskids]

Al Attiyah drove even more crazier then Robbie, he broke the car too many times in the stages, which costed Gordon time when he had to help Al Attiyah. Gordon spoke some nasty worrds about Al Attiyah, they are absolutly no friends (anymore). Gordon did not have much luck wth teammates in the Dakar rally. In 2011 he had a guy from Chile as teammate, who drove past him when Gordon was stopped with technical issues.
Either he chooses the wrong men or no one can match Robby Gordons standerds

[A FONDO]

Still no reason to say what he did about a driver who paid him a LOT of $$$ last year, which RG was more then happy to accept...

I cant figure out what do you mean?

[vino_93]

intersting stage today ... lot of time losing by some guys in auto. Peterhansel, de Villiers, Chabot and Terranova are the only one who didn't lose to many time. Then there is Novitsky (+9), Al Attiyah (+11), Alvarez (+13), Holowczyc (+14), Sainz (+18), Roma (24) Chicherit (+32), and others who are not arrived seems to be far. Vasilyev is doing a nice stage too, a bit surprising with his car ! arf, in live I see him stuck ...
Guys lost times with a difficult WPS to find.

In moto same thing, and good stage for Husqvarna boys (Barreda 1st and Fish 3rd). Some surprising guys in the T10 (Caselli, Curtis, Israel).
General after leg 2 (maybe some penalties will arrive ?)
1 Barreda (Hu)
2 Faria (K) 5'17
3 Casteu (Y) 6'53
4 Pedrero (K) 6'55
5 Despres (K) 8'39
6 Rodrigues (Ho) 9'05
7 Fish (Hu) 9'13
8 Ullevalster (K) 9'14
9 Curtis (K) 9'50
10 Israel (Ho) 9'55


And in truck, Stacey had an accident.

[eestlane]

What happend with Nasser and Sainz?

[MartijnS]

Benediktas Vanagas (458) rolled in front of Joost in the beginning of the stage.

[ProRally]

I cant figure out what do you mean?

Taking Nasser's budget last year, and now on official Dakar website he says 'my 4 year old son could design better car' referring to the buggy's Nasser and Carlos are using.... if he would be the only one to make a car in the USA .

[ProRally]

Benediktas Vanagas (458) rolled in front of Joost in the beginning of the stage.

Did Benediktas continue ?

[MartijnS]

Yeah, he continued.

[MAXLD]

What happend with Nasser and Sainz?

Sainz:


Possibly a GPS problem

We need to have a look at the GPS, there may be something wrong with it. We went through certain points two or three times without them being validated, until we thought "too bad, let's move on" and, after 15 km, it went back to normal... I don't know, we need to have a look at it. in: Dakar website

[aliukonisandrius]

any news for benediktas 458

[MartijnS]

No, all I know is that he rolled in a righthand corner at quite a high speed, but could continue with some damage to the car.

[MartijnS]

I think the crash will be shown on Eurosport. His shot was just on Dutch tv allready.

[EightGear]

Did Joost film the crash on RTL7?

[Mirek]

it looks like time of Sainz was changed and he is new leg winner.

[Fri]

and Nasser is the last in overall ranking after day2. What could happen?
132. AL-ATTIYAH (QAT) CRUZ (ESP) BUGGY 12:02:15 +09:07:00 behind the leader, 1 hour penalty: 01:00:0

[Kielder]

it looks like time of Sainz was changed and he is new leg winner.

Yes, it was proved that the GPS didn't work well. At a way point it didn't validate, so Sainz spent 21'26" trying to activate it passing by the way point at least three times. Then, he decided to move on and after a few kms the GPS suddenly showed the way point validated. Officials checked Sainz's itinerary and decided to discount those minutes.

[MartijnS]

Did Joost film the crash on RTL7?

Yes, that was his shot :)

[Humber]

Sainz in lead again.
We're rock! » Dakar Rally (http://www.racing5.cl/rock/category/dakar/) Think I prefer the wrc timing. Was it 15 kms before the gps 'kicked in' again ? An entire wrc stage length.

[Kielder]

and Nasser is the last in overall ranking after day2. What could happen?
132. AL-ATTIYAH (QAT) CRUZ (ESP) BUGGY 12:02:15 +09:07:00 behind the leader, 1 hour penalty: 01:00:0

An hour is the penalty if you miss a way point :confused: .

[bluuford]

If you look at the times then you can see that his overall bad time and 1 hour penalty originates from stage 1. He was second there. So, there must be some kind of mistake

I missed that last parts. yes it reads of only 1 brand new Toyota, for De Villiers

[drive]

Vanagas nr458 crash on day 2 youtube.com/watch?v=s-IfUI5g0nI

[MartijnS]

Van Merksteijn - Stage 2 :)

Van Merksteijn Motorsport - Dakar 2013 - Stage 2 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5lT0v7S6Rs)

[Rakad]

If you look at the times then you can see that his overall bad time and 1 hour penalty originates from stage 1. He was second there. So, there must be some kind of mistake

Looks like the organizers are facing some technical glitches. I think we'll see many more time revisions for the concluded two stages going by comments made by Lavieille(Buggy Juke)

[bluuford]

Vanagas nr458 crash on day 2 youtube.com/watch?v=s-IfUI5g0nI
There is over 200km of stage in emty desert.. and he decides to roll just infront of the camera...

[Bartek]

Holowczyc had crash after 40km, i heard big one

[Kielder]

If you look at the times then you can see that his overall bad time and 1 hour penalty originates from stage 1. He was second there. So, there must be some kind of mistake

It's confirmed that Nasser's penalty was a mistake :) .
At the moment, Monsieur Dakar leads the overall at WP6, 2º Sainz +4'01", 3º Al-Attiyah +6'23".

[dimviii]

Mini All4 Racing's Polish driver Krzysztof Hołowczyc has crashed in the dune area around km 40 of the special. He was immediately assisted by the rescue team and seems to have hurt his ribs and back.


ARGENTINA CHILE PERU DAKAR 2013 (http://gaps.dakar.com/2013/dakar/stage-03/aso/ukie.php)

[Plan9]

Has anyone uploaded coverage yet?

[vino_93]

Sainz had mechanical problems, he lost lot of times. Nasser win the stage by around 1' on Gordon and 3' on Peterhansel. On general classification Peter leads more than 6' ahed of Nasser. Other are far, as de Villiers who lost 31' !
And I saw Orlandini, he had lot of mechanical trouble ... don't know if he could restart.

In moto lot of change too. Husqvarna lost lot of time (don't know why), and Despres takes first position. Lopez wins the stage. At the opposite of cars it's still very closed in overall.
Alain Duclos changes his engine yesterday (in advance of 3 days), so he had a penalty. Without he would be 7th.
General classification :
1 Despres (KTM)
2 Lopez (KTM) 2'51
3 Ullevalseter (KTM) 4'59
4 Pain (Yamaha) 6'03
5 Casteu (Yamaha) 6'08
6 Israel (Honda) 6'19
7 Verhoeven (Yamaha) 8'08
8 Viladoms (Husqvarna) 9'08
9 Svitko (KTM) 9'40
10 Przygonsky (KTM) 9'45
11 Faria (KTM) 10'47
12 Botturi (Husqvarna) 10'59
13 Curtis (KTM) 11'19
14 Gouet (Honda) 11'32
15 Rodriguez (KTM) 14'53
16 GOncalves (Husqvarna) 19'45 (+15', so I suppose he changes his engine)
17 Jakes (KTM) 19'55
18 Barreda (Husqvarna) 20'04
19 Caselli (KTM) 20'34
20 ******ter (Yamaha) 20'53
...
26 Duclos (Sherco) 24'12 (+15')
...
28 Rodrigues (Honda) 24'58
...
31 Fish (Husqvarna) 26'12

Really disappointing perf by Honda ...

[aliukonisandrius]

vanagas nr458 news if anybody know? please

[vino_93]

car classification after leg 31
1 Peterhansel (Mini)
2 Al Attiyah (Buggy) 6'33
3 Alvarez (Toyota) 18'11
4 Novitskiy (Mini) 21'10
5 Sainz (Buggy) 21'16
6 de Villiers (Toyota) 30'22
7 Roma (Mini) 32'56
8 Terranova (BMW) 35'13
9 Errandonea (SMG) 38'32
10 Chabot (SMG) 39'40
11 Chicherit (SMG) 43'13
12 Gadasin (G Force) 43'49
13 Gordon (Hummer) 46'47
14 Wevers (HRX) 54'28
15 Garafulic (Mini) 58'14
...
17 Sousa (Great Wall) 1h4'43
...
20 Spinelli (Mitsu) 1h15'55
...
25 Vos (Toyota) 1h45'43

Quad :
1 Patronelli (Yamaha)
2 Husseini (Honda) 21'18
3 Casale (Yamaha) 29'38
4 Sonik (Yamaha) 33'36
5 Gonzalez (Yamaha) 37'18

Truck :
1 De Rooy (Iveco)
2 Loprais (Tatra) 6'59
3 Biasion (Iveco) 13'26
4 Nikolaev (Kamaz) 21'44
5 Versluis (Man) 28'21
6 Kolomy (Tatra) 38'15
7 Mardeev (Kamaz) 43'27
8 Van den Brink (Ginaf) 51'57
9 Ardavichus (Kamaz) 1h06'44
10 Stacey (Iveco) 1h12'53

[r199]

Peter V Merkesteijn rold 8 times out of the dakar

[aliukonisandrius]

vanagas 458 ? news

[Georgi]

Peter V Merkesteijn rold 8 times out of the dakar

Rolled 8 times ?
Out of the race ?

[r199]

vanagas 458 ? news

found somthing



458 - VANAGAS Benediktas (LTU)
OSC wp1
+01:37:35
(124) wp2
+02:43:36
(130)

[r199]

Rolled 8 times ?
Out of the race ?

yup roled 8 times

latest team update: from @VMMotorsport Peter and Eddy did not use the Helicopter and are waiting for assistance. Maybe a little chance. More info later

[Bartek]

yup roled 8 times

latest team update: from @VMMotorsport Peter and Eddy did not use the Helicopter and are waiting for assistance. Maybe a little chance. More info later

i heard that his car is broken.

Holowczyc car looks perfect but i think impact was unbelievable... https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/64003_10151185818631960_347711895_n.jpg

[Kielder]

About Vanagas, at least crew is OK:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=FqD-eISyV-U

[makinen_fan]

Amazing pic of Vladimir Vasilyev

http://sphotos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/544042_472645562794756_2005210239_n.jpg

[Grant_RSA]

Sadly Duncan Vos is also out, Chassis is to badly damaged to continue.

[alleskids]

also Van Merksteijn out of the rally, too much damage.

so 2 Toyota's out plus 1 Mini

[Mirek]

Truck :
1 De Rooy (Iveco)
2 Loprais (Tatra) 6'59
3 Biasion (Iveco) 13'26
4 Nikolaev (Kamaz) 21'44
5 Versluis (Man) 28'21
6 Kolomy (Tatra) 38'15
7 Mardeev (Kamaz) 43'27
8 Van den Brink (Ginaf) 51'57
9 Ardavichus (Kamaz) 1h06'44
10 Stacey (Iveco) 1h12'53

Kolomý was driving yesterday without turbocharger due to broken flange. Another Czech trucks had problems as Valtr (Liaz) lost turbo hose and the repair took half an hour. Vildman hurt his back in a big hole he hit.

[bluuford]

is it true that the decision to delete some time from Carlos overall time in SS2 was cancelled and he got his initial time back again? Things get complicated here..

[Mad cat jnr]

03:01 : RACE OFFICIALS’ DECISION
The race officials for the car category,After having examined the report made by the Race Director,After discussions with the Race Director,After discussions with competitor number 303,After discussions with technical service provider ERTF,Have taken the following decision:Cancelation of the decision taken previously by the Race Management, on the following basis:The Race Management took its decision on 6th January 2013 further to a claim from competitor 303 on the basis of partial technical analysis proving that the main GPS experienced malfunctions.Comprehensive and more detailed analysis, based on the final report made by ERTF, in fact revealed that the second GPS was functioning correctly


From dakar site.

[Kielder]

is it true that the decision to delete some time from Carlos overall time in SS2 was cancelled and he got his initial time back again? Things get complicated here..

Yes, it's true. Mini appealed yesterday and officials admitted it because drivers have a second GPS on cars and it was proved it was working well. Nevertheless, Sainz uses it as mileometer.
Sainz isn't very happy with this, mainly because yesterday he was the first on the road for nothing. IMHO officials should have checked the second GPS after the second leg.

[alleskids]

1. Stephane Peterhansel X-raid Mini 05:34:26
2. Nasser Al-Attiyah Red Bull Buggy + 06m33s
3. Lucio Alvarez Overdrive Toyota + 18m11s
4. Leonid Novitskiy X-raid Mini + 21m10s
5. Giniel de Villiers Imperial Toyota + 30m22s
6. Nani Roma X-raid Mini + 32m56s
7. Orlando Terranova X-raid BMW + 35m13s
8. Bernard Errandonea SMG Buggy + 38m32s
9. Ronan Chabot SMG Buggy + 39m40s
10. Carlos Sainz Red Bull Buggy + 42m42s

[Kielder]

Holowczyc's accident:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xl23exlSQyc&feature=player_embedded

[A FONDO]

Yes, it's true. Mini appealed yesterday and officials admitted it because drivers have a second GPS on cars and it was proved it was working well. Nevertheless, Sainz uses it as mileometer.
Sainz isn't very happy with this, mainly because yesterday he was the first on the road for nothing. IMHO officials should have checked the second GPS after the second leg.

Sainz is always unhappy with something. Remeber a few years back he claimed his sentinel was broken, but he actually appeared to be not close enough to activate it. :D

About the current story, most of the competitors lost time on that checkpoint but didn't blame somebody/something else. mini, RGM and one other team appealed that Sainz shut off (and then on) his tracker (which is forbidden) on purpose to claim it has electrical shortage. Perhaps the truth is somewhere in between, but it's very pity from Sainz to twitt things like "wanna take the suitcases" http://ftalphaville.ft.com/wp-content/plugins/assanka_web_chat/img/emoticons/thumbs_down.gif

[dupanton]

I think the organisation is a mess. Once taken a decision, they should stay with it. Certainly, they can't change it after the next stage. As mentioned here, Sainz had to start first,, which meant he lost even more time due to difficult navigation etc. That is not correct IMO.

Also, what was it with Al-Attiyah? He got a 1 hour penalty at first, and then it was gone again. What was de reason for that?

[Mirek]

I think the organisation is a mess. Once taken a decision, they should stay with it. Certainly, they can't change it after the next stage. As mentioned here, Sainz had to start first,, which meant he lost even more time due to difficult navigation etc. That is not correct IMO.

If Mini appealed they have to reconsider the decision. They can't say to Mini to f.u.ck. off...

[Mirek]

The Holek's accident look like another HANS related injury...

[MartijnS]

Van Merksteijn hit this stone with the bottom of his engine at 150 km/h and started rolling after that...

http://sphotos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/1510_519813474719439_2073100294_n.jpg

They arrived at the hotel only about 2 hours ago! 17 hours after the crash, but are both ok.

[dupanton]

If Mini appealed they have to reconsider the decision. They can't say to Mini to f.u.ck. off...

No, but it means they didn't well consider everything before removing the time lost. If the make their decision properly, they should think about everything, so there is no reason to change their minds again...

[MartijnS]

Gordon rolled today at 29 km into the stage.

[Mirek]

No, but it means they didn't well consider everything before removing the time lost. If the make their decision properly, they should think about everything, so there is no reason to change their minds again...

How do You know? There are standard procedures and rights to appeal. Are You sure that something was done wrong? It's normal that against a steward decision there exist a right to appeal for other competitors. If there is no decision, there is naturally no appeal and vice versa. That means only in case of some decision taken there may be later an appeal claimed.

[dupanton]

How do You know? There are standard procedures and rights to appeal. Are You sure that something was done wrong? It's normal that against a steward decision there exist a right to appeal for other competitors. If there is no decision, there is naturally no appeal and vice versa. That means only in case of some decision taken there may be later an appeal claimed.

Mini must have had a good reason not to accept the decision made by the stewards. Without a good reason, they wont give in! So they must have missed something, what gave Mini a reason to complain.

[Mirek]

Mini must have had a good reason not to accept the decision made by the stewards. Without a good reason, they wont give in! So they must have missed something, what gave Mini a reason to complain.

You missed the point. That is completely irrelevant. Every team has a right to appeal and therefore delayed or later changed steward decisions may happen. It doesn't necessarily mean that there is a mess in the organization.

[dupanton]

You missed the point. That is completely irrelevant. Every team has a right to appeal and therefore delayed or later changed steward decisions may happen. It doesn't necessarily mean that there is a mess in the organization.

I know they have the right. That wasn't my point neither :p If the organization do a proper job, than there will be no need to change anything in my opinion.
A question, normally a classification is official after a certain time, then there can't be changed a thing about it. Shouldn't it be better that the classification in official before they start the next leg? I guess it is like that in rally to, no?

[MAXLD]

Gordon rolled today at 29 km into the stage.

He rolled the sandcrawler? That one I got to see... :D Looking at the stage profile, Km 29 is on sand... I bet he went "yee-ha!" over a dune. :crazy:

Hope they are ok though... :)

[Bartek]

http://img560.imageshack.us/img560/2190/27279536439926380832741.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/560/27279536439926380832741.jpg/)



Hołek after crash, like always with smile on his face ;)

[Kielder]

Sainz says goodbye to any chance of win. He is losing almost 40' at WP5 after stopping before WP4.

[Rasantes]

Robbie Gordon still in the race, just to pass the WP1 4h 34min marked the fastest time at that point.

[Saulenis]

You can watch the result of Gordon rollover at YouTube - /watch?v=wBadUb6P4uA
I cant post the links :) ))

[vino_93]

What a drive from Barreda in moto ! He won by 8'40 on Pain and 17' on Despres ! Now both Yamaha France drivers leads the race, Pain ahead of Casteu. Despres only KTM driver in Top 5 is 3rd, and then we find Barreda and Viladoms for Husqvarna.

In auto really nice stage from Chicherit who finished second 30" after Al Attiyah with SMG Buggy. Peterhansel is still leading the race, he finished 3rd at 1'17. Sainz is breaking down. He is taken oil from a moto driver who is injured. Lucio Alvarez lost more than a hour, I saw him stuck.

[Mirek]

A lot of changes in trucks too. Both in stage and overall. Big attack from Kamaz today but it's Aleš Loprais who takes thin overall lead despite being only 6th today :)

[r199]

The remains of the v Merksteijn car :eek:
http://sphotos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/s480x480/582441_404562029624261_1867922014_n.jpg

[Saulenis]

Lithuanians Vanagas/Jurgelėnas #458 today have finished without rollovers (there was two rollovers in stage 2 and 3). But they now are using the acrylic glass instead of windscreen. also there is some holes in body of the car so it isnt very 'hermetic'. The photo taken after the day 4 special stage finish: Facebook com/photo.php?fbid=430031413729174&set=a.154133707985614.36304.144580042274314
They've started from 121th, finished 74th.

[vino_93]

Overall classification :
Moto :
1 Pain (Yamaha)
2 Casteu (Yamaha) 2'24
3 Despres (KTM) 3'09
4 Barreda (Husqvarna) 5'38
5 Viladoms (Husqvarna) 7'22
6 Faria (KTM) 8'39
7 Lopez (KTM) 10'01
8 Botturi (Husqvarna) 11'44
9 Przygonski (KTM) 14'20
10 Ullevalseter (KTM) 14'54
11 Gouet (Honda) 15'06
12 Svitko (KTM) 17'14
13 Curtis (KTM) 18'55
14 Pizzolito (Honda) 19'12
15 Israel (Honda) 21'05
16 Rodrigues (Honda) 22'15
...

what a fight ! I hope it will continue !

cars :
1 Peterhansel (Mini)
2 Al Attiyah (Buggy) 5'16
3 de Villiers (Toyota) 33'22
4 Novitskiy (Mini) 33'48
5 Roma (Mini) 39'06
6 Chicherit (SMG) 42'32
7 Chabot (SMG) 59'30
8 Errandonea (SMG) 1h04'54
9 Gadasin (G-Force) 1h22'07
10 Thomasse (MD) 1h23'56
11 Sousa (Great Wall) 1h29'35
12 Olholm (Toyota) 1h43'05
13 Spinelli (mitsu) 1h45'55
14 Garafulic (Mini) 1h53'25
15 Terranova (BMW) 1h53'38
16 Wevers (HRX) 1h56'58
17 Kahle (SAM) 2h17'31
18 Lavieille (Dessoude) 2h20'56
...
24 Sainz (Buggy) 3h18'09
...
27 Alvarez (Toyota) 3h49'06

I hope Nasser or Peter will not have problems and we will have an incredible fight until end of race ...

Quad :
1 Patronelli (Yamaha)
2 Husseini (Honda) 14'06
3 Sonik (Yamaha) 1h00'17
4 Casale (Yamaha) 1h04'18
5 Laskawiec (Yamaha) 1h17'45
6 FLores (Yamaha) 1h37'32
7 Van Biljon (E-ATV) 1h40'27
8 Duverney (Yamaha) 1h41'01
9 Bonetto (Honda) 1h53'32
10 Palma (Can-Am) 1h54'26

a bit as in car ... I hope to see Husseini fighting with Patronelli !

Trucks :
1 Loprais (Tatra)
2 de Rooy (Iveco) 00'56
3 Nikolaev (Kamaz) 7'08
4 Mardeev (Kamaz) 18'00
5 Kolomy (Tatra) 30'52
6 Stacey (Iveco) 53'48
7 Karginov (Kamaz) 1h22'21
8 van den Brink (Ginaf) 1h43'37
9 Kuipers (Iveco) 1h45'04
10 Valtr (Daf) 1h55'11

Kamaz back in the party !

[Mirek]

Loprais said he did last 100 km yesterday with broken front dampers which caused him to drive more carefully because he had no quick assistance on stage.

[Kielder]

Minutes ago Sainz tweeted a nice photo of the start of stage. I feel he will end this Dakar being the second in the classification of car stage winners of all history.

http://i50.tinypic.com/2po3wnp.jpg

[Mirek]

Loprais lost two hours 10 kilometers from finish with problems with battery...

[vino_93]

What an effort from Chicherit yesterday ! He lost his power steering at 150km from the end ... he had to drive his buggy at the power of his hands, and manage to finish. He thought he broke his handle, but finally it's "only" sprains ...

[Grant_RSA]

What an effort from Chicherit yesterday ! He lost his power steering at 150km from the end ... he had to drive his buggy at the power of his hands, and manage to finish. He thought he broke his handle, but finally it's "only" sprains ...

I have heard drivers scream like little girls in a short special stage with no power steering, It has to be insane in soft sand for that kind of distance. fantastic effort.

[Mirek]

Bruno Thiry and his collapse during Safari rally came to my mind.

[Tinke1979]

Two died and 7 to hospital on a collision with local taxi and one Dakar service-car :( Two who died was on taxi (the driver and one on the front seat) 4 injured was in taxi and 3 in the servicecar... :( this happened after the fift stage.

here is the news on Finnish MTV3 page: Dakar-rallissa kaksi kuollutta - MTV3.fi - Urheilu - Ralli - Uutiset (http://www.mtv3.fi/urheilu/ralli/uutiset.shtml/2013/01/1688047/dakar-rallissa-kaksi-kuollutta)

[MartijnS]

Three British members of the Race2recovery team were in the service-car.

[makinen_fan]

English version here:
iRally | The free independent Rally App for the iPhone, iPad and Android (http://irallylive.com/ir_news.htm?00002707)

[dimviii]

Nasser attacks,he was about 10 minutes behind Peterhansel,and now at half todays stage he is behind just 3,33 at check point no6!!

[r199]

Hans Stacey in a de Rooy Iveco crashed. The Dutch driver's Iveco has apparently been badly damaged after an accident (the truck rolled over forwards) after 79 km. The crew are ok, but the truck has been unable to carry on

[vino_93]

It seems that Sainz is out (Mechanical). Roma lost 30' stuck in sand, and de Villiers 10' (same place). Pascal Thomasse was there too.
Al Attiyah is doing an incredible stage !

[dimviii]

Nasser now 45 seconds behind Peterhansel!!! with one checkpoint more to finish the stage.

[r199]

http://sphotos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/s480x480/537178_516134468407691_1742259371_n.jpg

Stacey's truck he over shot a dune, and fliped 100 meters down

[alleskids]

Hans Stacey is riding again

[dimviii]

Sainz withdrawal after engine issues

[ginkus]

does anyone have news about 458??

[makinen_fan]

Sad news today. First victim of 2013 Dakar, Thomas Bourgin died in collision with police car.

Rally Dakar 2013: muere Bourgin, piloto francés de motos en el paso de Jama (http://mundod.lavoz.com.ar/motores/rally-dakar-2013-muere-bourgin-piloto-frances-de-motos-en-el-paso-de-jama)

[Rakad]

Sad news today. First victim of 2013 Dakar, Thomas Bourgin died in collision with police car.

Rally Dakar 2013: muere Bourgin, piloto francés de motos en el paso de Jama (http://mundod.lavoz.com.ar/motores/rally-dakar-2013-muere-bourgin-piloto-frances-de-motos-en-el-paso-de-jama)

This is really creepy. Almost every year in the recent past there has been a fatal accident. Can't help but think something needs to be done about this.

[MartijnS]

What can you do about an accident at a public road?

[Humber]

This is really creepy. Almost every year in the recent past there has been a fatal accident. Can't help but think something needs to be done about this.

Yes I agree in part, the slower amateur riders with less support at the back of the bike category have a very difficult challenge. One article this year tells of one rider having 3 hours sleep in 48 hours? Given that it is mid summer at this time of year in the Southern Hemisphere it increases the possibility of the slow riders having accidents. Probably giving riders the opportunity to miss a stage and still stay in the rally would allow a risk reduction.

[dimviii]

what an emotional photo..
http://farm9.static.flickr.com/8237/8368820782_e03f4a6dc7_b.jpg

[Mirek]

Yes I agree in part, the slower amateur riders with less support at the back of the bike category have a very difficult challenge. One article this year tells of one rider having 3 hours sleep in 48 hours? Given that it is mid summer at this time of year in the Southern Hemisphere it increases the possibility of the slow riders having accidents. Probably giving riders the opportunity to miss a stage and still stay in the rally would allow a risk reduction.

That would be against the spirit of the event, don't You think? It has always been an ultimate challenge in which to take part is a free will of every starter.

[bluuford]

Some things in the world are just tough. I was a part of polar expedition approximately 10 years ago and there was a rule that when the human loss is less than 10% of our group during polar expedition, then it is not the fault of expedition leader. It is just the conditions.

Dakar, the fact we cannot imagine is the number of vehicles and people involved. There were 448 competing vehicles and 755 competitors in Dakar. Now put there media cars, assistance cars organizers cars and spectators cars. You get thousands of cars. and those thousands of vehicles are driving around for nearly a month. What is the normal number of casualities in traffic on those countries? What is the normal number of cars driving around on those villages and bigger settlements. It is just the conditions and huge number of people and vehicles that are involved. We just cannot imagine the amount of people involved. Local economy has a good profit, but every profit has its price.

[vino_93]

lot of change today in moto. Despres changes his engine yesterday due to a gearbox problem, so he will probably lost 15 minutes. But what is important is that their was no assistance for moto drivers yesterday, so Despres cannot have a good new engine (a polish driver give him what he needs). So Despres don't know if this engine, which is used, can well end the race.
But today the professionnal drivers made mistake and ran on a falsa direction. Despres started 20th, and so lost less times. Olivier Pain, who was leading (he is not professionnal driver !), lost more than 30'. So it's his teammate in Yamaha France team, David Casteu, who take the lead ... and Despres is back in 2nd position, not losing so much time on new leader.
Whereas he is injured, Barreda did another incredible stage, winning by 7' ahead JOhnny Campbell, who done an incredible stage too ! Top 10 is quite unusual today :
1 Barreda (Husqvarna)
2 Campbell (Honda) 7'04
3 Jakes (KTM) 7'57
4 Bianchi (Husqvarna) 11'10
5 Guindani (Yamaha) 13'07
6 Casteu (Yamaha) 14'14
7 Prohens (Honda) 14'35
8 Van Pelt (Honda) 15'08 n°147 !
9 Poskitt (KTM) 15'48 n°168 !
10 Rodrigues (Honda) 15'57
11 Despres (KTM) 16'09
...
33 Faria (KTM) 22'24
...
50 Lopez (KTM) 26'44
...
77 Pain (Yamaha) 37'00

So general classification :
1 Casteu (Yamaha)
2 Despres (KTM) 9'26 (but will have penalty)
3 Faria (KTM) 11'16
4 Lopez (KTM) 12'00
5 Pain (Yamaha) 16'10
6 Jakes (KTM) 26'22
7 Israel (Honda) 27'07
8 Przygonski (KTM) 31'32
9 Svitko (KTM) 33'50
10 Pizzolito (Honda) 34'55
11 Caselli (KTM) 36'06
12 Gouet (honda) 36'30
13 Botturi (Husqvarna) 36'47
14 Rodrigues (Honda) 41'39
15 Van Niekerk (KTM) 43'13
16 ******ter (Yamaha) 46'51
17 Pedrero (KTM) 49'18
18 Verhoeven (Yamaha) 53'49
19 Curtis (KTM) 1h09'36
20 Ullevalseter (KTM) 1h12'47

In auto, Alvarez has a problem, and Al Attiyah is pushing.
Philippe Gache said SMG (his team, who drive Chicherit, Chabot, Errandonea) had contact with a brand to develop a car. He said he'd like to keep Chicherit, and to have ... Sainz or Petter Solberg with him !
And Peterhansel said to some FTV boys that in 2015 he'd like to do Dakar ... in truck !

No stage today in truck, due to heavy rain.

[alleskids]

how much can be changed at a car/moto and still be legal the same entry? Is the engine the heart, of is it the chassis?

[alleskids]

officially teams can change almost anything, except the engine, which is sealed. but in bikes there is an exception: drivers can change among them if they do all the mecanical work themslefs, and get a 15 minutes penalty

[A FONDO]

get a 15 minutes penalty

Only for the first change. The second one is 45 minutes.

[pucky54]

drivers can change among them if they do all the mecanical work themslefs, and get a 15 minutes penalty

Looks like 15 min penalties will only applied to starting numbers higher than 1 :D :D :D

[alleskids]

Looks like 15 min penalties will only applied to starting numbers higher than 1 :D :D :D
and with drivers having a non French pasport ;)

[Humber]

That would be against the spirit of the event, don't You think? It has always been an ultimate challenge in which to take part is a free will of every starter.

I think it is respect for the local population in the countries the rally competitors are travelling through that should be the most important factor. It is widely acknowledged that tired drivers are potentially dangerous drivers, so you have tired competitors/ support drivers driving on the same roads as the locals.
In polar or mountain climbing expeditions - the expedition group members actions usually do not have a direct effect on the local people unless they are a paid (usually) part of the expedition.
The Dakar has an expensive entry fee, many amateurs can only afford one event so some are likely to take risks to get their finisher's plaque/ statutette.

Motorsport deaths usually get a greater media bashing than other sports ( for what ever reason) than skiing, snow mobiling, mountain climbing etc deaths.

If someone wanted to do a long distance rally for the spirit of the event won't they be still rate the African rally that actually still goes to Senegal the more worthy event ?

HOME - INTERCONTINENTAL RALLY 2013 - international rally Spain-Senegal (http://www.intercontinentalrally.com/) (2013)

[alleskids]

and with drivers having a non French pasport ;)

the ASO has fixed the 15 minutes penalty, Despres is 5th, 24 min26sec behind Casteu

[Mirek]

I think it is respect for the local population in the countries the rally competitors are travelling through that should be the most important factor. It is widely acknowledged that tired drivers are potentially dangerous drivers, so you have tired competitors/ support drivers driving on the same roads as the locals.
In polar or mountain climbing expeditions - the expedition group members actions usually do not have a direct effect on the local people unless they are a paid (usually) part of the expedition.
The Dakar has an expensive entry fee, many amateurs can only afford one event so some are likely to take risks to get their finisher's plaque/ statutette.

Motorsport deaths usually get a greater media bashing than other sports ( for what ever reason) than skiing, snow mobiling, mountain climbing etc deaths.

If someone wanted to do a long distance rally for the spirit of the event won't they be still rate the African rally that actually still goes to Senegal the more worthy event ?

HOME - INTERCONTINENTAL RALLY 2013 - international rally Spain-Senegal (http://www.intercontinentalrally.com/) (2013)

That is of course true but do You actually know that the accidents were faults of the competitors? It may be like that but also it may not. The traffic in these countries is often crazy and many accidents happen even without the race.

[bluuford]

Looks like cancelling the stage was veeery neccessary.. look at Spinelli crossing the flooding river:
http://f.pmo.ee/f/2013/01/13/1521680t100h8b15.jpg

[MartijnS]

Yes, really was a mess!

http://sphotos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/196632_4225374072396_1235265703_n.jpg

http://sphotos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/537785_4225373872391_1977512504_n.jpg

http://sphotos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/486357_4225376472456_1939398373_n.jpg

http://sphotos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/734195_4225376432455_698286454_n.jpg

http://sphotos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/59953_4225376392454_1325284705_n.jpg

[dimviii]

Looks like cancelling the stage was veeery neccessary.. look at Spinelli crossing the flooding river:
http://f.pmo.ee/f/2013/01/13/1521680t100h8b15.jpg

even the photo is astonishing,very dangerous situation!!

[vino_93]

even the photo is astonishing,very dangerous situation!!

the stage was stopped after 80km due to this.

[vino_93]

Classification at mid race :
Moto :
1 Casteu (Yamaha)
2 Faria (KTM) 11'16
3 Lopez (KTM) 12'00
4 Pain (Yamaha) 16'10
5 Despres (KTM) 24'26 (1 engine change)
6 Jakes (KTM) 26'22
7 Israel (Honda) 27'07
8 Przygonski (KTM) 31'32
9 Svitko (KTM) 33'50
10 Pizzolito (Honda) 34'55
11 Gouet (Honda) 36'30
12 Botturi (Husqvarna) 36'47 (1 engine change)
13 Rodrigues (Honda) 41'39 (1 engine change)
14 van Niekerk (KTM) 43'13
15 ******ter (Yamaha) 46'51
16 Pedrero (KTM) 49'18
17 Verhoeven (Yamaha) 53'49
18 Curtis (KTM) 1h09'36
19 Ullevalseter (KTM) 1h12'47
20 Grabham (KTM) 1h13'33
21 Rodriguez (Honda) 1h30'22
22 Knuiman (KTM) 1h41'20
23 Goncalves (Husqvarna) 1h41'40 (1 engine change)
24 Czachor (KTM) 1h48'32
25 Metge (Yamaha) 1h50'12
...
41 Barreda (Husqvarna) 3h26'40 (1 engine change)
42 Duclos (Sherco) 3h29'29 (1 engine change)
...
45 Caselli (KTM) 3h56'06 (3h'20 of penalty !)
...
90 Villadoms (Husqvarna) 7h48'22 (2 engine change)
...
108 Farres (Honda) 10h24'56
...
139 (and last) Belaustegui (KTM) 33h47'46

Quad :
1 Patronelli (Yamaha)
2 Casale (Yamaha) 1h23'55
3 van Biljon (E-ATV) 2h00'29
4 Sonik (Yamaha) 2h03'44
5 Palma (Can Am) 2h33'13
6 Flores (Yamaha) 2h57'36
7 Laskawiec (Yamaha) 3h06'54
8 Bonetto (Honda) 3h09'01
9 Clavigliasso (Can Am) 3h25'53
10 Maffei (Yamaha) 3h41'04
11 Duverney (Yamaha) 3h50'13
12 Gagliardi (Yamaha) 4h02'11
13 Smith (Honda) 4h26'07
14 Liparotti (Yamaha) 5h00'06
15 Husseini (Honda) 5h30'17
...
26 (and last) Domaszewski (Honda) 28h20'04

Cars :
1 Peterhansel (Mini)
2 Al Attiyah (Buggy) 3'14
3 de Villiers (Toyota) 44'03
4 Novitskiy (Mini) 48'54
5 Chicherit (SMG) 1h04'50
6 Chabot (SMG) 1h34'51
7 Roma (Mini) 1h38'27
8 Terranova (BMW) 1h58'25
9 Errandonea (SMG) 2h02'18
10 Sousa (Great Wall) 2h07'29
11 Thomasse (MD) 2h21'46
12 Wevers (HRX) 2h31'22
13 Spinelli (Mitsu) 2h41'55
14 Garafulic (Mini) 2h49'01
15 Olholm (Toyota) 3h11'16
16 Kahle (SAM) 3h18'36
17 Malysz (Toyota) 3h34'34
18 Lavieille (Dessoude) 3h36'43
19 Coffaro (Toyota) 4h06'26
20 ALvarez (Toyota) 4h21'25
21 Vasiliev (G Force) 4h39'42
22 Zhou (Great Wall) 5h43'21
23 Gordon (Hummer) 5h51'23
24 Gadasin (G Force) 6h18'23
25 Ferreyros (Overdrive) 6h18'57
...
106 (and last) O'Hare (Bowler) 50h59'50

Trucks :
1 De Rooy (Iveco)
2 Nikolaev (Kamaz) 22'08
3 Kolomy (Tatra) 41'25
4 Mardeev (Kamaz) 46'53
5 Karginov (Kamaz) 1h24'10
6 Loprais (Tatra) 1h57'19
7 Versluis (Man) 2h15'36
8 Van Vliet (Man) 2h17'09
9 Kuipers (Iveco) 2h39'35
10 van den Brink (Ginaf) 3h03'38
11 van den Bosch (Daf) 3h13'49
12 Smink (Ginaf) 3h16'30
13 Mardeev (Kamaz) 3h19'27
14 Vildman (Liaz) 4h28'09
15 Biasion (Iveco) 5h05'06
...
18 Sugarawa (Hino) 5h35'24
19 Vratny (Tatra) 5h36'09
...
64 (and last) Segura (Renault) 178h39'27

[Bartek]

Why Caselli has 3,20 penalty?

[Kielder]

It's been published that Al-Attiyah has invited Loeb to join the Qatar Red Bull team in 2014: "The place is open for him. If he wants for next year, it will be OK", said the Qatarian. He added that the goal of the team next year is to have five cars (one of them booster to help the four officials).

I don't believe that Sainz runs again a Dakar, even thought Nasser could build the strongest project for 2014. Despite the youth of the car, he's showing that it's possible to win a Dakar in a buggy. If he wants, it will be easy for Loeb moving from the said to the done.

[A FONDO]

2013 Team SPEED Dakar Stage 8 on Vimeo (http://vimeo.com/57325875)

[makinen_fan]

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