Rallye Wrc Monte-Carlo 2013

[Tom206wrc]

No splits working properly again ??? :mad:

[Kielder]

Sordo has shown his thought about swapping positions:

http://fotos.subefotos.com/c2810ae4dadcb0ec86e1b741e885faf2o.jpg

[Allyc85]

Is someone going to tell WRC Live Radio that the stage is delayed?!

[Brother John]

I think these top ace drivers should be better driving on these roads. This what we have in swedish ordinary traffic several times a year... :s mokin:

In 2 weeks we will see live in Sweden what will happen with the wrc drivers and the split times.
Hopefully not the same mess as this weekend. ;)

[Kielder]

View of some bends of the Turini from the air, uploaded by VW:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BA_ED0MCQAAGnZL.jpg:large

[PLuto]

Latvala SS 14: There was more wet snow on the road than I expected and car would not turn in to the corner and we hit a wall quite heavily, very disappointing for the team. :-(

[stefanvv]

The first run of Turini there were some splits, now it's even worse, none

[Mirek]

View of some bends of the Turini from the air, uploaded by VW:

Must be close to finish at Le Bolléne.


The first run of Turini there were some splits, now it's even worse, none

They were so wrong that it's sure better without them :)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Hirvo well up on Sordo ??

[PLuto]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BA_LuS5CEAA59kw.jpg:large

[A FONDO]

Sordo has shown his thought about swapping positions:

http://fotos.subefotos.com/c2810ae4dadcb0ec86e1b741e885faf2o.jpg

what is your post supposed to mean???????????????????????

[oyunbozan]

drivers.
but there is a variety of drivers on citroen seat, hirvonen, sordo, bofuier..ok.. seb L. is an android i accept that.

[Kielder]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BA-rGxUCcAATMow.jpg:large

[bt52b]

Seb thru ok

22:08.8

[dimviii]

but there is a variety of drivers on citroen seat, hirvonen, sordo, bofuier..ok.. seb L. is an android i accept that.

Mikko is even more reliable than Seb.Sordo pretty reliable too

[Martin Luijk]

what is your post supposed to mean???????????????????????

I think that's a joke. What are your question marks supposed to mean?

[Mise]

what is your post supposed to mean???????????????????????

That is supposed to be a joke.
Little slow today?

[Mirek]

The photo shows a lot of snow is gone on the road but with the coming night it may change to ice...

[stefanvv]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BA-rGxUCcAATMow.jpg:large

What's that?

[Salist]

Ogier is 4s slower than Loeb in SS16

[dimviii]

24,49 at 1st pass for Loeb
22,08 at 2nd pass

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Need to be fast AND reliable...

But its easier to make a fast driver reliable, than a reliable driver fast...

[stefanvv]

Ogier is 4s slower than Loeb in SS16

Now the road should be more clean, it's normal

[Andre Oliveira]

Bouffier 23.56.9 on SS14
Loeb 22.08.8 on SS16

[werner]

Bouffier again flying!

[stefanvv]

The photo shows a lot of snow is gone on the road but with the coming night it may change to ice...

What temperature is expected?

[Tom206wrc]

Bouffier very fast on 3rd split :confused:

[Andre Oliveira]

Bouffier 32.1 faster that Sordo on split2 (wait to confirmation)

[Kielder]

Crugnola 7th time in SS15 :eek: .

[OldF]

David Evans on Twitter.

“Turini at its absolute best today. Incredible! And two more to come. This is why ours is the best sport in the world.”

[stefanvv]

This stage next year will be named to Bouffier like it seems

[donlorean]

Bouffier 32.1 faster that Sordo on split2 (wait to confirmation)
At first Mikko was also 30sek faster that Sordo on that split so lets wait...

And it changes to 8 sek...

[werner]

Bouffier 32.1 faster that Sordo on split2 (wait to confirmation)

Its corrected ... shame on that split service!

(10 - Sordo Dani / Del Barrio Carlos): It was really, really tough. When I have seen that Mikko is on split slow on stage, so I have slowed down too.

If drivers have same splits as we see on wrc.com ... good night!

[PLuto]

Thats why I dont like splits: flash info on SS 16: (10 - Sordo Dani / Del Barrio Carlos): It was really, really tough. When I have seen that Mikko is on split slow on stage, so I have slowed down too.

[danon]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/554269_583823558299165_715879635_n.jpg

[stefanvv]

Thats why I dont like splits: flash info on SS 16: (10 - Sordo Dani / Del Barrio Carlos): It was really, really tough. When I have seen that Mikko is on split slow on stage, so I have slowed down too.

Uffffff

[dimviii]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=8kv9J01QerQ

[bt52b]

Mikko 23:10.3


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[Mirek]

On the photo from first run of Turini the spectators hold umbrellas. It's 1600 meters above sea level...

[Kielder]

Ostberg with problems too!


What's that?

Turini's top during last run :) .

[A FONDO]

That is supposed to be a joke.
Little slow today?

I thought he is spanish that's why I'm surprised he jokes with Sordo. That pic is just before Spain 2009 where he bent down deeply.

[Mirek]

That makes Ford disaster complete...

[werner]

Ostberg with problems too!



Turini's top during last run :) .

So Bouffier will pass Ostberg in Overall, and no Ford in Top 5!

[bt52b]

That makes Ford disaster complete...

What happen Juho, it says mechanical?

[Andre Oliveira]

Prokop will be the best Ford ;)

[Tom206wrc]

Very bad 2nd split for Östberg :confused:

[stefanvv]

That makes Ford disaster complete...

I guess the long running record for Ford will end now

[Andre Oliveira]

Bouffier pass Ostberg

[Salist]

Great save for Juho!



http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=8kv9J01QerQ

[Andre Oliveira]

Ostberg loses brakes after hiting something and broke the wheel

[dimviii]

That makes Ford disaster complete...

''whatever you pay,that you get ''we use to say at Greece...

[stefanvv]

Hirvonen is over minute slower than Loeb at this stage, is that the main title contender?

[WUff1]

Puncture of Ostberg according to Bryan Bouffier

[Mirek]

I don't know if such statement is used in English but Prokop said today: "Hyena style in action". I think You understand what he meant about his driving today and that he is well aware of himself being awfully slow.

[Zeropt]

Almost everyone in arriving to finish mode, bummer...

[bt52b]

Ostberg hit & broke rear wheel , toe out 20mm front to rear

Lot of rain and snow on top

Road just above freezing at finish

[Pascal 07]

ES 2 & ES 4 :

http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/9666/16012013mtp0482jpgajpgb.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/502/16012013mtp0482jpgajpgb.jpg/)

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/4159/16012013mtp0536jpga.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/442/16012013mtp0536jpga.jpg/)

http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/6510/16012013mtp0558jpgajpga.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/694/16012013mtp0558jpgajpga.jpg/)

http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/8285/16012013dsc2815jpgajpgb.jpg

[skarderud]

Go Mads, make that car to finish! Not that bad to be a monte "virgin" thought...

[EightGear]

Ostberg is a lightyear ahead of Prokop so not too big problems.

[dimviii]

quite heavy crash!
http://i16.servimg.com/u/f16/14/32/92/06/36512_10.jpg

[Mirek]

Ostberg hit rear wheel, toe out 20mm front to rear

With just that he would be able to go to service. Hopefully he can.

[danon]

Prokop will be the best Ford ;)

The cruiser one takes it all. What an irony. Unbelievable.

[Mirek]

Wiegand: On the top of Turini I made a big spin, so I think spectators were happy with us. :D

[stefanvv]

quite heavy crash!

Indeed, good that everybofy are OK

[Salist]

+1

[WRC 2013]

Citroen
VW
Citroen
Citroen
Citroen

...
Too many Citroens.

[PLuto]

What happen Juho, it says mechanical?

broken left front wheel

[dimviii]

3 Spanish spectators felt in a ravine stage will be cancelled

[EightGear]

Citroen
VW
Citroen
Citroen
Citroen

...
Too many Citroens.

Just a few hours ago it was

Citroen
VW
Ford
Citroen
VW

So who's fault is it that has changed?

[Tom206wrc]

Stage cancelled because of fall of spanish spectators :mark:

[Salist]

Rally fans:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BAqNUQCCIAERrqT.jpg:large

[WRC 2013]

Just a few hours ago it was

Citroen
VW
Ford
Citroen
VW

So who's fault is it that has changed?

Drivers mistakes.

[Mirek]

3 Spanish spectators felt in a ravine stage will be cancelled

Oh, I hope it's not get too serious!

[dimviii]

Just a few hours ago it was

Citroen
VW
Ford
Citroen
VW

So who's fault is it that has changed?

Loeb is lucky.

[Tom206wrc]

Citroen
VW
Citroen
Citroen
Citroen

...
Too many Citroens.



Germans can sing "deutsche Qualität über alles" as they want, french quality isn't bad neither :D

[Salist]

This stage (SS16)?


Stage cancelled because of fall of spanish spectators :mark:

[Kielder]

I thought he is spanish that's why I'm surprised he jokes with Sordo. That pic is just before Spain 2009 where he bent down deeply.

That pic was a joking way to state my opinion that Sordo won't accept team orders now. Citroen asking him to slow down would be a nonsense. Latvala is out, Sordo will do the full season.
P.S. I can joke with everyone, no matter the nationality. I'm a fan, not a fanatic :) .

[Tom206wrc]

This stage (SS16)?



No idea if the rerun(SS17) later will be done or not :confused:

[Rallyper]

With just that he would be able to go to service. Hopefully he can.

He said in norwegian going to service was no problem.

[stefanvv]

3 Spanish spectators felt in a ravine stage will be cancelled

Oooo, too excited for Sordo?

[WRC 2013]

Germans can sing "deutsche Qualität über alles" as they want, french quality isn't bad neither :D

French drivers uber alles.

[Salist]

Thanks Tom.

No idea if the rerun(SS17) later will be done or not :confused:

[WUff1]

Cancelled or stopped, with the following drivers obtaining notional time?

Hope it´s nothing serious with the spanish fans ...

[dimviii]

This stage (SS16)?

yes stage 16 will be cancelled.

[dimviii]

Cancelled or stopped, with the following drivers obtaining notional time?

Hope it´s nothing serious with the spanish fans ...

from rally-base
Stage stopped after st.no. 47 because of spectators incident. Other crew will obtain notional time.

[Allyc85]

Drivers should stop bitching about the conditions and get on with it...

Hope those Spanish fans are ok. Wonder if they have had one too many beers while waiting for the cars! :beer:

[Rallyper]

Stage should be cleared before next time tonight, shouldn´t it?

[PLuto]

Stage should be cleared before next time tonight, shouldn´t it?

We will see...

[stefanvv]

Stage should be cleared before next time tonight, shouldn´t it?

3 spectators shouldn't be a problem

[dimviii]

Stage should be cleared before next time tonight, shouldn´t it?

more than 2 hours for next pass.Hope everything is ok.

[qbus]

Drivers should stop bitching about the conditions and get on with it...

Hope those Spanish fans are ok. Wonder if they have had one too many beers while waiting for the cars! :beer:

If they were drunk they will be ok for sure!

[stefanvv]

What a drama in this Rally, now with spectators, hope everything is ok with them

[stefanvv]

Germans can sing "deutsche Qualität über alles" as they want, french quality isn't bad neither :D

http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2013/photos/rallye_monte_carlo_2013/grr_img_2721.jpg

[stefanvv]

http://www.ewrc.cz/ewrc/image_browse.php?id=106558

[Salist]

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8230/8391315369_8219d31fc0_o.jpg

[danon]

I don't know if such statement is used in English but Prokop said today: "Hyena style in action". I think You understand what he meant about his driving today and that he is well aware of himself being awfully slow.

the hyena is A one disgusting creature liked by a handful of people

[Kielder]

http://www.autohebdo.fr/images/news/2013/0119-191245.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BA_gHpzCEAAqmXK.jpg:large

[COD]

You really don't understand rallyiing, do you? Following ypur plan, you would probably have to drive on your rims the last day

Yeah right I don't... So you are saying that without splits these modern drivers don't know when to attack and when not without destroying their tyres?
Driving as fast as you can, doesn't mean being stupid. This was possible long before splits were introduced...

[tolis]

I hope the specators are ok!
Can't wait 2 hours...I'll watch the live coverage of Turini 2010 till the start of the stage! You are all welcome guys! :)

[stefanvv]

There is one survey for you: Do you think Loeb will push on the power stage?

[Salist]

Photos Rallye Monte-Carlo 2013 (http://www.rallye-sport.fr/photos-rallye-monte-carlo-2013/)

[WUff1]

According to a German forum one of the 3 specatators suffered a broken leg, the other two nothing serious.

[rallye-sport]

Update SS14 + SS16 -> Photos Rallye Monte-Carlo 2013 (http://www.rallye-sport.fr/photos-rallye-monte-carlo-2013/)


http://www.rallye-sport.fr/wp-content/gallery/valence-monte-carlo-2013/img_9532.jpg



http://www.rallye-sport.fr/wp-content/gallery/valence-monte-carlo-2013/img_6274.jpg



http://www.rallye-sport.fr/wp-content/gallery/valence-monte-carlo-2013/img_9596.jpg



http://www.rallye-sport.fr/wp-content/gallery/valence-monte-carlo-2013/img_6381.jpg

[Kielder]

The second one is at the start of St Bonnet:

http://sphotos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/735109_10151201897215754_635444208_n.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BA_EwPRCMAAysnh.jpg:large

[PLuto]

Both spectators on Turini are ok, only minor injuries - Autosport (http://www.autosport.cz/clanek.php?cl=14805)

[tommeke_B]

"Deux spectateurs font une chute sur le rallye de Monte-Carlo
Monacosamedi 19
January 2013 - 18:46
1 commentaire
0 recommandation
La spéciale N°16 (Moulinet-La Bollène Vésubie) de la 81e édition du rallye Monte-Carlo, qui s'achève samedi soir, a été neutralisée par les organisateurs après la chute de deux spectateurs.
Les deux victimes ont été localisées, la nature de leurs blessures étaient légères. L'un d'entre-eux souffriraient d'un petit trauma. Les secours sont sur place.
Cet accident n'a pas de lien direct avec la course, et n'a en tout cas pas été provoqué par une sortie de route d'un équipage.
Il ne devrait pas y avoir de répercussion sur le déroulement final de la course."

From a news article.
It were 2 spectators and they were not seriously injured... Good. :) They also mention it has nothing to do directly with the rally.

[Mise]

According to a German forum one of the 3 specatators suffered a broken leg, the other two nothing serious.

they may feel sick tomorrow and have a lil headache.

[Mirek]

Good that happy ends still happen :)

[Kielder]

Changing again my laptop's wallpaper:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BA_gvyACIAENUTb.jpg:large

[Allyc85]

Looks a bit different to when I was there in July :)

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8468/8080481006_956def0485_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/allyc85/8080481006/)
Summit of the Col de Turini (http://www.flickr.com/photos/allyc85/8080481006/) by Alastair Cummins (http://www.flickr.com/people/allyc85/), on Flickr

[AndyRAC]

Final 2 stages cancelled......???

Just announced on RallyRadio.......

[Kielder]

It's over :( :

Citroën Racing (https://twitter.com/CitroenRacing)
The two last stages are cancelled and the rally is over! Congratulations to Seb Loeb and Daniel Elena who win their 7th Monte-Carlo.

[Gregor-y]

Well this is a fine thing to come home from breakfast to hear! I was all set to listen to Turini coverage this afternoon...

[Salist]

End of the rally. :-(

[T.Maanteiden kuningas]

YES!!!

[HaCo]

7 stage winners, good start of the season!

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[T.Maanteiden kuningas]

Great job Mikko!!!! Awesome!

[Allyc85]

Disappointed :(

[Langdale Forest]

WHY have they cancelled it????

[Bartek]

Why? Conditions?

[WUff1]

Congrats to Bryan Bouffier!

[HaCo]

Pitty the rally has to end, congratulations to VW for their excellent start!

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[Salist]

I don't know I heard in Rally Radio.

[werner]

The gaps between the Top 10 drivers were high, so maybe no changes in overall classification.

[PLuto]

Very bad end for such an interesting rally...

[Mirek]

Traffic jams on liaisons? That used to be usual case of canceled stages in this area...

[WUff1]

According to Rally Radio too many people on the road and stages.

[Kielder]

According to Rally Radio too many people on the road and stages.

It's right:

AUTOhebdo.fr | Loeb vainqueur du Monte-Carlo (http://www.autohebdo.fr/rallye/wrc/breve-26-1-41543/190113-loeb-vainqueur-du-monte-carlo)

Could it be an excuse?http://www.autohebdo.fr/rallye/wrc/breve-26-1-41543/190113-loeb-vainqueur-du-monte-carlo

[Bartek]

The gaps between the Top 10 drivers were high, so maybe no changes in overall classification.

But this is Monte :) In one moment you can lose everything. I think weather is too bad to drive in this conditions....

[Salist]

Ha-ha-ha.

[Salist]

This is a rally race, not F1 or Indy Car!!!

[Bartek]

Ok, from good rally now i have mixed feelings. People waited from many hours in Turini and in other places...

[RS]

What a disappointing end to the rally :(

[werner]

Anyway we have to wait some time for final overall classification due to the notional times for most of crews after stage 16 ...

[seb_sh]

Too bad the last stages were cancelled, but I guess everyone was cruising anyway. Only crashes/problems could have changed things. It was a nice rally though.

Seeing as the VW is competitive I think it will be a battle between Hirvonen and Ogier for the title. Latvala, Sordo and Ostberg may be close as well but will need some luck to get the title.

[oerigh]

This is just rubbish! Monte-Carlo doesn't deserve to be on next year's calendar!

[rp]

Maybe this can happen only in France :-( Surely it is very difficult to control spectators and the weather was bad, but it should be the highest level of world rallying and we all remember the past in Monte Carlo. Now there were no two decisives stages at all..

Of course the best drivers were still in the game.

[RAS007]

Extremely disappointing end to an otherwise terrific start to the 2013 season.

[PLuto]

Anyway we have to wait some time for final overall classification due to the notional times for most of crews after stage 16 ...

And this will take a lot of time, I am afraid...

[r199]

And Loeb gets on trown in his lap again, this is FUBAR

[amilk]

According to Rally Radio too many people on the road and stages.

But this is not so suprising in RMC. Sorry for the spectators out there in the montains. (and sorry for us)

Al to all for me that was the most spectacular RMC in 10 years , bad that I missed this one in live.

Citroen:
Seeing Ogier there is no garantie for the title for Citroen. Mikko dissapointed but ok KKK was also not shining in RMC. It will be hard for him even against Sordo. Sordo good as usual. It will be interesting to see without team orders this year
Loeb - the master, we will miss him in 1-2 years even it was boring the title fight in the past years.

VW
Ogier very quick even this rally one of his favorite. His style still needs to improved. Latvala - If he continue like at Ford with crashes, his carrier will be in risk.
Congrat to VW - the experience not count if you have enough money you can buy it. They have

Ford - young talents on tricky conditions, sorry for them, they will shine on some races for sure this year if Loeb out for circuit racing.

[Mirek]

This is just rubbish! Monte-Carlo doesn't deserve to be on next year's calendar!


Maybe this can happen only in France :-( Surely it is very difficult to control spectators and the weather was bad, but it should be the highest level of world rallying and we all remember the past in Monte Carlo. Now there were no two decisives stages at all..

Of course the best drivers were still in the game.

You should go there to see the situation. There are extremely few roads in the mountains and the spectators very easily block them especially when in the south people don't use winter tyres a lot. Really go there for that experience because otherwise You can't understand how easy it is and that the organization can't do anything against that except running whole rally in the north out of these iconic stages.

Do You know why they run most of the rally during working week? Now You see the answer...

[dimviii]

Pitty as some drivers maybe had kept their tyres for the final stages.

[WRC1]

Great job Mikko!!!! Awesome!

wich mikko do you mean exactly???

[Mirek]

I am afraid this was for a long time last attempt for night Turini. Many years a go they stopped with it due to these troubles. In the IRC they brought it back but there were somewhat less spectators so it was working. Last year was ok with easy, relatively warm weather and dry. I guess next year they either end the rally on Friday or won't run night stages in Alpes Maritimes.

[Racing Ka]

Quite disaster, timing problems a lot and now cancelled stages.. Some homework to do RMC next year.

[amilk]

Quite disaster, timing problems a lot and now cancelled stages.. Some homework to do RMC next year.

Timing problems - nothing to do with RMC organisers
Cancelled stages - it happen on other rounds also sometimes
Look for the positives also. We had some in the past days.

[Salist]

Juho's car:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BA_2dO7CIAACMCt.jpg:large

Photo: Julian Porter

[Salist]

Zoom:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BA_3Ei-CYAE5XFi.jpg:large

[oerigh]

You should go there to see the situation. There are extremely few roads in the mountains and the spectators very easily block them especially when in the south people don't use winter tyres a lot. Really go there for that experience because otherwise You can't understand how easy it is and that the organization can't do anything against that except running whole rally in the north out of these iconic stages.

Do You know why they run most of the rally during working week? Now You see the answer...

I agree that I don't know what the actual conditions were. My problem with this thing is that the organizers DELIBARETLY DECIDED to have the last stages run in the dark. It was an unacceptable mistake from their part to make that misjudgement.

[Mad cat jnr]

Cant blame timing on RMC.

And if there is alot of traffic on the roads, meaning crews will be driving daft to get to the time controls on time then I am all for the cancellation!

[Francis44]

Still I admire the organizers for having the balls to put those stages at night in the route. For me night stages are one of the most beautiful and memorable things of this sport, and unfortunately few organizers nowadays take that risk. The problem with too many spectators is really out of their hands.

[ChristianArp]

I agree that I don't know what the actual conditions were. My problem with this thing is that the organizers DELIBARETLY DECIDED to have the last stages run in the dark. It was an unacceptable mistake from their part to make that misjudgement.

Turini in the dark is one of THE most classic stages in the history of world rallying - surely if Turini is in the race itinerary, it will be run in the dark at least once.. anything else would most likely result in a massive outcry even before the rally starts..

That the organisers were caught out by bad weather and other factors can't be their fault? And to reiterate Mireks point: Until you've been there, you have absolutely no clue just how few access roads are there.. and thereby just how easy it is for traffic issues to arise.
Unfortunately this most likely will result in the loss of such an iconic stage, which is a massive shame!

[Mad cat jnr]

I think the real reason for cancelling is the lack of studded tyres left for drivers and teams not being happy about going without them for the last 2.

[Mirek]

I agree that I don't know what the actual conditions were. My problem with this thing is that the organizers DELIBARETLY DECIDED to have the last stages run in the dark. It was an unacceptable mistake from their part to make that misjudgement.

Come on, man. Night Turini used to be one of the most classic things through the history of rallying. Do You know how many people were more than happy when it came back in 2009 and returned the memories of gr.B legends climbing up the mountains in the night to reach the Mekka, sorry, Col de Turini? For four years the night run over these stages was one of the season highlights. Now it failed. That happens. In case of extraordinary things it is sometimes better to try and fail than not to try at all.

[stefanvv]

I'm veeeery dissapointed, the night Turini would be the culmination of this Rally. Can't the organizers control the spectators?

Anyway, congratulations for Loeb for the flawless Rally and winning it totally under control, VW (and Ogier) for their very successfult first outing, I'm little dissapointed by Latvala's out, but in these conditions, anything can happen. Sordo was successful also IMO, these are not his favorite conditions. For the rest I can distinguish both Ford drivers - Novikov and Hanninen for their spirit.

[Kielder]

http://i49.tinypic.com/2v2zfwk.jpg

Well, this vintage card that VW published days ago has lost some kms, but the keywords were absolutely truth.

[rp]

You should go there to see the situation. There are extremely few roads in the mountains and the spectators very easily block them especially when in the south people don't use winter tyres a lot. Really go there for that experience because otherwise You can't understand how easy it is and that the organization can't do anything against that except running whole rally in the north out of these iconic stages.

Do You know why they run most of the rally during working week? Now You see the answer...

Yes, surely it must be difficult, but they have to think it before it can happen. This is not acceptable on the WRC level. If it is not possible to drive Turini during the weekend and control the people they have to do it during the week or not to do it at all...

[Racing Ka]

It looks like SIT didn`t know what they do and hope RMC as organizer do back up timing, but it took quite a long to get results.
About the traffic, they should know "everybody" want to go last stages and have marshalls enough also before SS.

Gongrats to Loeb/Elena!

[amilk]

For me the mistake - if there was any - to run the stage 3 times. Maybe after 2nd run lot of spectators started to leave the stage and that caused some jame at the road section. The rest was like in last year. As I see the pics from Turini there was no more pople than last year. Ok I just speculate. Tyre could be also an issue linked to safety. The manus. are agreed in the backgorund that better to stop.

[Mirek]

I think the real reason for cancelling is the lack of studded tyres left for drivers and teams not being happy about going without them for the last 2.

That certainly can be a hidden reason too. It's easy to find some "official" reason to cancel stages here as the spectators really are everywhere. So if the teams decided to use them as a reason to safe themselves not to look that bad...

[oerigh]

Come on, man. Night Turini used to be one of the most classic things through the history of rallying. Do You know how many people were more than happy when it came back in 2009 and returned the memories of gr.B legends climbing up the mountains in the night to reach the Mekka, sorry, Col de Turini? For four years the night run over these stages was one of the season highlights. Now it failed. That happens. In case of extraordinary things it is sometimes better to try and fail than not to try at all.

They were lucky with it during the IRC years. During that time Monte-Carlo was apparently too good for WRC. Now they've completely managed to botch the opening of the season.

[kirungi okwogera]

And Loeb gets on trown in his lap again, this is FUBAR

What??? He threw the victory in his own lap by driving faster than everybody for 3 days. What, you think Ogier was going to pull back nearly 2 minutes in 2 stages?

This has been one of the best RMCs in a long while, with conditions worthy of the name. It's not like they canceled Turini before running it, it was run. Twice. What a disappointment...?

Yes I would like night stages too but if it's impractical with the crowds in Alpes-Maritimes region then some other rallies should give it a try. Rallies have to adapt to the conditions. We'd all be shaking our heads at RMC's organizers if they ran Turini again tonight and a car lost it and wiped out spectators.

[stefanvv]

And PS becomes.... :confused: SS15 or SS16?

[PLuto]

I think the real reason for cancelling is the lack of studded tyres left for drivers and teams not being happy about going without them for the last 2.

I agree with you...

[ChristianArp]

They were lucky with it during the IRC years. During that time Monte-Carlo was apparently too good for WRC. Now they've completely managed to botch the opening of the season.

Oh how you just missed the mark! They haven't botched the opening of the season, not by any means. Chances of any changes to the overall classification were slim at best, and we've had the enjoyment of 3 full days of snowy Monte at its finest.
If anything, this was one of the better season openers in recent years, if we disregard the amount of WRC entries. Overall though, there have been plenty of positives to take from this rally in many ways. Not perfect, but very good.

[amilk]

That certainly can be a hidden reason too. It's easy to find some "official" reason to cancel stages here as the spectators really are everywhere. So if the teams decided to use them as a reason to safe themselves not to look that bad...

There was still time before the stage run - so the uncontrolled spectators are usually real reason if the cars are near to the stage - until the organisers are working on that. The road section can be more difficult here. I bet to the tyres.

[Mirek]

It looks like SIT didn`t know what they do and hope RMC as organizer do back up timing, but it took quite a long to get results.
About the traffic, they should know "everybody" want to go last stages and have marshalls enough also before SS.

Gongrats to Loeb/Elena!

They actually have police several kilometers from stages in this area. Only media can go through. But that doesn't change anything. When You have a narrow road in the mountains where there are crossroads only after ten or more kilometers You don't solve anything by stopping the traffic two kilometers sooner. You just move the jam but it's still there. There are no roads to go around so it doesn't matter if You block it 100 meters from stage or five kilometers away.

[Rallyper]

Quite disaster, timing problems a lot and now cancelled stages.. Some homework to do RMC next year.

It can´t be any RMC next year with that bad organizer! Not for ever. Such a bad organizer with no foreseeing at all... not expecting crowds to visit a Saturday evening??

I guess Citroen wanted it this way. Maybe something wrong with Sebs car we don´t know.

This is not serious doing like that.

I´m totally furious about this. Two more stages that could have changed it all!!

I guess we have to cancel Pickem´s as well...

[Kielder]

The problem of the Monte is that you can't always combine the past and the present...

https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/553456_365558956875405_1879368675_n.jpg

[kirungi okwogera]

That certainly can be a hidden reason too. It's easy to find some "official" reason to cancel stages here as the spectators really are everywhere. So if the teams decided to use them as a reason to safe themselves not to look that bad...

I agree that that is a possibility, but looking bad may not be the first concern. You heard the drivers after SS14... no control, crazy, etc... reminds me of the quotes of Toivonen right before the stage he died on.

[Mirek]

For me it was a fantastic event. Full of action, incredibly spectacular due to the weather. A lot of unusual things happening during the rally. Of course it could have ended better but hey, let's cool our heads and speak about that tomorrow. What we saw during those 420 km of stages (really that much was done despite the cancellation of last two) was just great.

[oerigh]

Oh how you just missed the mark! They haven't botched the opening of the season, not by any means. Chances of any changes to the overall classification were slim at best, and we've had the enjoyment of 3 full days of snowy Monte at its finest.
If anything, this was one of the better season openers in recent years, if we disregard the amount of WRC entries. Overall though, there have been plenty of positives to take from this rally in many ways. Not perfect, but very good.

I enjoyed the first three days too. I didn't even really care about the timing issues because no stages were eventually ignored due to those problems. I just can't remember the last time when the last stages of a rally were cancelled because of bs reasons like here.

[kirungi okwogera]

It can´t be any RMC next year with that bad organizer! Not for ever. Such a bad organizer with no foreseeing at all... not expecting crowds to visit a Saturday evening??

I guess Citroen wanted it this way. Maybe something wrong with Sebs car we don´t know.

This is not serious doing like that.

I´m totally furious about this. Two more stages that could have changed it all!!

I guess we have to cancel Pickem´s as well...


Also the moon landing was faked, right?

I know everybody's disappointed but have some perspective. Things can disrupt rallies that no organizer, no matter how good, can fix. Like Mirek says, HOW do you handle the crowds - even if you turn them back, where can they go where they will not disrupt the rally, if there are enough of them?

[Rallyper]

For me it was a fantastic event. Full of action, incredibly spectacular due to the weather. A lot of unusual things happening during the rally. Of course it could have ended better but hey, let's cool our heads and speak about that tomorrow. What we saw during those 440 km of stages (really that much was done) was just great.

For us sitting at home with PC it was a disaster not having adecvat timing. And on top this! PFFFFFHHHHHHHH!!!

[stefanvv]

For me it was a fantastic event. Full of action, incredibly spectacular due to the weather. A lot of unusual things happening during the rally. Of course it could have ended better but hey, let's cool our heads and speak about that tomorrow. What we saw during those 420 km of stages (really that much was done despite the cancellation of last two) was just great.

You're right, but I'm still somehow dissapointed, this shouldn't happen in a well organized Rally

[Racing Ka]

Mikko just tell on MTV3 they should have narrow Swede type winter tyres for last stages.

[dimviii]

That certainly can be a hidden reason too. It's easy to find some "official" reason to cancel stages here as the spectators really are everywhere. So if the teams decided to use them as a reason to safe themselves not to look that bad...
οr maybe is the timing/gps/safety another reason? With worst conditions may the things come worst?

[Rallyper]

Also the moon landing was faked, right?

I know everybody's disappointed but have some perspective. Things can disrupt rallies that no organizer, no matter how good, can fix. Like Mirek says, HOW do you handle the crowds - even if you turn them back, where can they go where they will not disrupt the rally, if there are enough of them?

For how long have they done this rally? Tell me? 50-60 yrs?

Is this a sudden happening or not?

No, man. This could be predicted. And they didn´t take measures for it. It just that. It´s very nonchalant.

[bt52b]

Quite disaster, timing problems a lot and now cancelled stages.. Some homework to do RMC next year.

Same crap, different year

[Ucci]

Pitty for such end of this classic rally. I can not imagine the frustration for coming on this legendary stage from another part of the Europe and then cancelation???!!! I'm sorry for all the fans.
About the results: Loeb can win this rally at least for another ten years; it is such an easy work for him. This is big shame for other competitors, they have no arms against mighty Loeb on this event. Mr.Loeb, you are writting history. Those results are immortal.
VW-they can be more than happy, second place is very deserved, was never in danger, no technical problems whatsoever. This looks very promising. Speaking for Ogier personly: behind his smile I can see some frustration, as he had no chance against Loeb. And all the talks how Loeb is not his opponet-it is rubbish. He definetly wanted to humiliate Loeb on his ''home'' event, but it turned other way around.....And I'm afraid that Loeb will beat the hell out of him also in Sweden....
Sordo-very good, very good. Bear in mind that snow is not his favourite surface. Third place is much more than he and we expected.
Mikko-big disappointment, but at the end his reliability has been paid; fourth place is not bad considering his ''slow motion'' during the whole event.
Novikov and JML: it woud be a miracle, if one of those two would not crash. So they did both....But Novikov was fast.
And two others who impressed me: Crungola and Kremer.

[stefanvv]

οr maybe is the timing/gps/safety another reason? With worst conditions may the things come worst?

You have a point there, so why FIA sacrifice the most important thing - safety?

[Mirek]

οr maybe is the timing/gps/safety another reason? With worst conditions may the things come worst?

It's true that on Wednesday some GPS modules were not working (Loeb, Sordo and some others) so that can play the role too. It's very difficult to localize crashed cars without GPS at night especially if they just fall down to the ravine.

[Mirek]

"Great" work with notional times from SS16. Some crews lost positions without driving the stage. For example Martin Rada lost two...

[PLuto]

Notional times in SS 16 are ready - Rallye Monte Carlo 2013 - Results - Rally-Base (http://rally-base.com/2013/rallye-monte-carlo-2013/?ssId=1490). And we can see really bad work from clerk of the course / stewards. Czech driver Martin Rada lost two positions despite he (and his main rivals) dont go through stage in racing condition...

[PLuto]

Same crap, different year

We dont know the right reason. I am afraid that teams were pushing a lot to cancel the stages...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

The end for Hanninen :(

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BA_2dO7CIAACMCt.jpg:large

[PLuto]

It's true that on Wednesday some GPS modules were not working (Loeb, Sordo and some others) so that can play the role too. It's very difficult to localize crashed cars without GPS at night especially if they just fall down to the ravine.

It is very difficult to localize crashed cars also with working GPS. I dont know how is working actual system, but that one which was used in previous years in WRC was not "perfectly working" too...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

https://o.twimg.com/1/proxy.jpg?t=FQQVBBgpaHR0cHM6Ly90d2l0cGljLmNvbS9zaG 93L2xhcmdlL2J3bTdoZy5qcGcUAhYAEgA&s=CrnRreKy2tKkeZrba-0PSPrObGDv1vQq8UaAJnpnlLE

[rp]

We dont know the right reason. I am afraid that teams were pushing a lot to cancel the stages...

Maybe Citroën wanted to start the celebration earlier :)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

What a poor ending to a great rally !

Really disappointing that crowd control is an issue yet again on the Monte... how many times must this happen before they sort it out ?

But its been a really 'proper' Monte and, at least in terms of driving, a great start to the championship.

Loeb keeps his legendary status on the event and Ogier shows he's the new man to beat.

Only downside for me is the demise of the Fords when it had been going so well with some top stage times.

[stefanvv]

Great Rally, but something is just not right about Monte without night Turini. We still don't know the PS points :confused:

[tolis]

Despite the 2 cancelled stages, it was a nice rally in general. It was a great feeling to follow the rally live during the week (from Tuesday till Saturday). I wish every week was like the last one! :D Surprised and happy to see 122 pages and more than 2400 posts in the forum! Great!
Bring on Sweden!

[PLuto]

In finish 45 crews (of 73 on start).

[tolis]

Some minutes ago... Imagine the snow in the top!

http://sphotos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/424481_10151447262623593_1587002530_n.jpg

[Mirek]

In the end it is very good result for young Sepp Wiegand. Maybe he is not the fastest around but he certainly looks like a very clever driver. He has done quite a few events in S2000, all of them first time and he finished almost all with good results. Let's see how he progresses.

[Rallyper]

I can´t see any PS in this rally. They can´t change PS just like that. It´s not fair.

[oerigh]

I don't even care about the results at this point. Just a huge disappoitment all-around. I sincerely hope that Monte-Carlo isn't on next year's calendar.

[bluuford]

Well, lets wait the comments form those forum members who were actually in the Turini. I just checked the radar data and precipitation information for the rally district.. For the start time of the third Turini.. I must say that the conditions during the first two passes were like a walk on the park. Now the precipitation intensity is approximately 4-5 times more, it comes all down as a rain(even on the Turini I think).. and there is snow down on the road and big ruts already. Imagine now all the snow melting veery quickly on the mountains (due to the rain) and a lot of rain as well. Do yoy remember the flooded stages in Dakar or Portugal this year? It can become very similar rather easy and quickly.

I hope all the spectators can get away safely because the rain continues and might turn even worse during the next few hours.

Guys, belive me, I have wathced the rain radars information for years and for hudreds or thousands of hours and last time with a bit similar view was Portugal 2012. Before that.. not duirng the rally.

[dimviii]

http://imageshack.us/a/img401/2245/img4710b.jpg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=PslO3SVj-bk

[Fast Eddie WRC]

So the real cancel reason is the weather, not too many spectators ???

[PLuto]

So now we have final official reason of the end of rally:

INFORMATION ABOUT SS 16
Due to road blocked before SS 17 and in the impossibility to join the start of SS 18 the Clerk of the Course decided to stop rally at the TC 16C.

[PLuto]

So the real cancel reason is the weather, not too many spectators ???

We have no chance to know the real reason...

[EightGear]

Stages being cancelled is nothing new and happens everywhere. Now it is in a WRC event and suddenly it is unacceptable? Get real people.

[Mirek]

I can´t see any PS in this rally. They can´t change PS just like that. It´s not fair.

There will be no PS points. Official.

[dimviii]

nice video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=pQbcqx0SgI4

[Mirek]

122 pages in this thread as somebody already pointed out. Which was the last rally to create such an interest on this forum? I guess none for last couple of years. Monte Carlo is unique, You might love it, You might hate it. It's up to You but You can't ignore how incredibly popular it is compared to most of others in the calendar. It was most discussed event on this forum even when it was "only" in IRC.

[dimviii]

watch the steering angle
http://i12.servimg.com/u/f12/15/12/63/22/img_7310.jpghttp://i12.servimg.com/u/f12/15/12/63/22/img_7311.jpghttp://i12.servimg.com/u/f12/15/12/63/22/img_7312.jpg

[jolle1982]

congratulation to te french seb and big congratulation to the young german sepp!!! ;-) the first german rally driver since 2005 who catch wrc points in his 10. start in an s2000 car!!!!

[kirungi okwogera]

Stages being cancelled is nothing new and happens everywhere. Now it is in a WRC event and suddenly it is unacceptable? Get real people.
And coming after last year which was marked by far too many driver and spectator deaths, it's the least they can do to err on the side of safety and not on the side of entertaining those of us who are safe at home. Especially given bluuford's assessment of the weather up there now.

[stefanvv]

122 pages in this thread as somebody already pointed out. Which was the last rally to create such an interest on this forum? I guess none for last couple of years. Monte Carlo is unique, You might love it, You might hate it. It's up to You but You can't ignore how incredibly popular it is compared to most of others in the calendar. It was most discussed event on this forum even when it was "only" in IRC.

VW is the tonic :confused:

[driveace]

Well as regards the last two stage cancellations,Peter Scott who was on the Turini today was told by the Police there that the reason for the stage cancellations was that some Spanish spectators who had been drinking had fallen down a hillside,and some were badly injured,and he was also told there were another two incidents as well involving spectators being injured.It's only second hand information,but he believed it to be true

[dimviii]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Co4xtkdOp34

[Rallyper]

122 pages in this thread as somebody already pointed out. Which was the last rally to create such an interest on this forum? I guess none for last couple of years. Monte Carlo is unique, You might love it, You might hate it. It's up to You but You can't ignore how incredibly popular it is compared to most of others in the calendar. It was most discussed event on this forum even when it was "only" in IRC.

That´s just why they can´t spoil the event like this...

[stefanvv]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ma5iXGItJBI

[HarriK]

rallye monté carlo 2013 col de la machine crash sordo - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmV5B0ZR3jE)

Subaru - Crash BERTELLI Monte-Carlo 2013 Saint-Bonnet-le-Froid - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHWSHAx6Ums)

[Allyc85]

In my opinion in this health and safety BS world we live in the organisers should be given credit for at least giving it a go rather than wimping out in the first place, which I bet you would be criticizing them for ;)

Stage cancelations are unusual these days, but nothing new, grow a set and get over it.

[dimviii]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=jZkSiJebaQk#!

[jolle1982]

Day 3+4 Fotos by Christian Riemer

http://www.rallyefreaks.de/images/samgallery/full/monte_3_02_1358632091.jpg

http://www.rallyefreaks.de/images/samgallery/full/monte_3_18_1358632097.jpg

http://www.rallyefreaks.de/images/samgallery/full/monte_3_14_1358632096.jpg

<<< Fotos rally Monte Carlo Day 3+4 >>> (http://www.rallyefreaks.de/index.php?option=com_samgallery&catid=150%3Aday-34&Itemid=2)

[OldF]

Maybe Citroën wanted to start the celebration earlier :)

Maybe they started to run out of champagne later in the evening. ;)

[dimviii]

“It has been a very difficult and special Monte-Carlo, not like a normal tarmac rally at all. It has been very easy to make a mistake or lose time. Yeah I’m happy, especially because we didn’t have to go out on the Turini again!” said Sordo.

[stefanvv]

Almost epic (just like the Rally):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgf4gjStk4E

[rallyfun]

No wonder wrc is where it is, biggest F... up I have seen, people spending lots of money to see 2 stages canceled, shocking

[stefanvv]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Co4xtkdOp34

Novikov's studs look almost shot. Probably they were right to cancel last 2 stages before someone gets hurt

[OldF]

122 pages in this thread as somebody already pointed out. Which was the last rally to create such an interest on this forum? I guess none for last couple of years. Monte Carlo is unique, You might love it, You might hate it. It's up to You but You can't ignore how incredibly popular it is compared to most of others in the calendar. It was most discussed event on this forum even when it was "only" in IRC.

And I can’t recall seeing so many members on-line than during Monte (about 100). :)

[stefanvv]

SS14&15 resume (well probably only 14th)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DW_S4ZqgFvE

[Mirek]

No wonder wrc is where it is, biggest F... up I have seen, people spending lots of money to see 2 stages canceled, shocking

Last WRC season alone there were 9 stages canceled. Last time a stage was canceled in Rallye Monte Carlo was in 2006 which is 7 years a go.

Even in Moto GP or in F1 they shorten races. Even in an ultimate thing like Dakar they canceled two legs...

[OldF]

So now we have final official reason of the end of rally:

INFORMATION ABOUT SS 16
Due to road blocked before SS 17 and in the impossibility to join the start of SS 18 the Clerk of the Course decided to stop rally at the TC 16C.

Could be a valid reason, especially in Monte with narrow roads. I’ve been sitting in a traffic jam in NORF and seen the crews escorted by bike polices past the jam (road wide enough).

[stefanvv]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhHqpHL1dmg

[Rallyper]

Could be a valid reason, especially in Monte with narrow roads. I’ve been sitting in a traffic jam in NORF and seen the crews escorted by bike polices past the jam (road wide enough).

The difference is that organizer in NORF have learned how to handle such things. In the past is not nowadays, not today, not RMC 2013... Big shame a must say once more!

[dimviii]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhHqpHL1dmg
last plan at the end did you noticed how he cornered? :eek:

[stefanvv]

last plan at the end did you noticed how he cornered? :eek:

Who? Loeb? He was amazing, I'm not surprized...

[dimviii]

"Du jamais vu sur le Monte-Carlo" - RTBF Moteurs (http://www.rtbf.be/sport/moteurs/rallye/detail_du-jamais-vu-sur-le-monte-carlo?id=7911041)

[dimviii]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/304949_476342745756493_468962685_n.jpg

[stefanvv]

"Du jamais vu sur le Monte-Carlo" - RTBF Moteurs (http://www.rtbf.be/sport/moteurs/rallye/detail_du-jamais-vu-sur-le-monte-carlo?id=7911041)

I don't how right is the google translation, but
" After two passages, while people are there for six hours, they are soaked and cars pass 30 km / h in front of them, they say it will be nice to have a drink."
Since when Turini has became so boring... :confused:

[OldF]

Overall this year Monte was for me a proper Monte with varying conditions and difficult tyre choices. Feel sorry for Novikov, Juho and JML that they couldn’t finish. Especially Novikov because he was close to podium.

Of course the cancellation of the two last stages was a disappointment because I was waiting for a final attack from some crew.

[bluuford]

The difference is that organizer in NORF have learned how to handle such things. In the past is not nowadays, not today, not RMC 2013... Big shame a must say once more!

Well. At NORF you have the possibility to use tens of alterantive roads for competitor access, ambulance, spectators. In Turini district you have basically three roads. One takes you to the stage, second
road takes you from the stage (and to the north) to the next stage and final road takes you from Monaco to the Col de Turini (highest point). When three people fells to the ravine and they need to be taken away by ambulance, another fells and also needs ambulance then you have already problem on how to get another ambulance to the district where normally only a few people lives and closest hospital is more than hour away with such weather. And helicopters cannot fly eighter.

+ indeed very, very extreeeeem weather.

[dimviii]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/549912_10200488687838908_1237026998_n.jpghttps://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/582782_10200488689558951_2056805102_n.jpg

[bluuford]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/304949_476342745756493_468962685_n.jpg

Looks like proper off in 30 km/h :-P I didnt know that VW is so fragile :-P

[stefanvv]

indeed very, very extreeeeem weather.

But that should be so exciting, isn't it?

[stefanvv]

Looks like proper off in 30 km/h :-P I didnt know that VW is so fragile :-P

30 km/h was the average speed of finished the stage ;)

[dimviii]

Ogier tries to smile? :D
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BBAMGLtCMAAjCqJ.jpg:large

[bluuford]

But that should be so exciting, isn't it?

Well, part of my everyday work is to follow and study extreme events (their parameters, character and impact to nature and human). I can tell you that there is a thin line between excitement and stupidity. This is the line where we must admit that we cannot act against the mother nature and we must find the place to hide ourselves. I am pretty sure that during the third pass that line would have been crossed at some point (or location) and there is no need to risk with hudreths of thousands costing cars and with the health of spectators and competitors. They were already able to spectate two passes anyway.

[EightGear]

Ostberg warned the spectators after the first run that he hoped nobody did anything stupid because the drivers didn't have control over the car... There is a limit to be drawn at some point.

But some people keep crying, maybe they need to open their eyes and think clearly for a moment.

[tolis]

The arrival of the winner!

http://sphotos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/536991_10151238201872057_1553357126_n.jpg

[stefanvv]

Well, part of my everyday work is to follow and study extreme events (their parameters, character and impact to nature and human). I can tell you that there is a thin line between excitement and stupidity. This is the line where we must admit that we cannot act against the mother nature and we must find the place to hide ourselves. I am pretty sure that during the third pass that line would have been crossed at some point (or location) and there is no need to risk with hudreths of thousands costing cars and with the health of spectators and competitors. They were already able to spectate two passes anyway.

You're probably right, I just wonder if the line of stupidity wouldn't be crossed if they go in these conditions with completely unapropriate tyres (super soft, winter wo/studs)

EDIT: My point is - if VW can save the studs for the final stages, why couldn't others do the same :confused:

[Rallyper]

Well. At NORF you have the possibility to use tens of alterantive roads for competitor access, ambulance, spectators. In Turini district you have basically three roads. One takes you to the stage, second
road takes you from the stage (and to the north) to the next stage and final road takes you from Monaco to the Col de Turini (highest point). When three people fells to the ravine and they need to be taken away by ambulance, another fells and also needs ambulance then you have already problem on how to get another ambulance to the district where normally only a few people lives and closest hospital is more than hour away with such weather. And helicopters cannot fly eighter.

+ indeed very, very extreeeeem weather.

So tell me, why do they choose such stages then? Why do FIA want such a dangerous rally in the WRC if we those security problems even from the start? Just tell me.

Proper tyres for every possible weather should be a must i RMC. This time it was stupidity from the beginning.

Now goodnight everyone.

[dimviii]

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[Rallyper]

You're probably right, I just wonder if the line of stupidity wouldn't be crossed if they go in these conditions with completely unapropriate tyres (super soft, winter wo/studs)

EDIT: My point is - if VW can save the studs for the final stages, why couldn't others do the same :confused:

I believe when such circumstances could appear they should allow proper tyres from the very beginning, as well. I think, Bluuford, that the line in this case was crossed many times before the cancellation.

[dimviii]

EDIT: My point is - if VW can save the studs for the final stages, why couldn't others do the same :confused:

You believe that Citroen with Loeb cruising 3 days hadn t got proper tyres?If Loeb with his driving style had such a problem what about the others?