Rallye Wrc Monte-Carlo 2013

[tolis]

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[6789]

some guys said everyone has six studs in the car exception xxx and xx， anyone has information about top drivers' tires？ thanksPretty sure that was Novikov and Neuville

[tommeke_B]

So, how is M-Sports new "factory" drivers doing?.... okey, guess guess you get what you (they) pay for Malcolm.
All 4 are in front of his previous number 1, so not that bad... The 4 M-sport drivers are doing very well regarding their experience (Hanninen = first time in 1.6T WRC, Neuville = first time in Fiesta WRC, Ostberg = first time in Monte Carlo), and there is a lot of margin to grow for them. But the rally only started, no point of judging after only 2 stages, even judging after one event would be ridiculous as Monte is a "specialist-event"... :)

[RS]

So he has to make all his remaining 6 nominated rounds count! Conservative looks like paying dividends

Matthew Wilson, WRC2 Champion?

[Simmi]

Maybe 4x snow and 2x studs to put on for the last stage (crossed with the best snows)

I think that is reportedly what Francois Delecour said he would have taken this morning as the best compromise - which is often what the Monte is all about.

[Kielder]

The quality is not the same as yesterday, I know...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQ_gNjCuJ2Q&feature=player_embedded

You can see JML' run on the channel too: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEiJzm927ck

[dimviii]

I would like to wait for normal stage conditions. Then we will see...

Pluto is any stage dry,or just wet without snow-ice-melted snow?

[Kielder]

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[Mintexmemory]

Matthew Wilson, WRC2 Champion?
-I said conservative not over-braking!
Matthew's driving style will be problematic in WRC2

[Mirek]

Why? He is able to always finish and that is crucial in WRC2.

[Kielder]

Colin Clark ‏@voiceofrally (https://twitter.com/voiceofrally) Hearing that Hanninen had an excursion into a field on SS2

[dimviii]

Colin Clark ‏@voiceofrally (https://twitter.com/voiceofrally) Hearing that Hanninen had an excursion into a field on SS2

hit a bridge

[Prisoner Monkeys]

Where were You last four years? :)
In a country that only gets WRC coverage as an afterthought when there is a gap in the late-night programming schedule. And you can forget about the IRC, ERC and NORF down here. That's where I've been.

[Kielder]

17 months of preparations, 1,700 parts entirely designed and about 20,000 km of testing are worth a debut stage win (at the Rohrl's favourite stage). Congrats to VW, this has just begun.

[mousti]

The internet? Like most of us follow on it, and u too btw, otherwise u wouldn't be a member here?? :D

[rjbetty]

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Hey, what is this stage? I don't know them very well and this looks exactly like after the start of SS1 on WRC II for the PS2 (Turini/La Bollene). Is this the real life version of that part in the game?

[urabus-denoS2000]

Go Juho! Very happy to see him perform well so far :)

BTW here in Croatia there is absolutely no racing or rallying coverage at all, except F1, so where ever you are Prisoner Monkeys, there is always a worse place ;)

[Mintexmemory]

Why? He is able to always finish and that is crucial in WRC2.

:) I don't think following the Oleksowicz model will either a) win many events and b) act as a springboard back to WRC.
It is probable that Matt will need to compete with a number of guys who are out to impress and there won't be the same scope for conservativism in NORF and the tarmac rounds

[Mirek]

Hey, what is this stage? I don't know them very well and this looks exactly like after the start of SS1 on WRC II for the PS2 (Turini/La Bollene). Is this the real life version of that part in the game?

The second photo looks like SS1 near Col de la Fayolle, that is in cca 2/3 of it. But it also may be part of SS2 as there are many similar looking places. Col de Tuirni is 250 km away from these places and I don't recall any place looking like this.

[tommeke_B]

:) I don't think following the Oleksowicz model will either a) win many events and b) act as a springboard back to WRC.
It is probable that Matt will need to compete with a number of guys who are out to impress and there won't be the same scope for conservativism in NORF and the tarmac rounds
"Oleksowicz model"...? What does a gentleman driver have to do with this?

[Mintexmemory]

Why? He is able to always finish and that is crucial in WRC2.

:) I don't think following the Oleksowicz model will either a) win many events and b) act as a springboard back to WRC.
It is probable that Matt will need to compete with a number of guys who are out to impress and there won't be the same scope for conservativism in NORF and the tarmac rounds

[GigiGalliNo1]

Hey, what is this stage? I don't know them very well and this looks exactly like after the start of SS1 on WRC II for the PS2 (Turini/La Bollene). Is this the real life version of that part in the game?

I can recall that WRC II and the old WRC games were based on REAL stages with REAL parts used!!! For example they went out took images and videos of the stages to recreate them!

[tommeke_B]

I can recall that WRC II and the old WRC games were based on REAL stages with REAL parts used!!! For example they went out took images and videos of the stages to recreate them!
At least not from German stages. 100% sure that no meter of it was same as in real.

[Mirek]

I have never played WRC 2 but I watched WRC 3 videos and the stages are in no way made of real ones. Even Col de Turini itself is different looking. There are crazy accurate stages made by various volunteers for Richard Burns Rally though.

[GigiGalliNo1]

No no no.... this is the OLD games. WRC, WRC2 & WRC3 are the latest ones!

WRC, WRC II etc are the OLD games... vintage now.

[PLuto]

SS 3 Conditions on SS: stage is more dry, snow on few places, black ice gone. Some mud on the road from cutting.
SS 4 Conditions on SS: temperature is very cold, most of the snow gone away by cars during first run, lot of mud from cuts.

[dimviii]

Pluto any news about dry or just wet stages without melted snow-ice-snow at next days?

http://www.rallye-sport.fr/wp-content/gallery/valence-monte-carlo-2013/mg_9318.jpghttp://www.rallye-sport.fr/wp-content/gallery/valence-monte-carlo-2013/mg_9356.jpg

[Back-N-Black]

Trying to catch up here and work at the same time. I'm watching the Italians, are they heading to SS3 or am I really lost?

[Mirek]

Pluto any news about dry or just wet stages without melted snow-ice-snow at next days?

There will be snow falls in next days so it doesn't matter what is there now as it will most likely change. Anyway usually most dry is stage Lantosque - Lucerám.

[rallye-sport]

Update Photos SS2 -> Photos Rallye Monte-Carlo 2013 (http://www.rallye-sport.fr/photos-rallye-monte-carlo-2013/)


http://www.rallye-sport.fr/wp-content/gallery/valence-monte-carlo-2013/mg_9345.jpg

http://www.rallye-sport.fr/wp-content/gallery/valence-monte-carlo-2013/mg_9415.jpg

[dimviii]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Q3h8fXC2Az4

[Mirek]

Anyone knows tyre choice for second loop?

[Rally Hokkaido]

Yes, back in the bad old days I looked after two Finnish guys who came to Rally Hokkaido to take photos for Richard Burns Rally. They drove Day 2 stges on Day 1 and vice versa. They explained to me that they only needed to take road surface and contour photos. Signage, buildings and other scenery would be all photo-shopped in later, back in the studio.
I have never played WRC 2 but I watched WRC 3 videos and the stages are in no way made of real ones. Even Col de Turini itself is different looking. There are crazy accurate stages made by various volunteers for Richard Burns Rally though.

[ChristianArp]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Q3h8fXC2Az4

Ouch that Mini sounds rough!! The Mini not being the 'cleanest' sounding car in the first place, that just makes it sound like a box of bolts being thrown around within the engine..
Rally Radio saying it was a fuel injector though, luckily. :)

[urabus-denoS2000]

First crews should be in SS3 finish soon...

[Medved]

Informations from radio, but I donť know if I understood good.

Loeb+Hirvonen 2studs/2snow + ???
Sordo 2supersoft/2snow + ???

Ford? - 2snow/2studs/2supersoft

[Mirek]

Yes, back in the bad old days I looked after two Finnish guys who came to Rally Hokkaido to take photos for Richard Burns Rally. They drove Day 2 stges on Day 1 and vice versa. They explained to me that they only needed to take road surface and contour photos. Signage, buildings and other scenery would be all photo-shopped in later, back in the studio.

Ah, You mean the original game. I meant the stages made years later by enthusiasts all around the world. I was part of the community for several years and I do know some of them. Some were completely crazy and they spent like one or two years for one stage! There You have every house made as the real one etc. There are some videos on youtube comparing real onboards with in-game and it's incredible. Like stage Strýčkovy or stage Semetín, both made by Václav Šourek :)

[bluuford]

I just took a quick look on the weather and it looks like there will not be any snowfall on tomorrow stages, just some sun. But the previous snow should be still there and the temperature will be below 0 in all stages tomorrow (even lower than -10 in some places). Superbad weather should arrive on friday evening (heavy rain+snow)

[Simmi]

The Polo's are looking quick again mid-stage.

[Mirek]

Where is Juho?

[makinen_fan]

Seb uses slick+snow. no studs

[Mirek]

Seb uses slick+snow. no studs

There are no slicks in WRC ;)

[dimviii]

Mikko +18 and some scratches on the front of the car

[urabus-denoS2000]

Juho???

[Rally Hokkaido]

Seb Jnr -4.3 on the guy at split 4, most others are +10 or more

[makinen_fan]

There are no slicks in WRC ;)

I meant SuperSofts, sorry :)

[rage82]

Trying to catch up here and work at the same time. I'm watching the Italians, are they heading to SS3 or am I really lost?
Yes they are heading to SS3. Hope that the stream will work better this time

[ChristianArp]

Juho???

Splits on him on wrc.com - couldn't find him before though.

[uranium]

Juho???

looks ok



10.
6
J. HANNINEN
+1.7
+5.0
+7.9
+9.8

[uranium]

wrc.com is heartbreaking site ! ;-)

[urabus-denoS2000]

Splits on him on wrc.com - couldn't find him before though.

Yes, now I see him as well ;)

[EightGear]

Times are a mess again.

[Mintexmemory]

"Oleksowicz model"...? What does a gentleman driver have to do with this?
So transposing MW's performance from WRC who was he closer to Hirvonen /Latvala or Block / Kuipers?
Hence, if we apply the 'driving for a finish' as opposed to going for a win analogy to last year's SWRC would MW have competed with Breen / PG? Just an opinion but in RRC / S2000 / R5 momentum is everything and that is not MW's style

[Negaiss]

Otsberg takes about a minite from Seb in last split ! Nice WRC.com
Times are mess.

[AP-Racing]

Mistake with Mads time

[Simmi]

Times are completely wrong. Cars seem to be going up to 2mins quicker in reality to what is being posted.

[AP-Racing]

Uahahahahahahha - times is wonderful

[dimviii]

what a mess about stage times.Amatauers stupid ridicoulous .................

[Rally Hokkaido]

eWRC.com have corrected the times

[wrc1600]

someone promised brand new WRC with tv broadcast, live stream, better timming etc. we have moved back with everything, shocking...

[mousti]

Those people get paid, for doing a rubbish job..

[JAM]

The people from ST1 is still in charge of the timekeeping system, or Red Bull decided to use another system/people?

[Rally Hokkaido]

eWRC-results.com have corrected the times

[dimviii]

eWRC-results.com have corrected the times

so Ogier is 2 min 15 sec slower from Loeb???????

[Franky]

The people from ST1 is still in charge of the timekeeping system, or Red Bull decided to use another system/people?

New comapany in charge of timing. I think it's a Spanish firm.

[Simmi]

eWRC-results.com have corrected the times

No they haven't, not fully.

[PLuto]

Times from SS 3 are mostly wrong, mistake is on side of organisers (I dont know if timekeepers or results group).

[EightGear]

The people from ST1 is still in charge of the timekeeping system, or Red Bull decided to use another system/people?

No it was changed for no given reason... We now see the results of this decision.

[JAM]

New comapany in charge of timing. I think it's a Spanish firm.

It's incredible how they throw away the only company that had a fantastic and reliable system...

[wrc1600]

am I missing something or Loeb and Neuville knew some shortcuts?

[donlorean]

eWRC-results.com have corrected the times

For me it looks that both have same times...

[MJW]

New comapany in charge of timing. I think it's a Spanish firm.
and a shambles it is too!! Teams didnt have times in shakedown yesterday. I think Stage One Timing were the best part of the whole DR WRC model.

[Rally Hokkaido]

Hmm, sorry they haven't - just seem quicker than wrc-com to put times up
so Ogier is 2 min 15 sec slower from Loeb???????

[dimviii]

is any site on earth with right times?

[PLuto]

is any site on earth with right times?

No, original source is not correct. We must wait for info from french timekeepers.

[sp0+]

Every stage time with 27 minutes is actually 25 minutes.... Also for Mikko 28 is actually 26.... And the mess goes on.......

[dimviii]

waiting for months for the first rally for the 2013 just to look at a monitor like an idiot.These guys at rally radio dont know anything about the mess with times?Is it so hard to tell us the right times?????

useless people at wrc all over the place.!@#$%^&

[wrc1600]

is any site on earth with right times?

don't think so if they all rely on the same source

[jarredw]

Ridiculous!
If it ain't broke, don't fix it...Timings off on wrc.com and problems for the MINI. Under the old system Becs on WRC Live could see if the car is moving, now it seems she can't - relying on whether drivers passed them or not.

Missing StageOne...

[dimviii]

Every stage time with 27 minutes is actually 25 minutes.... Also for Mikko 28 is actually 26.... And the mess goes on.......

Mikko and Hanninen are with 28 min

[Franky]

waiting for months for the first rally for the 2013 just to look at a monitor like an idiot.These guys at rally radio dont know anything about the mess with times?Is it so hard to tell us the right times?????

useless people at wrc all over the place.!@#$%^&

The time cluster f... seems to be pretty much global. No one seems to have right times :S

[jarredw]

Now apparently Neuville is leading the rally...don't know whether to laugh or cry haha.

[Rally Hokkaido]

Meanwhile our heroes in Car 97 have arrived at the start - hope the streaming keeps going in the stage!

[mousti]

Here it seems correct, but site loads slowly http://en.best-of-rallylive.com/Bestofrallylive/Evenements/Rallye-Monte-Carlo-2013/Rallye-Monte-Carlo-2013

[Mirek]

Every stage time with 27 minutes is actually 25 minutes.... Also for Mikko 28 is actually 26.... And the mess goes on.......

Are You sure the last split was less than one minute? I guess it's not 25 what is right.

[uranium]

full mess with times

[mstfozkan]

bouffier&neuville are in top 2 :) is this times true ?

[PLuto]

I hope that this times are correct - Rallye Monte Carlo 2013 - Results - Rally-Base (http://rally-base.com/2013/rallye-monte-carlo-2013/?ssId=1477)

[A FONDO]

http://ozhouse.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/double_facepalm.jpg

[Mirek]

The time cluster f... seems to be pretty much global. No one seems to have right times :S

Try to understand that if timekeepers have wrong times everyone else has wrong times too because they are the only original source for every result pages. There is no double timing.

[Cacatua]

according to iRally

Loeb 25:16,2
Hirvonen 28:11,4
Ostberg 27:28,3
Novikov 25:43,9
Neuville 25:43,3
Ogier ...
Sordo 25:31,6

After Sordo the mess started up

[pucky54]

Best solution for all and the sport would be to cancel the splits and give proper stage end times ;)

[devendorf]

Every stage time with 27 minutes is actually 25 minutes.... Also for Mikko 28 is actually 26.... And the mess goes on.......

Actually Loeb's time changed from 27:34.3 to 25:16.2 and now back to 27:34.3. So there is no logical minute errors. Better to cancel whole day and start again tomorrow...

[Mirek]

I hope that this times are correct - Rallye Monte Carlo 2013 - Results - Rally-Base (http://rally-base.com/2013/rallye-monte-carlo-2013/?ssId=1477)

What I can see sure isn't because it doesn't correspond with splits.

[sp0+]

Mikko and Hanninen are with 28 min

The problem with the times is so complicated that we are all confused.... I hope now the times are correct (25 is 27 that is....!!!!)

[Formaldehyde]

Italian crew live stream about to start SS3. If we don't lose them again, that is...

I can't post links, apparently.

EDIT: ...aaaannnddd we lost them.

[mstfozkan]

Ogier's time in SS3 is 25'36.1 according to citroen twitter page

[Simmi]

The correct times seem to be getting posted at the end of the stage. I think any correct times written have just been jotted down from Colin on WRR.

This is the first leg of a rally I've followed completely live in about two years and it's clear the WRC is still in the dark ages.

[Arska]

Looks like this is gonna be a boring rally again. Only Loeb in the lead...

[Mintexmemory]

Crugnola flying again on the splits

[dimviii]

No comments either for stage 3 at official site...lololololol

[satukata]

I think this is most interesting rally for years... Loeb is fastest but others are very interesting

[Dug83]

I think the times here look right not sure though

Rallye Monte Carlo 2013 - Results - Rally-Base (http://rally-base.com/2013/rallye-monte-carlo-2013/?ssId=1477)

[PLuto]

Also drivers didnt received good times into their timecards at the finish. But "actually final version" of correct times looks like this: Rallye Monte Carlo 2013 - Results - Rally-Base (http://rally-base.com/2013/rallye-monte-carlo-2013/?ssId=1477)

[Brother John]

And how about this then? stage times
World Rally Championship - Results - Rallye Monte-Carlo (http://www.wrc.com/results/2013/rallye-monte-carlo/stage-times/)

[Mintexmemory]

And how about this then?
World Rally Championship - Results - Rallye Monte-Carlo (http://www.wrc.com/results/2013/rallye-monte-carlo/stage-times/)
Nope, that is completely FUBAR

[EightGear]

No matter at which timing list you look, Ostberg and Hirvonen are pretty hopeless so far.

[dimviii]

from Citroen racing

Loeb: 25'16 .2, @ DaniSordo (https://twitter.com/DaniSordo) 25'31 .6, οι MikkoWRC @ (https://twitter.com/MikkoWRC) 25'34 0.3

[Simmi]

Also drivers didnt received good times into their timecards at the finish. But "actually final version" of correct times looks like this: Rallye Monte Carlo 2013 - Results - Rally-Base (http://rally-base.com/2013/rallye-monte-carlo-2013/?ssId=1477)

So you're saying Ogier was actually fastest? I don't think he was.

[jarredw]

Citroen's "live" page seems to be a little better:
"According to our informations, Sébastien Loeb set the fastest time in 25’16.2 Jarri-Matti Latvala in 25’28.3, Dani Sordo 25’31.6, Mikko Hirvonen 25’34.6 and Sébastien Ogier 25’36.1. Seb may increase his lead to nearly 30 seconds."

[dimviii]

Also drivers didnt received good times into their timecards at the finish. But "actually final version" of correct times looks like this: Rallye Monte Carlo 2013 - Results - Rally-Base (http://rally-base.com/2013/rallye-monte-carlo-2013/?ssId=1477)

these seems right.

[uranium]

ES3- Loeb creuse l'écart (MC 2013) (http://www.rallye-sport.fr/es1-ogier-deja-mc-2013/)

What does "
Ogier, Hirvonen, Sordo, Latvala et Ostberg avec 2 min de trop" mean? Google didnt help

[Mintexmemory]

So you're saying Ogier was actually fastest? I don't think he was.

Why not? makes a whole lot more sense than Neuville or Ostberg.

[PLuto]

And how about this then? stage times
World Rally Championship - Results - Rallye Monte-Carlo (http://www.wrc.com/results/2013/rallye-monte-carlo/stage-times/)

This is for sure wrong.

[sp0+]

these seems right.


I agree!!! That seems very logical from the splits...

[dimviii]

So you're saying Ogier was actually fastest? I don't think he was.

why wasn t faster at 4th split by 4 sec?

[Mintexmemory]

ES3- Loeb creuse l'écart (MC 2013) (http://www.rallye-sport.fr/es1-ogier-deja-mc-2013/)

What does "
Ogier, Hirvonen, Sordo, Latvala et Ostberg avec 2 min de trop"
mean? Google didnt help

Those have 2 min too much

Think Citroen's times should be viewed with a large does of scepticism.

[GigiGalliNo1]

Everyone is complaining to @FIA on twitter. Drivers, teams and co drivers + fans are having a go on Twitter.

How can TEAMS and DRIVERS NOT HAVE SPLIT TIMES?!?!? It's ALL over the place!

[GigiGalliNo1]

Citroen are waiting for SS3 stage times and SS4 is about to start!

[bluuford]

Almost all the times in every site are wrong. Conditions were better tha during the first pass.. they had faster tires.. They cannot be slower than during the first pass. time with 25:xx looks correct. Last year times were 24:01
27:xx cannot be correct

[Dug83]

Way to go FIA!!!!! We had 2 good stages and the wheels have completely fallen off. Really doing your best to kill the sport!!!!

[satukata]

Citroen's "live" page seems to be a little better:
"According to our informations, Sébastien Loeb set the fastest time in 25’16.2 Jarri-Matti Latvala in 25’28.3, Dani Sordo 25’31.6, Mikko Hirvonen 25’34.6 and Sébastien Ogier 25’36.1. Seb may increase his lead to nearly 30 seconds."
these times are correct and look same like last splits...

[Simmi]

why wasn t faster at 4th split by 4 sec?

Yeah it's true he was going quicker. Doesn't help when drivers don't know how fast they went due to getting given incorrect times.

I'm hoping Ogier was quicker as it tightens things up again ahead of SS4.

[GigiGalliNo1]

Anyone else want to complain? This is the man to write to!

@MatBarbera on twitter: Head of content at @fia. Ex-Media Manager of PSG. Life, sports and medias. All comments are my own.

[Livewireshock]

Crazy to know what the officials will decide to do?

[GigiGalliNo1]

M-Sport don't even have stage times and stated this with welcoming the next stage!

[Rally Hokkaido]

Now, some very random splits have appeared for SS4, Grrrr!

[dimviii]

Anyone else want to complain? This is the man to write to!

@MatBarbera on twitter: Head of content at @fia. Ex-Media Manager of PSG. Life, sports and medias. All comments are my own.

Only NOT could write a proper email. You now sick dogs etc lol

[EightGear]

Should we laugh or cry?

[Franky]

Try to understand that if timekeepers have wrong times everyone else has wrong times too because they are the only original source for every result pages. There is no double timing.

That's what I actually meant. Just spiced with some sarcasm.

[PLuto]

Have you found, that timekeepers and official results group started adding times to retired crews (like usually with superally)?

[jarredw]

21'54.6 for Seb in SS4

[uranium]

Finaly FIA will cancel 1st day results lol

[jarredw]

Mikko: 22'29.0 for SS4.

[tommeke_B]

Times after SS3!

http://sphotos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/704607_4782003959921_1652221528_o.jpg

...

[Simmi]

Have we finally got there for SS3? Loeb winning the stage?
eWRC-results.com - results Rallye Monte Carlo 2013 (http://www.ewrc-results.com/results.php?e=5887&s=32513&t=Rallye-Monte-Carlo-2013)

[jarredw]

Puncture for JML in SS4:
22'49.1

[EightGear]

I don't think Juho was THAT slow... On the radio they said Bouffier was only just a bit faster than him.

[Georgi]

Puncture for JML in SS4:
22'49.1

This will be a dissapointing start of the season for JML.
First the 30 sec penalty for late check in TC and now almost a minute slower than Loeb in SS4.
I hope he will not do some silly mistake trying to catch up the lost time.

[tommeke_B]

According to wwbroe, Neuville didn't come through...

[jarredw]

Neuville hasn't come to the stage end - Prokop says Neuville is working on the car, something to with the wheel...

[Simmi]

Damaged wheel potentially for Neuville - stopped in stage according to Prokop.

[jarredw]

22'48.3 for Ogier in SS4

[EightGear]

From wrc.com

The stage times for SS3 of Rallye Monte-Carlo are being reviewed following posible communications isues at the end of the stage. We will bring you confirmed times as soon as possible.

[Sulland]

What are the tyre cost compared to total cost for a rally like monte, for 1 car in %?
Cant be that many %, so why save there?

Stupid that the manufacturer teams can not use what they want, and how many they want of each type.

[Simmi]

Scrambling: World Rally Championship - News - Update: Stage times for SS3 (http://www.wrc.com/news/update-stage-times-for-ss3/?fid=18196)

[GigiGalliNo1]

So who won the stage? I need to go to sleep. It's Thursday in Australia

[jarredw]

So who won the stage? I need to go to sleep. It's Thursday in Australia

Agreed, its 4.20am on Thursday in NZ haha. Think Loeb will take SS4 as well?

[jarredw]

Juho had a spin in SS4! No damage though.
23'32.3

[satukata]

SS4 Times
Seb 21.54,6
Mikko 22.29
Mads 22.45
Ogier 22.48,3
J-M 22.49
Sordo 23.00,8
Novikov 23.07,6
Hänninen 23.32,3
Prokop 24.16,2

Looks like more muddy for cars behind loeb.. Best place to be first on the road

[uranium]

Guys, I think you can sleep well, tomorrow your morning might be more clear ;)

[Simmi]

Loeb has put a whipping on everyone in that final stage.

Really supreme first day from him but still plenty of tricky stages remaining.

[Mirek]

If those times are correct this time. I tend not to believe in anything now...

[jarredw]

If those times are correct this time. I tend not to believe in anything now...

Those are the times being posted at the end on the board - no contesting from co-drivers. Coming off WRC Live

[RAS007]

So Loeb is almost 3 minutes ahead of everyone after 4 stages? I am not sure I believe those times........

[Simmi]

Don't think Thierry is getting out

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/01/16/bene7e2y.jpg

[satukata]

SS 3 times and overall times are wrong in WRC.com SS 4 times are right!

[satukata]

Don't think Thierry is getting out

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/01/16/bene7e2y.jpg
Looks like they are changing tyre? or is it only whole wheel crashd off?

[Bartek]

No live coverage, no proper results - this is FIA WRC....

[Rallyper]

Well, I´ve been very critical to FIA in the past and I still have. They aren´t doing much right at the moment.

[Donney]

I miss the IRC Montecarlo...

[efe-e]

the tyre is under the car, according to Hanninen, neuville was a bit our of road and had a problem with rear tyres.

[Bartek]

But in photo he is working with front left, maybe another problem...

[Rallyper]

I also think it would have been much more exciting having Loeb in racing laving WRC last year. If the times are correct it would have been more news for the media having 5-6 cars within two minutes...

[Rallyper]

I also think it would have been much more exciting having Loeb in racing leaving WRC last year. If the times are correct it would have been more news for the media having 5-6 cars within two minutes...

[Bartek]

I also think it would have been much more exciting having Loeb in racing laving WRC last year. If the times are correct it would have been more news for the media having 5-6 cars within two minutes...

Maybe the problem is with other drivers not with Loeb :)

[Mirek]

I also think it would have been much more exciting having Loeb in racing laving WRC last year. If the times are correct it would have been more news for the media having 5-6 cars within two minutes...

Maybe more interesting for the media but isn't interesting enough that he is sooooo much faster than anyone else on this planet who tried to beat him? Why people can be happy about having phenomenal specimen in other sports and not in rallying? Why everyone wants to see for example Usain Bolt in athletics and nobody even thinks that without him it would be better? Isn't that because he is the best? Something is wrong with rallying if people think the way You do.

[Kielder]

As you have written here, S(H)IT is a Spanish company. If you want to complain to them directly the email is this: info@tagheuer-timing.es
This is their website: TAG Heuer Professionnal Timing Devices - Timing Systems - Wireless Timing -TAG Heuer Swiss Avant-Garde Since 1860 (http://www.sitsl.com/) Professionnal Timing Devices, LOL.
I'm, of course, outraged :mad: .

[eestlane]

M-Sport confirmed Thierry is out

[HaCo]

M-Sport confirmed Thierry is out

Oh nooo :-(

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[MartijnS]

Not really a surprise, would have been a bigger surprise if he had finished the rally.

[RAS007]

M-Sport confirmed Thierry is out

RAS007 dislikes this.

[Mirek]

Third attempt of RMC and he never got to second day. Interesting also that he crashed on same stage as last year.

[Kielder]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=kDJ710Gm3BI

[HaCo]

Loeb is amazing, as usual!

Pitty about the incorrect times.

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[tommeke_B]

Third attempt of RMC and he never got to second day. Interesting also that he crashed on same stage as last year.
Reminder: In the first year (2011) he crashed because of a broken brake disc.

[Donney]

A shame Neuville is out... but that's Monte for you, there's not such a thing as an easy bend in this rally...

[dimviii]

Neuville if he has another exit at next rally(Sweden is not his favourite) Malcolm will not be so patient like Matton.

[Rallyper]

Maybe more interesting for the media but isn't interesting enough that he is sooooo much faster than anyone else on this planet who tried to beat him? Why people can be happy about having phenomenal specimen in other sports and not in rallying? Why everyone wants to see for example Usain Bolt in athletics and nobody even thinks that without him it would be better? Isn't that because he is the best? Something is wrong with rallying if people think the way You do.

Well, Mirek, ten years from now and Bolt still winning no one, I say no one is interested in 100 m any more.

Loeb is fine. But when he finally decided to leave he should have. And letting the younger boys to play alone. For the excitement of new fresh competition. That´s what I mean.

[dimviii]

Loeb ruined the sport.
Loeb is lucky
Loeb has special car tailored to him.
Loeb has two heads and four arms.

[dimviii]

http://farm9.static.flickr.com/8054/8385825905_6e58b875f5_b.jpghttp://farm9.static.flickr.com/8084/8386912564_b7896a2f12_b.jpghttp://farm9.static.flickr.com/8492/8385825655_32b694b08e_b.jpg

[dimviii]

http://farm9.static.flickr.com/8507/8385825249_903f03be32_b.jpghttp://farm9.static.flickr.com/8093/8386911884_8fc16df952_b.jpghttp://farm9.static.flickr.com/8332/8386911678_7e0785619e_b.jpg

[Kielder]

Nice place, horrible music:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NE4XN_lSuu0&feature=player_embedded#!

[pino]

Great photos dimviii :up:

[dimviii]

http://farm9.static.flickr.com/8507/8386910920_a47c38d177_b.jpg

[amilk]

Well, Mirek, ten years from now and Bolt still winning no one, I say no one is interested in 100 m any more.

Loeb is fine. But when he finally decided to leave he should have. And letting the younger boys to play alone. For the excitement of new fresh competition. That´s what I mean.

I agree with both of you - good to see Loeb as set up the level and shows why he is the "king", but on the same time bad to see such comments (I know it's typical Ogier style)

(8 - Ogier Sébastien / Ingrassia Julien): It is ok, not so bad time. I don't care about Loeb. You have to put that out of your mind. (source rally-base.com)

[dimviii]

(8 - Ogier Sébastien / Ingrassia Julien): It is ok, not so bad time. I don't care about Loeb. You have to put that out of your mind. (source rally-base.com)

thisinterview is after stage 3 i think with the big difference(but lets wait for the correct times to be sure)

[tommeke_B]

thisinterview is after stage 3 i think with the big difference(but lets wait for the correct times to be sure)

Yes, he just heard that he was 20s behind Loeb...

[dimviii]

meanwhile at wrc.com is anybody there? what a circus is this?

[Kielder]

Really a fast section of the stage:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJaModdFwLE

[Kielder]

Fiona needs a new shoe:

https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/480845_330468930392835_1702867009_n.jpg

[cali]

Loeb ruined the sport.
Loeb is lucky
Loeb has special car tailored to him.
Loeb has two heads and four arms.
= GOD :vader:

[tommeke_B]

meanwhile at wrc.com is anybody there? what a circus is this?
It's ashaming... This should be the highest level of the sport, but timekeeping is even better in the smallest regional events...

[dimviii]

Citroen racing unofficial results

1. Loeb / Elena (Citroën DS3 WRC) 39’49.0
2. Ogier / Ingrassia (VW Polo R WRC) +1’20.3
3. Hirvonen / Lehtinen (Citroën DS3 WRC) +1’46.7
4. Sordo / Del Barrio (Citroën DS3 WRC) +2’01.2
5. Latvala / Anttila (VW Polo R WRC) +2’32.2
6. Novikov / Minor (Ford Fiesta RS WRC) +2’50.6
7. Ostberg / Andersson (Ford Fiesta RS WRC) +2’55.1
8. Hanninen / Tuominen (Ford Fiesta RS WRC) +3’03.5


wrc.com has completely different results,these ones with Novikov at 2nd place.

[moynesyt5]

Hi all

Im going to watch the Monte, travelling from the UK, on Friday and Saturday and i'm after some advice.

We're hoping to see the Sisteron stage on Friday, and then the Col de Turini stage on Saturday.

What is it like to get to the stage by car, and parking by the stage? I know we have to get to either the start or finish and walk in, so i know we will have a good walk to get into the stage. We plan to get to the stage about 3 hours before the first car.

Any advice would be good, as it is the first time on the Monte.

I've seen the cold snowy weather, so we will be prepared that way!

Thanks

Dave

[Kielder]

Nice place, nice music :p :


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=rOQRd24DUB4

[PLuto]

Finally results are corrected - Rallye Monte Carlo 2013 - Results - Rally-Base (http://rally-base.com/2013/rallye-monte-carlo-2013/?ssId=1478)

[PLuto]

And penalty for Ostberg after SS 4...

[EightGear]

And penalty for Ostberg after SS 4...

Why?

WRC.com is nog showing correct stagetimes too. World Rally Championship - Results - Rallye Monte-Carlo (http://www.wrc.com/results/2013/rallye-monte-carlo/stage-times/?category=wrc&stageno=4)

[Kielder]

Very dangerous bend:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7NX0Z7HNDM&feature=player_embedded

[makinen_fan]

4
M. OSTBERG (NOR)
TC4A
11M LATE AT TC4A
01:50




according to wrc.com

now times seem to be fine

[dimviii]

The tracking system had also caused issues on the first loop, when Loeb's car was falsely registered as having stopped on stage one.
The officials then asked Citroen to disconnect sensors in Loeb and Dani Sordo's cars.
"For safety reasons and after consultation with the FIA technical delegate, the stewards permit to disconnect the boot and bonnet sensors of the GPS tracking system in car #1 and car #10 as this item apparently blocks the sending of signals from the GPS safety tracking system in these cars," said a stewards' statement.

Timing issues leave WRC teams in the dark on Monte Carlo Rally - WRC news - AUTOSPORT.com (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/105146)

[PLuto]

Ostberg has penalty because of electrical problem. And there is also penalty for Prokop, early arrive to TC 4B...

[dimviii]

http://farm9.static.flickr.com/8329/8386286505_9a5540c3d4_b.jpghttp://farm9.static.flickr.com/8514/8387371782_358e20d585_b.jpghttp://farm9.static.flickr.com/8497/8386287197_77d5b28d95_b.jpg

[fmcv]

The tracking system had also caused issues on the first loop, when Loeb's car was falsely registered as having stopped on stage one.
The officials then asked Citroen to disconnect sensors in Loeb and Dani Sordo's cars.
"For safety reasons and after consultation with the FIA technical delegate, the stewards permit to disconnect the boot and bonnet sensors of the GPS tracking system in car #1 and car #10 as this item apparently blocks the sending of signals from the GPS safety tracking system in these cars," said a stewards' statement.

Timing issues leave WRC teams in the dark on Monte Carlo Rally - WRC news - AUTOSPORT.com (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/105146)

There will be some war on these issues in the next couple of months. The british will emphasize any fails the system may show and the spanish will cheer how well their company is doing... the truth should be somewhere half the way.

[bluuford]

Ohh.. Neuville.. Some more Nassers money to be paid I quess.. I was just looking the recent history and I discovered that Neuville has had 5 off with the resulting retirement in last 7 rallies (and three in a row for now). I think it is one of the worst records from the recent history? Well, he needs to stay on the road to learn.

[dimviii]

There will be some war on these issues in the next couple of months. The british will emphasize any fails the system may show and the spanish will cheer how well their company is doing... the truth should be somewhere half the way.

the only war i fear is if some team dont believe at stage times...This will be the mess..

[dimviii]

Ohh.. Neuville.. Some more Nassers money to be paid I quess.. I was just looking the recent history and I discovered that Neuville has had 5 off with the resulting retirement in last 7 rallies (and three in a row for now). I think it is one of the worst records from the recent history? Well, he needs to stay on the road to learn.

seems that citroen will be lucky at the end with his move to Msport.

[Mirek]

http://farm9.static.flickr.com/8497/8386287197_77d5b28d95_b.jpg

I'm getting mad of not going this year. On stages I would not care about no internet or TV services working...

Anyway it's a shame that such a great rally looks like an epic fail of new promoter compared to last four years with Eurosport...

[dimviii]

finally update for ss3 at wrc.com.
World Rally Championship - News - SS3: Loeb edges further ahead (http://www.wrc.com/news/ss3-loeb-edges-further-ahead/?fid=18197)

[PLuto]

It looks like penalites for Ostberg and Prokop deleted...

[Juha_Koo]

Not a single onboard (or any other video that is) in wrc.com from this day. I miss 2008-2011 when first videos were uploaded in the noon service break and major situations in the evening at latest...

Complete crap I'd say.

[RS]

I was just looking the recent history and I discovered that Neuville has had 5 off with the resulting retirement in last 7 rallies (and three in a row for now). I think it is one of the worst records from the recent history? Well, he needs to stay on the road to learn.

He studied Latvala's results and saw that this is the way to stay employed by M-Sport.

[dimviii]

where is Jafry? come on man!

[cali]

We're living ina blind hope that someday it will get better. But so far it has been a big mess. On the other hand no splits makes it more interesting for die-hard fans :)

[dimviii]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/480835_551557364856822_202954609_n.jpg

[RS]

Hope tomorrow will be a better day. Typical Monte day weather wise but timing was a mess and Loeb is making a mockery of everyone else. And some people say WRC will be better without this guy...

[PLuto]

http://sphotos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/72551_585339398148553_1980200022_n.jpg

[dimviii]

stage 2 Burzet-St Martial at first pass time was for the winner Loeb 25,02 with 73,3 average speed
at second pass stage winner time Loeb was 21,54 with 83,8km/h average.
3minutes and 8 seconds and 10km/h bigger average!!
incredible how the road can change in some 5 hours.

[Mirek]

We're living ina blind hope that someday it will get better. But so far it has been a big mess. On the other hand no splits makes it more interesting for die-hard fans :)

No splits are ok, no relevant results are nok :)

[Franky]

We're living ina blind hope that someday it will get better. But so far it has been a big mess. On the other hand no splits makes it more interesting for die-hard fans :)

But do we actually need splits? Basically we are complaining that we've got nothing to stare at. But what about leaving the splits out and having a live tracking map instead. Visually more interesting at least.

[dimviii]

guys i like splits.

[cali]

But do we actually need splits? Basically we are complaining that we've got nothing to stare at. But what about leaving the splits out and having a live tracking map instead. Visually more interesting at least.

Not a bad idea at all

[dimviii]

day 1 wrap finally
World Rally Championship - News - Day 1 wrap: Loeb in control after final stage win (http://www.wrc.com/news/day-1-wrap-loeb-in-control-after-final-stage-win/?fid=18200)

[tolis]

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2013/1115/1115_rally_monte_carlo_2013_157d1944ce.jpg

Updated gallery: Rally Monte Carlo 2013 - WRC - Mistrovstv svta (http://www.rally-mania.cz/photogallery.php?id=1115)

[Jafry]

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2013/1115/1115_rally_monte_carlo_2013_590f92172f.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2013/1115/1115_rally_monte_carlo_2013_549eb38fd2.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2013/1115/1115_rally_monte_carlo_2013_419170771a.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2013/1115/1115_rally_monte_carlo_2013_03175d4389.jpg

More photos from DAY 1 HERE (http://www.rally-mania.cz/photogallery.php?id=1115)

[Back-N-Black]

Anyone else want to complain? This is the man to write to!

@MatBarbera on twitter: Head of content at @fia. Ex-Media Manager of PSG. Life, sports and medias. All comments are my own.

You silly guys, FIA is doing this on purpose. This will happen for every rally that Loeb runs this year, this way we don't all stop watching because we know he is going to be the winner and the rest is boring.

[Miika]

Timing issues leave WRC teams in the dark on Monte Carlo Rally - WRC news - AUTOSPORT.com (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/105146)

The future of the WRC was yesterday.

[tommeke_B]

Monte-Carlo : Highlights de la 1ère journée du 16 Janvier 2013, Rallye : RTBF Vidéo (http://www.rtbf.be/video/detail_monte-carlo-les-highlights-de-la-1ere-journee?id=1791765) - Some highlights-video from today. :)

[dimviii]

cant watch it in Greece.damn...

[dimviii]

some wide lines for Latvala..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Jff8j80GIwU

[Allyc85]

UK fans are pissed off, teams are pissed off...

Monte Carlo Rally: World Rally teams furious over timing issue - WRC news - AUTOSPORT.com (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/105149)

Great start to the new era.

[Rallyper]

Hope tomorrow will be a better day. Typical Monte day weather wise but timing was a mess and Loeb is making a mockery of everyone else. And some people say WRC will be better without this guy...

Worst case scenario is Loeb winning both MC and RS and decides to go on this whole season...

The greatest driver ever should know when to leave. Else he´s doing mockery of all the WRC which, with all the timing issues, already is on the way to be...

As someone mentioned the future of WRC was yesterday. Lets´s see what happens tomorrow.

[dimviii]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=xIok5y7vmA8

[tolis]

Day 1 highlights: Leg 1 Highlights - 2013 WRC Rallye Monte-Carlo - Best-of-RallyLive.com - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIok5y7vmA8)

[Gregor-y]

Worst case scenario is Loeb winning both MC and RS and decides to go on this whole season...
I would think the worst case is Loeb winning the title with his current reduced schedule. On the other hand, it would mean some intense competition among everyone else.

[wrc1600]

I remember 2007-2009 when highlights were shown every night on Eurosport as well as preview of every rally, stage times were always on time and correct. Now we have disappointment and embarrassment. Who is responsible for those changes? Any names?

[A.F.F.]

Very much like I suspected, only Ogier's position is a suprise. Loeb dominate and others try to keep up. Finns way behind. There just isn't a Finn who feels comfortable in Monte :mark:

[rallye-sport]

Update photos -> SS1, SS2, SS3 and SS4 !
http://www.rallye-sport.fr/photos-rallye-monte-carlo-2013/ (http://www.forum-auto.com/)

http://www.rallye-sport.fr/wp-content/gallery/valence-monte-carlo-2013/img_9330.jpg

http://www.rallye-sport.fr/wp-content/gallery/valence-monte-carlo-2013/img_5145.jpg

http://www.rallye-sport.fr/wp-content/gallery/valence-monte-carlo-2013/vialatte_aurelien_03.jpg

[Mirek]

God, how much I love those Michelin videos...

[Wim_Impreza]

Very much like I suspected, only Ogier's position is a suprise. Loeb dominate and others try to keep up. Finns way behind. There just isn't a Finn who feels comfortable in Monte :mark:

Maybe they can ask advice to Tommi Mäkinen?

[Mirek]

Very much like I suspected, only Ogier's position is a suprise. Loeb dominate and others try to keep up. Finns way behind. There just isn't a Finn who feels comfortable in Monte :mark:

I think that the one whose first ever kilometers with WRC on snow were yesterday feels quite well in Monte ;)

[amilk]

Very much like I suspected, only Ogier's position is a suprise. Loeb dominate and others try to keep up. Finns way behind. There just isn't a Finn who feels comfortable in Monte :mark:

Ogier - his gap to Loeb in 2012 was 2.21 min with S2000 after day1, now in a WRC car ~1 minute less. Seeing some videos he takes lot of risks like last year.

[T.Maanteiden kuningas]

I think that the one whose first ever kilometers with WRC on snow were yesterday feels quite well in Monte ;)

Who?!

[dimviii]

God, how much I love those Michelin videos...

this one you gonna love more!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=fiHQH89tWC0

[vkangas]

Very much like I suspected, only Ogier's position is a suprise. Loeb dominate and others try to keep up. Finns way behind. There just isn't a Finn who feels comfortable in Monte :mark:
Tommi Mäkinen? ;)

[danon]

Prokop :bounce:

[dimviii]

Who?!

Hana Juho HANAAAA!!!

[vkangas]

Who?!
Juho?

[jbmarcus21]

#WRC #montecarlo13 DAY1 PHOTOS & VIDEOS Live Rallye Wrc Monte-Carlo 2013 (http://planetemarcus.com/saison-wrc/monte-carlo-2013/live-rallye-wrc-monte-carlo-2013/)